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Dean
07-29-2003, 06:30 PM
Here's the info through 2013. End of 2013 membership just over 195K.

Here’s the points exchange grid:

New exchange list
Gold Crown

Studio - 100 Low/120 Mid/130 High
1 BR - 120 Low/140 Mid/150 High
2 BR - 200 Low/240 Mid/260 High
3 BR - 270 Low/310 Mid/340 High

Non Gold Crown

Studio - 80 Low/100 Mid/110 High
1 BR - 100 Low/120 Mid/130 High
2 BR - 180 Low/210 Mid/230 High
3 BR - 240 Low/270 Mid/300 High
There is a nightly list also now divided up by Gold Crown and other and there is a points charts for RCI registry resorts that is quite high though has seen some minor changes as well. These changes above represent a minimal to mild lowering of the points compared to historical and appear to coincide with the decision to allow wider access to more resorts.


Old Exchange list
Studio - 106 Low/123 Mid/134 High
1 BR - 124 Low/144 Mid/160 High
2 BR - 207 Low/252 Mid/270 High
3 BR - 276 Low/317 Mid/349 High


RCI exchanges

1992 - 44 exchanges, 1 pending and 100% success rate. 2.09% of members had exchanged during 1992. 175 properties were listed with RCI during 1992 and at that time there were 34,584 members.

1993 - 146 exchanges, 45 pending and 97% success rate. 2.47% of members had exchanged during 1992. 264 properties were listed with RCI during 1993 and at that time there were 34,584 members.

2009 – All I’ve gotten so far from DVC related to RCI are RCI’s audit for their various components (weeks, RCI points, Registry collection).

2010, DVC has taken the RCI audit for the RCI points system and used it to satisfy their FL requirement. I'm not sure if this is technically legal and it does not give a representation of the DVC statistics but it's the reality. They give a success rate of 82.7% but they get it in a different way than I would expect. They take the points used divided by points no longer usable. It ignores unused but still valid points and their outcome. Also, as do all of the audit's, it implies any accepted option was a truly acceptable choice to the exchanger.

2011-13 - DVC still just lists the RCI audit as their own so no DVC specific info available now.
Remember that RCI was a deposit first system from 1992-1994 so if you didn’t match you lost your week.

Interval International exchanges

1998 - 674 exchanges, 69 pending and 76.8% success rate. 1.9% of members had exchanged during 1998. 251 properties were listed with II during 1998 and at that time there were 34,584 members.

1999 - 656 exchanges, 125 pending and 75.8% success rate. 1.6% of members had exchanged during 1999. 279 properties were listed with II during 1999 and at that time there were 42,230 members.

2000 - 979 exchanges, 193 pending and 68.6% success rate. 1.9% of members had exchanged during 2000. 332 properties were listed with II during 2000 and at that time there were 60,251 members.

2001 - 1141 exchanges, 241 pending and 53.6% success rate. 1.9% of members had exchanged during 2001. 332 properties were listed with II during 2001 and at that time there were 60,251 members.

2002 - 1396 exchanges and 277 pending exchanges for a success rate of 74.6%. There 336 II exchange options (# of resorts) and 68,875 members. Overall 2% of members exchanged.

2003 - 2088 exchanges and 446 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 79% (exchanges/requests). There were 375 II exchange options and 74,860 members during 2003.

2004 - 2376 exchanges, 586 pending and 89.3% success rate. 2.8% of members had exchanged during 2004. 432 properties were listed with II during 2004 and at that time there were 85,017 members.

2005 - 2914 exchanges, 704 pending and 91.6% success rate. 3% of members had exchanged during 2006. 512 properties were listed with II during 2005 and at that time there were 98156 members.

2006 - 3332 exchanges, 687 pending and 93.8% success rate. 3% of members had exchanged during 2006. 543 properties were listed with II during 2006 and at that time there were 110,107 members.

2007 - 4138 exchanges, 978 pending and 93.4% success rate. 3.4% of members had exchanged during 2007. 589 properties were listed with II during 2007 and at that time there were 122,551 members on the BVTC audit and 123,391 members on the II audit.

2008 - 5500 exchanges and 331 short stay exchanges. There were 123,433 member families at the end of last year which seems low. This is the last year for II and no formal audit was available due to the change over from II to RCI.


