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markey
02-03-2005, 11:36 AM
There was a story in our local newspaper about a couple who got sick on their cruise, from a virus nothing the ship did, and wanted the cruise line to pay them back for the cruise. Here is a follow up story that I find interesting.


http://www.thewgalchannel.com/travelgetaways/4157680/detail.html

perdidobay
02-03-2005, 11:41 AM
Complain to a local media outlet, hope to get a freebee from some tourism board somewhere because I happen to get sick? No Thanks.

mickeyfan1
02-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Well it is nice that they get a "free" trip to an island, but I totally disagree with them trying to stop the payment for the cruise. They got sick, should Princess have let them infect everyone else. I also find it hard to believe that room service "couldn't keep up" with 85 cabins. That is a huge ship and on any given night I bet there are a lot more than 85 cabins ordering dinner. If they had flown to their destination and become so sick they had to stay in their hotel room for the entire time, who would they want to blame then?

markey
02-03-2005, 12:06 PM
Just so I don't get flamed, I do not agree with this and was posting in a sarcastic manner!

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 12:15 PM
Hello

I personally can't blame them for telling their story. Think about it and imagine it was you. No, I am not saying that the cruise ship is responsible for them being sick, but geez oh petes! They make a jillion dollars a year and the people weren't scamming. If they were stuck (forced) in room and couldn't enjoy their vacation, a vacation I am sure they saved their hard earned dollars for, why not try to get what you can.

The cruise ship is giving them a two day credit. Not bad, not bad at all, but they very easily could have given them the same trip they had booked at another date(notice I didn't say refund). I realize they gave them a 2 day credit, but if they're gonna give them 2 days, why not give them a credit for another cruise comparable to what they had.

How often are people truly THAT sick that they are stuck in their rooms. Yes, I know it happens, but how often, really. We went with friends in June of 2003 on Royal Caribbean and one person in our party was under the weather the entire trip. She wasn't stuck in her room and coped with her situation the best she could (she wasn't contagious). She didn't get compensated and nor should she.

Now if she was made to stay in her room, that changes everything. The key word there was MADE. Many people aren't feeling good when they cruise, it happens.

As far as the folks who complained to the media, good for them. I bet 99% of the people on this board would do the same thing IF they knew they'd get something out of it. The island that has invited them is getting something out of it too. It's called publicity, almost free publicity when you think what it costs them for 2 people to be on their island for a few days. Some food, entertainment, airfare and lodging. The island will MORE than make it up with the publicity generated.

Okay, now go ahead and let me have it!!!! I am sure I am about to get flamed for having a heart. Your entitled to your opinion, but please be respectful, I was.

Dan, happy cruisin'

mickeyfan1
02-03-2005, 12:24 PM
If you are on a ship with Norwalk, and you get ill, you will be confined to your room. Ask the 230 people that got it a couple of weeks ago. The person that started it all was sick when they got on and didn't bother to tell anyone. It was only after a lot of other passengers fell ill that the original party reported in to the medical office. A lot of people travel when they are ill. It is a fact, however, if you are contagious, you should not get on a cruise ship or an airplane and infect others. It has only been through strict quarantines that the cruise industry has been able to keep Norwalk illnesses lessened. Remember a few years back when entire ships were sickened and cruises cancelled so that the ships could be disinfected? Rather than have all that negative publicity, the industry has decided to be agressive in their containment methods. The "Bad" publicity that this woman thinks she is bringing on Princess is infact good. I for one would be really POed if I got on a ship and had someone infect me with this nasty virus because the cruise line didn't want the "bad publicity" of quarantined passengers.

The entitlement mentality of people never ceases to amaze me.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 01:05 PM
Let's go again.

I never said anyone who is knowingly contagious should go on a ship, ever!!!
Please point out where I said that. You are obviously trying to imply that to make yourself feel smart. I said my friend went on a ship and was sick, not CONTAGIOUS (re-read it).

Yes, obviously I know about the 230 people, your not the only one with a high degree here. That is not something that happens often and whoever caused the others to get sick if wrong, period. I never said they weren't. If they knowing went on a ship sick and were CONTAGIOUS, they are 100% wrong and I believe the people who suffered from it, should be compensated. Yes I'd be PO'ed, bigtime. That is not anything that is in dispute, unless of course it was you who got sick from someone else who knowingly brought on a contagious virus, then you'd want your trip re-imburse. I know, you'd be as happy as a clam! Just take my $4-5,000, I don't want another cruise to make up for someone else's illness that made me ill. Again, 99% of the people would want to be compensated, except you.

I never said it was bad publicity for a cruise line to publicize any sickness on any cruise ships that they have. You better believe they had better let it be known. I have a news flash for you. They do it for a reason. We are in the 21 century here. You can't keep stuff like that hush-hush anymore. Word kind of travels fast, if you follow what I am saying. Thanks for your disresptful response and complete fluff of what I even said.


The entitlement mentality of people never ceases to amaze me either.


Dan, 28, 3 degrees and a major in common sense and the ability to read

mississaugamom
02-03-2005, 01:25 PM
Danniduck - I have read this entire thread (including both newspaper articles) and I agree with mickeyfan1. Your response to her did not seem respectful; I felt it was over-reactive and somewhat demeaning.

Someone who has a stomach virus should have the sense to quarantine THEMSELVES rather than risk infecting others. Since many do not feel this way, the cruise line has to do it for them. While many people may get "seasick" on a cruise ship, you can easily tell the symptoms of this from the norovirus. My daughter and I were both infected with Norwalk at WDW during the height of the outbreak in 2002. I'm glad your friend wasn't "contagious" when they were sick on their cruise with you. However, I would rather have cruise ships err on the side of caution.

If the woman quarantined on Princess had applied to her travel insurance, she would also have been reimbursed for the days they were quarantined to their cabin.

