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jtopicz1
12-20-2000, 09:18 AM
Well, there hasn't been too much to talk about lately, but i'm sure everyone will have an opinion on this. What do you think is Universal Orlando's biggest flaw or worst feature?

I would have to say the only thing I find to really annoy me about Universal Orlando, is the lack of expansion within IOA. IOA is my favorite park and every ride and show rates highly in my opinion, however there simply is not enough to do to make the park worthy of a two day stay. Opening Storm Force and the Flying Unicorn definatly helped, but another major attraction or two would really help.

Below I have listed some common complaints that come up on these boards.

apanopio
12-20-2000, 09:40 AM
I would like to see a parade or fireworks/laser light show at either park. Also, I would like to see some more movie magic-audience participation shows at the Studios, like Hercules/Xena.

cotye
12-20-2000, 09:49 AM
By some strange act of coincidenc, whenever I go to USF, Jaws is always down. The first time I went in 1990, it was closed cause it wasn't ready. Rumour was that they had to do some major overhaul. In 1993, I think it still wasn't open (not sure). 1995, finally got to go on it once. 2000, down again. Geez, this ride doesn't like me!! LOL...

Other than that US, has been pretty good.

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Quentin Disney
12-20-2000, 01:29 PM
If their is one thing that must be improved is the way UO does its character greetings. Unorganized lines is one thing, but having to pay to get a picture with the Grinch is something I don't approve.

Funny you mentioned Jaws cotye. The last time I went to USF, Jaws was under a rehab!

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degenerationxwwfwdw1
12-20-2000, 02:28 PM
Well my vote for Universal's biggest flaw would have to be all of Universal Studios Flordia (except for MIB, Twister, and T2-3D). I know everyone knows I can make a post without bashing USF! ;) I do enjoy IOA and those three rides. I like that they have came up with Fast Track but I think I like the way Disney does it better. The line to get one can be REALLY long. I also didnt like the fast food resturants at UO as good as WDW's. But that really isnt a big deal. But as you know with me for every negative that has to be a positive. I enjoy the themeing at IOA. And the singles lines (if they only had them all the time!) and Express.

"Why would you waste your time with USF when you could go to WDW or IOA!"

Bork
12-20-2000, 02:58 PM
I agree about IOA needing more to do. This is especially true if you don't want to get soaked. We went in November when it's not quite as warm. We didn't want to get totally soaked, but that really limited our choices at IOA. We barely spent a day there (We left and rode MIB about 20 times before closing)

The rides are great, they just need more of them (preferably without water).

Jane E.
12-20-2000, 03:21 PM
I dislike the long walk from the parking garage thru Citywalk to the parks. I loved it when we used to be able to park right in front of Universal and go right in. Its too bad they didn't plan the use of trams to transport people. For now, we use the valet parking.

minijeanie
12-20-2000, 05:11 PM
I am in agreement with the other DIS fan who says they need a parade or some sort of hoopla. That small rendition with Popeye, Beetle Bailey, Olive Oyle, et el. just starts to get me in the spirit of things. They need a major parade or night show. Other than that I love both parks. Lucky for me the 4 times I've been there, Jaws was up and running.


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WebmasterBarry
12-20-2000, 06:39 PM
Actually, Universal does have parades. IOA has a Marvel Super Hero Parade daily. USF has parades during Mardi Gras and Halloween Horror Nights.

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Margie J
12-20-2000, 08:04 PM
I have three gripes:

Long lines at attractions - It just seems that every time I'm at USF/IoA, even at "slow" times of the year, the lines are so long. Maybe it's a ride loading problem, don't know.

Alcohol served while you are in line - I know when it's hot and the line is long that many people would love a "cold one" but Hello, there are kids around. I'm not anti-alcohol (I just finished a glass of wine) but I find there is too much alcohol served here, especially USF.

Rude Guests - I find most of the workers fine but some of the guests are another story. Maybe it's related to the alcohol use, don't know. However, rude guests = rude employees, IMO.

NHLFAN
12-20-2000, 09:35 PM
I also agree with the other posts...The walk from the parking to IOA/USF or back is way too long.
Maybe they should hand out 3D glasses and enclose the walkway and feature some cool 3D effects to pass the time and then you just deposit the glasses into a barrel at the end.
PS...The Travel Channel tonight (12/20/00) rated USF/IOA the #1 theme park in the World!

Loric
12-20-2000, 09:55 PM
I always found the walk interesting.. from the appropriate music played depending on your parking level, to the lively music that is played as you continue further. I just chat with my family/friends, look around (there tends to be some stuff to see) and just spend all my time too busy being excited about being there instead of wondering how long the walk is. Once i'm into CityWalk i have zero complaints.. You spend all day walking around the park, which i think it bigger, but you can't handle a tromp from the parking lot? A good idea might be to add some itneractive art or something, like they have at some airports.. it is a bit barren looking. I remember a giant hourglass in the circular area once, that was cool and all, it was counting down to IOA's opening.. I'm almost always parked in JP or Kong, not sure why.. I guess i like it, it's better than Epcot's parking from what i remember, and whenever i went to a park with a tram it'd always be leaving jsut as i showed up so i ended up walking anyways..
-Rob

laksirvak6
12-21-2000, 07:39 AM
ok the walk from Terminator 2:3D and back to the future is way to long they should have something inbetweeen there worth riding!! I walked through here in pouring rain in a poncho! My brother wasn't as lucky, he got soaked and had to walk ALLL THAT way to MIB in the rain. He smelt funny afterward! :eek:

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DEE DEE
12-21-2000, 09:59 AM
How sad Universal does not want to make it convenient for all of their guests by providing
transportation to all of their guests!It kind of
puts a damper on your trip when you have to hoof it long distances in the rain.Or at the end of the day you face that long,long treck back to you car.I hope they wise up or someone else buys them that know what there customers want.

WebmasterBarry
12-21-2000, 10:06 AM
The walk may be long, but it is also under cover. Even with the long walk, I'd rather park at Universal because of the covered parking garage. It beats coming out to a hot car sitting in a parking lot all day!

