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10gigi
07-19-2004, 09:10 AM
Just returned home from Boardwalk. My family had a wonderful time like always but, I was very upset with two families that rented from someone on this board. They were on the 2nd floor and two of the children ages 8-11 distroyed the planters and plants in the hallway. I caught them ripping apart the plants. I spoke with them firmly and spoke with the manager as well. I asked that they speak to the parents again and do something about the distruction of property. They assured me they would take care of the problem. I am still very upset because everytime someone rents to trash like this family, the Boardwalk or other DVC resorts will be distroyed. This also makes our maintance fees go up. I really think we are renting our resorts out way to cheap. These two famlies didn't even care about their sons distroying our property. These families rented from someone on this board. Please lets consider raising our rental prices. :Pinkbounc
Still very upset!!!!

I asked the front desk and it was an owner who made reservations but the name was different from the owner! So it was either a family member or a renter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

spiceycat
07-19-2004, 09:13 AM
most people who rent - don't do this....

and besides uping the rent won't stop it - just look at your TV set who does the most damage - rich - spoiled people.... any class can have spoiled people - but I am sorry - uping the rent won't stop them....

tjkraz
07-19-2004, 09:26 AM
Just out of curiosity:

How do you know that the family was staying on rented points?

Why do you think this has any relevance to point rental cost? Do you really think that another $1 or 2 per point would have discouraged this family from renting points?

PamOKW
07-19-2004, 09:28 AM
Not sure how you knew they rented from someone on this board or how much they paid ---

Incidents like this are not just done by renters from the DVC board. It could be people staying as Disney guests, people staying as guests of owners or, unbelievably, DVC owners themselves. Ideally, it would be nice to be able to put a stop to all of the bad things people do at resorts. Realistically, Disney is aware of what happens. I'm sure they do try to control it and it is good to bring it to their attention. However, I'm sure the manager sees it as a cost of doing business.

meddam
07-19-2004, 09:31 AM
Sounds like one of the families from my apartment complex. I had to put a sign up that said "Don't massacre the hydrangea" after their children nearly destroyed it. I'm a renter & if I had kids, I'd never let them do this. Sounds like people that were just happy their children weren't bothering them & focusing their destructive attention on something else...:rolleyes:

gopherit
07-19-2004, 09:38 AM
I don't think a " lack of good home-trainin' " is a feature found only in renters. Nor do I believe making someone pay more will suddenly instill a conscience in them. In fact, it may well do the opposite -- it may provide the ill-mannered with the excuse that "I paid x amount for this, so by golly, I can do as I please..."

THe real answer to this, sadly, won't be found in any rental price increase or upping of dues. It's a societal problem, and it's fed by media shows wherein people behave badly and other people watch them do it for entertainment. Kids are the little sponges that pick up that behavior faster than anyone. The neglect of the parents to correct bad or destructive behavior is again not a flaw exclusive to renters, and becoming a DVC member won't make the lazy parent suddenly motivated.

Just as a rose by any other name is still a rose, so too a skunk, be it a renting skunk or member skunk -- is a real stinker. Glad you at least reported those skunks to the BWV mgmt.
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MelissathePooh
07-19-2004, 09:53 AM
trash like this family

wow it is a shame that people you look down on were able to stay in such a fancy time share

CarolMN
07-19-2004, 10:17 AM
Sorry to hear about this incident. Too bad the parents were not properly supervising these children. (Sometimes, even the best kids make mistakes, so I'm unwilling to say that the parents are bad based on just one report).

I hope the manager took care of the problem by charging the parents whatever it cost to repair the damage.

I do not consider these type of incidents the "cost of doing business". They should be considered the "cost of not supervising your children" and the parents should be held accountable for the results - not Disney/DVC and not BWV owners!

Patty3
07-19-2004, 10:24 AM
It is sad hearing about this damage. I also believe it is the responsibility of the parents to watch their children and teach them to respect others property. I wonder how much damage they do in their own neighborhood, I am just glad they do not live next to me!

DebbieB
07-19-2004, 12:38 PM
The problem is unless a cast member witnessed it, they probably will not pursue it. The family will probably deny it if confronted. Since it was in a common area, it would be hard to prove who destroyed it. I doubt the manager even followed up.

I don't follow what the cost of renting has to do with it. Only poorer people have children who misbehave?

Lesley
07-19-2004, 12:50 PM
there are trashy people at all income levels....those who rent out points (including Disney) really can't know enough about their customers to prevent this sort of thing.

