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tnkrbell
11-09-2003, 07:04 PM
I read this on snopes and wondered if this was true??(www.snopes.com)

"We had a guy last summer who went to EPCOT, stood in front of the golf ball, took a gun, and blew his head off. But he didn't die. He stood right there in front of all those tourists and went "cluck" and brains blew everywhere. But he didn't die there. The medic told me that they are not allowed to let them die there. Keep them alive by artificial means until they're off Disney property, like there's an imaginary line in the road and they go, "He's alive, he's alive, he's Dead"

I have never heard of this and wondered if anyone else has heard this?? Is it true??? I knew someone hee would have the trueth!:)

patsal
11-10-2003, 10:05 AM
Sounds like an urban legend to me!

Mahorn
11-10-2003, 10:15 AM
If you go to snopes.com it will tell you that this is just an urban legend.


Going in 54 days Yeah:earsboy: :earsboy: :earsgirl:

mitros
11-10-2003, 03:28 PM
You said he went "cluck", did he shoot himself with a chicken? :confused: :p

Testtrack321
11-10-2003, 05:17 PM
No, just the over price chicken strips.

I doubt this happened. I mean, you would have heard it somehwere.

But the story that people cannot be declared dead on Disney property is somewhat correct. While people have 'died' on Disney property, they arn't officially declared dead, but Florida law, untill they are inspected by someone at the hospital

No hospitals on Dinsey property= no deaths.

tnkrbell
11-10-2003, 05:52 PM
Mahorn, that is where I got this info on Snopes under deaths and it didnt say it was an urban legend tht is why it peeked my interest.:)

mitros, that is what the quote said on snopes just copy and pasted so Im not sure what that ment!!

I figured this was an Urban legend but it didnt say anything about it being one on snopes and they usually have good info, but I agree I think we would of heard of hthis before that is why I posted this here( one the rumors board) to see if anyone else has heard this.

DMDSTPRGIL
11-10-2003, 07:24 PM
What a subject for fans. Oh well.I was able to make a few phone calls to see if this was true. It is not. There have been a number of suicides on Disney property over the years. Most have been over doses in the hotel rooms or in parked cars. A couple of drownings at verious locations but no one clucking off there heads at EPCOT. As far as no one being pronounced dead at Disney World,that's not true. If it is an incident that just happened then yes only a Doctor can pronounce the person dead so they will work on them till a doctor at the hospital can do that. But thats true for everwhere else in Florida. If they come accross someone who's been dead for a period of time then the medical examiner will come to the scene and pronounce them dead on the spot,Disney or not.That has happened a number of times over the years. Disney does hide alot of there stats on crime and incidents,but one like you have listed still would have been well covered by the media.

sha_lyn
11-22-2003, 10:56 AM
Mahorn, that is where I got this info on Snopes under deaths and it didnt say it was an urban legend tht is why it peeked my interest.

It says right on the snopes page that it is false
http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/declare.htm

tnkrbell
11-23-2003, 07:32 AM
Ok first off I obviously miss read it!! My apologies! ! !That is why I posted it here on the rumor board because I was pretty sure it was not true but figured someone here would know. I did not realise I would be looked down on as not being a Disney fan because of it.:mad:

tnkrbell
11-23-2003, 07:35 AM
This is the article maybe if you read it you will see why I was not sure about it.
Claims: Disney
can legitmately claim that no one has ever died at one of their theme parks, because they always ensure that accident victims are removed from park property before being declared dead.
Status: False.

Origins: This legend is a tricky subject to tackle, because it's based upon the fine (and often confusing) distinction between actual death and declared death. For example, if a seriously-injured victim of an automobile accident were loaded into a ambulance and died en route to the hospital, generally would not be officially declared dead until he arrived at the hospital and was examined by a doctor. The difference in time between the actual physical death of the patient and the declaration of death by the doctor is the discrepancy on which this legend turns.

So, the claim here is not that no one has ever actually died on Disney theme park property, but whether Disney can legitimately make the claim that "no one has ever died at a Disney park" because they ensure that any declaration of death takes place outside of park property.

As such, there are really two questions which must be answered:

Does Disney really attempt to get injured (or already-dead) persons off their property before any declaration of death occurs?

Has Disney always been successful in this effort?
The first question is difficult to answer, because obviously Disney isn't going to discuss such a sensitive issue. Some former Disney employees have reported that the "no one dies on Disney property" maxim is indeed a company policy; that, as suggested in the book Inside the Mouse, "if guests have the nerve to die, they wait, like unwanted calories, until they've crossed the line and can do so safely off the property":

We had a guy last summer who went to EPCOT, stood in front of the golf ball, took a gun, and blew his head off. But he didn't die. He stood right there in front of all those tourists and went "cluck" and brains blew everywhere. But he didn't die there. The medic told me that they are not allowed to let them die there. Keep them alive by artificial means until they're off Disney property, like there's an imaginary line in the road and they go, "He's alive, he's alive, he's dead."
In all fairness, however, it should be noted that in some jurisdictions once paramedics begin life-saving efforts they cannot discontinue those efforts until the patient has been transported to a medical facility, even if the patient is obviously dead; therefore, what someone might interpret as "flogging a dead body" to delay a determination of death could actually be a legally required procedure. Moreover, the sprawling size and relative isolation of the Walt Disney World complex in Florida make it imperative that persons in need of urgent medical attention be loaded into helicopters and transported to hospitals as quickly as possible. The combination of these two factors makes it rather unlikely that anyone would actually be declared dead on Walt Disney World property, regardless of how The Walt Disney Company felt about the matter.