Just my opinion ...

mickeyfan1
02-03-2005, 01:35 PM
Let's go again.

I never said anyone who is knowingly contagious should go on a ship, ever!!!
Please point out where I said that. You are obviously trying to imply that to make yourself feel smart. I said my friend went on a ship and was sick, not CONTAGIOUS (re-read it).

Yes, obviously I know about the 230 people, your not the only one with a high degree here. That is not something that happens often and whoever caused the others to get sick if wrong, period. I never said they weren't. If they knowing went on a ship sick and were CONTAGIOUS, they are 100% wrong and I believe the people who suffered from it, should be compensated. Yes I'd be PO'ed, bigtime. That is not anything that is in dispute, unless of course it was you who got sick from someone else who knowingly brought on a contagious virus, then you'd want your trip re-imburse. I know, you'd be as happy as a clam! Just take my $4-5,000, I don't want another cruise to make up for someone else's illness that made me ill. Again, 99% of the people would want to be compensated, except you.

I never said it was bad publicity for a cruise line to publicize any sickness on any cruise ships that they have. You better believe they had better let it be known. I have a news flash for you. They do it for a reason. We are in the 21 century here. You can't keep stuff like that hush-hush anymore. Word kind of travels fast, if you follow what I am saying. Thanks for your disresptful response and complete fluff of what I even said.


The entitlement mentality of people never ceases to amaze me either.


Dan, 28, 3 degrees and a major in common sense and the ability to read

Well I guess you told me! Thank you for setting me straight. Good to know that there are people like you around to keep those like me with no college degree in line.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 01:57 PM
Sorry, if I came off to strong. I didn't care for your response which had major tones of sarcasm written all over it and directed towards me.

I have read what happen again and I still feel the same way. The couple that went to the newspaper is not the one that brought the virus on board. They contracted it from the person who brought it on board or someone else as it went around.

They were not in the fault for going on the cruise, because they didn't bring anything contagious on board. Someone else did and that ruined their vacation. I did not say it was the cruiselines fault. Please read my first post. I did say the cruiseline could have compensated them better than giving them 2 days of credit on another cruise. Sorry, that just isn't fair. Being confined in your room and missing 4 out of 5 ports, because of someone else's lack of common sense shouldn't be their fault.

I have to ask and I hope I am wrong: Are those of you disagreeing understanding that THIS COUPLE DID NOT BRING THE VIRUS ON BOARD???? It was someone else, just so we get that clear. You seriously and honestly can say that you shouldn't be compensated better than that?? Remember, I never said the cruise ship was at fault.

I APOLOGIZE Mickeyfan1 for coming off so strong, but your response blew me away as much as mine blew you away. I didn't care at all for your sarcasm about entitlment, so I responded.

Again, this couple did not bring the virus on board, someone else did. Doesn't that play into your decision at all??


Dan

mississaugamom
02-03-2005, 02:10 PM
Thank you for your apology.

While I understand that these people were not the ones who brought the virus onboard, they did contract it and would infect others if they were not ordered into quarantine. Their compensation from their travel insurance would probably match the number of days they were quarantined; the cruise line compensation (which would be in addition to the travel insurance) was probably the same.

On DCL, I believe the initial quarantine period is 48 hours. Here in Ontario where we have had outbreaks of Norwalk, the requested voluntary quarantine is 48 hours AFTER the last incident of symptoms. The contagion period being so lengthy is what makes this virus so difficult to contain, particularly in a confined environment.

I'm happy that St. Kitt's compensated this couple since that port was to be the highlight of the trip for them. However, I don't think the cruise line has an obligation to compensate everyone affected by Norwalk with a 100% free cruise.

As stated before, just my opinion ...

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 02:38 PM
I do not know everything about how cruise ships and insurance work togethere and that is probably my downfall in this particular post. I was going from the heart and doing what is appropriate and fair. Missing 4 out of 5 ports seems pretty bad to me, but that's just me. It doesn't sound like a good vacation or a vacation at all. If the insurance will pay for 4 of the days, then great for them.

Although they might not be able to compensate them 100%, I just felt and still feel that they could do better than that (a 2 day credit on a 12 day cruise that they missed a minimum of four days).

I apologize Mickeyfan1 for definitely going over board on you and I am truly sorry :love2: . Thank you Arlene for responding to me. I still feel the same way, but that's what makes the world go round. Good Day!


Dan

MickeyB426
02-03-2005, 02:42 PM
Hello

I personally can't blame them for telling their story. Think about it and imagine it was you. No, I am not saying that the cruise ship is responsible for them being sick, but geez oh petes! They make a jillion dollars a year and the people weren't scamming. If they were stuck (forced) in room and couldn't enjoy their vacation, a vacation I am sure they saved their hard earned dollars for, why not try to get what you can.

...

Okay, now go ahead and let me have it!!!! I am sure I am about to get flamed for having a heart. Your entitled to your opinion, but please be respectful, I was.

I won't flame you, but you lost me as soon as you decided to make issue of the amount of money a ship makes on a cruise.

What does a cruise line's bottom line, (or ANY company's bottom line, for that matter) have to do with liability? So, because a company makes money, they should be sued?

If the ship is at fault, it's at fault no matter WHAT their bottom line is. You can not make that argument in reverse.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 03:47 PM
I honestly never said anything about anyone being sued. You are the first person to bring up the word sued, not me. If you check all of my posts, I don't think you will find the word sued anywhere. Fair enough??

Why I said the cruiseline should pay for it is because it HAPPENED on the cruiseline and yes, it wouldn't affect them financially enough to put a dent in their biggest ship. Let me explain, please.............................

If I am in Home Depot and a wacko starts swinging a hammer at an employee because he's angry about whatever......... he misses and hits me in the head, believe you me, Home Depot is responsible. They didn't ask customers at the door if they are in need of anger management courses as they entered and if they did, they would still be responsible if a customer said, oh I am an easy going guy who wouldn't dream of doing something insane, but then goes insane.....follow what I am saying.

