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iamleia2
12-28-2000, 07:05 PM
We had a very unpleasant experience at Universal Studios. We went to the Monster Make-up show (or something like that) thinking that it would be fun to see how some special effects are done. Ha! That's not what we got. There were these two guys doing the show and they kept making all these vulger, and obscene, jokes about viagra and other such things (you don't want to know). Finally, one couple got up and started to walk out and they stopped them and asked them why they were leaving. The couple replied that they were offended and left. The rest of the show these two morons made fun of the couple. Every time they made a crude joke they would sarcastically reply "Oops. Sorry. Did we OFFEND anyone there. Ha ha haha..." Not funny. And on top of that... they didn't even really show how any effects are done! They showed clips from horror movies and briefly said some stuff about effects that any idiot could probably figure out by themselves! What topped it all off was the comment they made when the couple left. They said "Where do they think they are... Disney World?" Exactly. You do NOT find stuff like that at Disney World and that is NOT a bad thing. There should not be shows like that in family parks. It is unfortunate that this ruined my Universal Studios experience because there really were some neat rides and attractions there. But frankly, I have no desire to go back and support them as long as that show is still up and running. And bytheway, I am not some concerned parent. I am 18. And I was appalled. As were my cousins and the rest of my family. I did not think it funny in any way. So, if you do decide to depart from the wholesome Disney atmosphere, be sure and skip this show unless you are also sick minded and enjoy things like that. :rolleyes: Sorry to get so fired up! It just made me mad!

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

MKPcm
12-28-2000, 07:22 PM
I have not seen the show recently, but all the signage advises that it is a PG-13 type of event.

Many people go to Universal to escape the sweetness of Disney. I don't think this world needs another Disney park and Universal is not a clone of Disney.

Has anyone else objected to the content of the Gory, Grusome and Grotesque Horror Makeup Show?

iamleia2
12-28-2000, 07:36 PM
Well, I guess I missed the warning. And I do realize that people go there to get away from Disney's "sweetness." But regardless, I do not think that kind of thing should be in a family park. Or is US not a family park any more? I also am thinking that maybe there are different actors that do this show and maybe these ones were just worse than usual. This is REALLY disgusting. I mean... he was talking about his mother's hairy ummm... backside and squeazing juices out of a duck's.... backside. Or something like that. Gross, I know. And I didn't want to put it here... but I don't want you to think I'm getting worked up over nothing. It wasn't just obscene stuff, like the viagra thing. It was really gross stuff! And I suppose I should also emphasize that the rest of the park is really great, as is IOA. We did enjoy ourselves and i definitely think it's worth a visit... I just don't understand why they have to ruin it with stuff like this and I think it should be stopped. That's just my opinion though! Sorry if I offended you! :)

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

Spaceman Spiff
12-28-2000, 07:55 PM
Hmm, I went my family this past Sept. and we as well as the rest of the audience really enjoyed the show, but then, we knew what to expect from the two guys performing the show. I found it funny and very entertaining. Just to goofs joking around. Sorry if it disgusted you, but we liked it.

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cotye
12-28-2000, 08:19 PM
iamleia: Sorry to hear you didn't enjoy the show. As others have mentioned, it is clearly marked that this show is meant for those older than 13. Me and my friends thought this show was the higlight of USF. I particularly enjoyed the humour and have never laughed so hard in a theme park show. Granted, it doesn't make you feel all fuzzy inside like Disney shows, but being a young adult, perhaps that's something I'm not looking for. Maybe when I'm a parent and want to watch wholesome shows with my kids, then I'll head for WDW. But in the meantime, I enjoyed the fact that the show still maintains a humorous approach to make-up.

To each his own. :)

P.S. Viagra??!!! Um, haven't you been watching television lately? Half the stuff on the local news today could be construed as overly disgusting? I don't want to disrespect you, but perhaps it is being overly sensitive? That's just me, cause I know when I turn on the T.V, there is much more violence, lewd comments and sexual innuendo in morning cartoons then what we experienced at the show.

But then again, it is up to each individual to decide what s/he watches/experiences.

