Hurricane Katrina..The Crisis continues...Disastrous damage and flooding

[Shutterbug]

The NHC has shifted the track of the storm approx 150 miles west.

This from the 5pm update:

RECENT REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE UNIT HURRICANE HUNTER
AIRCRAFT INDICATE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS REMAIN NEAR 100 MPH...
WITH HIGHER GUSTS. KATRINA IS A CATEGORY TWO HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON SCALE. SOME STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE
NEXT 24 HOURS...AND KATRINA IS FORECAST TO BECOME A CATEGORY THREE...MAJOR... HURRICANE TODAY AND ON SATURDAY.

And take special note of this:

KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO BE MOVING OVER THE GULF LOOP CURRENT AFTER 36 HOURS...WHICH WHEN COMBINED WITH DECREASING VERTICAL SHEAR...SHOULD ALLOW THE HURRICANE TO REACH CATEGORY FOUR STATUS BEFORE LANDFALL
OCCURS. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SHIPS AND GFDL MODELS...WHICH
BRING KATRINA UP TO 118 KT. THE FSU SUPERENSEMBLE MODEL IS MORE
ROBUST AND BRINGS KATRINA UP TO 129 KT JUST BEFORE LANDFALL.





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[Talking Hands]

Great! Now I have to worry about my FIL in the panhandle. This storm is really a pain!

[kimber79]

Keeping all of those in the path in my thoughts and prayers. Sure hope she doesn't strengthen as much as they are anticipating.

Sorry you have to deal with all these storms........Mother Nature sure is being unkind. :confused3

[gottaluvPluto]

I am soooooo tired of hurricanes! I just have to laugh or I will go insane. However, if I do leave I will be going to Disney.

[SunFloridaDisney]

:grouphug: to all of you in the path of the storm!

[MsDisney23]

:grouphug: Hoping everyone in it's path is safe! They are saying that we should get heavy rains here in S. Jersey on Tues.and Wed. from Katrina.

[Shutterbug]

Another projected path:

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL122005lts.gif

[tekmom]

I have relatives in the Biloxi area....they are not looking forward to this. :guilty:

[Rafiki Rafiki Rafiki]

Great. Headed for us AGAIN.

:umbrella: :umbrella: :umbrella: :umbrella: :umbrella: :umbrella:

[bsnyder]

The latest models are pulling Katrina even farther west, towards New Orleans. Possible Cat 5. Very scary!!!!

[bengalbelle]

The latest models are pulling Katrina even farther west, towards New Orleans. Possible Cat 5. Very scary!!!!
That's what I just heard on a newsbreak in Baton Rouge. Does anyone have more info?

[KarenB]

I was really surprised when I saw the path today. It seemed like she really took a turn and hit part of the keys instead of the Cape Coral (relatives there) area.

[bsnyder]

That's what I just heard on a newsbreak in Baton Rouge. Does anyone have more info?

Check out the discussion forum at www.flhurricane.com

Lots of great info, links and some very knowledgeable mets posting in the forum.

[HappyMommy2]

Of course I don't want to see a hurricane hit anywhere--but please God, NOT Pensacola this time! :(
We have elderly relatives there who lost their entire home to Ivan. They now live a bit further inland, but emotionally another big hurricane strike may just be too much for them.

I am praying for this one to fizzle out and hit somewhere that is not densely populated.

[bsnyder]

The latest models:

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/model/AL122005mlts.gif


and the latest forecast track from the NHC:

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[Shutterbug]

Everyone in the gulf area needs to keep their eye on this one.
Katrina has a mind of her own and not been doing what everyone thinks she will.

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[Feralpeg]

As much as I hate to see those poor folks in the panhandle get hit again, I hope the path doesn't shift west. If a cat 5 were to hit New Orleans, it would be terrible. Since New Orleans is below sealevel, the city would be under water.

[tiggersmom2]

As much as I hate to see those poor folks in the panhandle get hit again, I hope the path doesn't shift west. If a cat 5 were to hit New Orleans, it would be terrible. Since New Orleans is below sealevel, the city would be under water.


I'm with you Feralpeg......it would be a DISASTER of unimaginable proportions if it hit New Orleans. :guilty:

[bengalbelle]

I'm with you Feralpeg......it would be a DISASTER of unimaginable proportions if it hit New Orleans. :guilty:
I know. I don't wish a hurricane (particularly one as devastating as they're saying this one might be) on anyone, but I pray it doesn't hit New Orleans.

[Pugdog007]

Oh joy here we go again :sad2:

[palmtreegirl]

Here's the weather channel map-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/palmtreegirl/map_tropprjpath12_ltst_5nhato_enus_.jpg

[ladycollector]

Not again not again not again not again!!! This one's really scary.

[Tigger&Tink]

Oh I so hope is does not get to a 5...being in ANDREW as a 5 (or more) was SO BAD,,and this one took a real sharpe turn over night and came right over our house again,,,,,this one was/is all water,,,the whole place is flooded,, no electric,,,some places no water,,,,, if you dont have a truck, you are not going anywhere!! God Bless everyone in her path,,,,if its going to be a 5 and ALL that water,,OH MY!!



Tink

[lulu71]

Thanks to all of you concerned about NOLA, we're getting the heck outta here!

[bgirldeb]

NOLA is long overdue for a big hurricane. Let's hope this is not it.

[Luv2Roam]

I wonder where the Weather Channel will send Jim.... He is in Mississippi now. Will he stay, or move on?
This one seems very unpredictable.

[Shutterbug]

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http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg

[Shutterbug]

At 8 Am Edt...1200z...the Eye Of Hurricane Katrina Was Located By
Radar And Reconnaissance Aircraft Near Latitude 24.4 North...
Longitude 84.6 West Or About 430 Miles Southeast Of The Mouth Of
The Mississippi River And About 180 Miles West Of Key West Florida.

Katrina Is Moving Toward The West Near 7 Mph... 11 Km/hr. A
Gradual Turn Toward The West-northwest Is Expected During The Next
24 Hours.

Maximum Sustained Winds Are Near 115 Mph...with Higher Gusts.
Katrina Is A Category Three Hurricane On The Saffir-simpson Scale.
Some Strengthening Is Forecast During The Next 24 Hours.

[skuttle]

*sigh* We're definitely watching this one. :(

[msmouse]

Dear God, this could be the one that New Orleans has been dreading for years. I hope everyone gets out. They need to go now as it will not be an easy task evacuating New Orleans. :guilty:

[ladycollector]

We're all quaking in our boots over this one. After Ivan, and then Dennis, this one looks even WORSE! And our beaches....they're almost gone already.. (Pic in my siggie was taking before Dennis) Sigh.

[Rozzie]

just got back from Wally World and was shocked to still see water and batteries on the shelf. no lines for gas this afternoon. :confused3 yet over in Pcola (where I work) wally world bare and lines for gas. I don't think we are out of the woods yet. I am personally preparing for a direct strike, however DH is hooking up his new toys from best buy.... :rolleyes:

[Davids-Coco]

We have been watching fox news.

My thoughts and prayers are with those who may end up having to be evacuated. I know it is not worth much, but we are thinking about you!

[C.Ann]

Dear God, this could be the one that New Orleans has been dreading for years. I hope everyone gets out. They need to go now as it will not be an easy task evacuating New Orleans. :guilty:
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Last year I watched a documentary on the Weather Channel about what would happen if a large hurricane made landfall in New Orleans.. It would be absolutely catastophic!!!

PLEASE - if you live in that area GET OUT NOW!!!!

Praying for everyone in this hurricanes path.......

[RitaZ.]

OMG! All of you in Katrina's possible path, stay safe and prepare now; evacuate or leave if you have to, now!

My mom's power and phone service were restored about 1 hour ago in Miami. My brother and SIL live in S. Miami, they still don't have power, had some damage to their property and their garage had 3 inches of water, the water has finally receded. They live very close to Coral Gables and said the tree damage there is incredible. Street lights are out (no electricity), people are driving like maniacs not adhering to the 4 stop sign rule. My brother's girlfriend's grandmother had a mango tree fall on her house and water came in the house. A lot of trees have fallen on houses, but the extent of damage to houses won't be known until the trees are removed. All this was done by a category 1, imagine what a 5 would do! :earseek:

Everyone in MS, AL, LA and the FL Panhandle, stay safe.

[MagicKingdom05]

Yep those in New Orleans need to get out asap. From what I have been hearing it isn't when this will hit NO anymore, but what will be left once it hits. Some experts are saying that if this hits where it's heading and since the storm seems to be reforming a stronger eye while moving along in the gulf, they are predicting a possible cat 4 or 5 for New Orleans which would completly wipe New Orleans out and the flooding would be devistating. I really hope they are wrong, but from the looks of things, it doesn't look like they will be. :sad1: :sad1: :sad1: :sad2: :sad2: :sad2: :( :( :( :sad: :sad: :sad:

[LoraJ]

My boyfriend's parents live in NO. Right now they are on their way home driving back from Vegas. I just hope that they stay put where they are in Texas. But I remember how stubborn they were last year and they never evacuated, so I have a feeling they will arrive home tomorrow. :(

[MagicKingdom05]

LoraJ,

They might not beable to get in. They are taking about making all the roads out only so they can evacuate more people. I hope they end up being ok and that this thing turns and goes else where. I don't want to see this thing hit any place at all, but between hitting someplace else and a direct hit to New Orleans, I would take someplace else.

