Death at CR 06/05

[yensid2005]

Given the very serious nature of this topic, I am more than a little hesitant to post this, but I am searching for any info on a death that occurred at the CR Saturday evening/Sunday morning. We were located on the 7th floor in the tower and there was an altercation in a room on the 8th floor. I am not sure how many people were in the room when the "incident" happened, but I believe there were only two. At approx. 3:30am a man either fell/jumped or was pushed from the room balcony on the 8th floor. The authorities were called and he was pronounced dead. Me and my family were there and we witnessed these events. Disney erected a small "tent" around the body and the investigation continued until approx. 8:00 or 9:00 am before the body was finally removed. As you can imagine, this very much traumatized us and we stayed one more day, but we couldn't escape the memory of the events that we witnessed. Then we checked out Monday morning cutting our vacation short.

Does any one have any info concerning this? I purchased the Orlando sentinel Monday morning, and I was shocked that there was no mention of this in the paper!

I am now home and I tried to search the internet with my limited ability, but I have found no mention of any death at the CR!

If anyone has any information regarding this, Please help me "fill in the blanks". Why was this not in the paper?

Thank You

[Feralpeg]

I heard nothing about it on any of the Orlando news reports.

[Sirius]

I haven't seen anything about it anywhere. I think you'd get a better response on the community board.

I'll keep looking... :)

[CharityLynn]

Wow, I am so sorry that you have to have this memory as a part pf your stay at Disney. Not sure why it hasn't been mentioned..

[TinkerBellz33]

I am also sorry that you and your family now have this as a part of your vacation memories.

[jctwizzer]

Just wondering how you "witnessed" something that happened at 3 a.m.

[Happy Birthday Cat]

If this had indeed happened, it would have been all over the national news, not just the local Orlando news. There has been nothing on it. Sorry but I don't buy the story.

HBC

[caribear]

I saw this mentioned on another board. Disney is quick to cover up incidents that would be high profile. I do not think you will be able to find much information.

[Sammie]

Not sure what you saw, but I find it hard to believe any investigation would leave a body lying on the scene for almost 6 hours.

[ExPirateShopGirl]

I love wild first posts....

:earseek:

[FirstNo]

If this had indeed happened, it would have been all over the national news, not just the local Orlando news. There has been nothing on it. Sorry but I don't buy the story.

HBC

An incident did happen at the CR that resulted in the death of a guest. I *thought* we were told it was a suicide, but don't quote me on it. That was all the info I had on it. I had heard it was on one of the early AM news stations that Sun, but I was still asleep. Disney is very good keeping certain things quiet.

[FirstNo]

Not sure what you saw, but I find it hard to believe any investigation would leave a body lying on the scene for almost 6 hours.

You don't watch much CSI, do you?? :crazy:

[zdesiree]

I heard that Disney covers those stories, that most of the accidents or deaths that happens inside are invisible for the public.

[yensid2005]

jctwizzer, I was awakened by the altercation that happened in the room. The vibrations literally "vibrated" the lamp fixture in my room.

Happy Birthday Cat, I don't understand it either, But I know what I saw.

Sammie, I know almost nothing about police protocol in these situations. I do know that the "tent" was gone by 8:00 or 9:00 am. At that time there was a white cloth still covering the spot were the body had been.

caribear, I wish I knew what board you are refering to.

FWIW I gave 2 verbal statements, 1 written statement and 1 recorded statement testifying to what I witnessed regarding this event. The last person that interviewed me was a homicide detective. I just can't believe that something such as this can happen on Disney property without any mention in the news.

I am still looking for info. If this was a suicide, I don't believe that I will have to testify any further. If it was a homicide, I may be required to go back for a trial???

[FirstNo]

Given the very serious nature of this topic, I am more than a little hesitant to post this, but I am searching for any info on a death that occurred at the CR Saturday evening/Sunday morning. We were located on the 7th floor in the tower and there was an altercation in a room on the 8th floor. I am not sure how many people were in the room when the "incident" happened, but I believe there were only two. At approx. 3:30am a man either fell/jumped or was pushed from the room balcony on the 8th floor. The authorities were called and he was pronounced dead. Me and my family were there and we witnessed these events. Disney erected a small "tent" around the body and the investigation continued until approx. 8:00 or 9:00 am before the body was finally removed. As you can imagine, this very much traumatized us and we stayed one more day, but we couldn't escape the memory of the events that we witnessed. Then we checked out Monday morning cutting our vacation short.

Does any one have any info concerning this? I purchased the Orlando sentinel Monday morning, and I was shocked that there was no mention of this in the paper!

I am now home and I tried to search the internet with my limited ability, but I have found no mention of any death at the CR!

If anyone has any information regarding this, Please help me "fill in the blanks". Why was this not in the paper?

Thank You

It's not the first suicide or death on the property and it won't be the last.

Now, I imagine it was a huge jolt to see whatever it was that you saw (police, medical examiner, blood...). I know every time I pass a nasty accident on the highway it gives me a reality check that you can go at any time.

After having read your second post, I now see why you're asking questions. I would imagine that if they needed you to come back down, you'll get a phone call and a subpeona (sp?). Other than the memories, I wouldn't be concerned about it unless they actually contact you (little comfort that it is).

[yensid2005]

FirstNo, I don't watch it, But my wife does.


ExPirateShopGirl, I have posted here for years. I created a new identity because I don't want my main identity assosiated with this. The other "surviving" male occupant of the room was much larger and stronger than me.

[yensid2005]

FirstNo, I just can't believe there can be a violent death/suicide/homicide on Disney property and it gets no news coverage.

[FirstNo]

FirstNo, I just can't believe there can be a violent death/suicide/homicide on Disney property and it gets no news coverage.

Can't say it happens all the time (because it doesn't), but yes, Disney is BIG here. And, with the time of the day (night) it happened, it's not hard to keep it quiet.

I imagine if it had been 7pm, with people coming and going, then it would have been in the news as guests would have whipped out their cell phones and started taking pictures and making phone calls. I have no doubt some of they would have sold those pics to news agencies or offered to be interviewed about the "harrowing scene" so they could be on tv.

I think time of day has a LOT to do with how much and how quickly it gets into the local and mainstream news. :)

[jctwizzer]

FirstNo, I just can't believe there can be a violent death/suicide/homicide on Disney property and it gets no news coverage.

Especially with the Orlando Sentinel standing around just waiting to make another high profile report on Disney operations. Nixon couldn't cover it up; Clinton couldn't cover it up; the skyway death was reported; the alleged gropping incident by Tigger was all over the news; I doubt if Disney would or could cover up something like this...if nothing else too many people who like to see their name in print would know about it.....JMHO

[FirstNo]

FirstNo, I don't watch it, But my wife does.