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MikeS
12-28-2000, 09:30 PM
The one thing I keep hearing in these posts is that Universal isn't a "Family" Park. Well There is more to a family than just kids. There are adults too. I feel Universal has boarder family appeal than Disney because there is something for everyone. Little kids have Kidzone, Preteens have MIB,Twister and adults have T2, Hitchcock and The Makeup Show. I have seen the Makeup show over 100 times and it is one of the funniest shows around.
Remember they are dealing with a touchy subject the they present it in a entertaining and enlightning way.
The show is rated PG 13 clearly up front. In fact all Universal rides and shows are Clearly rated on signs with warning about the content and ride precautions.If anyone is in doubt about a ride or show they only have to ask the attendant and they will tell them all the informtion they need.
I am thankful that Universal provides adults with a Grown up alternative to Disney.After a day in the Magic Kingdom I'm ready for something other than strollers in the ankles. And Universal is that something.

iamleia2
12-28-2000, 09:31 PM
Ok... obviously we have different approaches to life. I am also a young adult. 18 as I mentioned. And I do not watch TV shows that have crude stuff on them like that so I suppose that's part of it. But besides that, like I said it wasn't just the obscene stuff... it was just disgusting stuff too! And I didn't learn anything new at all. Maybe they were too distracted trying to redeem themselves from the people walking out or something. Like I said, we obviously just have different values. I'm sorry I said anything guys. I guess if it's marked for 13 or above then that's fair warning. I just didn't see that.

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

JessicaR
12-28-2000, 10:03 PM
I loved this show! I also appreciate that Universal offers entertainment that is appealing to many ages. There are plenty of choices for children as well as adults. The rides and shows are clearly rated. Personally I dont take offense to adult humor. But yes we all have different opinions of what is funny and entertaining. I enjoy Universal because it isnt Disney. I enjoy both Universal and Disney. I dont however compare them. I respect your opinion, I just felt the warning!!! was a bit strong. :)

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Molokai Gram
12-28-2000, 11:19 PM
although I have been to Universal twice! But I had planned to go this time. We always took little ones with us before and so skipped the show. If I can try the coasters, I think I am old enough to try this too! ;)

Beejayjay
12-29-2000, 05:35 AM
It is a shame if you were offended by the tone of the show Leia. I have seen the show probably 5 times and never found anything at all offensive or gross about it. But each persons views are different and should be respected guys, even if we find them odd or out of synch with our own.

The one thing I will say Leia, is that, as much as the rest of us should respect your opinion, equally you shouldnt try to force your view on others ! As everyone says, there is a clear warning that the content of the show is of a more mature level, and anyway, are jokes about Viagra and hairy butts really that shocking to you ?

As for what you learnt , what can you realistically expect to learn about special effects in a 20-30 minute show ? As someone who has been turned into the Monster in the Xena bit, I thought it was quite informative! ( I also found out that I make a frighteningly realistic monster - worrying !!)

As I say, it is a shame you didnt enjoy the show, but dont let it colour your view of USF. I love Disney but of the two parks I think Universal is better and doesnt try to indoctrinate you with that Disney aren't-we-great sugar coating !

BJJ.

Still looking forward to Disney & USF from Jan 5th !!

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No11's Mom
12-29-2000, 06:03 AM
The name of the show is not the Monster Makeup Show. It is the Gory, Gruesome and Grotesque Horror Show. By naming it that they are basically telling you right up front what to expect. How much clearer can a name be? If you don't watch gory, gruesome and grotesque horror movies, then maybe you should have realized that this show might not be for you. If you do watch those movies, you shouldn't be complaining. We've seen the show twice and thought it was hilarious both times. I hope it is still running when we go back in 2002.

iamleia2
12-29-2000, 09:29 AM
Obviously some people have not read the posts that I made after I had received a few replies. I have said numerous times that I know people are entitled to their opinions and that I was sorry if I offended anyone. I also said that the rest of US and IOA were wonderful and I really did enjoy the rides. Especially the coasters and Men in Black. I feel like I have made some enemies and that is not what I mean to happen. I was simply doing just what the subject said, warning. But obviously there is already a warning on it that I missed so all is well. If they are telling people not to go who might not like it then that is fine. That's really what I was most upset about in the first place because I didn't know what I was getting into. Please don't hate me! I didn't mean to offend! They really are great parks with great rides! I just wanted people to know what it was in case they were also offended by stuff like that also! Thanks!

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

No11's Mom
12-29-2000, 10:34 AM
Jamliea2 -

I'm just wondering what you think of the Alien Encounter attraction at MK? I think it is one of WDW's few great attractions (along with ToT, RnR, Tough to Be a Bug and Dinosaur). However, there are elements of that attraction (the simulated killing of a human by an alien for one) that seem to be much more disturbing than anything in the makeup show. I was just wondering what you thought of that attraction.

Donna R.

