christianity

[jarfrog]

Look, I know i am new here and some of you people do not know me. But I am a 13 year old christian. ive gone to some threads and have seen some of the posts. i would have posted my argument but somthin happened and i could not. my argument was against the person that was talkin about the nazis and was talkin against god. i will tell you right now that i wont let that happen. i am very happy though for the people that stood up for god in that thread. now i would like to talk about any other arguments other people have about christ. i would like to also answer ?'s about christianity. i have gone to many christian schools in my life and it has been a relief from public school. this coming school year i will be attending public school on my will so that i may spread the wonderful news of christianity. so please post any complaints that you have against christianity so that i and any one else that would like could help.

[Amzey]

I don't quite understand your post.. do you think that the Nazis were good or bad?

[poohbaby]

you go boy

[jarfrog]

the nazis were bad. they had no right to do what they did. this thread is to answer any questions that any one might have about religion, also to prove to any one out there that wants to challenge god and the truth. because god is truth.

[nsyncraider17]

I don't have a ? or anything, I just wanted to let u know that I totally agree w/ you!:D

[SkippyTheAlien]

I totally agree...... and it doesnt matter what type of religon or what you believe in you shouldnt put others down or talk about there religon just cuz it isnt yours! So i totally agree with what you are saying!

PS-The nazis dint have any right to do what they did !!!!!!

[CathyCanada]

Hi jarfrog,
While I am in agreement with you that the Nazis did horrrible things, the reason that you could not reply to that thread was because I locked it because of the personal attacks that were going on. I don't want the same thing happening here and if it does, this thread will be locked as well.

Please remember guys that expressing your opinion is one thing, but attacking someone personally is not allowed on this website and anyone who wants to continue to be welcome here would be wise to keep that in mind.

Thanks for your anticipated co-operation. :)
Cathy

[JuviRex11]

Take it from someone who has been in public schools all his life. You go through school preaching, first of all the students will immediately condemn you, and there's a chance they'll get physical with you. Second, religion is not allowed in public schools, you go through the school preaching, you're going to get into alot of trouble with the faculty. A science teacher just got kicked out of my school for teaching the biblical theory of creation at a student's urging. Just a hint, watch yourself. Oh, and because I know certain members of the board love it........school this.

[jarfrog]

I just got back. It is amazing how many people have checked this thread out in the last few hours. (guess it is because i am new) i agree with everyone here. it is not right to cut any body down. every body is intitled to their opinion because there is not always a right or wrong. but not to cut down any body i would like to say my opinion is that their is only one god. that god is "GOD" go figure. I also beleive their is only two places to go after you die. that is either hell or heaven. the choice to go to one of those places is yours. by being someone that spreads the word of christ is to open the door. they have to walk through. my hope as i would think that this would be every body else's is that every one that has a door opened for them would waslk through. that is my thought. and about getting kicked out of school for preaching or any thing else, i
"DO NOT CARE"

[WDWfanatic288]

i soo agree with you!!!!

like he doesnt have to go and preach(b/c some people made it against the law)you can be a christian thru your actions and people will look up to you..like I have a friend whos Muslim and I respect her because she does fast and wear the thing over her head..one thing I really respect is her truthfulness...she never lies or cheats...so I look up to her for that.
jarfrog-you have your head on straight!! very straight!!


Hilter was wrong...but Stalin was worse...Hitler killed 6 million..Stalin killed 20 million..something that is isnt taugh in school enough(if u didnt know Stalin was head of the Russian revolution in the early 1900's)

[jarfrog]

thank you for that sugestion of showing it and sharing it through my actions. that thought totally escaped me. i will keep that in my mind.

[poohbaby]

jarfrog is totally right.
a friend of mine showed me a meeting that went on about the colabine shooting and they were talking with rachel scotts father( if you d not know who she is she is one of the students that was marytered for her faith in God) and he said that on aprail 20, 1999 prayer was brought back into public schools. and if yall have not hearned it is now leagally to hold christian meatings at public shools as long as it is after hours

[JuviRex11]

And about Hitler, yes, his actions were very condemnable. The thing is, most of his orders such as to kill the Jews were told to him by his advisors. And not only that, Hitler was a great leader. He singlehandedly rebuilt Germany into the most powerful nation in the world after it was devastated during WWI. He revolutionized commerce and rebuilt roads, and pulled Germany out of its economic strife. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not defending his actions, but at the time, his advisors were the ones ordering the killings, he was just a puppet for the genocide. And don't think Im some neo-nazi, because my ex-girlfriend is Jewish as are 2 of my closest friends.

