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Disney Hot Mama
07-20-2004, 10:05 PM
We were coming home from Disney Market place tonight. Walking from the parking lot to the villas we actually saw it - the BVC gator. There were some kids feeding something hotdogs. We stopped to tell them not to feel the ducks 0r so we thought that was what they were feeding. Well low and behold the gator was there having a late night snack. I ran up to the room and grabbed my digital and 35 mm camera and made it down to see him BUT it was so dark the camera would not focus so I have no photos to show you but he was/is there. I always though the stories I read were fiction but now I have seen him with my two eyes. Looks very tame as he waited for his snack.

rocketriter
07-20-2004, 10:44 PM
Gotta hope there are no circular black ears sticking out from between its teeth!
:earseek:

offtheice
07-20-2004, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Disney Hot Mama
We were coming home from Disney Market place tonight. Walking from the parking lot to the villas we actually saw it - the BVC gator. There were some kids feeding something hotdogs. We stopped to tell them not to feel the ducks 0r so we thought that was what they were feeding. Well low and behold the gator was there having a late night snack. I ran up to the room and grabbed my digital and 35 mm camera and made it down to see him BUT it was so dark the camera would not focus so I have no photos to show you but he was/is there. I always though the stories I read were fiction but now I have seen him with my two eyes. Looks very tame as he waited for his snack.

They have them all over. Shades of Green has a 3-4 ft one..

Patty3
07-20-2004, 10:57 PM
We saw it last August, but this past May we did not see the gator. It is kinda exciting to see it, the kids are always looking for it.

rinkwide
07-20-2004, 11:26 PM
Careful there. My old friend Four Finger Freddy says Al E. Gator is always looking for a hand out.;)

Sammie
07-21-2004, 01:35 AM
Please share this info from the Florida Wildlife and Game Division:
"An alligator's awesome countenance and menacing jaws evoke fear and respect from humans. Although the alligator is a predator, its appetite includes almost anything and, unfortunately, there have been a small number of tragic alligator attacks on people. Even though the risk of a person being injured or killed by an alligator is very low, it does exist.

Despite all this, some visitors and state residents still delight in feeding alligators. This results in the reptiles overcoming their natural shyness and becoming accustomed to humans. Some have become so used to humans and food handouts that they exhibit little, if any, fear of man.

Apart from the risk people impose upon themselves by feeding an alligator, they are also conditioning the animal to associate people with food. For this reason, Florida law prohibits feeding of wild alligators."

I can not believe that adults allow children to feed this alligator.

Pa@okw95
07-21-2004, 06:47 AM
You should hear the stories my daughter could tell about vistors feeding bears, etc. There are many people out there that do not understand what they are dealing with when it comes to wild life. Bears for example tear car doors off like they are made of paper.

Vince
07-21-2004, 07:44 AM
Where is the best spot to look for this gator???





Thanks,
Vince

bobbiwoz
07-21-2004, 08:11 AM
Wild animals should not be fed, they lose their fear of humans and that alligator is learning that all humans are potential portable refrigerators.

Bobbi

LIFERBABE
07-21-2004, 02:14 PM
When you are crossing the bridge from the parking lot.

We were feeding bread to the fish and ducks tossing the bread over the bridge into the water. The alligator must have noticed all the activity of the feeding fish and ducks and came from under the tunnel out into the open.

I think the birds and ducks are pretty much dependent, as I have seen birds steal Ketchup packets and eat them at WDW. The ducks were swimming in SAB right along with the kids so their natural fear is pretty much gone. We have always visited the lakes and ponds and fed ducks and birds. I wouldnt hand anything to a gator though.

Lesley
07-21-2004, 02:24 PM
In general, its a bad idea to feed any creature that you aren't willing to take responsibility for (behavior, health, and reproduction-wise). While birds and small animals may just become pests (and/or overpopulated)....large animals can be very dangerous.