Yensid, you ought to give it a whirl. Interesting show. I think the original is the best out of that trio and Navy NCIS is just as good. I realize it is tv, but I've also watched similar shows (real life) on the Discovery or Learning channels. Depending on different factors, it can be many hours before the body is finally removed from the crime scene.

[yensid2005]

jctwizzer, I don't see how it could not be in the news either. That is part of the reason I am so mystified by this. There was a full ambulance crew there, Myself, at least four squad cars, Many Disney security people. I just don't get it.

[scoutsmom99]

I saw this mentioned on another board. Disney is quick to cover up incidents that would be high profile. I do not think you will be able to find much information.


I think I know the board you are talking about and I read about this there last night (6/6). Very sad :(

[Dizneeforus]

This event did happen. We have a family member who is a CM. CM's were told it was a suicide. I can see easily how / why Disney would keep this quiet. Disney is a 'fantasyland', a get-a-way, idylic vacation spot. It was a suicide, so it's not as if there was some sort of liability for the Disney Company. But it certainly can, as the original poster stated, be disheartening and disturbing for guests.

[TMM]

Not sure what you saw, but I find it hard to believe any investigation would leave a body lying on the scene for almost 6 hours.

6 hours is not a long time. There is so much procedure involved in a death investigation.

When I was in college a student jumped from his dorm window. His body lay in direct view from my dorm window. He was only covered with a sheet and was there for at least 12 hours before removed. Many students complained and were told this had to be until the police finshed. That was 12 years ago and I remember the image vividly. I can undertsand the original poster being traumatized.

[yensid2005]

Can someone please help me find the "other" board that this is being discussed on?

Thank You

[yensid2005]

I think I found the "other" forum.

[mamalle]

Im so sorry for you all. Im sure Disney tries to keep things under wrap since its the most magical place on earth but things happen like this can happen anywhere when it involves alcohol, mental illness, etc. as far as crime scenes- they have to keep everything as is until they get all the info and pics they need- that is standard everywhere. how disturbing though for you all- kinda brings you back to reality.

found this showing how Disney goes to all lengths to keep things quiet

This was one of the incidences that finally had a huge impact on the way Disney did business with the public:
On Aug. 31, 1994, Disney security guards spotted two teens goofing around on a walkway of the Contemporary Resort. When spotted, they ran and were seen leaving in a pick up. A Disney guard pursued the truck at speeds of up to 80 mph even though they LEFT the park and were outside of Disney property and jurisdiction. The truck crashed, killing 18 year old Robb Sipkema. In Florida, highway deaths are investigated by the Highway Patrol. Disney refused to allow them to interview the woman "security hostess" who drove the van chasing the teens. Disney also would not release the transcripts of the radio conversation taking place between this guard and the dispatcher during the chase. The parents of Robb Sipkema sued. Even though the 'security hostess' was not a law enforcement officer, Orange County Judge Belvin Perry, Jr. said Disney had a 'private security arrangement' - in essence a contract with itself - and the Highway Patrol would not be allowed access to "internal company documents". Appeals led to the State Attorney General who said that although Disney Security perform only 'basic night watchman duties', which would NOT include high speed chases off Disney property, the Sipkemas ended up dropping the lawsuit due to total uncooperation by Disney. However, because of the suit, Disney Security Guard vans changed their Mars lights from red (like police) to amber; and they were no longer permitted to use "regular law enforcement" lingo and codes when talking to dispatchers. In other words, stop pretending they were actual police.

[mom_rules]

Yikes!

[jctwizzer]

[QUOTE=Dizneeforus]This event did happen. We have a family member who is a CM. CM's were told it was a suicide. I can see easily how / why Disney would keep this quiet. "

Don't you find it peculiar that, with about 60,000 employees on site---not all of whom are enchanted by the mouse---and with a large hotel full of other guests....absolutely no one but the OP has made mentioned of the incident. I consider that virtually impossible no matter how much Disney might want to cover something up

[yensid2005]

jctwizzer, I understand completely. That is why I am so mystified by this. But I have found a thread on another board from another guest that was contacted by the police regarding this. It did happen. Maybe I should have taken pictures????

[maryliz]

If it has been ruled as a suicide, there's no reason to report it. It's nobody's business. I feel sorry for those guests that witnessed the surrounding events, but I don't think it's necessary to blast that kind of news in the papers and on TV. Maybe someone somewhere in the media had the good conscience to let the surviving family deal with this in peace. It's NOT news ... it's a sad situation that the people left behind have to deal with.

To insinuate that because it wasn't all over the TV, the OP must be making up this story is just plain rude. Yep, we have lots of trolls on these boards, but what would be the point of making up such a story.

Just MHO.

MaryLiz

[Plus4206]

I have read that if someone dies on Disney property - say from a heart attack, the body isn't pronounced dead until it has been removed to an off property location such as Sand Lake or Celebration Hospital.

[k_k_100]

I have to agree w/ maryliz - If it was a suicide it proably wouldn't be all over the paper. In a town the size of Orlando I imagine suicides are not "big news" even if they happen at Disney.

yensid2005 - What did the staff at the Contemporary do for you? Did they offer to move you to another resort? What did they say when you checked out early?

I'm sorry this happened on your vacation - It must have been horrible.

[missypie]

Don't know whether to belive this one or not. We were at the CR then. WE sure didn't see a tent or notice anything odd. However, we were staying on the 5th floor, bay side, and decided to ride the monorail to the MK, so we didn't go downstairs at all. If it happened, sure glad we didn't see it.

[Lewisc]

I agree a suicide wouldn't be big news, certainly not national news and Disney might have enough influence to have the Orlando Sentinel bury the story. Not so much of a cover up as how newsworthy a suicide is. It wouldn't have made the paper the next day and a 2 day old suicide really isn't that newsworthy. Particularly if there aren't any pictures available and if there aren't any details available about the deceased.

John Doe jumping out of the Contemporay with no other details really wouln't make for much of a story.

[DawnCt1]

If this had indeed happened, it would have been all over the national news, not just the local Orlando news. There has been nothing on it. Sorry but I don't buy the story.

HBC

Because you weren't informed you don't think it happened? That's strange. :rolleyes:

[Plus4206]

Not too long ago one of Disney's resort buses burned to the ground on World Drive ( least I think it was WD ). It never made national news.

[Mickmse2002]

Florida must be a completely different state than I am used to if it has been "ruled" anything. In Michigan, this would still be under investigation as a suspicious death/homicide until after a complete autopsy was condcuted, the police report finished, toxicology reports returned, etc. It is too soon after the alleged incident to be ruled anything.