Boing
12-29-2000, 10:38 AM
Obviously you share an opinion with the minority of people who frequent this page. And that is fine. However, I think your posting may have the opposite effect as intended, at least for me. I personally am a big fan of low brow, "gross" humor and am more eager to see this show than ever now that I have read this string. And you do not have to have a "sick mind" to enjoy this stuff. If it helps I am a child psychologist, and a good one! I don't think it is really fair to judge the entire park because you had a bad experience at one attraction. I personally found one particular restaurant in France to be subpar, but that doesn't mean I will never go back to Europe. Anyway, thank you for sharing your opinion and allowing me to share mine.

cotye
12-29-2000, 12:19 PM
Boing: Well said!!!! http://www.wdwinfo.com/sites/family/biggthumpup.gif

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iamleia2
12-29-2000, 01:14 PM
I actually thought that Alien Encounter was rather lame. In the Unofficial guide they made this huge buildup to it being so scary and I was scared to death waiting in line... and then it was nothing. An alien coming out of the ceiling who was actually kindof cute and the seat moving a little bit. Waiting in line was the scariest part! But I did not find it gross in the same way at all. I don't appreciate people talking about their mother's hairy rear ends. And I didn't appreciate them making fun of the people who left. Those people had their opinion and they shouldn't have made fun of it. But like I have said about three times now... the thing that made me the most mad was that I wasn't warned what I was getting into, but there is a warning, I just missed it. So go ahead, see the show if you like it and that's just fine with me! And I have also said that I did enjoy the rest of the park(s). I enjoyed IOA more actually. I liked the themeing. But anyway, I'm glad you all like to share your opinions, even if they are all oposite from mine... :D Have a nice day!

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

Puffy2
12-29-2000, 02:20 PM
Haven't seen it and probably wouldn't given the title (I just don't like horror stuff period).
Universal is for an older audience - most of the rides are geared towards teens, adults.

And the couple that walked out did as adults should do when they find something distasteful - that's what I would do in any situation where I was really bothered.
The men commenting on the couple were only doing what comedians routinely do , work their audience into the show (even if it is in bad taste).

Iamiela2, next time just get up and walk out if you can. There is a lot to enjoy over all at Universal as you know - just make this attraction a miss next time. And don't feel uncomfortable about posting here, I don't think anyone is thinking anything negative about you.

Robinrs
12-29-2000, 05:18 PM
Wow, iamleia2 :eek: :

I never saw the show, either, but when I go next week I think I'll check it out, now!

I think you provided needed information, just like the Unofficial Guide did for Alien Encounter. At least people will KNOW what to expect when they do go.

I think people took offense because of the subject of your post. A warning indicated some kind of threat which, I'm just assuming, most people don't find this kind of humor threatening.

Hey, I'm from New York and you can hear this stuff with NO WARNING on the streets daily!

I appreciate the info, though, and I will let you all know what I thought of it next week...

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horseshowmom
12-30-2000, 08:28 AM
Well, iamleia2, you do seem to be in the minority here, but let me say that I appreciate your post. I've never been in the show even though we've been to US/IOA several times. However, if I ever would have considered it, I won't now. I realize the attraction is rated PG-13, but I wouldn't have guessed it was for that reason. I would have assumed it had to do with the nature of the horror genre. I don't care to be subjected to base humor either. Also, it really seems that you are being criticized for not liking that type of material. My family wouldn't have liked it either. BTW, I can't believe they actually stopped paying guests who were leaving and questioned them and then had the nerve to ridicule them during the show. I just don't see that as being funny. Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion (even us!). :)

Loric
12-30-2000, 05:40 PM
From a theatrical standpoint..

Leaving during a show, no matter how much you hate it, is incredibly rude. The actors on stage don't like it one bit. It's like saying "You suck, i'm leaving" to their face.

My point being, the people on stage during this show are probably only at the park to do the show, and also are probably in the make-up industry also. Theater-folk with backstage experience. Not good people to piss off. Backstage folks tend to take the "Rules" to heart more often than actors.

Think of it as them lecturing about their pride and joy and then you leaving. You'd get upset to. I don't condone making fun of an audience member, but with good theater-etiquette in mind, I don't think they should have left. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it's a simple matter of cause and effect.

I hope i'm making sense, it's hard to explain the theater 'rules' to someone not involved in it.. It's really really offensive to break one of the rules :P

For future reference - Da Rules:

1. Do not leave during a performance if at all avoidable.

2. Silence all pagers and cell phones BEFORE entering the theater.

3. Do not use cell phone during performance.

4. Heckling of persons on stage is forbidden.

5. Talking during a show is forbidden.

6. Do not put your feet up on the chairs.

7. Do not bring food or drink if theater posts signs saying not to.

8. Small children who cannot control themself should not be brought to the show.

And jsut to make the audience feel better.. there's a zillion more the people backstage have to follow.. (It's much more complicated, down to places you can stand according to "rank" and words you can and cannot say)