[bengalbelle]

LoraJ,

They might not beable to get in. They are taking about making all the roads out only so they can evacuate more people. I hope they end up being ok and that this thing turns and goes else where. I don't want to see this thing hit any place at all, but between hitting someplace else and a direct hit to New Orleans, I would take someplace else.
Yes, there is contra-flow (all lanes, even inbound are now outbound lanes) on both I-55 and I-10 out of New Orleans. I guess there are ways to get into the city, but it won't be easy. I live about 45 minutes away and the traffic in my very small town is backed up. It sounds like officials have done a good job getting the word out and getting people out of New Orleans.

LoraJ, the other issue his parents will have is getting a hotel room. They reported last night that all hotels in Baton Rouge are full. I'm sure they want to get home to protect some things, but they are much better off staying where they are.

ETA: I haven't heard a report in a few hours, but NO may be under a mandatory evacuation. They may not be able to get into the city.

[MagicKingdom05]

bengalbelle,

Maybe you could give us an update. The information I keep hearing is that this is going to be very very bad if it remains on the course it is and that they are having everybody in New Orleans get out. What are they actually saying possible damage wise might be and are they talking major flooding and devistation or not.

[Kitty 34]

I feel so bad for New Orleans. I sure hope that town takes this storm seriously.:(

[wendy1974]

That's what I just heard on a newsbreak in Baton Rouge. Does anyone have more info?
I'm in Gonzales, Louisiana, just 50 miles northwest of New Orleans and it looks like all of southeast LA. is going to get the brunt of at least a cat. 4 storm. I am just praying that it passes over quickly with minimal damage. I went to Wal-Mart earlier today (I know I'm a glutton for punishment) and you could not move in there. Most of the water was already gone and the shelves of batteries have been stripped. Thanks for all prayers :guilty:

[wendy1974]

I feel so bad for New Orleans. I sure hope that town takes this storm seriously.:(


I'm pretty sure I heard on the news that they were issuing a mandatory evacuation at some point. New Orleans sits about 12 feet below sea level so there is always the threat of the entire city going under water. I was watching the Weather Channel today and they stated that 1.3 million people live in New Orleans, that's alot to evacuate.

[arminnie]

A week ago yesterday I closed on my new home in New Orleans. I have not lived in New Orleans in almost 40 years. I was there for Betsy in '65 - not pretty.

It must be me - I moved to Houston in '78 and got hit by a tornado. Moved to San Francisco in '89 and the earthquake hit.

I am in Little Rock as my dad is having surgery here on Tuesday so I don't have to evacuate. My condo is on the 6th floor - glad I paid extra to be up high.

I had brunch with friends who are N.O. natives last Sunday. They were talking about how they never evacuate. Let's hope for the best.

[bengalbelle]

bengalbelle,

Maybe you could give us an update. The information I keep hearing is that this is going to be very very bad if it remains on the course it is and that they are having everybody in New Orleans get out. What are they actually saying possible damage wise might be and are they talking major flooding and devistation or not.
There really isn't anything new to report. They're expecting her to hit Southeast La. as at least a category 4 storm. I can't find info on whether New Orleans is under a mandatory evacuation, but several parishes have issued mandatory and voluntary evacuations.
I-10 out of New Orleans into Baton Rouge isn't as crowded as I would expect, but I'm sure it will become more crowded as the night goes on. I'm sure some people in NO will ride out the storm but most are taking it very seriously.
We live west of NO and the streets are crowded here and water and batteries are flying off the shelves.

As far as the devastation of New Orleans, it could be catastrophic. If you've lived here you've likely heard the stories about what will happen to New Orleans if a major hurricane were to hit it directly. New Orleans is below sea level so flooding is likely. The good news is they're saying she is a fast moving storm so they don't expect extended periods of heavy rain, which would be the major concern for New Orleans. They've recently installed pumping systems (which I have absolutely no knowledge about) so I'm praying it will help with major flooding. Please everyone pray/think good thoughts for the people directly in the path of this storm, and those who are trying to find a safe place to wait it out.

[bengalbelle]

A week ago yesterday I closed on my new home in New Orleans. I have not lived in New Orleans in almost 40 years. I was there for Betsy in '65 - not pretty.
They just said they expect it to be bigger than Andrew and possibly stronger than Betsy.

I'm glad you are safe :goodvibes

[MagicKingdom05]

bengalbelle,

Thanks for the update and stay safe. I swear that after seeing this, I will never complain about a Chicago area snow storm again. With snow you can dig out and get around, but you can't when you have 10+ feet of water flooding you city.

[Virgo10]

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Last year I watched a documentary on the Weather Channel about what would happen if a large hurricane made landfall in New Orleans.. It would be absolutely catastophic!!!

PLEASE - if you live in that area GET OUT NOW!!!!

Praying for everyone in this hurricanes path.......

OMG, I saw that too. I said to my DH, we've never been to New Orleans and, if this hits directly, we probably never will.

Many, many prayers to all of you who may be in the path of this storm.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I feel so bad for New Orleans. I sure hope that town takes this storm seriously.:(

Miami didn't and it was a 1 and several people lost there loves--I hope NOLA LISTENS and gets out!

Selfish to say--we had a house there--such a pretty house...so said to think it could be gone. :(

[arminnie]

I honestly am not at all worried about my property - it's just stuff - but I am worried about my friends - especially one who is almost 80 and on oxygen.

Lots of prayers for the city and it's residents.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I honestly am not at all worried about my property - it's just stuff - but I am worried about my friends - especially one who is almost 80 and on oxygen.

Lots of prayers for the city and it's residents.

Didn't mean to imply I wasn't caring of human lives.

I'm aware stuff is just stuff. We no longer own this house. It is still sad--b/c all of New Orleans will be that way. Means I'm no less caring and I have 3 hurricanes on record and my grandmother had to move away from the panhandle b/c she's elderly, disabled, and alone after Ivan (my dad had moved her just in time before Dennis).

Geesh.

[peachgirl]

I heard on the news that it would take 72 hours to evacuate 70% to 80% of the people living in NO....that's not a lot of time and that sure leaves an awful lot of people riding it out!

I have family that lives in Morgan City.:( Prayers to everyone in this storm's path.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

72 HOURS??

Holy cow!

I just can't picture it. I remember fall rains absolutely flooding the roads and such when I lived there. i just cannot picture what this will due.

[arminnie]

Didn't mean to imply I wasn't caring of human lives.

I'm aware stuff is just stuff. We no longer own this house. It is still sad--b/c all of New Orleans will be that way. Means I'm no less caring and I have 3 hurricanes on record and my grandmother had to move away from the panhandle b/c she's elderly, disabled, and alone after Ivan (my dad had moved her just in time before Dennis).



Sorry I wasn't referring to you. I just added another post as I was afraid that I had sounded like I was more worried about my property. I don't even think I'd read your post when I added mine. I've been through Betsy, a near miss in Houston, and more warnings that I can count. I agree with you it's awful. Please don't think I was criticizing you at all.

Here's more about Betsy from an article in USA today.
Answers: Hurricane Betsy hit Florida, smashed New Orleans in 1965
By Jack Williams, USATODAY.com
Q: In late August or the first part of September 1965 a hurricane came ashore and did considerable damage to New Orleans. Please tell me the name of this hurricane and other details you may have on it. Thank you.
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A: The hurricane you are thinking of was Betsy, which not only hit New Orleans with winds of at least 125 mph, but also flooded large parts of the city.

All of this happened after Betsy did considerable damage in the Bahamas and southern Florida, including the Keys.

When all of the damage in the USA was totaled, it came to more than $1 billion in 1965 dollars, making Betsy the USA's first billion dollar hurricane. If you factor in inflation and put Betsy's cost into Year 2000 dollars, it cost $8.4 billion, which ties it for third in the list of the nation's most expensive hurricanes. Betsy is tied with Agnes, which caused major flooding in the Northeast in 1972, and behind only Hugo in 1989 and Andrew in 1992 in cost.

Betsy was blamed for 75 deaths in the USA, which ranks it 18th among the deadliest U.S. storms from 1900 through at least September 2003. The only storm to kill more people in the USA since 1965 was Camille, with 256 deaths in 1969.

Camille, by the way, came close to hitting New Orleans, but instead, the city felt the fringes of Camille's weather side when its eye came ashore about 60 miles to the east in Mississippi.

In addition to the people it killed and the damage it did, Betsy is famous for doing a loop the loop when it was about 350 miles east of Daytona Beach, Fla. and seemed to be on its way to hit the Carolinas.

Instead, it turned back to toward the southwest, passing over the Bahamas where winds on Great Abaco Island reached 147 mph. Soon after the eye moved over Nassau, the biggest city in the Bahamas, Betsy stalled for about three hours, allowing its winds to pound the city.

On Sept. 7 Betsy continued moving toward the southwest to pass over Key Largo at the eastern end of the Florida Keys, and then continued west along the Keys.

As Betsy continued across the Gulf of Mexico and turned toward the northwest, it grew into a category 4 storm with winds up to 155 mph.

As the hurricane moved ashore south of New Orleans it destroyed almost every building in Grand Isle, where the Coast Guard station reported gusts up to 160 mph.

Winds up to 125 mph were measured in New Orleans.

Betsy drove storm surge into Lake Pontchartrain, which is just north of the city and is connected to the Gulf of Mexico, pushing water over levees around the lake. Flood water reaches the eves of houses in some places in the city.

A U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Web site notes that "Betsy prompted Congress to authorize a ring of levees 16 feet high around the city — a project the Corps of Engineers is completing today. This level of protection was based on the science of storm prediction as it existed in the 1960s. The question remains, however, whether this level of protection would be sufficient to protect the city from a category 4 or 5 hurricane today — or even a category 3 storm that lingered over the city."

