View Full Version : Can someone please tell me the appeal of WL??

01-04-2005, 12:23 PM
I just watched wl on the travel channel and was not impressed> the rooms look small and very dark. people talk about the decor of the rooms at the cr and i must say from what i saw the cr rooms are much more cheery. I was just wondering what attracts people there. The hoopdido review did look like lots of fun and the pool looks nice but what is so great?This is one of the hotels on the bottom of my list to try change my mind for me! :cool1:

01-04-2005, 12:34 PM
Yes, I have the admit that the rooms themselves are on the small side. BUT, we LOVE the relaxing atmosphere of the wood, stone and water (i.e. creek running through the lobby, etc.) and, after long days in the glaring sun, the more subtle lighting is welcome. We really didn't find it to be "dark"...just not "bright". It also kind of feels like 2 vacations at the same time: hot, sunny Florida and also peaceful, "National Park" type stay. The theme somehow helps us recharge for the next day better than a louder, brighter resort would. But, every family is different and that's why WDW resorts come in so many different themes!

Karla B. :flower1:

01-04-2005, 12:34 PM
The rooms are smaller than the rooms at the GF, CR, Poly, YC/BC etc, but I think that the rooms at the AKL are the same size as the WL. The rooms also have queen size beds rather than the full size beds at the moderates and value resorts. Some of the rooms also have bunk beds and a queen size bed which is nice if you have children who each want their own bed.
They are a bit dark but really were not that bad, I stayed there in Dec of 2002 and we loved the resort. The lobby is beautiful, the pool and the hot tub area is very nice, the slide was a bit small but since it was my son who was 20 at time and myself it was not big deal to us.
We had no trouble with the transportation, the boat ride to the MK can be a bit chilly in cooler weather, but other than that we had no complaints about the wait for the buses etc.
The food court had a nice selection, and the Whispering Canyon resturant was a hoot and the food was good.
The Hoopdedoo Revue is actually at Fort Wilderness, not the WL.
All resorts do not appeal to all people, I would love to stay there again, but for my next trip my husband would like to try either the BWI or the CR.

01-04-2005, 12:39 PM
you guys are making it sound better already. I guess i am just not the woodsy type but you are making it sound more cozy than woodsy. I think wl may have just moved up 1 notch for the cozyness lol!! :cloud9:

01-04-2005, 12:45 PM
I think it's a very romantic resort. I love the woods, with the spanish moss hanging from the branches. It's about atmosphere, and being taken away to another place and time. Every time I go there, I feel I am not in Florida, but somewhere with a slower and more relaxed pace. Looking out from the balcony and seeing a family of otters playing in the pond is a real treat too. The scattered fireplace lounging areas add to the charm, and make you want to roast marshmellows, while sipping a nice, warm toddy,,(yes, even in July,,LOL)

01-04-2005, 01:39 PM
I stayed there in May 2003 for 4 nights after 4 nights at BC. I appreciate the grandeur of the property, but I wasn't that impressed with it. Some of this is due to the noise from the lobby, and some is due to what I consider to be a pretty small pool for the size of the resort. There are good things about WL, but next time I'll pay the extra $$$ to stay at Poly...or back at BC/YC.

Having grown up in Colorado (live in Dallas now), I never feel that when it's 100 degrees outside, I'm in the pacific northwest...no matter what the surroundings are. If I'm going to be hot, give me the beach.

01-04-2005, 01:42 PM
If you don't stay there, be sure and visit the lobby and walk around. The music playing is usually something like "Rodeo" by Aaron Copeland, or some other "classy western orchestral piece". The Teepee chandeliers are beautiful. You really feel like you are transported to the American Northwest. The pool has one area that has a strong cool current, as if you are in a river!
The structure and wood beams - the whole atmosphere is wonderful!

01-04-2005, 02:00 PM
I grew up in a log cabin, so the WL feels like going home to me. I can see where some people might feel that the WL is "dark", but we think it's "homey" (sp?) and cozy. Between the music in the lobby, the sounds from the Whispering Canyon Cafe, and the bubbling spring, we could sit in the lobby forevery just people watching.

I also love the fact that everything is in one building. I love the little touches, like the paw prints in the cement, and the sounds of crickets they pipe into the walkway to the bus stop.