Home Depot would be responsible for not providing you with a safe environment to shop in, believe it or not. Even if they questioned you as you came through the main entrance as to your mental capacity. Yes, I know they would not do this, I am just making a point. They have to provide you with a safe environment while you shop in their store on their property. Getting sick from another customer would not apply, because you could not prove that the person in the return line gave it to you. On a cruise ship you could easily prove it.

If you got hurt due to another customer or an employee at Home Depot, they would absolutely take care of you. I worked at a now defunct Home Center 10 years ago and the person working in returns had a battery thrown at them by a disgruntled customer. I will let you guess what happened legally to that customer.

That is why I said the cruiseline should compensate (not be sued by) passengers in the situation that was described in the article that I read. If you get hurt on the cruiseline, you will be taken care of. What's the difference if someone else gets you sick? That person ruined it for a lot of people, but it happened on the ship. Just my opinion and Arlene is right that their insurance hopefully will compensate them.

Hope I wasn't to foward for you, but I never said sued.

Have a Good Day
Dan

cjsmith
02-03-2005, 04:09 PM
I honestly never said anything about anyone being sued. You are the first person to bring up the word sued, not me. If you check all of my posts, I don't think you will find the word sued anywhere. Fair enough??

Why I said the cruiseline should pay for it is because it HAPPENED on the cruiseline and yes, it wouldn't affect them financially enough to put a dent in their biggest ship. Let me explain, please.............................

If I am in Home Depot and a wacko starts swinging a hammer at an employee because he's angry about whatever......... he misses and hits me in the head, believe you me, Home Depot is responsible. They didn't ask customers at the door if they are in need of anger management courses as they entered and if they did, they would still be responsible if a customer said, oh I am an easy going guy who wouldn't dream of doing something insane, but then goes insane.....follow what I am saying.

Home Depot would be responsible for not providing you with a safe environment to shop in, believe it or not. Even if they questioned you as you came through the main entrance as to your mental capacity. Yes, I know they would not do this, I am just making a point. They have to provide you with a safe environment while you shop in their store on their property. Getting sick from another customer would not apply, because you could not prove that the person in the return line gave it to you. On a cruise ship you could easily prove it.

If you got hurt due to another customer or an employee at Home Depot, they would absolutely take care of you. I worked at a now defunct Home Center 10 years ago and the person working in returns had a battery thrown at them by a disgruntled customer. I will let you guess what happened legally to that customer.

That is why I said the cruiseline should compensate (not be sued by) passengers in the situation that was described in the article that I read. If you get hurt on the cruiseline, you will be taken care of. What's the difference if someone else gets you sick? That person ruined it for a lot of people, but it happened on the ship. Just my opinion and Arlene is right that their insurance hopefully will compensate them.

Hope I wasn't to foward for you, but I never said sued.

Have a Good Day
Dan

You can't really use this analogy between someone swinging a hammer at Home Depot and someone getting a stomach virus on a cruise, it just doesn't work. And the employee getting money from the customer isn't the same as Home Depot being responsible for a customer getting hurt from another customer. Home Depot probably won't be responsible in the instance you discussed, any lawyers out there want to clarify this maybe?
If you get hurt on a cruise line is one thing, this couple did not get hurt they simply got a stomach virus and missed some ports because of it. Believe it or not, this happens quite often. Whether it's the stomach virus or a cold, you do catch things on a cruise and it can make you miss ports and part of your cruise. The cruise lines aren't going to start refunding money to everyone who loses a couple of days due to illness, there's always somebody getting something on almost every cruise ship, it's bound to happen. And it wasn't Princess that got them sick, it was a fellow passenger. If anything, I guess the passenger is responsible!!!!! While on our last Princess cruise in October, bronchitis was going around like wildfire. I of course got really ill and missed the last 2 days of our cruise and stayed in the cabin because I was sick. We all joked how the ship sounded like a TB ward! You should have seen how busy the ships doctors office was, it was crazy when I was there. By the time I got home from San Juan I had walking pneumonia. Well it wasn't the fault of Princess, someone was sick on board and it spread around. That's what happens when you put a few thousand people on board a ship and we all touch things like railings and doorknobs and we all sit near each other.
Hey the couple gets to go to St Kitts, I guess good for them. But honestly, that seems to be enough and for Princess to refund their money on top of that really would be silly.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 04:49 PM
Thanks for you response, but I have 2 older brothers who are lawyers and I guarantee and lawyer who responses will tell you that home depot would be responsible. I did not verify this with my brothers as of yet, but I have heard them talk about many, many, many cases at family functions. My analogy of a hammer may not be to your personal liking or even fair to you, but it's true.

It doesn't matter if you fell in their parking lot or were bumped into by someone with their cart in the school. It's irrelevant Carolyn, Home Depot would be responsible and I bet any lawyer who chimes in will verify this. Yes, there are always circumstances and situations.

I agree totally with you that the free trip that they got is more than enough. But when they requested to be compensated better than they were, that's when the free trip came into the equation by someone who obviously read the article.

As far as being sick on the cruise and staying in your cabin for a couple days, my friend did that also and was not compensated and should not have been either. Why, because you chose to do so. She wasn't contagious, she did it on her own as you or your spouse did. That is not what is at issue here and I agree with you that it happens a lot(people getting sick). I don't think your comparing apples to apples here. When you're quarantined to your room, then you don't have a choice, that is the difference. People get sick everyday all over the world and it stinks but we all get sick.

Being on a cruise ship and quarantined to your room due to no fault of your own, is not the same thing as being sick and skipping dinner. That happens every single night on cruise ships. But people don't get quarantined every single cruise ship and I will not be convinced of that by anyone, because it's just not true.