Also I'm not willing to villify these folks....unless the parents were watching and encouraging or ignoring the behavior.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 01:03 PM
***"Please lets consider raising our rental prices."***

Look at the OP's post count. How would he/she know where the points were rented & how much they paid ?

This thread has nothing to do with "dEstruction" of property ,( I doubt the dEstruction ever took place).

Terry S
07-19-2004, 01:30 PM
KNWVIKING.... I agree with you completely, this is just another one of those lets raise our rental price threads. It sounds mysteriously like someone else I know??? Anyone, Anyone, Bueller?

It is just totally absured to imply that if rental prices were raised that a more well mannered better class of people would be renting points. Hello????

OneMoreTry
07-19-2004, 01:33 PM
What would the OP's post count have to do with anything? Are people idiots if they haven't posted on the DIS before?

I am curious, however, to know how the OP knew this family was renting points from a DISer.


I could see my boys doing this during one of their testosterone-surge moments. If they did, I would march them to the manager and make them pay for the damage.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 01:38 PM
It's the history of this type of thread. A relatively unknown poster with a very low post count will come on our board looking for our support to raise renting prices. Chances are, this poster is just an alias for a poster we are all very well aware of. We've seen this too many times.

Terry S
07-19-2004, 01:39 PM
A post count starts a zero when a person signs on as a new user, this does not necessarily mean that it is a person who has never been on the DIS before, just a user ID that has not been on the DIS before, possibly a person who may not want others to know who that person is! So I do not beleive KNWVIKING was implying that this person was an idiot because they had not posted on the DIS before!

Zimbubba
07-19-2004, 02:12 PM
Cast members will not address issues like this directly. We brough a cast member over to witness a group of people smoking in an non smoking area and they directly told us they would not address the issue. I bet the same thing happens here.

PamOKW
07-19-2004, 02:14 PM
Hitting "search" on a thread brings up that person's previous posts. This person splits their time between the DVC and DVC Rent/Trade Board.

Not sure either how they knew who this family was and how much they paid.....

Price paid has little to do with class of folks. I've found chances of an older person being offered a seat on a crowded WDW bus to be almost guaranteed on the CBR bus and almost nil on the DVC/Deluxe Resort buses. That would seem to suggest folks paying less are better mannered. Of course, a lot of wealthy folks don't want to spend the money on a luxury resort and other folks go into hock to do so when they can't even pay their bills at home. Wide generlizations are pretty much impossible to make.

I agree that Disney should be charging folks for damage whenever they can. However, we've seen they are not quick to tell the guest they are "wrong". Some folks could actually turn this situation around on Disney and claim their children were endangered by the planters. ;)

Pa@okw95
07-19-2004, 02:16 PM
I am affraid this is the way things are these days. It is not just at BW or WDW but everywhere. There are too many sick kids out there. As for the matter of renting, I believe you are not getting the price you should for the rental of points at the going rate. They should be somewhere near the rate of the room minus any discounts they can get, and may be just a little less. 10 to 12 dollars a point is a joke. If there were some system to rent points that was full proof no one would bother being a member, why own when you can rent at give away prices.

BostonDisneyKid
07-19-2004, 02:45 PM
I say we imprison the parents and cane the children.

Seriously - if you want to curb this type of issue - make the renter responsible for the damages. Maybe they will think twice before renting their home (and ours) to someone they don't know and/or trust. I know I wouldn't offer my everyday home to someone I met online without being able to do a thorough background check and knowing who and what they were all about. So I don't think I would rent my "home away from home" in that manner either as I treat it with as much respect I do my regular home. If the renter were held liable they can go after the "rentee" (not even a word but it sounds good) for the damages after the fact and they can incur the costs of doing so.

As for renting/price - why beat a dead horse... do what you like with your points but please don't tell me what to do with mine.

10gigi
07-19-2004, 04:55 PM
What do you mean how do I know!!! I asked! I am completely disappointed in some of these reponses. I asked the front desk if it was an owner staying and the name of the person staying was different from the owner. They stated it was either renters or family. The manager also stated if it was family do you think they would distroy families property!! Wow! I am shocked, I really thought people who put their money into something would care more!!! I guess I was wrong!!!! I never said I looked down on anyone! I also never stated they were rich or poor!!! We really have a lot of people with issues on this board. Term meaning trash is that the kids destroyed property and when parents were confronted they just laughed and said they didn't care!!!! Thats what I consider trash!!!!! People who destroy things that don't belong to them and laugh about it as if its a joke!!!! I spend thousands of dollars a year to have a family trips to Disney I want my resort kept up nicely!!!!! Shame on any of you who responded in a negative manner!!!!!
WOW