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Sorry I wasn't referring to you. I just added another post as I was afraid that I had sounded like I was more worried about my property. I don't even think I'd read your post when I added mine. I've been through Betsy, a near miss in Houston, and more warnings that I can count. I agree with you it's awful. Please don't think I was criticizing you at all.


Sorry--got a tad defensive and your host happened to be after mine.

My area where I lived is in voluntary evacuation but it is being strongly suggested of course (don't know when they switch it to mandatory--it is in a zone for contraflow).

Our home was one of a kind in NOLA---all that work potentially down the tubes--and all that history in NOLA.

Just went and looked at a local website there--reading about everything near brought tears to my eyes. But didn't want hubby to think I was weird since we aren't in the hurricane zone this time.


:( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Do we have any DISers from NOLA?

[Lisa loves Pooh]

arminnie--how long after that was NOLA functioning, do you know? (not rebuilt--but drained/passable streets/businesses reopening/schools reopened--that sort of thing?)

[LoraJ]

Thankfully, my boyfriend's parents are staying in Texas another day. While I know they are safe, I worry about their home. I know if they were evacuated, they would have been able to take along their photos, documents, etc, but they never had the chance to do that. :(

I really hope everyone gets out safely.

[arminnie]

arminnie--how long after that was NOLA functioning, do you know? (not rebuilt--but drained/passable streets/businesses reopening/schools reopened--that sort of thing?)

It was pretty amazing how quickly things came back. Less than two weeks. I know it was the week of orientation at college (where I was) and classes started up the next week on schedule.

We had electricity back on campus in a few days. I was in a high rise dorm but was on the second floor. We always had flooding on campus when it rained so we were kind of used to that part.

That was the only year I lived in an air-conditioned dorm so it wasn't that unusual not to have a/c when the electricity went out. I felt sorry for the freshmen though. Can you imagine going off to college and getting caught in a hurrican before classes even started?

I knew Betsy was bad, but until I found that article that I posted I didn't know how it ranked against the other hurricanes.

New Orleans is such a fabulous city with such a great cultural heritage. I remember seeing hurricane damage around the city for years afterwards. It's been 40 years and I was only 19 at the time (good thing I haven't been lying about my age on the boards or I'd be outed) so my memory could be a little fuzzy on some things.

[Shutterbug]

Most recent maps and imgaes

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL122005lts.gif


http://i.flhurricane.com/images/2005/katrina9.jpg

[DopeyRN]

After Betsy, the low lying areas outside of New Orleans were the worst hit. The city itself had your usual downed trees and power lines, some flooding,etc. Since then, a major levee system has been built. However, this storm, and the path it is on right now, could be the "big one". That "big one" will break the levees, put 18-24 feet of standing water in the city, which is a bowl. OUr pumping stations will be underwater, therefore nobody knows how the water will be pumped out of the city. There will be no structures salvageable, etc etc.

The latest coordinates had the thing jog to the north. Hopefully this will be the beginning of the turn and if this happens, we will be to the west of it, and we will be fine.

Katrina dumped 18-20 inches of water in Fla. Believe it or not, every few years N.O. will get that from a thunderstorm, the city will flood, homes will get water, but they pump this out. The water in the "big one" could stay in the city for weeks, possibly a couple of months.

I cannot evacuate with my family as I am forced to work. My oldest son will be downtown New Orleans, working security right on the Miss. river. Should be interesting.

[Shutterbug]

These are excerpts from the 7pm advisory from the National Hurricane Center:


...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA BEGINS TO MOVE TOWARD THE
WEST-NORTHWEST...

A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF COAST FROM
INTRACOASTAL CITY TO THE ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER.

A HURRICANE WARNING WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
NORTHERN GULF COAST LATER TONIGHT. INTERESTS IN THIS AREA SHOULD
MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KATRINA.


MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 115 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.
KATRINA IS A CATEGORY THREE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSON
SCALE. STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS...AND
KATRINA COULD BECOME A CATEGORY FOUR HURRICANE LATER TONIGHT OR
SUNDAY.


HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES FROM THE
CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 160
MILES. NOAA BUOY 42003 LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE CENTER RECENTLY
REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 54 MPH WITH A GUST TO 64 MPH AND
25-FOOT WAVES.

DATA FROM BUOYS INDICATE THAT 12-FOOT WAVES ARE ALREADY APPROACHING
PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN GULF COAST. STORM SURGE FLOODING ALONG THE
SOUTHWESTERN COAST OF FLORIDA SHOULD SUBSIDE TONIGHT.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I cannot evacuate with my family as I am forced to work. My oldest son will be downtown New Orleans, working security right on the Miss. river. Should be interesting.


on the river?
:earseek:

oy! Hope you guys have a safe place to hang out.

(We lived in Algiers Point--my mom's favorite restaurant is in that neighborhood).

[Kitty 34]

I wonder what they do about the cruise ships that go out of NOLA like the one we were on this past April.

[Shutterbug]

I wonder what they do about the cruise ships that go out of NOLA like the one we were on this past April.

I know someone that was on a cruise last year during one of the hurricanes.
She said that had to stay at sea for a couple of days until it was safe to port.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wonder what they do about the cruise ships that go out of NOLA like the one we were on this past April.

I would imagine that as with Port Canaveral for Frances and Jeanne--the port gets closed---and all vessels that they wish to save go out to sea (But before the port closes). They guess which way to send the ship. ships that were to head back for tomorrow--I would imagine...will be getting an extension if the port is closed--or hopping in quickly to dump off passengers and then leaving just as quickly.

The best place for a ship is actually out to sea than to be tied up at the dock. (best if the sea they are in is well away from the storm center of course).

[Pugdog007]

I wonder what they do about the cruise ships that go out of NOLA like the one we were on this past April.

They'll likely cancel unless they can move to a new port quickly.

[DopeyRN]

Not ON the river, LOL, but his shopping center hangs over the river. I called him a little while ago, and asked him the same question I asked myself...is your job worth the risk? We have both decided yes.

Wherever the cruise ships are, I imagine they will stay there, certainly away from here.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not ON the river, LOL, but his shopping center hangs over the river. I called him a little while ago, and asked him the same question I asked myself...is your job worth the risk? We have both decided yes.

Wherever the cruise ships are, I imagine they will stay there, certainly away from here.

Oh--is he along the riverwalk? What are his duties--I would assume for looting purposes during and after the storm? (guarding against--not helping :teeth: ).

I had visions of him standing guard making sure people didn't cross the GNO bridge. :banana: .

[Lisa loves Pooh]

About the saddest thing I have ever heard regarding an evacuation:

Making matters worse, at least 100,000 people in the city lack the transportation to get out of town. Nagin said the Superdome might be used as a shelter of last resort for people who have no cars, with city bus pick-up points around New Orleans.

"I know they're saying `Get out of town,' but I don't have any way to get out," said Hattie Johns, 74. "If you don't have no money, you can't go."
http://ap.wwltv.com/dynamic/stories/T/TROPICAL_WEATHER?SITE=WWL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=USHEADS.html&CTIME=2005-08-27-18-59-09

[arminnie]

I can't believe how quickly things change. I just left New Orleans on Wed - three days ago and all was normal.

I had made up my mind that if I was in N.O. when a hurrican was threatening that I would leave.

I truly am praying for those of you that are still there and those of you that have to work are really appreciated.

[PolyAddict]

We live right outside of N.O, LA. :rolleyes1

Haven't evacuated yet. :earseek:

Very stubborn DH. :badpc: :badpc: :badpc:

Prayers to all my LA dis'ers.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Hey Polyaddict--what's his excuse for being stubborn???

I hope he let's you get out of dodge soon!

[kbkids]

just got back from Wally World and was shocked to still see water and batteries on the shelf. no lines for gas this afternoon. :confused3 yet over in Pcola (where I work) wally world bare and lines for gas. I don't think we are out of the woods yet. I am personally preparing for a direct strike, however DH is hooking up his new toys from best buy.... :rolleyes:

Oh - don't come to my neck of the woods though. :) I gassed up yesterday - thank goodness - all of the stations around here are now empty and closed. You couldn't find one with gas last night.

[PolyAddict]

Hey Polyaddict--what's his excuse for being stubborn???

I hope he let's you get out of dodge soon!

He is a wait and see kinda guy. Have to admit (fingers crossed) he has never made any decisions that have put us in harm's way. Not that it is all his choice but he tends to talk sense into my need to freak out!!!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

He is a wait and see kinda guy. Have to admit (fingers crossed) he has never made any decisions that have put us in harm's way. Not that it is all his choice but he tends to talk sense into my need to freak out!!!


As I posted on the evacuation thread--apparently evacs are sometimes less congested in the wee hours of the morning--you can always just load up the car...and be ready to go at a moments notice.

I had a friend who left (and got nowhere due to traffic) and came back--had a lovely bbq dinner with her family--left the van all packed up and left early the next morning. Smooth sailing to her evacuation destination.

[PolyAddict]

As I posted on the evacuation thread--apparently evacs are sometimes less congested in the wee hours of the morning--you can always just load up the car...and be ready to go at a moments notice.

I had a friend who left (and got nowhere due to traffic) and came back--had a lovely bbq dinner with her family--left the van all packed up and left early the next morning. Smooth sailing to her evacuation destination.

This is what we are considering. My DH's nightmare is being stuck in a car, not going to DW, with 1 queen and 3 princesses!!! :grouphug:

[kbkids]

This is what we are considering. My DH's nightmare is being stuck in a car, not going to DW, with 1 queen and 3 princesses!!! :grouphug:

When we evacuated for Ivan, we did this. We left VERY early in the morning - had friends who left just a couple of hours after us. We were going to the same place - they ended up arriving about 10 hours after us.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I wonder what they do about the cruise ships that go out of NOLA like the one we were on this past April.