Thank you for responding and voicing your opinion which you are entitled to, but your response made me respond. Not because you disagreed, but because of what you said. Fair enough?

Thanks Dan.......I hope a lawyer chimes in.....I e-mailed one of my brothers and hopefully he will.

MickeyB426
02-03-2005, 05:10 PM
I honestly never said anything about anyone being sued. You are the first person to bring up the word sued, not me. If you check all of my posts, I don't think you will find the word sued anywhere. Fair enough??

Why I said the cruiseline should pay for it is because it HAPPENED on the cruiseline and yes, it wouldn't affect them financially enough to put a dent in their biggest ship. Let me explain, please.............................

...

That is why I said the cruiseline should compensate (not be sued by) passengers in the situation that was described in the article that I read. If you get hurt on the cruiseline, you will be taken care of. What's the difference if someone else gets you sick? That person ruined it for a lot of people, but it happened on the ship. Just my opinion and Arlene is right that their insurance hopefully will compensate them.

Hope I wasn't to foward for you, but I never said sued.


OK, you didn't say "sued". My bad.

But you'd support someone who WOULD sue, since you mention money and the person's right to be reimbursed by the ship. I think it's fair enough for me to make that assumption.

Just because a company has a bottom line does NOT make them MORE liable than the next company. And your Home Depot analogy, though probably accurate within itself, noes not correlate to this case one bit.

Your way of thinking, which is "Oh, they have plenty of money", is, with all due respect, irresponsible.

You haven't made the case where the boat was responsible for someone else bringing a virus onto a ship without their prior knowledge. And that's the case that needs to be made, not what the cruise profitted from the trip.

Jandreas
02-03-2005, 05:54 PM
Here's a different angle...
We have cruised on the Magic four times now within the past 3 years.
EACH time by day 5/6 of the cruise my 6 year old daughter gets a VERY bad cold and sometimes conjuntivitis. I am a real germ freak and she knows enough to wash her hands before and after anything.
We have had to restrict her from the kids club as we do not want others to be infected or sick. However I do find it odd that this has become a common occurance everytime we cruise.
It is also unfortunate because as much as she enjoys the "Mickey boat" she does not want to go anymore because she does not want to be sick.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 08:14 PM
I never even implied anything about sueing in any way, shape, or form. Period! To say they should be compensated by the cruise ship, simply means they should take care of people in those types of cases. How that implies that a person should sue if they are not compensated is beyond me.
You are the only one to even imply that I said that, let alone say that I said it. But if that's what you felt that I meant, then so be it.

As far as proving that the ship knew a sick person was on board is totally something that I don't have to do. I am on their ship, it's not my responsibilty if they hold me at bay. They have to justify why they did it and compensate where need be.

If I am on the cruise with my little nephew and he hits his on the pool slide or bottom of the pool and gets injured, who do you think is going to pay for that??? Now do you think my brother would have to prove that Disney KNEW AHEAD OF TIME he was going to get hurt BECAUSE the slide is dangerous and the bottom of the pool was just a little too hard. No way!

You have to believe he would be compensated, even if my nephew or yours for that matter went down the slide backwards and was told not to. Let me enlighten you on this, Disney would take care of EVERYTHING. I or you would not have to prove they knew that this could happen, because they already know it can and things do happen. Just like people getting sick. But your on their property and you've paid to be there. They know people don't tell the truth and come on board sick when they say they're not.


But Mike, I guarantee you if they kept you in your room for at least 4 days, you would at least, minimum, want your 4 days back. How you could answer no to that is beyond me. They are responsible for those 4 days because they kept you quarantined, they controlled it!!!! You had no control and that's why you should be compensated. I don't know how else to explain it. I am really trying hard to explain this to get you to understand, but your not. You don't have to agree, that is far from my goal. Understand what I've said like I have done with you, and agree or disagree.

You know you would want to be compensated, so admit it. It has nothing to do with how much money the cruise line has. I said that more to mean that money is not an issue , it's just the right thing to do. It's not even about doing a pr move to say look we helped these people out. They can't say we'd like to compensate them, but we can't afford it. How's that? That's all I was saying is that they have money to do what's right.

Good Night and I hope there are no hard feelings, but your response leaves me no choice but to reciprocate.


Dan

cjsmith
02-03-2005, 08:59 PM
Thanks for you response, but I have 2 older brothers who are lawyers and I guarantee and lawyer who responses will tell you that home depot would be responsible. I did not verify this with my brothers as of yet, but I have heard them talk about many, many, many cases at family functions. My analogy of a hammer may not be to your personal liking or even fair to you, but it's true.

It doesn't matter if you fell in their parking lot or were bumped into by someone with their cart in the school. It's irrelevant Carolyn, Home Depot would be responsible and I bet any lawyer who chimes in will verify this. Yes, there are always circumstances and situations.

I agree totally with you that the free trip that they got is more than enough. But when they requested to be compensated better than they were, that's when the free trip came into the equation by someone who obviously read the article.

As far as being sick on the cruise and staying in your cabin for a couple days, my friend did that also and was not compensated and should not have been either. Why, because you chose to do so. She wasn't contagious, she did it on her own as you or your spouse did. That is not what is at issue here and I agree with you that it happens a lot(people getting sick). I don't think your comparing apples to apples here. When you're quarantined to your room, then you don't have a choice, that is the difference. People get sick everyday all over the world and it stinks but we all get sick.

Being on a cruise ship and quarantined to your room due to no fault of your own, is not the same thing as being sick and skipping dinner. That happens every single night on cruise ships. But people don't get quarantined every single cruise ship and I will not be convinced of that by anyone, because it's just not true.

Thank you for responding and voicing your opinion which you are entitled to, but your response made me respond. Not because you disagreed, but because of what you said. Fair enough?