10gigi
07-19-2004, 04:55 PM
What do you mean how do I know!!! I asked! I am completely disappointed in some of these reponses. I asked the front desk if it was an owner staying and the name of the person staying was different from the owner. They stated it was either renters or family. The manager also stated if it was family do you think they would distroy families property!! Wow! I am shocked, I really thought people who put their money into something would care more!!! I guess I was wrong!!!! I never said I looked down on anyone! I also never stated they were rich or poor!!! We really have a lot of people with issues on this board. Term meaning trash is that the kids destroyed property and when parents were confronted they just laughed and said they didn't care!!!! Thats what I consider trash!!!!! People who destroy things that don't belong to them and laugh about it as if its a joke!!!! I spend thousands of dollars a year to have a family trips to Disney I want my resort kept up nicely!!!!! Shame on any of you who responded in a negative manner!!!!!
WOW

Disney1fan2002
07-19-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by KNWVIKING
***"Please lets consider raising our rental prices."***

Look at the OP's post count. How would he/she know where the points were rented & how much they paid ?

This thread has nothing to do with "dEstruction" of property ,( I doubt the dEstruction ever took place).

Thank you! That was the first thing I thought of. This is just a thread to get us to rally upping the price of points.

I wondered, if the OP knew that the two families were renters, and WHO they rented FROM, the OP must of had some communication with one or both families. Why not march the kids to the parents themselves, and speak to the parents directly?

Oh and BTW, to the OP...I am sorry but in my opinion, we owners can rent for as much as we want, it is what the renter is willing to PAY. I tried to cash in on some points, and thought I would see what happened if I offered my points at $11/points. I eventually lowered it to $10. Why would someone pay ME $11 when they can pay someone else $10 or LESS? You will never get a universal price on rentals. You have some people who feel $10/point is more than enough, and some others who even thing $7/point is more than enough. But overall, right now the market is justifying the $10/point and it doesn't seem like it will change in the near future....so GIVE UP already, please!

spiceycat
07-19-2004, 05:13 PM
10gigi
go back and reread your first post - you are implying that people with more money would not act in this manner - when just about the opposite is true in real life (well mind anyway).

the people with money I know act like someone should pick up after them.....they shouldn't be treated like everyone else.....

if this is just a post to get people to up what they are renting - not gonna happen here - you can always rent through your local papers and charge more.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 05:14 PM
***"I asked the front desk if it was an owner staying and the name of the person staying was different from the owner. They stated it was either renters or family. "***

Honestly, I don't believe you. The front desk would not give out this kind of info.

You blew your cover when the last line of your topic was basically "let's raise those points prices".

If I offend you....put me on your ignore list.

crisi
07-19-2004, 05:16 PM
That is shocking! Shocking that the front desk would tell you who was in that room, if they were a member and if the names matched!

I have a little experience with hotel management, and the front desk staff rules I am familar with would get the person giving you that information fired. Terrible breech of privacy.

10gigi
07-19-2004, 05:21 PM
I guess I am on the wrong board! I can't not believe these comments. I will not be posting anymore with this type of attitude. I just feel that if the price is more then maybe people would care more. Rent your points out for a dollar for all I care. There are some real wacked people on this board!!! To all of you who really understood what my point was, Thank you. The rest of you, deal with your issues and stop trying to put your issues on someone else who really cares about DVC.
Good Bye

Sorry but they did tell me they were owners and they did say it was not the name of the owner staying!!! You are so wacked!!!! Get a life!!!!! GEt a life!!!!!

Disney1fan2002
07-19-2004, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
What do you mean how do I know!!! I asked! I am completely disappointed in some of these reponses. I asked the front desk if it was an owner staying and the name of the person staying was different from the owner. They stated it was either renters or family. The manager also stated if it was family do you think they would distroy families property!! Wow! I am shocked, I really thought people who put their money into something would care more!!! I guess I was wrong!!!! I never said I looked down on anyone! I also never stated they were rich or poor!!! We really have a lot of people with issues on this board. Term meaning trash is that the kids destroyed property and when parents were confronted they just laughed and said they didn't care!!!! Thats what I consider trash!!!!! People who destroy things that don't belong to them and laugh about it as if its a joke!!!! I spend thousands of dollars a year to have a family trips to Disney I want my resort kept up nicely!!!!! Shame on any of you who responded in a negative manner!!!!!
WOW

I think the question is..how do you know the people are renting from someone from this BOARD? Not only is it quite unlikely that any CM would give out info informing YOU as to the arrangements other owners have made with their points (i.e, are they the actuall owners staying in the resort, or someone else) but are you also saying that they told you it was friends or family, then told you the name of the owner and that they were regular posters on the DIS DVC board? WOW! All this because you witnessed a couple of kids make a mess with a plant.