Just try to be polite and if something isn't your cup of tea, endure, it wont kill you, it's a new learning experience. If people never did things they didn't wholly enjoy then we'd never learn anything.
-Rob

tiggerfla
12-31-2000, 02:23 AM
Excuse me I have to disagree with most of you here I feel that the original poster was just trying to warn everyone about the show. personally if I am paying the amount of money that we pay to go to USF then if I don't like a show I am going to leave. In response to Lorac I feel there is a major differenc from a theme park show and say Shakespeare in the Park in reference to your list We are talking about people working in a theme park I seriously doubt they are serious actors and your rules would not apply to a theme park show. Also if I want to go and see Eddie Murphy or Chris Rock comedy for ex. I will pay to see it I don't think it belongs in a theme park show. just my two cents on the subject. :rolleyes:

jtopicz1
12-31-2000, 08:28 AM
I agree with Loric on this one. Walking out in the middle of any show is just plain rude! This is especially true for a show such as Gory, Grutesque, Horror Make-Up Show where the theater is quite small and the presentation lasts less than 20 minutes anyways. I personally love the show and it's unpredictable, and at sometimes, twisted humor. I've seen the show 20+ times (at least once, sometimes twice every visit) and I've only seen two groups walk out (generally about a whole 5 minutes before the show is over). It's not fair to the people that are enjoying the show to have an inconsiderate person get up, walk in front of everybody, usually make noice while gathering their soveniers for the day, and then opening the loud exit doors which brings sudden light into the dark theater.

I completly agree with the oringinal poster. They did not like the show, respectfully waited until it was over, and decided never to go back. There seems to be about four different actors who work the show, in groups of two, and yes some use more suggestive humor than others, but it is all meant in fun.

I do agree also that the name of the show is a little misleading, as the show is really more of a comical look at the past years of horror movies. The show involves some audience participation (they generally pick on one person the whole show). Make no mistake, the humor is at times pretty gross, but nothing worse than you'd see on the 6 o'clock news.

One post I really have to disagree with is the post that seemed to say Univesal Actor's in this show are not real actor's, therefore they shouldn't be treated with common respect you would expect in a theater (and yes the show is in a real theater). That statement is just plain wrong. The people on stage are very knowledgeable about horror movies, makeup, etc. and I'm sure there not just some $5/hr employee Universal picked up from the local high school. (To whoever originally posted that thought- sorry if this sounds like I'm attacking you, I'm not! I just strongly disagree with the opinion your entitled to).

Anyways, if you think you may want to see the show, read the park map description, read the signs/warnings outside the theater, and decide for yourself if it's for you. If you don't like it, do what the original poster did, don't go back!

Sorry if this sounds like I was attacking anyone personally. I'm not trying to, just ranting :)

Jim

Beejayjay
12-31-2000, 09:01 AM
Loric,

A few questions.

Why are backstage people not good to piss off ? Are they notorious for being violent ??? ;)

Why should you not walk out on what you consider to be a poor or offensive performance ? If I have paid hard cash (and the parks do charge very hard cash) to see a performance, of any sort, and I believe it to be that sub-standard, hey, I'm walking ! Let me make it clear I have never ever been anything less than totally happy with any show I have seen at Disney/USF, but if I did see a bad one, then I'm gonna let them know ! On the face of it walking out mid show is rude, but is it not equally disrespectful to the paying customer to put on a poor show ? If walking out tells the performer you think they suck, well then, hey, maybe they should take that on board !
Also, there is a big difference between seeing a show which isn't "your cup of tea" and a show that the customer thinks is sub par or plain offensive !

I have already said that I think Leia had totally the wrong idea about what she would see in this show, and if she was offended that is a shame, and I would say that in this case the people who walked out would have been wrong to tell the actors they found it offensive - after all there is a posted warning, and it is called the Gory Gruesome Monster Make up Show (which part of the name is not clear ?) but should they really stay put and allow their kids to see a show they believe unsuitable, just so as not to hurt the actors feelings ?

And do you really think we need the do/dont list my friend ? After all most of us are adults and know how to behave in public, a point which seems to be the prevailing opinion in replies to Leia's original post !

I dont mean any of this to sound harsh if thats the way it comes across, but I do find it a bit annoying when people try to tell me, a grown, consenting adult, how to behave or what to do or not to do !

Thats my 2 pence worth ! Bye for now !

BJJ.