Thanks Dan.......I hope a lawyer chimes in.....I e-mailed one of my brothers and hopefully he will.


I am trying to figure out how to make this seem nice, but having two lawyers for brothers and listening to them talk about their work at family parties doesn't really give you the knowledge to answer liability questions with such authority. I was a paralegal in Manhattan for years and quite of our best friends are lawyers here in town yet I wouldn't even begin to think that I had the complete knowledge to answer with the same authority you do. My friend who's a T & E attorney doesn't even really know the complete answers to all legal questions and cases and he not only has his law degree but his masters of law!
I would love to hear from a lawyer who handles these kinds of cases whether or not Home Depot would be held completely liable if a customer chose to pick up a hammer and swung it at another customer out of anger. Can anybody offer some assistance?

MickeyB426
02-03-2005, 09:15 PM
I never even implied anything about sueing in any way, shape, or form. Period! To say they should be compensated by the cruise ship, simply means they should take care of people in those types of cases. How that implies that a person should sue if they are not compensated is beyond me.
You are the only one to even imply that I said that, let alone say that I said it. But if that's what you felt that I meant, then so be it.

As far as proving that the ship knew a sick person was on board is totally something that I don't have to do. I am on their ship, it's not my responsibilty if they hold me at bay. They have to justify why they did it and compensate where need be.

If I am on the cruise with my little nephew and he hits his on the pool slide or bottom of the pool and gets injured, who do you think is going to pay for that??? Now do you think my brother would have to prove that Disney KNEW AHEAD OF TIME he was going to get hurt BECAUSE the slide is dangerous and the bottom of the pool was just a little too hard. No way!

You have to believe he would be compensated, even if my nephew or yours for that matter went down the slide backwards and was told not to. Let me enlighten you on this, Disney would take care of EVERYTHING. I or you would not have to prove they knew that this could happen, because they already know it can and things do happen. Just like people getting sick. But your on their property and you've paid to be there. They know people don't tell the truth and come on board sick when they say they're not.


But Mike, I guarantee you if they kept you in your room for at least 4 days, you would at least, minimum, want your 4 days back. How you could answer no to that is beyond me. They are responsible for those 4 days because they kept you quarantined, they controlled it!!!! You had no control and that's why you should be compensated. I don't know how else to explain it. I am really trying hard to explain this to get you to understand, but your not. You don't have to agree, that is far from my goal. Understand what I've said like I have done with you, and agree or disagree.

You know you would want to be compensated, so admit it. It has nothing to do with how much money the cruise line has. I said that more to mean that money is not an issue , it's just the right thing to do. It's not even about doing a pr move to say look we helped these people out. They can't say we'd like to compensate them, but we can't afford it. How's that? That's all I was saying is that they have money to do what's right.

Good Night and I hope there are no hard feelings, but your response leaves me no choice but to reciprocate.


Dan

You seem to want to reciprocate a lot, so I'll happily return the volley.

Don't ever assume you know what I want. That's the first thing.

If I was quarantined for four days in my cabin, no, I wouldn't go after Disney, and I'd take whatever my insurance gave me. And - surprise, surprise - there are a lot more people like me out there than you think.

And I'm FAR more understanding of your position than you think. I just happen to think you're wrong.

When you said "I never said sue" , I said ok, my bad. Now you're saying "I'm not even implying suing" , when clearly all I meant was, if that person sued, you'd support it. Whatever.

Now you seek to clarify your point down to the nth degree. At this rate I'll be here all night.

I'll let you have the last word because I feel I've made my point. I hope you enjoy the rest of your evening.

DanniDuck31
02-03-2005, 10:48 PM
I never said that I knew everything legal, Miss Manhattan. You implied that I think I do. What qualifies you? Nobody once in this thread, not once, was challenged for their view except me, because they had the majority behind them. Did you ask anyone else why they felt the way they did and what THEY have to back it up. No, no one did.

I will definitely tell you what you want Mike, and you can deny it with every keystroke. You would want 100% satisfaction, but your not big enough to admit it. If the insurance did nothing, you would not accept the fact that you were forced to stay in room for 4 plus days and could not go out for any reason and accept it. I don't think so. Remember, this is a vacation and you paid for it.

My brothers being attorneys have nothing to do with it and neither does YOU working as a paralegal for an attorney in Manhattan, but you brought that up for what reason???? I brought it up because someone else did first. Your attorney friend is going to know no more or less than my brothers. No, I don't just get info from them at parties, you've got to be kidding!!!! They are my brothers and obviously I have been to their offices and had many a talks. I was funnin' saying that I see them at parties and yes certain topics come up, no different than in the offices (does it really matter what space on earth you discuss a subject?).

Mike has a chip on his shoulder because he can't just come up with any legitimate reason why he is absolutely right and I am absolutely wrong. We just don't agree and he had responded to my initial response and I responded back because he was twisting my words. Home Depot was a simply example to get you to think..............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe this guy has something or maybe he's all wet............but he's making me think of the other person and what they went through???????? I explained a couple of cruise line situation also, but nobody responded to them. I just keep hearing Home Depot. Did ever occur to you that it's possible, just possible I am right.

I never even said take them to court. I just said that they should be compensated for being quarantined. I never even said they broke the law, did I? If you challenge me nicely, I will come back nicely. When you give me attitude, as Mike has, I give it back. I made a mistake in the beginning and apologized, look it up. Mike wants to knock down almost everything that I have said, now show me where I knocked what he said. I responded to everything he has said and that's called getting the last word.

If I didn't respond, he'd have something to say about that. When does it end??? Go ahead and tell me what your lawyer friend says. Have him e-mail me and him and one of my brothers can kindly compare notes. He hasn't worked in Manhattan, so I don't know if he's smart enough, but he just might be. Why doesn't a moderator join this and find out what happens in these situations?

