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MzEeyore
09-10-2004, 04:50 PM
Anyone heard yet when this group will be at Disney?? I have heard around the week of the 5th which I am hoping not since that is the day after we get there!!!!!

Joanie princess:

ash&abby'smom
09-10-2004, 05:25 PM
That's the week they will be there. If you do a search, there has been some threads on this topic.

F1Julie
09-10-2004, 10:05 PM
I believe Pop Warner is going on 12/4-12/11. I noticed on your post you are staying at the Poly. You should have nothing to worry about. They stay primarily at the All Star resorts.

cjsmom5
09-11-2004, 12:25 AM
They typically stay at the All Stars and in the past have then gone to the PO Riverside when the All Stars are full. Have never seen them at the deluxe resorts, though, so you should be fine. They are noticeable at the parks, when they go, as they run in large groups -- typically.

Kapp
09-11-2004, 11:48 AM
they roam the parks in large groups. AVOID at all costs! Kidding....and not kidding. We found most of these groups to be very self-centered and not caring about others around them (this is a generalization but it was our overwhelming experience!). VERY loud and for the most part, rude. When we would see a group of the cheerleaders coming , we would head the other way. This worked pretty well for the rest of our stay. It is not enough of a reason to reschedule or change plans but just try to avoid.

Have a great time! THat first week of December is the best time to visit!

beehive123
09-11-2004, 01:06 PM
We went last December from 12/4-12/8, we stayed at
CBR and the bell hop told us every room in the resort was
taken, most by the football players and cheerleaders,
It was a nightmare for us, we had to eat almost every
meal in our room because they took over the food court
and they would be outside cheering at 7:00am every
morning, I will never go when they are there again.

LisaSt
09-11-2004, 04:04 PM
They are usualy there the first week of Dec and have been on ewvery one of our trips in early Dec.

jaysmom4285
09-11-2004, 04:35 PM
beehive 123, that's my greatest fear. We're staying at the CBR from 12/5-12/11, and that's the last thing we need. We can probably avoid them at the parks, but is there any way to know where they're staying? Let's hope it's at the value resorts.

cjsmom5
09-11-2004, 07:23 PM
When I used to book large groups as a meeting planner, convention director ... we would always work with a special area that took care of large room blocks such as would be needed for Pop Warner. You can probably call the CRO and ask for the phone number of the department that does large group room blocks for teams, etc.. When you get the number you can call and ask them if they have Pop Warner groups booked at the CBR when you are there.

The thing that is different this year is the fact that POP Century is now open, in addition, to the All Stars. That gives them two value resorts before they overflow to the moderates. Can't remember how big it is but it might take some of the overflow to the moderates away. The hotel itself does not have any guest information until a maximum of 10 days out so you won't be able to find out through them, at least for now.

It may be worthwhile seeing if you can get a good rate at one of the deluxes such as Wilderness Lodge or Animal Kingdom Lodge. Then you would probably be a little more sure of avoiding them.

cvet1
09-11-2004, 08:08 PM
not much bothers me when i'm at disney - but large groups of rude teenagers really can put me over the top. When i was at disneyland in Ca. early last June a lot of high chool kids were there in large groups on one of the days (end of year field trips) if you are stuck behind them in line it can be bad in fact we actually left Disneyland after a few hours and went across the street of the rest of the day to Calf. Adventure because they were so obnoxious. Now not to scare anyone that's going during Pop Warner but i actually put off my trip until the next week Dec 13-th to avoid them at WDW this year (i am staying value though so it was a bigger consideration for me)

disneychrista
09-12-2004, 12:05 AM
We were there in 2002 at the same time as Pop Warner and did not come accross any troubles. Even staying at the AS.

It was actually pretty funny to see them waundering around in the parks and resorts with their hair in curlers etc.

yecats
09-12-2004, 12:58 AM
Several years ago I had a last minute short trip taken with a stay at the values where the cheerleaders were and will never do that again. I recall a thread back some time ago that stated to call the AS directly and speak with the person who handles the groups there. If I recall the thread right, now that PC is there, the Pop Warner group is supposed to go to the AS only and not to PC (I believe it was a CM who worked there that posted this). I usually go to Disney in the first 2weeks of Dec. and when I've stayed at any other resort other than value I've never had a problem. As stated above by another poster, when I see the large group of teens in the parks, I generally also head in the other direction.

beehive123
09-12-2004, 08:22 AM
jaysmom4285, I won't worry to much, since some of the other
people are posting that since more value resorts have opened,
it might be better this year, see if you can find out where they
are staying. I hope it works out for you!

a |PiX!e |)uSt
09-12-2004, 11:12 AM
im a lil offeneded bc i am a cheerleader maybe we are a lil loud sometimes but me and my other cheerleaders on our squads would not be rude to others so these groups of cheerleaders you see are just giving us all a bad rep. just thought id let ya know we aren't all like that. :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc

cjsmom5
09-12-2004, 11:20 AM
a |PiX!e |)uSt ----- Unfortunately, that is always the case ... a few bad ones in the crowd give the whole group a bad rep. My DH taught hs for 16 years and there are a lot of very nice young people. However, keep in mind, when you are in big groups and a little loud, it may not seem bad to you but others who are not around teenagers consider the loudness to be inappropriate. And, there are times when language can become an issue especially for those with young kids. All too often, it is a matter of perspective. And,it also depends on the kids.

That being said, on my vacation, I prefer to enjoy it in a much quieter setting than that enjoyed by teenagers. And, we too, go the other direction when we see large groups of teens, especially at the parks. But you are right, there are many out there that are very nice and responsible.

a |PiX!e |)uSt
09-12-2004, 11:30 AM
i udnerstand cjsmom5 iill probably do the same thing when i am older and have a family to! i apoligize if i have ever been like that (which i hope i havent)! :Pinkbounc

cjsmom5
09-12-2004, 02:01 PM
If you are aware of it and concerned about it ... chances are you probably don't fall into that category. It is pretty neat, though, that you are thinking about it. Kudos to you!

scrump
09-12-2004, 02:57 PM
We've gone to WDW in december a couple of times and unknowingly stayed in the All Stars for this competition. We never noticed them in the parks, but we sure did notice them in the food courts. We never did mind too much, since we rarely eat there and just pass through while getting our drinks. If I had a choice, and all else being equal, I'd try to avoid the All Stars during this period, but it's Disney and in the end, we didn't care too much!

Nanu57v
09-12-2004, 03:59 PM
Unfortunately they were there at the all stars the same time as my DH and I last year. My parents were down for a trip a the same time and stayed in a preferred building. They didn't have any noise complaints and the unsupervised tweens and teens running around the food court splashing soda all over the place didn't seem to phase them. I'd say they seriously hindered our vacation enjoyment. We stayed in a normal building and had the parking lot behind our room. Every morning very early (6:30) the girls would be practicing out in the parking lot. Sure, its good for them to be dedicated, but not for us. I wish someone would've told us in advance they were going to be there, and we would've rescheduled our trip.

I never noticed them in the parks. It wasn't that I didn't think kids should be in Disney (duh!), but it was the noise and lack of supervision that bothered me.

We were there Dec 5-11.

cyndibelle
09-13-2004, 05:46 PM
ohh goodness we are gonna be there at this time....we are staying at pop century....do you think we are gonna get it as bad as the all stars do???:confused:

RebeccaLovesDisney
09-13-2004, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by cyndibelle
ohh goodness we are gonna be there at this time....we are staying at pop century....do you think we are gonna get it as bad as the all stars do???:confused:

We are also going to be at PC during that week and I've wondered the same thing. I don't think I'll change though unless I find out that PC is one of their primary resorts. My kids are really looking forward to PC and we'll probably be up early heading off to the parks anyway.

cjsmom5
09-13-2004, 09:11 PM
If you are concerned, call the hotel and ask if they have someone handling large groups. I'm not sure they do since it is a value resort. But WDW does have someone handling large groups that "block out" a certain number of rooms. If you can figure out who that is they can tell you how many rooms are blocked for Pop Warner and then you would have the information you need.

I've been out of the meeting planning industry for several years now and am not sure how it is handled at WDW but someone there knows at what hotels those blocks of room are being held.

Hope that helps.

LoveMickey
09-14-2004, 07:07 AM
We are staying at POR this year. Last year there were "some" Pop Warner and Cheerleaders there. I met some of the mothers. But we did not see a lot of the kids.

With Pop Century open, I'm hoping the AS overflow will go there.

When we were at FQ one March, the Cheerleader groups were awful. They were rude, they would not offer their seats to mothers with babes in the arms on the busses (their packages were taking seats). And one morning, one of them walked by my table in the food court and actually sneezed (without covering their mouth) right on to my food.

My best friend was at AS and she said it was awful.

Try for a Deluxe to avoid this if you can.

camliner
09-14-2004, 08:05 AM
I have been while the cheerleaders are there also. I had no problem with them in the parks, but at restaurants it was a little crazy. They would be yelling across the room at each other and switching tables like crazy. Basically, it felt like Whispering Canyon everywhere we went.

cobbler
09-14-2004, 11:13 AM
I will be at ASSp from the 2nd to the 7th so hopefully the 2 days I have to deal with them won't be as bad.

I remember being in Dis in 00 and staying at CBR and we saw a lot of cheerleaders there. I am sure it wasn't Pop Warner because it was end of Jan, early Feb and they were not bad at all and didn't have any problems.

Maybe they were the collage cheerleaders. I honestly didn't see them much except in the parking lots practicing.

Aquagirl
09-14-2004, 01:40 PM
A friend of mine is a highschool cheerleading coach. She was there for a competition last year at the end of January/the beginning of February(I can't remember which week). Does anyone know about this competition. Is it as crowded as in December?

EeyoreChelle
09-14-2004, 02:29 PM
Oh no! While we were at Magic Kingdom this summer there were VERY LARGE groups of foreign soccer teams and those kids were the rudest I have ever come across. They knocked down a few small children and they were up in the flowers for the fireworks an the CMs had to tell them about 10 times to get down and as soon as teh CM would leave they'd get right back up there. I know kids will be kids but there is no excuse for rudeness and where were thier chapperones?

JamesMom
09-14-2004, 02:49 PM
Hi!
Checked the dates and we will be at AS during the time of Pop Cheerleaders! UGH! We get in Thurs night and their last day is Saturday. They will probably be there Sunday as well.
I don't mind the 7a practices - since we like to get early starts on the Parks, we will be eating breakfast then. Its the night thing I worry about with a 23m Toddler trying to sleep! Will the 'quiet' room recs on AllEars be valid during this time as well? I really, really don't want to shell out an additional $300 for 2 rooms at a Moderate (they budget is stretched as it is!) or get just 1 room (DH & I want our privacy!). Oh well, guess we'll make the best of it.

JamesMom
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Planning Trip #8 w/DS 23m
ASMu - Dec 9-14
(Dec 5-11 are the cheerleaders)

disneysnowflake
09-14-2004, 06:28 PM
Does anyone know if these groups usually leave on Sunday or on Monday? We don't arrive until the 11th, but I was just wondering. We had planned to go to DTD on our first night there, but after finding out about Pop Warner we changed our plans for that night.

My husband's coworker had a bad time with the Pop Warner kids at All Stars, but I spoke to a lady who stayed in the moderates last year when Pop Warner was there. Besides the kids at the food court she said it wasn't bad for her at all. I guess it's who you ask.

KIRSTIN'S MOMMY
09-14-2004, 06:35 PM
We'll be there too celebrating dd's 5th birthday, which is on the 11th. We're just going down for a quick weekend from the 10-13. Does anyone know if they LEAVE on the 11th or is it just the last day of competitions?

vjc715
09-14-2004, 06:43 PM
BOOHOOO for us too! We will be visiting WDW Dec 3rd
thru Dec 11th.

Does anyone know what time these competitions are? Maybe they will spend most of the time at Wide world of Sports! Crossing my fingers all will go well!

***It's a shame spending so much money towards a vacation to have to worry about stuff like this. There will always be people that are rude, but groups are harder to deal with that loud and obnoxious!:confused3

daisylove
09-14-2004, 07:28 PM
If anyone gets first hand info on this fromWDW let us know. I am tryingto decide what hotel from Dec5012. I wanted ASMusic but may do PC if I find out it will be ok. Otherwise I may have to shell out the extra $$ for POFQ. Help me decide please!!

Patcw
09-14-2004, 07:41 PM
Does anyone know if they are at CBR We will be there Dec. 3 to Dec 10. I hope it wont be a problem.

F1Julie
09-14-2004, 08:26 PM
From what I've read on these threads, Pop Warner cheerleaders and football players (they are there too, not just cheer) have overflowed to CBR and POR. I have not heard anyone say they were at CSR or POFQ. I am really hoping this is the case since we're staying at POFQ. Since Pop Century is new, I don't know if they will get any overflow or not. I have read that Pop is not set up to accomodate large groups. As far as when they leave, my guess would be that the competition ends Saturday and they will all leave on Sunday.

Daisylove, I would definitely switch out of ASMu. You'll probably be okay at Pop or POFQ.

vjc715
09-15-2004, 12:50 AM
Anyone know the status of this group overflowing to the POR?

We like to sleep in....9am or so.... I really can't even imagine being woken up to noise let alone cheering early in the am.

I'm just wondering now if it's necessary to upgrade from a Moderate to a Deluxe for our 1st four nights, as our last 4 nights will be at the poly. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated!:wave2:

WaltD4Me
09-15-2004, 01:13 AM
Ok, you guys are freaking me out a little again. I heard about Pop Warned before I booked our trip (Dec 5th-11th) but after reading a bunch of threads here about how you'd only have a problem if staying at All Star Music, I wasn't worried when I booked POFQ. Now reading this thread I'm getting worried again. If they spill over into POFQ I will NOT be happy....especially if we get woken up early to the sounds of cheering outside. :mad:

Also several people commented that they hardly saw them in the parks in past years because they are too busy practicing and competing......does this still hold true? .... Please tell me it does! I have nothing against cheerleaders, but large groups of loud obnoxious teenagers sounds a little worrisome.

Also, do they take over Disney Quest in the evenings and I wonder how Pleasure Island will be, especially since you don't have to pay to get in to just walk around now.


Lisa :earsboy:

cjsmom5
09-15-2004, 01:13 AM
I think if someone finds out exactly where Disney is "housing" the Pop Warner cheerleaders and football players, that would help everyone in their decision making.

If someone makes a call, they could let the others know. Otherwise, it is probably difficult to decide what to do without knowing where they might be staying, other than the AS.

They will only be there one day that we are at Disney and that is the day we are leaving so I think we are pretty safe.

Plus, at that time we are at the AKL....and I don't recall that they "bunk" there at all.

vjc715
09-15-2004, 05:18 PM
Hi all ~

I called this morning directly to POR. CM was really friendly, and said she would have to transfer me to someone who might better help my question.

My question is.....what resorts are slotted for Pop Warner in Decemeber. I was transferred to a reservation line that had sports topics. If you are with soccer press 1, baseball press 2, pop warner press 3. I immediately pressed 3, and my call was answered by a CM reservationalist.

When I posed my question to her...she said she didn't know but was going to ask her manager. Well ladies and gentlemen....I found out they are staying at "ALL STAR" AND "POR RIVERSIDE". I didn't push on and ask her which All Star resort, as I was in a gasp because she said POR Riverside....where we were staying for the 1st 4 nights of our trip that I've had booked forever!!!!

Needless to say, I changed my POR ressies to another resort. I personally do not want to take a chance. It may have ended up to be nothing, but the thoughts of
2 - 4 - 6 - 8 who do you appreciate in the early morning is something I don't want to possibly deal with due to the things I have read on the boards. This little change cost me $240 more for 4 nights!!!!!!!!

I hope this helps!

:wave:

beehive123
09-15-2004, 05:43 PM
I think that was a really good move, as I stated before I was
with them at CBR last December and it was terrible. I waited
in line 30 plus minutes just for food, and then had to take it
back to the room to eat since there was no place to sit. We
also could not use the main pool since there was about
200 of them in there at most times. Not even to mention the
fact that the buses were always full, with them of course!
Better to be safe than sorry.

disneysnowflake
09-15-2004, 05:54 PM
Well, I just told my cousin's wife about this. She was in tears. This poor girl has her 10 day Disney vacation planned from Dec 4th to Dec 14th. She's staying at Riverside.

She can't afford to stay at a deluxe. Her flight tickets are non-refundable. She's taking her kids without her husband (he's overseas in the military).

My cousin's wife told me she's probably going to switch to Pop Century. She feels that if she's going to be stuck with the Pop Warner kids she might as well spend less money on a resort. She was really looking forward to Riverside, but like she said, she probably can't enjoy Riverside with swarms of kids in the food court, at the pools, etc. She was just so upset.

We had originally planned to go from Dec 6th, but change to arrive on Dec 11th due to Pop Warner.

I will never forget how terrible it was when we went to a family event in Maryland. The entire town was sold out of hotels. We stayed in a suite at Hampton Inn... and were stuck on a floor with a bunch of rowdy, vulgar, loud, rude preteen and teenagers there for a baseball tournament. They called our telephone over and over, banged on our door, threw balls against the walls, played loud music, ran up and down the halls screaming, slammed doors, etc. right until around 3am. We had to be at a family event at 10am. It was just awful. Then we had to put up with it again the following night. The staff did nothing. They did give me my money back though after I complained over and over again. My husband tried to talk to the parents, but was threatened with bodily harm for even complaining.

I'm not saying that Pop Warner kids will act like these baseball kids in Maryland did, but if I'm going to spend thousands of dollars on a Disney vacation I certainly don't want to take that chance.

Mean for me to say, but I arrive on the 11th. I'm hoping a majority of them leave on the 12th.

I feel so badly for my cousin's wife. We was just so upset.

Thanks for telling us about what's going on though. That really helped.

goofy4tink
09-15-2004, 06:35 PM
Okay people....take a deep breath. I was there for the tail end of the Pop Warner run last Dec. I stayed, dare I say, at AllStarMusic. I hardly noticed them!!! During the day they were in competitions. At night I can't remember them being an issue in the parks. One night MGM closed a little bit early for a private party for the kids. We ate every breakfast in the food court. We did eat earlier than the kids evidently since we didn't run into them too much. Yes, they were practicing in the 'main' areas. But I never heard them at night or in the early morning. I did request the Jazz bldg, third floor on the back of the building. It was perfect. I have to say that it was the quietest stay we've had to date!!!! The kids were polite on the buses (for the most part!) They didn't shove to get in front of you in line. I may have been lucky in that I was there for their last 3 days and that's why I had so little problem with them.

As far as POR goes, it is a very spread out resort!!! I have stayed there when it has been at full capacity and you couldn't tell. The food court can get crowded but if you try to eat at off times, then it won't matter.

I really wouldn't start to panic. I'm sure that I'm not alone in not having a problem with these kids. I think that we usually only hear the horror stories!!!

F1Julie
09-15-2004, 07:00 PM
vjc715 thank you so much for that info. We're booked for POFQ and I wonder if I should switch as well with the shared buses and close proximity to POR.

vjc715
09-15-2004, 07:12 PM
I feel so bad for having to pass along the information, but I wanted to know really bad for myself....so I felt others would want to know to be able to make an informed decision.

The CM said nothing about the other moderate resorts ~ just POR Riverside and the Value Resorts All Star. She made the comment that maybe I could switch to FQ side. I'm sorry I didn't ask which All Star so I could pass along more info.

Again...I called the main phone # for POR resort, got transerred to an automated attendant listing lost of sports, when I chose POP WARNER I spoke to a CM who was taking resort reservations. Since she didn't know...she put me on hold and gave me the answer I was dreading.

I personally don't want to take a chance. It may or may not be an issue, but I looked at the ages of the children and it's 8-14yrs old. Kids will be kids, but what concerned me was the large group going and what I had been reading on the boards....cheering early in the am! uggh! Although, it may have been one isolated incident.

We changed resorts because we do not have children, and was hoping for a romantic get away. Plus we are not early risers when going to WDW, we wake up much later than most would. I like to stay at places since it's just me and DH that are not noisy. Someday when we have kids, I probably wouldn't mind staying at the value resorts, but until then....I like it somewhat quiet. We really didn't have the extra $$$ to change hotels...but to me it's worth it. To DH, he thinks we should have just dealt with whatever came our way at POR. He thinks that it's probably not going to be 1/2 as bad as some of the negative stuff has been reported. Of course...since I am doing the planning, I made the executive decision to change! hahaha

And maybe it wouldn't be bad for those who have kids, because they will be waking up early already. If you are planning on getting up early, and being at the parks most of the day....maybe your encounters will be brief or none at all. And maybe all this is a big to do for nothing.

Again....if we weren't going on a romantic getaway for 2 adults, and had kids with us, I don't think it would be that bad. And it may not be......

If the noise is excessive, as I said before...kids will be kids...but if it's unacceptable, you can always try and talk to the front desk. Give the desk the opportunity to maybe correct the problems that might be occuring. I just don't even want to deal with the thought of being aggravated! LOL!

I personally just didn't want to chance it! Hopefully all this worrying for those who can't change will be for not! I didn't want to scare anyone.... I feel soooo bad for giving news that made someone cry

:guilty: :guilty: :guilty:

Cleokitty
09-15-2004, 07:48 PM
Hi All,

We switched our 12/5-12/9 trip to 12/12-12/17. We were originally going to stay off-site the first night in Orlando after our long drive, but then decided we didn't want to waste half a day moving from the hotel to WL. We found that when we wanted to add a night to our 12/5 trip (tried to add 12/4 or 12/9), the room we wanted was not available. We checked around on the Disney website, on Expedia, etc. and could not find another night at WL unless we wanted the VP suite or honeymoon suite. I talked w/reservations and she said that she had no idea why the resorts were filling, that usually it was quiet time of year.

Then, I went on to find out about Pop Warner, the Doll and Teddy Bear show at Epcot that ends on 12/5, and MouseFest that is sponsored by one of the unofficial Disney websites.

So, we changed our dates. Availability was wide open for a woods view room at WL at $132/night. Luckily for us, we were flexible with out dates. Now I'm just hoping that Disney Ticketing will exchange out MVMCP tickets that we have for 12/7.

Turns out, some of our best friends have a trip planned for the exact same dates at the WL! Our kids will be so surprised!

cjsmom5
09-15-2004, 08:05 PM
disneysnowflake -- why not have her switch her ressie to the
FQ side. They have their own food court -- and while it is smaller with a little less variety that Riverside it is still good. They also have their own pool -- and while guests at Riverside can use it the one at Riverside is much more suited to them and there are quite a few quiet pools which they can use. The chance of them taking the time and energy to walk to FQ is probably less likely. And, they won't be running around the resort area or practicing since they are at Riverside.

The only issue, then, to deal with would be the busses. And, I will tell you that if they are really busy that often they will run a separate bus for Riverside and FQ especially in the AM and PM when the hotels are full. If you have problems no the bus on/with the bus then I would immediately call transportation as well as let the guest services/front desk know. Then they can react to what is happening.

They are in competition during the day and not actively at the hotels and parks. But, they do have some down time at which time they are noticeable at both. Hopefully, though, there will be some chaperones to control certain parts of that.

But, switching to FQ might be a good option especially since she will be alone. It is a smaller resort and everything is much more compact. Might be easier to navigate when you have three kids by yourself.

MzEeyore
09-15-2004, 08:06 PM
I too was flexible with my dates so my daughter and I switched our dates from the 5th thru the 11th to the 12th thru the 18th. We won't be there on her birthday which is the 5th of Dec but we are going to celebrate it anyway. And we have switched to the Wilderness Lodge from the Polynesian with the Fall and Holiday package and we are saving a little money!! So more money to spend on -----US!!!!!! Yeah!!!

Joanie princess:

daisylove
09-15-2004, 08:11 PM
I have to cal tomorrow but I am worried. My friend tried to call today and she said that the CM said that nothing in value was available nor POFR. She got CBR and was told only CBR and CS was available 5-12. Does anyone like the CSR?

disneysnowflake
09-15-2004, 08:13 PM
My cousin's wife called me back. She was just upset because she thought these Pop kids would be loud at night. She's going to be there with her 3 kids by herself since her husband is serving overseas.

She was afraid that the Pop kids would be noisy at night. She has PS breakfasts planned and was afraid these kids would be loud and her little ones wouldn't be able to sleep. Then everyone would be cranky all day. She was very disappointed.

She still says she's changing to Pop Century. She's calling in the morning. She never used the BAT code or anything with Riverside. She says unless she can get a deluxe with BAT at the same rate as she got with a mod using AAA she'll go to Pop Century.

I wouldn't feel bad because my cousin's wife cried. I think she's just disappointed, plus she misses her husband and such, too, plus she's nervous about taking 3 kids by herself to Disney. This whole Pop Warner thing just added onto her already worried self.

I do thank you for posting what you were told by the CM. :)

Heidi in PA

cjsmom5
09-15-2004, 08:20 PM
My dad was in the military and I was a military "brat." It is so difficult for the wives when husbands ship overseas ... and visa versa. I can understand her apprehension. Tell her that the expectation at all hotels is that after 10pm people are to respect the traditonal expectation of quiet. If for whatever reason, people are loud ... then I would call the front desk and very nicely ask that they send security and take care of the situation. Typically they will do that quickly as they don't want any other complaints or problems. If that doesn't take care of it then I would recommend she talk to the front desk or hotel general manager the next day and let them know of her dissatisfaction with the noise level and how unhappy she is that the hotel didn't address it that night or that if they did it didn't last for long. Remember to be nice but firm in your expectation for quiet at night.

The other thing she can do is fax the "room assignor" at the PORiverside about 8 days prior to arrival (they get the names, etc. anywhere from 8-10 days out) and ask that they place you at the opposite end of the resort from those who will be there for Pop Warner. Tell your cousin to explain that her husband is overseas serving in the military and she is taking this trip alone and concerned about her kids being able to sleep at night ... etc. I would guess they will do what they can to try to make her experience enjoyable.

And, please tell your cousin ... thank you ... for not only her husbands service but for her "manning" the homefront. Their sacrifice is deeply appreciated.

disneysnowflake
09-15-2004, 08:36 PM
I sure will tell my cousin's wife that... but, you know what? If I tell her she will cry. lol. I'd be crying, too, if my husband was overseas. Thanks. :)

cjsmom5
09-15-2004, 11:06 PM
I don't mean to make her cry ... just want her to know that we do appreciate their sacrifice! I hope she has a wonderful time and "escapes" from life with her kids for just a little bit. We all need that ....

And, I know what you mean about crying ....

F1Julie
09-16-2004, 08:34 PM
I just switched from POFQ to AKL. Pop Warner wasn't entirely my motivation, but it was a factor. Even though I was just at AKL in August and I like to try somewhere new, I really loved it and when a discount opened up, I had to take it. My cheerleader and football player worries are over.

"thegirls"
09-16-2004, 10:31 PM
As of yesterday...Pop Centry is not being used for ANY group events. I know because I am trying to put together a group trip to Disney. (not pop-warner...handicapped children for a senior trip). The groups CM said that Pop will not be used for groups at least through june of 05. And remember Pop Centry has it's own buses seperate from the All Stars!!

Winnie Pooh Fan
09-17-2004, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by F1Julie
I just switched from POFQ to AKL. Pop Warner wasn't entirely my motivation, but it was a factor. Even though I was just at AKL in August and I like to try somewhere new, I really loved it and when a discount opened up, I had to take it. My cheerleader and football player worries are over.


Oh no, we changed from Pop to POFQ due to the Pop Warner invasion. Our dates are Dec 3-5th, I assumed I'd be okay at POFQ and Pop Warner would be at values, should I try to switch??

F1Julie
09-17-2004, 09:48 AM
Pop Warner will be at POR, but no POFQ. You may run into them on the shared buses, but I don't think it will be too bad. They will not be at Pop, so you could switch back to that.

RebeccaLovesDisney
09-17-2004, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by "thegirls"
As of yesterday...Pop Centry is not being used for ANY group events. I know because I am trying to put together a group trip to Disney. (not pop-warner...handicapped children for a senior trip). The groups CM said that Pop will not be used for groups at least through june of 05. And remember Pop Centry has it's own buses seperate from the All Stars!!

This is great news about PC! Looks like we'll be ok staying there during the Cheerleader:cheer2: competition.

Just curious, did the CM you spoke with tell you which resorts are used for group events. I know the All Stars are, but any Mods other than POR and any Deluxes?

cjsmom5
09-17-2004, 02:23 PM
Coronado Springs is considered a convention hotel as well as the Contemporary and I believe the Grand Floridian -- depending on the type of convention.

A lot will depend on what the group is looking for, also. The above have meeting room space and are more likely to attract "conventions" and "business type meetings" or large group meetings that need onsite space for the group to meet. Places like AS and POR do not have space and are just used for rooms.

daisylove
09-17-2004, 03:21 PM
Just got my ressies yesterday at POP. AP and Fla res rates were almost impossible to get but I think I got the last room under those rates. My friend (also a CM) called today and could not get 2 rooms at Fla res, Ap or her CM discount for a room at POP. So I guess a lot of people are choosing POP since POP Warner is taking over the other values.

emmabelle
09-21-2004, 10:37 AM
Hello, I'm a mom who hopes her daughter's cheering squad makes it to Disney for Pop Warner Week. I've never been there in December and would love to go. I just found out that they changed the competition from one level of competition to three - novice, intermediate, and advanced. So, New England for example used to send sixteen teams to Florida, now they will send 48 teams, good for my daughter, scary for anyone booked into the All Stars that week. It's probably info that no one wanted to hear, but I thought I'd give a heads up. :D

Winnie Pooh Fan
09-21-2004, 11:12 AM
Do you know what day they will arrive at the resorts?

vjc715
09-21-2004, 11:55 AM
Here is Disney's link for the event:

http://dwws.disney.go.com/wideworldofsports/sportingevents/sportingevent/sportingeventindex?id=SPORPopWarner04SporEvn

I changed resorts when I called and found out they were also staying at POR!

emmabelle
09-21-2004, 12:09 PM
Winnie Pooh Fan,

Last year our football team made the playoffs and we were given info on Florida in the event that they won (unfortunately they lost the fourth playoff game out of six). Since the team didn't play until Wednesday of the week, our plans would have been to arrive on the Tuesday. So there is the possibility that not all the teams will be there on Sunday the 5th of December. Each organization may decide when they will arrive depending on when they compete. I was looking on Pop Warners site to see when the cheerleaders are competing this year but couldn't find the info on their website. Last year the cheerleaders competed on the Thurs and Friday of the week, but if they have more teams competing this year, I would image that they would be competing on extra days. Hope this helps. :D

The4OfUs
09-21-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by emmabelle
Hello, I'm a mom who hopes her daughter's cheering squad makes it to Disney for Pop Warner Week. I've never been there in December and would love to go. I just found out that they changed the competition from one level of competition to three - novice, intermediate, and advanced. So, New England for example used to send sixteen teams to Florida, now they will send 48 teams, good for my daughter, scary for anyone booked into the All Stars that week. It's probably info that no one wanted to hear, but I thought I'd give a heads up. :D

:wave2: Another Pop Warner mom here, hoping to visit in December - I didn't realize the new setup, emmabelle, how cool for the girls!

I hope people realize how incredibly hard these girls and boys work for this...4 nights a week, 2 hours a night for August, 3 nights a week/2 hours a night once school is in, games every weekend, various competitions. AND Pop Warner is VERY strict in terms of grades, they have to do all this, fund raise, etc, AND keep their grades high. This is not a group of slackers or anything, and they do deserve this if they manage to get that far. Physically it is incredibly demanding, cheering is not only about "supporting the team" anymore, it's "flyers" (the girls who get thrown in the air) and acrobatics and some intense dance moves, it's pushups and situps and laps around the football field. These are good kids who are just that, kids, my daughter's group is 32 girls aged 10-13, with a head coach who keeps them in line. I just wanted to point out to those that are horrified by this that you have a good group of kids here who are working hard to get to this point, and they deserve a little understanding. :D

Now I will say that I have not been to one of these, don't the girls need a chaperone to go with them? And if that's the case, I'd say it sounds like the chaperones need to step in a little more, I know for sure I will if we get to go down! *grin*

emmabelle
09-21-2004, 01:14 PM
The 4 of us,

I hear you! My daughter does work very hard and she's a flyer so that adds to my worries. She cheers for the B squad- Jr. Midgets, how about your daughter? We actually played our last playoff game in your stadium in Westford, last year (It's a small world after all) unfortunately they were eliminated which is always heartbreaking.

I wouldn't let my daughter go alone, but I image some parents do, because of work, family or financial reasons. I would think it would be a huge responsibilty to watch someone else's child for the week. I'd be a wreck by the end.

The new cheeriing setup is going to be so much better, some teams could never compete against some of the other cities and towns, so it gives everyone a fair chance at it. :D

The4OfUs
09-21-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by emmabelle
The 4 of us,

I hear you! My daughter does work very hard and she's a flyer so that adds to my worries. She cheers for the B squad- Jr. Midgets, how about your daughter? We actually played our last playoff game in your stadium in Westford, last year (It's a small world after all) unfortunately they were eliminated which is always heartbreaking.

I wouldn't let my daughter go alone, but I image some parents do, because of work, family or financial reasons. I would think it would be a huge responsibilty to watch someone else's child for the week. I'd be a wreck by the end.

The new cheeriing setup is going to be so much better, some teams could never compete against some of the other cities and towns, so it gives everyone a fair chance at it. :D

My daughter cheers for Pee Wee Gold - Westford only has one Pee Wee team, so that narrows it down.

I did not realize that kids could go down alone, and that would explain the reactions of many here, which I found fairly upsetting (apologies to all! *grin*) - I was also told that they would not be allowed (or have time) to go to the parks, so perhaps the bad groups others have run into might be other organizations - I hate to see the broad brush used when so many of these kids work their tails off for recognition of this sort.

I don't think we'll know the dates/times of the competitions for a while, is that right?? I know that our first competition is October 23rd, but the time hasn't even been assigned yet, so I doubt we'd know about check-in/check-out for FL yet?

Even if we don't make it, I'm proud that she's been part of this and am impressed by the organization in general...so I just want to say to anyone down there when the kids are there, just keep in mind how much tough work they do, and give them a quick thumbs up! :thewave:

cjsmom5
09-21-2004, 02:01 PM
Unfortunately a few bad apples can taint the whole bunch. I have been down at WDW during these times and know for certain that the crowds we see in the parks are definitely Pop Warner. I have also been at the POR when they stayed there. For the most part, they are fine. But, I think it is difficult in the parks and at the resorts when chaperones don't realize how their activity affects others around them. For instance, cheering at 6:30am is not being courteous. Cheering is loud, no matter who you are. And while my DH coached hs and college for 16 years ... I woudln't appreciate being woken up to that.