Oh, and I got suspended for a day from school for saying this, and I will say it again for who shut down the board. Just another white woman on a power trip.

[jarfrog]

she is right. last year when i was visiting a public school i saw that they had a bible study/devotion every morning for any one who wanted. now the teachers were not alowed to say anything but it seemed like a step for christianity. it is sad how we started out with christianity in all schools when we first came to this contenent (i dont know if i spelled it right) then we gradually lost it, i wonder why?? anybody

[PigSoldier]

Wow!! I've never seen so many people post in such a short space of time!! :D
Its been proven that Hitler knew all about what was going on in the concentration camps. While its true that he did some good things for Germany, he reunited the country and boosted morale using anti-semitism.
Any man who has anything to do with the killings of 6million people is no great leader in my opinion, puppet or not.

[poohbaby]

the reason hitler did not like the Jews was because his mother died of cancer while in the care of a Jewish doctor

[Joe Cool]

You forgot your 'Ganley this', Mike...*laughs*

Even though you're our resident troublemaker...

(or...maybe you speak the words that some may be afraid to? I don't know. I'm going to step outside the circle on this one, I've got a lot of !@#%& going on in my life this week, I'll come back and deposit my $2.00...that is, if CathyCanada doesn't close <i>this</i> thread...)

...your opinions are worth it, although it's natural I might disagree with some of 'em. Rock on.

JC

[jarfrog]

now i am not condeming hitler because that is not my place nor is it any one elses on this site. or in the world. but what he did was not right. now i am some jewish, some german, and some australian. which is very ironic. my point is this even though my ancestors were german they hated and despised hitler. some old journals that i have gotten from my grandparents made it seem that he was not a puppet. i also would like to make a point of forgiveness, i garuntee it , matter of fact go look in a christian bible, god forgives. now for all of us we will never know untill we die and go to heaven or for the unsaved and unbeleivers if hitler is in heaven. but he very well could be. because if he had truely repented and was saved then he is in heaveni garuntee it. even though i would hate that just like many others out there. but the point is to forgive, im not saying that it is easy or that i am perfect at it but at least try

[jarfrog]

she should not have to if we keep or coments clean and as opinions instead of insulting people.

[poohbaby]

since this is about christianity i would like to ask all of you that believe in prayer to pray for my aunt because she lost her sister two yrs ago to cancer and she was just dignosted with it

[jarfrog]

hey poohbaby you might want to also add your grandad? and empty your inbox it is full.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------any way back to discussion

[poohbaby]

yeh pray for him to he was a heart problem

[JuviRex11]

Ironically, I've gotten into this same argument before with someone else. You say that God forgives as long as the person is repentant. Well, here's this for a situation. Lets take someone like a mass murderer. If he is sorry for what he did, you say that he will go to heaven. Now, I have had pre-marital sex, but I am not sorry for it. Actually, I am proud of it. Will I go to hell because of that? Because it seems kind of odd that a mass murderer will go to heaven and I won't. If I believed in heaven and hell, I actually believe in reincarnation. Also, I think everyone has a sin that they've committed that they arent sorry for.

[jarfrog]

that would be another good thing to do. any prayer requests that anybody has. unspokens, or family, ect.

[poohbaby]

as alngo as you believe in christ then you are going to heaven

[SkippyTheAlien]

Also... You know everyone has a right to vioce they're own oppinion, so here is mine. I think that people who are alike don't get along as good as poeple whoare different. With the exception of a few people, because both of my best friends are like sisters to me...... not friends... get it?

I know this is an oppinion that kind of has nothing to do with what evryone else is saying... but I think that different religons in this world is great.... sometimes it brings people together, and sometimes it brings people to become enemys. I believe in hate. I just dont see how people can hate each other just because, well, they're different. If everyone in the world was the same religon, looked the same, and acted the same, where do you think we would be in this world? Probably no where at all. If everyone thought the same, think of how many different inventions we wouldnt have. Like nothing.......


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[PigSoldier]

Hey, I actually agree with you JuviRex! I've always found it hard to believe that Mahatma Ghandi is in hell right now.