An older couple went on a cruise and I personally felt bad for them because they were quarantined for 4 plus days. I felt they should have been compensated more than 2 days, excuseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I am glad they got a free trip, but that's not what we were discussing. It was because they went to media and complained. Maybe they saved for 5 years to go on that trip, who knows.

I am 6'3", 235 lb., 28 year old male who felt bad for them and that they could have been treated better and I gave my reasons. God made me big and strong and he gave me a BIG HEART that grows just as strong, if not stronger. Where's your heart????????????????????????????? Maybe 2 people have kindly responded without any sarcasm and I was kind back. Read the entire thread, I have. I think you will be suprised!


Dan

p.s. Mike, have a good night.

MickeyB426
02-03-2005, 11:02 PM
Dan - I have three words:

Good night. Decaf. :badpc:

jrp
02-03-2005, 11:08 PM
Hey,Maybe it is an island of headhunters or maybe even cannibals.. Its all in the way you prepare te meat!!!! :banana:

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 06:29 AM
Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought the fool, than to speak and remove all doubt!!!! Did that go over your heads? You have nothing intelligent to say so you've IMPLIED you are wrong, and then you come back with a 4th grade response!!! That is hilarious Mike! You should have just kept your computer off, you would have looked at least 1/2 smart at best. :rotfl: !

No real response to all that rhetoric, boy oh boy, not one person even has the ability to think (I'm not talking about you Mike, your obviously highly intelligent, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Come back with sarcasm and you get it right back!

Dan

markey
02-04-2005, 07:05 AM
Wow I just thought it was an interesting article, did not agree with it being blown up in the press or the free trip, but now I'm sorry I even posted. Everybody say sorry and make up!

perdidobay
02-04-2005, 07:15 AM
Not your fault markey.

I think I can sum up the whole mess this way: Sure, you can sue for ANY reason.... but that doesn't mean you SHOULD.

What do people think trip insurance is for????

I also think it's a hoot to say a lawyer would tell you to sue....... duh!

cjsmith
02-04-2005, 07:26 AM
I never said that I knew everything legal, Miss Manhattan. You implied that I think I do. What qualifies you? Nobody once in this thread, not once, was challenged for their view except me, because they had the majority behind them. Did you ask anyone else why they felt the way they did and what THEY have to back it up. No, no one did.

My brothers being attorneys have nothing to do with it and neither does YOU working as a paralegal for an attorney in Manhattan, but you brought that up for what reason???? I brought it up because someone else did first. Your attorney friend is going to know no more or less than my brothers. No, I don't just get info from them at parties, you've got to be kidding!!!! They are my brothers and obviously I have been to their offices and had many a talks. I was funnin' saying that I see them at parties and yes certain topics come up, no different than in the offices (does it really matter what space on earth you discuss a subject?).

If I didn't respond, he'd have something to say about that. When does it end??? Go ahead and tell me what your lawyer friend says. Have him e-mail me and him and one of my brothers can kindly compare notes. He hasn't worked in Manhattan, so I don't know if he's smart enough, but he just might be. Why doesn't a moderator join this and find out what happens in these situations?

Dan

p.s. Mike, have a good night.



I never said that I was qualified to answer any legal, that was my point. My point if you read was even though I was a paralegal and was around lawyers just like you, I had not idea what was right or wrong. And you are wrong about my attorney friend knowing more or less than your brothers. There are different areas of expertise in the field. While you get a general idea of the law, if you specialize you have will more of a knowledge of that partiular area of law. A trust and estate attorney will not have as much knowledge about real estate law or divorce law, just the basics.
And as far as asking any of my friends who are lawyers to e mail you and your brother so you can compare notes, you've got to be kidding me. At $550 an hour I think he has much better things to do than get in the middle of the silly squabble!

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 07:26 AM
I think it's a HOOT that nobody except Mike said anything about sueing. Read the thread. I said the cruiseline should compensate them if their insurance doesn't take care of it. That was once it was pointed out by a nice person that their insurance should cover it. Did you actually even read any of this????? Who said sueing, it wasn't Dan, not once. Who said to even get an attorney??? Show me the message where anyone said that they should get an attorney and sue. Just what thread are you looking at??? I said the no such thing. :cool1:

Dan

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 07:41 AM
No really, I really thought your attorney friend could e-mail one of my brothers and they would waste their time on this thread. Thanks for clearing that up. What was I thinking?? You REALLY thought that that was going to happen? It was, I thought, an obvious way of saying your wasting your time talking to your attorney friend no different than if one of my brothers can on board and wasted their time ($551/hour) to try to get you people to open your minds. You didn't actually believe they were going to exchange e-mails did ya??????????????????

As far as different fields of law and having different knowledge, again thanks for pointing that out. I REALLY HAD NO IDEA UNTIL YOUR LAST POST. Seriously, thanks a lot, I feel intellectually enriched this morning. Lawyers have different knowledge in different areas, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. That must me knew.

Obviously I am being sarcastic because you are stated the obvious! Any attorney worth anything could find out the answer to this in less than 24 hours. If it's not their area, they can find the crux of the subject very quickly. It takes a phone call at best. Sorry for my sarcastic responses Carolyn, but re-read your post and see if you weren't being sarcastic also. Your stating the obvious is not insulting, I actually feel sorry for you.
Good Day and let me know, once again where I said they should sue!!! I said they should have been compensated for what they went through and made some simple comparisons. Excuseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Dan

perdidobay
02-04-2005, 07:44 AM
Calm down man... the last line about lawyers, I was refering to the Home Depot bit.

I just thought it was stating the obvious that a lawyer would tell you to sue.
That's like asking a realtor if you should buy a house or a car salesman should you buy a new car.