1993 BVTC stats


Hilton - 2 exchanges with 2 pending with a success rate of 33.3%.
Vacation Internationale - 17 exchanges with 12 pending with a success rate of 89.47%.



Club Cordial

Reservations for Cordial are made by paper, so takes a few days. They can be made up to 10 months and 7 days out. If you want to schedule more than one, you have separate $95 fees.

1999 - 42 exchanges with 14 pending with a success rate of 44.7%.

2000 - I have the document but it doesn’t have the stats listed.

2001 - 35 exchanges with 7 pending with a success rate of 30.7%.

2002 – 33 exchanges with 12 pending with a success rate of 31.1%.

2003 - 21 exchanges and 6 pending exchanges (owed to DVC members). This was an exchange success rate of 47.7% (exchanges/requests)

2004 - 53 exchanges and 14 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 71.6%

2005 - 26 exchanges and 10 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 68.4%

2006 - 42 exchanges and 14 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 54.8%

2007 - 52 exchanges and 15 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 75.4%

2008 - 30 exchanges and 7 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 66.7%

2009 – 66 exchanges and 34 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 61.1%.

2010 – 56 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 81.2%.

2011 – 73 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 67.6%.

2012 – 68 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 54%.

2013 – 53 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 63.9%.




Club Intrawest

For Club Intrawest it's 7 months and 7 days for 6 days or longer (but can't be 7 days) and 4 months 7 days our for stays less than 6 days. And given CI system, that means the chances of getting something good like Xmas or Easter Whistler or Xmas HI is essentially zero.


1999 - 60 exchanges, 25 pending and 44.4% for last year.

2000 - I have the document but it doesn’t have the stats listed.

2001 - 39 exchanges, 8 pending and 27.9% for last year.

2002 - 48 exchanges and 3 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 38.4% (exchanges/requests).

2003 - 111 exchanges and 30 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 57.7%

2004 - 179 exchanges and 33 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 59.3%

2005 - 160 exchanges and 31 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 64.0%

2006 - 249 exchanges and 61 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 68.4%

2007 - 257 exchanges and 54 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 54.7%

2008 - 422 exchanges and 78 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 70.2% (this is a corrected #).

2009 - 346 exchanges and 63 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 69.9%

2010 - 551 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 81.5%

2011 - 617 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 74.1%

2012 – 422 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 52.8%.

2013 – 401 exchanges and 0 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 59.5%.





Editorial 7/21/05 – While the numbers are similar to last year it appears that more were successful or at least less unsuccessful tries this past year. This is likely do to the non refundable fee with those that are mostly window shopping not participating plus maybe a few more choices enticing some that might not have jumped in.

Editorial 6/8/2007 Overall I think the last 2 years show no specific change and can be explained by the growth of the system as a whole. I do wonder if they count cancelled exchanges or if they act like they never happened. Given there are many ways to look at cancelled exchanges, I can see both approaches.

Editorial 6/29/2011 The zero pending exchanges with both BVTC components is interesting. I'm guessing that means they are either ahead of both entities and that the Cordial and CI currently owe DVC members exchangers or that they've simply stopped the system altogether, at least for a while. Added 2014 there must have been a chance either in how reservation are handled or how they are monitored over a few years ago.

Maistre Gracey
07-29-2003, 06:35 PM
Very interesting stats. Thanx Dean, for taking the time to post them. :cool:

jekjones1558
07-29-2003, 06:46 PM
I'm a newbie to the timeshare scene. Could you give your read on these stats, Dean? Is DVC trading well in II or not as compared to other timeshares? Better or worse than previous years? (Ignore this post if this question is inappropriate.) Thanks. A steep learning curve for me. Have been reading TUG to try to educate myself a bit.

qqq
07-29-2003, 07:15 PM
Dean - thanks for posting the exchange info. Disney sent me the auditor's report on BVTC & Intrawest, but nothing on Interval International.

As luck would have it - we have our first II search (Hawaii) in progress right now.

After seeing the 31-38% success rate on BVTC & Intrawest, we figured chances for a successful match with II were pretty dismal. But now I see the chances are actually pretty decent. And if we're flexible enough (time & location) it should be a slam dunk.