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Dznefreek
12-22-2000, 02:56 PM
Actually; ET, Animal Actors, Fievel, Woody WoodPecker's Kid Zone are all between T2-3D and BTTF; The Ride.

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swinginevilmike
12-22-2000, 09:02 PM
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Alcohol served while you are in line - I know when it's hot and the line is long that many people would love a "cold one" but Hello, there are kids around. I'm not anti-alcohol (I just finished a glass of wine) but I find there is too much alcohol served here, especially USF.
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I think that might be employees biggest concern too. I have dealt with too many intoxicated individuals especially at HHN's and they sometimes become violent when you tell them they can't do something stupid like jump up and down on the delorean car displayed at the front of BTTF the ride...I could go on for days about the stupid things people do when they drink too much in the parks.It puts guest and employees in danger..

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jonathansullivan
12-24-2000, 06:25 PM
Hi Guys! Please Celebrate my first post with me!!! Ok...on to the news:

My best friend is an athlete nut, and accordingly has a pedometer. Someone earlier recommended a pedometer and stop watch. Here are the results:

In order from Longest to Shortest: (Car Parked Mid Aisle to Tram/Walkway) This assumes you do not walk on Movable sidewalks and that you sit in trams/monorails etc.

Magic Kingdom - 2315ft (1/4 miles) 37 Minutes
IOA - 1802ft 14 Minutes
USF - 1718ft 12 Minutes
Sea World - 1200ft 15 Minutes
Animal Kingdom - 625ft 18 Minutes
MGM Studios - 616ft 15 Minutes
Epcot - 512ft 10 Minutes

Before Everyone Goes and Sounds Off...This is not terribly Scientific. This was done on 3 day on moderately busy days. Don't bother asking for recounts, this was to satisfy my curiousity. It is FYI.

Also in regards to the comment about long attraction lines at USF & IOA...I go at least once a week to Islands and they have the best loading procedures...Lines are not that long (compared to Disney)

Jonathan

WebmasterBarry
12-25-2000, 06:50 AM
Wow, you must have had a long tape measure! :)

Actually, AK's walk seems very long, especially to the WDW buses!

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jonathansullivan
12-26-2000, 01:53 PM
It really is a walk to AK busses (MGM's too)

Remember that info prev post was based on walking from a parking space.

Personally, I think the best parking lot of all is Epcot. Even with out a tram, it is not all that far to the gate.

Universal from a marketing standpoint is very wise having you walk through Citywalk. Possibility for you to buy more. Or stop and rest and buy a slushi or ice cream cone!

Dznefreek
12-27-2000, 05:00 AM
"Alcohol served while you are in line - I know when it's hot and the line is long that many people would love a "cold one" but Hello, there are kids around. I'm not anti-alcohol (I just finished a glass of wine) but I find there is too much alcohol served here, especially USF."

So. . . . . you never go out to dinner with your kids because there might be alcohol around? You never take your kids to a sporting event because there might be alcohol around? You never go to any parties because. . . . That is a strange statement to make.

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Nan
12-27-2000, 05:19 AM
I'm sure you didn't mean to sound as rude as you did replying regarding alcohol at USF. I have to agree with the person who commented about the amount of alcohol.

Of course, we take our children to restaurants and sporting events - although, several times these experiences have been nearly ruined by unruly, drunk, people yelling, cursing, fighting spilling drinks on us, etc. But, I think of theme parks as being wholesome, family experiences which for us, doesn't include alcohol. Responsible people who can handle drinking and know when to stop are not a problem, but it is always the others that we remember. We didn't have any problem with this at USF/IOA on our trip, but since we were discussing our opinions on what flaws might be, I have to agree with the person who mentioned alcohol. The parks are great, it is hard to find a flaw, but this is the one that comes to mind for me, too.

Loric
12-27-2000, 06:02 AM
Just a reminder.. these are mainly ADULT parks. Not all attractions (most for that matter) are geared towards children. Take a look at the movie offered and then consider their ratings. PG-13 and R ring a bell? It offers children's areas, but i have yet to see beer sold within them. So this is an invalid complaint. Jeeze.. if this and parking is the worst complaint of the day then you all should be praising the park makers.

-Rob (Who's in a bad mood because he keeps hearing dumb complaints..)

JessicaR
12-27-2000, 10:40 AM
I stayed away from this for a while and now feel compelled to post! I just wanted to say that regardless of the topic if there is a venue to complain people will! Personally I had not one complaint with either park. I loved all that comprised the entire experience. You get out of what you put into...I went with great excitement to enjoy my trip and see and do all that I could and felt that walking from park to park through citywalk was all part of the experience. I would not have changed a thing. Yes, this is just my opinion and we all have one.

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gina2000
12-27-2000, 12:09 PM
Personally I think Universal's biggest flaw is that it's located so close to Disney. It's truly a magnificent park that's totally underappreciated in its current location. And that's sad...it deserves alot more positive recognition than it gets. It's not Disney, but hey, it ain't spam either.

Bob O
12-27-2000, 01:21 PM
I just returned recently and had a great time at both parks. I thought the x-mas decorations/christmas feel at the parks was awful compared to wdw, and like larkeup posted the only way to get a decent picture with the grinch was to pay, which i felt was even worse than wdw because at least it easy to get a picture with mickey. I found the food more expensive than wdw and generally not as good. I think IOA needs more attractions/shows and both parks were deserted at night because their is no reason to stay, no parades/fireworks or special activities. Again i loved both parks but feels these areas need to be improved upon if they have any chance to compete with wdw. They have great rides/shows like spiderman/t23d but need to do the little things alot better.

Mr. Toad
12-28-2000, 01:37 PM
For me and my faimly it has to be the long walk to the enterance. The reason why IMO this is it biggest flaw is that we own a high top van with the TV on the top. We are lucky to fit it under most fast food places :) . Since the only place we can park is way in the back near the RVs. So the walk from our car to just the entrance is a very long walk and then we have to walk around the park all day but my kids dont seem to mind that.. :D . Other than the walk for us thats the only flaw I have about Universal.