[jarfrog]

being repentive and being sorry are 2 different things. repentive is when you are turning away from evil (satin, beelzebub, ect.) and doing right, because you can be sorry for what you did but still did it. but yes your relations with another female was wrong but yet if you are repentive god will always forgive. but you actually have to stop doing that sin. like smoking, you could want to stop which is like smoking, but you have to do something to stop it for results. please do not bring up talk like that, you have to remember young kids including people your age are on this site that do not really want to hear that.

[poohbaby]

the only way a christian can not get into heaven is to deny the works of the holy sprirt it is the only unpardiable sin

[jarfrog]

thanks poohbaby for the backup
:p

[poohbaby]

ya welcome

[PigSoldier]

Ooooh, I've got a big exam tomorrow.
I have to leave!!!
I can't tear myself away from this.
Must........leave.....DIS!!!!!

but I'll be back tomorrow ;) !

[jarfrog]

well it is getting a little dry so in the meen time are there any other prayer requests

[jarfrog]

there is a prayer request for webmasterpete as his dad just got back from some sort of surdgery. so keep him in your prayers at night. please

[JuviRex11]

but you actually have to stop doing that sin.
So once a person stops killing people, then he's all set to go up to heaven? Right. And you brought up smoking. Since when was smoking a sin?
the only way a christian can not get into heaven is to deny the works of the holy sprirt it is the only unpardiable sin
So right now Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh are up in heaven? They're both Christians.
if you are repentive god will always forgive
So I guess I'm headed to hell. Despite the fact that I'm an overall good person, I'm going to hell. I guess I'll be seeing alot of my friends there.

Skippy, that is a great point, alot of my friends are Christian, but they don't spend their time pushing their beliefs onto me, which are some people's motives in here. That's not an insult, that's the truth, but that'll get some moderator or some white woman on a power trip(no names) mad.

[poohbaby]

i have a nother prayer request!
my mom is going in for eye surgry that could make here blind if they mess up in a few days

[JuviRex11]

the only way a christian can not get into heaven is to deny the works of the holy sprirt it is the only unpardiable sin
I forgot to add this. So right now every Muslim, Buddhist, Protestant, Atheist, Mythologist, Wiccan, Jew, and every single other religion are in hell? Right. And I forgot: Sin This.

[jarfrog]

thanks poohbaby i had forgotten about that too. and for juvx (i dont know) look i do not want to start a fight so i just want you to think about this. i never said you are going to hell or heaven, i am not god so i can not say what is going to happen, that is up to you. smoking is not a sin i was just using it as a paraphrase. if you really want to talk about this please see some one like a youth minister. they will allways help you. but please do not start a fight because that is the only place this will end up. i am not condmeming you to hell or heaven, your choice.

[nsyncraider17]

I think you kinda took some stuff out of context. If a mass murderer stops killing people, he doesn't automatically go to heaven. He has to become a Christian by accepting Jesus Christ into his life.
So right now Timothy McVeigh and David Koresh are up in heaven? They're both Christians.
If they really are Christians, then yeah. It doesn't matter how many sins you have committed in your life, if you ask God for forgiveness, then he forgets all about them.
So I guess I'm headed to hell. Despite the fact that I'm an overall good person, I'm going to hell.
Pretty much. The Bible says that we are saved by grace, not by works.

btw, I am a Christian, but I try not to do much preaching. Sometimes it totally turns people away from the truth instead of helping them find it. Also, where I live anyway, I'm almost postitive that students are allowed to tell others about God as much as they want. It's just staff members at school that aren't.

[Amzey]

Geez.. LOL I expected to see like 2 other posts on this thread, not 40. :earseek:
Anyway, I don't want to get involved in religious debates, but my post before was just a little concerned that jarfrog was saying that what the Nazis did was good - I'm glad that he/she does not believe that.
I guess a little debate is healthy for everyone...

[jarfrog]

HE

[jarfrog]

it might be good but also tiring. LOL

[poohbaby]

ya might want to explain what he means i get it but others might not

[jarfrog]

it might be good but also tiring. LOL

[poohbaby]

you already said that

[poohbaby]

bump

[poohbaby]

bump this is a good thread

[JuviRex11]

Alot of you are turning into sheep. And I think a few people in here are confusing fight with debate. I don't see a fight anywhere. I just think that my arguments are making you give up. And I'm not going to talk to my youth minister. I don't even have one. My entire point of this is why I go against religion.