Also, you never said in your original OP that the parents laughed when they were confronted.

Another also, the manager actually SAYING "if it were family ,do you really think they would destroy property" LMAO!!!! Oh I am sure as a manager of a resort as big as BCV, that manager sees ALOT of destruction, so you are saying he believes it is all coming from renters????

That's it.....I demand we all stop renting and/or gifting our points out. The only people allowed to stay on DVC property should be DVC owners themselves! No OUTSIDERS. They destroy things.

I am very scared to think that anybody could walk up to the front desk and ask a CM if the family staying in room 429 are the actual owners or a renter.....WOWSA.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 05:24 PM
..... miss ya already.

Wonder what name you'll post under next.

leanne2255
07-19-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by KNWVIKING
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Honestly, I don't believe you. The front desk would not give out this kind of info.

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I absolutely agree. The front desk NEVER gives out that kind of info. And so what if the names did not match. This would not necessarily mean that these people were not related.

Something is not quite right here. The story is just a bit too far fetched for me to believe.

10gigi
07-19-2004, 05:28 PM
I am not telling a lie!!!! This is true!!! Why are there so many wacked people on this board!!!!!!!!!!!
I never implied people with money wouldn't do this.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 05:29 PM
I thought you weren't ever posting on this board again ?

I thought you went byebye ?

Pa@okw95
07-19-2004, 05:32 PM
There are people with some real problems on this board and it came out on this thread! Some real big leaps were made by some small minds here on this thread!! I have seen it before.

10gigi
07-19-2004, 05:34 PM
You have real problems in life!!! Something is missing in your life that you have to be so negative to someone you don't even know!!! I do not lie and I do not care for your rude statements!! This happened and I really don't care for your attitude. People like you bring DVC a bad name!!! Please sell your points and move on with you troubled life!!!!!

lovwdwalot
07-19-2004, 05:38 PM
Can't we all just get along?!:teeth: :p :sunny: :hyper: :wave2: :yo-yo: :chat:

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 05:40 PM
Click the "profile" button under my name......

Scroll to the bottom of the page.....

Click the "ignore this poster"......

MrShiny
07-19-2004, 05:53 PM
I'm sorry, but for anyone on the fence on this issue, let's just look at that first post:

I am still very upset because everytime someone rents to trash like this family, the Boardwalk or other DVC resorts will be distroyed.(sic)

Trash? The obvious connotation here is "white trash" or "trailer trash" (which is very unfair to most trailer home owners, imho). The author seems to be implying that the people renting were of "lesser" economic standing. At a minimum of $8-10/point, it's hard to imagine that. There are still much cheaper properties around. I've stayed at the All Stars several times (where, yes, the median family income is probably less than DVC resorts) and haven't seen this sort of behavior.


This also makes our maintance fees go up. I really think we are renting our resorts out way to cheap.

Here the author reveals the point of the argument - to justify a general increase in the rental value of points.

These two famlies didn't even care about their sons distroying (sic) our property.

As others have mentioned, I think it would be fair to say that more wealthy families would be more apt to this behavior. After all, if caught they can easily pay for the plants.

These families rented from someone on this board.

This is where the author really stretches pausibility. There is no possible way they could know this without breaching hotel security policies. And even then, they would have to know the names of people who rent out on this board and hope there wasn't another DVC member with the same name!

Please lets consider raising our rental prices.
Still very upset!!!!

Restating the argument - i.e. I want to rent my points for more.

I asked the front desk and it was an owner who made reservations but the name was different from the owner! So it was either a family member or a renter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either a family member or a renter? Wait a minute - didn't they rent "from somone on this board"? One should try to keep their story straight at least until it's over.

My opinion, this is merely a troll. I suppose it might be said that it is a troll better than most - a troll with a purpose (other than drawing flames). This troll wants to increase the market value of the points she or he holds.

Unfortunately, the reasons given do not even justify that action in the least.

Dancind
07-19-2004, 06:05 PM
For further information, see this thread:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=4474281#post4474281

FutureWasYesterday
07-19-2004, 06:45 PM
I really dont know anyone on this board personally, but it is fairly obvious that the OP has ulterior motives and its pretty pathetic

manning
07-19-2004, 07:01 PM
***-u-me. Forgot about the filter. the word is assume and I wasn't trying to be off color, just making a point. My apologies.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions are being made. I don't know who is right.