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iamleia2
12-28-2000, 07:17 PM
Lets see... first of all, I really enjoyed the rides and stuff, especially at IOA so in that respect I have no complaints. But yes, it is a very looonnnggg walk. And our car wasn't in the shade because we had to park on the roof so it was still hot anyway. Not worth the walk. Secondly, see my post entitled "Warning" for my opinion on US unwholesome shows. Thirdly, we had a character lunch at IOA and the servers were completely impatient and crabby and I didn't appreciate it at all. And US is definitely showing some wear and tear there. We also had to wait in line for forever to get on the Spiderman ride. It would break down. Then they'd fix it. Then it'd break down again. Then they'd fix it. What would have been maybe a 45 min. wait turned into an hour and half. Not fun. But other than that... hey, they were great. I really liked the coasters. Specially the Hulk. And Dueling Dragons. I think you need to combine Disney magic and service with IOA rides and you'd have something incredible!

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TammyB
12-28-2000, 07:39 PM
I really hated the long walk from the parking to the parks. But I have to also say that I found the rides at IOA limited. I rode Hulk, Spiderman, and Dueling Dragons but I still found IOA lacking in rides. I really found USF more enjoyable. I haven't had time to organize my thoughts (just return last night after a long ride home, the last 5 in snow and ice) and plan to give my opinions later, but the only ride I really didn't like was Twister. Sorry (to those Twister fans), I have had better winds in my backyard (May'99 and March'00) and my doghouse flew better than the cow. Maybe it was just because of where I live (Oklahoma, 12-0 Big 12 Champs and Orange Bowl Bound). I really enjoyed USF.
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Jennifer Wooster
12-30-2000, 07:54 PM
I have to say that I wished they were open longer. I went over Thanksgiving and Magic Kingdom was open until 11pm or so during the peak times, but Universal closed at 7pm. It would have been nice to stay later. Gotta say that I like how they stagger closing times so the parking isn't too crazy. US was closed at one time and IOA was an hour different. I agree that if these parks weren't close to Dinsey they would get more recognition, but I have to admit I liek them close by. It makes both companies compete and improve. Another plus is that I can go for a whole week of parks and not feel even slightly bored, too many options!

Jenn

taff
12-31-2000, 12:19 PM
Biggest flaw? Don't know.
Long walk? Nope, our family was so thrilled to leave WDW after four days one summer we skipped through the parking lot at USF.

Alcohol a problem? Please, those that have a problem with "knowing when to stop" will have that same "knowing when to stop" problem at all PRO ball parks, ski slopes, beaches and vacation resorts and I take my "wholesome family" to all.

Closing early? that might be an issue, we will be staying at HRH in March, and I didn't realize the parks would close before 9.(went previously, in Aug.)
As of yet no flaw that would make our family go back to WDW, other that to use up some days on our pass.
USF here we come!

Shelly S
12-31-2000, 12:38 PM
I feel the biggest flaw is at IOA. Why do they feel that is necessary to completely soak everyone on the water rides. I don't mind getting a little wet, but who wants to walk around afterwords being totally soaked. I also don't believe that you should have to wear a poncho on a water ride. A ride like Splash Mtn to me is the perfect amount of wetness. After all, IOA is a theme park, not a water park. Other than that, I love both parks and hope they expand more.

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JoannaOhio
12-31-2000, 06:25 PM
I visited IOA for the first time on Dec. 22nd (I think - the days kind of melted together). Anyway, I was disappointed by all the rides and attractions that involved getting wet - especially on that nippy day. I would have loved riding Red Fish, Blue Fish with my granddaughter, but couldn't deal with wet clothes in those temperatures.

Having spent four days at WDW before going to IOA, I could easily make some comparisons about lack of clear signage for entrances -- shortage of pre-show entertainment while waiting in long lines (Disney barely gives you a chance to get bored, even if you wait for quite awhile).

However, my biggest complaint was the rental wheelchairs. I do not need a wheelchair at home, but cannot handle all the walking in the parks. I first got a chair at the station in the US parking garage. The seat and back were some sort of vinyl mesh - and very saggy. The depth of the seat was much shorter than the ones I had rented at WDW. By the time we made it from the parking garage to the park, I knew I couldn't handle sitting in that chair all day.

We stopped at guest services and managed to exchange it for one with a solid vinyl (leather-look) seat and back - which was only minimally better. The seat was still too shallow, and all their chairs are obviously pretty old, with no tread on the tires.

One thing I hadn't considered until we visited SeaWorld on Christmas Day -- (where the rental wheelchairs are the *greatest*!, including large mesh "pockets" on the back) -- was the hardship my daughter had endured while pushing me around IOA. The minute she started pushing me at SeaWorld, she remarked about how much more comfortable their chairs were to push. She said the ones at IOA had shorter and lower handles, and had put a strain on her back to adjust to them.

My other gripe is about Universal's wheelchair rental policy. First of all they charge an extra dollar ($7 instead of $6 at WDW & SeaWorld) - AND - they required a credit or debit card, which they ran through their imprinter, with a charge of $50! deposit - in case the chair wasn't returned to that exact rental desk before leaving the park. Fortunately, I had a debit card with me, but couldn't help but worry that the $50 charge might "accidentally" go through, which would have overdrawn my checking account.

I was relieved when they gave me the imprinted slip when I returned the chair, but it felt like a big insult all the way around. WDW charges $7 when you rent the chair, and hands out a Disney Dollar when you return it. SeaWorld doesn't require any deposit at all, and their chairs were the roomiest, most comfortable of all three parks -- and the mesh pocket on the back was really handy.

Sorry this is so long....

Beejayjay
12-31-2000, 07:05 PM
I think USF will always be in WDW's shadow and undeservedly. In my opinion it is the better park, but Disney has all the history and publicity behind it !

As for the complaints about the walk from the car parks to the actual parks, come on guys ! They can't really be expected to do much better than they have - dont forget when Disney build a new park, they do it on almost totally undeveloped ground - USF is in the middle of a city !

JoannaOhio, I think you are right about the wheelchair issue, the big parks should have this sorted by now. As for the waterbased rides you couldn't do because it was too cold - are we gonna blame the parks for the weather now ?

Even the almighty Disney cannot change the weather - yet ! Florida is usually lovely and hot, so I think you have to just accept that you were a little unlucky on that one !