Anyway, in theory, if I converted to the Christian religion, I could do whatever I wanted, and still get into heaven? It doesnt make sense at all. The entire point of religion is to steer yourself to a better way of life. I base my life on my own value system, not a value system made by a group using a work of fiction to prophesize life. I'm going to party. Value this.

[princessdisney]

ok. i'm joining against my better judgement. i'm mormon, and yes, for all of you out there who might not know, that means i'm christian too. i believe in christ and i will do anything to defend my faith.
it says in james that faith without works is dead. ultimate religion is about living your life in a moral and ethical way. christ emanated this in his ministry. he did not condemn anyone. but he showed (through his works) that he loved and had charity towards everyone. to be saved, we need to do everything we need to. we can't just say "oh i believe, save me now." we need to show through our actions that we are truly christians. that is what pure religion is about.

[poohbaby]

i agree with you 100%

[princessdisney]

thanks poohbaby:)

[jarfrog]

hello princessdisney, glad to have you. i am glad to hear you standing up for christ. i myself after having a break of discussing this found it almost funny how he is the only one on this thread, out of over 350 people that have looked at it, that is critisizing faith and god. then when you talked about how without the work there is like no spiritual envolvment. it is like a fruit tree. god is the stump and the branches we are the fruit. the work we show grows the fruit.

[jarfrog]

i have a lot of bible notes from last school year, now i might not havve them all but if you could help me out poohbaby that would be great, cause like i said i dont have them all and i thought you might. ill be back in a little while

[poohbaby]

yeh i think i have them all but it depebds on the ones you need
and for those who are wondering why i would have the same note is because e went to school together

[jarfrog]

OK I AM BACK

[poohbaby]

finnally

[jarfrog]

hey i dont know about you but my supper and the movie were both good and so i enjoyed it.

[poohbaby]

what movie did you see tomb raider????

[jarfrog]

animal, it was not nearly as good as i hoped it to be. oh well, dont judge a book by its cover

[poohbaby]

is it good enuf to go see????

[fboy9287]

ok people what did i miss?

[poohbaby]

so far not much

[jarfrog]

it was worth the money but i dont want to buy it or anything. i think next time ill see tombraider. sounds good and if your dad says its the best than its got to be good

[poohbaby]

i may be going to see it tomorrow

[jarfrog]

sounds like fun but i leave for florida and barbadous tommorow. ill take my laptop with me.

[poohbaby]

why ya going to flordia??
and what is or where is barbadous

[jarfrog]

some old fam. barbadous is an isl down south of cuba. i cant say much else about it on open discussion. dont email. ill just send a pm.

[poohbaby]

ok

[SkippyTheAlien]

Also... You know everyone has a right to vioce they're own oppinion, so here is mine. I think that people who are alike don't get along as good as poeple whoare different. With the exception of a few people, because both of my best friends are like sisters to me...... not friends... get it?

I know this is an oppinion that kind of has nothing to do with what evryone else is saying... but I think that different religons in this world is great.... sometimes it brings people together, and sometimes it brings people to become enemys. I believe in hate. I just dont see how people can hate each other just because, well, they're different. If everyone in the world was the same religon, looked the same, and acted the same, where do you think we would be in this world? Probably no where at all. If everyone thought the same, think of how many different inventions we wouldnt have. Like nothing.......

[jarfrog]

i understand. you get bored of the same things. with somebody that is not much like you gives you a chance to do new stuff and new stuff is always fun

[jarfrog]

BUMP

[JuviRex11]

Listen, Jarfrog and poohbaby, you guys should have your little personal conversations somewhere else somewhere else, cause this was a good conversation, but that kind of stuff should be saved for a pm or on the phone.
Back to religion.
only one on this thread, out of over 350 people that have looked at it, that is critisizing faith and god.
Oh, I'm sorry, I'll try to conform and be like each and every one of you. And I'll try very hard to keep my ideas to myself because apparently they're unpopular. Yes, I am the only person here fighting religion. But because I am the minority does not mean that I shouldn't be expressing my thoughts and beliefs. Who else was supposedly the minority at the time in expressing his beliefs? Jesus. Martin Luther King gave his idea in a predominately white area, and I'm throwing out my beliefs in a predominately Christian area.
ultimate religion is about living your life in a moral and ethical way.
This is EXACTLY the point I was just making. What I was saying is that if I live a good and wholesome life, why should I need to follow God to get more moral steering in my life? I do not feel anything is missing in my life, so I dont need religion. And instead of trying to convert other people, maybe you should spend time doing God's work on Earth instead of trying to convince people that they are living life wrong and that the Christian way is perfect. Mother Theresa never tried to convert people, she helped people immensly. That is God's work.