Maybe I'm from a different time and era, but I think our society has become one big sue happy one. It goes along with "lets tax the rich!".
Let's sue all those big companies with all that money! It's called the lawsuit lottery. And it's a real problem. Next time you think something costs too much, be it a Disney cruise or a can of beans, remember that all those lawyer costs are rolled into that price.

I disagree on the compensation on being quarantined, that is what trip insurance is for. I don't believe stupidity (or lack of finding out the rules and regulations) is a valid excuse to ask for compensation.

PS I too feel sorry for the couple that their trip was not what they planned.
I'm not heartless, I just have common sense. I know that "stuff" happens.
I didn't sue the idiot with no insurance that totaled my car and put me in emergency room with a bad knee. I had insurance, imagine that!!

I guess a lawyer would have had me sue that car maker, the airbag maker, and anybody but the broke fool who hit me.

cjsmith
02-04-2005, 07:57 AM
No really, I really thought your attorney friend could e-mail one of my brothers and they would waste their time on this thread. Thanks for clearing that up. What was I thinking?? You REALLY thought that that was going to happen? It was, I thought, an obvious way of saying your wasting your time talking to your attorney friend no different than if one of my brothers can on board and wasted their time ($551/hour) to try to get you people to open your minds. You didn't actually believe they were going to exchange e-mails did ya??????????????????

As far as different fields of law and having different knowledge, again thanks for pointing that out. I REALLY HAD NO IDEA UNTIL YOUR LAST POST. Seriously, thanks a lot, I feel intellectually enriched this morning. Lawyers have different knowledge in different areas, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. That must me knew.

Obviously I am being sarcastic because you are stated the obvious! Any attorney worth anything could find out the answer to this in less than 24 hours. If it's not their area, they can find the crux of the subject very quickly. It takes a phone call at best. Sorry for my sarcastic responses Carolyn, but re-read your post and see if you weren't being sarcastic also. Your stating the obvious is not insulting, I actually feel sorry for you.
Good Day and let me know, once again where I said they should sue!!! I said they should have been compensated for what they went through and made some simple comparisons. Excuseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Meeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Dan


Thanks Dan, I feel so much better now that you feel sorry for me!

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 08:19 AM
I don't think so. This are words being typed, you have no idea as to ones emotions from reading a post. If I missed quoted one of the many attacks on me, then I was wrong and I am sorry. Plain and simple. Why don't read the entire thread and see how many times I had sarcastic responses thrown at me, for simply saying someone should be compensated, IF their insurance didn't cover it (AGAIN, for the umpteenth time).

I didn't say you should have sued because of your knee, nor did I ever imply it. You brought it up as a comparison that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I'll give you one now.

I bit into a brownie from a Miss Fields in a mall. Inside the brownie was a piece of a metal tie that holds the bags of ingredients together, before they mix it up. I was about 20 years old at the time. When I bit into the brownie I cracked my lower back tooth in half (I swear to God). When I got the thing out of my mouth and brought it to the Miss Fields, what do you think happened? No, I didn't sue. I was told we are very sorry and to bring them the dental bill and that is exactly what happened. They gave me about 6 more brownies and paid my bill, period. I did not SUE them, nor did I ever once think about it. They compensated me for something that was their fault. The mananger immediately recognized the piece of metal and took care of the situation. Could I have went after them for pain and suffering, et...... you bet I could have. But I didn't.

My point, I am not sue happy and never brought it up, ever. Bring up your problems with the person who did. You people are brutal beyond belief!!! Did you see where I apologized twice, even to the person who was sacarstic with me. Who has said anything nice to me. Who has apologized for going overboard on me. Please point that post out. You've attacked me repeatly and I stood up for myself. Again, I ask, where's your heart?????????????????
Don't agree, but doing nicely and that's fine.

Dan

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 08:22 AM
I am glad you feel better that I feel sorry for you. It is oh so important to me how you feel? I hope I can sleep tonight, knowing that I've made IMPORTANT YOU feel so much better!!! They have insecurity classes in college, you may want to check into that. You can dish it out, you should be able to take it.

smchan
02-04-2005, 08:39 AM
I was quarantied for 48 hours on a 4 day Wonder cruise and my wife the same for 24 hours, though her quarantine was only for precautionary reasons. Disney enforced the quarantine by calling the cabin and dropping by to check on us. I totally understand the quarantine was a necessary precautionary measure, but Disney never presented me with any other option other than to stay in my room. Having a virus is bad enough but experiencing it on a cruise ship while confined to a small stateroom is really, really uncomfortable.

After I returned home, I wrote Disney a polite letter expressing my disappointment with the cruise. I missed Nassua and Castaway Cay. I didn't ask for nor did I expect compensation, but I felt it was fair to tell my story - especially since Guest Services onboard didn't really seem to care beyond the fact they wanted to know I was staying in my stateroom.

Disney's response? A voucher equal to the amount of my cruise fare and detailed instructions on how to file an insurance claim with an offer to send me necessary, supporting documentation if I needed copies.

Without the voucher, it's unlikely I would've cruised DCL again. But thanks to it, I tried a 7 day, loved it, and subsequently did another 7 day a couple months ago. In this case, their "investment" has been repaid several times over.

Sam

cjsmith
02-04-2005, 08:39 AM
Dan, like you, I was being sarcastic, hence the exclamation point at the end! I have never had anyone tell me that they feel sorry for me~especially not a complete stranger so I thought I was being just slightly witty for responding this way. But, everyone has their own opinions on what's witty and what's not.

DanniDuck31
02-04-2005, 08:52 AM
That is exactly what I was saying. They took care of you and they should have, because it's the right thing to do. NOT because what they did is illegal or because they can afford to. You should have been compensated and you were. God bless America and thank you Sam for your post! Sam took the time to write a letter and Disney did the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully no one will flame you Sam for writing (complaining as they would say) to Disney about your concerns. Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan

cjsmith
02-04-2005, 09:06 AM
I was quarantied for 48 hours on a 4 day Wonder cruise and my wife the same for 24 hours, though her quarantine was only for precautionary reasons. Disney enforced the quarantine by calling the cabin and dropping by to check on us. I totally understand the quarantine was a necessary precautionary measure, but Disney never presented me with any other option other than to stay in my room. Having a virus is bad enough but experiencing it on a cruise ship while confined to a small stateroom is really, really uncomfortable.