If USF has one fault, I'd say that, along with the rest of Orlando, it is too far from London, so I cant go as often as I'd like ! :eek:

And yes, that was a joke !

BJJ.

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Molokai Gram
12-31-2000, 08:53 PM
Aloha,

I kept from posting because I know I am in the minority here, but the most valid complaint is that they made IOA in Orlando and that is toooooo far away from me. (Come on Rob, this is my opinion and you have to admit, from my point of view it is valid! ;) )

With jet lag, long flights (not to mention air fare), it has to be really worth it for me to return and I AM!

BJJ, I am sorry, it should be moved farther west for me. Not that I am selfish. Just think if they had developed it here in Hawaii, it would be warm all year long. :D

Universal Hollywood is okay but Universal Studios in Orlando is so much better and IOA!!!

Only other changes I would make would be to have it open later and to again have a nighttime show on the lagoon in US. But I am actually pretty happy with it right now. :)

Aloha.

Beejayjay
01-01-2001, 06:00 PM
No fair dude !! Hawaii is even farther from the UK man !! Self self self !! ;)

I think we should apply pressure on Universal so that the next park is built somewhere it is a little closer for both of us.... how about New York ?? That seems fair to me ! :D

Or better yet how about in our Millennium Dome ?? If ever there was a place that needed a touch of the Universal/Disney magic, that is it ! A $ 1.5 Billion tent ! What a waste !

That way I can drive to my dose of Magic ! Shame about our weather - I think you'd pass away Molokai ! ;)

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DEE DEE
01-01-2001, 09:47 PM
I surely wish that Universal was in my backyard for living on the Gulf Coast it is still a full days drive away.All we get where I live are
Casinos which I cannot stand looking at much less
having them around me all the time.Why could not a wonderful theme park like Universal and IOA be near me instead of in Florida? :rolleyes: ;)

jtopicz1
01-01-2001, 09:58 PM
Universal's distance from me is great. I've got a two hour drive from Clearwater which means it's far enough from home to feel like a getaway, but not far enough to keep me from taking a quick 1 afternoon trip. Perfect distance for a long weekend vacation!

Jim

Ecto
01-02-2001, 11:10 AM
I love the walk to USF! It really sets the mood for entering the parks, with the music and the view. Biggest problems are lack of new rides/age/related wear at USF (not to mention them getting rid of Ghostbusters for that insufferably lame Twister attraction). Also they downsized most of their street performers earlier last year to save a buck, definately downgrades the "experience" aspect of the park. IOA needs more immersion/thmed rides instead of coasters. I live in Maryland and I'm within driving distance of 6 Flags, Busch Gardens and Paramount's Kings Dominion which all feature mostly coasters.
BRING BACK GHOSTBUSTERS!

Chloesmom
02-14-2003, 06:38 PM
Worst thing about Universal is that you can tell it is not Disney..and in a bad way. Last time we went we were yelled at by a woman while we were parking. She was screaming something about handicapped parking...but we had upgraded parking and our section was right next to it ( there were signs). She yelled at us and several other cars. We complained and they said the woman was new. Great way to start a day.
Also, I found IOA....dirty. Best was to describe it. I have never seen Disney just plain dirty looking. One bathroom we used was littered with what had to have been 100 paper towels from the overflowing cans. There was no TP in 4 of the stalls ( the ones that were open:rolleyes: )
The food service was not that great either but I must admit I do not generally care for the counter service places in WDW either
Don't get me wrong. I loved IOA but wished it had friendlier employees and a bigger janitor crew. We are going back this year ( can't get enough of Spiderman!) and hope it is cleaner.

damo
02-14-2003, 07:13 PM
Wow, someone dug hard for this thread! I think it's pretty good if in three years there are only three pages of bad things about Universal!

ChrisFL
02-14-2003, 07:39 PM
Well, since I didn't see this post before and someone felt the need to bring it up... I'll post my thoughts

There are a few things that IOA could have done better, it's not the walking I have no problem with that.

It's rides like Dr. Doom's FearJump (the fall isn't the main part, only very short) and Storm Force.

I think FearFall could have been done with more theming on the ride, with part of the ride enclosed until you reach the top. It wouldn't even have to have a lot of theming inside, just some lighting effects or something similar. Then when you reach the top you'd really be freaked out at how high you are.

Also Storm Force, while a family ride, could also use some more theming, maybe enclosed with a quick storyline before you start moving (Admittedly I've never actually rode it, but watched it a few times.)

I think it would also be cool to have some theming on the lift hill of Dueling Dragons... while still seeing your fellow coaster beside you.

Other than that, there's not too much I have any problem with, except for lack of space to add new attractions in IOA

TreeOfLife
02-14-2003, 08:40 PM
I think USF will always be in WDW's shadow and undeservedly.

Naw... They've come a long way in the last decade, far enough to give Disney a reason to be concerned... Their brillian idea of catering to their guests like no other has helped a lot and will continue to build up the empire as people will want to return... Just give it time.

What is US's biggest flaw? Gee, I never even noticed a little one! Well, I do hate with a passion one thing: BARNEY!

But that can be skipped and the peanuts love dancing and singing along with those characters.

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BonnieA
02-15-2003, 08:13 AM
My only complaint in IOA is that the background music in the Marvel section was WAY TOO LOUD! It gave me a headache but I'm probably overly sensitive.

ProfesserBaxter
02-15-2003, 04:17 PM
Riding water rides and don't want to get wet? That's why it is called a water ride, and not a boat ride, Alcohol is a probelm with employees, they mess up the ques, litter, and lose all self control when "SOME" of the guests are drunk, we wish they would know their limit, cursing guests at employees for reasons that are beyond the employees fault, if I remeber correctly and I do, you could have you're picture taken with the Grinch for free if you had your own camera, the reason they charge you is 1 its a outside company, they work with Kodak, 2 they have supplie fees and also they got to pay their own employees. Original plans to build the rides were so over budget, that it would make the park bankrupet just enclosing storm force, and then there's also the whole land value rises if you add a building not a trailer or a ride with a roof over it but no walls. IOA and USF have alot of room to expand, IOA got space next to Ripsaw and River, Pizza Pred and Unicorn, behind one fish. USF got behind BTTF, ET, and even possibly one of the vacent sound stage. The attractions swept up there areas and then we also have Express workers to swept the islands. Park services tries to have one attendent in each restroom in that area. Park services also changes out the trash cans. Now disney has the same probelms, actually every park has their own faults, but everyone assumes and never really knows whats going on, sometimes you have to work there to see for yourself, how much employees do and put up with from guests.