Here is what carnival is doing with their ship:

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl082705cruise.b71c91e2.html

Carnival cruise ship to dock in Galveston instead of New Orleans

08:52 PM CDT on Saturday, August 27, 2005


WWLTV.com



Because of the projected path of Hurricane Katrina, the New Orleans-based cruise ship Carnival Conquest will stop at the port in Galveston, Texas, instead of New Orleans on Sunday, August 28, according to a spokesperson for Carnival.


The cruise ship will remain docked in Galveston overnight while those onboard can make arrangements to return home.

[stevenpensacola]

We just got back from an afternoon on Penacola Beach. Waves were pretty big, but not as large as you'd think.

Drove around the beach before we left...very depressing...it's been almost a year since Ivan...some areas still look like it was yesterday.

I surely don't want this thing to come here, but if it hits the Lousiana just right, New Orleans could be in big trouble. All of NO is below see level...it sits between the Miss River and Lake Ponchartrain. Think of New Orleans as a saucer sitting in a pan of water, with the water up to the rim of the saucer. All water in New Orleans has to be pumped out.

[MoniqueU]

They are still partying it up down on Bourbon St.
http://www.nola.com/bourbocam/classic/ :confused3 :confused3 :confused3
No ones boarding up windows or anything. I sure hope they start soon.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Local Fox just showed Live shot of I-10--gridlock in one direction...and no contraflow.

What's up with that?

[ash&abby'smom]

We live right outside of N.O, LA. :rolleyes1

Haven't evacuated yet. :earseek:

Very stubborn DH. :badpc: :badpc: :badpc:

Prayers to all my LA dis'ers.


Hey PolyAddict,

We're right north of NO in Hammond. Where r u? My husband says we're not boarding up, just going to ride it out. I went to town earlier to gas up and try to run to the store, I turned around and came home. Will try again in the am. The traffic is outrageous with the contraflow, it has really affected traffic. Hope ya'll keep safe.

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

That's not a good sign at all. Why aren't they opening up all the lanes to go out. I mean who in there right mind would be comming into this direction with this storm approacing. The only thing I can think of is that they know that this is going to be bad and are trying to keep that lane open for emergency vans and stuff.

[ash&abby'smom]

Local Fox just showed Live shot of I-10--gridlock in one direction...and no contraflow.

What's up with that?

They started contraflow right before 4:00 today. All traffic will be going in one direction. Alot of people are complaining about it not working quite like they thought it would.

[Shutterbug]

Heres a map showing all the different models being used by the meteorologists.


http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/model/AL122005mlts.gif

[CrazedDisFan]

Can someone explain contraflow? I am not sure what this is. Thanks!

I have a cousin and her 18 year old daughter whom live in Jefferson Parish and are 'riding it out' at her work, an extended health care facility.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

They started contraflow right before 4:00 today. All traffic will be going in one direction. Alot of people are complaining about it not working quite like they thought it would.

It was a LIVE shot at 10:15pm.

[MagicKingdom05]

Shutterbug,

I hope to heck that it either follows the yellow, orange, tan or green paths and not the blue. Not that I want it to hit any place, but atleast the devistation might not be as bad.

[Shutterbug]

Hey PolyAddict,

We're right north of NO in Hammond. Where r u? My husband says we're not boarding up, just going to ride it out. I went to town earlier to gas up and try to run to the store, I turned around and came home. Will try again in the am. The traffic is outrageous with the contraflow, it has really affected traffic. Hope ya'll keep safe.

Ride out a Cat 4 possibly Cat 5?
I would get an interior room ready for you to take refuge in.
Stay safe!!!!!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa loves Pooh,

That's not a good sign at all. Why aren't they opening up all the lanes to go out. I mean who in there right mind would be comming into this direction with this storm approacing. The only thing I can think of is that they know that this is going to be bad and are trying to keep that lane open for emergency vans and stuff.

It could be a mid-city shot or something..but still--it seemed weird with the contraflow news--that is the shot that gets shown and it isn't what is being posted on the local news sights over there.

It was the local orlando station showing this live feed of I-10. They said NOLA--so I must assume..if they were accurate and not generalizing--that it was downtown.

[MagicKingdom05]

CrazedDisFan,

Counterflow is when they turn all the lanes going into the same dirrection. This is usually done when they want to get people out of an area asap.

[peachgirl]

It could be a mid-city shot or something..but still--it seemed weird with the contraflow news--that is the shot that gets shown and it isn't what is being posted on the local news sights over there.

It was the local orlando station showing this live feed of I-10. They said NOLA--so I must assume..if they were accurate and not generalizing--that it was downtown.

I saw the same thing on CNN about the same time. They said all lanes were leading out of NOLA, but there was no traffic at all on one side while the other was bumper to bumper...kind of confusing to me!

[CrazedDisFan]

Thank you, Jason, for the explaination. :) My hopes and prayers are with all of you in the path. :grouphug:

[Shutterbug]

Shutterbug,

I hope to heck that it either follows the yellow, orange, tan or green paths and not the blue. Not that I want it to hit any place, but atleast the devistation might not be as bad.


With this one though Katrina has not done anything she was supposed to do.
Thats why they are giving it a large cone of error.

Everyone in the white shaded area needs to watch because they could come under the gun of Katrina.
See map below:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT12/refresh/AL1205W_sm2+gif/204748W_sm.gif

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I saw the same thing on CNN about the same time. They said all lanes were leading out of NOLA, but there was no traffic at all on one side while the other was bumper to bumper...kind of confusing to me!


No--there was light traffic in the other lane--very obviously regular people--not emergency vehicles or anything. Kind of what I-95 looks like I suppose during an evacuation around these parts.

[MagicKingdom05]

Shutterbug,

I've noticed that. I have a really bad felling that this one is going to go into the record books as one of the worst hurricane hits of all time.

[ash&abby'smom]

It was a LIVE shot at 10:15pm.


I saw the same shot as you did. I couldn't read the sign to tell where the shot is coming from, but contraflow has definately been started. I'm curious where this shot is coming from.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

On a lighter note--maybe it will do a Dennis and go down a couple of categories (didn't Dennis go from a 4 to a 2 before landfall?).

And looking at an explanation of the geography of NOLA---and I wonder...who in their right mind thought to build a city in a bowl???

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I saw the same shot as you did. I couldn't read the sign to tell where the shot is coming from, but contraflow has definately been started. I'm curious where this shot is coming from.

It was fox news--it could have been I-10 in gulfport LOL!

It was NOLA--so I'm thinking it had to have been city center--you know..midway through. I didn't see any landmarks--but I almost want to say in the 'hood of the superdome if I had to pick a spot. But it has been 13 years. So I know nuttin'!

[jlbower79]

Another projected path:

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL122005lts.gif

I live where the "e" is on Baton Rouge... I've started packing some stuff up in my apartment, my dogs and I are going to go stay with my mom tomorrow, still debating if I'm going to bring my DH or not... should I or shouldn't I?

I've never been in a hurricane more then a cat 2... so a cat 5 is really scarey.

Alittle worried. After tomorrow I'll see you guys probably on Tuesday...
Jaime :umbrella:

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

I agree. Building it like that was a bad idea. They have added pumping systems to pump out flood water, but if this does what it's suppose to, then there will be no place to pump the water.

[Boston Tea Party]

And looking at an explanation of the geography of NOLA---and I wonder...who in their right mind thought to build a city in a bowl???

The French? :confused3

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I live where the "e" is on Baton Rouge... I've started packing some stuff up in my apartment, my dogs and I are going to go stay with my mom tomorrow, still debating if I'm going to bring my DH or not... should I or shouldn't I?

5 is catastrophic--anyway you can bring hubby kicking and screaming? Bound him and throw him in the backseat with the dogs--they can lick him while you drive.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The French? :confused3

ooh la la--a swamp!

[MagicKingdom05]

jlbower79,

Be careful and drive saftely. No reason to be in a hurry and get into a bad accident trying to prevent yourself from being hurt in the storm.

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Not to make fun of the possible devistation, but if they wanted a swamp, if this hits NO head on they will have nothing but one large swamp.

[Shutterbug]

On a lighter note--maybe it will do a Dennis and go down a couple of categories (didn't Dennis go from a 4 to a 2 before landfall?).

And looking at an explanation of the geography of NOLA---and I wonder...who in their right mind thought to build a city in a bowl???

Yes Dennis did weaken some but also Dennis was moving fast..I think it was around 15-20 mph. So areas were not under those conditions for a long time.
As of 7pm Katrina's was plodding along at 7 mph. I can ride my bicycle faster than that! So if it keeps that speed, the areas hit will have to endure those conditions for a long time.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Not to make fun of the possible devistation, but if they wanted a swamp, if this hits NO head on they will have nothing but one large swamp.

Not to make fun of it either...

but sometimes--there is humor.


Katrina is being a brat---she needs to go to the naughty corner. Antartica looks good!

[bengalbelle]

Local Fox just showed Live shot of I-10--gridlock in one direction...and no contraflow.

What's up with that?
There is contraflow. They showed it on our local news at 6pm and it was working well. One problem they were reporting is people were ending up in a lane they didn't want to be in and couldn't get where they really needed to be without cutting through the median. The outbound lanes were heavy but moving fast, the inbound lanes only had a few cars on them. This is only the second time (that I can recall, other time was Ivan) it's been used so I'm sure there is some confusion.

Is it possible they were showing I-10 in Baton Rouge or between NO and BR?

[SplshMtn99]

Stay safe everyone!!

I'm watching this one from MA for DH who is away on business. He's supposed to be heading to NO on business (again) in about 2 wks. Told him by email that he might not be going.