[yensid2005]

missypie, I doubt many people seen the tent or noticed it if they did see it. It is the same structures Disney commonly use to "close off" work or activity that may be going on that they want to shield from public view. I have seen these structures many times on Disney property.


k_k_100, I don't hold the CR responsible for what happened. But, they do know we stay at the CR every year for 12 years. As far as I am concerned, they didn't do anything to help us at all. They insisted that we move to a different room (wich we gladly did) but after that there was no help moving rooms, no one asked us how we were doing, they didn't even help with the luggage transfer. I believe they could have done something small to try to help salvage our vacation, a fruit basket or maybe a dinner comped. They did nothing. No one even told us they were sorry for what happened. I was up all night with the police. My wife was up most of the night. I believe she did doze off at about 6:30 or so. My son slept through most of it, up until the time the police started to i assume "re-enact" everything above us in the room. That is what it sounded like to me.

If they would have done any little gesture, we would have felt like they cared. They did nothing.

When I checked out, there was a one night credit on our account for what they refered to as "an incident".

I actually think they were happy to see us go. It was one more link to this death that was gone.

[yensid2005]

mickmse2002, Thank you, My sentiments exactly.

[Ted and Holly]

missypie, I doubt many people seen the tent or noticed it if they did see it. It is the same structures Disney commonly use to "close off" work or activity that may be going on that they want to shield from public view. I have seen these structures many times on Disney property.


k_k_100, I don't hold the CR responsible for what happened. But, they do know we stay at the CR every year for 12 years. As far as I am concerned, they didn't do anything to help us at all. They insisted that we move to a different room (wich we gladly did) but after that there was no help moving rooms, no one asked us how we were doing, they didn't even help with the luggage transfer. I believe they could have done something small to try to help salvage our vacation, a fruit basket or maybe a dinner comped. They did nothing. No one even told us they were sorry for what happened. I was up all night with the police. My wife was up most of the night. I believe she did doze off at about 6:30 or so. My son slept through most of it, up until the time the police started to i assume "re-enact" everything above us in the room. That is what it sounded like to me.

If they would have done any little gesture, we would have felt like they cared. They did nothing.

When I checked out, there was a one night credit on our account for what they refered to as "an incident".

I actually think they were happy to see us go. It was one more link to this death that was gone.

This sounds like a really traumatic experience, but it soinds like they did a "small gesture", they did not charge you for the terrible night.

If you see a car accident and it affects you emotionally, are you going to ask that the city or state do something nice for you?

Maybe I am missing the point.

Ted

[missypie]

I didn't find the CR CMs to be overly friendly or "Disney". Seems like they would have made a gesture of trying to transfer you to another hotel, then left it up to you as to whether you wanted to do it or not.

[Kim in TN]

What a terrible thing to have experienced especially while on vacation :guilty:

[Sarangel]

I'd heard the rumor that this happened, but haven't been able to verify it (which is why I didn't post it). What I heard was that it was a suicide, but I imagine that yensid2005 will hear from authorities if it turns out to have been something else...

Yensid2005, please accept my sympathies at having to be witness to such an event.

Sarangel

[Jackie H.]

This is so horrible. I am very sorry this happened to your family. You say your son didn't see anything? Did he hear about it? I guess it was impossible to keep the whole thing from him, but I hope you were/are able to.

I am not a policeman or any type of law enforcement person (and I don't even watch CSI), but there was person who commited suicide on the steps of a police station in Birmingham, AL recently and the body was there for several hours - I am thinking about 8-10 hours - while the police officers did whatever it is they have to do. I DO work for a news radio station and we had reporters on this story and the body really did stay out there for that long. This along with the other posts on this site lead me to believe this is not really that unsual, unfortunately.

[KristinU]

I'm not surprised that there isn't any coverage if it was a suicide, like a PP said the lack of coverage is respectful to the victim's family. This stirred up a memory for me: we were camping a couple of years ago in Vermont when a hiking trail along a river gorge was closed in one direction just as we were headed down it. A couple of citizens stopped us and told us it was closed and that officials were on their way and that there had been an accident. It was a very busy trail on a weekend so lots of hikers were talking as they met up on the trail and rumors were flying about a body. Then we did see emergency officials heading down the trail on their ATVs. It turned out that a man had committed suicide by jumping off a bridge a bit up-stream and his body had washed ashore. Very sad. Even though we didn't actually see anything it was really unsettling and I thought about it for weeks afterwards (and searched online for more info - and found nothing, similar to this incident) yensid2005, I can understand why you were really upset by this experience...what you saw and heard was very sad and much more intense than my experience. I hope you're able to get some closure to the whole situation soon.

[pattyivtoo]

I work at the Disney reservation center. On Monday morning we had a "Reactive statement" to give out if anyone called and asked. They said it was a suicide

[pattyivtoo]

[QUOTE=Dizneeforus]This event did happen. We have a family member who is a CM. CM's were told it was a suicide. I can see easily how / why Disney would keep this quiet. "

Don't you find it peculiar that, with about 60,000 employees on site---not all of whom are enchanted by the mouse---and with a large hotel full of other guests....absolutely no one but the OP has made mentioned of the incident. I consider that virtually impossible no matter how much Disney might want to cover something up

No not peculiar at all. I am a CM it DID happen

[kerrynic78]

I can't imagine going to a place like the CR, while on vacation to comit suicide, but then again I have no idea what is going through a person's head when they decide to do this. So sad.

[Luv2Roam]

Yeah, I heard (very little) about this late Sunday. I did not want to mention it and figured it would be posted here soon enough. As someone else mentioned there was a blurb of a suicide at 4:00 a.m. at the Cont.
I looked a few times in the Orlando paper and saw no mention. Supposedly this incident was on the early Sunday morning TV news.

[Luv2Roam]

mmm... When was it -- just a few years ago when there were two suicides fairly close together in time at WDW?
One was the man who had a fight with his wife while staying at the Poly I think. His body was found in Seven Seas Lagoon, and his clothes on the beach.
And not long after that someone purposely jumped onto the monorail track from outside their room at the Cont.

[Maria395712]

disney keeps everything quiet. my friends were at key west a few years ago and a young woman was murdered by the woods and he saw all the police and next morning everything was gone he asked CM's and no one talked, all police tape and everytjing was gone never read anything or even if they caught who did it . he witnessed all the police activy so it is no urban legend he still thinks about it and we just talked about how they cover everything they can

[yensid2005]

I would like to thank everyone who responded to this. This has been haunting me since it happened. I know what I saw and what I heard that night. From my point of view.. everyone was ruling this a suicide virtually 30 minutes after it happened. There are definitley scenarios to sustantiate a struggle followed by a suicide. I am relieved that it was nothing more.

Thanks to all who helped.

[Jennasis]

I must disagree with the posters who said that a suicide is not news (or national news). Having worked as both a cameraman and occassional reporter/writer for MANY years at a 24 hour cable news station, I will tell you that not only is a suicide news, it is ESPECIALLY news when it happens at a place like Disneyworld. I am surprised it wasn't covered further even with Disney's well known story squashing ability. The fact that it happened on a weekend and in the middle of the night is likely why it was so easily hushed.

It may have been "ruled" a suicide so quickly if someone (other than the individual in the room with the victim) saw the man actually jump.