USO2003
02-15-2003, 05:23 PM
As for alcohol, Disney's been selling it since before Universal was even a Theme Park in Orlando so let's not say Universal it wrong for doing it.

Yes, people get drunk, people get drunk at Disney, they get drunk at Sea World, they get drunk at Universal so it's not just a problem at Universal.

As for walking, is a little walking killing you?

As for water rides being a problem don't ride them.

For everyone else you hate the parks so much don't go anymore.

All Aboard
02-16-2003, 10:56 AM
Biggest problem at IOA - offering giant Sponge Bobs as prizes in The Lost Continent. It ruins otherwise perfect theming.

Biggest problem at USF - the music selection in Amity. It never fails, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is at full volume when I walk through. What's up with that?

USO2003, I'm patiently waiting to hear why I'm wrong and why I should never go to USO anymore. :) It's a discussion board, dude. It's about opinions, the opportunity to share them and the opportunity to discuss them.

damo
02-16-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by USO2003


For everyone else you hate the parks so much don't go anymore.

Do you mean "for everyone else who hate the parks so much, don't go anymore."?

USO2003, I think you need to proofread your posts.

USO2003
02-16-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by damo
Do you mean "for everyone else who hate the parks so much, don't go anymore."?

USO2003, I think you need to proofread your posts.

No, just as I said it, I left out a comma.

"For everyone else, you hate the parks so much don't go anymore."

That is the correct way I should have posted it, sorry for my bad grammar, thanks for pointing it out.

USO2003
02-16-2003, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by gcurling

USO2003, I'm patiently waiting to hear why I'm wrong and why I should never go to USO anymore. :) It's a discussion board, dude. It's about opinions, the opportunity to share them and the opportunity to discuss them.

Well most of the complaints people have are so frivolous, it's just ridiculous. It's too far of a walk, I get too wet on water rides, they shut rides down during thunder storms, they sell alcohol, valet parking sucks, the music sucks, there are long lines, the food sucks, the prices are to high, there are rude guests at the parks, ect, ect, ect.

I love the parks I have no complaints, I hate that Kong is gone but I am not going to complain about it. I have been hurt on rides and I don't complain about it, I have had employees being rude to me, that I complain about.

I guess it's all in your perspective, in mine if you don't like something don't do it, you don't like walking do go to a theme park, don't like waiting in long lines don't go to a theme park, don't like the music playing at a theme park don't go to one, don't like the food at a theme park don't eat it, don't like how expensive it is don't go. That's how I view it, that’s just my opinion/my views. I don't push them on people but you asked why that's why in my view.

People have the right to complain and people have the right to express their views and opinions. I don't want to argue with your thoughts & opinions so I won't. I do just want to say one last thing, when you love Universal as much as me and have a history with Universal like me, and you go as much as me you don't like people bad mouthing it in front of you. That's why I said what I said.

DocBosch
02-16-2003, 03:31 PM
Well, the question is "What is Universal's biggest flaw?"

If somebody says that they feel the walk from the parking garage is too far, or that Universal shouldn't sell booze, they're not complaining, they're just answering the question. It's the one thing that they feel, if different, would make the park even better.

No matter how much you like something, you can always notice flaws in it. It doesn't mean you hate the place, or are never going back, just that there is something that you wish were different. That's what this thread is about, and that's what these people are discussing.

You probably felt that forcing tall guests to sit in the back of BTTF was a flaw, or the way the employees treated you when you were hurt was flawed, or the old faulty lap bars on JP that fractured your ribs were flawed. You could make these negative observations, which you have in the past, without insinuating that you were totally unhappy with the park, or that you would never return. You were just point out something that you felt was inadequet and should be changed within Universal.

If it's a place that you visity often and invest alot in, then it's natural to notice a few negative aspects that, if changed, would make you like the place even more. People are allowed to express their negative opinions about something without wholey discrediting it, especially if it's something they love.

-Kevin

ProfesserBaxter
02-16-2003, 05:22 PM
That's true, its just like living with someone, you are with them so long and get use to them, and the time they make such a little change in their routine you nitpick, on every little thing that theydo.

jeannej
02-16-2003, 05:55 PM
Having just come back from IOA/Universal here are my gripes

1. Would someone turn down the music in Marvel land!
2. More rides and IOA
3. Get ride of ET and put something more technologically advanced there.

Since we didn't encounter lines while we were there I can't complain about that. :)

jeannej

damo
02-16-2003, 08:10 PM
Most of the complaints here are so minor. It's fantastic. Just goes to show how much people love Universal and IOA.

All Aboard
02-17-2003, 12:13 PM
damo, I agree wholeheartedly.

The Sweetness
02-20-2003, 07:24 PM
Doesnt everyone realize that it is cooler in the end of autumn and in winter than it is in the spring and summer? If you want to ride the wet rides them be ready to change after. Esp in cooler weather. MAke use of the available lockers. Ive never done this as im anticipating my first trip to uni, but I can part with $5 for a place to store valuables or wet gear.

USO2003
02-20-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by The Sweetness
Doesnt everyone realize that it is cooler in the end of autumn and in winter than it is in the spring and summer? If you want to ride the wet rides them be ready to change after. Esp in cooler weather. MAke use of the available lockers. Ive never done this as im anticipating my first trip to uni, but I can part with $5 for a place to store valuables or wet gear.

They have free Temp Lockers near all Water Rides where you can store your stuff free for a limited amount of time.

Bilage Rat Barges has pouches on each boat to store your stuff as well so it won't get wet.

I rode it on the 14th and the water was like 50, the poor little kid next to me was shaking, and his brother said "Mom can we go on again?" she said "Look at your brother he is freezing if Daddy wants to go on again with you that's fine." I told the Mom they have those hand dryers in the restroom put him under one of them for a few minutes.