Timely post!:smooth:

disney4me4ever
07-29-2003, 07:21 PM
Dean~

Thanks for the interesting post and for following up on this information. You're an asset to this group! :teeth: I was intrigued by the exchange rates, especially II. Gives me hope that my request *might* come through!

Nancy :earsgirl:

Dean
07-29-2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by jekjones1558
I'm a newbie to the timeshare scene. Could you give your read on these stats, Dean? Is DVC trading well in II or not as compared to other timeshares? Better or worse than previous years? (Ignore this post if this question is inappropriate.) Thanks. A steep learning curve for me. Have been reading TUG to try to educate myself a bit. There are many limitations on trading DVC. I think DVC trades well if you get past internal priorities like Marriott. Still, most people who own top resorts for prime time don't exchange them through II. They rent them, use them or do direct exchanges. Still with the 2 year request first option and the chance to say no or check air fare once they call you, it's a nice option to have even if expensive. Just make sure you are getting what you pay for so investigate your choices and do your due diligence.

I think the exchange matches are higher than the past few years. Remember though that if you accepted an exchange, it's counts for them even if it was your last choice.

Dean
07-29-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by qqq
Dean - thanks for posting the exchange info. Disney sent me the auditor's report on BVTC & Intrawest, but nothing on Interval International.

As luck would have it - we have our first II search (Hawaii) in progress right now.

After seeing the 31-38% success rate on BVTC & Intrawest, we figured chances for a successful match with II were pretty dismal. But now I see the chances are actually pretty decent. And if we're flexible enough (time & location) it should be a slam dunk.

Timely post!:smooth: I think you can only do CI 6 months out but the HI property doesn't participate with BVTC. The chances of a match are pretty good assuming you can travel at only 2 months out and don't need a 2 BR. Still, you can always search with DVC while looking for direct exchanges and check with the smaller, independent exchange companies. For HI, it is usually best to get your air fare and take your chances on paying for a hotel room or condo (make a cancellable reservation). That's especially true if one wants to use FF miles.

jekjones1558
07-29-2003, 10:40 PM
Thanks for taking the time to help me get my brain around exchanges. Good tips on airfare and reserving a cancellable hotel or condo as backup. I think that with some airlines (Northwest is big here) it is almost impossible to get FF tickets to HI. Better chance to use miles for upgrading to first class.

Dean
07-30-2003, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by jekjones1558
Thanks for taking the time to help me get my brain around exchanges. Good tips on airfare and reserving a cancellable hotel or condo as backup. I think that with some airlines (Northwest is big here) it is almost impossible to get FF tickets to HI. Better chance to use miles for upgrading to first class. Got four seats direct to Maui for summer, 2002. Called at the 330 day window for the arrival and again at the 330 day window for departure.The cheapest I saw those flights onliine after that was $1000 each. Flew in to Maui and out of Honolulu thus savind one interisland segment. I would have been far better paying a hotel for four than missing the cheap flights.

jekjones1558
07-30-2003, 09:27 AM
Congratulations on a great air deal! I must admit that I have only tried to get FF tickets to HI in the winter months when it is tough even at the 330 day mark. I think Northwest has zero FF seats on some popular flights. (DH doesn't complain about using miles for first class, however. He DREADS the long flight!) I have not tried booking outbound and inbound flights separately. I have 10 months til retirement and will hopefully be able to use all your tips on timeshares and airfare when my time is more my own. Thanks once again for a helpful post!:D

BRADI98
07-30-2003, 04:08 PM
Dean, where are you getting the info on 3 bedroom point schedule? All I see is 270pts high season for a 2 bedroom with II. Please let me know.


Thanks

Dean
07-30-2003, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by jekjones1558
Congratulations on a great air deal! I must admit that I have only tried to get FF tickets to HI in the winter months when it is tough even at the 330 day mark. I think Northwest has zero FF seats on some popular flights. (DH doesn't complain about using miles for first class, however. He DREADS the long flight!) I have not tried booking outbound and inbound flights separately. I have 10 months til retirement and will hopefully be able to use all your tips on timeshares and airfare when my time is more my own. Thanks once again for a helpful post!:D Stayed up to MN for the day the first travel started and then again to MN for the 330 day window for the return flight. Did the same for PV which would have been $800 pp or more for four this summer.