In fact, due to budget constraints, we haven't stayed there on our past couple of visits, but we always make a point to go look around the WL, shop at the mercantile, and maybe have lunch. It's definitely our favorite, and we can't wait to stay there again. :flower1:


01-04-2005, 02:02 PM
We had a split stay in 2003 between AKL and then WL. We went to visit WL the day before we were supposed to check in there and asked to see a room and were so disappointed in the rooms that we went back to AKL and asked to continue our stay there instead. The lobby is very pretty but the rooms were a huge disappointment to us. It used to be on the top of my list of resorts to stay at but now it has moved to the bottom.

01-04-2005, 02:05 PM
We had a split stay in 2003 between AKL and then WL. We went to visit WL the day before we were supposed to check in there and asked to see a room and were so disappointed in the rooms that we went back to AKL and asked to continue our stay there instead. The lobby is very pretty but the rooms were a huge disappointment to us. It used to be on the top of my list of resorts to stay at but now it has moved to the bottom.


01-04-2005, 02:17 PM
I agree with NCDisneyMom, all the things she said and more. How much time do you really spend in your room. We were there during Hurricane Frances, and we had to stay on the grounds. At one point we even had to stay in the room. There was my DD(16), DH and me. The room didn't feel small. Because we had to stay at the hotel for some time it was nice that to get around we didn't have to go outside.

I just think the atmosphere is great, and I love the woodsey feel. They now have two pools, so if one has to many people go to the other one.

For the money I think it's very beautiful and close to the MK. :wizard:

Polly Juice
01-04-2005, 02:39 PM
We have stayed at Dixie Landing, GF and WL. I would never do Dixie Landing (now Port Orleans) again. Too big, cattle call for the buses, crummy room etc. GF was gorgeous the transportation great, food so so and incredibly expensive. WL has bunkbeds, I have a boy and a girl. The rooms were decent(yes a little dark), the layout is very nice. The transportation is close to MK and not too far from the other parks. The restaurants are reasonable and good. Going back in Feb. and staying at WL again :cheer2:

01-04-2005, 03:13 PM
Also, you said you just "saw" it on TV ... You have to actually walk in the front doors into the lobby. :earseek: Is all I can really say. In 1996 I believe, we stayed in an offsite hotel for a day, and my family hated it. So we called the WL and they still had some rooms, and we immediately packed up and went there. There are no words to describe walking into the lobby for the first time. Once we stayed in the WL we will never ever go to another hotel because, to my family, it is perfect. It's not too dark, either, it's very relaxing and cool which is just what everyone needs, especially after a tough day in the park with the temperatures well above 90 degrees! I don't know if I'll ever stay in another hotel now that I've been this spoiled with staying in the WL multiple times... :D

01-04-2005, 03:27 PM
wl is very nice , we enjoy visiting it while at AKL ....however, we are from new england and we have enough woods... i really like the more exotic surroundings such as AKL . we have a cabin in maine and while they do a great job at the atmosphere and all, there is no point ( to me) in feeling like your up north while being down south. to each his own ... just not my thing

01-04-2005, 03:39 PM
I visited WL for dinner on our last trip, thinking that we might want to stay there in the future. I was not at all impressed with the whole woodsy theme and the boat to/from MK took longer than I expected. The lobby was well done, but I'm one who has spent lots of time in woodsy cabins, so I want a little more luxury.

01-04-2005, 04:21 PM
ok wl is starting to go back down on my list i have to agree that when i go to florida i dont want to feel like i am upstate somewhere. It also doesnt seem very disney maybe i am wrong but i just dont get that disney feeling wich i like to have when i am at disneyworld! I think on our next trip we will visit and see for ourselves. has anyone ever been able to see a room at a resort while visiting to see if you might want to stay there?

01-04-2005, 04:30 PM
I too watched the Travel Channel today and the WL looked nice, but it looks like places we visit here in the Adirondacks. Beautiful, but not what we would look for in a resort in Florida. I will check it out while we are visiting next winter and maybe seeing it in person will change my mind towards it.

