*Squeal!* Jack Sparrow to be added to Pirates!

[GeekChic]

I just got my Unofficial Guide for 2005 today: and on page 434 in a box called "a peek behind the scenes with jim Hill it says"

Hey, that Pirate looks sorta familliar

Following the success of Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean feature film, theme park guests have been asking where in the attraction to find Captain Jack Sparrow. Well, you can't...yet. But- if everything goes according to plan- you should be able to see an animatronic figure of johnny Depp lurching throught his ride at about the time that the first of two Pirates of the Caribbean sequels sails into theaters.



*SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL!!!!!!!! I so cannot wait! They shoud put Will and Barbosa in there too while they're at it!

HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY!!!!!!!!!

[KNWVIKING]

I thought I read in an old thread that nothing would be added to the ride from the movie. The reason had to do with the contract Brockenhimer (sp) had with Disney where he would receive a certain royalty for every guest that went thru PoTC after one of his charactors were added. I believe AV posted that bit of info.

[GeekChic]

maybe this is new info? I mean, this book was just released either this or last week...(still hoping!)

geek

[exDS vet]

Originally posted by GeekChic
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL!!!!!!!! I so cannot wait! They shoud put Will and Barbosa in there too while they're at it!

HAPPY HAPPY, JOY JOY!!!!!!!!!

I don't see the value in adding characters from the Pirates movie to the ride. IMHO, original Disney attractions like POTC should not be altered or turned into motion pictures.

Although 95% of Disney is based on movies and stories, I have no interest in seeing their product turned the other way around. Imagine "Mark VII Monorail; Tragedy on The Tracks" in theaters. Does this mean they should put a miniature monorail car inside a real one? That's sarcasm for those who don't get it.

Seriously though, reading about the possible defacing of a true Disney classic really makes me SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL! It scares me because I think updates are okay, but I don't like the idea of seeing Eddie Murphy in the Haunted Mansion any time soon.

This post was edited from a previously written post of mine that caused a hostile uproar. How some people can claim to be Disney fans and be so mean and aggressive at the same time is beyond me. There's no magic here, just hostility and a great deal of closed minds. Gee, I hope I'm not one of them.

[Distriv]

Originally posted by exDS vet
"Mark VII Monorail; Tragedy The Tracks"

I smell an Oscar contender!

[Prince Eric1]

Originally posted by exDS vet
I think adding characters from the Pirates movie would be a terrible thing to do at any of the Disney parks. I have long held the opinion that movies named after Disney attractions are a terrible idea and just some new effort to try and make money.

I have not, and will not ever see one of these movies or any future films named after theme park attractions. When "Mark VII Monorail; Tragedy The Tracks" hits theaters, maybe they will put a miniature monorail car inside a real one. That's a great idea.

Seriously though, reading about the possible defacing of a true Disney classic really makes me SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL! If it happens, I will have no choice but to boycott one of my favorite Disney attractions.

I thought the whole point of being in the entertainment business is to make money. This is Disney World, not a church. Adding a character is not defacing, its updating and keeping current with your audience. I think it would be cool to see the characters added to the ride, but it would not make me go or not go just for this. Anyway, if you choose not to see POTC because it was named after a ride, its your loss. I thought it was a very entertaining movie and can't wait for the next one. My kids also loved the Haunted Mansion and I bought the DVD for them.

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by exDS vet
I have long held the opinion that movies named after Disney attractions are a terrible idea and just some new effort to try and make money.And I've been boycotting all of attractions based on Disney movies---Buzz Lightyear, Dinosaur, Peter Pan, etc.!

Seriously, though, what's the big deal? It's just another story idea. They screwed up in Country Bears, but Pirates of the Caribbean is a great flick.

[randytenn]

This is Disney World, not a church.

Exactly. Things change. Rides get updated. Disney isn't suppose to be a museum. Would you want Pirates to still have the same old style animatronic figures they had when it was built, or do you enjoy the upgraded, better motion units?

Having Jack Sparrow in the ride doesn't increase my enthusiasm for the ride, nor does it decrease it. It's still one of my favorite rides.

[WebmasterCricket]

I wouldn't want Eddie Murphy in the mansion, I don't want Depp in my dark ride.

It's not broke, don't try to fix it.

JC

[Mickmse2002]

I thought all the pirates already looked like Jack Sparrow. Loved the movie, love the ride, and think any updates can be good.

[RadioNate]

So let me get this straight, you against adding a DVC to the Contemporary because it will ruin your nostalgic memories of the resort but your excited about adding Jack Sparrow to Pirates?

That means you have no nostalgic memories of PoTC right?

Just clarifing

[chvyman411]

Personally, I did not like the movie. I thought it was pretty boring.

[ErikdaRed]

In my mind they already screwed up pirates when they made it PC. And I don't really get how adding a new animatronic figure is really going to change anything. If he pops up throughout the ride, maybe, but I doubt they are going to go that far.

[GeekChic]

Originally posted by RadioNate
So let me get this straight, you against adding a DVC to the Contemporary because it will ruin your nostalgic memories of the resort but your excited about adding Jack Sparrow to Pirates?

That means you have no nostalgic memories of PoTC right?

Just clarifing

geez! do people have to pick on everything that i post?
i don't feel welcome here at all :(

and to the person boycotting the movie cause it was based on a ride...very loosely based actually, it's a fun movie.

shutting up now.

[KNWVIKING]

***"geez! do people have to pick on everything that i post?
i don't feel welcome here at all"***


...... It's what we do here. Don't shut up or go away, join in the fun :-)

[GeekChic]

thanks for the invite to join in knwviking...but i have gotten the message loud and clear that i'm not welcome on the DIS.

take care!

geek

[RadioNate]

Hey everyone is welcome on the Dis.

I was really just trying to understand why adding a character to PoTC was different than adding DVC to the Contemporary.

[DukeStreetKing]

Way to go, RadioNate, you meanie!

:p

[Spinning]

not to totally hijack this thread but:


In my mind they already screwed up pirates when they made it PC.

What exactly did they change? I enjoy the ride and thought it seemed different the last time I road it but couldn't figure out why. So what did they change?
Thanks..

Oh and to put this back on topic....silly idea....bit I would love to have Captain Jack walking around the park....Nice little photo op!

[DukeStreetKing]

Years ago they changed the scene where the pirates where chasing after the women. Now the pirates are being chased by the women. Apparently, some of the pirates have taken platters of food from the tables or whatever.

I enjoyed the old version better.

[Planogirl]

Aren't some of those who are going on about how bad it would be to change Pirates, some of the same people who say that change is good and necessary? Aren't updates considered a good thing? Or are there suddenly exceptions? :confused:

I'm as much a traditionalist as almost anyone but I fail to see how changing a face on an existing pirate makes any difference. After all, it's not like Disney would be tearing down an existing ride or changing the style of an original resort or anything like that!

POC was a good movie and quite popular so trying to please the masses makes sense. Or doesn't it?

[GrimGhost]

I'm as much a traditionalist as almost anyone but I fail to see how changing a face on an existing pirate makes any difference. After all, it's not like Disney would be tearing down an existing ride or changing the style of an original resort or anything like that!
..Alright this is the second post(different thread) that I have agreed with you completely..

I lurked on the RB for years because of what happened to the OP and a desire not to feel humiliated. As Viking pointed out though it is all in fun and what the board is intended for, though sometimes it does seem mean-spirited.

[DVC-Landbaron]

Planogirl!

DITTO!!

[Prince Eric1]

Originally posted by Planogirl
Aren't some of those who are going on about how bad it would be to change Pirates, some of the same people who say that change is good and necessary? Aren't updates considered a good thing? Or are there suddenly exceptions? :confused:

I'm as much a traditionalist as almost anyone but I fail to see how changing a face on an existing pirate makes any difference. After all, it's not like Disney would be tearing down an existing ride or changing the style of an original resort or anything like that!

POC was a good movie and quite popular so trying to please the masses makes sense. Or doesn't it?

Some people would try to keep Disney the exact same as it was 30 years ago, nothing new, no updates, etc. I for one love new rides and new twists on rides, and if they do not make changes or add new things people will get bored and stop coming. Its a shame the op posted such an innocent post and had to get such a hostile response.

[RadioNate]

I was snarky and it's obvious that the OPs feelings were hurt so I'm sorry for that.

However.
Aren't some of those who are going on about how bad it would be to change Pirates, some of the same people who say that change is good and necessary? Aren't updates considered a good thing? Or are there suddenly exceptions?
Couldn't you say the same thing about the OP. Change for the CR is bad and unnecessary but adding Jack Sparrow to PoTC is an exception?

Eric your right, on it's own this thread is innocent enough however if you read the CR thread the OP basically calles any changes to the CR, terrible, horrible, very bad and talked about how adding a DVC in place of the North Wing would ruin the CR for her and so on and so on. While I'm not a DVC member the OP does sound a little condecending to DVC members. It just comes across strange that she's crying about one change (change is bad) and squealing about another (change is good).

So here's MY problem, are you for or against change? Does it depend on your attachment to the thing being changed? Heck I would have been just fine with things if the OP said "I'm for the PoTC change because I like Johnny Depp and I think the CR change is a bad move because I like it the way it is. I want the things I like and that's that!"

For the record neither change bothers me.

[a Really Bad Egg]

Big sigh. No matter what one says, there is always someone out there ready to flame.

Jack Sparrow would add interest. Change is good.

Boycott the rides because of it? So be it...one less person in line.

GeekChic (who is very very welcome here) would like Captain Jack around, and so would I. Flame on.

::MickeyMo

[NeverEnufWDW]

If it wasn't for change, we'd all still be dragging our knuckles on the ground............on second thought there are still a few of those people around today.....:rolleyes:

Pirates was a great movie and I see nothing wrong with adding Jack.

[exDS vet]

Originally posted by DukeStreetKing
Years ago they changed the scene where the pirates where chasing after the women. Now the pirates are being chased by the women. Apparently, some of the pirates have taken platters of food from the tables or whatever.

I enjoyed the old version better.

They also changed the part where the pirate is sitting next to a barrel holding a womans nightgown in his hand. Then the woman who the nightgown belongs to pops out of the barrel. Now there is a cat on top of the barrel and the pirate is eating.

I think if Disney did not want to offend people by the way the ride was originally set-up, they probably offended those who are over weight or who have eating disorders by changing it. Now it looks like the pirates are a different kind of pig, and the women chasing them are also gluttons of a different nature.

[exDS vet]

Change is in fact a good thing. Sometimes we are hesitant to things changing around us. In fact, I remember working for Disney when things were getting very low, and people saying that you must be a "change agent".

So for this post, I have dusted off my old "change" hat and edited my original reply to the OP. Sometimes I forget how things get reacted to when you post an alternative viewpoint on these boards. I won't lower my standards and expectations for Disney, but in the future, I will alter my communicative style when using these boards.

[cristen]

DITTO!!


You are wrong Baron.

As much as I love to look at Depp's face (sexy), adding him to the ride would be watering it down and commercializing the ride. I am sick of tie-ins.

Now, if they decide to do it to the lesser ride in WDW, doesn't matter, that ride is already jacked up.;)

[lisajl]

Originally posted by Webmaster Cricket:

I wouldn't want Eddie Murphy in the mansion, I don't want Depp in my dark ride.

YOU may not want Depp in your dark ride, but I will certainly take him in mine!;)

[exDS vet]

Originally posted by lisajl
YOU may not want Depp in your dark ride, but I will certainly take him in mine!;)

And what "Land" would that ride be in? pirate:

[lisajl]

Oh my! I am not sure what you are referring to, but if it is what I think it is....this thread may need to be closed!!pirate:

[Planogirl]

As I recall, there are four pirates in the cells trying to lure the dog that has the keys. If one of those pirates became Johnny Depp or Eddie Murphy or even Michael Eisner, would it actually change the ride? No!!!! The ride integrity would be intact, the story would remain the same and the show wouldn't be affected except for the inclusion of a real person's face.

Funny but no one has a problem with including animated characters from movies in attractions. It appears that the only issue is that Captain Sparrow is played by a real person. Is the inclusion of Harrison Ford as Indy in the Great Movie Ride and in that other place ;) in California a bad decision? Or is it acceptable since these attractions are new and not from Walt's time?

Just curious. The truth is that I'm on the fence about this possible change.

[petula]

The difference to me is that pirates the ride and pirates the movie are two different stories. I love both of them, but I see them as not really having much to do with each other and being separate things to love. Same with Eddie Murphy and Haunted Mansion (although I didn't love that movie). There's already a story going on in there, and if Eddie Murphy suddenly showed up, he'd be out of context. Harrison Ford, on the other hand, is there because those attractions were built based on the movies, just like Peter Pan and Snow White were.

Also, even though that issue isn't involved in the Energy attraction at all, I just don't like the Ellen animatronic very much. But the idea of Michael Eisner suddenly showing up as a pirate tickles me! ;)

[KNWVIKING]

ME could be the charactor in the well.

I personally don't have a problem with any ride being updated or tweaked. I'd like to see the cannons have bigger "explosions" on the water, something to splash the riders a bit....not soak them.... but just enough to add a few mild screams.

But how is PoTC improved simply by adding a Jack Sparrow charactor ? While I liked the old version of AE, I don't have a problem with them redoing the attraction to L&S. One, it becomes a whole new ride experience and second it's more family friendly, ( I've seen many kids chicken out in the que area and have seen kids in tears after the ride). So IMO the change is making good use of a new Disney charactor. I don't feel the same way about popping a Depp look alike in PoTC.

[dcentity2000]

Bloody hell, that comment up there was a bit dodgy...

As I recall, the ride has Sparrow in it - in a cell, lounging up against the gate, sitting down whilst his comrades try desperately to summon the dog with whilstles and food...



Rich::

[TheRustyScupper]

Please, let us remember that Walt used . . .
. . . movies to promote the park
. . . the park to promote the movies
. . . tv to promote both the park and the movies

I see no problem in having Sparrow in the POTC ride.
The movie and character are wildly popular and generate review.
This goes right along with Walt's methods.

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by TheRustyScupper Please, let us remember that Walt used . . .
. . . movies to promote the park
. . . the park to promote the movies
. . . tv to promote both the park and the movies
From the Wall Street Journal, February 13, 2004:

It was a textbook example of the "Disney way" of doing business: a new movie that set off a fountain of spinoffs. There was a theme-park attraction, a series of Simon & Schuster books, a soundtrack album and a line of toys and childrens' clothing featuring the beloved heroine. To make sure kids knew about the movie, Disney script writers planted repeated references to it in the company's television shows.

No, this isn't the marketing plan for "Home on the Range," the new Walt Disney Co. animated movie that opens later this year. It's the strategy that the old Walt Disney Productions executed back in 1958 to launch its classic "Sleeping Beauty" the following year.

[Mickmse2002]

Originally posted by TheRustyScupper
Please, let us remember that Walt used . . .
. . . movies to promote the park
. . . the park to promote the movies
. . . tv to promote both the park and the movies

I see no problem in having Sparrow in the POTC ride.
The movie and character are wildly popular and generate review.
This goes right along with Walt's methods.

I couldn't agree with you more. I mean the entire Disney company is represented by a mouse, a cartoon character. It would be silly to not cross-market.

[petula]

I guess I just wonder when they're going to stop cross-cross-cross marketing and start with something new.

[Mickmse2002]

Originally posted by petula
I guess I just wonder when they're going to stop cross-cross-cross marketing and start with something new.

I wonder the same thing myself at times. I was just addressing the fact that some folks were indicating that cross-marketing was bad and that Walt wouldn't want it that way when that simply isn't the case. That was my point. I too hope the imagineers are constantly working towards the new and exciting.

[petula]

Oh, wait! I think I've got a compromise! You know what I would like very much? A hidden Deppy! ;)

[Mickmse2002]

Originally posted by petula
Oh, wait! I think I've got a compromise! You know what I would like very much? A hidden Deppy! ;)


LOL :D

[raidermatt]

Planogirl is right... in and of itself, adding Depp's face is neither "good" nor "bad".

The question is HOW they do it, if in fact they are going to do it.

Change is not good just for the sake of change. Change is good when it has a purpose.

If the purpose is simply to capitalize on the success of the film, and all they do is change a face on an existing pirate, that's about the biggest Ho Hum I can think of. I can't see that really drawing anybody in, and it wouldn't be a big enough change to promote very heavily. It also wouldn't pose any threat to the ride either.

But if they are going to do more than that, then HOW they do it becomes more important.

The idea that they are going to monkey around with the attraction (if true) because of the success of a movie doesn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

But I'd like to see/hear what exactly they are going to do before condemning it or praising it.

I've read that they have some pretty good ideas for adding some updated effects to the attraction, and those were considered for the DL version for the 50th, but eventually were axed along with most of the other ideas.

If adding Depp allows them to justify other true advancements/improvements, then it could be good, even if I don't think it should be necessary.

[Planogirl]

I agree with Matt. Changing Pirates to go along with the movie is a scary prospect. If they just add Depp then it's a non-event but if they make a lot of other changes (Bloom in a swordfight, Rush and skeleton pirates all over the place, Keira hitting a Pirate with a sword) then it gets a little worrisome. Then the integrity of the ride might be compromised.

By the way, I'd prefer to see Eisner in the burning jail cell offering a bone to a dog that looks remarkably like Katzenberg. ;)

[a Really Bad Egg]

Wow...this is too much. It's a ride in an amusement park me 'earties.

::MickeyMo

[April76]

How about this....

Put Jack Sparrow in one of the prison cells (how about the one where the checker playing pirates are?

Put Barbossa on the attacking ship (there's already a Pirate Captain there)

Place Elizabeth in a row boat heading out to the pirate ship (of course you'd have to have the two pirates with her)

Put Will in the Port Royal scene wherever you like (hatchet in hand)

Wouldn't this be subtle enough to satisfy the "traditionalists" while giving the PoC fans something to "squeal" about? ;)

Just my 2 cents! :jester:

[petula]

How about we just put a Johnny Depp face on one of the pirates?

;)

[raidermatt]

Wow...this is too much. It's a ride in an amusement park me 'earties.
And what should we be discussing here on the Disney boards?

April76, the only one of your suggestions that sounds iffy to me is Elizabeth in a boat. The others are really just chaning faces, or adding a local. Could be viewed as the story from the movie, or still as part of the original ride story.

But Elizabeth in the boat is all movie... My first reaction isn't dead set against it, but I might prefer something more subtle.

But as a I think more about this, since the WDW version is really a poor imitation of the DL version, maybe changing the WDW version and leaving the DL version alone wouldn't be that bad a thing after all (If that is what they do).

[April76]

LOL! Okay ...... hmmmmm, how about we have Elizabeth being led away by the pirates through the chaos in town?? ;)

I think a subtle blend of ride theme and movie story would be okay.... as much as I love the movie, I still wouldn't want it to completely overshadow the original ride.

It's been fun to talk about this, but I really doubt we'll ever see our favorite PoC characters added to the ride (but we can dream)!

:teeth:

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by raidermatt
Could be viewed as the story from the movie, or still as part of the original ride story.What exactly is the original ride story?