Declared deaths on Disney property apparently have happened before, however, as reported by The New York Times in an article about a 1984 plane crash in the EPCOT parking lot:
A man was pronounced dead at the scene. A woman and a 2-year-old child died after being taken to a hospitals. The two survivors, a 3-year-old girl and a 5-year-old boy, were listed in critical condition at Orlando Regional Medical Center.
In California as well, news accounts have mentioned instances while accident victims were declared dead while on Disneyland property, as in this 1985 Los Angeles Times report of a girl who was crushed to death under the wheels of a tour bus in the Disneyland parking lot:
The identity of the girl, who was pronounced dead at the scene, was not released pending notification of her parents, according to Sgt. Larry Kurtz. The driver of the bus was not held.
(The recent case of a man's dying on Big Thunder Mountain railroad might be another example of a declared death on Disneyland property, but sufficient details about that incident are not yet available.)

Disney is, of course, well known for their image consciousness. They have been criticized in the past for policies such not allowing marked emergency vehicles into their parks (so as not to upset park guests), and so many people perceive them as being willing and overzealous enough to stretch a semantic point for a minor public relations advantage.
Last updated: 6 September 2003

rangebob
11-26-2003, 10:23 AM
I am an EMT here in Florida. You are correct that a Dr is the only person that can claim a person dead on most cases. We are allowed to claim a death if there obvious brain matter showing. If the gun shot victem blew his brains all over the medics that would have show up would have declaired him dead there. We are told by the law that if they are obviously dead and no chance to be brought back (serious brain matter or decapitaion of the head) we are to cover them and make a note of the Time of Death. If the person doesn't have either of those two problems we are to do everything that we can do to keep them alive.

cindyfan
11-26-2003, 10:27 AM
Some one please close this thread! :rolleyes:

tnkrbell
12-01-2003, 05:23 PM
cindyfan, If you have a problem with this thread then stop reading it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have been a Diser for many years and have never had a problem posting anything!!! I am not trying to cause a problem I had a question I thought this was the correct place to post it!!
I am really upset at how this got misunderstood!

mitros
12-01-2003, 05:35 PM
Good advice!

cindyfan
12-01-2003, 06:24 PM
tnkrbell,
no need to be so sensitive.
I guess we just have different opinions as to what we feel is appropiate on this board.
It wasn't the initial question, but some of the "brain matter" responses that I felt inappropriate.

I look for HAPPY, EXCITING AND FUN news and rumors.

yes, you are right ........you had a question, and I hope it was answered so that this thread will fade away.


And yes, I have stopped reading it.
bye:wave2:

phamton
12-01-2003, 08:19 PM
I have been a snopester for many years, since 1996. David Mikkelson (snopes) is not saying it happened but was quoting from the book "Inside the Mouse." If you are familiar with that book you would know it is full of urban legends as it is mostly stories told by cast members. They are not verified stories and most are rumors passed down from cast member to cast member. That is just one of their stories. He used it as an example of the legend of no one dies at Disney and wasn't using it as a true story that actually happened.

LoriMistress
12-01-2003, 09:12 PM
Scopes is pretty accurate when it comes to getting information (expecially Urban Legands). Though, it has been true in the past that Paramedics would keep someone "alive" until they were off of Disney property...but until the whole BTM ordeal...they did report that one man did die on DL property.

caparamedic
12-03-2003, 11:06 AM
OK....this is one area I can be the "expert" in.

As a Paramedic with Reedy Creek I can tell you that "Yes Virginia, people DIE at Disney World".

We try, but can't save everyone. When grandma is found cold and not breathing with obvious signs of death in the morning, we don't even think about resusitation. We call the Orange or Osceola County Sherrif and then the Orange or Osceola County Medical Examiner to pick up the body. We then focus our attention on helping the family deal with the situation. Same thing for people who have jumped from the Contemporary's roof and land on the fourth floor or if they have been found in the Seven Seas Lagoon on the second day of searching. These events actually happened on the same day and with the same paramedic responding. Poor guy and bad day!

When someone is in cardiac arrest, they are not breathing and have no pulse, they are DEAD! We will try to reverse that, of course, and will begin BLS and ALS immediately and transport to the nearest emergency room (Celebration Health or Sand Lake Hospital).

Disney may say people don't die at Disney World, but the fire department follows the Orange County Medical Director's protocols. See www.reedycreek.org for more information on the Fire Department.

Most of the time we don't drive our well marked emergency vehicles in the park for safety reasons, but can get close enough to quickly move back to the vehicle with our stretcher. If we have to, we WILL drive right into the park with an ambulance, engine, tower truck or whatever equipment we need. Been there, done that too. :cool:

mitros
12-03-2003, 04:59 PM
Outstanding! Now we have a professional opinion. Straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. And by the way,caparamedic, thanks for the great job you guys and gals do day in and day out. You are true heroes! God bless you!