Next DVC property after BCV

[Vince]

For what its worth I recently got back from the VWL and spoke with a DVC rep at the Kiosk when on my way to the elevators in the Villas, she told me that the next DVC property to be built after BCV is going to be at the Animal Kingdom Lodge. I also attended a sales presentation with some friends who are contemplating on whether to become members and the guide told me that Disney cannot build the DVC properties fast enough and that they are 5 years ahead of projected sales. If this is all true it seems to me that the resale market is going to even get stronger and more stable. Oh and one last thing, the model rooms for the BCV's are being furbished right now at the boardwalk but are not done yet, he said he wasn't allowed to let me take a peek. :-(



-Vince

[dvcdudes]

Thanks for churning the rumor mill... That's what makes the DIS so much fun.
AKV would be GREAT . I hear such nice things about AKL.
I can't imagine the BCV rooms being that much different as to make it such a big secret.

[bicker]

The last rumor I heard was that the next DVC would be by the golf courses. Who knows?

Anyway, they also wouldn't show the VWL rooms at the BoardWalk sales center until they received the CoO and were allowed to sell the points. That makes me wonder about recent talk about "pre-sales" since it sounded like they couldn't make any promises about the property until it was available for sale.

[Pixieduster]

This is great. My family fell in love with this resort on our trip in May. I hope this is true.

[MalificentMe]

I wonder if the new Beach Club Villas and the proposed Animal Kingdom Lodge Villas will have the same 2042 expiration? That would be an interesting thing to find out for all those interested in buying into it. Take care, Tammy:bounce:

[bicker]

I haven't heard anything to indicate that BCV would be any different vis a vis termination date. The way things are selling I can't imagine why they'd bother making that change at this time.

[fkj2]

The CM I spoke with yesterday from Member Services said they hadn't heard if there was going to be any more DVC; nothing had been announced.

[tsacyensid]

Well the rumor around the cm is bonnet creek and then Animal Kingdom! Don't go buy the sales guides they just tell you what they think you want to hear!:earsgirl: They just can't build fast enough!

MS can't tell you rumors anyway! They can only tell you what has been officially announced! Haven't you ever called them and they say "where did you get this info?" and when you tell them here they say "that is not the official web sit so I cannot tell you it came from Disney"

[luvdvc95]

Just talked to member services yesterday. Had a long conversation with them. By not asking questions but by making statements of the rumors I had been hearing I was able to get some answers (unofficially) of course. The next DVC will be at Bonnet Creek. It will be equal to OKW. So if any of you are looking for something similar to OKW size, it's coming. It might be a few years down the road, but I'm willing to wait it out, since BC is very small (only 200 units) and it's location it will probably sell out fast. I'm soooo exicted.:bounce: :p

[spruce]

I'll bet that if Disney builds another resort like OKW it won't be a DVC resort. It'll be DVCII, with a new 50 year RTU leasehold....spruce

[DiznEeyore]

FWIW, when dh talked with our guide last week, he indicated that there was a "very good likelihood" that the next resort will indeed be Bonnet Creek. It will be interesting to see ....

[grumpy-duck]

When I was at BWV two weeks ago I sopke with my guide and she indicated the project after BCV would be a large undertaking and somewhat indicated that it would be a property in and of itself (I took that to mean something like OKW). Many people seem to think it may be at Bonnet Creek - where is that? Is it a golf club? Also one person mentioned that the BCV would have 200 units - does anyone know approximately how many points DVC will sell? Just curious.

[bicker]

Originally posted by grumpy-duck
Bonnet Creek - where is that? Is it a golf club?Bonnet Creek is just to the East of Ft. Wilderness, sort-of North of Dixie Landings.

[ILuvDVC]

When I was at Animal Kingdom Lodge a couple of weeks ago, I asked if there were plans to have a DVC here at Animal Kingdom Lodge? The rep said that she didn't know anything, and if she did know, she would have told us.

Can you imagine the dues at the AKL DVC? YIKES....it cost money to feed those animals and bring them in to see every day. Just curious.

Bonnet Creek sounds like a great location....

I wonder if the one DVC will be able to Exchange with the New DVC II, if in fact they separate it? Makes sense to me.

Oh...and another thought, DVC Is good for Walt Disney World....even with the economy stinking, like it does, people who own DVC will still be going to WDW. So the DVC Hotels will be filled, and Disney doesn't have to try to attrack people to stay there...and....after 50 years (now 41 years), Disney gets it all back!

[bicker]

Originally posted by ILuvDVC
Can you imagine the dues at the AKL DVC? YIKES....it cost money to feed those animals and bring them in to see every day.Really! and you can be sure that any DVC at AKL would have to kick in some money towards those expenses.

Bonnet Creek sounds like a great location....Personally, I think they should have stuck with deluxe resort locations. I know folks love it, but I can't help but consider OKW as a "moderate"...

Of course the problem is that there aren't any other deluxe resorts (other than AKL) that a DVC property could be attached to. Therefore I'd love to have seen them consider the property just to the east of World Drive, just after the turn-off for Epcot. There could be a rather substantial complex of mid-rise wings there, and the resort could have its own monorail station on the Epcot beam. Though that might have been too expensive, especially given how DVC points are selling so quickly.

I wonder if the one DVC will be able to Exchange with the New DVC II, if in fact they separate it? If not, we can always arrange that sort of thing here... :)

[tsacyensid]

I cannot believe you think Old Key West is a Moderate Resort. I hate to tell you it is a deluxe resort and there are more members that prefer the peace and quite there. It is the Original and at least you don't have to walk miles to get to your room as you do at VWL and BWV.

I know for a fact many members do not like the sharing and the layout of the other resorts.


I will always be loyal to the Original Vation Club- Old Key West!

[tsacyensid]

I cannot believe you think Old Key West is a Moderate Resort. I hate to tell you it is a deluxe resort and there are more members that prefer the peace and quite there. It is the Original and at least you don't have to walk miles to get to your room as you do at VWL and BWV.

I know for a fact many members do not like the sharing and the layout of the other resorts.


I will always be loyal to the Original Vacation Club- Old Key West!

[PamOKW]

OKW is a luxury golf course timeshare located in WDW. It was designed to be a luxury timeshare and has all the amenitities of a million dollar condo with the benefit of being at WDW. VWL and BWV are apartment/timeshare accomodations located in luxury hotels (although WL is sort of a hybrid luxury/moderate) at WDW. VWL and BWV were designed to appeal to those who were used to hotel accomodations and were reluctant to give them up. To say OKW is a moderate hotel is just plain wrong. All 3 resorts at WDW are terrific and I can see a time and place for using all of them. Some people aren't comfortable in the condo setting and others dislike the hotel feel. For them, sticking with their home resort is the best option. One heckuva lot of people bought into OKW so I'm sure Disney has done research that shows the golf course condo continues to have great appeal.

[bicker]

Originally posted by tsacyensid
I cannot believe you think Old Key West is a Moderate Resort. I hate to tell you it is a deluxe resort and there are more members that prefer the peace and quite there. It is the Original and at least you don't have to walk miles to get to your room as you do at VWL and BWV.Yet you have to drive miles just to get to a restaurant.

Sorry we'll just have to agree to disagree about this.

[WebmasterDoc]

Yet you have to drive miles just to get to a restaurant.

Actually, many of the OKW villas are closer to a restaurant than those at BWV. The dining places at BWV are on the Boardwalk- not in the Hotel- and you still have a fair walk to any of them.

It is only a 15 minute walk to the restautants at DD from OKW. There is a good selection there also. Some might even suggest there is a better selection there than at BWV. To each his own!

Enjoy!

[Disney Adventurer]

Hi, new to the boards but I might as well throw my 2 cents worth in. If everything we say is true, ie, Disney is way ahead of sales forecasts and is pushing forward with BCV as fast as possible to have property available before or soon after WLV sells out, don't you think from a business sense the next DVC will also be a smaller resort. After all BCV is only what, 200 units (?), I'm sure that will sell very quickly, so do you think Disney will want to be without an onsite property for sale, I don't think so. This means they would need a resort fairly quickly a large stand alone resort would take time to build, this points to a smaller resort possibly at an existing location. Just my thoughts.

[PamOKW]

Adventurer, I agree that they can't allow too much time to lapse without much for sale. However, they don't need to have an entire resort the size of OKW ready before sales begin. OKW was built in phases. They need to have the "core" pool, check-in etc. in place and then can add on villas over the course of a few years. Another thing with Disney is that you don't always know what is happening. A lot of the groundwork for Celebration was done without Disney even acknowledging what they were doing. Could be things are underway for the next DVC, pre announcement.

[Disney Sponge]

Keeping the AKL rumors churning...

When we visited AKL in May, we heard from several CMs that a DVC resort has always been in the far out plan for AKL. They did not have any idea of when for sure. One CM speculated 5 years out. I also remember reading a post on this website on last Nov.'s election day about someone chatting while waiting in line to vote (probably incorrectly since it was in FL--LOL ;) ). They ran into a CM who was going to be working at AKL and they told them that there were plans for a DVC resort there in the future.

My family loved it and while I probably would not pay the dues to add on there, I am sure there would be some that would and we would be happy to use some of our points to stay there for a few nights.

[bicker]

Originally posted by Doc
It is only a 15 minute walk to the restautants at DD from OKW.It typically takes far less than 15 minutes to walk from my villa at BWV to Spoodles.

But, as you said, to each his own.

I think it is important to remind folks that what I said was "I can't help but consider OKW as a 'moderate'... " Y'know you can consider it whatever you want...

[WebmasterDoc]

It typically takes far less than 15 minutes to walk from my villa at BWV to Spoodles.

Ahh, but from buildings 11-18, 62-64 and 23-29 a guest can get to Olivia's a least as quickly as you can get to any of the restaurants on the Boardwalk- again there are none IN the Hotel.

The 15 minutes to DD comment was just to emphasize the proximity of OKW to many more choices for dining.

Yes, you may consider a resort however you'd like. Disney considers both OKW and BWV to be Home Away From Home. Just different!

Enjoy!

[Joeblack]

I am a BWV and a WLV owner. I don't think OKW can be considered a moderate. It is every bit as luxurious as any other DVC resort, and what it lacks in hotel facilities, it makes up for in size and comfort.

As for the next DVC resort, I bet it will be one similar to OKW is concept in the Bonnett Creek Area. A big one that will give Diseny time to catch up with demand. I don't think the original poster who started this idea a few weeks ago was trying to stir things up...he just used a temporal name to let us in information he knew he could get in trouble for divulgating.

[ocdb8r]

I wouldn't be surprised is Disney put off Bonnet Creek due to the softening economy AND room bookings.

From a business sense it seems it would be smarter to tack on a smaller DVC property to an existing resort for a few reasons:

- Quicker recoup in investment
- Smaller investment as most core services are already built (Restraunts, gift shops, service facilities...etc.)
- Decreased site marketing costs to fill untis with paying guests while they are selling

I would love to see any new location as I think the best part of DVC is options. I just think if I were the business manager I might choose to add on to another resort at this time.

[DVCDAVE]

I am sorry, and I am probably the only one who might feel this way, BUT I don't think there is going to be a quick new DVC resort at WDW any time soon. NO AKL nor any Bonnet Creak. Room occupencies have dropped off a cliff, and WLV isn't sold out yet. Further BCV isn't complete, and they slowed down work on Pop Century. Let's face it, there is an over supply of rooms, and BCV will worsen that when it opens.

I am unfamiliar with the Disneyland park, but it would seem that if the situation is better there, then a DVC resort may make sense there.

In conclusion, in the current economic enviroment, another DVC resort would make matters worse for WDW, not better.

[bicker]

There's a danger in that. The fact is that we're in an economic slump, that has all appearances of getting close to finished. If things improve next year, not only will VWL be sold out, but they could sell 1/3 - 1/2 of BCV next year. If they don't start on SOMETHING soon, they'll have nothing to sell for a while after BCV, just like they're (still) probably not going to have anything to sell after VWL sells out.

[DVCDAVE]

BICKER: Not exactly true. They have plenty of inventory in VB and HH. YES, YES we all know they aren't WDW property, but what better way to move that inventory out, create a shortage of property on site.

I am not anywhere convinced that the slowdown is finished either. Six interest rate reductions, and the market keeps falling, and the dollar zooming against all forgein currincies. The dollar should have fallen when the interest rates fell. What that means is this slowdown has not hit Europe and Asia yet, or investors fear the worse hasn't begun for them. Unfortuantely, what that means for American business is our goods and services will get even more expensive to buy. We are being priced right out of the market, and our exports are dropping right off a cliff, and yes more layoffs. Right now the dollar is near or at post WWII highs against all European currencies.

This dollar affect is known all to well with the planners of Wally World. Anyone who is in the travel business knows that WDW is the number 1 destination in the U.S. for foreign tourist, and their dollars.

[dumbo33]

We just got back from BWV and was told that the remodeling was because of litigation against the contractors who originally built Boardwalk. Things were falling apart that shouldn't have happened after just five years. So they were redoing the outside as we were there and were planning to tear up the carpets and so on after that. BWV did seem to be in bad shape for just five years old, so it should brand new again soon:bounce:

[Laurajean1014]

OKW as a "moderate?" Does CBR have a two person jacuzzi, washer/dryer and a verandah overlooking lakes and courses...........................

I don't think so................

[bicker]

Originally posted by DVCDAVE
BICKER: Not exactly true. They have plenty of inventory in VB and HH. YES, YES we all know they aren't WDW property, but what better way to move that inventory out, create a shortage of property on site.I think the reason why there is a shortage of property on site is because the demand is indeed for on site properties. We've even heard from folks who buy into VB and HH fully expecting to use their memberships at WDW! I'm sure HH and VB are very nice, but I suspect that they won't fill the gap in sales unless they do some radical discounting, which would be rather unfair to the rest of the owners.

[bicker]

Like I said, I consider it so -- I don't expect others to! :)

We'll have to see how I feel about AKL after my November trip there. For me, a deluxe Disney resort has special transportation to the theme parks, a full-service restaurant, and valet parking. AKL is missing one of those -- From what I've heard, the extra amenities (extra full-service restaurant, on site activities like story telling) make up for it. When I stayed at OKW, I was very comfortable, but I didn't see the difference between staying there and staying at a condo off site. Y M M V.

[steamyjoe]

I was on playing golf at Eagle Pines last month and they "budded" our 3 ball with an "Imagineer" from Disney. He seemed very knowledgeable about DVC and said the inside track was Bonnet Creek is the next resort.

[tsacyensid]

Truth of the matter is that while room attendance for WDW hotels is down, DVC is not. Call and check availability on a hotel room then try to get a room on cash or points for VWL or OKW... not going to happen.

Just to let you know there is more much much more to come...

Lets just say a little "mouse" told me

[CaptainMidnight]

It would seem that a DVC option in the California parks would make sense, it would be great to visit California and stay in a DVC resort. I know the new California adventure park is having trouble, but our west coast friends would probably enjoy the close proximity.

Otherwise, a monorail resort would be nice. Even one on the long stretch from Epcot to the transportation center. A stop along that route to a DVC would be great, and serve as it's own advertisement. All that would be needed is to build a station.

[PADVCmember@OKW]

Just got back from VB yesterday. The rumor there is ground has already been broken for a DVC Golf Resort aroud Shades of Green. That would give guests access to three golf courses; Palm, Magnolia, and Oak Trail.

The guid said this resort is expected to be relatively small and is in response to the DVC members who asked for a golf resort.

The "construction" is supposed to be visible from any of the three courses.

:cool:

[Stinky_Pete]

For me, a deluxe Disney resort has special transportation to the theme parks, a full-service restaurant, and valet parking.

My feelings exactly. These have traditionally been the major difference between what WDW classifies as moderate and deluxe resorts.

I'm glad so many OKW owners are happy with their purchases. However, Bicker just made his own observation. What's the hang up with the classification of "deluxe" vs. "moderate?" Sheesh! -- Like what you like and get over it already.

[PamOKW]

OKW is not a deluxe hotel nor a moderate hotel. It is the only premium golf course luxury condo resort on WDW property. ;)

[SwampFox]

For me, a deluxe Disney resort has special transportation to the theme parks, a full-service restaurant, and valet parking.

I agree also! I just love that "special" ride to MK and AK from the BWV with guests from 4 other resorts.

The "special" boat ride back from MGM after Fantasmic is also a favorite. Just waiting for the boat gives me a "special" feeling!

[PamOKW]

LOL!!!

[Joeblack]

*LOevenLer*

[tsacyensid]

:D I love when I am right!!!! I told you all that it would be Bonnet Creek and not Animal Kingdom Lodge! :D

I just found out I am absolutely right... and guess what... I am right about something else... there are NO plans to build at Animal Kingdom Lodge.... A little "mouse" told me that one too!!!!


Hee hee:cool:

BTW... anyone have any points about to expire??? email me!


Thanks guys!!!!:)

[Caskbill]

tsacyensid, I think Bonnet Creek was always the more logical choice than AKL. AKL is nice, but if you look at the layout of the resort, there's really no good place to add any DVC units. They'd have to be way off somewhere, away from everything else.

I'm glad to hear it's Bonnet Creek. As an OKW fan, it sounds like it'll be more to my liking.

P.S., I will have a bunch of points if you're interested. I'll be using everything I have up through 2042, but I'll be happy to sell you my entire 2043 point allotment, ......cheap. :D

[tsacyensid]

Very cute.... Its funny you feel that way- guess I am going to have to borrow from my 2043 year lol