One thing I know is when I posted something that was verifiable I got the " I looked at the number of posts he had and it was low and thought he was causing trouble until I researched it."

Folks take another look at that first word. There is a lot of it taking place on this thread.

When you point a finger at someone, remember there are three more pointing back at you.

By the way isn't there a rule about personal attacks??

Sammie
07-19-2004, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by crisi
That is shocking! Shocking that the front desk would tell you who was in that room, if they were a member and if the names matched!

I have a little experience with hotel management, and the front desk staff rules I am familar with would get the person giving you that information fired. Terrible breech of privacy.

In all fairness to Disney Front Desk employees, please do not believe that this is Disney Policy.

I am sorry I usually don't come out and say that what someone has posted is not accurate, but I truely do not believe this information was shared.

If it did happen the CM would be fired at Disney also.

Raising points rented will not stop idiotic behavior anymore than Disney raising room rates. Idiots will be there regardless of the cost. So mute point in hoping that raising the cost of points rented will change behaviors. Just not going to happen.

Basically whether one thinks renting is good for DVC is really mute also as long as Disney allows it. Anyone can ask what they want for their points. As to controlling the market price, well gee wouldn't it be nice if that was the way life was. I could go to Auto Trader, and ask what I wanted for my car and then ask everyone else not to sell something similar for less. I really don't think that is going to happen. Just as people are not going to be able to control what others rent their points for by discussing it here.

Also trying to imply that destructive behavior is directly related to a certain price for rented DVC points is laughable. I don't think anyone here will buy that one. I think you can post you hate to see destructive behavior at DVC resorts and you wish DVC would do something to be proactive in preventing this. You can also post you wish you could get more for your rented DVC points. But you can't tie the two together and be believeable.

mel&me
07-19-2004, 07:11 PM
My opinion, This thread should be closed!!!!!

kathleena
07-19-2004, 07:13 PM
Alrighty then..................:scratchin

Dean
07-19-2004, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
What do you mean how do I know!!! I asked! I am completely disappointed in some of these reponses. I asked the front desk if it was an owner staying and the name of the person staying was different from the owner. They stated it was either renters or family. The manager also stated if it was family do you think they would distroy families property!! Wow! I am shocked, I really thought people who put their money into something would care more!!! I guess I was wrong!!!! I never said I looked down on anyone! I also never stated they were rich or poor!!! We really have a lot of people with issues on this board. Term meaning trash is that the kids destroyed property and when parents were confronted they just laughed and said they didn't care!!!! Thats what I consider trash!!!!! People who destroy things that don't belong to them and laugh about it as if its a joke!!!! I spend thousands of dollars a year to have a family trips to Disney I want my resort kept up nicely!!!!! Shame on any of you who responded in a negative manner!!!!!
WOW I think all of use care what happens and would be happy if others try to prevent these type of things from happening. Still, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that owners do any better than renters or guests. From a usage standpoint, owners really are just renters, no different than one who rents a car from a rental company for a week.

IF the manager gave out pesonal info, that is wrong. If they made a general comment that the name was different than the owner, this has no meaning. There are many guests and family what would have different names. I sincerely doubt that the resort even has the info about anyone being a renter, even if MS knew it. And even if they were renters, it sounds like you were assuming they rented from this board, which may or may not be true. But as several pointed out, sometimes kids do things and sometimes parents don't control their kids. This is true for all classes of people and owners as well as non owenrs (renters, guests, cash to Disney).

mickeymouse1520
07-19-2004, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by FutureWasYesterday
I really dont know anyone on this board personally, but it is fairly obvious that the OP has ulterior motives and its pretty pathetic

I agree with both statements above 100%.

Desperado
07-19-2004, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by Dean
Still, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that owners do any better than renters or guests.
Have you ever or known anyone to take a rental car and get it waxed and detailed? Ever done that to your own car? Some common sense does apply regarding the degree renters are concerned about the future or the resort and mantenance costs as opposed to owners.

I'm not saying that in support of the original poster's contentions, just that owners do have a greater vested interest in the longevity of thier resort. It's silly to declare otherwise IMHO.

Johnnie Fedora
07-19-2004, 07:42 PM
In summary:

Should all resort guests treat the property with respect?
Could a resort front desk give out inappropriate information?
Are rented points to cheap at $10 each?
Could a poster be lying?
Could a poster be telling the truth?
Are there lots of hidden (and not so hidden) agendas here?

yes...yes...yes...yes...yes and YES.;)

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 07:50 PM
I am very scared to think that anybody could walk up to the front desk and ask a CM if the family staying in room 429 are the actual owners or a renter.....WOWSA.