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degenerationxwwfwdw1
12-31-2000, 09:46 AM
Well what have I been telling you people about USF!!!!!!!! ;-) Well I agree that the show is rated PG-13 (even though T2-3D is PG-13 too and it was very tame compared to the movies and had no offensive language)and they can sort of say anything (like a Jay Leno show) but when they make fun of guests that is where you have to draw the line. I would have went to guest relations if I heard them making fun of guests. There is no excuse for that crap. I have never seen the show (I hated most USF so much I had to leave as soon as I could). Even with all of the thrill rides IOA is MUCH more of a family park than USF. USF is a place for people who dont like Disney and dont like thrill rides. Ok I'll say that not EVERYTHING at USF is horrible but 50% of the park is a pure waste of space and should be closed for the pure suckiness of it (and suckiness insnt even a real word). I am just saying my opinion just like the person who had the bad experience so there is no need to send hate mail or tell me how much I suck or anything like that.

"Why would you waste your time with USF when you could go to WDW or IOA!"

degenerationxwwfwdw1
12-31-2000, 09:59 AM
And by the way we dont know the situation. The people that may have left might have had kids there or they could have been really rude to the performers. We dont know. I am just saying that the cast members should never make fun of other guests in front of other guests. I also didnt know that the theater is really small so I am sorry for that. But how many times have I seen people walk out of Disney shows? ALOT. The stage shows (like the show in Tomorrowland beside Buzz, Beauty and the Beast, and so on). And if I had a dollar for every person that I had seen walk out of the Tiki Room before it was updated I could retire at the age of 16. I know that some of those dont have live performers but there is someone working there that might love the show and could feel bad about that. So it isnt unusual at all for guests to walk out of shows and there are some people that dont have the patience to see anything that dosent turn them upside down or send you somewhere at a high rate of speed. I think it is sad because theater shows are a big part of theme parks.

"Why would you waste your time with USF when you could go to WDW or IOA!"

Muushka
12-31-2000, 04:50 PM
I thank you for the warning. And trust me, if I ever went to a show that was offensive, I would walk out.

iamleia2
01-01-2001, 08:07 AM
Bumping... I think this is interesting.... ;)

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

Loric
01-01-2001, 11:45 AM
Okay.. I'm going to try and not have this post removed from the boards.. but someone pissed me off just a little bit..

First things first..

Are any of you actors? Have you ever been on stage? Could you go on stage infront of an audience? Do you have any idea how hard it is to do a show?

Apparently not, maybe over in London it's not considered rude to walk out of a show, but here in the states, anyone mildly involved in theater will find it down right offensive. Even more so than any dirty joke that could possibly be made about viagra and rear ends.

The list was provided so that the clueless-ones might get a clue about how to act in a theater. There are certain ways to act in certain places, you don't goto a upscale resturant, order a beer and cheeseburger, put your feet on the table and belch outloud, though you might do that every day at your local pub. It's rude and if you believe you have some sort of "right to be rude" then you've got an attitude problem and don't be surprised when someone someday makes you regret it. People who work in parks are human beings and deserve the same respect as anyone else and are NEVER to be considered lesser than thou and put on the earth to serve you. A long time ago the states did away with slavery and I will not quietly condone such treatment of people. Respect people's rights, ALL of them.
-Rob

jtopicz1
01-01-2001, 12:27 PM
Ahhh.....very well said Loric, if not a bit on the snappy side.:D I think everyone's probably stated their points by now and made decisions about the show and what they would do on their own. Anyways it may be a good idea if we quit debating this subject, I'm sure everyone's made up their own mind on the issue, and it doesn't look good to visitors to the board if they see closed threads due to arguing. This was actually kind of a fun topic as it could relate to many themepark type shows (Poseidons Fury, Terminator, etc.). Thanks everyone who has been participating, I really enjoyed everyones views especially Leia, Loric, Jon, and others (not to say I agreed with all of them). Hope we have more good threads like this in the future. I'm actually surprised (and happy) that the moderators allowed us to keep this debate going!

Jim

jtopicz1
01-01-2001, 12:35 PM
And even though I just said I thought we should end this debate I suddenly feel the need to rant again...hehe :) One thing I think many people who say "I would walk out" don't understand is:
1) This is only a 20 minute show (not a two hour theater epic). Sit and enjoy the stage props and ignore the actor's if the show isn't to your liking.
2) The show may be considered "offensive" by some but it is certainly not "R" rated. I agree the humor can be a bit twisted, but if your children are old enough to "get the joke", I'm sure they've heard it all before. I wouldn't say anything in the show is vulgar.
3) There are signs outside and the park guide describes what you should expect in the show. You know you are going to see a PG-13 event! Would you choose to go to a strip bar and then complain to management that you don't like what you see?


Thanks for listening,
Jim

Sandyincanada
01-01-2001, 04:14 PM
We skipped this last year but now I'm curious. We'll be there in 9 days and now we'll have to check it out. LOL

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Beejayjay
01-01-2001, 05:28 PM
Its Ok my friend, you can use my handle, I think everyone has figured out who pissed you off dude !