[girlwithguitar]

i realize i'm joining in on this discussion pretty late, but here's my opinion...

and by the way, i agree with just about everything JuviRex11 has said. well said on many of your arguments!

(on to my opinion)
this isn't an attack on any particular religion, however, some of the posters to the thread have been very preachy and sounds to be like they are unaccepting of others views. i guess i could be considered a christian, i was born one and i go to church (only because i'm forced, mind you), but i don't feel that people need to criticise others' beliefs, which they are doing when they start to preach. i am offended when i hear people preach or when people on the streets hand out pamphlets on "the good works of jesus." i find that to be very rude. if, for example, i was agnostic, i would be incredibly offended by people who are trying to push their beliefs on me.

and about the decision that was made to allow religious clubs in public schools after hours. i agree with that (surprisingly!) if and only if equal opportunity is given to all religions, including christians and satanists.

and i guess i'm going to hell too. i'll see you there, JuviRex11.

[poohbaby]

you can not be born a christian your parents can noot save you you have to believ in christ yourself

[jarfrog]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLY. i am sorry for saying that about you and i should not have been so criticall. again sorry. i am sad that the girlw/guitar says that she is going to hell, all she has to do is beleive in god and beleive that his son died on the cross to wipe away the sins of every person so that every one would have the choice to go to heaven. the day that he died and rose again saddened jesus and god more than any human could ever feel. it also saddens god to see some one back away from a chance of more love than ever could be shown. its like a million dollars being given for free. you dont deny it you take it. and girlw/guitar, you are right about all religions in schools, but i do not think any of them should be tauhgt as fact because that would force ideas into childrens heads. or either have those religions taught as optionary classes. then to get back to juvirex, if you do not have god then you will have an emptiness that nothing can fill.

[girlwithguitar]

Originally posted by jarfrog
all she has to do is beleive in god and beleive that his son died on the cross to wipe away the sins of every person so that every one would have the choice to go to heaven. the day that he died and rose again saddened jesus and god more than any human could ever feel.

maybe that's why i'm offended. i don't need to hear that. i know that already. it's whether or not i chose to believe it. you can't make that decision for me; no one should be able to, which is essentially what organized religion is.


juvirex, add me to your (short) list of those fighting religion.

[poohbaby]

all i am going to say is that i will pray for the both of you

[WebmasterAlex]

Hey guys?
If you have something to say fine, but it isn't neccesary to keep bumping posts

[jarfrog]

webmasteralex did you get the complaint

[JuviRex11]

Don't pray for me, I don't want to be prayed for, I want to live my life free of the guilt-trip that is religion.
if you do not have god then you will have an emptiness that nothing can fill.
Ok, you just hit a nerve. Your life is full and you are happy. You attribute this to God. More power to you. My life is full and happy with or without god. How dare you make judgments about my life. Actually, when I was a choir/altar boy, I was very lonely and had no friends. When I became what I am now, my life has skyrocketed. I am not attributing that to losing God in my life, but I am saying that my life is a lot more fun now that Im not worried about what God is thinking about what I'm doing. Not that Im doing anything sacrireligious or anything. My life is empty? You think yours is full because you have God. There are people who don't believe in God, so you think that their life is empty because they are Godless. You attribute everything to you, which is selfish.
And everything you have said about God and Jesus dying and so on, I don't believe any of it, so what affect would that have on me. Don't throw your God guilt trip on me or Girlwithguitar, because unlike many members of your religion, we aren't going to be sucked in. Guilt this.

[JuviRex11]

Complaint? Because there are people here arguing with you and not following your "perfect" little life you're telling on us? Tattletale.

[jarfrog]

than by all means please leave the thread.

[JuviRex11]

Sounds like I got some backing, and someone couldn't handle a little debate. I'm definately going to get in trouble for this, but to quote someone else earlier in this post, I DON'T CARE! CENSOR THIS!

[WebmasterAlex]

Ok enough, this has degenerated into nothing but a name calling session. Please don't bother trying to start it back up with a different title as it will be deleted. This thread is closed.