I have some meat on my bones so I am not going to be freezing, but these 2 girls next to me were freezing and were soaked and they had been on twice without getting off. So we were got to the exit and the ride had a 0 minute wait so they asked the employee can we stay on, she told them "Ok, but that's will be the last time then you need to get off and re-enter" I didn't understand that with a 0 minute wait and sending out empty rafts.

Maybe people love being soaked on a cold day?

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sha_lyn
02-21-2003, 11:16 AM
I find all the drunk comments funny since the only place I've encounter people who are drunk is at Epcot.

If you don't want to get wet don't ride a water ride. I find that so funny that people are complaining about getting wet on a water ride.

The only problem I have with Unversal in the managment at the HRH (2 horrible experiences with them, long story), oh and it is a 7hr drive away LOL

Don Karnage
02-21-2003, 01:12 PM
Interesting topic....

Does anyone else consider the 'donut' design of IOA a flaw? (Y'know... a circle without spokes)

I'm am quite sure they have good marketing reasons for deliberately building it this way but, from a guest perspective, I don't find it all that easy to get from one side of the park to the other. I know they have the island skippers (at least I think they still do) but they don't seem to be all that convenient or available.

Not that it will stop IOA from being a personal fav.... but an express path tightly ringing the lagoon would be nice.

To be fair... the same thing applies to World Showcase at Epcot. And MGM is another navigational mess.

daywalker
02-21-2003, 01:43 PM
I love IOA, the only thing I would ask for is the boat that takes you across the lake to come back. It used to go from the Port of Entry to the Jurrasic Park area (I think) it was only there in 1999 as far as I remember? Or maybe it is because I have been going in October since my first visit in December so it only runs during peak season? I dunno. Still, this is not a major compliant & I can't wait to get back :)

ChrisFL
02-21-2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Don Karnage
Interesting topic....

Does anyone else consider the 'donut' design of IOA a flaw? (Y'know... a circle without spokes)

I'm am quite sure they have good marketing reasons for deliberately building it this way but, from a guest perspective, I don't find it all that easy to get from one side of the park to the other. I know they have the island skippers (at least I think they still do) but they don't seem to be all that convenient or available.

Not that it will stop IOA from being a personal fav.... but an express path tightly ringing the lagoon would be nice.

To be fair... the same thing applies to World Showcase at Epcot. And MGM is another navigational mess.

Actually, Busch Gardens is laid out incredibly badly. Most of that is because they built it up slowly over time, but still I'd think they could design at least some walkways to get from one side to the other quickly.

WebmasterBarry
02-22-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by sha_lyn
I find all the drunk comments funny since the only place I've encounter people who are drunk is at Epcot.

That's because beer flows freer at World Showcase than at the other Disney parks. Ever try to find a beer at the Magic Kingdom?

twinmomto3boys
02-22-2003, 01:56 PM
I love Universal. I can't wait until my kids are a little older and taller to enjoy IOA more - they love US already.

sha_lyn
02-22-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Barry Hom
That's because beer flows freer at World Showcase than at the other Disney parks. Ever try to find a beer at the Magic Kingdom?

Sure MK doesn't sell beer but MGM and AK does. I think that the water parks do too. I just find it strange all the talk of alcohol at US/IOA when it is all over most of the WDW parks too.

pgjam
03-02-2003, 10:23 AM
My 17 yr old & I tried Universal & IOA over Pres. Wknd & had a good time. We went first thing Sat. morning & were done by 3:00. I basically followed his lead & he was done by then. The thing they need to work on, in my opinion, is their workers. Since we had never been there we did not know what to do when approaching the rides. It annoys me when I'm standing there ready to board & 2-3 workers are chatting (Guess who got engaged? No! Yes! etc.) At dueling dragons the worker told someone they coulnd't take their back pack on the ride & pointed to the lockers. No explanation. When he went to the lockers there were a number of perplexed people there complaining that they have to pay for a locker to ride the ride. A very helpful 10-yr old explained the procedure to everyone. That should have been the employee's job.
Take some lessons from WDW on customer relations

damo
03-02-2003, 11:45 AM
I guess the parks figured that if a 10 year old could figure it out then most adults should be able to;)
This seems to be a concern with some people although we've never had a problem with employees at either park in our many, many visits and have found them very friendly and approachable.

USO2003
03-02-2003, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by pgjam
Take some lessons from WDW on customer relations

"Mr. Toads Wild Ride will not be closing down dispite the many rumors that it will."

"Horizons will reopen in 1999"

That's good customer relations.

Blueberry
03-07-2003, 08:31 PM
This is not a complaint but a suggestion....Some transport between the two parks would be wonderful. I am fully capable of walking, but for many it is a long hike if they want to visit both parks in one day. A short tram ride, boat ride or some shuttle type would be an excellent addition here for folks who need it...

Other than that I love the Universal parks and always have...:D

zaxmom
03-09-2003, 01:33 PM
I think the Universal Parks are top-notch.
The walk from the parking garage to the entrances is long. It is not an unpleasant walk, though. It is cool and covered with restaurants and shops.
I think the food at the counter service restaurants is bad and it is what I would expect for fast food. I like having the restaurants in Citywalk so convenient for lunch during the day. To me, they are a much better value than the fast food places in the park.
I would just assume they not sell beer and alcohol in the parks, or Disney, or baseball games when my kids are with me, etc. This is a place I take my kids and I would prefer there not be alcohol. I don't drink around my children and sure, it would be nice if no one else did, either. I am happy that they designated smoking areas, this used to be their biggest flaw, in my opinion.
I, also, think that we don't have to get completely soaked to have fun on a water ride. There are a lot of water rides here and they do get you really wet.
I really do feel that these are good parks and the flaws are minimal for most of us. When I compare it to the Six Flags here in Atlanta, it gets 5 stars. Not as many rides, but much better managing.

Absimilliard
03-12-2003, 02:41 AM
1- Please, there's a 30-45 minutes wait at Dueling Dragons. Are you forced to run 1 train on each side? I know you got 2 others for each track waiting in the maintenance bay. Love the coaster Fire is the best looping coaster I've been on), but its a one shot deal everytime cause of that.