I have a few points to raise about your reply to my previous post.

I was not suggesting I have any right to be rude or to think anybody deserves lesser treatment from me because of what they do. I will, however, forever assert my right to protest at poor service, poor quality or a poor performance.

You say at the end of your reply that we should "Respect peoples rights - all of them" - does that not include my right to let someone who is being paid to provide me with any kind of service know that I am not satisfied ?

I actually doubt very much if I personally would walk out on a performance, of any type, unless its content was so offensive that it may be a matter of law ! But I defend anybody's right to do so if they wish ! Personal right of choice matters to me rather more than offending the sensibilities of an actor or performer !

I love America, and find the people terrific - I also know that you are among the quickest of people to take issue with poor service, and quite rightly ! It was not till I came to your country that I realised just how bad service can be in my homeland !

And as for your list of do's and dont's, in the maybe 12 times I have been to the parks and all the various shows, the behaviour of the audience has been nothing but exemplary. That is one reason it is such a pleasure to go to the parks in Florida !

We will obviously never agree on the walking out issue, but please, please allow we other adults to express an opinion on any subject without taking it as a personal affront to you - that was never my intention, I was merely stating my opinion. I am not trying to impose my views on anyone, I was trying to suggest that just because we may disagree with another persons view, they should still be allowed to express it without being harangued by others who dont like that opinion ! Apologies if I upset you Loric !

One last point raised by the original post - if the performers did make fun of the people who walked out, yes I would agree that, without knowing what was said, that does appear to be disrespectful and unfair. However, I dont necessarily think it is that unusual or always unpleasant - anybody who has seen the warm up guys for the Clyde & Seymore show at Seaworld knows what I mean !

Ok; I've said my piece.. again !! ;)
Lets not let this come between us Loric ! I hope to live in Florida some day, and I dont want to be looking over my shoulder for you at WDW or USF ! ;)

Happy New Year to All DISers !!

BJJ.

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[This message was edited by Beejayjay on 01-01-01 at 08:36 PM.]

Bob O
01-01-2001, 06:20 PM
Im sorry you didnt like the show but me and my family always have enjoyed the show and were very upset it wasnt running the day we were at universal studios florida. I like the fact it is a little more adult oriented and found it very funny, escpecially when then they pick a person from the crowd to use during their comedic bits. I would highly recommed the show to everyone and wish wdw would have some type of similiar entertainment. The last several years we saw the show they had the two same guys doing the show and they were great together.

XAVIER
01-02-2001, 04:35 AM
Thanks for the warning Leia this doesn't sound like my kind of show - the content might have been interesting but the humour does sound a bit base (I like vulgar jokes as much as anyone but there is a time and a place for them). And thanks to Loric for pointing out that leaving would offend the actors, which I don't think would be the case so much over here. Personnally I would only leave if I could have sneaked out without bothering any of the other people in the audience but I would not have worried about what the actors thought!
Great thread - wonder how long it would have lasted on the Disney boards though?

Happy new year all! :D

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iamleia2
01-02-2001, 07:50 AM
I would just like to say a little in defense of the people who left. They were sitting in the back and they did try to just sneak out. It was the actors who drew attention to them so it's their own fault. What if they had had to go meet someone or something though? It is a theme park after all and our family usually splits up and meets back somewhere. My point is that I would think that they would be pretty used to people having to leave anyway, since it's a theme park. Some things are just more important then not offending the actors I believe. If it was a huge production, I could see your point, because it's also rude to those who are watching the show. But these people weren't bothering anyone, until the actors brought attention to it. Most people probably wouldn't have even noticed. But that's just my opinion. I didn't want people to hate these two strangers. ;) They probably didn't think anything of it at the time and weren't trying to be rude. Thanks for posting everyone!

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narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
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magic that begins the
happily ever after."
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KFISCHER
01-02-2001, 08:27 AM
APPARENTLY MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GIVING YOU HEAT MISSED THE WHOLE POINT HERE.

YOU DID A TRUE SERVICE BY INFORMING, AND HOPEFULLY, ENLIGHTENING PEOPLE ABOUT THIS ATTRACTION.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE CRITICIZED AT ALL FOR THAT. YOU PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT MANY OF US CAN NOW USE TO MAKE OUR OWN JUDGMENT.

AS FOR LORIC: I'VE BEEN TO MANY A THEATRICAL EVENT...NOWHERE ON THE TICKET DOES IT SAY I MUST SIT AND STAY FOR THE ENTIRE PERFORMANCE.

SORRY, LORIC. I DON'T LIKE IT, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GET UP AND LEAVE.