Very sad.

[ColoradoBelle1]

Yensid2005,
I am so sorry that you had to witness this death at a place of magical moments for you and your family. I can understand why it was so upsetting, especially when it reeked of 'coverup' after you heard 'an altercation' in the room above you.

I hope that you can resolve it in your own mind...that it was indeed a sad suicide; that the altercation was because someone was trying to prevent another from taking his life. But if you have any misgivings that that was the case from what you heard, then you might want to call whomever you gave a report to on-scene.

I can understand why Disney tried to downplay the 'accident'. I'm sure that is why the didn't really do or say anything to you...because the CMs were probably told from 'above' how to react to any questions. Caught in the middle if you will. I too believe that they should have offered to move you to another resort. I think I would have asked them that had it been me.

I hope that with time you can resolve your feelings and issues because of this event that certainly traumatized you and your family.

Hanname

[Feralpeg]

Not to sound callous, but I'm not sure that Disney didn't do enough for you. I totally understand how upset you were. I was the witness to a suicide from the top of our office building about ten years ago. It was horrible. That being said, they did move you to a different room and give you a comp for one night. From experience I can tell you that even if they had moved you to another hotel, it wouldn't have helped your mood. It took me several weeks to get over having witnessed what I saw.

I also saw a horrible accident at a water park a few years back. It really made me sick. I couldn't stop thinking about it. However, I didn't expect the water park to do anything for me. It was terrible for everyone involved, including the water park. Sadly, things happen. At some point in everyone's life, they are probably going to witness something extremely upsetting. That doesn't mean that the place where it happens owes us anything. Disney couldn't have done anything to prevent what happened. Why should they pay for it?

As far as covering it up, of course they did. Who would be happy knowing about something like that happening during their vacation or even prior to their staying there. I bet there have been a bunch of deaths at WDW over the many years. I wouldn't want to know that someone had died in my room.

I apologize if this sounds heartless. I really don't mean it that way. I just don't think that you should be upset with Disney.

[rocketriter]

The intensity (perfectly justified) of the OP's unhappy reaction to this event explains why Disney doesn't expose guests to death when they can avoid it. Something that can disturb an adult for days is not the kind of experience they want grown-ups to have at the parks--let alone children.

It's not a cover-up; the police were informed properly and the press has access to police records if they're doing their job. Disney doesn't owe anyone a press release or media announcement about something like this. And how does the public benefit from this story, anyway? I'd feel differently if this were a matter of Disney's fault, bad design, safety, public nuisance or negligence. But a suicide?

[Happy Birthday Cat]

My apologies to yensid2005 for doubting the story. Between it being your first post (under this name) and no news coverage, it had the feeling of someone starting a rumor. I'm sorry you had to deal with this at all and wish you the best.

HBC

[raidermatt]

The only thing I can see that Disney probably should have done for the OP that they didn't is helped with the luggage transfer. Certainly if I were told I was required to change rooms I would expect them to move my luggage for me, regardless of the reason for the move.


As for the lack of publicity, I had always thought the authorities didn't like a lot of publicity for suicides in highly visible venues. No need to give anybody else the idea that place "X" is a good place to do the deed. I'm pretty sure I heard that's the case with the Golden Gate Bridge.

[Dznefreek]

Ahh the Circle of Life.

[tone.def]

[QUOTE=Jennasis]I must disagree with the posters who said that a suicide is not news (or national news). Having worked as both a cameraman and occassional reporter/writer for MANY years at a 24 hour cable news station, I will tell you that not only is a suicide news, it is ESPECIALLY news when it happens at a place like Disneyworld. I am surprised it wasn't covered further even with Disney's well known story squashing ability. The fact that it happened on a weekend and in the middle of the night is likely why it was so easily hushed.QUOTE]

I work as a news editor at a 24 hour national television news service. We never broadcast suicides - doesn't matter where/when. There's a jumper weekly in the Toronto subway system - it's not even in the paper anymore.

[Ducky4Disney]

So sorry you had to experience that, but if you witnessed it, then what are you looking for here? You just want to see it confirmed? If I had seen that I would never want to hear of it again, let alone have people around the country hear of it.

I can also understand why other posters doubted you. First post for this name, but you've posted lots of other times under another name, and don't know about the community board? It seemed odd.

D4D

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Not too long ago one of Disney's resort buses burned to the ground on World Drive ( least I think it was WD ). It never made national news.

A cruise ship bus burned to a crisp on 528 and it was all over the local news. It only makes national headlines if people would have died. Noone did, they were transported to the cruise in time and all their luggage had been transported separately--so not one single person lost so much as a swim suit.

[VowRenewal05Bride]

I'm really sorry you had to witness such an unfortunate event. After reading the post I "google" the story. There is a story about a suicide at CS. The details do coincide with your account.
http://www.trendyblog.com/

[mom_rules]

Thanks for posting. It is really sad when a person is in such dispair that they feel they have no alternative but to end their life. Our sympathies to the family. It is a very unfortunate thing when you have to experience something like this at the "happiest place on earth". Hopefully, time will heal.

[wdw4us2]

mmm... When was it -- just a few years ago when there were two suicides fairly close together in time at WDW?
One was the man who had a fight with his wife while staying at the Poly I think. His body was found in Seven Seas Lagoon, and his clothes on the beach.
And not long after that someone purposely jumped onto the monorail track from outside their room at the Cont.

We were at WDW when the incident on the monorail track took place. We had just arrived at the Contemporary for pin trading night (Friday) and the Orange County Sheriff's Office was still onsite. We used valet parking, and no CM's said a thing about it.

We didn't find out what happened until we were at the Pin Station. I asked one of our friends what happened, and they said someone had jumped and died, but they didn't know anything else about it. There was no "official" explanation from anyone at that time.

I am sorry for the OP, I believe this type of thing can stay with you for a long time. :worried:

[Greg K.]

I'm reminded of a story I read in one of the guidebooks (UG??) that described the great lengths Disney castmembers will go to make guests feel happy and carefree.

It involved an accident (or suicide?) much like the one the OP described: someone in the CR plummeting several stories to his death. That incident, it's said, happened in full view of many guests, during a busier time of day. People gasped in horror when it happened, but a quick-thinking castmember ran over to see if the poor soul survived. It was clear to everyone that he didn't. But the ever-cheerful Disney employee called out to the shocked throng of gawkers: "It's okay, everyone! He's just resting!"

[julia & nicks mom]

I am sorry that this ruined your vacation and I would have been very upset as well -

did you call bell services and ask them to help you move your luggage? if not - how would they have known you wanted help - I have moved rooms before and bell services came quickly to assist!

[yensid2005]

Hopefully this will be my last post...