Yep, count me in on that one. I doubt that information was given, however. And, it is a stretch of great magnitude to state so firmly that they were rented from this board.
The OP is failing my "smell" test.

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
I guess I am on the wrong board! I can't not believe these comments. I will not be posting anymore with this type of attitude. I just feel that if the price is more then maybe people would care more. Rent your points out for a dollar for all I care. There are some real wacked people on this board!!! To all of you who really understood what my point was, Thank you. The rest of you, deal with your issues and stop trying to put your issues on someone else who really cares about DVC.
Good Bye

Sorry but they did tell me they were owners and they did say it was not the name of the owner staying!!! You are so wacked!!!! Get a life!!!!! GEt a life!!!!!

Frankly, I don't believe a word of your original post. I think it is time you build a bridge and get over it.

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 08:00 PM
Has anyone thought it odd that the OP and the person who loves to tell us that we don't charge enough for our points are from the SAME state? Strikes me as odd.

DebbieB
07-19-2004, 08:11 PM
I'm sure a manager would run to a computer to find out if someone whose children destroyed some plants were members or not and would release that information to another guest. And the reservation said they rented from someone on this board. Please :rolleyes:

My first thought originally was that the OP had spoken to this family and they told him/her that they had rented points from the DIS board. But saying the manager released the info is ridiculous. I doubt that information is even in the front desk's computer. MS probably just feeds them the name the reservation is under.

Dean
07-19-2004, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Desperado
Have you ever or known anyone to take a rental car and get it waxed and detailed? Ever done that to your own car? Some common sense does apply regarding the degree renters are concerned about the future or the resort and mantenance costs as opposed to owners.

I'm not saying that in support of the original poster's contentions, just that owners do have a greater vested interest in the longevity of thier resort. It's silly to declare otherwise IMHO. Actually in many ways a DVC "owner" is far closer to someone who rents a car than someone who owns a car or home. It may or may not be that a renter does more damage, just that there's no evidence that we have to say one way or the other. And the idea that one "owns" DVC somehow makes them take better care of a unit they will likely never see again is unlikely to say the least. I doubt even DVC has any info to address this question. And as you and I have talked before, the Manager at Marriott's Grande Ocean in HH didn't think renters were any harder on units there than owners were. Here is the response I received from the THEN manager at Marriott's Grande Ocean whom I know outside his duties as well.We don't have any scientific measures of this data but do have a general "feel" for what we experience. More accurately if I were to generalize, I would breakdown the usage and wear and tear based on the demographics rather than by ownership lines. Families with kids are harder on the villas than couples without. Within those groups we don't really experience a discernable variance in how much wear and tear each group causes. We will have the occasional weekend renters who use their villa as a party headquarters but so too do we experience situations where owners give their young adult kids a villa for a week and the same thing occurs. Because the "price of admission" is pretty high regardless of how you are staying on property, the general case is that people staying at MGO are responsible patrons who are out to enjoy a great vacation and only place normal wear and tear on the resort. The exceptions are there- but are not predominantly any one of owners, renters, or exchange guests etc...

rbuzzotta
07-19-2004, 09:18 PM
I don't agree with anyone trashing any property anywhere!!

What concerns me greatly now is the fact that the OP says he/she is NOT lieing about the front desk CM giving away personal information!!!

I have a teen daughter who will be bringing a friend and we plan to give them some freedom around the resort!! I am very worried now that someone can just walk up to the front desk and find out what room they are in and what their name is and if they are owners?!!!?!?!?!?!? This is disturbing!!

10gigi
07-19-2004, 09:42 PM
I would like everyone on this thread to get off the computer and call Boardwalk and ask if the 2nd floor Boardwalk view Hallway planter box of plants were drestroyed on July 14th, 2004. To all of you who think I am lying to try to get you to increase the amount people charge for rental points shame on you, I thought the people on this board were more intelligent.

P.S. The front desk never gave out room numbers or names. Please read more cafefully next time. I spoke with two people at the front desk reguarding this issue.

kingj
07-19-2004, 09:51 PM
Maybe, if people were charged a fee to participate on the DisBoards, spelling would improve also. "Distroyed"? Unless, of course this is just a play on words.

Just a thought.

Dean
07-19-2004, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
I would like everyone on this thread to get off the computer and call Boardwalk and ask if the 2nd floor Boardwalk view Hallway planter box of plants were drestroyed on July 14th, 2004. To all of you who think I am lying to try to get you to increase the amount people charge for rental points shame on you, I thought the people on this board were more intelligent.