JuviRex11
01-02-2001, 03:16 PM
Ok, Im not exactly what you'd call a major theatrical actor, but I have experience. In a few months I play Sir Edward Ramsay in a production of The King and I. I would be rather pissed if a group of people walked out. I have worked hard memorizing lines and them doing that draws attention away from the stage. And its not just leaving either, they probably whispered before they left to each other in order to communicate their feelings, once again disrupting the actors. My opinion is to grin and bear it. And for you people who strongly complain to everyone, I'm sorry, but it is not Universal's duty to please every single person. Everyone has different tastes, and if you dont like it, oh well, you just wasted $42. Count your loses and go on ET again.

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Beejayjay
01-03-2001, 03:29 AM
"Those of you who complain to everyone" ?

The inference of your statement is that any one who ever complains is whinging for the sake of it. Have you been so fortunate that you have never been in a situation where you are unhappy with a product you have purchased, a meal you have bought or a show/performance you have seen ? Lucky you ! Unfortunately not all of us have your good fortune. If you have and did not complain, then how will can the person or company providing the item/service in question ever improve ? Is a teacher that corrects an error in a pupils work just doing it for the sake of it or to help the pupil improve ?

And you are right to say that Universal is not duty bound to provide entertainment that every single visitor will enjoy or find appropriate, indeed that is an impossibilty ! However, they do have a duty to provide you with a quality of service/performance that is appropriate to what they advertise it as and charge for it. I believe they more than do that, but that does not mean the person next to me agrees, and it must be his or her right to say so if they wish ! You can argue the point with them but you cannot deny them the right to express their own opinion just because we may not agree.

Good luck with the play dude !

BJJ.

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[This message was edited by Beejayjay on 01-03-01 at 06:38 AM.]

Mare
01-03-2001, 06:53 AM
We've gone to this show twice, once in '99, once in '00.

Thought it was great in '99, less so in '00 because it's basically the same show--kind of like watching a repeat (not too many surprises, and therefore would most likely not go back next trip)--although we did have 2 different sets of actors, both very good and entertaining.

I assumed before the show that my big concern would be how scary or gross it would be for our 3 kids, especially my youngest (7). Nothing he, or the others, couldn't handle. I basically based my decision to go on the Unofficial Guide, which gives a positive review; we went to see for ourselves, and we enjoyed it.

Never heard a joke we thought of as "vulgar". I restrict what my kids watch on TV--how much they watch, what they watch, and then if necessary, turn it off as soon as something unexpectedly inappropriate comes on. I'm sure some of this show went over my DSs head...a lot in life does! lol I don't recall anything specific, because there just wasn't--when we went--anything that left a negative impression.

The most humor came from the hosts' interaction with the person in the audience that they chose to participate, and boy, did they make good choices! Very funny, and the participants seem to get a real kick out of it. :D

If I had to leave to meet someone else, and was asked why I was leaving, I'd just go with the flow and say...uh..."I have to leave to meet someone else." :rolleyes: Although, I wouldn't think of entering a show that I'd have to walk out of, especially when the times are clearly stated.

It's a small, closed theater, and it does make it "noticeable" when someone leaves; there's also an intimacy to this show--the actors are talking TO the audience, and I'd have to really be po'd before I'd walk away from anyone talking TO me. And maybe these people were...and maybe they just have less respect for performers, and were leaving because they wanted to do something else instead; who knows. But it's not like many of the "open" theaters where people kind of come and go. If you're walking out, you're making a statement, and since it is comedy, the comedians are very likely to...uh...make a joke about it. ;)

BTW, one of the hosts we saw was also in the film at the Triceratops Encounter.

[This message was edited by Mare on 01-03-01 at 10:00 AM.]

Nan
01-04-2001, 05:50 PM
Wow! We saw this show in August and there was a guy and a girl doing it. As I remember, we really enjoyed it. I can't remember them doing hairy butt or viagra jokes. I will think twice before recommending it since things have obviously changed, though. We did learn things about how they make fake blood and several other things. Anyway, Rob, if I have paid to see a show and the people on stage are offending me, I could care less if I offend them by leaving.

AgentX
01-21-2001, 02:52 PM
Hey guys,
I know just about every point has been beaten to death, but an actor (not in that show) at Universal I feel I must add my 2 cents. First, everyone has their own tolerence level. I love South Park, but aren't big on the Mr. Hanky episodes . . .doesn't make me a prude. Leia mistakenly thought that the Make-up show was going to be instructional, but in reality it is a scripted show performed by Actors (NOT real make-up men) who have to do the 20 minute show several times a day, four (or more) days a week. By the very nature of that mistake she was already going to be disappointed.