[PolyAddict]

Hey PolyAddict,

We're right north of NO in Hammond. Where r u? My husband says we're not boarding up, just going to ride it out. I went to town earlier to gas up and try to run to the store, I turned around and came home. Will try again in the am. The traffic is outrageous with the contraflow, it has really affected traffic. Hope ya'll keep safe.

Hey I am in Metairie. I am hoping to get out around 5 am. Hope your DH changes his mind. Good Luck.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

There is contraflow. They showed it on our local news at 6pm and it was working well. One problem they were reporting is people were ending up in a lane they didn't want to be in and couldn't get where they really needed to be without cutting through the median. The outbound lanes were heavy but moving fast, the inbound lanes only had a few cars on them. This is only the second time (that I can recall, other time was Ivan) it's been used so I'm sure there is some confusion.

Is it possible they were showing I-10 in Baton Rouge or between NO and BR?

:confused3

It was FOX--as I said--could have been ANYWHERE....such bozos. Kind of like when they show footage of my town--but then say it is melbourne--well we are melbourne area, but melbourne we are not.

But clearly no contraflow---now onto some real newscast, we will see if they can show proper footage!

[Shutterbug]

There is contraflow. They showed it on our local news at 6pm and it was working well. One problem they were reporting is people were ending up in a lane they didn't want to be in and couldn't get where they really needed to be without cutting through the median. The outbound lanes were heavy but moving fast, the inbound lanes only had a few cars on them. This is only the second time (that I can recall, other time was Ivan) it's been used so I'm sure there is some confusion.

Is it possible they were showing I-10 in Baton Rouge or between NO and BR?

Yes I was looking at a NOLA tv news website. They had evacuation maps and were telling people to plan before leaving and pick a route and stick with it

[MagicKingdom05]

I bet you they are show I-10 father up and that's why it doesn't look like it's working, but still you should see cars going the same direction.

[Shutterbug]

video feed from WLTV in NO

http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_wwltv&props=livenoad

[bengalbelle]

Ride out a Cat 4 possibly Cat 5?
I would get an interior room ready for you to take refuge in.
Stay safe!!!!!
She and I are further inland and as things stand now, we'll be toward the outer edges of the storm. We'll be riding it out here too unless something drastic happens.

[MagicKingdom05]

Well we could be seeing history in the making with this and obivously not in a good way if this thing keeps building up stength.

[bengalbelle]

I bet you they are show I-10 father up and that's why it doesn't look like it's working, but still you should see cars going the same direction.
Our local station is about to have a segment on how the contraflow is working. I'll let ya'll know!

[Shutterbug]

She and I are further inland and as things stand now, we'll be toward the outer edges of the storm. We'll be riding it out here too unless something drastic happens.


How far inland?

[MagicKingdom05]

I'm glad I decided against going to New Orleans this week on vacation.

[ladycollector]

On a lighter note--maybe it will do a Dennis and go down a couple of categories (didn't Dennis go from a 4 to a 2 before landfall?).

No, Dennis was a category 3 at landfall.

I live in the panhandle and I am so frustrated with what to do. The projected paths during Ivan and Dennis were always pointed directly at us, so there was no choice "to leave or not to leave." With this one, the projected path doesn't have us right in the middle of it, but it could just as easily strengthen to category 5, turn, and BAM.

I'm not really sure what to do. Right now I'm planning on seeing how things look tommorow, and then I guess we'll make a decision. Very stressful. I don't know if I can handle much more of this this year. It really takes a toll.

[ash&abby'smom]

How far inland?

We are about 45 min. north of NO.

[Shutterbug]

She and I are further inland and as things stand now, we'll be toward the outer edges of the storm. We'll be riding it out here too unless something drastic happens.

From this map it will be a Cat 4 well into land:

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL122005lts.gif

[ash&abby'smom]

[QUOTE=Lisa loves Pooh]On a lighter note--maybe it will do a Dennis and go down a couple of categories (didn't Dennis go from a 4 to a 2 before landfall?).QUOTE]

No, Dennis was a category 3 at landfall.

I live in the panhandle and I am so frustrated with what to do. The projected paths during Ivan and Dennis were always pointed directly at us, so there was no choice "to leave or not to leave." With this one, the projected path doesn't have us right in the middle of it, but it could just as easily strengthen to category 5, turn, and BAM.

I'm not really sure what to do. Right now I'm planning on seeing how things look tommorow, and then I guess we'll make a decision. Very stressful. I don't know if I can handle much more of this this year. It really takes a toll.

I don't want it to come to NO, but you guys have definately had enough. Too bad is can't just go away.

[Shutterbug]

This from HurricaneTrack.com

These guys track storms and place remotely operated equipment.


UPDATED: 10:10pm EDT, August 27, 2005
IF YOU ARE IN NEW ORLEANS OR SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA- IT IS TIME TO LEAVE

I wanted to post a special update for those of you who live or know people who live in New Orleans and surrounding areas. I know it is all over the media, but I want to add my thoughts to this. It is time to leave. Hurricane Katrina has the potential of being an historic hurricane. The data I am looking at suggests that New Orleans and indeed much of southeast Louisiana could be devastated by storm surge as Katrina comes ashore. We are not talking about "let's wait and see in the morning". This is serious- perhaps the most serious in 30 years or more. You need to leave and leave now. My team and I will head in to western Mississippi to set up REMOTELY operated instruments and cameras- and then we'll leave for higher ground too. This is a frightening situation and people need to be scared as such. Do not panic- that won't help- but do leave as soon as possible by following the plans set in to motion by the local emergency management agency. I will have another update here in about an hour.

[bengalbelle]

Lisa, I thought they might show gridlock on our news but they didn't. The live shot we saw showed the contraflow and I'd estimate the cars traveling 55+ mph. I would guess most NO residents are heading WNW on I-10 so there is going to be really heavy traffic.

Wanna hear the bad news? They said "most" people have not evacuated yet and tomorrow is supposed to be much worse. I guess people are trying to see if it turns.

[Shutterbug]

The President has already declared a state of emergency, allowing FEMA to already start its work.

[MagicKingdom05]

bengalbelle,

That's probably true, but when it doesn't there is going to be alot of people scrambing around to get out of NO and it won't be pretty.

[ash&abby'smom]

I thought this was funny I would share:

My FIL said: if you see Jim Cantore (weather channel) show up by your house/town, you better leave, it's gonna be bad. I thought that was kinda funny.

[MagicKingdom05]

The sad thing will be that someone will not leave, they will be killed and there relatives will sue the state for not doing more early enough.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa, I thought they might show gridlock on our news but they didn't. The live shot we saw showed the contraflow and I'd estimate the cars traveling 55+ mph. I would guess most NO residents are heading WNW on I-10 so there is going to be really heavy traffic.

Wanna hear the bad news? They said "most" people have not evacuated yet and tomorrow is supposed to be much worse. I guess people are trying to see if it turns.

Miami didn't take it seriously and got burned with unnecessary deaths.

Katrina is a brat--people are going to be stuck evacuating during the hurricane!

Bad news.

However--if I was living there...not sure what we would have done b/c step father was an idiot--but we had gone through Hugo before living in NOLA--so we probably would have closed the shutters boarded the sides and skedaddled.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The sad thing will be that someone will not leave, they will be killed and there relatives will sue the state for not doing more early enough.


You never win a court case for being an idiot.

In the end--it is still a personal choice in most places (with a stern give us some DNA to ID you later comments from authorities).

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

This morning when they said people should leave, if I was there, that would have been the time I started packing up and got out of town.

I agree that it is a personal choice, but that doesn't stop people from blaming others for what happened.

[Shutterbug]

I thought this was funny I would share:

My FIL said: if you see Jim Cantore (weather channel) show up by your house/town, you better leave, it's gonna be bad. I thought that was kinda funny.

Yes this quote from Monty Python and the Holy Grail comes to mind:

Runnnnnn awayyyyy Runnnn awayyyyyyyy

[bengalbelle]

From this map it will be a Cat 4 well into land:

http://www.skeetobiteweather.com/archive/forecast/AL122005lts.gif
We're WNW of New Orleans. On your map we're located under the "t" in Baton, directly on the orange line.

Baton Rouge is expected to only get sustained winds of 40 mph with hurricane strength gusts. The biggest problem in BR will be flooding.

Our parish is east of BR and on the borderline of receiving some of the more damaging stuff.

[ash&abby'smom]

Miami didn't take it seriously and got burned with unnecessary deaths.

Katrina is a brat--people are going to be stuck evacuating during the hurricane!

Bad news.

However--if I was living there...not sure what we would have done b/c step father was an idiot--but we had gone through Hugo before living in NOLA--so we probably would have closed the shutters boarded the sides and skedaddled.


Contraflow will be shut down 6 hours before the storm is to hit, so I believe if you didn't get out before, then you aren't leaving. This gives State police time to get to shelters.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

The President has already declared a state of emergency, allowing FEMA to already start its work.


That's good.

They don't really start anything--they just get the manpower ready to come down....and people can start filing immediately when they can assess damage.

They set up a tent in a parking lot here--but then had to take it down for the next hurricane. They decided to rent building space afterwards.

[bengalbelle]

They just showed I-10 in Baton Rouge at the 10/12 "merge". Traffic was moving pretty smoothly there, no contraflow. They said traffic was moving steadily at about 40 mph.

[binny]

My prayers are with you all. Please stay safe and leave if you need to. Please check in as soon as you can so we know youre all ok!