P.S. The front desk never gave out room numbers or names. Please read more cafefully next time. I spoke with two people at the front desk reguarding this issue. To what end would we call. If it happened it happened and DVC plus the resort are responsible at this time. I'm curious and you still haven't said that I have seen, how you knew these were renters and specifically how you knew they rented from this board. You implied that either you and/or the manager assumed they were renting since the names were different that the owners. If that's it, your post suggesting this was renters based on assumptions was very flawed at best and extremely inappropriate at worst. I think most guests would report the type of behaviour you mentioned in the OP or at least they should. As for trying to find out about them specifically, that seems like a gross invasion of privacy if that was your goal and far worse than trashing the planters. If the manager just happened to mention it based on your complaint, that is a problem as well but on them and not you.

PamOKW
07-19-2004, 10:16 PM
I don't like to hear that children are destroying the public areas of DVC. I don't think this varies greatly between members, non-members, Disney resort guests, folks passing through, etc., etc.

I trust Disney/DVC management are keeping these incidents under control and will get restitution in any case that they can.

I am far more disturbed that a front desk employee would share any information whatsoever about a guest with someone who walks up to the desk and inquires. I didn't realize that the front desk notes that the transaction was done through the DIS -- do they also have a notation for E-Bay?

I would also warn the original poster against directly addressing or reprimanding small children. You may find some children are instructed to scream bloody murder whenever a stranger speaks to them in a public place. You might find yourself explaining to management why you were bothering the children. You might also want to think carefully about directly confronting the parents as well. The best advice is to report problems to management and let them handle it.

If you'd like a discussion about raising the rental price then have that discussion. If you'd like to discuss how DVC manages the cost of damage that's another topic. I fail to see how the two are related. If we follow the original posters assumption that owners treat the property better than people who rent .... the discussion should be how do we stop rentals? I fail to see how charging more for a rental would guarantee the damage would stop. I kind of doubt if we had only members staying in the resort that we wouldn't continue to see incidents like the one described.

Call and ask if the planters were damaged on Day X? You have got to be kidding!!!! ;)

In the case of a family reunion, a married daughter and her family would most likely have a different last name from her parents who are the DVC owners. There are lots of cases where DVC family could be in the resort staying in different villas with different names on the reservations. That's not proof of a cash rental.

tjkraz
07-19-2004, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
To all of you who think I am lying to try to get you to increase the amount people charge for rental points shame on you, I thought the people on this board were more intelligent.


Like it or not, whenever you post here, you open yourself up to criticism.

Giving the benefit of the doubt that there is actually some truth to be found here, you could have just posted the fact that you witnessed the (alleged) vandalism and brought it to management's attention. More likely than not, you would have been praised a dozen times over for those actions.

However, YOU chose to turn this into a point rental issue. YOU decided to refer to the people involved as "trash". And YOU chose to post a pretty far-fetched story about how the front desk figured out which room these people were in and that they were staying on rented points AND that the points were rented from these boards. :rolleyes:

Even if (and that's a BIG "IF") every word of your post is correct, you made a horrible mistake by using this as a platform for again advocating an increase in point rental prices. It didn't take long for people to drag out your prior posts condoning higher rental prices. All this did is throw gasoline on the fire.

Personally, I'll stop short of calling you a liar. SOME parts of the story probably contain an element of truth. But undeniable that you had your own agenda for posting in the first place. Take it somewhere else.

ripleysmom
07-19-2004, 10:19 PM
I don't believe the OP either. If you can satisfactorily answer my questions though I will reconsider....


"These families rented from someone on this board."

You know this how?


"Please lets consider raising our rental prices.
Still very upset!!!!"

If you raise the price of the points all that will happen is that those renters will go to the value resorts or the maybe the mods. You think that the people with money are going to want to rent points? If they are not already renting, they are not going to.


"I asked the front desk and it was an owner who made reservations but the name was different from the owner! So it was either a family member or a renter!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You know this how? Also how quickly did you ask for the manager to report the CM who gave you this information? If a CM gave me that information I would want them to be reprimanded.

nuts
07-19-2004, 10:30 PM
Man, thanks for the fun! Reading these posts the last 30 minutes has been a huge stress releaser for me (laughing so hard). I have to admit, it smells like a troll...but who knows. :jester:

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 10:34 PM
... acts like a troll and posts like a troll, it probably is a ............

TiggerFreak
07-19-2004, 10:41 PM
Did the "Trash" also hang their laundry out to dry on the balcony rails?

This thread is a hoot.

I can practically see the OP frothing at the mouth!

Coming soon to a theatre near you: Attack of the Trashy Renters

Run for your lives.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaa.............

