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BC
08-22-2003, 06:18 PM
I am not trying to discourage booking thru Disney or make this a thread about DVC, but I just wondered what the advantage other than housekeeping service there is to pay so much more thru CRO rather than an owner?

Stimpy
08-22-2003, 06:22 PM
We never rented points because it involves alot of trust on both sides. You have to be really confident that the person you are renting from is trustworthy. I'm sure 99% of the DVC members are reliable but you never know. If I go through CRO, I don't have to worry about being the victim of a scam.

Plus, I don't think most people know that they can rent points from DVC members. I didn't find out about it until a few months ago myself.

Now that we just bought into DVC, we don't have to worry about it! :)

~Sparkly~Zoe
08-22-2003, 06:56 PM
Explain to me how to rent the points and show me where to get them from and I will have no problem doing it!

How many points per night does it take? How much is the cost of that versus a steep discount?

thessaly
08-22-2003, 07:05 PM
It seems like a pretty good deal. There is an entire DVC rent/trade forum here on the DIS.

As mentioned above, though, it requires trust. The reservations are not in your name (I think?) so you don't have the same level of control... And you don't get daily housekeeping.

diathoney
08-22-2003, 07:09 PM
In addition to the enormous amount of trust involved, I know some DVC members do not like the fact that other DVC members rent points. There have been several threads on this board about that topic (with a lot of negativity).

If you rent through Disney, maid service is included, you can easily cancel or move the reservation if you need to and you can pay by credit card.

We are renting points for our September visit. We were fortunate to find a great DVC owner to rent from and are very excited about our BCV stay. Would I do it again? Based on some of the threads from DVC owners that I've seen lately, I'm just not sure.

diathoney
08-22-2003, 07:11 PM
thessaly - the reservations ARE in the renters name, not the owners. I don't think I would have rented otherwise. I am trusting, but not THAT trusting...:D

thessaly
08-22-2003, 07:51 PM
Yeah, I guess it would be hard to check in otherwise. :) My bad.

DebbieB
08-22-2003, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by diathoney
thessaly - the reservations ARE in the renters name, not the owners. I don't think I would have rented otherwise. I am trusting, but not THAT trusting...:D

Even though the reservation is in your name, the member still controls it. You should have a written contract.

One thing to watch - points are much higher on weekends. For example, I paid cash for part of my OKW stay in May. Friday and Saturday nights in a 1 bedroom were 48 points each, which would be $480 for $10 a point. AP rate was $270.

diathoney
08-22-2003, 08:10 PM
Good points DebbieB! We are checking in Sunday and out on Friday to avoid the high weekend points.:bounce:

Pamlur
08-22-2003, 08:13 PM
When I made our reservations at BCV, I didn't know about this board and didn't know about renting points. But I like the idea of mousekeeping daily, and the washing machine detergent, etc. Then the FTP really made the whole thing nice!

AdventurerKat
08-22-2003, 09:18 PM
Yes, it does involve some trust but I will say I have never been burned. (knock on wood) I generally rent from people who have been around here for a long while and can give references and I have bought on eBay once from someone who had VERY high feedback including some on his rentals. I have gotten OKW for as little as $9.00 a point before for a Sunday through Thurs in slow season (8 points per night) for a rate of $72.00 a day. Even if you wanted to add in housekeeping every day at $25.00 a day, it still comes in at under $100.00 a night and that is one heck of a bargain!

diathoney
08-23-2003, 11:06 AM
AdventureKat - Wow! What an awesome deal.

I've been very pleased with my dealing with the DVC owner I'm renting from - real nice person. There's no way we could have done a one bedroom on our budget through Disney.

~Sparkle~Zoe - there is a short-cut to a points calculator at the top of the DVC rent/trade forum. What I did is watch the DVC rent/trade forum until I saw someone with points to rent during the period I wanted to stay. I e-mailed, and my offer was accepted. The reservation was made in my name, I sent a deposit and the paper work was mailed to me. I verified the reservation. I paid the final payment 45 days before our stay begins.

As you can see, there is opportunity for unscrupulous people to take advantage. I felt comfortable with my owner after a few e-mails. We've chatted since then too. It's been a good experience for us. Hopefully the BCV will be all we expect (i think it will) and then it will be a wonderful thing!;)

However I will definitely miss Mousekeeping! But I'm too "thrifty" to pay the $25 a day extra to have them.:p

~Sparkly~Zoe
08-23-2003, 11:28 AM
Thank you for the explanation!

magicmouse2
08-23-2003, 11:34 AM
I got OKW 2 bed for almost half price by renting through a dvc member. I also booked via WDWTC for dates that overan weekends in order to save a few dollars too;)

This is our first stay at a DVC and we are testing the water in order to invest. If the villa and location works its magic we will probably attend a DVC info session and look at purchasing points ourselves - especially the way Ap Discounts seem to be phasing out now. We have 3 kids so I think it would be a good investment.

BC
08-23-2003, 09:02 PM
Even if the room is booked in my name and I even receive a confirmation, isn't there a chance the person I rent from could cancel my ressie after they receive my money and try to keep their points? I know this sounds so suspicious, but it's alot of money and this day and time who knows!! Is there any way to prevent this from happening?

cherylp3
08-23-2003, 09:19 PM
As a DVC member who has rented don't forget its a risk for us too because if the renter would cancel our points go into holding..