Everything I posted on both boards regarding this is 100% factual. I also intentionally left out many details regarding what we witnessed. Wether or not everyone here agrees with my tactics... It "worked" for me. I have recieved a wealth of information both publically and privately regarding this tragedy. Because of this information, I have been able to piece together most of the sight's, sounds and voices into a very plausable scenario involving a struggle and a suicide. I truly believe this to be the case.

I would sincerely like to thank everyone that helped me with this. Whithout these forums, I can't imagine how else I could have aquired this information.

Finally, I would like to publicaly give my condolences to all the family and friends of the gentleman that lost his life, My heart goes out to you all.

Goodbye.....

[Ducky4Disney]

What?! I still don't understand what he was looking for? He was there! He brought it to our attention, why did he need us to piece it together for him? This cries foul, says I.

D4D

[pattyivtoo]

What?! I still don't understand what he was looking for? He was there! He brought it to our attention, why did he need us to piece it together for him? This cries foul, says I.

D4D

well I do know that there was an apparent suicide at the CR last sunday night/monday morning around 4am. I work at the reservation center and we were given a "reactive" statement to give any guests who called asking about it

[DebbieB]

What?! I still don't understand what he was looking for? He was there! He brought it to our attention, why did he need us to piece it together for him? This cries foul, says I.

D4D

It looks like to me that on the original post, the OP did not know if it was murder or suicide. That's why he was asking if anyone else heard about it. Another post he mentioned wondering if he would be called to tesify (if it was a murder). Fortunately, due to this thread, he got the answer.

[Lebjwb]

I've been in Hotel Operations for 30+ years. FWIW:

1.) Suicides at resorts/hotels are more common then you think.

2.) A suicide...murdering yourself, is considered a homicide and is investigated as such. It is illegal to kill yourself...I know that sounds stupid but a person that attempts suicide is subject to criminal prosecution. (And if that sounds strange, the death certificates of persons who are executed list homicide as cause of death.)

3.) An unattended death. The deceased passes while not under the supervision of a Doctor, is considered a criminal investigation until cleared by the Medical Examiner no matter how "obvious" the cause of death may appear.

In both the above situations the area where the death has occured is a crime scene until it is declared otherwise by the ME. No objects may be moved or removed, including the deceased. The area must be kept secure and a log is to be kept indicating who has entered/exited the area and at what time.

4.) To the extent of my experience with this, News agencies rarely will pursue a story of suicide out of respect to the family. This leads me to believe that the incident at Disney was indeed a suicide and thus the lack of news coverage.

[newtowdw1]

What?! I still don't understand what he was looking for? He was there! He brought it to our attention, why did he need us to piece it together for him? This cries foul, says I.

D4D
People who have experienced tragedies frequently need to talk about it...preferably with someone compassionate and empathetic. :rolleyes:
I can understand his need to validate his experience. It's like driving by a shocking sight, turning to your companion, and saying, "Did you see THAT!!!" :earseek: Totally understandable, IMHO

[ForTheLoveofDisney]

People who have experienced tragedies frequently need to talk about it...preferably with someone compassionate and empathetic. :rolleyes:
I can understand his need to validate his experience. It's like driving by a shocking sight, turning to your companion, and saying, "Did you see THAT!!!" :earseek: Totally understandable, IMHO

I agree. I feel he came here looking for support and a place to share such a traumatic experience with people who would give understanding attention. It's been proven that it did happened and I am truly sorry for what the OP had to experience.

[Disney Doll]

It's a shame something like this happened, but unfortunately when people get that depressed, there's no stopping them sometimes.

I don't like the insinuation of "cover-up". Would you prefer they told every guest about it and made the area into a new attraction? Some poor soul decided to end their life. They treated it with privacy. I'd appreciate that if it were my family member, and would prefer that their last moments alive not be broadcast over the national news because it happened at WDW.

As far as what WDW could por should "do" for the OP...changing rooms and comping a night's stay seemed pretty good to me. Amazing that for all the OP's "upsetment", they are able to come out of their horror long enough to decide that WDW didn't "do" enough for them for having witnessed this. :rolleyes: Perhaps WDW can be sued for "mental anguish"????

[C.Ann]

I think a few posters here owe you an apology.. They basically came right out and called you a liar without even waiting for someone to post who would have the answer you were looking for - "murder or suicide".. :sad2:

Anyhow - I'm sorry your vacation was so upsetting.. Hopefully you can return to WDW at another time and have a much more pleasant experience.. :flower:

[rapriebe]

What?! I still don't understand what he was looking for? He was there! He brought it to our attention, why did he need us to piece it together for him? This cries foul, says I.

D4D

The attitude of numerous posters on this board are appalling. Why do you automatically assume that the OP is lying or trying to pull something over on someone. They witnessed a tragic event and just needed to get more information and possibly get some perspective on the situation. Some people use a "shrink", others talk to friends and some use the Disboards. It seems to me that there are alot of posters that need to practice having some compassion towards other people.

[tinkerbellmagic]

I totally agree with the post quoted below and rapriebe's post above. My heart goes out to the original poster and his family and for the poor soul who died. Thank you for sharing your story with us. I can't imagine how traumatic it was for everyone involved.
Tink


I think a few posters here owe you an apology.. They basically came right out and called you a liar without even waiting for someone to post who would have the answer you were looking for - "murder or suicide".. :sad2:

Anyhow - I'm sorry your vacation was so upsetting.. Hopefully you can return to WDW at another time and have a much more pleasant experience.. :flower:

[reedycreek]

i was there when this happened, but heard nothing about it until reading the OP. disney is real good about keeping this stuff hush hush. there is a book out there that details a lot of bad things that happen at disney parks (deaths, abuductions, etc). its called DISNEY; THE MOUSE BETRAYED. interesting reading. however, i no longer wish to hear about bad things at disney, it just takes the magic away everytime, i choose to ignore it all, as disney is my escape from reality.

[mking624]

There are a couple of things that come to mind when reading about this...

The first is my honeymoon. When we were there, there was an incident going on and we had no idea what it was. It was at the Boardwalk and many of the guests had been asked to stay away from there temporarily. They had no idea what was going on. We saw several of them ask CMs all over what was going on. Pretty much all of them were clueless (since Disney only shares info on a "need to know" basis...so park CMs wouldn't have been considered "need to know"). It wasn't until after the incident had been settled that we discovered what was going on...it was a hostage situation. A disgruntled husband (possibly ex) was holding his kids hostage at the Boardwalk where his wife worked in housecleaning. We weren't staying at BW, but we only knew there was something going on because of the BW guests that kept pressing CMs about what was going on. Most of the WDW guests had no clue.

The second incident that comes to mind is not Disney related, but the scenario is similar. My MIL used to work for this one high school outside Chicago. At a graduation party, something happened at a hotel where a young graduate either jumped or was pushed off a high balcony at a known hotel. I am not familiar with the entire story, but I do know that it wasn't covered by ANYONE and the hotel made no statements or anything to be released. The entire thing was kept incredibly hush hush to the point where even most of the school employees who had been chaperoning the party didn't have many details. This happened about 3 or 4 years ago.