Dreamfinder2
07-19-2004, 11:02 PM
"... poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. ... " Macbeth, Scene V

What say we give this one a rest? I don't know whether to laugh, or cry, or run screaming into the night.

KNWVIKING
07-19-2004, 11:09 PM
...... but stay tuned, he/she will be back in about a month with the same agenda.

TTFN

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
I would like everyone on this thread to get off the computer and call Boardwalk and ask if the 2nd floor Boardwalk view Hallway planter box of plants were drestroyed on July 14th, 2004. To all of you who think I am lying to try to get you to increase the amount people charge for rental points shame on you, I thought the people on this board were more intelligent.

P.S. The front desk never gave out room numbers or names. Please read more cafefully next time. I spoke with two people at the front desk reguarding this issue.

to waste my time calling (and I don't need to get off the computer to do this as I do have DSL) would give creedence to your story and I, sorry, don't.

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
I would like everyone on this thread to get off the computer and call Boardwalk and ask if the 2nd floor Boardwalk view Hallway planter box of plants were drestroyed on July 14th, 2004. To all of you who think I am lying to try to get you to increase the amount people charge for rental points shame on you, I thought the people on this board were more intelligent.

P.S. The front desk never gave out room numbers or names. Please read more cafefully next time. I spoke with two people at the front desk reguarding this issue.

We are, that is why we don't believe you.

PamOKW
07-19-2004, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
P.S. The front desk never gave out room numbers or names. Please read more cafefully next time. I spoke with two people at the front desk reguarding this issue.

The ONLY acceptable response would be -- "Sorry, we do not give out any information on our guests."

GAIL HAYDEN
07-19-2004, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Dreamfinder2
"... poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. ... " Macbeth, Scene V

What say we give this one a rest? I don't know whether to laugh, or cry, or run screaming into the night.

Perfect quote!!!!

ClarabelleCow
07-19-2004, 11:27 PM
Well, for all naysayers, my hopefully soon to be ex sister in law, hunted us down and was able to find us!!! She just new we were on the grounds at a DVC resort, and the persuasive little troll she is was able to find a CM that would let her know what DVC resort we were at!!! Luckily we were not in the room when she called, but they told her what DVC we were at, verified that we were there, but luckily not the room number!!!

Though the OP's thoughts are a little out there. thinking raising points would solve problems, I do think this probably did happen.

offtheice
07-19-2004, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
Just returned home from Boardwalk. My family had a wonderful time like always but, I was very upset with two families that rented from someone on this board. They were on the 2nd floor and two of the children ages 8-11 distroyed the planters and plants in the hallway. I caught them ripping apart the plants. I spoke with them firmly and spoke with the manager as well. I asked that they speak to the parents again and do something about the distruction of property. They assured me they would take care of the problem. I am still very upset because everytime someone rents to trash like this family, the Boardwalk or other DVC resorts will be distroyed. This also makes our maintance fees go up. I really think we are renting our resorts out way to cheap. These two famlies didn't even care about their sons distroying our property. These families rented from someone on this board. Please lets consider raising our rental prices. :Pinkbounc
Still very upset!!!!

I asked the front desk and it was an owner who made reservations but the name was different from the owner! So it was either a family member or a renter!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry , you need a life. To get upset over a little incident about stupid flower plants is a complete joke. Hey hitler, kids do this. My god I hate to see the way you grew up. PRobably couldnt cry in that hitler youth movement. I love this board,but sometimes there is some petty crap that is posted here.

gazeborob
07-19-2004, 11:38 PM
Perhaps the OP knows they were renters because they had something to do with renting the points?

offtheice
07-19-2004, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by 10gigi
I guess I am on the wrong board! I can't not believe these comments. I will not be posting anymore with this type of attitude. I just feel that if the price is more then maybe people would care more. Rent your points out for a dollar for all I care. There are some real wacked people on this board!!! To all of you who really understood what my point was, Thank you. The rest of you, deal with your issues and stop trying to put your issues on someone else who really cares about DVC.
Good Bye

Sorry but they did tell me they were owners and they did say it was not the name of the owner staying!!! You are so wacked!!!! Get a life!!!!! GEt a life!!!!!

Hey ace you been prove a fraud. Move on . You talk about getting a life. Maybe you need to take that advice.. There is no way the front desk gave you any info . The hitler youth movement is on a different board.

manning
07-19-2004, 11:53 PM
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CarolAnnC
07-19-2004, 11:57 PM
Too many DIS Posting Guidelines infractions to even mention here. Visit our Rental Concerns thread if you wish to discuss the issue...within guidelines of course.