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jodifla
07-17-2005, 02:40 PM
DS is now 3 1/2 and in the process of being potty trained. My question to you more experienced parents is, when do you declare them trained? When they've been dry/clean a week, month, two months?

Our next cruise isn't slated until next May, so I'm hopeful we'll be all done by then! ;) On our last cruise, he wasn't trained yet (before he turned 3) so we had to work around the pool issue. Luckily for us, our 3-day Bahamas cruise turned into a 4-day Mexican cruise because of Hurricane Jeanne, so we were able to do all day in a pool at one of the beachside clubs in Cozumel. That satisfied his pool lust.

Ariel&Flounder'sMom
07-17-2005, 03:02 PM
It sounds like you guys are doing great. This is a subject that's completely subjective...

That said, and since you asked for opinions, with my first DD, I considered her PTed when I didn't worry anymore about her having accidents. What I mean is, I could run to the grocery store, and not worry about her having an accident. Or I could take her for a car ride, and not live in fear.

Yes, they'll have accidents on and off for awhile, but that's what accidents are.

I hope that makes sense. JMHO...

Jsme
07-17-2005, 05:42 PM
My youngest was offically potty trained when he decided he wanted his bike. He never once had an accident after getting it. Of course only big boys have bikes and only big boys stop making accidents. That was 8 years aog. He is 10 now.

I do not know when or how you can tell. All I know is this is how we finally got E from having accidents. Before I am blasted, to make the story short this is the easiest way to put it. Even our doctor was amazed at my stradegy. He loved it.

crisi
07-17-2005, 07:30 PM
Its going to depend on the kid. For a lot of them its a light....they have accidents every day - that isn't potty trained, and then one day they stop. And they don't have accidents. At that point they are trained. Other kids will do fine for a week then backslide and have a couple of off days.

I think you'll know whether you can be confident of no accidents in the pool to declare him trained. If he still has occational accidents when he gets busy or distracted, you'll just want to make sure he uses the potty before swimming and being dropped off in the kids clubs.

Jsme
07-17-2005, 10:05 PM
Pool accidents are the worse too. Last October it seemed every day the Mickey pool had to be closed due to floaties. The Goofy pool was even closed one day.

jodifla
07-18-2005, 02:35 PM
I was posting on another thread, that I think they'd be better off requiring anyone under 4 to be in some sort of rubber pants/swim diaper. That's more practical than the pool rules now on boats, and it's once public pools use up here in Michigan.

castlegazer
07-18-2005, 02:51 PM
I was posting on another thread, that I think they'd be better off requiring anyone under 4 to be in some sort of rubber pants/swim diaper. That's more practical than the pool rules now on boats, and it's once public pools use up here in Michigan.

That is incredibly insulting to kids who truly are potty trained. My son would not understand at all and would burst into tears if he were to be made to wear a swim diaper again. He was fully potty trained at 2 1/2.

And to answer the OP - everyone has already stated how it happens, you just suddenly notice that they haven't had an accident in a long time during the day.

When summer came this year my son started having accidents during the day again and we figured out that it was because he was out on the playground and did not want to take the time out to go in and go. Now that has stopped too. Now his bladder has matured to the point where he can hold it and wait and knows to go as a precaution - i.e. before long car rides, etc.

OurDogCisco
07-18-2005, 02:51 PM
I was posting on another thread, that I think they'd be better off requiring anyone under 4 to be in some sort of rubber pants/swim diaper. That's more practical than the pool rules now on boats, and it's once public pools use up here in Michigan.

You've got to be kidding me. My 4 year old has been potty trained since 3 years old and has never had an accident during the day or at night. She was potty trained at night from the beginning.

Personally, I think, they should make people over 50 wear swim diapers too! JMHO... They have weak bladders too...

KarenP99
07-18-2005, 02:51 PM
I don't know how you "declare" it, I know some parenting magazine stated that a child is officially potty trained when they've gone 6 months without an accident.

For kids club purposes, they need to be able to go in by themselves, and clean up/wash hands on their own afterwards.