While this is not an excuse, boredom lends itself to goofing off and sometimes we (actors)make the mistake of entertaining each other, and not the audience. The couple that left shouldn't have been mocked if they did sneak out quietly as reported, but if they were in any way distracting . . the actor will usually call attention to it because everyone else knows what's going on. Shows are always changable due to the wild card of the audience's energy . . .you may sense the audience is not enjoying themselves and in the frantic attempt to win them back, you overcompensate and alienate them further. That's what makes theatre live . . .

Thanks to those of you who supported the show, and thanks to those of you honest enough to say it wasn't what they expected. That's why there's chocolate and Vanilla . . .different tastes.

And by the way, the duck juice joke was always kinda gross to me too . . . ;)

Sandyincanada
01-21-2001, 04:55 PM
Since it was brought back up, we went to see it last week. Thought it was very funny. All the kids in the audience were laughing including ours.

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iamleia2
01-22-2001, 05:00 AM
Wow! I can't believe this topic is back! Who knew it would be so controversial. ;) I would just like to reply to one post I read. The people did not whisper and they were not drawing attention to themselves in any way. I was sitting in the back row so I could see the whole theater and I didn't notice them leaving until the actor said something. And by the time the actor said something they were almost out the door anyway! But noooooo... he has to stop and make fun of them. It just made me wonder if there was ever another time that we were in the park and an employee made fun of us in front of other guests without us knowing about it... hmmm..... And obviously they can't please everyone. That is why I made the post in the first place! So that those who don't like that kind of humor could avoid this show and not have any unpleasant memories! I never said anything about everyone having to agree with me... And it was not a waste of $42. I already said numerous times that I enjoyed the rest of the park, did I not? <IMG SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="confused"> I hope all of you who are going soon will have a grrrreeeaaattt time! Happy vacationing! :D ;) :D ;) :D ;) :D

"The magic is as wide
as a smile and as
narrow as a wink, loud
as laughter and quiet
as a tear, tall as a tale
and deep as emotion.
So strong, it can lift the
spirit. So gentle, it can
touch the heart. It is the
magic that begins the
happily ever after."
THAT is Disney! ;-)

cardaway
01-22-2001, 10:55 AM
Although I saw noboby walk out in our recent trip I did see two two yound Asian ladies used as the butt of their jokes after their diffuculty with English was discovered. I see this all the time in Comedy Clubs, so I was not shocked although I wouldn't have blamed the two ladies if they turned and left and complained. To the credit of the actors, I felt they didn't go too far and I do believe they would have backed off it the reaction was negative, but the crowd and the ladies seemed to be enjoying it.

In response to the actors who said folks should not walk out. If you suck you suck and walking out is a perfect way to show it. If I paid my money and am willing to walk out, then that is my business and I am not being rude to anybody except maybe those I have to displace by moving. This actually happened a few months back in the Pocohantas show in the AK, they only thing that kept me from walking was knowing that the show was short and I didn't need to try and get out with only ten minutes left. If this had been a longer show I would have bolted because there are other things to do with my well spent money in the park to not waste time in a bad show.

[This message was edited by Barry Hom on 01-22-01 at 02:58 PM.]

No11's Mom
01-22-2001, 11:27 AM
NM156 -

I hope you realize that just because you don't enjoy or appreciate a performance does not mean it "sucks". It may mean your taste runs to other types of entertainment but it does not give you the right to be rude. I'm sure all of the performer's are doing the best with the material they are given to work with. Remember, one man's Battlefield Earth may be another man's Shakespeare.

Shirley
01-22-2001, 01:02 PM
I have just ploughed through all the replies to this with interest. We didn't get to visit this attraction when we were there last year 'cause we just didn't have time but it has intrigued me enough to want to go to it when I go in March. One question, I have two children, 10 and 8. Will they be able to go in if its PG13 (is that just a recommendation) or should I not take them in?

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01-22-2001, 01:27 PM
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No11's Mom
01-22-2001, 01:32 PM
Shirley,

You can take your kids in the show. My son was 10 the first time he saw it. We've seen it twice and it was funny each time.

Have fun!

Donna R.

Sandyincanada
01-22-2001, 07:20 PM
Our kids are 14 & 11. The jokes they do are quick and alot of them go over kids heads. Its the show and the funny things that happen that kids laugh about.

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cardaway
01-23-2001, 06:45 AM
Well said, I guess it is possible somebody liked that Pocohantas show, and saying it sucks would be my opinion. Be aware that I was trying to give my opinion and not a review of the show. If I were to review the show however, I would say it's not worth your time unless you have seen everything else and have nothing better to do.