[Shutterbug]

11pm update from National Hurricane Center:

REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE PLANE INDICATE THAT THE INTENSITY REMAINS
ABOUT 100 KNOTS...BUT THE WIND FIELD IS EXPANDING. THE MINIMUM
CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED THIS EVENING HAS BEEN 939 MB. THE
SATELLITE PRESENTATION HAS BEEN UP AND DOWN...AND HAS BEEN CHANGING
FROM A COIL TO A RING OF VERY DEEP CONVECTION THROUGHOUT THE
EVENING. T-NUMBERS CONTINUE AROUND 5.5 ON THE DVORAK SCALE WHICH
ALSO SUPPORTS 100 KNOTS. DATA FROM THE NOAA JET CURRENTLY SAMPLING
THE ENVIRONMENT...INDICATE THAT THE CYCLONIC CIRCULATION EXTENDS
UPWARD TO ABOUT 200 MB AND IT IS SURROUNDED BY A LARGE SCALE
UPPER-LEVEL ANTICYLONE. THIS PATTERN...IN COMBINATION WITH THE HIGH
OCEANIC HEAT CONTENT...FANCY WORDS FOR A WARM OCEAN...ALONG THE PATH
OF KATRINA...CALLS FOR ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING. THE STRENGTHENING
IS ALSO FORECAST BY THE SHIPS AND THE GFDL MODELS WHICH BRING
KATRINA TO 130 AND 123 KNOTS...RESPECTIVELY. CHANGES IN THE INNER
CORE STRUCTURE BEFORE LANDFALL MAY MODIFY THE INTENSITY OF KATRINA
UP OR DOWN...BUT UNFORTUNATELY...THESE CHANGES ARE NOT POSSIBLE TO
FORECAST NOWADAYS WITH OUR PRESENT KNOWLEDGE. WE CAN ONLY DESCRIBE
THEM AS THEY OCCUR. HOWEVER...DESPITE THESE CHANGES IN THE INNER
CORE...THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO BE AN INTENSE
AND DANGEROUS HURRICANE HEADING TOWARD THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF
COAST...AND THIS HAS TO BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY.
IT APPEARS THAT KATRINA HAS BEGUN TO MOVE TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST
OR 290 DEGREES AT 6 KNOTS AS THE HIGH TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE
HURRICANE BEGINS TO RETREAT WESTWARD AND LEAVES A WEAKNESS OVER THE
CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO. THE COMBINATION OF BUILDING HIGH PRESSURE
OVER THE WESTERN NORTH ATLANTIC...AND A WEAK TROUGH APPROACHING THE
GULF OF MEXICO FROM THE NORTHWEST...SHOULD RESULT IN A PATTERN THAT
FORCES KATRINA TO TURN NORTHWESTWARD AND NORTHWARD TOWARD THE
CENTRAL GULF COAST. THIS IS ALSO THE SOLUTION PROVIDED BY THE
GLOBAL MODEL CONSENSUS WHICH THE OFFICIAL FORECAST FOLLOWS VERY
CLOSELY.

FORECASTER AVILA

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa loves Pooh,

This morning when they said people should leave, if I was there, that would have been the time I started packing up and got out of town.

I agree that it is a personal choice, but that doesn't stop people from blaming others for what happened.


Right--but there are all sorts of circumstances for people who do genuinely want to leave.

They won't win in court though. Blame all they want--consensus is stupidity lies with them.

You cannot have unneccessary evacuations--and evacs don't start until you are at 72 hours. Too much wiggle room before then. Heck--Florida got nailed for the Floyd Evacuations b/c they jumped to early and didn't have a good evac plan. Evac's happened much better last year than they did for Floyd. Some gridlock..but not the parking lot effect of Floyd.

We personally watch--and then when they even hit at an evacuation--we get moving. For Hurricane Jeanne--we couldn't evacuate until my hubby got back in town and he caught one of the last flights in and then to Tampa we went.

Not everyone's plan is the same. It takes a while.

The realization will come that these people made a mistake when they call 911 who kindly tells them that they cannot respond due to hurricane conditions.

[MagicKingdom05]

It's looks like they are doing everything they can to get people to leave except for forcing them out of there holmes, which I suppose at some point they could make this a mandatory thing.

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Here in Chicago we don't have these kinds of things, so this is all really new to me, but really interesting.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It's looks like they are doing everything they can to get people to leave except for forcing them out of there holmes, which I suppose at some point they could make this a mandatory thing.

In Florida--they've gone as far as asking for a DNA sample--or marking the home--or something..and telling the resident this is so that they can identify the body or where the body will be later on.

Too many protestors would require too much manpower to remove by force.

Mandatory Evacuations are mandatory--but mostly so that it is known that emergency services will not be available when conditions reach a certain point and that they have no responsibility over your safety if you do not heed the warning.

At least that is what it means here.

On our island--emergency services physically leave the island and go to another station--hospitals get evacuated to another hospital....and the island is on its own during the hurricane.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Here in Chicago we don't have these kinds of things, so I'm really fasinated by what's going on.

:confused3

I hope I'm not ruining it for you.

[Shutterbug]

It's looks like they are doing everything they can to get people to leave except for forcing them out of there holmes, which I suppose at some point they could make this a mandatory thing.

I was just watching wwwltv and they had the mayor of NO on and he said if he is legally capable he will issue a mandatory evac tomorrow morning.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I was just watching wwwltv and they had the mayor of NO on and he said if he is legally capable he will issue a mandatory evac tomorrow morning.


There is a mandatory evac of the coastal areas.....

NOLA is considered low lying--not sure why it doesn't have anything more than a voluntary evac right now.

But even then--as posted earlier..there are many residents who have no way out. They said that busses would pick people up and take them to the superdome--but according to the news websites it is only for medical needs patients and they must be pre-approved. No car and no money--how does he suggest removing these people? :confused3

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Maybe fasinated isn't the word I was looking for, because I'm not trying to be heartless. Sorry if I implied that.

I'm more interested it watching how the state itself is handling this so well and obviously they have done some kind of drill over and over because everyone who speaks seems so calm which is amazing.

[CrazedDisFan]

I have a question...

IF the mayor does a mandatory evacuation, what happens to patients at hospitals, nursing home, extended care facilities, etc.? Are they moved, do they go on lockdown in their respective facility or what happens?

It's too late to call my aunt and get my cousin's workplace's name, however I know it is in Metarie.

[MagicKingdom05]

CrazedDisFan,

I guess we will have to watch and see what they are going to do Sunday as it gets closer.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Maybe fasinated isn't the word I was looking for, because I'm not trying to be heartless.

I'm more interested it watching how the state itself is handling this so well and obviously they have done some kind of drill over and over because everyone who speaks seems so calm which is amazing.

I just didn't know why it was directed at me, I guess? I didn't think you were heartless. I'm am such a hurricane junky and fascinated with the weather system in general.

They are calm here, too! Not sure what they do in LA...but in Florida, the counties and the state do a drill ahead of the season. It is the officials job to handle it gracefully and without panic.

[MagicKingdom05]

Lisa loves Pooh,

I'm glad we got that cleared up. I think I was responding to your post about how the evacuation process starts and I mentioned that I was from Chicago so we don't go through these types of things so it was all new to me.

[AmazingGrace]

I'm sheltering tomorrow night at the base med center.

[bengalbelle]

Lisa loves Pooh,

Maybe fasinated isn't the word I was looking for, because I'm not trying to be heartless. Sorry if I implied that.

I'm more interested it watching how the state itself is handling this so well and obviously they have done some kind of drill over and over because everyone who speaks seems so calm which is amazing.
It's ok, I'm pretty fascinated with them myself. They learn from each hurricane what works and doesn't. Ivan was supposed to hit NO (took a last minute turn and didn't) but they didn't start contraflow in time and it was a mess! They made a plan after that and that's what is in place now. The residents of Grand Isle, which will be the first hit if she stays on her current track, know the drill. They are evacuated probably on an average of once a year.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have a question...

IF the mayor does a mandatory evacuation, what happens to patients at hospitals, nursing home, extended care facilities, etc.? Are they moved, do they go on lockdown in their respective facility or what happens?

It's too late to call my aunt and get my cousin's workplace's name, however I know it is in Metarie.


Depends on the facility. If in an mandatory evacuation zone--AND they have somewhere to go and a way to get there, they get evacuated. Here it is just the island hospital only. Not sure during a 5. They have a caravan of ambulances and the helicoptors transporting those who cannot travel by vehicle. They moved it to a hospital that is located very close to the river--but just not on the island.

For NOLA--no idea..and each facility would have a plan that they would implement.

Generally hospitals are closed only as a last resort.

[bengalbelle]

They just showed I-10 in Baton Rouge at the 10/12 "merge". Traffic was moving pretty smoothly there, no contraflow. They said traffic was moving steadily at about 40 mph.
It's amazing how quickly things change. Our CBS affiliate came on late due to the football game and they just showed the same area of I-10/I-12 and it's soooo much heavier than it was 20 minutes ago. I'd say it's stop and go right now.

[MagicKingdom05]

bengalbelle,

I figured it would start picking up at this point. People were probably packing what they could and are starting out now.

[MoniqueU]

There is a mandatory evac of the coastal areas.....

NOLA is considered low lying--not sure why it doesn't have anything more than a voluntary evac right now.

But even then--as posted earlier..there are many residents who have no way out. They said that busses would pick people up and take them to the superdome--but according to the news websites it is only for medical needs patients and they must be pre-approved. No car and no money--how does he suggest removing these people? :confused3
If NOLA gets hit straight on and people that couldnt evacuate die in torrential flooding that mayor is going to be in for some political you know what to hit the fan.