Mom of Sleepy, Bashful and BabyDoc
01-04-2005, 04:40 PM
I just watched wl on the travel channel and was not impressed> the rooms look small and very dark. people talk about the decor of the rooms at the cr and i must say from what i saw the cr rooms are much more cheery. I was just wondering what attracts people there. The hoopdido review did look like lots of fun and the pool looks nice but what is so great?This is one of the hotels on the bottom of my list to try change my mind for me! :cool1:

I know what you mean, Sheri. I visited once and although I thought it was beautiful, I didn't really want to stay there. "Too dark", I thought. Then.........when I called cro to see what was available, WL was the only one. I REALLY wanted to stay deluxe so I thought we'd try it. WE LOVED IT!

Maybe it was the INCREDIBLE attention to detail. My kids loved the bunk beds. Whispering Canyon is so much fun, with good food. We thought the water spring in the lobby was cool. The first time we had a courtyard view. I loved this because I could hear the waterfall and it was like being by the ocean. We saw the Water Pageant that night from our balcony.

The second time we had a woods view and could see the castle and fireworks at night. My kids loved Cubs Den........the babysitting service........they didn't want to leave. I love all of the little cozy places you can sit and just relax looking at that beautiful lobby. We found a lot of interesting stuff in the giftshop.

But one of the things I love about WL................is that it is all under one roof!! It's got to be one of the least "spread out" Disney resorts. I liked this when it was time to refill those mugs. :D

01-04-2005, 04:47 PM
If it doesn't thrill you then move on. There are so many nice resorts at WDW. We will be staying at the WL at the end of this month. I would pick different resorts for different reasons. We love the MK and spend most of our time there so a MK resort is what we chose. My kids live the outdoors. They are excited about the gueyser, beach, waterfalls, otter pond and boat transportation. I also like the fact that we can rent a boat from there. You can view the EWP from the docks as well. The petting zoo and campfire sing a long next resort over is also another perk. The water launches to the other MK resorts is another option that I like. Googd luck with finding the resort that fits you best. :D

01-04-2005, 04:53 PM
We stayed there for two weeks and won't again. The rooms are small and it doesn't matter if you don't plan on staying in them long. They are annoying just to walk around in and fit everything into. They are also dark. The lobby is beautiful though and we do make it a point to eat at the Whispering Canyon and enjoy the lobby on our other visits. We just make sure it is only a visit and not a stay!

01-04-2005, 05:33 PM
I've already put in my .02, but lucky for me I have a lot of pennies. There are people that swear by WL. The darkness of the rooms/lodge didn't seem to bother me, but I just wasn't sold on it. As I said before, the pool is too small...we were there in early May (parks not too crowded), and it seemed like we were on top of each other.

I'm not sure what else you are considering. AKL is in the same price point, but you'll run into the "darkness" objections from some there as well. I have not stayed there, but we did eat breakfast over there. Nice, big pool. I hear that, although it is set apart from the rest of the World, it has a very dedicated bus system and wait time is minimized. Others could speak to that better than I.

01-04-2005, 05:45 PM
We stayed at WL this past July and loved every single moment of our trip there. Here's our opinion of the various issues -

1 - Darkness - I read at night and never had an issue with it.

2 - Size - Plenty large enough for 2 adults 2 children.

3 - Pool - This is the smallest resort in number of rooms so the pool is smaller, but we never felt overwelmed and this was in the middle of July. There is also a quiet pool that was never busy and two hot tubs.

4 - Transporation - Plenty of different ways including boat (monorail access at CR) and bus. Close to everything except AK and DTD.

5 - Balconies - Great nice size balconies. We had a bear face room!!!

Overall we loved this resort. We stayed at POFQ on our last trip and WL wins hands down as our favorite (though DS did enjoy the Dragon slide and we we had a magical moment when we saw the fireworks from the railing outside our room).

01-04-2005, 08:51 PM
I just don't get it either, but I can see where some folks would. When I go to Florida for vacation I just don't feel "Northwoodsy". The theme and the pool do nothing for me. My wife and I visited the place and my wife had seen it on the net. She actually wanted to stay there before she saw it in person. After she saw it she immediately changed her mind. We took my kids over this past summer just to see what they thought. They agreed with us. After sliding on the dragon slide at POFQ my kids felt sorry for the kids at the WL pool. It comes down to theme and thank goodness Disney has several themes to choose from. That way we all find something we like.