My point is that no matter where an incident occurs, Disney or otherwise, places know very well how how to keep it quiet, even from those who are riht in the area.

[Beachangel]

FirstNo, I don't watch it, But my wife does.


ExPirateShopGirl, I have posted here for years. I created a new identity because I don't want my main identity assosiated with this. The other "surviving" male occupant of the room was much larger and stronger than me.


I didn't read thru this whole thread, but based on this OP's remark, I'm skeptical of the story.

[Luv2Roam]

No reason to be skeptical. I have no reason to doubt what the OP posted. It sounds plausible since the suicide did occur.

[Laurabearz]

I am so sorry your vacation will have this memory in it.


As far as Disney covering things up like this... I can beleive it. Heck, someone died on Castaway Cay on Disney's West Coast Panama Canal crossing and not a word in the press about that..... not even a thread here on the DIS about it.....

[C.Ann]

I didn't read thru this whole thread, but based on this OP's remark, I'm skeptical of the story.
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Why would you make a remark like that without having taken the time to read through the entire thread to see if the incident had occured? :confused3

[dzneprincess]

I am so sorry your vacation will have this memory in it.


As far as Disney covering things up like this... I can beleive it. Heck, someone died on Castaway Cay on Disney's West Coast Panama Canal crossing and not a word in the press about that..... not even a thread here on the DIS about it.....

There were many threads about it over on the cruise boards, but I still do not think an official word has been sent out on exactly what happened on CC.

[littlegreydonkey]

re the hostage incident above, we were in Orlando at the time, staying down on 192 and that one was on TV live, hmm at last a benefit of staying offsite.

[yensid2005]

One more quick "Thank You" to all the
Helpfull" post's.

As for the skeptic's... Please keep in mind that no one here know's wat we heard or saw. From our point of view, I INITIALLY had a difficult time with the "Suicide" theory. I now believe that I was wrong. I only came here for information and I recieved all that I needed to piece everything together.

AS far as this tragedy being newsworthy.. I am a product of a very small community. I have lived in my home town for my entire life. EVERYTHING is newsworthy here. As an example, Last weekemd there was an OLD, EMPTY, SINGLE CAR garage that accidently caught fire and burned to the ground. It was front page news with a large picture, full story and an interview with the police stateing that no charges would be filed.

I assumed that this tragedy would be newsworthy.. It would have been in my community, but I now know that it is not reported in larger communities.

Thanks to all.....

[Beachangel]

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Why would you make a remark like that without having taken the time to read through the entire thread to see if the incident had occured? :confused3

After I posted I did go back and read thru the entire thread including a post which included the blog entry regarding a love triangle gone awry. I guess the remark that the OP made on page 2 about hiding his identity from "the other man" odd and I reacted.

[tinkerbellmagic]

As far as Disney covering things up like this... I can beleive it. Heck, someone died on Castaway Cay on Disney's West Coast Panama Canal crossing and not a word in the press about that..... not even a thread here on the DIS about it.....

There were many threads about it over on the cruise boards, but I still do not think an official word has been sent out on exactly what happened on CC.

Sorry for going off topic, but I have tried to search other cruise boards (I usually only use this one, so not sure how many others there are) and I cannot find any information about a death on Castaway Cay. If someone could pm me a link or starting point, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Tink

[MickeyCrazed]

I understand why people initially thought your story was fake. There always seems to be someone trying to stir things up on these boards.
I hope you don't take those comments personally, and I sure feel for you.
What you witnessed would be really distressing and definately put a damper on the Magic.
I don't think the OP was being unreasonable by saying the CR staff wasn't really helpful. I'm not saying I would expect a free vacation or anything, but I would expect a little attention and understanding about what I witnessed.
It wouldn't have been unreasonable to offer to allow the OP the opportunity to to change resorts instead of just moving to another room.

[yensid2005]

MickeyCrazed, Thank You very much.. These are my thoughts exactly.

[disneygoof]

I work as a news editor at a 24 hour national television news service. We never broadcast suicides - doesn't matter where/when. There's a jumper weekly in the Toronto subway system - it's not even in the paper anymore.

I do remember learning somewhere that this is considered unwritten policy in most news media outlets due to the problem of copycats or serial suicides occurring, especially with the young. It does seem private to me as well.

Also, I'd venture a guess that there are cameras in the lobby of the CR and that would provide some pretty conclusive evidence as to whether it was suicide or foul play.

I don't think you'll be summonsed back, yensid2005, and I'm sorry for the trouble you witnessed.

[Alicnwondrln]

what an awful situation
i also soemthing a couple of days ago on another board but was like wow i would have thought it would be everywherelinks have been provided here and CM's have confirmed it so if you still think its a fake story i dont knwo whats wrong with you
an some people owe the OP a sorry
you know who you are

[Acklander]

I don't think the OP was being unreasonable by saying the CR staff wasn't really helpful. I'm not saying I would expect a free vacation or anything, but I would expect a little attention and understanding about what I witnessed.
It wouldn't have been unreasonable to offer to allow the OP the opportunity to to change resorts instead of just moving to another room.

While I don't think it's unreasonable to offer the OP the opportunity to change resorts we have to remember it was probably a bit of a trauma for the staff as well. Between dealing with police, investigators, family/friends of the victim, erecting/taking down tents, plus filling out their own witness statements, incident reports etc.... I can understand where a few things get over looked. Aren't many of the CM's college kids? I'm sure this was a first for a lot of people.
If I was the OP, what I would do is contact Disney and explain out the whole situation and see if Disney can help in anyway so that the family can have their vacation at a future date. Since the OP has to pay for travel expenses to/from Disney all over again, maybe Disney could help with a discounted room or something? It couldn't hurt to ask.

[Disneyjosh229]

Sorry if this has allready been posted, but was this during gay week? Ive heard of many "drug" problems, and I wonder if the "altercation" was about drugs or $$$?

[yensid2005]

[QUOTE=Acklander]While I don't think it's unreasonable to offer the OP the opportunity to change resorts we have to remember it was probably a bit of a trauma for the staff as well. Between dealing with police, investigators, family/friends of the victim, erecting/taking down tents, plus filling out their own witness statements, incident reports etc.... I can understand where a few things get over looked. Aren't many of the CM's college kids? I'm sure this was a first for a lot of people.



I think this is true to a small extent. The only person I saw working the front desk was a young looking girl. Maybe college age, maybe a little bit older. She was visibly trembling and was having a difficult time talking. The gentleman from security that kind of "took charge" of the scene until the Police arrived.... appeared kind of nervous as well. At one point when I was giving him my version of the events leading up to the death... We actually got into a little debate regarding what floor my room was on. I kept pointing to my room on the 7th floor and he insisted repeatedly that the room i was pointing to was on the 8th floor, not the 7th. I finally reminded him that on the Magic Kingdom side of the tower the occupied floors started on the 6th
floor. He thought that the Magic Kingdom side was the same as the resort view side. The resort View side of the tower.. the occupied rooms begin on the 5th floor. The Magic Kingdom side 5th floor is the Monorail Station.. so there cannot be any rooms on the 5th floor of the Magik kingdom side.