[MagicKingdom05]

MoniqueU,

The issue is how do you get those people out.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

If NOLA gets hit straight on and people that couldnt evacuate die in torrential flooding that mayor is going to be in for some political you know what to hit the fan.

I really don't believe so.

[Shutterbug]

Just though you might like to see the size of this monster.

Heres a satellite image:

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/GULFIR.JPG

[MoniqueU]

MoniqueU,

The issue is how do you get those people out.
City busses? Might be a start. At least move them further inland. Putting them up in the SuperDome if NOLA is going to get hit straight on isn't much of a solution IMHO. It could suffer just as much damage as anything else around there.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

MoniqueU,

The issue is how do you get those people out.

Right.

Not to be crass--but there is a limitation to public services. Living in the projects or low-income housing is not license to have the city take care of your each and every need 24-7.

I'm sure if he wants to force people out--the ones who want to leave and cant would be more than happy to hop into a paddy wagon to get to hire ground.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

City busses? Might be a start. At least move them further inland. Putting them up in the SuperDome if NOLA is going to get hit straight on isn't much of a solution IMHO. It could suffer just as much damage as anything else around there.

Anyone who lives in a hurricane prone area cannot expect the city to provide you a way out.

There isn't enough bussess to transport 100,000 people one way out.

[MoniqueU]

Right.

Not to be crass--but there is a limitation to public services. Living in the projects or low-income housing is not license to have the city take care of your each and every need 24-7.

I'm sure if he wants to force people out--the ones who want to leave and cant would be more than happy to hop into a paddy wagon to get to hire ground.
Well then by that same thought there would be no need for the government to come in and provide food and water after a storm. No one is actually entitled to any form of aid. We just do what we can to help one another.
And you bet if aid isn't fast enough after a storm people are complaining. I think it only stands to reason that people would complain if they weren't helped enough before a storme as well.
I know I wouldn't want to be riding this storm out in NOLA and I feel for everyone.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well then by that same thought there would be no need for the government to come in and provide food and water after a storm. No one is actually entitled to any form of aid. We just do what we can to help one another.
And you bet if aid isn't fast enough after a storm people are complaining. I think it only stands to reason that people would complain if they weren't helped enough before a storme as well.
I know I wouldn't want to be riding this storm out in NOLA and I feel for everyone.

I wouldn't want to be riding it out either.....people will complain no matter what b/c aid takes time. People whined b/c power was off for 2 weeks here---well they don't just flip a switch. They fix have a hiearchy for restoring power. Giving you air conditioning b/c it is a little hot isn't as important as a hospital or nursing home.

But the mayor cannot be expected to have on hand, in the event of an evacuation, enough transportation to move 100,000 people.

I will not address this further as you are turning a travesty into a polticial thing which is very sad for this thread.

Post a new thread if you wish to "debate" on the governments role in the event of a hurricane.

[tiggersmom2]

But the mayor cannot be expected to have on hand, in the event of an evacuation, enough transportation to move 100,000 people.

I will not address this further as you are turning a travesty into a polticial thing which is very sad for this thread.

Post a new thread if you wish to "debate" on the governments role in the event of a hurricane.

I agree Lisa......some people. :confused3 :sad2:

[DopeyRN]

Contraflow IS working well. My DH and son just left. I am sitting alone in my house and it is impossible to say, but the neighborhood "feels" empty. I am so sad I am crying. They keep saying locally that this really could be it. If it is, I literally will have to be rescued somehow (if I make it at all). The city will be gone. I don't know how to explain it, but N.O. is like no other city in this country. I saw the devestation in Fla from last year's and this year's hurricaines first hand. There is still land to rebuild on. We will have NO land. It will just be gone. :(

PS I have not read this whole thread, but I have heard that N.O and a couple of other parishes cannot order mandatory evacs. It is impossible to evacuate everyone, and everyone does not have the ability to evacuate. It is tragic, it really is.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well, it looks like the Mayor is looking to get everyone out after all! Good for him!

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said he may call for the first-ever mandatory evacuation in city history after talking with the head of the Hurricane Center who said a storm surge of 20-25 feet could be expected with major hurricane Katrina.


Nagin said he would consider ordering evacuations by Sunday morning and may employ buses and trains to help get people out of the city.


In an interview on Eyewitness News, Nagin said his Saturday night dinner was interrupted by an urgent call from Governor Kathleen Blanco who asked Nagin to call the Hurricane Center.


Nagin said the Hurricane Center Chief told the mayor that if it was possible at all, he should order an evacuation due to winds that could reach 145 miles per hour sustained and 170 mile per hour gusts.


Nagin said he would put his wife and family on a plane and he urged everyone to do anything they could to get out.


“All models say this storm will land right on top of New Orleans,” he said.


Nagin said he would call churches and urge them to have their congregations adopt seniors or someone who doesn’t have transportation and get them out.


“I don’t want to wake up one day and not have done all I could do with a catastrophe on top of us.”


Nagin said anyone trying to stay in a city hotel or hoping for an opening of the Superdome might want to think again.


According to Nagin, if 18 to 20 feet of water came into the city it could be six or seven weeks to restore power and the Superdome and hotels would grow uncomfortable.

[tiggersmom2]

Contraflow IS working well. My DH and son just left. I am sitting alone in my house and it is impossible to say, but the neighborhood "feels" empty. I am so sad I am crying. They keep saying locally that this really could be it. If it is, I literally will have to be rescued somehow (if I make it at all). The city will be gone. I don't know how to explain it, but N.O. is like no other city in this country. I saw the devestation in Fla from last year's and this year's hurricaines first hand. There is still land to rebuild on. We will have NO land. It will just be gone. :(


Oh Donna, I am praying so hard for ya'll sweetie! :grouphug: I am still praying that it turns.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Contraflow IS working well. My DH and son just left. I am sitting alone in my house and it is impossible to say, but the neighborhood "feels" empty. I am so sad I am crying. They keep saying locally that this really could be it. If it is, I literally will have to be rescued somehow (if I make it at all). The city will be gone. I don't know how to explain it, but N.O. is like no other city in this country. I saw the devestation in Fla from last year's and this year's hurricaines first hand. There is still land to rebuild on. We will have NO land. It will just be gone. :(

:(

Why are you home alone? (Oh duh--RN? Nurse? Have to stay? :( :( :( :().

(We weren't saying it wasn't working--just the image picked was not reflected of the evacuation--other than to show one lane blocked and the others used for opposite traffic).

[Desiree]

Donna.... :grouphug:

Dawn... Y'all ready to ride this one out? The stores were a madhouse today. Managed to get up early to get gas this morning before the rush.

[N.Bailey]

Well, it looks like the Mayor is looking to get everyone out after all! Good for him!

This is great news. While I didn't want to get into the debate on this thread, I feel that if there is something that could be done, they should do it. Not out of obligation, but rather humanity. It's looking really bad!

DopeyRN, I wish you would get out of there.

[bengalbelle]

Contraflow IS working well. My DH and son just left. I am sitting alone in my house and it is impossible to say, but the neighborhood "feels" empty. I am so sad I am crying. They keep saying locally that this really could be it. If it is, I literally will have to be rescued somehow (if I make it at all). The city will be gone. I don't know how to explain it, but N.O. is like no other city in this country. I saw the devestation in Fla from last year's and this year's hurricaines first hand. There is still land to rebuild on. We will have NO land. It will just be gone. :(
:grouphug: Im so sad I don't even know what to say :(. I'm so sorry that you have to stay behind. I pray you will come through everything safely.

I understand your feelings about NO perfectly. I was trying to explain to someone on another thread how New Orleans is so much more than the French Quarter and Bourbon Street. There is so much history and beauty there and I can't imagine losing all of that.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This is great news. While I didn't want to get into the debate on this thread, I feel that if there is something that could be done, they should do it. Not out of obligation, but rather humanity. It's looking really bad!

DopeyRN, I wish you would get out of there.

I agree (but the political-ness of the ensuing discussion was inappropriate for the thread, KWIM! I happen to find the article and posted it to show--that the Mayor was probably safe from a "political" storm. :rolleyes: ;) ;)
).

[bengalbelle]

Donna.... :grouphug:

Dawn... Y'all ready to ride this one out? The stores were a madhouse today. Managed to get up early to get gas this morning before the rush.
I think we're ready. They just activated the Emergency Alert system to officially put our parish under the Hurricane Warning. I knew it was coming but it's still a little scary.

We have all of our supplies. Now it's just a waiting game to see what happens. You take care and hope to "see" you Saturday!

[N.Bailey]

I agree (but the political-ness of the ensuing discussion was inappropriate for the thread, KWIM! I happen to find the article and posted it to show--that the Mayor was probably safe from a "political" storm. :rolleyes: ;) ;)
).

It sounds like NO has a great mayor. At least reading that article, that's the way he's come across to me. He's feeling this, you can tell.

[MoniqueU]

I am glad the Mayor is trying something. See my idea of busses wasn't so farfetched. I wasn't trying to turn anything political. I just hate to see so many people get stuck and left behind just because they live in the projects.
I can't even imagine having the means to run from that storm let alone not that would be scary.

Last I checked the bourbon street webcam there are STILL people out there drinking and roaming the street. Maybe these are tourists who are on a flight home tomorrow. But what about all the bars and restaurants down there. They need to start letting their employees off work so they can evacuate I would think. I just hope people in the area that could get flooded out take this seriously.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

:grouphug: Im so sad I don't even know what to say :(. I'm so sorry that you have to stay behind. I pray you will come through everything safely.

I understand your feelings about NO perfectly. I was trying to explain to someone on another thread how New Orleans is so much more than the French Quarter and Bourbon Street. There is so much history and beauty there and I can't imagine losing all of that.