I myself rented points: I chose someone who had over 50 posts and when I got my confirmation sheet I was able to confirm my reservation.
Cheryl

CarolA
08-23-2003, 09:44 PM
I will say that one reason you might not rent points is that points are not avaialbe. I have always used all my points or given them to family/friends. While there are posts on the rent/trade board, my gut feeling is that 90% of the DVC owners are like me and use up all our points.

diathoney
08-24-2003, 02:37 PM
BC - Absolutely! That's where the trust part comes in. Some people use a written contract; others get references from previous renters (via DIS boards). It's all about what you feel comfortable with. I don't know if I would rent from a poster that has just joined the boards. My DVC owner hadn't been on the boards long, but I was comfortable with the reasoning behind their renting the points.

BC
08-24-2003, 05:36 PM
I don't imagine anyone on these boards is going to "dog" someone on these forums. How did you go about getting a contract? Also Diathoney, we LOVE Clearwater! Wish I were there!!

diathoney
08-25-2003, 11:08 AM
BC - I didn't do either. My DVC owner had recently purchased, so had never rented their points before - no references. I've only seen posts to rental threads, someone says they rented from this person. We didn't do a contract, just followed the guidelines on the DVC Rent/Trade (static thread at the top of the board). I've seen links to contracts on threads in the Disney Vacation Club Forum. Sorry I can't point you directly to the contract thread, I didn't bookmark it.

Before I rented, I spent a lot of time browsing the DVC boards here to get an idea of how people liked it and what problems they had.

pstepka
08-25-2003, 11:15 AM
We just got back from 5 nights at BCV, thank to renting points from a DVC DIS member and would (and will, in fact) do it again in a heartbeat! We stayed at CB for the two weekend nights, but decided that the moving, tipping bell services, etc. was not worth saving the extra money. Next time we'll do 7 nights at BCV. It's still a great bargain over booking direct through Disney.

Pam

diathoney
08-25-2003, 01:48 PM
pstepka - Sounds like we're doing the same thing! We check in on Sunday and out on Friday. I thought about adding a weekend night at the beginning or end, but we live pretty close (1.5 hours) and go to Disney pretty frequently, so we decided 5 nights was enough. My DH is not quite the Disney nut the rest of us are!

Jen D
08-25-2003, 02:01 PM
I have rented points from an owner, and had a great experience, and would definitely do it again. However, there are plenty of reasons I would book through CRO if I had to. There is definitely risk, and inconvenience involved with renting from a member. Risk that you're going to get shafted (although with safeguards, the risk is low) and inconvenience in that it is customary to pay for a large part if not all of the ressie upfront, and often you have to reserve far, far in advance of your vacation to get the space you want. And once you're reserve, you are more or less locked in and can't cancel. Also, I have seen code discounts appear for Home Away from Home accomodations, and some of them are quite good-- particularly for OKW, and also for the others. Renting is the most economical if you are looking at Sunday-Thursday nights-- even adding in one weekend night, but once you're looking at using a lot of weekend nights-- like arriving on a Saturday for instance, and leaving the following Sunday, it isn't such a fabulous deal anymore. Those weekend nights can kill you. CRO makes no such distinction. Anyway, I would definitely consider renting again if I wanted to stay at those resorts, but if I could get a comparable CRO reservation for just a couple hundred more or less, I might do that because of the risk and inconvenience built into renting.

Just my two cents.

welovedis
08-25-2003, 03:03 PM
Well I am in the process of renting points and I think it is going to be terrific to stay at the BWV for 11 nights for $130 per night! There is no way you can beat that with an AP rate or anything else that I can think of, so am pleased as punch with what we are getting.

I think that most people shy away from it because of the amount of trust you need to complete the transaction. Plus if you are not sure of your plans or itinerary, then renting points would be a con since you usually need to pay a decent deposit and then pay in advance of your arrival.

My terms with the seller are $500 down after I receive the confirmation showing my name on the ressie, and the remainder due before Dec 1st--our trip is in mid-Jan. I have no problem with paying ahead since our plans are set, our airfare is booked, etc...

Also, some others mentioned, there is no daily Mousekeeping, just trash & towel service on certain days and then a full clean later on in the stay. You can always pay for additional services, but we are not going to opt for that since we keep our room pretty clean.

Anyway-there are lots of pros and cons to both. I would read lots of posts on the subject before you make a decision. The DVC forums are terrific and the folks there will help you out with any questions-they have the answers! :)

Good Luck!

Dancind
08-25-2003, 03:16 PM
Here's another theory as to why folks book through CRO. Right now the Rent/Trade board is filled with hopeful renters trying to rent points for trips between Sept. and Dec. of this year, but they need reservations. Most of them want to stay at BCV, BWV, or WLV. These resorts have been booked for months, as they are equally popular with DVC owners. Noone can help them, and they aren't getting any replies to their posts. I was able to book an October trip a couple of months ago for a few nights in a 2 BR at OKW, but that was kind of luck. I also booked a stay next May with no problem for a renter wanting a stay at BCV and OKW. That guy had rented before, and knew to plan ahead. I don't think anyone at DVC has a problem with points being rented out that I have seen. We always use all our points, but wanted to cruise next year and are renting points to pay for that. Anyway, to rent points for a DVC stay, you have to plan ahead. Diana

faithinkarma
08-25-2003, 07:15 PM
I have rented points for an upcoming trip in November. My son has rented for his January trip. It is a first time venture for both of us. But I feel quite comfortable with the process.

I may be mistaken, but it seems to me, that if anyone had been ripped off, there would be posts about it somewhere. This is such a helpful group of people. Most would want to make sure it did not happen to anyone else.

Do I have those rose colored glasses on again?