I hope I explained that correctly.. My point being that he was very nervous and I got the impression that he wasn't all that familiar with the resort.

But, None of the management that showed up as the morning progressed looked the least bit "upset" or "nervous". In my opinion they started "damage control" immediately upon their arrival. During the course of the morning in between waiting for the Police and giving repeated statements. I found myself being introduced to the "night manager" of the resort. He knew who I was, he called me by name and he "thanked me" for being "a long term CR repeat guest". He suggested that I return to my room and "go back to sleep". I explained to him that the police asked me to remain available to them, that there was an investigator "on his way" to talk to me. The manager said "nonsense, go back to your room and continue to enjoy your vacation". He said I "wouldn't be bothered any more". I returned to my room.. about 30 minutes later there was a homicide detective knocking (very softly) on my door.

Through it all, it became very apparent to me that the management of the resort was very well versed in how to handle "incidents" at the resort.

They insisted that I change rooms before I even had a chance to think about it. I think they wanted to get us out of that room and into another ASAP. I am not sure why, but I believe that our move was to benefit them, not us.

Thanks once again.....

[yensid2005]

Sorry if this has allready been posted, but was this during gay week? Ive heard of many "drug" problems, and I wonder if the "altercation" was about drugs or $$$?

Yes.. It was Saturday night/Sunday morning during Gay Week.

[snyderla]

I'm sorry for what you have experienced! I go to WDW to completely escape reality and I would have a very hard time dealing with something like that. I am glad that Disney does such a good job of shielding guests from the details of such things. Of course horrible things happen at Disney, just as they do all over the world, but I don't want to know about them while I am there, since I go there to escape and forget the problems/troubles of the world! It's none of my business, unless I'm a witness or involved directly or in danger personally. JMO

It would seem kind of eerie to have witnessed such a thing and then have it hushed as if it never happened though!

Lori

[Lil_Tink]

I believe this story got less coverage as of the MS insodent.. What is up with disney and death recently...

[ralphd]

I saw this mentioned on another board. Disney is quick to cover up incidents that would be high profile. I do not think you will be able to find much information.

If this is true, why did Disney just have Orange County double the number of Sheriff's deputies on property.

[Feralpeg]

If this is true, why did Disney just have Orange County double the number of Sheriff's deputies on property.

They talked about this on the news. It is because there is so much speeding on Disney property. I saw a story about this about a month ago.

[colleen costello]

Yensid, my heart goes out to you. When you witness a tragedy you feel "connected" somehow to the victim, and you are only normal and human to want some closure. A couple of years ago I went out in the evening to Walmart so I could go without my kiddos. I was driving behind another car and it was after dark, but the car was far enough ahead of me that I wasn't focusing very closely on it. Almost like in a dream, I saw the car drive right off the road -- across the other lane (nothing coming thank goodness) and disappear down into a drop. Seconds passed so slowly... I wasn't even sure I REALLY SAW an accident! I was thinking "Did that car just drive off the road in front of me?" All of a sudden I realized the overhead phone/electric lines were swaying -- the car had hit a pole on its way down -- and only then did I realize I DID really witness an accident! I stopped at the next house and ran screaming for them to call 911... Of course I had forgotten my cell phone! By the time I went back to the "scene," a lady from a nearby house had come out and was staying with the victim (who had evidently fallen asleep at the wheel) while help arrived.

I was SO wired! I still couldn't believe what I had seen and I somehow wanted to talk to the lady and tell her "I saw you and went for help and was afraid you were hurt." I really felt connected to her, and it bugged me when there was nothing in the paper the next day because while it was "no big news," it really affected me! I was so shaken up I just went home and told hubby all about it... He had worried because the police called to ask me to speak with them; I had given my name to a police officer when they were trying to figure out what happened... Based on the smashed car, they were thinking she was traveling west, but I knew she was going east. Poor lady couldn't even remember what had happened!

Anyway, I want you to know that it makes sense to me that you are still thinking about this, and suffering some "post traumatic" effects. Of course you want answers, and of course you want others to say "Yes it really happened and here is how it happened." Hang in there.

[tinkerbellmagic]

Colleen, that was a really nice and understanding reply to the Yensid. It sounds like you know a lot about what he and his family went through. Thank you for sharing your story with us. You must have been terrified.

To the poster who said they found it odd that the OP used another screen name to post his story, I completely understand why this was done. Yensid had no idea, based on what he witnessed, if the incident was a murder or a suicide. The other man with the mohawk who was involved in the incident on the balcony, could have either been trying to stop the victim from jumping or could have pushed the victim off the balcony himself. Yensid did not know at that time what was going on and still did not know when he posted here. The mohawk man saw Yensid and his wife on the balcony below at the time of the incident. If I was in the situation Yensid was in, I would also want to remain annonymous.

This is the third tragedy I have heard of related to WDW/DCL in the past week or two. :sad2:

Tink

[TSR6]

I have read that if someone dies on Disney property - say from a heart attack, the body isn't pronounced dead until it has been removed to an off property location such as Sand Lake or Celebration Hospital.

Not nessisarily true. They keep trying to revive the person until they get to the hospital, when they are declared dead. There have been deaths on Disney property though


If this is true, why did Disney just have Orange County double the number of Sheriff's deputies on property.

Mostly speeding, as someone mentioned. The speed limit on property is 50mph, while most people drive regular highway speeds - between 65 and 70. It's a hazard for both guests driving the speed limit, and for the Disney bus drivers.

Not too long ago one of Disney's resort buses burned to the ground on World Drive ( least I think it was WD ). It never made national news.

It was on my local news back home.

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About the suicide itself - The main reason it didn't see coverage, and they don't speak about it - is that nobody really needs to know. Disney would rather have you enjoy your vacation, than to think of it as the "time you saw someone jump to their death"

It's likely that the move to a different room would have been to get you either out of the tower into one of the wings, or into a different area, as to put you into a "New" or fresh environment to give you a fresh start to your vacation, in hopes you could enjoy the rest of it. Although it's hard to recover from seeing something as drastic as you witnessed, I'm sure that management was just trying to help you out by putting you in a different room. I can't see any way that it would have helped Disney by making you move.

[Gymbomom]

OP~~ I hope you are able to get "over" this terrible experience. You might have to stay at a different resort next time.