It is so much more! My parents remodeled a house there on "This Old House"--my only connection to the city--but still...a sad connection--almost like losing a childhood home if it is destroyed. And it wouldn't be the only one---many others--these things are just wood and not concrete block. They sit up off the ground--but kind of a nice gesture to floods, but for a hurricane it does nothing.

ohh--and now I'm thinking of lots of friends and their families! Oy!!!

I might have to check that high school reunion board again. Wish they had open discussion like here. Probably a paid service that gets used very little.

[DopeyRN]

Lisa, I am an RN. I will lose my job if I don't show tomorrow. But sitting here alone right now, I may hit the road alone tomorrow and lose the job. The mayor says if you evacuate vertically, you need to be on the 3rd floor or above. My hospital is 4 floors...it is a very small hospital. There is a larger and safer hospital (the one that bought/merged with us) and for the 20 or so patient in the hospital right now, I do not see why they cannot move these patients to Tulane. I am truly panicking and I don't know if I can do this. I lived through Betsy and Camille when I was young and they were nothing compared to this if it hits where they say it is. If it moves just a little east, we will make it. I'm scared, and I guess it is times like this that I need to trust the faith I profess. Thank you for the good wishes. At this moment you have no idea how alone I feel.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It sounds like NO has a great mayor. At least reading that article, that's the way he's come across to me. He's feeling this, you can tell.

::yes::

The big thing afterwards is the incredible amount of patience these people will have. It took me several hours to get the all clear to go home and that was tough--this will be an entire city that just can't go home.

[Shutterbug]

I think we're ready. They just activated the Emergency Alert system to officially put our parish under the Hurricane Warning. I knew it was coming but it's still a little scary.

We have all of our supplies. Now it's just a waiting game to see what happens. You take care and hope to "see" you Saturday!

to lighten up the moment...if your house does get up and float away maybe you will end up on that Lost island with all those hunky guys drool over ;) :teeth:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am glad the Mayor is trying something. See my idea of busses wasn't so farfetched. I wasn't trying to turn anything political. I just hate to see so many people get stuck and left behind just because they live in the projects.
I can't even imagine having the means to run from that storm let alone not that would be scary.

Last I checked the bourbon street webcam there are STILL people out there drinking and roaming the street. Maybe these are tourists who are on a flight home tomorrow. But what about all the bars and restaurants down there. They need to start letting their employees off work so they can evacuate I would think. I just hope people in the area that could get flooded out take this seriously.

It wasn't farfetched--but you really jumped the gun with your accusation!

And people in the projects do own cars--I don't think the problem is isolated ot just those residence.

Around here--businesses stayed open until a certain time (obvious necessary ones and not so necessary ones). Usually still so on the first night of evacuations and part of the next day. On the surface it appears like complacence--but isn't always so. It is forecasted for Monday--and not to sound complacent--but one last night of being open really isn't going to hurt in the large scheme of things. It's the partying during the hurricane that would be bad.

[N.Bailey]

Lisa, I am an RN. I will lose my job if I don't show tomorrow. But sitting here alone right now, I may hit the road alone tomorrow and lose the job. The mayor says if you evacuate vertically, you need to be on the 3rd floor or above. My hospital is 4 floors...it is a very small hospital. There is a larger and safer hospital (the one that bought/merged with us) and for the 20 or so patient in the hospital right now, I do not see why they cannot move these patients to Tulane. I am truly panicking and I don't know if I can do this. I lived through Betsy and Camille when I was young and they were nothing compared to this if it hits where they say it is. If it moves just a little east, we will make it. I'm scared, and I guess it is times like this that I need to trust the faith I profess. Thank you for the good wishes. At this moment you have no idea how alone I feel.

I might have you confused with another poster, but earlier tonight, did you post that you and your son planned on staying behind to save your jobs? Did your son change his mind? I hope so!! As I hope you do too!!!

Are they not evacuating your hospital? I find it ridiculous that you're being asked to put your life on the line for your job. I'm so sorry you're being put in that position. I do hope you choose to leave though. You'll find another job, but your family won't find another mother/wife. :grouphug:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

to lighten up the moment...if your house does get up and float away maybe you will end up on that Lost island with all those hunky guys drool over ;) :teeth:


ooohh---pack some rum in that cooler!!! We'll paddle a boat on over for a party. :banana: :banana:

[CrazedDisFan]

DopeyRN,

Many :grouphug: to you. I am so sorry. :sad1:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Are they not evacuating your hospital? I find it ridiculous that you're being asked to put your life on the line for your job. I'm so sorry you're being put in that position. I do hope you choose to leave though. You'll find another job, but your family won't find another mother/wife. :grouphug:

Not to answer for her--but the patients cannot be evacuated without a medical staff.

And sadly that is the risks of the medical/emergency field.

[tiggersmom2]

ooohh---pack some rum in that cooler!!! We'll paddle a boat on over for a party. :banana: :banana:


Oh yeah...scootch over, I'm throwing my 12 pack in that boat! ;) :rotfl2:

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lisa, I am an RN. I will lose my job if I don't show tomorrow. But sitting here alone right now, I may hit the road alone tomorrow and lose the job. The mayor says if you evacuate vertically, you need to be on the 3rd floor or above. My hospital is 4 floors...it is a very small hospital. There is a larger and safer hospital (the one that bought/merged with us) and for the 20 or so patient in the hospital right now, I do not see why they cannot move these patients to Tulane. I am truly panicking and I don't know if I can do this. I lived through Betsy and Camille when I was young and they were nothing compared to this if it hits where they say it is. If it moves just a little east, we will make it. I'm scared, and I guess it is times like this that I need to trust the faith I profess. Thank you for the good wishes. At this moment you have no idea how alone I feel.

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

I know it is tough--but hang in there.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh yeah...scootch over, I'm throwing my 12 pack in that boat! ;) :rotfl2:

Hey bengel belle--we're there with you!!!!

:grouphug: :grouphug:

Are you okay with not having that special drink from Pat O's in the cooler---or should we throw some in there, too?

[CrazedDisFan]

Hey, if you let me in the boat I have some glasses and hurricane mix from Pat O'Briens. :drinking1

[N.Bailey]

Not to answer for her--but the patients cannot be evacuated without a medical staff.

And sadly that is the risks of the medical/emergency field.

So why can't she evacuate (as well as other staff) to a hospital outside this area? What happens if the mayor calls for a mandatory evac tomorrow? Is this hospital exempt?

[Lisa loves Pooh]

So why can't she evacuate (as well as other staff) to a hospital outside this area? What happens if the mayor calls for a mandatory evac tomorrow? Is this hospital exempt?

She posted earlier--that above the 3rd floor is considered "safe" and she works on the 4th floor. It would be up to her parent hospital to make that call.

You have to have a safe place to move patients. An ICU or a NICU or a cardiac unit or any other host of units--just can't hop in a taxi and go to the Holiday Inn in Alabama.

It really sounds like the mandatory evacuation is for residents and unnecessary people (ETA) in an unsafe situation.

Evidently a strong building--like a hospital that is taller than 3 stories is a safe place.

[N.Bailey]

She posted earlier--that above the 3rd floor is considered "safe" and she works on the 4th floor. It would be up to her parent hospital to make that call.

You have to have a safe place to move patients. An ICU or a NICU or a cardiac unit or any other host of units--just can't hop in a taxi and go to the Holiday Inn in Alabama.

It really sounds like the mandatory evacuation is for residents and unnecessary people (ETA) in an unsafe situation.

Evidently a strong building--like a hospital that is taller than 3 stories is a safe place.

Well she said this, hopefully they will move them! I hope I don't sound like I'm starting a debate either. It just upsets me.

There is a larger and safer hospital (the one that bought/merged with us) and for the 20 or so patient in the hospital right now, I do not see why they cannot move these patients to Tulane.

[paigevz]

Just heard from my brother in New Orleans. His gf and he packed up the dogs and hit the road. They should be at my parents' in Oklahoma by dawn. He says it takes hours just to leave the city because of the lines for ATMs and gas. He says the gas station attendant told him they are running low. I don't know if it's just that gas station or all of them.

It would be awful to think you had time to go and then couldn't get gas. :confused3

:grouphug: to all Gulf coasters!

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Well she said this, hopefully they will move them! I hope I don't sound like I'm starting a debate either. It just upsets me.

I know she did--wasn't starting a debate--just was repeating what she said the mayor said.

The last thing I will say--what if every scheduled worker tomorrow made that same decision. Even if the parent hospital transported the patients---there would be noone to care for them. :(.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

paigevz---they were probably talking about themselves--though each gas station could probably say the same thing.

And when they are running low--the pumps run soooo sloooooowwww and it makes the wait even longer.

[bengalbelle]

Oh yeah...scootch over, I'm throwing my 12 pack in that boat! ;) :rotfl2:
I'll bring the hurricanes (the drink I mean).

[Pugdog007]

So why can't she evacuate (as well as other staff) to a hospital outside this area? What happens if the mayor calls for a mandatory evac tomorrow? Is this hospital exempt?

When I was evacuated from N.O. last year for Ivan, it was my understanding that they could not call for a mandatory evacuation in Jefferson Parish due to the thousands of homeless people. There was no way to get them all out.

[Lisa loves Pooh]

When I was evacuated from N.O. last year for Ivan, it was my understanding that they could not call for a mandatory evacuation in Jefferson Parish due to the thousands of homeless people. There was no way to get them all out.


I think they were listed as mandatory earlier. But the list disappeared due to the mayor's statement so I could be wrong.

[bengalbelle]

Hey bengel belle--we're there with you!!!!

:grouphug: :grouphug:

Are you okay with not having that special drink from Pat O's