2- The atrocious preshows at Earthquake and Twister. These aren't that bad, but enduring 10-20 minutes of preshows for 2 minutes experience? What's up with that? Take a clue from Spiderman and MiB. Integrate the preshow in the waiting line.

3- Jaws is sweet, but 4 show scenes is way too short.

4- Way to go. Universal Studios attendance is sinking and to fix it up, you'll go grab some market from IOA, who's rising? (the rumored Mummy Coaster).

5- Universal can't have classics? Kongfrontation, ET at USH? If Disney whould have removed Pirates at DL after 12 years, to replace it with a thrill ride, whould that make any senses? High maintenance costs? Then, update and modernise the whole thing.

6- Rearrange Hulk queue line. I had to wait an hour in that line and between the loud music (the music is great, but way too loud), the snaking of the line and the whole feel of the place, I felt I was ready to go nuts.

7- Tank or rehab Earthquake. Compare the flame effects of say Jaws to Earthquake. Earthquake is a small bonfire. The other is basically being roasted on a barbecue. Ain't that what a fire effect is about? Again, something in addition (a passage on the surface after going out the subway station?) whould help it. If not, NEXT! And please, no rollercoaster, leave that to IOA.

There you go, the 7 things I whould (or have) change.

scooby-the-doo
03-12-2003, 01:15 PM
The biggest flaw is to move away from the original 'Ride The Movies' philosophy. It's rather like a general dumbing down of the Studies park, ridding it of anything that could be considered informative - Hitchcock et al - and building rides based on movies of questionable quality - Neutron, Mummy - and questionable lifespan.

the Dark Marauder
03-12-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Absimilliard
1- Please, there's a 30-45 minutes wait at Dueling Dragons. Are you forced to run 1 train on each side? I know you got 2 others for each track waiting in the maintenance bay. Love the coaster Fire is the best looping coaster I've been on), but its a one shot deal everytime cause of that.
If they dont have the staff, they cant run 2 or 3 trains per side.

ProfesserBaxter
03-15-2003, 07:12 PM
its a matter of staff and budget, we need a certain amount of people to have a coaster cycling, and we have projections of the park attendice and we staff people according to that. if you are in a slow season expect only one train on DD for ice and fire, expect other attractions not to be operating ie storm force, and trike which is btw open this week

SRRN
03-16-2003, 09:16 AM
Having been to USF/IOA many times,I find the walk to and from the parking garage the WORST!! I'm so happy they now have on-site hotels.

I think there should be transportation between parks.As for myself and my family,I don't mind,but I have observed families with younger children and they definitely could use the ride.

I'd like to see more parades,evening shows like the old"stunt -man"show and more "street"entertainment.

But my biggest complaint is NOT ENOUGH CHARACTER DINING within the park!Yes,I've been to the dining at the hotels and it's always been very nice,but how about something,anything within the parks.They use to have character dining,which I might add,was always crowded,but they discontinued all of it and I,for one,am very disappointed!!!!

PINK FLOYD FANATIC
03-20-2003, 01:09 AM
IOA BIGGEST flaw is the lack of a good nonstop airtime coaster (hyper or woodie) with a minimum of 12 good spots of airtime!

julieannbabe
04-01-2003, 11:59 AM
i thought that both of the parks were great.

as we got the shuttle bus in - the walk seemed much shorter to the parks than WDW's Magic Kingdom.

Personally i prefered Universal Studios to Magic Kingdom.

Even though it was big it seemed more compact and i felt that you could get around the parks more.

I really enjoyed the shows (Horror Make-up, Bettlejuice Music Concert).

Nope i couldn't fault Universal Studios.

PINK FLOYD FANATIC
04-04-2003, 01:08 PM
Is that why there's no new major coasters like a woodie in the JP area?

Planogirl
04-04-2003, 01:30 PM
Wow, lots of complaints. Any theme park can be improved but I like both Universal Studios and Islands of Adventure, and I'm trying to start planning our next trip. Maybe the biggest problem is that they're too far away from me!

By the way, I thought that these kind of comments were going away? But maybe that's just on the CB. :(

the Dark Marauder
04-04-2003, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by PINK FLOYD FANATIC
Is that why there's no new major coasters like a woodie in the JP area? Wooden coatsers take up way too much space, and there's not enough space in JP for a wooden. A wooden *could* go behind MIB, there's lots of space back there.

maygwan
04-07-2003, 02:51 PM
well i must say i love both parks they are great and i cannot fault anyone of the parks..........................
it may have something to do with the fact im from the uk and all we have is alton towers,blackpool,and drayton manor and theres no comparison ....they are crap compared to universal........
and we mainly go in october and the halloween horror nights are something else...........i went to alton towers horror night once and never again ive been more scared by universals halloween horror night tickets lol .....

highlander447
04-07-2003, 03:59 PM
Have to agree these parks are great fun rides great shows come on people seriously complaining y?:jester:

Poohbear123
04-07-2003, 06:02 PM
Universal to me, is a copy-cat-wanna-be-MGM studios....was NOT impressed with this park, but I DO like IOA!;)

ltribble31021
04-07-2003, 06:37 PM
Poohbear I have to disagree!! MGM was just not fun to my family. I have a 7 year old and we have been going to Universal several times a year for about 3 years now. We enjoy Universal so much because my 7 y/o can do EVERYTHING there. He gets to ride all the rides and I might add LOVES all of them. Also the characters at Universal and IOA are more to his liking.(Spiderman, Rugrats, Thornberrys, Shrek, Jimmy Neutron).

ChrisFL
04-07-2003, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Poohbear123
Universal to me, is a copy-cat-wanna-be-MGM studios....was NOT impressed with this park, but I DO like IOA!;)

LOL, that's funny, since MGM was the copycat, and the reason why it didn't have much when it opened is that Disney rushed it, so it would open before Universal. :rolleyes:

WebmasterBarry
04-07-2003, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by ChrisFL
LOL, that's funny, since MGM was the copycat, and the reason why it didn't have much when it opened is that Disney rushed it, so it would open before Universal. :rolleyes:

Who can name the 4 attractions that were open when Disney-MGM first opened? :)

the Dark Marauder
04-07-2003, 11:30 PM
The Great Movie Ride, Star Tours, the Backlot Tour and Muppets 4-D???