My hubby and I were with the kids 2 years ago ice skating at the Galleria in Dallas. It was Christmastime and the mall was packed. We witnessed a "jumper"/ suicide when we were there a couple of feet from the ice rink floor. My hubbby was closer to him and of course as soon as I realized what had happened I shielded the kids and got them out of there. My husband after we left had to pull the car over to be sick before we were out of the parking lot. He will never go in that mall again that is how bad he was.
I can't imagine having those memories of your favorite resort. :(

[yensid2005]

Thanks to all.... for the supportive post's.

[ralphd]

They talked about this on the news. It is because there is so much speeding on Disney property. I saw a story about this about a month ago.

Disney also stated that they wanted a more visual police presence on the property.
:sunny: :sunny:

[Jakesmom1]

What a horrible thing to witness on your vacation, I hope you are doing well, and my heart goes out to the family of the victim.

I did hear about this on the radio, the next day or so, it happened around the same time as the little boy on MS correct?

I listen to talk radio, and they were discussing the two deaths at WDW within a day or two of each other. They said that someone jumped off thier balcony at CR. I too looked for more information at the time, but could find none in our local papers.

I hope you will be able to put this behind you, and enjoy Disney once again in the future.

[SlightlyGoofy]

Dear Colleen, I can imagine how you must have felt. It is so hard to see another person in danger or pain. You handled a lot better than I would have. If I had been the only person who could have helped I would have managed to keep myself together but if someone else is able to take over I fall to pieces.

I am so sorry for the OP and others who were affected by this terrible occurrence. The only thing worse is to feel that others do not recognize your pain.

Slightly Goofy

[gina101]

I'm surprised they didn't put it in the paper. Mabye they didn't want to put it in there. Maybe they didn't want anybody to know. (probably not though) just this is the only way I can think why they wouldn't put it in the paper.

[Deafmedic]

Not all murders and suicides are reported in the papers or news. I worked as a paramedic while attending med school. I can honestly say about half of the shootings, stabbings or suicides were not in the news. Even now, about half are not reported in news or papers.
I can see Disney controlling what goes in the public domain when something of this nature happens on property.

[Bunch24]

Not all murders and suicides are reported in the papers or news. I worked as a paramedic while attending med school. I can honestly say about half of the shootings, stabbings or suicides were not in the news. Even now, about half are not reported in news or papers.
I can see Disney controlling what goes in the public domain when something of this nature happens on property.

First of all, Disney can't control what goes in police records, and newspapers can get police records whenever they want to.

Secondly, I work for a newspaper and it's pretty much a general rule that we don't report suicides. It's out of respect for the family. Murder/homicide is a little different, but suicides VERY RARELY get reported.

[Deafmedic]

First of all, Disney can't control what goes in police records, and newspapers can get police records whenever they want to.

Secondly, I work for a newspaper and it's pretty much a general rule that we don't report suicides. It's out of respect for the family. Murder/homicide is a little different, but suicides VERY RARELY get reported.

First, that may be true but we do know that Disney has some control, obviously.
Second, I know for a FACT that newspapers and TV news DO NOT report all murders. Maybe small town newspapers do but not all. When my office is called with questions regarding murders or suicides, I refer them to the appropiate agency whether it is city, county or state to answer all questions.

[rmdavis]

I have to agree with Deafmedic... I work for the fire department in a fairly large town 50,000 + pop. and I would have to say that probably less than 15-20 % of the things that we respond on ever get reported...

and I do offer My sympathies to those of you having had to witness these things... they can be tough to deal with.. but I can say out of experience one of the best ways is to talk about it... with family , friends, even your pastor or preacher if you have one...

[yensid2005]

Does anyone know.... does the general public also have access to police reports?

[Epcotgal]

I feel very sorry for the man and his family.

[Jen D]

Agree with Bunch24.

In NYC recently a bridge-jumper held up traffic and the NY Post (our lovely tabloid) did a cover story, and there was much clucking and head-shaking, because there has apparently been a general journalistic agreement not to cover these flamboyant suicides and suicide attempts from high profile locales, as the coverage encourages copycats (and the public interest is only a prurient one.)

So probably Orlando news outfits have this same policy.

[Amber Hand]

I knew the guy, that you are all talking about. His name was Mike. He has many friends, and family too. He was never really sad, he was always really glad to be alive and live his life as he wanted to. He would never have done such a horrible thing like going insane and jumping to lose everything. Mike was wonderful, gorgeous and a great guy on his way to being a great man. He had everything to live for and nowhere to start. Mike needed a hand and the devil reached it out. This man that I feel pushed him will soon know that his true colors will soon show. Mike is with me everyday and I feel that he knows his life has been delayed. But only until the truth can be relayed.

Amber

p.s. you can reply to this message if you feel that you should or if you have any information about that night. Please let me know, because I have things that need to be known. Thank you

[mom_rules]

I'm sorry for your loss and sincerely hope you find the answers you are looking for. A terrible tragedy.

[Ana~n~Joseph]

I knew the guy, that you are all talking about. His name was Mike. He has many friends, and family too. He was never really sad, he was always really glad to be alive and live his life as he wanted to. He would never have done such a horrible thing like going insane and jumping to lose everything. Mike was wonderful, gorgeous and a great guy on his way to being a great man. He had everything to live for and nowhere to start. Mike needed a hand and the devil reached it out. This man that I feel pushed him will soon know that his true colors will soon show. Mike is with me everyday and I feel that he knows his life has been delayed. But only until the truth can be relayed.

Amber

p.s. you can reply to this message if you feel that you should or if you have any information about that night. Please let me know, because I have things that need to be known. Thank you


I'm really sorry for your loss.

[yensid2005]

I received your pm.... and I sent you a reply. Please respond.

[ryty44]

I haven't seen anything about it anywhere. I think you'd get a better response on the community board.

I'll keep looking... :)


And while our great country has ensured us many liberties, and many soldiers gave their lives for such privileges,(ex: freedom of speech). I would hardly think that it is appropriate to use this web site as place to talk politics. There are countless web sites out there which are designed just for that, here is not one of them.
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[teresajoy]

And while our great country has ensured us many liberties, and many soldiers gave their lives for such privileges,(ex: freedom of speech). I would hardly think that it is appropriate to use this web site as place to talk politics. There are countless web sites out there which are designed just for that, here is not one of them.
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Huh??? I've read this whole thread, but I must have missed something. I didn't notice anyone talking politics.


Yensid, I am so sorry that you witnessed something so horrible on your vacation. I am also sorry that when I first started reading this post, I didn't quite believe it either. But, by the time I was finished, I could see that you what you said was true. It taught me a lesson in jumping to conclusions. Again, I am really sorry for what you and your family have gone through.

[Hitched2BellesCastle]

Not too long ago one of Disney's resort buses burned to the ground on World Drive ( least I think it was WD ). It never made national news.

Actually it did. I live in upstate NY and it was shown on FOX news channel from their affiliate in Orlando. To be specific it was an ariel shot from a helicopter. :duck: