Problem at VB Pool - Tresspassers

[RJake1]

I complained to the recreation mgr at VB after I noticed several obvious non-DVC members (tresspassers) sneaking into pool. I thought it odd that Disney built VB right next to public access beach. All the tresspassers have to do is walk down beach to VB boardwalk, then onto VB property, and zip into pool. There is really nothing to stop them. The gate to pool requires card entry, but so many people go in/out its not a problem to enter w/out a card. VB posted a staffer at the gate after I complained. The rec mgr said they are aware of the ongoing problem but don't have a solution for it.

[PamOKW]

They have been working on this since the resort opened. All of Florida's beaches are open to the public so people could always walk up from the waterfront.

Besides the gate, they also require (or did in the past) that you show your resort ID to order food from the snack bar and I also think to get towels. I've seen the lifeguards ask people to leave as well.

I have no idea what makes folks so bold. I even knew a "friend of a friend" who lived in the area. These were very wealthy people who wintered in Vero and then moved down there permanently. They thought nothing of bringing their grandchildren to the resort pool for the afternoon! This was when the resort first opened and before the gate was installed. I haven't heard whether that stopped them.

[donald@home]

How hard are they working on finding a solution for it? I would imagine there are a number of things they could do to crack down on it including issuing wrist bands, having a CM take a walk around the pool deck and ask to see peoples resort IDs, having a staff member at the gate asking to see peoples IDs as they enter the pool area... etc. etc. etc.

[vernon]

there are a number of things they could do to crack down on it including issuing wrist bands they tried it, people/kids kept taking them off. It caused a lot of hassle but I think they may still do this at major public holidays.
having a CM take a walk around the pool deck and ask to see peoples resort IDs Tried it, guests complained about getting hassledhaving a staff member at the gate asking to see peoples IDs as they enter the pool area Think they tried this as well, but if BC (SAB) is anything to go by guests complain about this "intrusion" when only one out of a group of 5,6,7 12... has valid ID as few people want to take all their roomkeys/ID etc to the pool/beach all day.

I know they are fully aware of the problem and have tried ( and continue to do so) to curtail this abuse as much as possible without making the valid guests feel like they are in a prison camp. As Pam correctly points out some of these interlopers are incredably bold and will think nothing of "fronting up" a CM and making a scene "I'll report you how dare you question me .... etc". Without posting a guard on each of the gates ( 2 or 3??) all day everyday it's not easy to irradicate this practice.

[Uncleromulus]

Hmm:
How about a sign "'Private Property" no tresspasing??
I know there are some local, private pools in Delaware (near Rehobeth/Bethany that will have you arrested if you even attempt to swim in their pool. Because if you do, then you ARE tresspasing.
A bit extreme , I know, but getting tough may be the only way to correct a problem such as seems to exist here. It seems that enforcement is the key.
Funny tho--guests who are allowed to swim in the pool complain about being hassled when asked for ID. Or take off the ID. Or don't even bother to BRING their ID.

[roelongo]

Couldn't they issue a pool pass at checkin that says how many in each room, dates of stay, etc. sort of like the parking pass they give you this way a family only needs one for everybody.

[ducklite]

I've only been to VB once, and it was a while ago, so forgive my memory if it's wrong, but isn't there a fairly steep dropoff to the beach that you have to come up the stairs to the higher ground of the property? Perhaps the solution is not at the pool, but rather a gate at the top of those stairs restricting access, they could require a keycard to get and out of that gate.

Of course it won't stop all, but certainly some.

Anne

[PamOKW]

A gate at the beach sounds like a good idea....until you remember it could become a problem for resort guests. They would also be "trapped" on the beach if they forgot to bring their key to the beach.

As Vernon mentioned, there is a balance between keeping the trespasser out and keeping life easy for the guests. From what I observed, the lifeguards are pretty good at catching those who sneak through the different blocks that are already in place. I'm also sure they would be able to identify repeat offenders and, in that case, maybe they should threaten legal action. The pool area is gated from the rest of the resort and clearly marked as being for guests only so a case could probably be made for trespassing.

[ClarabelleCow]

I don't see what the difficulty is handing out wrist bands. We stayed at the Atlantis in the Bahamas about 2 years ago, each morning you went to get your towels, they had a list with your name and room number on it, once verified, they gave you a colored band, each day the color changed, really not a big deal. I would think this is the simplest solution.

[CaptainMidnight]

Wristbands should become common practice as a solution, same as SAB.

[PamOKW]

While it doesn't concern me, the wristbands are shunned by real sun worshippers (leaves a tan line).

[pat-rick]

Never been there but is it possible to have a hand stamp station between the resort area and pool where you could get your hand stamped coming from the lodging area or main building?

[ducklite]

At SAB the wristband can be worn on the bathing suit strap rather than the wrist, heck you can put it on your ankle or ponytail if you prefer. So that isn't a valid argument for the skin cancer...oops I mean sun worshippers. ;)

Anne

[CaptainMidnight]

Tresspassing fines for pool crashers? Once the word gets out, that should curb it.

[MaryJ]

Originally posted by PamOKW
A gate at the beach sounds like a good idea....until you remember it could become a problem for resort guests. They would also be "trapped" on the beach if they forgot to bring their key to the beach.

I would think that someone in the party would need a key to get back into the room!:D

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by MaryJ
I would think that someone in the party would need a key to get back into the room!:D
Good point. Besides, one of the problems is members being courteous to one another and holding the current gate open for the next person, who may or may not be a paying guest. Wrist bands are the best solution, especially if they can be worn in alternative places like on a suit.

I wonder if this will become part of the custodian's responsibilities?
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=425758

[PamOKW]

You wouldn't necessarily have a key with you on the beach. For example, the rest of the family is still getting ready for the day/sleeping and two of the teen-agers want to go watch the sunrise on the beach. They wouldn't necessarily take a key if they know people are in the room and/or they are going to meet up at the restaurant. Or, a couple is lazing by the pool. One of them wants to go to the beach for a bit. They run down not thinking to take the key. At the pool they could signal their friend to let them in but it would be difficult to yell up from the beach. Basically, it's the same reasons why people forget their keys to get into the pool but this time they would be stuck out on the beach....a little more disconcerting. Of course, some kindly person will eventually let them in, defeating the trespass blocking feature of the gate anyway. Guest inconvenience vs. pool crasher blocking effectiveness.

[tripletvan]

We were at VB after our DC for Easter and witnessed a birthday party going on and these people were proud of the fact that they were locals using the facilities. My husband and I were seated in a nice area and these people came right in took over three tables, had cake, minature golf, swam and had a grand old time thanks to our maintance fees!
My husband did mention it to a CM and nothing was done.

[Maistre Gracey]

Oh, how I hope I don't see this happen. I'm just not sure I can keep myself as composed as many of you...

[married@wdw]

While I've never really had the situation happen to me, I'm quite vocal. If I saw something like a birthday party going on, I'd definitely find the hotel manager right away and DRAG him to the event, gawking and pointing at the people.

[trainfun]

In addition to the line between inconveniencing guests vs. keeping locals out is the issue of Disney's relationship with the surrounding community.

If Disney starts having local kids arrested the publicity won't be nice and the community could become hostile to the resort. Worse the trespassers might shift from pool crashing to vandalism which would impact our maintenance fees.

The post about the birthday party is really incredible. Some people have no shame! These people should have been removed.

Rather than having kids arrested maybe Disney could impose a hefty use of facilities charge (say $25 first time, $50 second time and $100 thereafter) that trespassers would have to pay. They could have the choice of paying the fee or being arrested.

Giving people a choice (pay or be arrested) might blunt a straight arrest program.

[floridafam]

Where do these people park?

Do they just walk right through the front of the resort?

I thought I was being kind by holding the pool gate open for people who fumbled for their keys.:rolleyes:

I do think this should be stopped. We OWN there just like the neighbors near the resort OWN their houses (okay, well not exactly the same).

Something tells me the people who live over on Orchid Island wouldn't want any locals coming to swim and have birthday parties at their pools. I don't think they would dare make a stink if locals were kicked out of the pool because they want the same thing.

[ncligs]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Oh, how I hope I don't see this happen. I'm just not sure I can keep myself as composed as many of you...

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I think wrist bands are the best solution for VB.

[jmminarik]

Life was so much simpler when you could just shoot trespassers.

-joe

[ducklite]

Originally posted by jmminarik
Life was so much simpler when you could just shoot trespassers.

-joe

ROFL!!

Anne

[TIdoublegaER]

Life was so much simpler when you could just shoot trespassers.

And if they use that gun that ncligs has - that ought to put a stop to pool crashers!!:p

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by ncligs
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I think wrist bands are the best solution for VB.
Of course, how foolish of me.... The good 'ole sub-machine gun / flame thrower combo.

Now why didn't I think of that? :teeth:

[ncligs]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Of course, how foolish of me.... The good 'ole sub-machine gun / flame thrower combo.

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[MiaSRN62]

I was just on the Vero beach on Aug 2---a mere feet from the hotel. I can't tell u how tempted I was to sneak into the pool ! But I respected the fact that I was not a paying (cash/points) guest at that time. I was visiting my uncle who lives 10 min away. I agree, wristbands or tags should work. I'm a member of a community pool where I live and if you're not wearing your tag (even though they've seen your face a dozen times before), they don't let u in. It's the same at the Jersey shore. No tag, no beach. I don't get the problem at Vero. I'd be happy to wear a tag or wristband if it meant that it would make my stay more enjoyable (i.e. no pool/resort hoppers).

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by ncligs
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TOOOO FUNNY!!! :teeth:

[SnowWitch]

We were there for the first week of August and I think we may have encountered this.

My boys who are 11 and 13 had went down to the pool bar to grab 4 hamburger baskets and were gone forever or so it seemed. Upon returning I asked what had taken them so long. They replied they had met 2 boys at the pool and sat and chatted. I responded, "Oh great, How old are they, where are they FROM?"

They were 10 and 13. And they were from Sebastian!

Maybe I'm assuming but why would one vacation at a resort right down the road?

[PamOKW]

It's possible they were crashing or they could have been visiting relatives who were staying at the resort or even been children of a CM. And, they could have been spending some time at the resort as "summer vacation" or been there as part of a wedding that was being held at the resort or in the area. Sometimes people do vacation close to home. That's why the guests shouldn't have to be the "pool police". Disney should come up with a workable system.

I'm not sure that they'll ever be able to keep out every pool crasher. They get in if they really want to. You'll even find them at SAB. ;)

[DisneyDiver]

Here's an idea -

1) A gate at the top of the wooden ramp down to the beach. With big pointy bits on it :teeth:

2) A Keycard system operated by your roomkey, and for those that forget their key, a numberpad that has the access code changed every week

3) For those that forget their key and the code during the day, have cast member there to open the gate, after asking them for their room details, and noting their name. At night, allow reception to buzz people in using an intercom system.

4) Have the cast members at the bar ask for resort ID when people buy drinks or food (I'd imagine nobody could handle going all day without buying something...)

Wouldn't cost that much, and I'm sure it would save a lot of hassle for DVC, trying to hunt down people who don't stay at the hotel using the pool...

[PamOKW]

Have the cast members at the bar ask for resort ID when people buy drinks or food (I'd imagine nobody could handle going all day without buying something...)

This was the policy. I'm not sure whether it's still in effect or not. No room key -- no food/drink. I saw them turning away a man who said he was waiting to check-in so they did enforce it.

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by DisneyDiver
Here's an idea -

1) A gate at the top of the wooden ramp down to the beach. With big pointy bits on it :teeth:

2) A Keycard system operated by your roomkey, and for those that forget their key, a numberpad that has the access code changed every week

3) For those that forget their key and the code during the day, have cast member there to open the gate, after asking them for their room details, and noting their name. At night, allow reception to buzz people in using an intercom system.

4) Have the cast members at the bar ask for resort ID when people buy drinks or food (I'd imagine nobody could handle going all day without buying something...)

Wouldn't cost that much, and I'm sure it would save a lot of hassle for DVC, trying to hunt down people who don't stay at the hotel using the pool...

THe current gates require key access for entry into the pool area. What happens is that vero members are courteous to one another and hold the gate open for each other, not realizing they are holding the gate open for a pool crasher, instead of a fellow member. When I'm taking three boys to the pool and all their belongings, toys, etc, people are always kind and try ot help by holding the gate. It's really just common good manners. Pool crashers take advantage of that. That's why we need to go to e wristband system (that could be worn on a bathing suit if needed, to avoid a tan line).

[floridafam]

I don't know how on topic this is but.......

We were just looking at pictures from our last trip to VB and there were four pool chairs next to the one my daughter was sitting in and three of them had one sandal a peice and the other one had a BOWLING BALL.:rolleyes:

I forgot about this. It's an actual bowling ball. Someone was saving their pool chair with a bowling ball.

I had a good laugh.

[fireplug]

Maybe they were afraid that the chair was going to "walk away"
:rolleyes:

Steve

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by floridafam
I don't know how on topic this is but.......

We were just looking at pictures from our last trip to VB and there were four pool chairs next to the one my daughter was sitting in and three of them had one sandal a peice and the other one had a BOWLING BALL.:rolleyes:

I forgot about this. It's an actual bowling ball. Someone was saving their pool chair with a bowling ball.

I had a good laugh. Oh my!!! That is a HOOT!!!
ncligs, any smileys for that??? :cool:

[July]

:mad:

Just bought into DVC in June. Our home resort is VB. We bought 240 points. Have only had the chance to use a long weekend at OKW in July. I can tell you I am extremely upset about this. When my husband and I tried to visit the BCV just to look around we couldn't because we were not guests.
So what the hecks the problem over at Vero. The maintainence costs are higher they can certainly afford to put someone there to ask for your hotel guest pass. That pool area was closely guarded (like FT. KNOX). Well my money should be going for the same thing at VB by golly miss molly.


July

[RJake1]

When I complained to the recreation manager, he told me that he had just finished speaking to a woman about the issue, only she was "on the other side of the fence." I asked if he meant that she had snuck in as a non-guest. He said it appeared that way. So they definitely are aware of the problem.:cool:

[PamOKW]

he told me that he had just finished speaking to a woman

I think Vero has a pretty good grasp on who belongs and who doesn't. The pool area is small enough that I think they do catch a majority of the folks sneaking in. I agree that bringing something you see to the attention of management will help keep things under control but I would not be overly concerned that we are being overrun by trespassers. Using a wristband system seems like a better step than having to go the "Ft. Knox" route. It will only be aggravating for us as guests to have to go through clearance every time we leave the pool area to head to the beach or back to the villa/room and return to the pool. You could be checked several times a day. This is also why I think the lifeguards, etc. develop a 6th sense about who doesn't look right and are pretty good at shagging them.

[CaptainMidnight]

They might have a good grasp, but I don't think they are acting on it. It is a problem that needs to be better addressed than it is currently. Wristbands is probably the best approach.

[ncligs]

Originally posted by Maistre Gracey
Oh my!!! That is a HOOT!!!
ncligs, any smileys for that???

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[jmminarik]

Originally posted by PamOKW
This is also why I think the lifeguards, etc. develop a 6th sense about who doesn't look right and are pretty good at shagging them.

*Gasp* No wonder people are crashing the place! :teeth:

[ncligs]

Originally posted by PamOKW
. This is also why I think the lifeguards, etc. develop a 6th sense about who doesn't look right and are pretty good at shagging them.

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[CaptainMidnight]

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[madcoco]

Let the lifeguards do their job. I will gladly sit by the gate and check for resort IDs when in the area and make them walk the plank. All for a bottle of rum. Then you have another problem on your hands. a drunken pirate wannabe singing Yo Ho Yo Ho over and over. At least it would be a new change of music.http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/AoErat/pirate.gif

[Maistre Gracey]

Originally posted by madcoco
Let the lifeguards do their job. I will gladly sit by the gate and check for resort IDs when in the area and make them walk the plank. All for a bottle of rum. Then you have another problem on your hands. a drunken pirate wannabe singing Yo Ho Yo Ho over and over. At least it would be a new change of music.http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/AoErat/pirate.gif
I'll buy the rum! This I gotta see! :teeth:

[CaptainMidnight]

Let the lifeguards do their job.
Unfortunately, this isn't working, or the problem wouldn't currently exist.

Encourage the lifeguards to do thier job? It is problably the most unpleasant aspect of ther job, being pool bouncers to thieves stealing resources they didn't pay for. And those pool crashers making a scene when confronted causes unpleasantess for those around.

It would probably be best for everyone to assist the lifeguards in doing their job by providing lifeguards with an appropriate tool like wristbands to make it easy to spot and an obvious deterant to repeat offenders, and members peacefully accomodating the change.

[JimC]

Wristbands work well at all-inclusive resorts. You get them at check-in and wear them for the entire trip. No problems getting children to keep them on. It is their "ticket" to enjoy the resort. It is simple, cheap and effective.

[dvcmomdeh]

We were at VB the first week of June.

My "newly 12 yo" daughter was walking to the pool from our Beach Cottage at about 7:00 p.m.. She was approached by an older man that was seated on the balcony of the Green Cabin Room to come to his room for a drink. She came running back to the house scared to death. She didn't want to tell me what was wrong. After finally getting it out of her I went to the front desk and demanded to speak to a manager. After speaking with the manager and explaining to her that I do not expect nor will tolerate this type of behavior from guests at a Disney Resort she went upstairs to see what was going on. She spoke with the bartender and other guests and found that he was also distrubing other guests. She asked the person to return to his room only to find out he was a local.

I returned to the house after taking my daughter to the pool to meet with others in our party and received a phone call from the manager that the man had left and that he was not a guest at the resort. She said that the bar is open to the public but that I need not worry about this type of behavior again.

I will think twice about reserving a beach cottage north of the inn again if I have young teens with me. We have been going to very since it opened and owned points there since 2001. We have never had a problem with too many people in the pool.

[floridafam]

DawnHaan,

Sorry to hear about your daughter's experience. :(

Yes, the restaurants and bar at VB are open to the public. I think they do quite a bit of business-at least for brunch on Sunday-with the locals.

I'm glad they asked him to leave the premises-they had every right to do so and I'm glad they followed through on your conversation.

I hope your next experience at VB is much better. :)

[madcoco]

DawnHaan again sorry for your experience. That shouldn't have to be tolerated anywhere let alone a Disney Resort. Were the police called?:mad:
Let the lifeguards do their job.Captain Midnight I should have added, "that they are trained for". Sorry for the misunderstanding. A lifeguard should be there for safety in the pool. Not getting sidetracked to check on who is sneaking in through the gate, misuse of tables and chairs etc.

[dvcmomdeh]

No police this time that I am aware of. This question makes me curious as to whether or not this has been a problem.

Wristbands... I won't wear them. Even at SAB I put the bandon the strap of my suit and change it daily. I don't even wear watches due to the fact I can't stand anything tight on my wrists.

[RJake1]

Disney prides/markets itself as a family destination. Asking a child molester to simply leave the premises is NOT enough. They should have detained him, or gotten ID, and phoned police ASAP.
I cannot believe, and we should not accept, such cavalier response from DIsney. Where can we complain? Does anyone have a phone number or address? Can the lady provide details (Dates) of her stay? :bounce:

[dvcmomdeh]

I posted my story only to remind other DVCrs to not take advantage of what we EXPECT from Disney.

There are people who do things that we have no control over. Yes, I should have probably insisted that we make the police aware of the situation. Plan and simple. I could say we only had a few more days; the guy said he was only kidding...... But there is no excuse. Scarring my daughter and bringing me back to reality that there arr wacko's out there was enough for us. I am pleased that she reacted the way she did. I least I know that for now I can trust her to come to me and hopefully it is the beginning of a confidence between our family members that we won't let anyone hurt each other if we are open. My 15 year old son from this point on kept track of his preteen sister, instead of wishing that she weren't around. He was afraid of something happening to her also.

[RJake1]

I certainly understand your reaction and feelings. It shouldn't have been up to you to insist the police were called. Disney personnel should be trained to respond appropriately. I do not believe they did. This pervert is now free to go out and accost some other child, whether its on Disney property or not. I think I am justified in expecting more from a company that touts its family orientation. Is safety and security too much to ask??

[ClarabelleCow]

Was your daughter actually approached by this person, or did he yell down to her. My concern is we let our 11 year old walk back and forth by herself on several occasions and now I'm wondering if we should have let her do that!

[ducklite]

Originally posted by RJake1
Disney prides/markets itself as a family destination. Asking a child molester to simply leave the premises is NOT enough. They should have detained him, or gotten ID, and phoned police ASAP.
I cannot believe, and we should not accept, such cavalier response from DIsney. Where can we complain? Does anyone have a phone number or address? Can the lady provide details (Dates) of her stay? :bounce:

First let me say that I certainly feel empathy for the poster and her daughter.

But they had NO LEGAL GROUNDS to detain or arrest this man. He asked a question of the girl, which was not worded in an illegal manner. He said "a drink". That could mean a soda or an iced tea. He did not give her alcohol. He did not touch her or forcibly detain her. He did not make lewd comments to her. Even if she had gone to his room and he had given her a soda and then she ahd left, he STILL did nothing illegal. Morally wrong, absolutely, but NOT illegal.

If Disney detained him, asked for his ID or called the police they first of all would have probably been sued (and he would have won!) and second of all, the police would not have been able to do ANYTHING more than telling him he had to leave.

I am NOT condoning his behaviour, even if he was nothing more than a nice old man looking for some small talk with a young lady who reminded him of his grand daughter, his conduct was still improper. But improper and illegal are two VERY different things. Don't like it? Write to your congressmen. But leave Disney out of it, they did everything they LEGALLY could do.

Anne

[RJake1]

I do not practice law in FL, so I can't say what statutes they have on the books. However, in other States conduct that is otherwise appropriate toward adults is illegal when it comes to minor children. I would expect that there is some statute that criminalizes the conduct described.

I also disagree with the logic that Disney acted appropriately out of concern for being sued. So what? Let the pervert sue. How much money is a jury going to award a child pervert? Do you think he would be a sympathetic figure in front of a jury? I would try that case any day of the week. Child Pervert vs Disney. I couldn't ask for a more compelling set of circumstances. In addition, Disney would benefit tremendously from the positive publicity that they acted aggressively against a pervert (a non-guest mind you) and favored protecting a minor child over their own economic interests.

[dvcmomdeh]

The man yelled down from the patio at her. I'll let my daughter run by herself again next summer. However, she may choose not to. Like I said before I have hopes that this was a lesson for all of us. My daughter would not have known to come back to the house, nor to talk to me about this had we not previously had discussions about strangers and being aware of your surroundings and the people in it. You have to WATCH people to be able to know who belongs where. In the early years of our Disney travel we used leashes on the kids. Not the harness kind that people use now but actual dog leashes color coded for boys (blue) and girls (purple). People gave us odd looks but my kids never ran more than 6 feet in front or behind me. Had I not taught them this I believe they would run everywhere. They both are responsible.

My suggestion would be to explain this scenario to your daughter and ask her what she would do. You may find that she too is responsible enough to come up with the same decisions my daughter made and you won't have to concern her for the trip.

We recently had an ADAM Alert come over our TV. My daughter new what this was for and I didn't tell her about it. So they learn stuff like this from somewhere else too.

[ducklite]

Think of all the ridiculous lawsuits that are brought and won by criminals. Sorry, regardless of what we would have liked to have seen happen, Disney did what they legally could do in the situation.

Anne

[jfulcer]

Originally posted by RJake1
I also disagree with the logic that Disney acted appropriately out of concern for being sued. So what? Let the pervert sue. How much money is a jury going to award a child pervert? Do you think he would be a sympathetic figure in front of a jury? I would try that case any day of the week. Child Pervert vs Disney. I couldn't ask for a more compelling set of circumstances. In addition, Disney would benefit tremendously from the positive publicity that they acted aggressively against a pervert (a non-guest mind you) and favored protecting a minor child over their own economic interests.

Ok, I may hate myself for this, as I'm playing the devil's advocate here (as was ducklite), but you do NOT know he was a pervert. He COULD have just been a bored old grandpa wanting a chat. Wrong way to ask, but still.... Disney can't arrest him on a whim I assume, they would need some legal ground and I'm not sure there is in this case.

Is he trouble? Yes, most certainly so. But if he's not, and he were a DIS member, HE could sue YOU for lible (or is it defamation of character) or some such. People bring suits for MUCH MUCH less these days.

[childsplay]

Originally posted by ducklite
Sorry, regardless of what we would have liked to have seen happen, Disney did what they legally could do in the situation.

Anne

Well, yes and no.....if the police had been called and simply asked the individual some questions that would have been perfectly legal and provided no grounds for a lawsuit.

[ducklite]

Originally posted by childsplay
Well, yes and no.....if the police had been called and simply asked the individual some questions that would have been perfectly legal and provided no grounds for a lawsuit.

RJake1 was suggesting that the individual be DETAINED until the police could arrive. That would have been the grounds for a lawsuit, as would have making any kind of accusations which could not be proven. Based on the story as it's been given here, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence on which serious allegations are being made.

Anne

[Sammie]

Some would consider the actions of the man in the bar perverted. However some would consider him just to have had one too many drinks and being obnoxious. I don't think there is a law against being obnoxious.

Some would consider putting dog leashes on children abusive, and others would see it as a way to keep them safe.

Unless a law was broken, Disney acted appropriately. The guest always has the right to call the police if they feel the need.

But mainly as the OP stated Disney is a public place and not everyone is nice.

[CaptainMidnight]

.....if the police had been called and simply asked the individual some questions that would have been perfectly legal and provided no grounds for a lawsuit.
The bartenders at the Green Cabin Room may have a bigger problem if they served him too many drinks and then encouraged him to drive home early. I agree, calling the police to manage the situation is not out of line.

[CaptainMidnight]

Oops, looks like we have two threads going on the same subject. This one was about pool crashers.

[CaptainMidnight]

Originally posted by jfulcer
Ok, I may hate myself for this, as I'm playing the devil's advocate here (as was ducklite), but you do NOT know he was a pervert. He COULD have just been a bored old grandpa wanting a chat. Wrong way to ask, but still.... Disney can't arrest him on a whim I assume, they would need some legal ground and I'm not sure there is in this case.

Is he trouble? Yes, most certainly so. But if he's not, and he were a DIS member, HE could sue YOU for lible (or is it defamation of character) or some such. People bring suits for MUCH MUCH less these days.
Naw.... he was being a public nusance. It may also have been wise to stop him before he got into a car. Just because someone sue's doesn't make them right or the case winnable. Besides, Disney has lawers on staff who could tie the case up in court for years and years.....
...I don't think there is a law against being obnoxious.
Gosh, if there was we might have some posters on our forum facing charges, eh? :p