01-04-2005, 09:02 PM
1) Darkness---yes, the furniture is a dark wood, and the interior of the rooms is drab, but fits with the theming.
2) Size--- rooms are definitely too small to be considered a Deluxe resort (rooms no bigger than those at CBR). We felt very cramped in the rooms with all of that oversized heavy furniture. DH kept banging his shin on the bed post everytime he had to go around the beds. :earseek:
3) Pool is absolutely breathtaking... too bad it was one of the last built without a zero entry.
4) When we stayed there in 2000, the bus route was shared with Ft Wilderness, which definitely slowed things down. Also, we had issues with the ferry not running in time to get us to the MK in time for the opening of Early Entry. :(
5) The balconies were the only saving grace of the room. It gave us room to escape when DD went to bed or took a nap. :D

Overall, we were disappointed with our stay at WL, although the castmembers were great and many aspects are beautiful. Of all of the resorts in which we have stayed, this is probably our least favorite.

Mom to Jordan
01-04-2005, 10:06 PM
We love WL in the Winter. it is so warm and cozy. WE find the rooms fine for our family of 3, though not huge. WE love the loby, the resturants, and the service. The pool is fine and our DS loves the slide. We are laid back and enjoyed the boat ride so much we sometimes road over to FW and back just for the pure relaxation. It might not be my first choice in summer if money was not an issue at all, but for the price of a deluxe, we find it a great choice.

Jordan's ,mom

01-04-2005, 10:26 PM
wl is very nice , we enjoy visiting it while at AKL ....however, we are from new england and we have enough woods... i really like the more exotic surroundings such as AKL . we have a cabin in maine and while they do a great job at the atmosphere and all, there is no point ( to me) in feeling like your up north while being down south. to each his own ... just not my thing

And isn't that the great thing about Disney? There is something for every taste! :flower1: There are a few resorts that I just would not feel comfortable in, so I stay somewhere else. :Pinkbounc


01-04-2005, 10:55 PM
If woodsy, log-cabin inspired, Adirondack-like resorts aren't your thing, then I suggest not staying there. That being said, I absolutely love WL and VWL. It is my very favorite resort, and I've stayed at quite a few. What do I love about it, you ask?? Well, I love the whole decor and atmosphere/the smoky, wood-burning fragrance/the huge fireplace in the lobby/the scattered fireplaces on the upper floors with the comfy couches to snuggle in/the breathtaking view from the numerous public balconies/the fact that it is a smaller resort and takes a few moments to run to the gift shop or Roaring Forks/the absolutely gorgeous landscaping/the beach you can relax on during the day watching the boats zip by, or hang out on a lounge chair at night with your honey, watching the Electrical Water Pageant/the walk along the boards to the dock to catch the boat to the MK, enjoying the huge trees with the spanish moss draping around/waiting for the geyser to shoot into the air/watching the birds flitting in the little streams meandering off from the waterfall/hanging out at the Trout Pool Bar sipping some exotic drink/eating wings and stuffed potatoe skins and drinking an awesome Bloody Mary at the Territory Lounge while catching whatever game happens to be on and trying to find the hidden Mickey in the map on the ceiling/relaxing in a rocking chair on the porch of the VWL while eating a mickey bar and reading a magazine, listening to that great cowboy music/lazily killing an hour or two at the quiet pool at the VWL or in the hot tub, which, by the way, guests at WL may also use. Is that enough? I could go on and on. Oh yes, it is also the best resort to get away from the hustle, bustle and crowds of people at the parks. I forgot to mention the amazing totem poles in the lobby, and the castmembers will happily give you lots of info pertaining to their history. You can also take a tour of the lodge to learn about it's architecture. Again, this resort is not for everyone. Two of my kids love it, one says it reminds him of home and he prefers a more beachy, tropical atmosphere. I also love the Beach Club and the Poly for obvious reasons, but WL holds a special place in my heart.

01-04-2005, 11:30 PM
TeresaNJ- you just made me so happy. We will be at the WL this month for the 1st time. Now I can't wait to go! :earboy2:

01-05-2005, 12:16 AM
Lucky you, Tara!! I won't be there until the end of June and I can't wait! Another thing we like to do while we are there is to take the boat over to Fort Wilderness for the breakfast buffet at Trails End Buffeteria. The breakfast pizza is awesome. We also visit the horses while we are there, stroll along enjoying the scenery and the peacocks, and although it is quite a hike, we have walked back to WL along the bike path. Lots of fun!! I could go to WL and have a great time without ever going to the parks. Although the main pool isn't as big as the one at AKL, it is still nice, and as I said, there is always the quiet pool at VWL, plus hottubs at both resorts. Don't forget to visit the train room at VWL, you can play checkers with the kids or just relax in the oversized chairs or sit in one of the windowseats checking out the scenery. It is definitely the most relaxing resort Disney has to offer.

01-05-2005, 09:08 AM
We stayed at WL a couple years ago and we weren't that impressed. Let me first state though that I think the lobby and the theming are indeed impressive, it's just the "guts" of it. What I mean is exactly what you said. The rooms are small and dark. Plus, we found the transportation to be sloooow. The pool is small. The CMs left a little to be desired. Other than the beauty of the resort's exterior and lobby, and the grounds, we weren't impressed. I do like the trail that goes to Fort Wilderness. I can see why people like it though. It's an affordable deluxe choice.


01-05-2005, 10:33 AM
We are coming from the Pacific NW, where everyday life looks like WL, so we chose BWI as something "different". I, too, saw the Travel Channel yesterday and it does look beautiful. If I was coming from a warm climate, I might want to try it.

domestic goddess
01-05-2005, 12:46 PM
That's exactly why WDW has so many different resorts on property, to meet different tastes. We have stayed at several and visited more. Like the previous poster said, "All you have to do is walk into the lobby...". My husband says that the first time we walked in it was like a choir of angels singing(of course it was at Christmas time). This last trip we stayed at BCV(we are DVC members) and we weren't impressed at all. It was nice, but not to our liking. Then we moved to VWL and as soon as we went under the arch in the drive it was like a huge sigh and a "we're home" feeling. We love the warm and cozy feeling of the fireplaces and the relaxing seating areas. Of course, the villas are bigger rooms than the hotel rooms in the main lodge. Anyone looking for bigger rooms should check out DVC. Our purchase has paid for itself in just over 3 years and we have many more years left to use it.

After that we moved to SSR and we really liked it there as well. It is more spread out, but it has a nice feel to it. But, VWL will always be our favorite!

01-05-2005, 12:57 PM
My experience shows they have some of the best cast members at any deluxe. They all seem very happy and eager to help.

01-05-2005, 02:47 PM
I know I already posted on this thread, but if I recall I do remember hearing that the WL has consistenly been voted "The Best Themed Resort" or "The Best Resort" out of all of the WDW resorts ... It may not be that exact title, but it's something among those lines. The reason why it's sometimes hard to get a room booked is because, like others have said, it's a large all-connected resort, but it doesn't have a lot of guest rooms. My dad won't stay anywhere else, maybe the Poly, and definately not GF because he feels that you need to be all dressed up when you go in there and it doesn't feel relaxing, no one in my family likes the CR because we think it looks like a toaster and don't like the inside except for the monorail, but that gets old. And I wouldn't want to stay at the AKL because I just think that yeah, it's close to AK but so far away from MK, and somewhat far from Epcot, DS, and DTD. WL!!! :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc

01-05-2005, 03:02 PM
I LOVE WL, We have stayed there four times, and coming up on our fifth. But I agree it is a very personal thing. WL along with the Grand Californian in Disneyland (which I had a rare chance to stay at! WOW!) are both themed to the Arts and Crafts movement, started in the UK I believe. The movement is still alive today in what we now call Mission style. Wilderness Lodge is FULL of not just any old Mission furniture but authentic Stickley furniture pieces. For example most of the furniture in the lobby and elevator halls is true genuine Stickley. (yes sad enough my husband's sister went looking for the burn mark and found it) The detail in Disney not just modeling after, but actually using real Mission pieces is a great attraction for me, since we cannot afford Stickley Furniture ourselves (a dresser bureau from stickley is $6000 read those zeros!). The detail in geniune carved detail, the stream that flows through the lobby, the fourth floor fireplace, the details are all here, and make it feel extremely homey.

If you like Polynesian you will probably like WL, the feeling is very similar, except honestly I like WL better because I dont have to go outside to fill my drink up! Plus its not as much as a hike.The rooms are small, but not overly so, I've fit four people into a standard room and it was a little cramped, but it still has double sinks and a seperate room for the toilet and bath, major pluses in any hotel. Plus it has queen beds not double beds, which is nice for sleeping arrangements, it probably eats up extra space though.

Probably an explination (sp?) on the room size goes back to the fact that the WL was designed ORIGINALLY as a moderate, and sort of became a deluxe as it was being designed at built. Kind of interesting tid bit, but makes sense if you think WL was not built with a concierge floor, it only has one pool, and the rooms are iffy on size.

Anyway no more run on posts, but WL is worth trying, like the saying goes you either love it or you hate it, if you love it you will always be attached at the hip and it will become an obsession, if you hate it there are many other beautiful resorts at Disney to try.

Jennifer :wave:

01-05-2005, 05:09 PM
I was just wondering what attracts people there. The hoopdido review did look like lots of fun and the pool looks nice but what is so great?This is one of the hotels on the bottom of my list to try change my mind for me! :cool1:[/QUOTE]

I haven't been yet but I've chosen WL for my Nov/Dec trip. I dno't really care how big the rooms are, even though we'll probably be spending a good deal of time at the resort because of the time of year we're going most of it won't be in the room. I just think the WL looks relaxing. I love the lobby and all the wood and I can't wait to sit by the fireplace with a good book while my kids spend their money in the arcade. After spending a day in the hustle and bustle of the parks I'm going to need a place to unwind and I'm betting WL is going to be the perfect place for me to do that.

01-05-2005, 08:20 PM
I too saw the special on the travel channel and have previously stayed there. We absolutely love it! I had taped the show a week before we took my inlaws there and refused to show them the tape because it is simply impossible to capture the Lodge without actually being there. I know it is not everyone's cup of tea, but for many it is the absolute best. Until you have walked through the front doors, heard the music and walked over to look at the lake, you cannot describe it to anyone. The pool is smaller, but it has fewer rooms. Compare the # of rooms at BC/YC to Stromalong Bay etc. The last two times we stayed there it was sold out and did not feel like it. We have only had one real transportation problem and we usually stay for over a week and never get in our car. The buses have never been full when I was there either. The rooms are small, but it did not bother us. The price also makes it very attractive vs. the other deluxe resorts(with the exception of the AKL). For those of you who have not been but are planning to go, go with an open mind. For many it is spectacular and we crave going back. My husband insists that we spend a minimum of two days just relaxing at WL and not park hopping when we go. If you do go, try going to the lobby late at night, 10-11, sit in a rocking chair by the fire and take it all in. It is so quite, peaceful, romantic, and breathtaking to many of us.

01-06-2005, 08:48 PM
We stayed at WL last year with two adults and two kids and I thought the room was fine. We were rarely in it. I would like to add that the beach area at WL is nice and relaxing and the pool bar is great. YOu can rent bikes and ride around, and even go over to Fort Wilderness to walk around, see animals or eat at their restaurant, which has great ribs and low prices for a resort restaurant. The food at Whispering Canyon is very good too. The boat ride over to MK was also relaxing.

A really nice thing was that if you get a woods view room, you can watch the fireworks from the comfort of your own room instead of being out in the parks and racing with everyone else to get back afterward.

We stayed in October and the theme worked really well then. My friends honeymooned there and loved it too. The high end restaurant, Artist Pointe, is very good and the bar looks nice.

01-06-2005, 09:26 PM
We also LOVE the WL and exciting about going back in a few months. We live on the coast, just a mile or two from the beach, so this theme is "exotic" to us and VERY relaxing.

From the moment we walk through those doors, we feel "at home." Our little guy loves the BIG lobby and searching all around. He could spend on hour running over and over the little bridge.

I love walking around outside and seeing the little waterfalls at night, the beach area, the geysers, etc. It's soooo beautiful.

A few years ago, I was pooped and stayed in for half a day or so and everyone else went to the parks. I spent at least an hour and half comfortably situated in luxurious leather in the lobby, listening to that much and watching families come and go, greet each other and have dinner, etc.

My best memories are at WL. We are always had excellent CM's there, too. It's just perfect..... for us!

Lex's Mom
01-06-2005, 10:44 PM
We stayed at AKL in Oct, '02 and even though we've never been inside WL they seem alot alike so I haven't had a desire to stay there yet. I did see the Travel Channel special also. We stayed at GF in Nov, '04 and our bus dropped off there so we also saw the outside. My DH decided just by looking at it that we don't ever need to stay there! lol I did think the GF rooms were way bigger than AKL's although it's just me, DH & DD (8) so we don't need alot of space.