And this applies to domesticated animals too....feral cats and dogs are a huge problem in many places.

Off my soapbox now.....too much personal experience in this area to keep quiet.

Sammie
07-21-2004, 10:02 PM
Speaking of the ducks. I have a friend who was a lifeguard at SAB and they really try to keep the ducks out of the pool for many reasons. One being they make a huge mess, with duck poo in the pool.

But also people were feeding them and an owl swooped down one early evening and scared the poo out of everyone around the ducks.

The lifeguard tried to explain to everyone that people had been feeding the ducks and now they are not afraid to come in the pools with humans. But the owl sees the ducks as his next meal and gives no regard to the fact that kids are in the way.

I really do not advice anyone to feed any of the birds, ducks, alligators or any wildlife at Disney. I have seen some very scarey scenes with the birds due to people feeding them.

Except for your kids, please feed them. :)

madcoco
07-22-2004, 04:54 PM
Yes feeding these animals changes their natural behavior.
This alligator found it's way around Tom Sawyer's Island last year. People were trying to feed it from the walkway in Frontierland :confused:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/pf6041a498977e86641b77799e6edc35d/fb3bed74.jpg

A woman lost part of her arm and is in critical condition today after being attacked by a 12ft gator in Ft Meyer's Oops actually Sanibel yesterday while doing some landscaping at the edge of a pond.

Buzzsgramma
07-23-2004, 08:29 AM
yes, i just saw that on the news this morn....they said she was crouched down trimming some bushes, shes a landscaper...two men helped rescue her and the police....they said if her arm hadnt been intangled in the vines the gator would have taken her out further in the water and drown her and you know the rest.....the folks living there have know about this gator for yrs. assuming its the same one they said..

LisaSt
07-23-2004, 08:48 AM
On our trip last Dec my wife and the kids and I went to Merit Island for a side trip. We stopped at the information centre and on our way out we saw an alligator sitting by the pond to the left. So I pulled the van over and hopped out with camera in hand and made my way over to the alligator. Yes everyone else stayed in the van it was about 6 feet long or so and I was able to get about 20 feet from it taking pictures. My wife started yelling at me to stop so while I was turned around talking to her it hopped up on its hind legs and jumped into the pond. So I didn't get the picture of it getting into the water would have been a cool pic but I did get numerous other pics of it while it was laying at the side of the pond. Coolest thing I had seen on the trip and we plan to go back next time to see if he is still there so I can get more pictures.

Sammie
07-23-2004, 09:44 AM
Something else that many people not familar with alligators do not realize is that for short distances they are very, very fast. Their appearance would lead one to think they are slow moving creatures but this is not true. So stay away from them.

Chim Chiminy
07-23-2004, 12:00 PM
We saw Al last August while staying at the BCV.
He tended to come out later in the afternoon.
One day there was a whole family on the bridge feeding him Captain Crunch.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/pdbd3d659e9c89407c298e7a136bc0157/fa8491c9.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid89/p8f33cd4fa3968ed83540eb98fdb5c7b9/fa8491b4.jpg

bobbiwoz
07-23-2004, 01:34 PM
That landscaper has died in surgery. Please don't do anything foolish around alligators, we don't want to read about fellow DISers making headlines.

Bobbi:D

madcoco
07-23-2004, 02:07 PM
That is sad to hear.:(

westjones
07-23-2004, 02:18 PM
Why doesn't Disney have it removed? It sounds dangerous having it around BCV.
DJ

Sammie
07-23-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by westjones
Why doesn't Disney have it removed? It sounds dangerous having it around BCV.
DJ

Disney has removed this gator and it returns. This is due to people feeding it. When humans feed gators the outcome is usually death for the gator as they will always find a way to come back to the easy food source.