Karen

jodifla
07-18-2005, 02:55 PM
You've got to be kidding me. My 4 year old has been potty trained since 3 years old and has never had an accident during the day or at night. She was potty trained at night from the beginning.

Personally, I think, they should make people over 50 wear swim diapers too! JMHO... They have weak bladders too...


Uh, no, I'm not kidding you. You can see by the previous posters that kids have accidents when they are excited.

And Castlegazer, you said it yourself: Your DS started having accidents after he was potty trained. Who's to say that's not what happened to the previous poster's experience of having the Mickey pool closed all the time?

castlegazer
07-18-2005, 03:19 PM
I said he had accidents, I did not say he had poop accidents. He never had poop accidents after he was what I would call fully trained. And while I was training him to go #2 on the potty and I wasn't sure he would not have an accident, he would wear a swim diaper in the pool.

Its just insulting to say that one child has to wear swim diapers because other children aren't really trained.

So I guess it comes down to your original question - when do you know when they are fully trained? Well, its been three months since my son has had a #1 accident, and at least 6 months since he has had a #2 accident. I am going to say he is fully trained. Their bladders have to be mature enough to be able to hold it in if they have to go. This happens at differing stages for children. I know its happened for my son, who by the way is 3 and three months old, because he has shown me that he can hold it for extended periods of time and we no longer have to run for the bathroom.

jodifla
07-18-2005, 03:27 PM
I said he had accidents, I did not say he had poop accidents. He never had poop accidents after he was what I would call fully trained. And while I was training him to go #2 on the potty and I wasn't sure he would not have an accident, he would wear a swim diaper in the pool.

Its just insulting to say that one child has to wear swim diapers because other children aren't really trained.

So I guess it comes down to your original question - when do you know when they are fully trained? Well, its been three months since my son has had a #1 accident, and at least 6 months since he has had a #2 accident. I am going to say he is fully trained. Their bladders have to be mature enough to be able to hold it in if they have to go. This happens at differing stages for children. I know its happened for my son, who by the way is 3 and three months old, because he has shown me that he can hold it for extended periods of time and we no longer have to run for the bathroom.


I actually only thought of that because I see it being required up here in Michigan. (In Florida, several places had under all 3s in swim diapers.) And it seems like it would cut down on some of the Mickey pool problems, since they seem to be chronic on board.

It's my understanding that that don't even let those in swim diapers in the pool, creating situations where parents send their kids in and hope for the best. I guess it's hard to know how many of those kids truly aren't trained, or are just so overwhelmed and excited that they have an accident when they haven't had one for months before.

Anyway, I'm still new to the potty training game, so I'm asking for others input/ideas.

OurDogCisco
07-18-2005, 03:30 PM
Uh, no, I'm not kidding you. You can see by the previous posters that kids have accidents when they are excited.

And Castlegazer, you said it yourself: Your DS started having accidents after he was potty trained. Who's to say that's not what happened to the previous poster's experience of having the Mickey pool closed all the time?

Obviously, you don't own a pool. A pool does not get closed because of pee accidents. They do get closed for poo accidents. Pee is actually very clean compared to poo.

I've been on two Disney cruises and the pool never closed for us. We did a 7 day and a 3 day. I know the pool was cleaned at the end of each day.

If you really believe what you stated then, the same must apply for people over the age of 50 because they have the same issues. Weak bladders... So your arguement states that because we can't guarantee that all 4 years olds are trained then, all should wear swim diapers. Well, then, the same would apply to adults. I'm sure you have heard of depends!

crisi
07-18-2005, 03:32 PM
The CDC doesn't consider swim diapers or rubber pants sufficient precaution in a pool on a cruise ship. Cruise ships have different and more strigent rules. And not all kids are potty trained by their fourth bithday - I have a girlfriend whose daughter was close to five. And of course there are incontinant (both urine and feces) older children and adult.

jodifla
07-18-2005, 03:49 PM
Obviously, you don't own a pool. A pool does not get closed because of pee accidents. They do get closed for poo accidents. Pee is actually very clean compared to poo.

I've been on two Disney cruises and the pool never closed for us. We did a 7 day and a 3 day. I know the pool was cleaned at the end of each day.