JessicaR
04-07-2003, 11:51 PM
The Great Movie Ride and Indiana Jones Spectacular and the Backstage tour. Cant think of another :confused:

highlander447
04-08-2003, 09:01 AM
Got to disagree no way is Universal copying MGM I liked MGM but at times just thought to myself its to big for whats in it I think people miss shows at Universal which are great and not to be missed if u only do the park for rides then u will miss a lot it has to offer also found the flintstones to be great characters to talk to they really clowned about for photos:jester:

Dznefreek
04-09-2003, 05:45 PM
Who can name the 4 attractions that were open when Disney-MGM first opened Animation Tour, Backstage Tour with Catostrophe Canyon, The Great Movie Ride, Superstar Theater, Sound Show with Chevy Chase and Martin Short.

Indy was still in rehearsal and Star Tours was still under construction.

All Aboard
04-11-2003, 11:22 PM
Who can name the 4 attractions that were open when Disney-MGM first openedAnimation Tour, Backstage Tour with Catostrophe Canyon, The Great Movie Ride, Superstar Theater, Sound Show with Chevy Chase and Martin Short. Plus, the original nameless stage show in the old Theater of the Stars that was like "Hollywood meets Broadway" and included a white clad and top hatted Goofy and kick-line dancers.

Also, didn't the "Epic Stunt Spectacular" or something close to that predate Indiana Jones by about 6 months? I recall the show being generic and using many props that eventually became part of the Indy show. It seemed like they were working the bugs out of Indy before officially slapping the name on it.

Of course, the Backstage Studio Tour was 2 1/2 hours long back then, when New York Street was not open to walkers. Remember when the tram looped around in the space where the ABC Commissary is now? It began behind the animation building, proceeded straight ahead through costuming and scene shop, headed down residential street, around Washington Square, down New York Street, looped, came back around by where Hunchback was and then onto Catastrophe Canyon. Then came the water tank, then through what became Backstage Pass and ended in the Walt Disney Theater (became Voyage of the Little Mermaid.) Now THAT was a tour!

Poohbear123
04-14-2003, 04:37 PM
YES! I remember that tour!:eek: Gad, was it LONG!!:confused: When I first visited MGM, it was June of 1989!:eek: I believe Dick Tracy the Movie with Warren Beatty was either coming out than, or already out. Also, I remember the display of Roger Rabbit props near the food court by Star Tours?:confused: Correct me if I am wrong. Sorry if I made some UNI People UPSET, but I REALLY expected MORE from this Park than I experienced.:confused: Like I said in the above post: I LOVE IOA!!;)

Planogirl
04-15-2003, 01:56 AM
Poohbear, I think that it's all subjective. MGM has been my favorite park for a long time but it felt rather flat to me this past year. I feel like many of the attractions have slipped and the park seems to be losing its "movie magic" theme. In turn, I didn't expect that much from Universal but I was very thrilled to say the least. I personally enjoy the type of attraction that Universal specializes in and wish that MGM would do more of this.

IOA itself has stunning theming but doesn't seem to have all that much to do for me. Of course, I wouldn't ride the Hulk or Dr Doom for anything in the world :) and that makes a big difference. I expect great things from IOA though just based on its theming. Universal has some areas like Amity and New York that I thought were nicely themed but other areas didn't look as good IMO.

DocBosch
04-15-2003, 04:09 AM
Originally posted by Poohbear123
Sorry if I made some UNI People UPSET, but I REALLY expected MORE from this Park than I experienced.:confused:

It wasn't your opinion, but the falsity of your statement that made people upset.

In 1915, Carl Laemmle opened Universal City, "the world's first self-contained community dedicated to making movies". Visitor's were welcome to Universal City to observe and experience movie making up close, until 1930, when the development of sound in films demanded quite sets.

In 1964, the Universal Studios tour was reinstated, transporting trams full of guests into the back lots and inner workings of the movie studio, later on integrating first hand movie experiences, from The Ten Commandments, Jaws, King Kong, and Earthquake. Eventually Universal built a theme park adjacent to its movie studio, with attractions such as The E.T. Adventure and Back To The Future...The Ride, incorporating the existing tram tour.

Universal had been planning a Florida based sister to the Hollywood original since the early 80s. Universal looked to partner with Paramount Pictures, of which Michael Eisner was President and CEO at the time. In 1984, Eisner became Chairman and CEO of The Walt Disney Company. Soon after, the Disney/MGM Studios was places on the fast track to become the third gate at the Walt Disney World Resort. About three years from conception to opening day, the Disney/MGM Studios was rushed through production in time to beat Universal Studios Florida by more then a year.

The scatter-brain layout of Disney/MGM mimics that of Universal Hollywood's, with it's erratic midways and ride arrangement. There’s even a tram tour of the "back lot", with "Catastrophe Canyon" as a shorthand conglomerate of the Earthquake/Kong/Alan Smithe Bridge experiences from the USH tram tour. In the end, Universal Florida was laid out thoughtfully, actually integrating the back lot, soundstages and movie encounters into the immediate theme park experience.

Universal Studios Hollywood was the first movie studio theme park ever, and the Disney/MGM Studios was created to directly compete with Universal Studios Florida, so it's not Universal who's being the copy cat.

Now, reading this, you may get the idea that I totally dislike MGM Studios, which is not true. Just a week ago I shelled out the 50 bucks to visit the park again (granted, I haven’t been in a number of years). I love that MGM's angle on the studio theme park is to highlight the concept of the ideal Hollywood, fully using the term "Disneytized", while Universal concentrates on providing a more realistic view of filmmaking in general. I also love that MGM, over the years, has successfully expanded to encompass the entire idea of show biz, including film, music, television and stage (I love their tagline "Where Show Biz Is"). Universal, on the other hand, has unfortunately neglected it's filmmaking roots, no longer making an effort to maintain the pretense that we're actually guests of a working studios.

Regardless, all things considered, I think “Uncle Carl” would be just as proud as “Uncle Walt.”

-Kevin