After I returned home, I wrote Disney a polite letter expressing my disappointment with the cruise. I missed Nassua and Castaway Cay. I didn't ask for nor did I expect compensation, but I felt it was fair to tell my story - especially since Guest Services onboard didn't really seem to care beyond the fact they wanted to know I was staying in my stateroom.

Disney's response? A voucher equal to the amount of my cruise fare and detailed instructions on how to file an insurance claim with an offer to send me necessary, supporting documentation if I needed copies.

Without the voucher, it's unlikely I would've cruised DCL again. But thanks to it, I tried a 7 day, loved it, and subsequently did another 7 day a couple months ago. In this case, their "investment" has been repaid several times over.

Sam

Wow, you're lucky DCL gave you the voucher for the entire trip. Our friends got a voucher for a small percentage from Celebrity for their missed days. I guess it goes to show you that Disney sometimes does take care of their passengers better than other cruise lines! On top of Mark being confined to his stateroom on Celebrity, they wouldn't even serve him the food he requested through room service, only liquids! His partner got the same food even though he was in for precautionary reasons. Mark felt like he was being treated like a child by not being able to eat what he wanted! The only other option they gave him was to get off the ship in a strange country no less! Let's just say he hasn't used the small voucher that the cruise line gave him to cruise with them again. The worst part was, he never had the virus!
Glad you gave Disney another chance.

rejobako
02-04-2005, 09:08 AM
If I am in Home Depot and a wacko starts swinging a hammer at an employee because he's angry about whatever......... he misses and hits me in the head, believe you me, Home Depot is responsible. They didn't ask customers at the door if they are in need of anger management courses as they entered and if they did, they would still be responsible if a customer said, oh I am an easy going guy who wouldn't dream of doing something insane, but then goes insane.....follow what I am saying.

Home Depot would be responsible for not providing you with a safe environment to shop in, believe it or not. Even if they questioned you as you came through the main entrance as to your mental capacity. Yes, I know they would not do this, I am just making a point. They have to provide you with a safe environment while you shop in their store on their property.

Pardon me for butting in, but I've read this most interesting thread and thought I could contribute. I am in fact an attorney, and the "answer" to the issue presented in the above scenario is, as lawyers like to say "it depends". As a general premise, Home Depot bears no liability for a non-employee who is in the store who swings a hammer and hits someone. This is in and of itself not a "reasonably foreseeable" action that Home Depot should be required to guard against.

However, there are many questions that a good attorney would begin to investigate to see if Home Depot could be brought into the liability equation. For example: in your scenario, the man is swinging the hammer at an employee -- did the employee take aggressive or unreasonable action to anger the man who swung the hammer? Did Home Depot staff react quickly enough to disarm a patron who was beginning to go out of control? Was the hammer that the man used part of a regular display of tools for sale, or was it just sitting out of place on a shelf in some other department? Did Home Depot have any previous knowledge of the aggressive customer to the extent that he should not have been monitored while on the premises? Does Home Depot instruct their staff in how to deal with unruly customers, and did they follow procedure in this case? There are dozens of other questions to ask about what actually occurred, and my guess is that, at least for settlement purposes, a good plaintiff's lawyer might be able to squeeze some money out of Home Depot to buy out the risk that a jury might apportion some percentage of the blame to Home Depot. And realistically speaking, Home Depot is the "deep pocket" defendant here. What I mean by that is that let's say this case were to go to a jury, which awarded the victim $5 million in damages, and found that the man swinging the hammer was 95% responsible for the victim's injury, and Home Depot 5%. Well, chances are the man who swung the hammer doesn't have the means to pay much in damages, so the victim would first look to collect the 5% from Home Depot -- there's a quick $250,000, because you know Home Depot has liability insurance.

Anyway, back to the cruise ship issue. Disney Cruise line has a very specific policy regarding cruisers who get sick, and, like every other cruise line, the small print in your ticket information makes it very clear that if you are sick, the Ship's master has the unquestioned right not only to quarantine you if necessary, but to refuse to allow you to travel, or even to require you to get off the ship at any port, so long as you are able to be quarantined there. You are entitled to no refund, and if you have to be quarantined somewhere, it is at your expense.

In other words, once you board a cruise ship, if the Captain decides you're sick and need to stay in your room or to be required to disembark, that's his right, and you're not entitled to a penny. Now, you could certainly challenge those decisions in Court, but you'd need to file in Disney's back yard in Brevard County (you also stipulated to that in the small print on your ticket), and in these days where "sick ship syndrome" makes the news all the time, my guess is that it would be hard to prove that the Captain overreacted in detaining your freedom to move about the ship if you were exhibiting any symptoms whatsoever, even if those symptoms ended up being associated with a noncontageous disease.

As has been stated by others, the only realistic way to guard against such events is to purchase trip insurance, which is available at a very reasonable cost these days compared to other types of coverage.

Now, if you're asking a moral question: "what would be the right thing to do if Disney unfairly quarantined you in your room", my answer would be different than to the question of what Disney's legal responsibilities were. As we all know, what's right and what's legal sometimes don't coincide.

All that being said, I congratulate Danni's brothers for commanding such an impressive hourly fee. Mine is less than half of theirs, but then again, I earn a good enough living that I can spend a little time on an internet board during the day to comment in threads that interest me. :)

Have a great day, everyone, and definitely buy the trip insurance and pack the zinc tablets.

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02-04-2005, 09:16 AM
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