If you really believe what you stated then, the same must apply for people over the age of 50 because they have the same issues. Weak bladders... So your arguement states that because we can't guarantee that all 4 years olds are trained then, all should wear swim diapers. Well, then, the same would apply to adults. I'm sure you have heard of depends!

Actually, I grew up owning a pool, but it wasn't open to the public so it didn't really matter. re: health regulations and closing the pool. When little kids came over, I don't think we gave it a second thought.

So, why is the pool closed so much then because of accidents? Are the parents just lying abou the kids being trained, or do the kids just get excited?

And what would you do faced with the requirement of the local water park?

OurDogCisco
07-18-2005, 04:18 PM
Actually, I grew up owning a pool, but it wasn't open to the public so it didn't really matter. re: health regulations and closing the pool. When little kids came over, I don't think we gave it a second thought.

So, why is the pool closed so much then because of accidents? Are the parents just lying abou the kids being trained, or do the kids just get excited?

And what would you do faced with the requirement of the local water park?

I know, Disney or cruise lines in general do not have the filteration systems that most local parks and hotels have. That is why the rule is stricter on cruiselines. The above poster mentioned that as well. But you also have to realize swim diapers do not make the situation any better because of how the cruiselines filter the water, etc.. I guess, the key would be if the child poops or pee in their swim diaper the parent needs to immediately take the child out of the pool to change their diaper!

As I mentioned before, the pool never closed on our our two cruises. When I did cruise last May with my non-potty trained 2 year old (almost 3 years old). She hung out in the designated Mickey's ear part of the pool. Personally, I didn't want to get in the Mickey pool with all the kids and she was fine in that section of the pool. My guess, is that most parents lie... But I don't believe your solution in requiring all under 4 year olds to wear swim diapers in the soluation. For one my 4 year old now looks like she is 2 years old. She only ways 28 lbs. So, it would be a very difficult rule to enforce. Personally, I think, Disney should have a better filter, etc... so, that the kids could just swim in the pool with diaper like they do at public and hotel pools.

jodifla
07-18-2005, 05:16 PM
I know, Disney or cruise lines in general do not have the filteration systems that most local parks and hotels have. That is why the rule is stricter on cruiselines. The above poster mentioned that as well. But you also have to realize swim diapers do not make the situation any better because of how the cruiselines filter the water, etc.. I guess, the key would be if the child poops or pee in their swim diaper the parent needs to immediately take the child out of the pool to change their diaper!

As I mentioned before, the pool never closed on our our two cruises. When I did cruise last May with my non-potty trained 2 year old (almost 3 years old). She hung out in the designated Mickey's ear part of the pool. Personally, I didn't want to get in the Mickey pool with all the kids and she was fine in that section of the pool. My guess, is that most parents lie... But I don't believe your solution in requiring all under 4 year olds to wear swim diapers in the soluation. For one my 4 year old now looks like she is 2 years old. She only ways 28 lbs. So, it would be a very difficult rule to enforce. Personally, I think, Disney should have a better filter, etc... so, that the kids could just swim in the pool with diaper like they do at public and hotel pools.


Yes, that would be a very good idea. It's a shame younger kids can't use the pool. Of course, that's not Disney's rule. It's a government rule. When DCL first came out, everyone could be in the pool.

Disney with Triplets
07-18-2005, 05:29 PM
If you are talking about the pool, I think it would be when he can control bowel movements. Urine in the pool, while sounds gross, isn't particularly dangerous, feces is.

For the clubs, I've heard that children are responsible for meeting their own restroom needs with minimal help and supervision.

lbgraves
07-18-2005, 08:14 PM
The only time the pool closed on either of our cruises was due to a child vomiting in the pool.

Swim diapers do not hold urine in like regular diapers. That is why they don't absorb the water & swell up. Also, if you required every child 4 and under to wear a swim diaper, there is no way that they would all fit in the fountain ear of the Mickey pool.

jodifla
07-19-2005, 06:55 AM
The only time the pool closed on either of our cruises was due to a child vomiting in the pool.

Swim diapers do not hold urine in like regular diapers. That is why they don't absorb the water & swell up. Also, if you required every child 4 and under to wear a swim diaper, there is no way that they would all fit in the fountain ear of the Mickey pool.

I was thinking more along the lines of having the kids wear swim diapers, but letting them have free run of the Mickey pool. That's how it used to be. The ear was retrofitted after the government decided to bar swim diapers from pools, reasoning that if it barred swim diapers, it would also keep out all the non toilet trained kids.

Skatermom23
07-19-2005, 07:20 AM
I think when a child has the ability to "hold it" and can verbally let me know that he/she needs to use the restroom, then I will say they are fully trained.

castlegazer
07-19-2005, 10:28 AM
To answer your question about what would we do faced with the local requirments in MI for usage of swim diapers for all children under a certain age - My answer would be, I would not go. You will find that it is a source of great pride for your child once they get it and achieve potty training. Its not something to be messed with by putting on a diaper for long rides or for extended periods of shopping and the same goes for swimming in pools. I would find another pool to use.

And to reiterate, swim diapers do NOT hold pee in at all. It flows right through them. They are designed only to hold in the poop for a short period of time so that you can get them out and changed.

jodifla
07-19-2005, 11:34 AM
To answer your question about what would we do faced with the local requirments in MI for usage of swim diapers for all children under a certain age - My answer would be, I would not go. You will find that it is a source of great pride for your child once they get it and achieve potty training. Its not something to be messed with by putting on a diaper for long rides or for extended periods of shopping and the same goes for swimming in pools. I would find another pool to use.

And to reiterate, swim diapers do NOT hold pee in at all. It flows right through them. They are designed only to hold in the poop for a short period of time so that you can get them out and changed.


This seems a strident view to me, but of course, you are entitled to it. My DS seems to treat pullups and swim diapers as undwear now. He takes them off before he has to go.

Thanks for your input. I think we are on track for next May, certainly.

lbgraves
07-19-2005, 11:42 AM
I agree with what castlegazer said. A 3 yo may be fine with using pull ups for possible accidents but a 3 1/2 or 4 yo who has been PTd for a year would surely balk at being made to wear a diaper again...in any form. One thing that made dd SO proud when she finally was PTd was that she didn't have to wear baby diapers any more. Picking out her big girl panties was a celebration. There is no way that she would consent to wearing a diaper again for any reason.

crisi
07-19-2005, 12:02 PM
To answer your question about what would we do faced with the local requirments in MI for usage of swim diapers for all children under a certain age - My answer would be, I would not go. You will find that it is a source of great pride for your child once they get it and achieve potty training. Its not something to be messed with by putting on a diaper for long rides or for extended periods of shopping and the same goes for swimming in pools. I would find another pool to use.

And to reiterate, swim diapers do NOT hold pee in at all. It flows right through them. They are designed only to hold in the poop for a short period of time so that you can get them out and changed.

And I suspect that is where the CDC is coming from. Kids in swim diapers can "hide" that they pooped. But the diaper isn't sufficient (nor is rubber pants) to keep the bacteria out of the water. So it might be hours between contaimination and cleaning the pool. When not wearing swim diapers, when a kid poops, it doesn't take long at all for someone to notice the floatie. The pool is cleared out and cleaned.

Ariel&Flounder'sMom
07-19-2005, 12:15 PM
This is an interesting discussion. I have a question: the last post makes the good point that with a swim diaper, the bacteria is in the pool long before it's known there was a poop. Maybe I'm a bad mom, but I often don't realize my DD2 has pooped until she comes close enough to me that I can smell her. That may be awhile.

So even if a child has on a swim diaper, isn't even less safe since you don't know there's poo in the pool? (what an interesting conversation)

(and boy, have I learned the hard way about swim diapers and pee this summer - ugh! Although, that feeling of pee running down her leg may be helping her to PT.)

lbgraves
07-19-2005, 12:39 PM
Oh boy! If a parent has a child in a pool with a swim diaper it is simply their responsibility to watch their child to see when they poop. I don't think that my kids were out of the ordinary and it was quite obvious when they were doing their business. Facial expressions were usually the give away. ;)

jodifla
07-19-2005, 12:54 PM
Oh boy! If a parent has a child in a pool with a swim diaper it is simply their responsibility to watch their child to see when they poop. I don't think that my kids were out of the ordinary and it was quite obvious when they were doing their business. Facial expressions were usually the give away. ;)


My son is totally stealthy. You can never tell, unfortunately.

crisi
07-19-2005, 12:57 PM
My kids didn't have distinct facial expressions or signs. I wouldn't have been able to tell. And my daughter - until she was trained - completely didn't care if she had a load. She'd fight diaper changes - she'd rather just run around soiled. Pulling her out of the Mickey Pool would have been a no go. And frankly, I don't trust other parents to keep a full pair of eyes on their kids for that telltale expression - no swim diapers (and the sqweels of horror that occur when someone notices an accident) seem like a better system.

castlegazer
07-19-2005, 01:15 PM
no swim diapers (and the sqweels of horror that occur when someone notices an accident) seem like a better system.

::yes::

we also didn't use pull ups at all for training, so that may be the difference in my consternation over the matter of swim diaper requirements versus your feelings on the matter.

Skallywag
07-19-2005, 01:36 PM
If you really believe what you stated then, the same must apply for people over the age of 50 because they have the same issues. Weak bladders... So your arguement states that because we can't guarantee that all 4 years olds are trained then, all should wear swim diapers. Well, then, the same would apply to adults. I'm sure you have heard of depends

Just cannot believe that anyone would be as insulting to over 50s as the above -

For information both of our children were fully potty trained at 12 months with no problem - just took patience.

Know other children that take much longer - just depends. Sometimes feel it is the fault of disposable nappies as it is so much easier just to change them and throw them away rather than the when my children were small and had terry towel ones.

OurDogCisco
07-19-2005, 03:34 PM
If you really believe what you stated then, the same must apply for people over the age of 50 because they have the same issues. Weak bladders... So your arguement states that because we can't guarantee that all 4 years olds are trained then, all should wear swim diapers. Well, then, the same would apply to adults. I'm sure you have heard of depends

Just cannot believe that anyone would be as insulting to over 50s as the above -

For information both of our children were fully potty trained at 12 months with no problem - just took patience.

Know other children that take much longer - just depends. Sometimes feel it is the fault of disposable nappies as it is so much easier just to change them and throw them away rather than the when my children were small and had terry towel ones.

Brenda,

Do you really think I believe that! Please... I don't... I was pointing out how "insulting" the original comment was and how ridiciously it was...

Tina

AFMom
07-19-2005, 06:35 PM
We used swim diapers when the kids were little because they were required in FL even though the kids were potty trained, at our local pool. It wasn't too big of a deal ( I don't think my boys cared as long as they got to swim)- but I didn't get what the help was, either. The pee came right out, and #2 wouldn't have stayed in long! When they were babies - I would actually time the pool trips around their #2's! Wait till they go, go to the pool for a while (they can only be out fo so long anyway), then get them out before another #2 was due.
Also - no child should EVER be allowed in a pool if they've had any sort of stomach upsets that include vomiting or diarreah within about 24 hours. Talking to the people that work at our community pool here - they say it's always they little ones that have been sick recently that cause the pools to be closed. I can imagine on a cruise ship with the different food & water, motion sickness, schedule changes, etc that these sorts of problems with the kiddos could be an issue.
Even with a great filtration system - our pool has had to close a few times for #2 accidents so that they could flush the system, shock the water with chemicals, etc. I don't know anything about the systems on cruise ships - I wonder why they are so different?

3xthecharm
07-19-2005, 07:45 PM
Completely trained to me means about a month without a pee accident and several months without a poop accident. IMHO

I think the accidents in most pools is due to those that lie and/or a child that is not taken to the bathroom more frequently than they normally would at home. Kids get playing and don't realize that they have to go until it is too late.

I recommend taking a trained child to the bathroom before swimming and then atlest every half hour.

PS My daughter and two sons were all trained by 1.75 years old. They would have died if they had to wear rubber pants or a swimmy until they were 3 let alone 4. Besides, as others have mentioned these things do not "contain" the problem. :teeth: