DVC Pools, Pool Hopping, Etc.

[Mickmse2002]

I have posted in this thread several times in response to opinions and statements of others so here I go again. Here's where I am coming from:

1. I agree that all people should be respectful of others: kids, teens, adults.
2. Families with kids should be able to use, in good conscience, any pool they want as long as they follow the rules. Common sense dictates this.
3. Others should have a reasonable expectation of "leisure". But "leisure" is a totally subjective thing. What is leisurely for one person may be boring for another or hectic for another. Other people cannot be responsible for you finding fulfilling leisure time, only you can.
4. Everyone has the same right of use, within the rules, so accept it and move on.
5. Not all kids/families/teens/adults enjoy the large trademark pools so why should they be relegated to them?
6. When anyone is disturbing the peace address it either with the people or CM's.
7. Everyone should accept responsibility for their families. Whether the inappropriate behavior is from a kid, teen, mom, dad or grandma and grandpa.

[crisi]

Lets talk about Disney and how they use words.

DisneySpeak is an interesting topic. Housekeepers are "Cast Members" because at Disneyworld, everything is a stage. Gee, I'm not used to thinking that my hotel room is a stage, but ok. As such, they wear "costumes." Where I come from we call those uniforms. Of course, we are all Guests, although the last time my host presented me with a bill running a few thousand dollars, I considered myself a "customer." A child stops being a child at 10 for tickets. Rides are never rides, they are attractions - although we have all been "attracted" long before and by something more "attractive" than Small World.

Magic - dictionary.com
1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.
2.The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
3. The charms, spells, and rituals so used.
4. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.
5. A mysterious quality of enchantment: “For me the names of those men breathed the magic of the past” (Max Beerbohm).

Disney uses it in the 5th (and presumably least common) sense of the word.


Here is quiet:

1.Making little or no noise: quiet neighbors; a quiet engine.
2. Free of loud noise; hushed: a quiet street.
3. Calm and unmoving; still: a quiet lake.
4. Free of turmoil and agitation; untroubled. See Synonyms at still.
5. Restful; soothing: a quiet afternoon nap; a quiet tune on the flute.
6. Tranquil; serene: a quiet place in the country.
7. Not showy or garish; subdued: a room decorated in quiet colors.
8.Restrained in style; understated: a quiet strength; a quiet life.

We have to get down to definition 7 and 8, but that isn't uncommon for Disneyspeak, before we discover that quiet may have nothing to do with noise, and more to do with style. i.e "we didn't bother to theme this by doing much more than a few plants and some tile."

[jarestel]

I think there are 2 different arguments here -
1. The people who are saying that noisy, after hours pool guests should know better than to be hooting and hollering in the pool at midnight or the people who are disturbing others by flinging various projectiles around the pool area as if they were the only ones in the area.
2. The people who are saying that children making noise in a pool in the middle of the afternoon are out of line.

Argument #1 has a lot of merit, argument #2 is not so strong.

[Desperado]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
..... It is one of the rare places where parents should be able to let their hair down too and not have to worry about their kids enjoying themselves "annoying" other people.
I don't think that children should be given a license to automatically annoy other guests and parents can abdicate all parental guidance because it is WDW. There are an overwheliming number of places at WDW where children can be loud and have a wonderful time. They can have a wonderful time at quiet pools after hours, it just needs to be more subdued and less noisy. That is certainly not an outragous request. Sorry, but the statement above makes little sense.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
I don't think that children should be given a license to automatically annoy other guests and parents can abdicate all parental guidance because it is WDW. There are an overwheliming number of places at WDW where children can be loud and have a wonderful time. They can have a wonderful time at quiet pools after hours, it just needs to be more subdued and less noisy. That is certainly not an outragous request. Sorry, but the statement above makes little sense.
Desperado, read on, of course you know that is not what I meant. Jeez some people like to argue a point till death. This thread has just passed into ridiculous! So maybe read on before you quote. It came out wrong and rather than edit the post I responded and clarrified my thought sheesh!

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
Vero could handle plenty just like the WDW pools if they would police crashers.
I completely dissagree, Vero could not handle an all year membership approach.
Originally posted by kkmauch
....we are planning also to go back to our "home" at SSR and use "our" pool at least once. We loved it in May and can't wait to get back. I would hate to not be able to use our home pool when we are in WDW.
Is pool hopping allowed at SSR? I didn't think it was, perhaps someone could correct me.

[Desperado]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
... of course you know that is not what I meant....
Sorry, I cannot read your mind, I only know what you type.

Jeez some people like to argue a point till death.

It takes at least two.:rolleyes:

[las3888]

Okay, I'm done with this thread because I see it is going nowhere.

I am glad if even one family opened their eyes a little to realize that quiet pools are most likely intended to be well, quiet...not over-run by kids that are diving for objects, splashing or whatnot. OR loud adults. Just 'following the rules' isn't good enough for me. I can't believe really we are having this debate, but again, when I see 'quiet pool' listed on my map, hello - I expect it to not be over-run with screaming kids.

I am sorry for those who are pretty obstinate about the issue. You have every right legally to take your kids to these pools, and yes, it helps if you 'follow the rules', but my guess is for those who are pretty obstinate about it I suspect you see your kids through somewhat rose-colored-glasses. You seem to be wanting to put yourselves and your kids above just plain old common courtesy and you seem to be finding every excuse in the book to justify your actions. You are re-defining quiet every which way just to fit your own situation. It is really laughable.

At any rate, while you obviously don't care, I am going to say it again - do you ever notice people who get up and leave when your family comes? When you bring your noisy family to the quiet pool and it has been relatively quiet, most of us are cursing inside wondering WHY ON EARTH CAN'T YOU LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE AND TAKE YOUR KIDS A FEW YARDS AWAY TO THE LUNA PARK POOL????? You may ignore us, think it doesn't matter, but we are all pretty much thinking it. Now again, it seems you don't care, and feel you have every God-given right to take your kid wherever they desire to make this the best Disney experience ever without thinking about those around you, but I pretty much put you in the same category as those who maybe don't give up your seat on a bus for an elderly person. Just mostly thinking of yourselves and totally oblivious to others around you.

For those who keep insisting Disney is strictly for kids, obviously you missed that Disney does adults-only areas and does cater to adults-only on various levels - you just don't notice it because you are busy focusing on a family level vacation. Did you ever notice the wedding chapel that was built? Have you ever noticed all the couples walking around with the bride's and groom's ears? I went to Disney on my honeymoon myself. And yes, I did go to read at the quiet pool.

Go ahead and redefine the word 'quiet' to fit your family's needs. There hasn't been and probably isn't much I can do about it, but I will say that I think you (thankfully) are in the minority. When we went last May I looked through my Passporter as I recorded the memorable events of the day. I noted that on the first day I was disappointed with all the major activity from the kids at the quiet pool. Well, it was Memorial Day weekend, so I could understand if the other pool was probably crowded too. HOWEVER, all the rest of the days of our stay, the families with the loud kids either went home or stayed away and believe it or not - 500 people at BWV and not a one of them brought their loud kids to the quiet pool every afternoon when we were there for 2-3 hours. I guess some people do get it.

Thanks also to those who mentioned that they don't take their families to the quiet pool. Your courtesy is appreciated probably way more than you know.

[las3888]

Oh - one more thing I want to clarify. I do not expect the surrounding pools at OKW or SSR to really be all that quiet. I am not referring to these pools when I make my argument. I don't care what they are called, and I could see them changing the name to Leisure pool because those resorts are so sprawling, I think it is unrealistic for families to have to journey to the main attraction pool since they are so far. I think 'neighborhood pool' is appropriately describing those pools.

Where I think it makes sense is at BWV (because the 2 pools are essentially right next to each other), and BC. Maybe WL. Maybe Poly and GF although I haven't stayed there since they have redone their pool areas. I really mean it in areas where it is just SO easy to take your kids steps away to a pool that is built specifically for them with all the bells and whistles.

[tomerin]

recently we just returned from a 10 day stay at WL. yes, the pool issue disturbed me a bit. yes we are at disney and kids are at their maximum energy level so running around and general wild behavior at the pools can be confused to mean being inconsiderate to other guests.

we realized that kids will be kids at a pool and if there was a bit of rowdy behavior where i was relaxing it wasnt such a big deal for me to float away.

what bothered me at night ,well after 11pm was that parents were still letting their kids run amok. there really should be a time when the term "quiet pool" should be enforced. i was not the only person who felt this way. there were guests who were at the front desk complaining to a CM, who by the way went to the front desk because they didnt want to distract the lifeguard from doing their job, while i was buying E-ride tickets. we overheard another couple complaining about it in the elevator going up to our room.


i know this issue is somewhat overstated and should be put to rest but why not some real quiet time at pools in the resorts?

[Desperado]

las3888,
::yes::

[jarestel]

Originally posted by las3888
Go ahead and redefine the word 'quiet' to fit your family's needs.


You may be guilty of refusing to see that the word 'quiet' has more than just the one meaning you want to attribute to it. See crisi's post on page 7 for alternative meanings. Definitions 7 and 8 specifically. Quiet does not have to mean silence. You choose to define it that way, others use different, but just as appropriate, definitions.

[Muushka]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
Because we are talking about a person who finds children's voices piecing and wants families to avoid a pool if she is there. IMO that person should have rethought their choice of timeshare purchase.

Families should not be made to feel unwelcomed at WDW since that is the target audience of the world.

AND like I said in an earlier post obnoxiousness should not be tolerated no matter who it comes from be it child or adult but to tell people that if they see adults snoozing by a pool to shlep somewhere else gives me a right to suggest an alternative for them as well.

Plus if you are not happy with PI or even West Side for that matter that is what Disney provided for the adults. Since childless couples are not Disney's main target audience I don't expect anything more to be planned in the future.

Plus to request that pools be just for adults IMO is absurd...for WDW anyway.

With the thousands of vacation spots that would be inappropriate for people with children especially toddlers, who tend to raise their voices when excited, it is one of the few places a kid can be a kid. It is one of the rare places where parents should be able to let their hair down too and not have to worry about their kids enjoying themselves "annoying" other people.

We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??:rolleyes:

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.:confused:

[wintergreen]

There are reasons that families would want to use the quiet pools. Among others:

1) it is actually easier to keep an eye on your kids and control their behavior in the smaller pools.

2) sometimes the water temperature is warmer in the smaller pools, especially in colder months.

3) sometimes the smaller pools are closer to your room.

4) sometimes the kids actually enjoy the lower-key atmosphere themselves.

[CarolAnnC]

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[tjkraz]

las3888:

I don't want to belabor the issue, but I think the other "X" factor for which you are not accounting is the Disney CM factor. Have you ever contacted the front desk to complain about the rowdy groups experienced at the Quiet Pool?

Obviously you are very clear on your own personal definition of what that pool should be. Also, you clearly disagree with others' stance on the issue.

But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.

If you've read this forum for any amount of time, you know that most people agree the best way to address a maintenance issue is to make the resort aware of it and give them the opportunity to address the issue. I think the same applies here. Next time you feel chased away from the pool, take a trip to the front desk and see if they are willing to do anything about it.

I honestly have no idea what sort of response you would receive. It's entirely possible that you would be vindicated. But, knowing the "Disney" way of doing things, I think it's equally possible that you may find your definition of a "Quiet Pool" may not necessarily agree with Disney's.

[SSRex]

I have never read anything about SSR's pool being on no pool hopping list. We hopped there from BCV 2 weeks ago and there were no signs like at Luna Pool or anyone checking anything else.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
Sorry, I cannot read your mind, I only know what you type.

It takes at least two.:rolleyes:
Then you would see that the rest of my post never said this...if I placed a comma appropriately then I would have not confused some. But later on I explained what I had meant. Sorry my typing is not proficient.
Either way WDW is planned for children and families as are their pools some people need to realize that before planning a "relaxing" trip to WDW. There is no way WDW or DVC should even consider limiting pools no matter how many/few to adults.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Muushka
We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??:rolleyes:

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.:confused:

Well see this is where you are mistaken all the pools at WDW resorts are family pools. Just because quiet or leisure is on the map does not mean they are adults only.

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[wdwa1]

Originally posted by tjkraz
las3888:
.................................
But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.

.......... most people agree the best way to address a maintenance issue is to make the resort aware of it and give them the opportunity to address the issue. I think the same applies here. Next time you feel chased away from the pool, take a trip to the front desk and see if they are willing to do anything about it.

I honestly have no idea what sort of response you would receive. It's entirely possible that you would be vindicated. But, knowing the "Disney" way of doing things, I think it's equally possible that you may find your definition of a "Quiet Pool" may not necessarily agree with Disney's.
I agree, if there is a problem go to resort mgmt personnel.
I think you may be pleasantly surprised with their response. I have read of quite a few guests getting a lot of satisfacation from resort managers regarding pool/hot tub issues--when there are valid reasons/concerns.
IMO the best place to get the resort's policy/definition of their quiet pool is from the resort management personnel.

[Desperado]

I think reasonableness is the best guideline. Some people are unreasonable in thier allowance of thier children's behavior and loud noise levels at quiet pools. Other families use quiet pools in consideration of others. Some families are unreasonable in late night noise at quiet pools. Others are considerate of fellow guests.

[Muushka]

Thank you wintergreen for your explanation of why people bring families to the leisure pool. That makes perfect sense to me.


This will be my last post on this thread. :wave: .

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Muushka
We will just have to agree to disagree. Either I am not reading your posts correctly or you are not reading my posts correctly.

I did not say that families should not swim at the 'leisure' pools.

Childrens voices are not piercing. Their screams are.

I do not enjoy PI and West Side at night. Sorry. I guess (according to you) the only alternative to escape children's screaming is to go to an adult scene of loud noise and drinking. I can't imagine why I don't enjoy that??:rolleyes:

I just wonder why it is that someone with children that want to let their hair down don't just do it at the family pool? Does not make sense to me.:confused:
I am responging to the entire thread and not just you. If I quoted you it was to answer your post initially and explain why I had posted something. My entire post usually are not just a response to one person...usually. Also I never said people should deal with children screaming, come on now.
What I saiud is that Disney is a family place geared towards families with children. If people (not just you in particular) would like a vacation relaxing by the pool reading a book or snoozing then WDW might not be a good fit. To say that there should be a pool dedicated to adults is a bad idea IMO since the World caters to families with children.

Now for my disclaimer:
I do not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. None of my posts have even remotely defended the obnoxious rude behaviors. (except maybe the one I had to go re read and repost because I forgot to add a comma) This includes parents who let their children run amok no matter what the hour. Adults who expect children who are playing to be quiet in WDW because they "dealt with them all day" People who intrude on others space or use a pool as their personal football fields. People who chair save for the entire day only to use the chair for 10 minutes. People who move bathers belongings on the ground without checking to see if the owner is in the pool. The obnoxious list can go on.

So I have never said that I disagree that people who are screaming after 11 should be tolerated. A CM should handle the issue accordingly.

My only intention of my posting on this thread was that I do not agree with the fact that quiet/leisure pools should be for adults only and that children should not go in them when families see adults dozing/reading by the pool. To suggest that the families have to go to the higher active themed pool nis absurd (again not saying you said this but it is on this thread). Like was mentioned pages ago some kids don't even enjoy all the excitement or some people want to take a dip closer to their rooms.

So to sum it up two thumbs down for adult pools and two thumbs down to expecting kids to be quiet while they play..

[Desperado]

"I don't not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. "

It's a minor point, but actually, this statement is a double negative, and what it says is that you think obnoxious people should be given a pass to do whatever they want. You should probably change it to "don't think" or "do not think", but with "don't not think" both of the negatives cancel each other out and make it a positive statement that you "do think".


.... two thumbs down to parents failing to be considerate to other guests by not providing proper guidance to children concerning noise and behavior at quiet pools late at night.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
"I don't not think obnoxious people (by my definition or people are humans from age 0-150) should be given a pass to do whatever they want. "

It's a minor point, but actually, this statement is a double negative, and what it says is that you think obnoxious people should be given a pass to do whatever they want. You should probably change it to "don't think" or "do not think", but with "don't not think" both of the negatives cancel each other out and make it a positive statement that you "do think".


.... two thumbs down to parents failing to be considerate to other guests by not providing proper guidance to children concerning noise and behavior at quiet pools late at night.
hahahahaha so much for typing fast sorry it should read I do not think...blah blah LOL God I am having a rough day today LOL.

[disneymom2one]

I really don't think "quiet" pool means "adults only." I happen to have a nine year old with mild autism. Sometimes certain sights/sounds are too much for her to handle so a themed pool doesn't work. I never know and it changes from day to day. But if I bring her to a quiet pool because the themed pool is too much then I don't feel a need to have her be quiet and still. She's still a kid and if she wants to laugh and have a good time at the quiet pools I don't consider that inconsiderate. There are no rules stating "adults only". We expect her to courteous but to be quiet at a pool she's clearly allowed to use?

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by disneymom2one
I really don't think "quiet" pool means "adults only." I happen to have a nine year old with mild autism. Sometimes certain sights/sounds are too much for her to handle so a themed pool doesn't work. I never know and it changes from day to day. But if I bring her to a quiet pool because the themed pool is too much then I don't feel a need to have her be quiet and still. She's still a kid and if she wants to laugh and have a good time at the quiet pools I don't consider that inconsiderate. There are no rules stating "adults only". We expect her to courteous but to be quiet at a pool she's clearly allowed to use?
This is why the name is changing to leisure and why this thread will go on about what quiet means. To some it means no themeing, to ofhers it means actual quiet. Your daughter has every right to enjoy the pool like all guests of WDW...and she doesn't have to be quiet btw ;)

[Dean]

Originally posted by Desperado
I completely dissagree, Vero could not handle an all year membership approach.

Is pool hopping allowed at SSR? I didn't think it was, perhaps someone could correct me. We can disagree, that's OK. I feel VB could easily handle day guests on a space available basis if they police crashers. They have far more crashers than they're likely to EVER have day guests. But as I tried to convey, I'm not saying they should do it, only that they could for VB owners, not all DVC owners. Marriott only allows owners at that resort as day guests.

And yes SSR is open to PH, subject to the rules set forth for PH. Only BCV and AKL have been banned from the PH program so far. Here are the current rules.
Water Activities




Pool-Hopping Information for 2004
You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, and Disney's Beach Club Villas are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World® Resort hotel pools (in addition to the resort hotel at which you are staying) if the resort hotel pools are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your Walt Disney World® Resort ID card with your "DVC Member" designation on it to use the other pools. This offer is not available at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts.


Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time due to capacity limitations. Due to the high occupancy that is expected, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:




April 3 - 11, 2004

May 28 - 31, 2004

June 28 - July 4, 2004

November 22 - 28, 2004

December 18, 2004 - January 2, 2005




*Other restricted dates may be added based on projected pool capacity. But it would seem that the one interpretation that matters the most is Disney's.
And since Disney has not posted adults only or any other guidelines, they have spoken loudly. As I previoulsy addressed, as did many others, there is an acceptable behavior for children and adults, that is not in question. And I see no reason it should be different for any pool in question. While Disney generally doesn't kick people out, the pools have clearly defined closing times. It amuses me that anyone can interpret the term "quiet pools" at WDW to mean adults only or nearly so. It is unreasonable not to expect children to act like children no matter what pool they are at and yes, it can get annoying when they do.

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Dean
We can disagree, that's OK. I feel VB could easily handle day guests.....
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[Uncleromulus]

This is sort of on the subject and may be interesting to some--
Long time ago we belonged to a very popular pool that had "memberships". The fees were based on the # of people in your family, etc
Anyway--near the pool they had something called the "Adult Corrall"-a fenced in area with chairs, etc where adults could sit and relax w/o too much concern about being whacked in the head with a football. Didn't always work, but most of the time you could sit and relax and be out of danger.
Then about every two hours or so, they had an "Adult Swim". They'd clear the pool of all kids, and the adults (mainly seniors) could get in and at least get wet. Trouble was, the adult swim lasted only 1/2 hour and they never managed to get the kids out of the pool in that period of time. So there never was a true "adult swim" in the time we were members!!
NOTE: I'm not suggesting in ANY way that Disney should even consider this. Just a post to indicate how some attempt was made at "compromise":D :D

[walt4evr]

I just read this interesting thread and just have to add an interesting quiet pool story that just happened at WDW.
Friends of ours are presently staying at BWV from 7/27 untl 8/ 5. We called them on 7/28 to see how they were doing, to see if they got and were enjoying the gift basket we had sent to their villa, etc. This is an adult couple, no kids. During the course of the conversation, they were telling us how everything was at WDW and BWV and said they had only one disturbing time at BWV's quiet pool, that afternoon.
What happened was our friends (2 adults) went to the BWV quiet pool early that afternoon. As of 7/28/04 the pool is called the "quiet" pool NOT leisure, neighborhood etc pool. When they got to the pool there were several other groups there including 2 families with children. The children were playing very nicely in the pool, enjoying themselves as kids do, but were certainly not disturbing anyone. One of our friends is a smoker, so they sat in the chairs fartherest away from the pool and the other groups. Everything was just wonderful for all parties at the quiet pool for the first 40 or so minutes. Then a woman with 4 children, ages approx 7-13 came to the pool. At that point the whole atmosphere of the pool changed. These kids were repeatedly doing cannon balls into the pool, they were yelling and screaming as they were having relay races the length of the pool, they were using the pool noodles to hit each other over the head and as lassos to try and knock each other off their feet while in the pool and were tossing around 2 of those water baseballs from one end of the pool to the other. Meanwhile the woman with these kids sat at a pool table polishing her nails. The other families with children left since their poor kids were essentially forced out of the pool. The remaining adults, including our friends said nothing until one of the baseballs hit an older woman who happened to be sitting close to our friends. Our friend at that point threw them back the ball and said: "Come on guys, give us a break. You are not the only ones who want to enjoy the pool. Can't you play ball somewhere else." The kids totally ignored him and continued with their fun. Then the woman -who brought the kids left for about 15-20 mins and left the kids in the pool still continuing their "fun". A sort while later the BWV/BWI manager came to the pool. It seems as though when our friend asked the kids to play ball elsewhere, the woman got angry that someone said something to one of her kids and went to the front desk and tried to get our friends thrown out of the pool for smoking. Finally the mgr was summoned and he came out to the quiet pool to survey the situation. The end result was the woman was told that smoking is allowed at all pools, however doing cannon balls in the pool, using pool noodles as weapons, overtaking the whole pool with relay races, excessive screaming and hollering and the throwing of baseballs was not allowed at the quiet pool. The manager went on to explain to this woman that at the quiet pool, other than for specific scheduled times for pool games that last a specific amount of time and the times are posted; the quiet pool is to provide resort guests with a more quiet and relaxing pool atmosphere. That the main pool was for more actve pool actvities and that if her children wanted to partake in more actve pool activities to please take them to the main pool. He did add that even at the main pool they still would not be allowed to use the pool noodles in the fashion in which they were; they would not be allowed to have swimming relays taking up the whole length of the pool, nor would they be permitted to throw water baseballs the whole length of the pool.
The woman and her kids left in a huff. BTW, all the remaining guests at the pool cheered when they finally left.
However, I guess they were not happy with the main pool rules either because our friends heard them walking back to their room from the main pool (they had rooms right off the quiet pool) grumbling that WDW stinks and kids aren't allowed to have any fun!
From this incident it seems as though Disney does consider the quiet pools to be more quiet, much less active (except for scheduled actvities); then the main pools. There is no age limit on who can enjoy the quiet pools but it does appear as though there are certain quiet pool guidelines. At least at BWV and as of 7/28/04, there were.
I just had to share this story. What a coincidence that we were just talking with our friends about this the other day and there is a thread about it here today!

[jarestel]

I believe what you have documented is a classic case of children mis-behaving and mis-using the pool facilities. I don't recall anyone on this long and winding thread defending any of these activities as being acceptable. We are probably all in agreement that these "guests" were not acting appropriately. Thanks for posting this experience.

[walt4evr]

Point I am making is that it does seem, at BWVs anyway, that Disney does have different guidelines and definitions between their quiet pools and main pools. Some on this thread seem to indicate that this is not so.

[crisi]

I'm glad the manager chose to say something. Although it sounds like their behavior would have gotten (and did get) them in trouble at either pool. I wonder if the manager would have done anything if they kids had been just "noisy" rather than actively misbehaving. Its hard to draw the line between "hollering" and "excessive hollering."

The real issue with Disney is that it seems like "rules" are often "guidelines" and you are as likely to get a CM who looks at you like you are nuts if you want a more sedate atmosphere at the quiet pool, while the next will enforce the guidelines. And of course - what is normal play to one person is hollering to another and excessive hollering to a third.

[Desperado]

Thank you for the story walt4evr, you hit the nail directly on the head regarding what many of us are talking about. Tying to exaggerate the point by saying no kids in the pool, or totally quiet pool where kids are not allowed to play is pretty silly, and doesn't support or rationalize why it is OK to allow kids to mis behave and be inconsiderate to fellow guests as your story clearly indicates. In the first part of your story, you talked about kids playing nicely. That's all we are talking about. Your story makes the point crystal clear. Thanks.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Desperado
Thank you for the story walt4evr, you hit the nail directly on the head regarding what many of us are talking about. Tying to exaggerate the point by saying no kids in the pool, or ttally quiet pool where kids are not allowed to play is pretty silly, and doesn't support or rationalize why it is OK to allow kids to mis behave and be inconsiderate to fellow guests as your story clearly indicates. In the first part of your story, you talked about kids playing nicely. That's all we are talking about. Your story makes the point crystal clear. Thanks.
Yeah it really does...JThis is completely unacceptable at any pool IMO and it is good to see Disney "feels" the same way.

It is ironic that the woman brought it upon herself LOL she asked the manager to come "back her up" only to be told her family is the problem LOL.

[CarolMN]

Originally posted by 3DisneyNUTS
..(snip)...It is ironic that the woman brought it upon herself LOL she asked the manager to come "back her up" only to be told her family is the problem LOL.

But of course she doesn't think her family is the problem or that her little darlings were doing anything wrong! Wonder what she thought everyone was cheering for when they left, LOL!

I'm so glad the BWV manager came out to actually investigate for himself and then took appropriate action. Wish that happened more often.

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by CarolMN
But of course she doesn't think her family is the problem or that her little darlings were doing anything wrong! Wonder what she thought everyone was cheering for when they left, LOL!

I'm so glad the BWV manager came out to actually investigate for himself and then took appropriate action. Wish that happened more often.

Yeah well when the "darlings" end up in jail she will be saying in a tv interview "I did my best. They were such good kids!"

[manning]

Sadly this long thread has proved only that:

We ain't all going to agree and;

We ain't going to solve it. Only Disney can and it doesn't look like they will for a long while.:(

[JVSJr]

I was reading the 18 pages or so about the pool hopping issue and thought you all might find this interesting.

I just returned from BWV (7/26 - 7/30) and there was a sign prominently posted at 2 of the pool entrances that said "POOL USE FOR BOARDWALK GUESTS ONLY".

There was also a note in the "Welcome Home" packet at check-in as well as being listed in the the little newsletter looking event brochure.

[westjones]

I hope this isn't true, but I wouldn't be surprised.
DJ

[Desperado]

Originally posted by JVSJr
I just returned from BWV (7/26 - 7/30) and there was a sign prominently posted at 2 of the pool entrances that said "POOL USE FOR BOARDWALK GUESTS ONLY".

Great sign, makes sense. The problem is local pool crashers, they need a sign to inform them. Doesn't seem to be a need to post all exceptions like legitimate DVC pool hoppers. When a DVC member contacts the front desk, recieves permission to pool hop, and legitimately does they could easily fall within the definition of being a guest of boardwalk and thus legitimately pool hop. I don't see the sign as a pre-emption of the end of pool hopping in itself.

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Great story walt4evr. It is exactly what was needed in this thread because it provides a Disney persepctive of what is expected behavior in the "quiet" pools.

HBC

[Desperado]

Originally posted by Happy Birthday Cat
Great story walt4evr. It is exactly what was needed in this thread because it provides a Disney persepctive of what is expected behavior in the "quiet" pools.

HBC
Thanks for your recognition of that. It does provide a good perspective.

[Dean]

Originally posted by Happy Birthday Cat
Great story walt4evr. It is exactly what was needed in this thread because it provides a Disney persepctive of what is expected behavior in the "quiet" pools.

HBC Agreed, but it is simply a CM interpretation and certainly not an official stance. And to generalize it out of context is certainly not possible.

[kathleena]

Originally posted by JVSJr
I just returned from BWV (7/26 - 7/30) and there was a sign prominently posted at 2 of the pool entrances that said "POOL USE FOR BOARDWALK GUESTS ONLY".

Signs have noted this at the BW for a long time - at least 4 years.
Nothing new.

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Originally posted by Dean
Agreed, but it is simply a CM interpretation and certainly not an official stance. And to generalize it out of context is certainly not possible.

I didn't generalize. I stated what it was. Being that it was a manager that dealt with the situation certainly gives it more credence as to the "official" view of what we are discussing.

HBC

[Happy Birthday Cat]

Originally posted by Desperado
Thanks for your recognition of that. It does provide a good perspective.

Yes it does but it is exactly what I've been saying all along in this discussion. Kids are fine in the "quiet" pools as long as they are respecful of others. They don't have to be silent and a family certainly shouldn't have to keep on walking if they see an adult using the area.

HBC

[Dean]

Originally posted by Happy Birthday Cat
I didn't generalize. I stated what it was. Being that it was a manager that dealt with the situation certainly gives it more credence as to the "official" view of what we are discussing.

HBC I wasn't refering to you, just that your post seemed the most appropriate to refer to so I could make the point. That is that the incident has no bearing on Disney's "interpretation" of the quiet pool in contrast to the feature pools. It was simply a managers response to an abusive situation.

[rinkwide]

Originally posted by manning
Sadly this long thread has proved only that:

...We ain't going to solve it.

Oh, I don't know about that.

Whenever we're at WDW I always load the number of our resort's frontdesk into my cell phone speed dial. I take it along when we go to the quite pools and if we encounter excessively loud or obnoxious behavior I just make a quick call and speak to the manager on duty.

Works every time.:sunny:

[3DisneyNUTS]

Originally posted by Happy Birthday Cat
Yes it does but it is exactly what I've been saying all along in this discussion. Kids are fine in the "quiet" pools as long as they are respecful of others. They don't have to be silent and a family certainly shouldn't have to keep on walking if they see an adult using the area.

HBC
Yep exactly :) :)

[3DisneyNUTS]

WOw it seems to be more of a problem then I have seen I would say our last 9 trips to WDW we never encountered a problem at any of the pools, the water parks are a different story, but never the resort pools.. No matter if they were value to moderate either.

[wdwa1]

Originally posted by Dean
SNIP
so I could make the point. That is that the incident has no bearing on Disney's "interpretation" of the quiet pool in contrast to the feature pools. It was simply a managers response to an abusive situation.
I disagree. There are certain rules and guidelines that are universal property wide at WDW, that all CMs are instructed in, especially resort managers. It has nothing to do with "interpretation", the rules not being followed can be blamed on CMs who are lax and not following the rules but it has nothing to do with "interpretation".

[Dean]

Originally posted by wdwa1
I disagree. There are certain rules and guidelines that are universal property wide at WDW, that all CMs are instructed in, especially resort managers. It has nothing to do with "interpretation", the rules not being followed can be blamed on CMs who are lax and not following the rules but it has nothing to do with "interpretation". It has been very clear over the years that there is no official Disney policy relating to "quiet pools". This was simply a SECOND HAND report of an incident where reportedly the manager was dealing the mother of two kids that were obviously miisbehaving and exhibiting behavior that was not appropriate at any pool. The report that he instructed there were better places to act such wasy other than the "quiet pool" has real no meaning. Even at face value this is clearly not an issue of Disney or DVC policy. And since this is a second hand report it has even less meaning. To be honest, it's likely less likely to represent Disney's official policy than those of us who have been experiencing Disney regularly for more than 10-15 years. To use this as an example of Disney Policy is way out in left field at best.

[wdwa1]

You are certainly entitled to your "opinion". As am I. I happen to not agree with a single word of your "opinion".

[Dean]

Originally posted by wdwa1
You are certainly entitled to your "opinion". As am I. I happen to not agree with a single word of your "opinion". Your right to disagree of course. In reviewing the POS, the pools are included as an asset and privilege. I would think any material change in usage would require a vote of the BOD and possibly he members themselves. And I would see the issue in question as a material change (to make a pool adult only or nearly so). Plus I am aware of no official or written info from Disney from ANY of their resorts qualifying the restrictions on any pool other than those of safety like running, diving, pool toys and the like. And to be honest, I'm not aware of any true indication from Disney as to a different standard at the "quiet pools" as this obviously cannot be used as such. If you have something in writing, I'd love to see it. Besides I'd venture to guess that many people on this board know more about Disney than the majority of the employees including a number of managers. We've all had instances dealing with MS or a resort where we've been told incorrect info including managers and supervisor.

Disney has had ample opportunity to address this issue. Their lack of any direction speaks volumes.

[wdwa1]

I was not referring to any changes being made to limit certain pools to adults only???? I really have no idea how you got that from my posts????
What I was addressing is that I do believe there are certain property wide guidelines for the quiet pools vs the main pools at WDW. Myself and many others have heard these distinctions regarding the pools from various CMS at many WDW resorts, over the years. Whether or not the CMs enforce these guidelines, is a different story. Just because you have never seen anything in writing given out to guests, does not mean this is not a guideline/rule that the resort CMs are instructed on. There are many CM rules/guidelines that CMs are instructed on that are not published for the resorts guest's reading pleasure.
We have been going to WDW on a very regular basis (1-4 trips a year) since 1976, btw. So we also have our share of WDW & WDW resort experiences to base our opinions on.

[DrTomorrow]

Um, I truly respect all of the CMs who, given nearly impossible guest expectations, still manage to keep the pixie dust flowing - and a smile on their faces. However, if you tried to compile "Disney policy" based solely on what CMs, Managers and Supervisors tell guests in individual encounters, you'd quite simply go mad. Some of the most contentious issues discussed here (pool hopping, room capacity, mug refilling, etc.) are issues solely because, over the years, well-meaning guests are told many different answers to the same question. Add to that the concept that in some cases, while Disney may have a policy, it enforces it selectively - or not at all.

And an experience of mine - way back in the mid-90's - sums this all up: [Anecdote warning: no factual support]. My wife, son and I were checking into the CR (Tower, facing MK woo hoo) and I asked the CM a question about watercraft rentals - what age you had to be (a big issue for DS). She wasn't certain, and asked two manager/supervisors who happened to be chatting behind her. While I was only 3 or 4 feet away, I witnessed them arguing about the issue - one thought it was one age, the other vehemently disagreed.

My personal opinion (yep, I know you've all been patiently waiting) is that Disney needs to publish (I think the legal term is "give notice") of the rules, and then enforce them in a consistant way. Otherwise, the guests, and CMs, and managers, and supervisors have no idea what's expected, what's allowed, and what's prohibited.

[Dean]

Originally posted by wdwa1
I was not referring to any changes being made to limit certain pools to adults only???? I really have no idea how you got that from my posts????
What I was addressing is that I do believe there are certain property wide guidelines for the quiet pools vs the main pools at WDW. Myself and many others have heard these distinctions regarding the pools from various CMS at many WDW resorts, over the years. Whether or not the CMs enforce these guidelines, is a different story. Just because you have never seen anything in writing given out to guests, does not mean this is not a guideline/rule that the resort CMs are instructed on. There are many CM rules/guidelines that CMs are instructed on that are not published for the resorts guest's reading pleasure.
We have been going to WDW on a very regular basis (1-4 trips a year) since 1976, btw. So we also have our share of WDW & WDW resort experiences to base our opinions on. We can certainly agree to disagree. I believe this thread is the first time I've ever seen anyone say they were told there was any type of different standard in any form. Although I don't really belive that's what was intended by the manager quoted. And as I said, I don't see how this could be enforced legally or practically. I wouldn't be surprised if certain cast members took the name literally as some in this thread have. I remember a thread a few years ago, I think it was 1999, about this very topic. At the time it was actually difficult to find where Disney referred to them as quiet pools. There were few places where they did. I think the burden of proof would be to prove there is a different standard for the "quiet pools" and ther really is none in spite of your feelings otherwise.

[Desperado]

Originally posted by wdwa1
I was not referring to any changes being made to limit certain pools to adults only???? I really have no idea how you got that from my posts????

I haven't read that from anything you posted either. But hay, I think those who promote anything goes at the quiet pools have convinced me, I give in. If ya can't convince them, join them. Perhaps my wife and I should just leave our kids off at the pools, even though they are very young, and then go and enjoy the parks and activities for ourselves. The lifegaurds at the pools keep an eye on them for us. Perhaps we'd be able to go several hours, have many, many drinks, take a nap, and head back to the pool to pick them up later. It would be nice if someone at the pool was able to change the baby's diapers while we are out, but I guess you can't have everything. Even if they've had terrible behavior, nobody will really bother us about it, hay, the yelling, screaming, throwing objects and disturbances are just kids being kids, whether it's the quiet pool or other pools. You've got to have the loud ringing sound of "Marco - Polo" to make it a real vacation, no matter how long the game goes on. It's so cute when the kids scream that at the top of thier lungs. Well, I've got to try to find out where the kids are right now and at least get them out of the street, the little one needs his bottle and weekly bath.

:rockband: "come on and listen to a story about a man named Jed, a poor mountainer barely kept his family fed, and then one day he was shooting at some food.......":rockband:


:jester:
(Hay I know the above is not what anyone means, just trying to throw a little levity into a pretty long thread. May everyone enjoy thier wonderful stays and pool time at DVC with or without those cute, cuddly little children some of us have been so fortunate to be blessed with.)

[wdwa1]

Originally posted by Dean
SNIP
I think the burden of proof would be to prove there is a different standard for the "quiet pools" and ther really is none in spite of your feelings otherwise.
There is also no proof that there is NOT a different standard!
As I said before the CMs are instructed on many guidelines/rules that guests are not privvy to/aware of. CMs being lax in enforcing guidelines and rules(even ones published in guest literature!!), has always been a problem at WDW.

[Dean]

Originally posted by wdwa1
There is also no proof that there is NOT a different standard!
As I said before the CMs are instructed on many guidelines/rules that guests are not privvy to/aware of. CMs being lax in enforcing guidelines and rules(even ones published in guest literature!!), has always been a problem at WDW. I've been to WDW and DVC as many times and almost as long as you have and I NEVER recall hearing of a different standard from a CM or any official source. Only members complaining. Being that as it may, there is no way to have a different standard if it is not published and noticed. CM are also VERY frequently wrong and make up rules as they go along, which seems to happen more frequently when DVC is involved even than just WDW in general. As for enforcing the rules, that's a different matter. I absolutely agree that WDW should enforce the rules. No smoking in NOS units, enforce occupancy limits, don't give away asigned units because someone is complaining, etc, etc, etc. Here's a similar thread from 2001. (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26692) No one mentioned any direct or indirect communication with DVC regarding the issue then or any other time it's come up that I recall. I'd love to see specific examples.

As for not proving there's not a different standard, there's no reason to. There are no signs, to notes in the paperwork, no CM going around warning people, no communication in the VM or on the website. By not addressing this issue over many years, WDW and DVC has spoken Loud and Clear.

[wdwa1]

I agree; we just have to agree, to disagree. Our experiences and the experiences of others we have spoken with, are very different from yours. We have had/overheard CMs state different guidelines/standards for the WDW resort quiet pools on several occasions. Also from a story posted earlier on this thread it appears some resort managers also have the same guidelines.
I am certainly not trying to disrespect you, but I put much more faith in what I have been told by a CM and what a resort manager says, over the opinion of a stranger on an internet discussion board.
Any way, I am done going round and round over this. You have your opinion and experiences and we have ours. Maybe we will see you around the pools someday! :wave:

[kpk89]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Desperado
[B] We've been exposed to safety risks by parents who provide little to no guidance to thier children, and had to step in.

IA with this. I'm a new DVC owner, have not been to any resort yet on points, but stayed at AKL a couple of weeks ago with dh only. Some of the behavior of the bigger kids there (throwing things, running, etc) would have inspired me to take my little ones (3 of them 5 and under) to a quiet/leisure pool just to keep them safer. (of course AKL does not have one, so something I'll keep in mind for future visits!) That being said, I'd make sure my kiddos knew that playing and laughing and talking were ok at this quiet pool -- yelling, screaming, etc are NOT.

[spiceycat]

boy this post is old.

I really wish that they had an adult only pool - then all the teenagers plus the drunks would go there. Every teenagers I have ever meet thinks he/she is an adult!!!

have my favorite pool listed as the kids or children's pool - the kids generally go to bed around 9Pm - sounds perfect for me!!!

kids are generally alot less upsetting than the drunks....they also take hints better.

[AFMom]

Well - I couldn't read every page - but I've read a bit and thought I'd add a litttle.
When we went to the Miller Road "quiet" pool at OKW a few weeks ago I noticed a playground right next to it - it was just screened from the pool by some vegetation. Now - it wouldn't make a lot of sense to have a playground designed for 3-12 year olds next to a pool unless that age group was expected to be using the pool as well. I have no idea about any other quiet pool on property - but thought that was notable. And anyone who expects 3-12 year olds to be sedate at a pool is from another planet. Well behaved - yes - but well behaved doesn't really include being quiet.
When we went to the pool with our 6 and 7 year old boys, I told them not to jump in next to adults who were in lounge chairs, and that if they screamed, they had to sit out. But there is a certain decible level that comes with a pool that cannot be avoided in boys this age! If the big pool had been opened, we probably would have just walked over there. But even so - my kids were well behaved, just splashing, laughing, etc.
As far as DCL having adults only sections - they did that for monetary reasons - there are a lot of DINK's (dual income no kids) out there and Disney wants them to cruise with them!

[spiceycat]

Kristy - all the quiet pools have a playground - plus picinic tables and a grill.

Adults can be much worst than kids any day!

[DeeCee735]

<It just shows me how far down WDW has fallen in the past years. They opened up the place to everyone when they built those value resorts.>

That's quite insulting. You are assuming that people who use the value resorts are not of good conscience, or not decent people? I'm stumped on this one. I own at DVC, & have chosen to stay at deluxe or moderate resorts before owning DVC, but that doesn't mean I'm above those who wisely choose a way to save money on hotel rates. I'm staying at Pop Century for my one night of my upcoming stay, and frankly, I'm insulted by your flaming of value resorts and those who chose to stay in them.

[laceemouse]

Sorry, but I just had to dig this dinosaur back up! Last weekend we stayed at OKW, which was great! Anyway, coming back to the resort on the bus late Friday night, after MNSSHP, a young woman sitting across from me was talking rather loudly about her plans for the next day. She was going on and on about this great pool she planned to take her kids to. She was talking to older folks (grandparents?) and it was clear that she was talking about SAB! I'm pretty sure she was staying at OKW because here it was almost 1a.m. and that's where she was getting off. When we checked in at OKW we were reminded of the pool hopping policy, and it was also front page in the little newsletter they give you. I have a tendency to be nosey, so I just kept my mouth shut, but then I worried that they would be "busted" and the kids would be upset at not getting to do SAB. Would any of you have said anything to her? This issue is much more upsetting to me than occupancy. We bought at BCV specifically for the 11 month window to get to use SAB! Also, the whole place was pretty packed so they may have been checking IDs. We went swimming at SSR the next day, which was beautiful, and they were not checking, but it wasn't crowded either.

[DrTomorrow]

laceemouse, I would not have said a word.

Even assuming that I only had the best of intentions (like you did, worrying about the possibility of disappointed children), it really is a no-win situation. If she didn't take the time to 1) listen at check-in and 2) check the newsletter or 3) ask at the front desk first, then she probably doesn't want to hear it from you. As we've all seen in several threads, even the kind-hearted folks here on the DIS sometimes take exception to people pointing out the rules - and violations of them. I'd hate to think of that woman's response - at 1 AM after a loooong day - to your polite informational comment....

[joepoe]

Originally posted by JimFitz
Pool Hopping needs to be banned.


I AGREE! I love BWV, but it really irks me that the pool is always so crowded.

[3DAN]

Sorry if I am repeating things, but , I was told that you can only pool hop if 1) you are a DVC member, 2) You are staying at a vacation club resort, and 3) you are staying on points. It is not allowable to pool hop when you stay at any other Disney resort regardless of points or cash payment. In the past , VWL checked on you when you arrived at the guard station. So did BC. Are you guys staying at the value resort pool hopping?

[gchiker]

Just got back on election day from a stay at BCV. Each day at SAB there was a CM to check our key cards and issue wrist bands. On one occasion, there was no one in sight, so we just walked in and sat down. Within 30 seconds, a CM came over to check on us and another group. They were not from the BC or BCV and were politely asked to leave. There was no big altercation and it was handled well.

[icydog]

With all the talk about SSR not allowing pool hopping, I was wondering how many people really do pool hop? I know the DW & DD & I never have time to go to the other resorts to swin, even when we are at WDW for 7 days. :earsboy: Is it possible that pool hopping is not a big deal for alot of DVC members. pirate:


I just thought this was an interesting thread so I resurrected it. We are at OKW right now and considering pool hopping to the GF. The reason, padded chaises in the main pool area. Never noticed them before. We have one more day here and I think we might try it. With the main pool closed at OKW, we figured we might try another option. We used to pool hop to SAB before the restrictions and a couple of times to AKL. The pool at Animal Kingdom Lodge was lovely when we brought our, then 5 yo, grandson with us. The slide was small enough that he could go down a million times and we could sit back and not worry. Now that he has grown up, and is 7, there isn't a slide anywhere that would be high enough for him.

But I digress, have any of you folks used the Grande Floridian pool and could offer some feedback? IN fact with the OKW pool closed for awhile has anyone pool hopped that didn't before?

[BAYBREEZEDISNEY]

We always pool hop....but then we are "old" and do not always go to the parks on every visit! We would truly miss the opportunity.

[SnowWitch]

We will pool hop to the poly on occassion when we're having dinner. The kid will swim while we wait on the fireworks on the beach but thats it.

[POOH&PIGLET]

We have never pool hopped and probably never will.

[Ksp]

We've only pool-hopped once, & that was to the Polynesian. It was a nice perk, but did take extra planning - packing suits, clothes, and all that, calling ahead to see if the pool was ok for hopping - it's a nice way to preview what might be a reservation one of our next trips, though. We will probably pool hop again, but I think it's not going to be very often for us. (maybe once every couple of years)
I like the idea of pool hopping and having dining reservations at that resort....we'll probably try that idea. Thanks!

[Windjammer]

Our kids are 11, 9, 8, and 5 and we pool hop all the time. I used to pool hop with the older kids while the younger were napping in the afternoon. Now that they are older we will sometimes spend a half day at another resort, just hanging out and swimming. For instance, we will go to Port Orleans- River Side and some kids will fish while others swim. We will also have lunch.

On another day we will have breakfast at the Polynesian (Ohana) or Contemporary (Chef Mickey's) and do the monorail circuit, visiting the pools and arcades. While I am at the pool with the kids my wife will visit the gift shops. It is a great relaxing day.

Steve

[cheyita]

I posted on this thread when it first ran, and my answer has already changed. We pool-hopped on our last trip. We were staying at OKW, and wanted to show our guests the Boardwalk area, and we brought our swim stuff and pool-hopped there. I still don't see us necessarily doing it every trip, but we enjoyed being able to do that.

[lspongberg]

We've never pool hopped and don't think we every will.

[doubletrouble_vb]

I think I voted "seldom" originally. But...I could see poolhopping on occasion. When push comes to shove the variation in the hotel rooms is minimal. So what's left? The accoutrements of each hotel. Pool Hopping is a good way to relax and check out the various hotels. Thus far I haven't found a hotel I'd want to pool hop to. FWIW I think the dee luxes have showers nearby. Maybe I'll investigate that when I go.

[CRSNDSNY]

We have never pool-hopped nor have we ever had the interest in pool-hopping. Seems like too much of a hassle to me. And if swimming during our vacation is a priority, then we'll get a reservation at a resort where we'd be able to enjoy the pool....or just head to BB or TL.

[DukeStreetKing]

I don't pool hop and I doubt I ever will, either. I just don't see the reasoning behind it. It is just so much more convenient to use the pool at the resort where I am staying.

[WDWMom]

We have pool hopped on every vacation we have taken thru DVC. On some vacations we have been to 7 or 8 different pools. Our family would be very upset if we lost this perk. Having made around 16 trips to WDW over the past few years you look for things to do other than the usual parks,lines,food thing. Pool hopping is fun relaxing and a great way to experience the resorts and people. We have never met anyone at the other pools who minded us hopping when the heard that it was a perk that DVC(Disney) extended us with our membership. Many peolple wanted to know more about DVC after hearing that this was one of our benefits. We have always asked if the pool was open to hopping and have never been asked to leave anywhere although we were often asked for our room cards. Once at SAB we were even asked for our blue membership card. We have never thought of it as a hassle. Quite the opposite. If you have never been to the Poly, GF, or Contemporary for a leisure couple of hours then you just haven't experienced all of the Disney Magic. A late night swim at WL, or CS is awesome.

Some Pools get crowded while others go almost unused. We are usually there in March so the weather can determine a lot. We are great to have at a pool as we always clean up when we leave. We always throw our towels in the towel bin, as well as any from the chairs around us that haven't been occupied while we have been there. From spending so much time around the pools we know that there are a great many people who leave and just leave there towels laying there. I hope DVC continues this perk as we enjoy it very much and becomes a PR tool for them.

For those of you who think it is a hassle to carry everything somewhere it is not. We wear our suits on the bus (with cover-ups and shirts), use towels at the resort and we are dry before we leave. We take nothing more than reading material for DH and myself. Pretty easy.

[OneMoreTry]

We have pool hopped when we go boating on Bay Lake or Seven Seas Lagoon. It's a hassle, though. I don't think we would "hop" just to swim in another resort's pool.

[NMW]

I can't imagine our family ever pool hopping. If we wanted to go somewhere else to swim we'd go to one of the water parks. Another resorts pool just wouldn't be worth the hassle for us. :flower:

[DVCajun]

As BWVers we have pool hopped to SAB. Absolutely!! Would still, if it were allowed. :sad:

[kweaver]

If we take a "pool day" we most likely hop to another resort. Since we generally go to WDW in May or June...we're always up for a pool day and a waterpark day.

Last time we stayed at SSR and hopped to BWV (love that slide!).

[bcvillastwo]

............but we don't :Pinkbounc very often. Fortunately our home resort is BCV and we love SAB. When we do :Pinkbounc we walk over to BWV just for a change of pace.

[WDWMom]

How do you know what something is worth, or how much fun/hassle it could be if you haven't tried it ? We began pool hopping when some of the food choices got old at WDW. We decided that we would try the food courts/restauarants at some of the other resorts. This led to sightseeing/shopping/pin trading, and eventually pool hopping. There are so many things to do and see at WDW. Every family is different I know, but the " World ' is so much more than just parks.

[kathleena]

We have pool hopped, although we didn't this time. We surely will in the future.

[slk537]

Since joining DVC we have been down twice and have not pool hopped. We thought it sounded like a lovely idea for a break (Poly during MK day) or being able to check out the other resorts and pools, but after reading about the controversy on the subject here, we decided it wasn't worth it.

[spiceycat]

I haven't tried it either - but I still want the option to do it.

My friends and family have and enjoyed it.

on my solo trip in May - I am planning on pool hopping

[lllovell]

WOW!! I learned something new today. I had no idea that pool hopping included places other than the DVC resorts (excluding SAB). I have boys, so changing into a swinsuit is no biggie really (heck, in the summer, I sometimes have trouble getting them OUT of their swimsuits lol) so that might be a real option for us on our way out of the parks and back to the room for a nap. A little swim first would be fun and by the time we got up from nap time, the evening cooling would have begun.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.....*plotting* :smooth:

[Kick it up a notch!]

I will admit I have read threads on this before and I am shocked and frightened at what I am reading in this thread. I just have a few comments-

1) Any poster who made a comment about those people who stay at value resorts and meant it as a cheap shot at them - Grow up! Everyone has the right to enjoy Disney anyway they see fit and how they can afford to do it.

2) Those of you who stay at the value resorts and misunderstood some of the posts, please learn how to read. I have seen comments from the people who stay at the value resorts who are upset at posts where people used the value resorts as an example of how the perk is being abused, not to take a cheap shot at you. I don't think there were many posts where poster meant that the people who stay at the value resorts are any less important than they are. They are just upset that some people do not follow the rules, and it impacts their enjoyment and vacation that they paid good money for. The people who abuse the rules do come from the value resorts as well as off property and other resorts that do not cost as much as the DVC resorts.

3) Pool hopping is a feature that I enjoy (with my family) at DVC and non DVC resorts, and we do it because we are entitled to. Not because we are better than everyone else, we paid for that right and it is granted to us by DVC and WDW. If you are offended by that, too bad. I personally paid almost $40,000 plus about $2500 annually for dues and I feel that since I am allowed to pool hop that is great. If they took that away I would be very disappointed, but I would follow the rules and not pool hop.

4) Those of you who are reading these posts and pool hop when and where you are not supposed to listen up - I personally think that if you are caught you should be removed from the property immediately, escorted by several cast members for all to see. The rules should be explained to you so you have a full understanding of them and warned what will happen if you do it again. If you are caught a second time, you should be escorted from Walt Disney World. If you are staying on property, you should be forced to check out and not allowed to stay on Disney property for the duration of your vacation. You need to find accomodations somewhere else and Disney should not be obligated to help you. You have violated the rules and that impacts others enjoyment of their vacation. That may sound harsh to some, but there are posted signs and the people who do this know that they should not be.

5) They can't possibly enforce this rule with cast members, and they know it. They are negligent in protecting DVC members rights and we should let them know we are not satisfied, whether you do it while you are there and see it (ask to speak to the resort manager, don't just tell a cast member) or you send a letter, e-mail or make a phone call. Do not be rude, just tell them that it is an issue and you are unhappy. If you ask for a manager they will find one and you will be taking them from other tasks, this will get back to the people in charge and they will do something, although it will take time effort and energy on our part. Do not be passive, take an active role in protecting your vacation home. Do not just gripe about it here, do something about it.

6) It seems to me that the only feasible solution is to gate in the pools at the DVC resorts. If they wish to do it at the other resorts (which they should BTW) great, if not then the people staying there should complain. Our DVC dues pay for the operation of the resorts including the pools and the cost of installing and maintaining a gate system would be somewhat offset by the reduced wear and tear on the property, reduced chemical usage for the pool, less staff to patrol the pool and probably so slight an increase in dues that it would maybe cost each member pennies annually to operate. This seems to be a no brainer but they will not do it if no one complains about it.

I hope no one was offended by this post and if you were I am sorry that you did not like my comments. If you understood them and disagreed, great, but they were not meant to offend anyone. I just can't believe the sniping at each other that I read in this post and I hope that reason will take over.

[icydog]

WOW!! I learned something new today. I had no idea that pool hopping included places other than the DVC resorts (excluding SAB). I have boys, so changing into a swinsuit is no biggie really (heck, in the summer, I sometimes have trouble getting them OUT of their swimsuits lol) so that might be a real option for us on our way out of the parks and back to the room for a nap. A little swim first would be fun and by the time we got up from nap time, the evening cooling would have begun.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.....*plotting* :smooth:

I just got a great idea. Take the monorail to any resort, swim, lunch and relax and then go back rejuvenated a few hours later. I might try this with the Grande Floridan. If we are in the neighborhood why not drop in and swim.

[Uncleromulus]

We always hop!!
But that might change once the "new" pool at OKW is ready.

[Deb & Bill]

We have pool hopped in the past to SAB and WL pool. Hopping to SAB was one of the reasons we bought points at BCV when they started selling points there. We also have points at VWL because we like that pool. Haven't pool hopped in a while.

When we stayed at the GF, the new themed pool was overrun with people, nearly wall to wall. We spent most of our time at the large unthemed pool in the center of the complex. A much nicer pool in my book.

We also liked the Dig Site at CS when we stayed there a few nights, but we didn't hop over there.

[timC]

Our pool adventures always include a day at a water park, usually TL. After that we're pretty much water logged, so whatever pool our resort has is fine with us.... Next summer we've got BCV ressie's so we'll probably hang out at SAB most days. :cool1:

[TCPluto]

We never have, but like the fact that it is available.

[Vero4us]

Pool hopping is one of the perks our family really enjoys. Each member gets to pick a different resort and we go there for the day and soak up the 'theming' of that particular resort. What a treat! Where else can you go and stay at one themed hotel but get to enjoy so many more. That is what I love about Disney. Kinda ruins you, though, for any other hotel! :earboy2:

[Ksp]

I'm glad that we have the option.

I sincerely doubt that the total amount of DVC guests at any one time at WDW ever go pool hopping; the small percentage that do certainly don't make the pools too crowded.

After all, the front desk of each resort has the option to tell us that the pools are too crowded to hop on any given day; hopping is prohibited during the busy seasons at WDW, so DVC hoppers can't take the rap for that one.

Illegal pool hopping is another issue; I think that wrist bands would be a practical and economical solution for this problem.

I won't even dignify one of the other poster's comments about value resorts-
its sillly to classify people by where they stay. Seems to me that a person's actions really speak to what kind of person they are, not where they sleep at night.

I wouldn't want to lose the perk of pool hopping -
Seeing other resorts during our visit is actually something our whole family looks forward to....adds to our Disney Magic :wizard: to see what the other themes are, the decorations, the different kinds of pools, etc.

I agree with the OP, ...I would have had a hard time telling the lifeguards about the illegal pool-hoppers....but that's just shy old me. :)
(If they'd been smoking around the pool....I would have overcome my shyness, though, believe me! )

[Ksp]

With all the talk about SSR not allowing pool hopping, I was wondering how many people really do pool hop? I know the DW & DD & I never have time to go to the other resorts to swin, even when we are at WDW for 7 days. :earsboy: Is it possible that pool hopping is not a big deal for alot of DVC members. pirate:


Where did you hear this from, lovwdwalot?? I haven't heard anything about this.

[Granny]

Where did you hear this from, lovwdwalot?? I haven't heard anything about this.You have to look at when this thread started...it was before SSR was even open!!

There was a lot of rumors that SSR would not allow pool hopping. There was
speculation that its close proximity to DTD might encourage pool crashing from non-DVCers and it would be easier to eliminate pool hopping there rather than to monitor it (see SAB for example).

I haven't heard anything about it for a long time, and am not sure why this thread was brought back?

[barb45]

We have enjoyed pool hopping once in a while but I wouldn't mind it at all if they banned it completely. I hate getting stepped on by a crowd of people that aren't even staying at the resort. Let's not even think about people crashing that are "day guests" driving by and using the pool - don't think this doesn't happen. I have friends that crashed a pool at a very exclusive hotel while on shore excursion from our cruise. We found out about it later and while they were proud of themselves, it really bothered me. I think the remark about the value resorts was more to the effect that if people are staying at another deluxe resort they are not so inclined to pool hop because they have a great themed pool at their own resorts but the people paying for a value resort think they can go anywhere and use all the facilities while paying way less. Kind of "the book an inside cabin on a cruise ship and get all the same amenities as those that book a balcony cabin" (which is perfectly legit on a cruise) mentality. Blabbering now!!

[ahoff]

We poolhopped a few times, once when you were still allowed to hop at SAB. Also hopped to the Poly and also SSR. Haven't heard that that was not going to be allowed.

[icydog]

We have pool hopped in the past to SAB and WL pool. Hopping to SAB was one of the reasons we bought points at BCV when they started selling points there. We also have points at VWL because we like that pool. Haven't pool hopped in a while.

When we stayed at the GF, the new themed pool was overrun with people, nearly wall to wall. We spent most of our time at the large unthemed pool in the center of the complex. A much nicer pool in my book.

We also liked the Dig Site at CS when we stayed there a few nights, but we didn't hop over there.

What themed pool? I was there last week and I walked all around the property and didn't see a new themed pool. I was showing the resort off to friends and I could have bragged some more about the GF if I knew there was a fancy new pool. I'm sure I walked right past it and didn't see it.

[Deb & Bill]

The themed pool has a water fall and is right up next to the beach. When you head over towards the Spa or the Polynesian, you will find the newer themed pool. The big pool in the center of the complex is my favorite. 'Course we were staying in Sugarloaf and I could sit on the balcony watching my husband and son play in the non-themed pool.

[icydog]

Thanks for info. My husband says I saw the new pool in a previous trip but I certainly don't remember it. I think I must have walked right past it this trip while walking to the wedding pavillion.

[JLS]

My husband and I have a tradition of "hopping" to the Coronado Springs pool on every trip. We just really like that pool and the surrounding area, and it is usually not crowded there. I don't think that's a "prime" pool hopping spot, so they don't really check IDs, etc. I like the whole resort of Coronado Springs and we have thought about staying there on weekends to save points, but we haven't actually done that yet. Pool hopping is pretty easy if you wear your swimsuit and just take a backpack with your stuff.

When we have our baby (12 weeks and counting!) I don't know if we will continue to do it - we'll see.

[disworldnum1]

I think its time to end pool hopping.If you need to a slide you can go to any of the water parks.We were at BWV easter week and its packed that time of the year and they could have done a much better job policing the pool area for non-members or non-guests.At one point we were overrun with a loud obnoxious crowd that eventually were asked to leave.But it amazed me on just how long and how many people complained until they were challeneged. I also believe as owners in the DVC we can change this rule by sending e-mails to MS and let our feelings be known....

[icydog]

The themed pool has a water fall and is right up next to the beach. When you head over towards the Spa or the Polynesian, you will find the newer themed pool. The big pool in the center of the complex is my favorite. 'Course we were staying in Sugarloaf and I could sit on the balcony watching my husband and son play in the non-themed pool.

Okay I am resurecting this thread. I went to the GF like Deb said.. The pool was fantanstic but it was way too cold in January to swim. We went to the grand tea at the GF then we sat by this beautiful pool. Everyone was very nice and when I showed my room card with DVC member on it they made a little fuss over us. I remember when cast members didn't even know what DVC was. I often found myself explaining timesharing the Disney way to some castmember or other.

[Disney Doll]

Been a member since 1997, and pool hopped once when we were styaing at OKW and used the BWV pool.

It was during a trip where they were having one of those member celebrations or whatever they called them. All the festivities were taking place on the green at the BWV, and DH and I packed a bag with swimming stuff, went to Epcot for a while, then went to the BW to swim while waiting for the DVC festivities to start.

Other than that, we are generally pretty happy with the pools at our resort.

[disworldnum1]

Never pool hopped and never will...Half the time we dont even use the pool at the BWV.We love the water parks and will go there before any place else.

[Laurajean1014]

I do!

[Lexxiefern]

I never thought I would be a poolhopper, but I am! We have poolhopped to WL, Coronado Springs and on this last trip we hopped to OKW (the new slide was fabulous!!) and to SSR in the same day.

I still want to try the Poly and GF. Maybe in May.....

[marklynpa]

Friend and I enjoyed a 'pool hop' to BWV during a long day at Epcot. Called ahead and they said 'OK'. A swim and some lounging were a great way to re-charge. Wasn't too incovenient to bring our bathing suits and ziploc bags for after...

[Ksp]

We've enjoyed our one and only pool hopping venture, will definitely try it again during the DVC approved times. I like to see what the other resorts are like. Sort of like window shopping, but better. :flower: :wave:

[DMDSTPRGIL]

Same thing with us. we have ben BWV members since 1998. Have stayed at BWV 15 times. Only walked over to SAB once and that was with other family members who wanted to try it out. All the resorts have such great pools and snack bars at them there really is no need to waste time going from one to another. We have had P.A. passes for several years so we do hit the water parks quite a bit. Sometimes just going in for an hour or so. :badpc: :wave2: :banana:

[flannualpasshldr]

Does anyone know if DVC will let you use the facilities like the pool and such without actually staying overnight? Since I only live about fifty minutes away we do a lot of day trips and sometimes its cool to crash the pools at the hotels every once in awhile.

[newholidayx2]

ummmmmmmmmm nooooooooo
to use the pools a DVCer needs to be staying on points

[Dean]

Does anyone know if DVC will let you use the facilities like the pool and such without actually staying overnight? Since I only live about fifty minutes away we do a lot of day trips and sometimes its cool to crash the pools at the hotels every once in awhile.You can use the restaurants and many of your discounts. But you can't use the pool even at your home resort. Many timeshares allow day use, but not DVC.

[Deb & Bill]

...
to use the pools a DVCer needs to be staying on points
at a DVC resort.

[keishashadow]

As a soon to be DVC member, I hope, (just passed ROFR on a resale), can anyone explain the rules of the "Pool hopping" privledge?

It's my understanding that the following apply:

Available during non-peak season (i.e. holidays?),

Any pool except BCV & AK,

You're supposed to verify with the desk @ your resort/where the pool is located?

Am I leaving anything else out? Obviously, I haven't seen a membership package yet. Are the details explained in it?

[Scoootch]

As a soon to be DVC member, I hope, (just passed ROFR on a resale), can anyone explain the rules of the "Pool hopping" privledge?

It's my understanding that the following apply:

Available during non-peak season (i.e. holidays?),

Any pool except BCV & AK,

You're supposed to verify with the desk @ your resort/where the pool is located?

Am I leaving anything else out? Obviously, I haven't seen a membership package yet. Are the details explained in it?
You have a good understanding so far ;)

DVC members can pool hop to any pool except for SAB at YC,BC & BCV's and their lesure pools and also the Uzima pool at AKL.

As you are already aware, there are blackout periods which are during the high occupancy times like Christmas week,Easter week ...maninly the holiday periods but they should be listed on the official DVC member sight and I know they mention them in the DVC news letter "vacation Magic" mailings that we get throughout the year.

Members have to be staying at a DVC resort on Points to be eligible and are suppossed to call the resort ahead of time to make sure the pool they want to hop to isn't already at capacity. You need to show your KTTWC (room card) that says DVC member on it and may be asked to show your blue membership card in addition as proof of eligibility (that goes for all DVC perks) and we can also be asked to leave if the pool starts to get too crowded.

Beyond that ...go..hop and have fun! :wave2:

[kathleena]

Thanks WDWguru for the poll that you had posted in June, I just find it funny that some people make such a big deal on pool hopping and from the looks of your poll not many people do go hopping! pirate:

Looks to me like almost half of the responents pool hop at some time or another so I would say the opposite - that there are a lot of DVC members either very interested or occasionally interested in pool hopping.

Depends on how you look at it!

[pigelet]

We have friends staying with us BCV. There are 6 of them staying in a 1-bedroom. The kids are all small and will fit. the ages are 9,6,5 and 1. We only told them that 5 are in the room when making reservations. We didn't tell them of the 5 year old due to capacity. Will we have a hard time with the pool?

[Dean]

We have friends staying with us BCV. There are 6 of them staying in a 1-bedroom. The kids are all small and will fit. the ages are 9,6,5 and 1. We only told them that 5 are in the room when making reservations. We didn't tell them of the 5 year old due to capacity. Will we have a hard time with the pool?
Way to be honest.

[Patty3]

I was just wondering. I have never pool hopped before and was wondering if we could.

[tomi]

The Swan and Dolphin are not owned by Disney and therefore - no pool hopping.

[CharlesTD]

We have used the pool at both the Swan and Dolphin and even asked the staff there and they had no issue with it.

[Deb & Bill]

They are not operated by Disney and are not open to pool hopping no matter what some people do. When we stayed at the Swan and at the Dolphin, the themed pool (the Grotto) was very crowded. I hope it wasn't because some DVC member was hopping over to the pool where they shouldn't have been.

[CharlesTD]

Well I am sure it wasn't us because we don't go to Disney at peak times we stick to December and the pool was virtually empty when we went over from BWV.

[J and R's mom]

They are not operated by Disney and are not open to pool hopping no matter what some people do. When we stayed at the Swan and at the Dolphin, the themed pool (the Grotto) was very crowded. I hope it wasn't because some DVC member was hopping over to the pool where they shouldn't have been.
Have strong feelings on this do ya'? Anyone else feel the chill? :cold:

[bobbiwoz]

Swan and Dolphin are not Disney properties and pool hopping is not permitted there.

Bobbi :flower:

[MdmMim]

While you can't swim there, DVC members do receive a 20% discount on food at the Cabana Bar & Grill poolside.

[bobbiwoz]

While you can't swim there, DVC members do receive a 20% discount on food at the Cabana Bar & Grill poolside.


Oh yes, and at Tubbi's and Fresh Mediteranean and the Ice Cream Soda fountain that they have. (I'm not sure about the discount, but it's been worth it to us.) We go there to eat a lot!! We also are taking advantage of the $99+tax teacher rate that they have as well.

Bobbi :flower:

[Patty3]

Thanks for the information! :flower:

[Bill K]

Wow! Sounds like Deb and Bill need another Disney vacation!!! Where was the love :love:

[Deb & Bill]

Wow! Sounds like Deb and Bill need another Disney vacation!!! Where was the love :love:

I'm leaving in 22 days for a week at WDW. I just got back about three weeks ago.

But it still bugs me when DVC members make a big deal about how they work the system to get what they want and not what is permitted. One poster on this thread is notorious for bucking the system just because he can. Not because it is the right thing to do.

[Dean]

Pool crashers are not my type of people but if one seeks out permission and gets it ROM AN APPROPRIATE PARTY, that's cool. That doesn't mean ask the flunky picking up pool towers or the like but someone in a supervisory position.

[WebmasterDoc]

The point in answering the OP question is to describe what the DVC pool hopping policy will allow. The fact that someone may be given permission to swim in a resort pool does not change the DVC policy.

If a member wants to swim at the Swan/Dolphin and is given permission by that resort, that's fine but the Swan/Dolphin pool is not included in the DVC pool hopping policy. The same could be said about swimming at AKL or at SAB (for those not staying at BCV)- the DVC policy does not include pool hopping at those pools- if the resort grants permission, enjoy the swim, but it does NOT change the DVC policy in any way.

[CharlesTD]

Sorry it bothers you Deb & Bill but we did ask and no it wasn't a lifeguard or the guy collecting the towels it was a MANAGER so go cry to somone else.

[Doctor P]

With due respect Charles, you have made a large series of posts on these boards over the last few months on topics related to rules and policies that you either flaunt or don't think were meant for you or other people to follow, and therefore think its just fine to abuse these rules, policies, or norms. I can understand people's frustration with continuing posts of the type, "I did this and didn't get into trouble...so just go ahead and either do what you want or ask for permission to break the rules, norms, or policies." The bottom line is that pool hopping to Swan and Dolphin is not allowed, regardless of your experiences with scamming your way in.

[CharlesTD]

Doc as for the pool hopping we have hopped to all the pools with the only ones not having been to being SAB and AKL but we hope to remedy that with our stay planned for AKL next year. All I can say is if you really want to swim at the S&D is go and ask the worst they can say is no they may suprise you and say yes like they did for myself and my family. I can't comment on the legalities of what they let us do as it is up to the resort management and if they say yes then go for it.

[JimMIA]

But it still bugs me when DVC members make a big deal about how they work the system to get what they want and not what is permitted.Before we all pile on Deb & Bill, or Doc, it might be worth remembering that abuse of stuff like this leads to complaints. And complaints lead to the privileges being restricted, or eliminated altogether.

The OP asked a legitimate question, and Deb & Bill, Bobbiwoz, and Doc gave them the correct answer -- it's not one of our pools, and we are not permitted to hop to it.

[WebmasterDoc]

Doc as for the pool hopping we have hopped to all the pools with the only ones not having been to being SAB and AKL but we hope to remedy that with our stay planned for AKL next year. All I can say is if you really want to swim at the S&D is go and ask the worst they can say is no they may suprise you and say yes like they did for myself and my family. I can't comment on the legalities of what they let us do as it is up to the resort management and if they say yes then go for it.

If you've "hopped to all the pools", it's been a circumstance beyond your DVC membership. If a resort not included in the DVC policy has allowed you to use the pool, it's at their invitation and NOT because you are a DVC member. If you use the pool at AKL while a guest at that resort- it's NOT pool hopping, so please don't suggest you will be hopping there as a result of the DVC pool hopping policy.

As I already stated, if you are allowed to use a pool at a resort not included in the DVC program (AKL, Swan/Dolphin, Vistana, Marriott, Hyatt, Peabody, etc.) it is NOT because you are using the DVC program- it's ONLY because that resort allowed it. Please don't try to suggest otherwise.

[CharlesTD]

My apologies Doc I was not intending that my going to AKL was because of the DVC privelage mind you we are using points to stay there we want to try the concierge level for the early morning safari they offer and thus will be using the pool but not because of the hopping privelage. It is funny how people talk about hopping to the GF and Poly etc are these pools not included I remember being told we could use any pool on property not just DVC pools. Again this could be another case of mis information by the guides you know because that never happens LOL.

[WebmasterDoc]

... It is funny how people talk about hopping to the GF and Poly etc are these pools not included I remember being told we could use any pool on property not just DVC pools. Again this could be another case of mis information by the guides you know because that never happens LOL.

Pool hopping includes all WDW Disney resorts except SAB and AKL. GF and Poly are included ( they ARE, after all, Disney resorts) and many have reported enjoying using those pools. If you guide told you that the Swan/Dolphin was included, it was incorrect. The policy is:

You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, Disney's Beach Club Villas or Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World Resort hotel pools (in addition to the pool at the resort hotel at which you're staying) if they are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your "Key to the World" card with your "Disney Vacation Club Member" designation on it to use other resort hotel pools. Pool hopping is not available at Uzima Pool at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Stormalong Bay at Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts. In addition, this restriction includes the leisure pools at these two resort hotels. There are no exceptions to this policy.

Interesting that you were able to address the issue with the resort manager directly. Most would not get to speak with the manager when calling ahead - they'd just speak with someone at the desk. Glad to hear you were able to get the manager to answer the phone personally. :rolleyes:

[Sammie]

The point is that when someone asks for the policy on pool hopping, age of children for ticket purchase, room occupancy, mug refills, etc (all the hot topics) and most quote Disney policy and then a few have to chime in with what you can get away with if you "ask" the right person or don't even ask just do it, then it gives others the idea about doing the same thing when truly they might not have ever even considered it.

My point is why even mention it. The OP asked for the policy and was given the policy, why not let sleeping or in this case pool hopping dogs lie.

As Jim stated abuse of any kind leads to changes, that we might all regret. Usually these changes come about due to the abuse of a few, but all of us suffer.

[J and R's mom]

I admit, I'm relatively new to the DIS boards (and to DVC), but I have to say, this thread is getting down-right tacky. I don't know CharlesTD's history (as some of you seem to) but my goodness!

Clarifying the rules is fine, but I don't come to these boards to be LECTURED by anyone (or to read others being lectured) and the obvious sarcasm in WebmasterDoc's last paragraph was harsh (and surprising coming from him).

Isn't this type of rhetoric what the PMs should be used for?

[Sammie]

I admit, I'm relatively new to the DIS boards (and to DVC), but I have to say, this thread is getting down-right tacky. I don't know CharlesTD's history (as some of you seem to) but my goodness!

Clarifying the rules is fine, but I don't come to these boards to be LECTURED by anyone (or to read others being lectured) and the obvious sarcasm in WebmasterDoc's last paragraph was harsh (and surprising coming from him).

Isn't this type of rhetoric what the PMs should be used for?

Welcome to the DVC board and this is mild. :flower:

If you are easily bothered by this type of discussion among folks that call them as they see them, then I apologize for that. But you might have to get a little thicker skinned to be comfortable in some of the discussions.

As to PMs, personally if I have something to say, I usually find it is worthy to share it will all and not hide it in a PM.

Hopefully you will stick around long enough to take the spicy with the mild. :sunny:

[CharlesTD]

Actually Doc I did it in person not on the phone why would I call when I was staying at BWV it was ust as easy to walk over. Anyhow like it has been pointed out S&D are not on our list so use your own judgement.

[J and R's mom]

Thanks for the lecture, Sammie... :rolleyes:

[amee]

I tried to figure this out through reading through all the posts, but i am confused, has pool hopping been taken away completely?

thanks,

Amee

[bobbiwoz]

I tried to figure this out through reading through all the posts, but i am confused, has pool hopping been taken away completely?

thanks,

Amee

I just checked the members site and pool hopping is allowed at this time. This is from the Members site:

Pool Hopping Information for 2005

You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, Disney's Beach Club Villas or Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World Resort hotel pools (in addition to the pool at the resort hotel at which you're staying) if they are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your "Key to the World" card with your "Disney Vacation Club Member" designation on it to use other resort hotel pools. Pool hopping is not available at Uzima Pool at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Stormalong Bay at Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts. In addition, this restriction includes the leisure pools at these two resort hotels. There are no exceptions to this policy.

Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time because of capacity limitations. Due to expected high occupancy, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:


February 20 - 26, 2005

March 19 - 27, 2005

May 27 - 30, 2005

June 27 - July 4, 2005

September 2 - 5, 2005

November 21 - 27, 2005

December 17, 2005 - January2, 2006

*Other restricted dates may be added based on projected pool capacity.

Bobbi :flower:

[LakeAriel]

Sorry to say but the only way to stop the abuse of the resort pools is to discontinue "pool hopping". From my experience more non DVC people hop then members. It leads to a lack of security, over-crowding, and costlier maintenence. (increased dues)

[Dean]

Sorry to say but the only way to stop the abuse of the resort pools is to discontinue "pool hopping". From my experience more non DVC people hop then members. It leads to a lack of security, over-crowding, and costlier maintenence. (increased dues)Since abuse is by people who are not supposed to be there, just changing the rules will not help. If they monitor it appropriately, legal pool hopping should not be a big problem for the resorts. I do agree they will stop it just to make it simpler but don't feel they need to.

[LakeAriel]

If they monitor it appropriately, legal pool hopping should not be a big problem for the resorts.

Dean I agree with this 100%. Unfortunately I find Disney unwilling to monitor it so I'd rather see it go. Maybe if only the resort guests could swim they would be able to monitor easier. For example current room key. Put the resort name on it! That would be easier then trying to check DVC membership cards. Too many people rent and have keys that say DVC member but they aren't. They say "Oh well we left our membership card in the room but it clearly says etc etc" I could see how it could become a pain to the staff. There are hundreds of people at these pools in busy season. Resort guests only. Simple. I'd rather have room to enjoy the pool I'm at then hop to another. Like the song "Love the one you're with..." sort of! :goodvibes

[CarolMN]

If they monitor it appropriately, legal pool hopping should not be a big problem for the resorts.....(snip)........Monitoring is not free. Looks to me like Disney is not willing to pay to do it "appropriately" for any pool except SAB.

Best wishes -

[JimMIA]

If Disney were to eliminate pool hopping, that would solve absolutely nothing...unless they monitor who's using the pools.

As Dean said, any rule change you make will only affect the people who follow the rules in the first place.

Disney's choice is not to have pool hopping, or not. Their choice is to control it or not, and they have generally chosen not to control it. As Carol said, it's a money thing.

[CharlesTD]

We pool hop it is one of our favourite things to do. We tried out the pool at SSR this past May and the kids really loved it.

[Sammie]

If Disney were to eliminate pool hopping, that would solve absolutely nothing...unless they monitor who's using the pools.

As Dean said, any rule change you make will only affect the people who follow the rules in the first place.

Disney's choice is not to have pool hopping, or not. Their choice is to control it or not, and they have generally chosen not to control it. As Carol said, it's a money thing.

And when enough guests complain about it, it will get monitored. There has been a huge complaint to the staff at the Polynesian about the problems there and improvements have been made.

[kathleena]

If DVC elimated pool hopping, the only thing it would do is stop the "legal, rule-abiding" guests from hopping.

The ones that just want to do it, no matter where they are staying, will still do it.

I just can't see punishing the innocent because the guilty create problems.

[NMW]

Monitoring is not free. Looks to me like Disney is not willing to pay to do it "appropriately" for any pool except SAB.

Best wishes -


I don't know how great a job they are doing monitoring SAB either. We were at a party last night and a couple with 3 children that I didn't know that well were telling a group of us about their recent (last month) trip to Disney. They have some sort of camper or RV (I don't know anything about camping so I'm a little vauge on what they were talking about). They stayed at Fort Wilderness for 2 weeks in their camper thing.

Anyway, they were talking aobut Soarin, the heat, etc. Then they started talking about the pools. They said their favorite was at the Beach club and started describing it. They told some little story about one of the boys hitting the father in the eye coming down the slide, etc. Now, none of these people were DVC except us. Many people there had stayed at the Beach or Yacht clubs and were agreeing about the pool. I looked at my husband and wanted to say something about staying at Fort Wilderness and pool hopping to SAB. However, he gave me this "don't say anything about your crazy Dis board rules".

The funny thing is that I don't think these people knew this was wrong, nor do I think anyone in the group of people knew it was wrong, many of them go to Disney every year and stay in Deluxe hotels. I just can't believe they were able to pool hop there. When we last stayed at the BC (Dec 2003) we had to show our room cards to get in. The people did say something about eating breakfast at Cape May Cafe, maybe they swam after that. I'm not sure.

I agree with Kathleena. Making pool hopping illegal for DVC members will not stop people like this, just the "legal" DVC pool hoppers.

[Man_Of_Leisure]

We enjoy pool hopping every now and then. It is something we like to do that is different, expecially when we wish to go eat and shop at another resort that afternoon, then pool hopping adds an extra dimension to the visit.

However, I do agree that Disney needs to have better control over the pool hopping. They don't allow park hopping unless you have the appropriate pass so why should pool hopping be any different. How much extra would it cost to have a cast member check room keys or your 'Key to the World' and provide a colored wristband like they do for other special events at the parks? Once the pool is at capacity then they can stop issuing wristbands. Disney has already determined what is peak time of the year and does not allow pool hopping during those times so they can just issue wristbands to the resort guest (each resort would have a different color).

This would allow for more control over pool access and the lifeguards could visibly verify offenders without having a guest become the pool police because they happen to 'overhear' a conversation or see someone with a refillable mug from another resort and suspect they are violaters.

I believe it is Disney's responsiblity to maintain control of who enters their pools and who doesn't. Just to say DVC members can no longer pool hop and then to magically expect everyone else to stop pool hopping is unreasonable. If they have to increase the room rates of the resorts (because the resort guest also use the pool and should be able pool hop) as well as our fees in order to provide security then so be it. Spreading that cost between all of the resort guests and DVC members will make it an insignificant increase.

Maybe there should be other restrictions as well. How about if you are staying at a value resort then you can only pool hop at other value resort pools. If you are staying at a moderate then you can choose to pool hop at any other moderate or value resort. If you stay at a deluxe resort or are a DVC member and have a 'Key to the World' then you can pool hop at any Disney resort, including AK and SAB.

Man Of Leisure
:earsboy: :earsgirl: :cool1:

[kathleena]

RE: the family hopping over from the camper.

It may have depended on how crowded it was at the pool and what time of day it was. Three times now in two trips, we have arrived at the pool and checked in for the wristband and they told us we didn't need one because the pool wasn't so busy.

If that family was there late in evening, they may have been able to use the pool easily.

[DVCDawn]

We've pool-hopped a few times for a very good reason. We own at BWV. I'll admit, I think it is a fantastic pool. However, our children are small and the kiddie pool at BWV is not very big. So we have hopped over to VWL a few times -- the kiddie pool is much bigger there. We like to eat outside and enjoy the wooded views.

The first time we stayed as DVC members, however, we were still allowed to pool hop to SAB. My oldest was 2 years old then and she had a blast in the sand-bottomed part.

DVCDawn ::MinnieMo

[nin72]

If you are staying at a dvc resort (Say SSR) can you use the pools at any of the other dvc resorts (stormalong bay)??

[wtpclc]

Members staying at DVC on points can use all other onsite pools EXCEPT stormalong bay and AKL pool.

[nicurn]

if we are dvc members but staying at akl, can we pool hop? I can never quite figure the whole pool hopping thing out. thanks, maggie

[nin72]

Thank You!!

[wtpclc]

Hi Maggie! :wave2: Didn't know you were DVC.

I knew I'd get questioned on the whether it had to be a DVC resort. Here's the scoop:

"You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, Disney's Beach Club Villas or Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World Resort hotel pools (in addition to the pool at the resort hotel at which you're staying) if they are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your "Key to the World" card with your "Disney Vacation Club Member" designation on it to use other resort hotel pools. Pool hopping is not available at Uzima Pool at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Stormalong Bay at Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts. In addition, this restriction includes the leisure pools at these two resort hotels. There are no exceptions to this policy."

Looks like that's a no for AKL. On the bright side, you'll already have an excluded pool at your service.

[dianeschlicht]

if we are dvc members but staying at akl, can we pool hop? I can never quite figure the whole pool hopping thing out. thanks, maggie
No, you are only allowed to pool hop when staying on points at a DVC resort.

[pirateparrot]

Pool hopping is also subject to blackout periods. These usually are around the holidays when WDW is at capacity.

[spiceycat]

if you pay cash and are staying at a DVC resort - no pool hopping- only stays at DVC resort on points!!!

here is the schedule when you can't pool hop
Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time because of capacity limitations. Due to expected high occupancy, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:


February 20 - 26, 2005

March 19 - 27, 2005

May 27 - 30, 2005

June 27 - July 4, 2005

September 2 - 5, 2005

November 21 - 27, 2005

December 17, 2005 - January2, 2006

[Deb & Bill]

Plus, you can't pool hop to any of the BC/YC/BCV pool. This includes the leisure pools. Not just SAB.

[joe1946]

Which resort pools do you guys think are the best if we were going to do some pool-hopping? We'll be staying at BCV, so any other pools we try are going to have to compete with SAB.

Thanks in advance!

-- Joe

[Cruelladeville]

There are NO pools that compete with SAB! Maybe the waterparks...but they aren't free. ;)

[Disney Doll]

There is not another pool on property that can compete with SAB.

I would probably hop to SSR, just because it's new and I haven't stayed there. I also like the WL main pool. OKW main pool is kind of nice and they have a new slide...it's close to the main buildings, they Gurgling Suitcase where you can get tropical drinks, the cute little snack bar where you can get snacks.

[spiceycat]

as has been mentioned nothing can compete with SAB

however that say CSR - Pyramid is a good second. Yes it is a moderate - but the slide is pretty darn cute.

I like it better than the volanco slide at the Polyn.

[allie&mattsmom]

We'll be staying at the BCV's in August. We've never pool hopped, although I guess we could being DVC members. My kids love the BW clown pool. If we wanted to, would we be able to use the BW pool? Do you need to show your DVC card? With SAB, I'm not even sure if we'll want to, but I'd like to know just in case. Thanks!

[newholidayx2]

I hope so
We're planning on hopping to the clown pool the day we have brkfst at Spoodles

[unixadm]

I know if you are staying at a DVC resort, you can pool hop with the exception of the BCV....the BC pool is for BC guests only. If you are staying at BCV, then you can go to any of the DVC property pools.

When we staying in BCV in May, we never did do any pool hopping.

We are going and paying cash for ASMo in September and was wondering if we could do the BW pool for an afternoon. I don't know if we can pool hop if we are not currently staying at a DVC resort.

Edit: The thread I answered was merged in with the larger thread and after reading that I guess the answer is No, I cannot go in other pools. Oh well.

[Mr Poohbrain]

Back in April, we went to O'Hana's for the character meal, then spent the late morning/early afternoon at their pool and beach. It was a nice change and I'd do it again. :flower:

Mrs. PB

[pixiedust23]

If they took away my pool hopping priviledges I would be very sad! I have done it a few times and always enjoyed it. I like to go to WDW not neccessarily for the parks but for relaxation and sitting by the same pool all week can get boring so its nice to be able to mix it up!

[pixiedust23]

Wondering if DVC members are free and clear to use the beach at the Poly and other resorts. Does this fall under the pool hopping policy we have? Anyone know?

[wdwstar]

That is a good question, I am not sure of the answer but if your were to use the BC beach since its located on the otherside of the sidewalk, im sure no one would notice. As far as the poly, since the beach is located right off the pool (the main part of the beach) the lifeguards sometimes check resort ids because that section is really where all the pool people sit. Now if you were to go on the beach right in front of the Hawaii building, i am sure no one would bother you. ;)

[pixiedust23]

That is a good question, I am not sure of the answer but if your were to use the BC beach since its located on the otherside of the sidewalk, im sure no one would notice. As far as the poly, since the beach is located right off the pool (the main part of the beach) the lifeguards sometimes check resort ids because that section is really where all the pool people sit. Now if you were to go on the beach right in front of the Hawaii building, i am sure no one would bother you. ;)

I'm just tyring to get the official ruling. Some non DVC-ers were taunting me when I mentioned possibly viewing WISHES from the Poly beach. I'm not trying to sneak around the rules just wondering what we are entitled to. :flower:

[Patty3]

I would have thought that anyone would be able to view Wishes from the Poly beach. Oh WOW, I just read the posts you were referring to. I did not know there was a sign on the beach?

[pixiedust23]

Yea and I dont mind the policy its people being snotty about it that bothers me!

[allie&mattsmom]

We were specifically told by CM's at the Poly in May that anyone can watch Wishes from the beach. You do not have to be staying at the resort. Lots of people eat at O'hana's and stroll out to the beach to catch the fireworks.

[pixiedust23]

We were specifically told by CM's at the Poly in May that anyone can watch Wishes from the beach. You do not have to be staying at the resort. Lots of people eat at O'hana's and stroll out to the beach to catch the fireworks.

Thank you very much!

[spiceycat]

as a DVC member I am pretty sure you can use everything including the beach.

call and ask member services or your guide - they can ask the people in charge of the WDW resorts and get back to you unless they already know.

[paulh]

only place you carnt pool hop is SAB so you can got to the beach to watch the show just show your dvc card at the gate
Paulh

[Patty3]

Yea and I dont mind the policy its people being snotty about it that bothers me!


I totally agree with u, some of those posts were downright rude and out of line.

[pixiedust23]

only place you carnt pool hop is SAB so you can got to the beach to watch the show just show your dvc card at the gate
Paulh

I also believe you are not permitted at the AKL, though I have no idea why?!!? :confused3

[kathleena]

I also believe you are not permitted at the AKL, though I have no idea why?!!? :confused3

My guess would be because 1) it's the only pool at the resort - most have quiet pools also so the guests are more spread out and 2) the resort is very popular with visitors because of the animals so they anticipated extra "unofficial" use.

JMHO.

[Granny]

Some non DVC-ers were taunting me.... That'll teach you about associating with the wrong crowd! :teeth:

[pixiedust23]

That'll teach you about associating with the wrong crowd! :teeth:


They didnt know I was DVC I guess they didnt read my sig. And then they started going on about how people from other resorts shouldnt think they can go to the Poly for things. So I decided to ask them if pool hopping covered beaches and they didnt even know DVC was allowed to pool hop! I decided if they wont let me on their beach I can stand just at the edge of the pool patio to watch WISHES and then swim in their pool! muuuahahaha!

I shall never associate with the non-dvc crowd again. waaaay rude!

[spiceycat]

you know some people are jealous. I mean hey you own a piece of WDW!!!!

so just be nice yourself!!!

I may sound mean when I am defending Pop - there a few that post on the Dis that hate that place and try to make it sound horrible - even comparing it to a motel 6....

anyway the Polyn probably has the most loyal surporters of any of the resorts. there are some people who have been going to the Polyn since it opened - back in the 70's....

[pixiedust23]

Hey I take it all in good fun. I'd much rather turn it around into a joke then be rude about it! And yes I know they are just jealous of the wonderful DVC program and its fabulous members!

[Mickey527]

You can pool hop while staying at a DVC resort to any of the pools except SAB and AKL pool. You cannot pool hop if you are a DVC member and staying at a resort other than the DVC resorts. Your key card has to say DVC member on it. I know some DVC members who brag about staying at Pop Century using their AP to get good rates then pool hop to the "better" resorts. I so want to turn them in.
I watched the fireworks on July 3rd from the dock at Poly and never was questioned. I got to chatting and quite a few people there were from other resorts and came there to see the fireworks. They had the 4th of July fireworks at MK on the 3rd and 4th.
I would be careful however about swimming in the lakes in FL. There are signs posted with warnings about the bacteria that grows in the Fl lakes. I am sure Disney does what it can but with the heat in Fl the bacteria can't be eliminated. Two boys died a few years back in a lake in Southern Fl because the bacteria got into open wounds and the wounds became severly infected. I wouldn't take a chance, there are enougn pools to swim in.
I always wondered if that bacteria was one of the reasons why they closed the swimming area at Fort Wilderness and never reopened it or remodled it.
Peggie

[Patty3]

That'll teach you about associating with the wrong crowd! :teeth:


:rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[robinb]

pixiedust23,

You asked on the other thread if the pool bar was open late. Being a fellow LOTW, I know how you can get a drink and still enjoy the fireworks from your DVC-approved-not-quite-on-the-beach spot. We ordered drinks from the Tambu Lounge and asked for them in a to-go cup. We *gasp* broke the rules and watched the fireworks from the beach along the sidewalk and sipped our Lapu Lapus.

[PolyNothingBetter]

Just jealous of DVC Owners? Yikes get a grip already.

if we are so jealous of DVC owners, why is it that you are coming to our (cash paying) resort to share our pool and wonderful view? YOU are jealous why else you would be at our resort?

Geeez, with all due respect, do you find non-DVC members frequenting DVC places to check out the view, dine at the restaurants or just soak in atmosphere, I would bet its rare as there aint a heck of a lot to see at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs other than some pretty unincredible condos ...

I think you will find over time that these pool hopping priveldges for DVC members to the best Disney resorts will someday be removed .. paying guests deserve these deluxe amenities over visitors ...

Here come the flames ------> :scared1:

[pixiedust23]

pixiedust23,

You asked on the other thread if the pool bar was open late. Being a fellow LOTW, I know how you can get a drink and still enjoy the fireworks from your DVC-approved-not-quite-on-the-beach spot. We ordered drinks from the Tambu Lounge and asked for them in a to-go cup. We *gasp* broke the rules and watched the fireworks from the beach along the sidewalk and sipped our Lapu Lapus.


Ah thank you very much Robin! That shall be my plan! Who knows I too might o no break the rules!

[robinb]

Just jealous of DVC Owners? Yikes get a grip already.

What a lovely first post. :rolleyes1

Welcome to the DIS!!!

[pixiedust23]

Just jealous of DVC Owners? Yikes get a grip already.

if we are so jealous of DVC owners, why is it that you are coming to our (cash paying) resort to share our pool and wonderful view? YOU are jealous why else you would be at our resort?

Geeez, with all due respect, do you find non-DVC members frequenting DVC places to check out the view, dine at the restaurants or just soak in atmosphere, I would bet its rare as there aint a heck of a lot to see at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs other than some pretty unincredible condos ...

I think you will find over time that these pool hopping priveldges for DVC members to the best Disney resorts will someday be removed .. paying guests deserve these deluxe amenities over visitors ...

Here come the flames ------> :scared1:


Umm like it or not those are the policies. O and I dont see the pool hopping priveledges going anywhere seen as how DVC members cough up about $20,000 compared to your what $1000? And for the record our family owns at BCV and VWL so yes people go there ALL THE TIME to try to visit the pools and restaurants!

Why would you come to a nice calm and light-hearted DVC thread and just start throwing the insults? Really what is the point in that? :confused3

uumm yea and its not obvious that youre a troll or anything either lol. obviously we're not stupid people; we bough a piece of the magic! :wizard:

[PolyNothingBetter]

Correction, no one is going to VWL or BCV to visit there (to see what the kitchens?), they are going to WL and BC/YC... these places existed before DVC tacked on their wings to these places and the made the places more crowded than originally intended.

And if I am willing to spend $5k to stay for a nice Poly vacation every other year, why would I buy DVC? Only if I needed to save the money ...

[Deb & Bill]

...And if I am willing to spend $5k to stay for a nice Poly vacation every other year, why would I buy DVC? Only if I needed to save the money ...

A fool and his money...... :rolleyes1

[pixiedust23]

PolyNothingBetter-

If you have just come to our boards to insult us, I would have to ask you to please cease and desist or leave. There is no need for animosity here. We are happy people just trying to engage in a little magic. Disneys policies are what they are, whether you agree with them or not. Feel free to spend $5000 on the poly if you choose but realize we have every right to enjoy their pool as well.

Hopefully you'll get hit with some pixie dust and magically pop in a more joyful disposition! :flower:

[PolyNothingBetter]

A fool and his money...... :rolleyes1

I will gladly buy DVC and join all of you joyful souls when there is a DVC at the POLY ... until then would you mind staying away from the POLY and crowding up our pool? :wave2:

[allie&mattsmom]

:confused3 Just jealous of DVC Owners? Yikes get a grip already.

if we are so jealous of DVC owners, why is it that you are coming to our (cash paying) resort to share our pool and wonderful view? YOU are jealous why else you would be at our resort?

Geeez, with all due respect, do you find non-DVC members frequenting DVC places to check out the view, dine at the restaurants or just soak in atmosphere, I would bet its rare as there aint a heck of a lot to see at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs other than some pretty unincredible condos ...

I think you will find over time that these pool hopping priveldges for DVC members to the best Disney resorts will someday be removed .. paying guests deserve these deluxe amenities over visitors ...

Here come the flames ------> :scared1:

Nice. :rolleyes2 . If you despise DVC so much why are you over here? :confused3

[vascubaguy]

It's not the pool we are going for. Its just coincidence that we are touring these other resorts at times when fireworks are showing. Any guest at WDW can tour any of the resorts. As a DVC member, there's just the added perk that we can get in the pool too.

So... when we come to crowd the Poly pool... you can make your way down to that beach... or... we could just make our way to the beach and you stay at the pool. :rolleyes1

[paulh]

PolyNothingBetter strange that your first is about paying cash over dvc me thinks you booked a trip at a lot of money and then found out about DVC looks like you lost a dolar and found a dime
Paulh

[treehugger]

I will gladly buy DVC and join all of you joyful souls when there is a DVC at the POLY ... until then would you mind staying away from the POLY and crowding up our pool? :wave2:

PolyNothingBetter, I too was a diehard Poly lover and thought that DVC just wouldn't make me happy, boy was I ignorant. Buying DVC was the best decision I ever made! It was not to save money, because I am shelling out a hefty sum every month. It is an intangable feeling of complete bliss, a constant flow of trip planning and anticipation that will continue (Him willing) for the next 50 years. Knowing that at any given time I have a wonderful vacation planned that is less than 6 months away. Before DVC I wouldn't have thought that the BCV, SSR and BWV would even come close to the Poly, I was sooo wrong. On our last trip to BCV and SSR we stopped by the Poly and I although I still love it there I can truly say I love my DVC resorts more. Pride in owning a piece of the magic and true love of all things Disney, you either get it or you don't.

Treehugger, a very joyful soul! :flower3:

[Sammie]

:confused3

Nice. :rolleyes2 . If you despise DVC so much why are you over here? :confused3

Well there are always 2 sides to everything. This post by the OP is a direct result of a thread that ended up being closed on the Resorts Board. Before any of you take sides you might want to read it.

Rude and being direct can sometimes be taken as the same thing. Just as asking a honest question can sometimes be constured as baiting and trying to start a controversy.

Read the previous thread and make your conclusions. Personally I think both sides were close to being out of line.

I am a DVC member but I also enjoy some nonDVC stays also. I see both sides. The Polynesian resort has at times almost become a theme park in itself with as many nonguests wondering around as guests. The signs state the beach is for the use of Polynesian resort guests. This was the reason for the discussion which lead to the other post being closed. I am not sure if guests visiting the Polynesian resort are the same as Polynesian resort guests, I guess it is all in interpretation.

I would think as much as some of the SSR owners are upset about the crowding of buses from DD guests, you would understand the feelings of the Polynesian guests.

Personally I have quit staying at the Polynesian for this reason. I want to escape the crowds that you face at the theme parks at my resort. Not carry them back to the resort with me.

Plus I don't think SSR owners would appreciate bus loads of people coming over just to watch the fireworks from Pleasure Island, ;)

It would also be nice if discussions did not end up being DVC against nonDVC.

[bobbiwoz]

Wow, it never would have occured to me that people who go to a resort to eat aren't allowed to walk around afterwards for a walk around the resort. Sometimes I just visit a resort to see what's available in the gift shop. We watched Wishes from a dock area of the GF when we were staying at OKW last year. We've been doing things like this ever since we've been going to WDW, 1977. I think it's just part of the experience. You can even get a pass to park your car at the Poly for a few hours.

Bobbi :flower:

[Dean]

Just jealous of DVC Owners? Yikes get a grip already.

if we are so jealous of DVC owners, why is it that you are coming to our (cash paying) resort to share our pool and wonderful view? YOU are jealous why else you would be at our resort?

Geeez, with all due respect, do you find non-DVC members frequenting DVC places to check out the view, dine at the restaurants or just soak in atmosphere, I would bet its rare as there aint a heck of a lot to see at Old Key West or Saratoga Springs other than some pretty unincredible condos ...

I think you will find over time that these pool hopping priveldges for DVC members to the best Disney resorts will someday be removed .. paying guests deserve these deluxe amenities over visitors ...

Here come the flames ------> :scared1:DVC members are allowed to pool hop, that's currently part of their benefits package. There are a few restrictions of course Some like to try all different pools or take a quick swim and relax to break up the day at a park. Or maybe catch a meal and hit pool there for a quiet afternoon or evening. A number of years ago all WDW resort guests had pool hopping privileges, but no longer. I would quarrel with you with the idea that DVC members aren't paying guests. And IMO, assuming one is legally pool hopping, a DVC members has just as much right to be at the pool as one paying cash at the time.

And resort guests do pool hop illegally as do locals and off site guests. I too expect PH to be limited or removed over time but until it is done, some of us will be right there with you.

[pixiedust23]

And resort guests do pool hop illegally as do locals and off site guests. I too expect PH to be limited or removed over time but until it is done, some of us will be right there with you.

And I would never encourage someone to illegally pool hop. we as dvc cant do it all times during the year and I would never attempt to try this during those periods when it was not permitted!

Sorry if any of you think this was used to spur a fight back on the resorts board. After hearing they had a sign I wanted to know if we had access to the beach or not. Yes clearly I wasnt happy with the tone on that board but I no intention of going back and continuing the argument with newly discovered information LOL. Sorry don't have the time for that kind of stuff! I guess I"ll just wait and call DVC on Monday for the official stance on the beach policy! Thanks for people who were attempting to help!! :flower3: :wave2:

[Deb & Bill]

Well there are always 2 sides to everything. ...

As usual, good post, Sammie.

And there are signs posted on the beach at the Polynesian that the beach is for the exclusive use of the guests of that resort. As long as guests of the Polynesian don't complain, I imagine they will continue to let other guests watch the fireworks from the beach. However, if the resort management gets enough complaints, they could decide to police the beach and pool like they do SAB.

Now over at the BC/YC, the beach isn't much use at all, unless you want to dig in the sand or lie out on the sand. Maybe play beach volleyball or something. You can't swim there, you can't fish there, no fireworks to be seen from the beach that can't be seen better from closer to Epcot.

[Beach_Bound9]

if we are so jealous of DVC owners, why is it that you are coming to our (cash paying) resort to share our pool and wonderful view? YOU are jealous why else you would be at our resort?


I think some of it is simply variety. DVC owners have made a substantial financial commitment to Disney, that those staying for cash have not made, there is no tie for them to return another time. DVC members have already paid for those return visits up front.

I like pool hopping but as the size of the DVC community grows, I do not see it continuing. I hope it does as my boys get older I can see us taking advantage of it more for a mid afternoon break. I do think SSR will face challenges from nearby non-disney hotels with pool crashing.

I caught 3 kids trying to hop the fence at Vero on the 4th to crash the pool. Kind of ticked me off that not only were they pool crashing, they were breaking the fence in the process. If they would have waited by the entrance gate, someone would have probably been polite and held the gate for them letting the pool crashers in.

Good luck SSR pool users, hope it doesn't become a problem for you.

[manning]

Do you think I can pool hop to SAB when staying at VB??? :rolleyes1

[Deb & Bill]

Do you think I can pool hop to SAB when staying at VB??? :rolleyes1

Bad boy. Baaaaad Boy!! ;)

[lark]

I'm sure these have been asked and answered a number of times; perhaps my searching skills aren't great.

Anyway, do poolhopping privileges apply only during your stay or any time? What is the procedure -- do you have to call the resort you're visiting in advance, or can you just show up? And, finally, is poolhopping available whether you buy resale or direct from disney? Thanks.

[Chuck S]

I'm sure these have been asked and answered a number of times; perhaps my searching skills aren't great.

Anyway, do poolhopping privileges apply only during your stay or any time? What is the procedure -- do you have to call the resort you're visiting in advance, or can you just show up? And, finally, is poolhopping available whether you buy resale or direct from disney? Thanks.

From the member website:

Pool Hopping Information for 2005

You and any Guests staying with you at Disney's Old Key West Resort, Disney's BoardWalk Villas, The Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge, Disney's Beach Club Villas or Disney's Saratoga Springs Resort & Spa are permitted to use other Disney Vacation Club and Walt Disney World Resort hotel pools (in addition to the pool at the resort hotel at which you're staying) if they are not at capacity. If the pool you are visiting reaches capacity, you may be asked to leave in order to accommodate Guests of that resort hotel. Please check with a Host/Hostess at the Front Desk of the resort hotel you wish to visit to find out about pool-access availability. You must present your "Key to the World" card with your "Disney Vacation Club Member" designation on it to use other resort hotel pools. Pool hopping is not available at Uzima Pool at Disney's Animal Kingdom Lodge and Stormalong Bay at Disney's Yacht & Beach Club Resorts. In addition, this restriction includes the leisure pools at these two resort hotels. There are no exceptions to this policy.

Resort hotel pools may become unavailable from time to time because of capacity limitations. Due to expected high occupancy, Disney Vacation Club Members may not "pool hop" during the following dates*:


November 21 - 27, 2005
December 17, 2005 - January2, 2006

*Other restricted dates may be added based on projected pool capacity.

[TheXFactor]

How does Dinsey really know what resort your'e from?

I've been to Disney 100+ times (not as a DVC member) and have been pool hopping every trip.

If the pool gets crowded at Storm Along Bay - Is Disney staff going to start carding people?

Has anyone ever seen this done?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just asking.

[Sammie]

Your resort ID has a code on it idenifying which resort and at the YC/BC wristbands are issued for entrance to SAB and a resort ID is required.

At other pools random ID checks are made as needed.

Certainly at other times the honor code is used, which is probably something very few people adhere to anymore, which is sad. :(

[DVC-Don]

The first 3 or 4 numbers on your room key ID the resort you are staying at.

[Wendy1953]

Well, as a DVC member I appreciate the availability made to us for pool hopping, but honestly, at any of the resorts that I have stayed at I have never been "carded". Going HOME on Wednesday to BCV, and intend on using SAB....is it gated? Not that it matters to me, it's my home resort, so I won't have a problem if it is, I only ask because I've never really seen a gated pool at any of the resorts. Was at Coronado Springs in June, went to the "Pyramid" (can't remember the name) pool, and no gates, towels were available to all who came and went. Actually took the little tram to and from, and no one was ever questioned about their key. Same at POP, Contemporary, OKW, WL....so how would they keep track? If you came down to the pool with another room mate, and they went back with the key, what would happen? Would they actually kick you out until you could prove you belong there?

[TheXFactor]

I think that's my point...

The wrist band thing is interesting (i've never seen it at Disney).

I bought DVC at BWV and plan on going to Storm Along Bay all the time. I know if you walk from BWV to Storm Along Bay, there's no "gate" between the path (that circles the lagoon) and the pool itself. Once I get into the pool, chances are disney personnel won't ask to see my "card"...lol.

If I could find a BCV, 150 points or less, with my use year - I'd buy it up, but until then I'll just break the law...lol

[flexsmom]

"Once I get into the pool, chances are disney personnel won't ask to see my "card"...lol."

I beg to differ. In December of last year - hardly a crowded pool time - the staff at BCV was very vigilant about "carding" people. Our group had a few people who wanted to swim, and many of us who were just sitting around watching the kids. Each of us had to show our cards - the kids got the wristbands and towels issued to them based on them.

I know I've heard of people who have said they've walked up and into the pool with no one asking, but it does happen. This was during the SAB renovations, too, so truly not crowded.

[lark]

I think that's my point...

The wrist band thing is interesting (i've never seen it at Disney).

I bought DVC at BWV and plan on going to Storm Along Bay all the time. I know if you walk from BWV to Storm Along Bay, there's no "gate" between the path (that circles the lagoon) and the pool itself. Once I get into the pool, chances are disney personnel won't ask to see my "card"...lol.

If I could find a BCV, 150 points or less, with my use year - I'd buy it up, but until then I'll just break the law...lol

You may be very disappointed. Wristbands are in prevalent use now at SAB, even at non busy times of year. There are many reports of people being turned away or kicked out. And there are indeed CMs checking for wristbands of people once they are in the pools.

[TheXFactor]

thanks for the info!

[Sammie]

Well, as a DVC member I appreciate the availability made to us for pool hopping, but honestly, at any of the resorts that I have stayed at I have never been "carded". Going HOME on Wednesday to BCV, and intend on using SAB....is it gated? Not that it matters to me, it's my home resort, so I won't have a problem if it is, I only ask because I've never really seen a gated pool at any of the resorts. Was at Coronado Springs in June, went to the "Pyramid" (can't remember the name) pool, and no gates, towels were available to all who came and went. Actually took the little tram to and from, and no one was ever questioned about their key. Same at POP, Contemporary, OKW, WL....so how would they keep track? If you came down to the pool with another room mate, and they went back with the key, what would happen? Would they actually kick you out until you could prove you belong there?

Yes SAB is gated.

Non gated pools are randomly checked for ID's based on occupancy and the pool crowd. The rest of the time as I stated above it's the honor policy. The policy is posted at all pools that the pool is for the exclusive use of that resort's guest. I am sure as with all things in life some do not think that applies to them. :rolleyes:

[jaysue]

About 1 or 2 times of 10+ have we been able to stroll into SAB without having resort ID checked for all in our party and wristbands given to be worn

You want to break the rules, you take your chances

I have also been at WL/VWL when they have carded there as well and actually escorted people out of the pool area so don't assume no protection means open access

Of course why be honest? Would you mind if people stole from your house since after all the rules do not apply and are made to be broken...right?

cheers
jaysue

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[edenlee]

I have to say that some of the comments in this thread are somewhat upsetting. I would have thought that my fellow dvc members would be the kind of people who abide by the rules and to hear comments like those above has given me a shock. I fell strongly that if we are asked not to pool hop at a resorts then we should not. What kind of example do we set our children if we just flagrantly disregard the rules???

[muffy0110]

have I been-and have done it many many times

[bicker]

Certainly at other times the honor code is used, which is probably something very few people adhere to anymore, which is sad. :(Truly very sad.

Folks should remember that these rules used to be much less stringent and less specific. They've become more restrictive because so many folks have voluntarily chosen to place their own selfish gain over respect for others. The more folks continue to do so, the more restrictive the rules shall become, and the more money we will all have to pay to in order to cover the added costs of policing such more restrictive rules.

[skoi]

My family must look like a bunch of illegal pool hopping desperados pirate: because they always ask us for i.d. We even had to show cards at OKW to get towels in late August.

That said, we don't mind. I'd like to see it more often. After all, one of the reasons dh insisted on BCV over VWL was SAB and the benefit he saw in having access to the pool, not that we'd ever seen it before we bought, but everyone said is was so great so...

[MdmMim]

I was carded while sitting at a table, reading a book and :drinking1. I had no plans to swim, and was wearing shorts--not swimming attire. The CM's were making a sweep through the entire pool area, asking those without the proper resort ID to leave. I showed them my room key and was given a wristband. :banana: There were quite a few, however, who packed up and moved on. :earseek:

[HUFF590]

I have to say that some of the comments in this thread are somewhat upsetting. I would have thought that my fellow dvc members would be the kind of people who abide by the rules and to hear comments like those above has given me a shock. I fell strongly that if we are asked not to pool hop at a resorts then we should not. What kind of example do we set our children if we just flagrantly disregard the rules???

I AGREE

[Deb & Bill]

I have to say that some of the comments in this thread are somewhat upsetting. I would have thought that my fellow dvc members would be the kind of people who abide by the rules and to hear comments like those above has given me a shock. I fell strongly that if we are asked not to pool hop at a resorts then we should not. What kind of example do we set our children if we just flagrantly disregard the rules???

I agree with what you say and I choose to follow the rules. But I have heard here on the DIS about putting 6 in a studio, hibachis on the balcony, using mugs from many years ago (the pattern is almost washed off), not buying that ticket for the 3 yr old, etc. There was on thread that got shut down where everyone bragged how they got around the rules at Disney. The biggest problem is Disney, itself, failing to enforce the rules except when they get flagrantly out of hand, i.e. SAB pool hopping. And even then they aren't consistent in enforcing the rules. There are a lot of people out there who think getting "permission" to flout the rules is all about making Magic at Disney.

[Wendy1953]

I agree whole-heartedly...I myself have never gone to a pool in a resort other than where I am staying...now being a DVC member, I like the pool hopping policy, but really don't see that there is enough time in any day to really use it....I come down for the magic of Disney, spend lots of time in the parks, and when I want to relax in a pool, I use the one that is closest to my home base!

People do take advantage these days of everything they possibly can, and then wonder why so many rules are put in place and then enforced, and then they complain about the high prices hey have to pay.

[Wendy1953]

I also realize that many of the people in these threads are really not DVC members...they are looking into seeing if DVC is for them. I hope the ones that decide it is are honest, law and rule abiding buyers, not flagrant abusers of any and all systems.

[jetsetter90]

We've been at BCV were my kids have run ahead to go down the slide. When they got to the top they were told "You can go this time but go get a braclet." Also when you get the towels there was somebody there that asked to see your room key or the braclet

Only one other time were we asked for room key and that was at the BWV.

TTFN
Jetsetter90

[Dean]

I think most DVC members tend to follow the rules. There are exceptions of course. And there is an element of situational ethics that is pervasive in general now days and DVC is no exception. Each situation would have to be judged on it's own merits of course. But I can't see purposefully violating the PH rules, it's just not my nature.