I just can not believe people think these wild animals are pets.

gjw007
07-23-2004, 05:11 PM
Sorry to hear about the landscaper. I had been wondering if Disney had a problem with gators since I also have a timeshare at Orange Lake and a gator occassionally shows up. They remove it as quick as possible. Like most people here, they warn people not to feed it or to get to close. I'm been told that it is impossible to complete eliminate the possibility of gators getting into the resort given the large number of gators and waterways in the area. They request that people report any sightings and they will call animal control to remove it. It sounds like Disney does the same but I'm wondering how many people have actually reported it to Disney and not treated it as part of the attractions?

madcoco
07-23-2004, 05:48 PM
Most areas in FL have size restrictions on nuisance Gators for removal. It varies from place to place I do not know what Disney goes by, but most areas I am familiar with have a 4ft to 6ft min length. The news article today mentioned Sanibel's is 8 ft where the attack occurred.

Believe it or not some people thought the one at the MK last year was an animatronics or brought in by Disney for show. The CM that was there and having a heck of a time trying to keep people from feeding it, kept trying to tell people that it was real! Like Sammie said, an alligator that has been fed usually has a death sentence when it comes time for removal.

colleen costello
07-23-2004, 06:12 PM
We looked for the famed "Tom Sawyer Island" gator on our last visit in June. A nice OKW secturity man described to me where to look for the creature and said they had tried repeatedly to trap it. The gator was camped out behind the turkey leg stand in Frontierland because people would feed it, making it quite dangerous as mentioned in above posts. This trip A CM told me they had finally caught the MK gator and were relieved as he was getting big enough to really be a threat.

We then were lucky enough to see a gator near the entrance to Eagle Pines golf course. The OKW bus would go right by there daily, right after passing the entrance to Ft. Wilderness. A few times we saw him just pass the entrance gates, sunning himself on a rise you could see from the road. Coming from the Midwest, we were thrilled to see a gator, although I probably wouldn't want to golf with him around!

Beth
07-24-2004, 08:30 AM
We live on a lake and have had our share of gators. We have the "grandpa" who is about 11-12 feet long. ...Haven't seen him in about 8 months - but he's out there, somewhere.

Earlier this week, our neighbors called the police because one (about 6 feet) came out and was sunning in the middle of the road.

Anyway - my word of caution.

Normally the gators around here pretty much keep to themselves. But where you have to worry is when you stumble up upon a nest. They are VERY defensive! Our lawn guy accidentally came upon a nest a few days ago. He jumped into a nearby boat, where he was literally held hostage by the gator for a few hours, until he could reach someone on his cel phone for help. When they came out, the gator lunged at them, so they shot them. In this situation, it was self-defense and legal.

So be careful when walking near the brush around lakes and waterways - there could very well be nests there...

rriley25
07-24-2004, 10:36 AM
I posted some more gator pics from BCV. We were there in July 2004 and saw him regularly. I was told by a landscaper there that there were actually 3 different gators in this canal. He called this one "Charlie". Just click here (http://share.shutterfly.com/action/share/welcome?i=EeAMnDZi4asWroY&sm=1&sl=0)

DIZNYFAN
07-27-2004, 04:28 PM
rriley those are great pics of the gator at BCV

kathleena
07-27-2004, 04:49 PM
My DH and friend golfed with two women from FL the last time we were down. They said that when a ball went into water, the women would only swish the ball retriever in once to look for it and then move on.

They said you never know when a gator could investigate the noise and lunge up at you. So a golf ball isn't worth the price you would have to pay.

SO sorry to hear about that landscaper. I wonder why she stayed so close to the pond for so long. Or maybe it was just too quick. Very sad.

And don't feed the wildlife at WDW. Those birds get so agressive now.

Spectro is #1
07-27-2004, 06:58 PM
People were trying to feed it from the walkway in Frontierland

I took the same photo of that gator LOL:p

DIZNYFAN
07-27-2004, 07:12 PM
It is good to know where they are that way if our kids or anyone elses kids act up we can take them over and feed them to the gators that way people do not have to hear them scream and yell and so on. Now that would be a great solution hehehe J/K