Also, in the parks, often chaperones let them break into smaller groups but tell them keep together in that small group They can't be with everyone. At those times, I have noticed the language that comes out their mouths is not always pleasing...plus, they are kids. They run in and out of crowds, yell at each other, congregate in large groups where there is some horseplay, and unfortunately it tends to affect other guests. I have seen the same thing happen in the food court. They aren't held accountable to throw away their stuff and can make a horrific mess on the beverage area. But, that being said ... they are kids. And, one day, I'm sure mine will be right there.

Some comes down to the fact that chaperones have to be really on top of it and there are those, again a few, that give everyone a bad name. And, just simply the numbers make them obvious to guest resorts in many ways.

I agree they work their tails off and mostly good kids. But at WDW they do have an impact on other guests -- sometimes that can be good and other times not so good.

cyndibelle
09-21-2004, 03:17 PM
vjc715..do you know all the resorts they are going to be staying at??? if i am woke up at 6:30 in the morning by anyone cheering outside my window..let me tell you....i am not a morning person..:mad:

The4OfUs
09-21-2004, 03:23 PM
They did NOT cheer on the hotel grounds at 6:30am, did they?? :eek: Why would they do that, when so much of their score in competitions depends on how loud they are! I can't believe they'd be that disrepectful, or that the hotels would ALLOW that, I was given the impression that they would do that stuff at the sports complex!

IMO, that's something that the front desk should have stopped IMMEDIATELY, wouldn't you think?

Unfortunately a few bad apples can taint the whole bunch.

While I agree that it's the bad ones you remember, painting the whole group with that one impression is not very fair...for every bad kid, there's many more good ones who deserve as much respect as you'd want your kids to get. That's all I'm saying. A few bad apples will give a bad impression, but they do not taint the "good apples" and therefore make them bad, right? :teeth:

Valera
09-21-2004, 03:29 PM
Children and Disney go hand in hand and should always be expected as part of any trip.

I really don't think the statements made by those about the Pop Warner participants is anything against these groups of children. I think most would applaud their efforts.

That being said, large groups of children no matter if they are A students or D students tend to be noisy and difficult to manage no matter what group they are with. Supervision of large groups is just plain difficult.

I think that planning to avoid the resorts these children will be at just makes sense. It will make the entire trip better for all. Especially after the post that the numbers may be even higher this year than in past.

cjsmom5
09-21-2004, 03:51 PM
I agree with Valera. I have been in a position to supervise just such groups in the past (almost 16 years) and for the most part the kids are wonderful and lots of fun. I enjoyed it then.

However, in this season of my life, I would prefer not to place myself in the position to spend my vacation time with them at the same resort. Just preference. When they are well behaved and having fun in the parks ... I enjoy watching them. They are always so full of life.

That is why I think that these boards are a wonderful tool. If you don't want to encounter them then you can change your dates or the hotel. That is better for everyone all the way around. The kids don't want cranky people around to spoil their fun, either.

vjc715
09-21-2004, 07:34 PM
cyndibelle....when I called....they told me ALL Star Resorts and POR Riverside. I never asked them to elaborate which All Star resort, as i was in a gasp to find out about POR.

I chose to change resorts after calling and finding out the info.
I agree with Valera & cjsmom5 :wave:

Dopey's twin Dippy
09-21-2004, 08:00 PM
we were at ammusic from 8/27 to 9/3. we arrived on a thurs. after lunch. we started to notice the FOOTBALL TEAMS.........lol. it turned out some arrived a few days before us , some a few days after. i guess they had a big game that sat.morn and a few had the big game sun. morning. For the most it wasnt really bad. my dd15 and 2 friends talked to a few.......ha ha ....they seemed ok. every now and then the drink area in the food court was a real DISASTER......also the night before we arrived they said the pool was crazy!!!!!!!! i actually found that there was 1 woman, i think she was an assistant coach, or something like that, well when she GOT on the BUS, you knew that SHE ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!oh my god, i never heard ANYONE in my life so LOUD. We were all like :ok we know you all are here with the football teams....." and we noticed alot of the "people (whether they were coaches, etc) were ALWAYS SCREAMING to one of them WAY down the other end of the bus...........Then my FAVORITE was the RIDE on the BUs to the park one night-------We had 4 girls SINGING their song over and over and over and over and over.............(get it) the whole bus was ready to SCREAM..............but all in all.......we did have fun.

SBowman722
09-23-2004, 12:51 PM
I am a Footall Mom and Cheerleading Mom with that said I totally get where your are coming from. Just to let everyone know that the Cheerleaders will be there the entire week starting this year.
they have broken up the divisions and there will be more kids going to Nationals this year. I myself am going in October so my wish is for football to end in November or I too will have to endore the Pop Warner thing. It's a great experience for the kids but they need to learn to be a little more respectful of the other guests in and out of the parks.