Dean
07-30-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by BRADI98
Dean, where are you getting the info on 3 bedroom point schedule? All I see is 270pts high season for a 2 bedroom with II. Please let me know.


Thanks Every year DVC does an accounting and publishes the rules. They list all the resorts in the program arranged by number of units and also by number of members. They do one for BVTC and one for II. This is (or at least was) a legal requirement in FL. This is valuable information and is where I got the info as it lists both studios and 3 BR. The 3 BR took me by surprise as previously one could search for a 3 BR unit for 2 BR points. Not that there are that many, but it still represents an increase in the points exchange. I still think the studio change was the biggest rip off of the new deal.

Dean
06-24-2004, 07:56 PM
See the OP for some explanations.

Interval International had 2088 exchanges and 446 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 79% (exchanges/requests). There were 375 II exchange options and 74,860 members during 2003. 2.8 % of members exchanged during 2003. I don't yet have the same info for BVTC, I will post it when I get it.

I was surprised at the number and percent of exchanges, not that they increased but to the extent they increased. I did not notice any changes in the system or specifics compared to what I posted in the OP.

INFO ADDED ON 6/28/04

The Cordial Group had 21 exchanges and 6 pending exchanges (owed to DVC members). This was an exchange success rate of 47.7% (exchanges/requests). Far less exchanges than last year.

Club Intrawest had 111 exchanges and 30 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 57.7% (exchanges/requests). This is far more than last year.

rocketriter
06-24-2004, 08:15 PM
Great information!

By the way, I wouldn't be too gloomy about the notion that some people might have only gotten their "last choice." That sounds like they got stuck with the dregs. However, in practice I would hope that every resort that people list as one of their choices would be something they selected, not something they got stuck with out of the blue. There's no reason for someone to list something they hate. So even the last choice is a "choice" and not some kind of failure.

Dean
06-24-2004, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by rocketriter
Great information!

By the way, I wouldn't be too gloomy about the notion that some people might have only gotten their "last choice." That sounds like they got stuck with the dregs. However, in practice I would hope that every resort that people list as one of their choices would be something they selected, not something they got stuck with out of the blue. There's no reason for someone to list something they hate. So even the last choice is a "choice" and not some kind of failure. I agree that this is the way it should be but my experience with DVC members exchanging is not quite as upbeat. I find many DVC members assume that if something is on the DVC list that it will be of equal quality. I also find them making too many assumptions based on the Disney way. For example, members staying at La Cabana in Aruba, a resort where I own, have found themselves quite disappointed. It's off the exhange list now. Same at many other options.

Somone exchanging to Cliff's Club in HI might assume it's on the beach, it's not. Or a DVC member exchanging to Lawaii Beach will likely get a room view that makes the dumpster view look good and not know this is the way it is. Or they might go to the Embassy on Kauai and not know about the extra AC fee of $70 or so. Or more likely, trade 270 DVC points for a room they could have rented for $700-1000.

The point being to research the choices before you list them and before you accept them to make sure what you accept will meet your needs and expectations. Something most experienced timeshare exchangers routinely do but for some reason, many DVC exchangers do not. There are certainly enough regular II exchangers that don't have a clue but it seems to me that the percent is higher for DVC members.

bwvBound
06-24-2004, 09:32 PM
Thanks for updating this thread, Dean -- great stuff!

What do you mean by, "There were 375 II exchange options ..."?

Thanks!

Dean
06-25-2004, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by bwvBound
Thanks for updating this thread, Dean -- great stuff!

What do you mean by, "There were 375 II exchange options ..."?

Thanks! That is the number of exchange choices (resorts) on the II list, I'm assuming at the end of last year. It's actually up around 400 now.

bwvBound
06-25-2004, 08:13 AM
Ah, I understand. Thank you!

ralphd
06-25-2004, 08:14 AM
Dean,

Thanks for the update!

We have only exchanged once and that was to the Royal Garden Hotel in London. Received a telephone confirmation within 24 hours.
The hotel front desk personnel were very nice. They gave us a room at 9:00AM (think check-in was 4:00PM) and they gave us a free room upgrade. Our view from the room included Kensington Garden and to the side was Kensington Palace. The reservation included breakfast (food selection was good).

ralphd:D :D :D :D

Dean
06-25-2004, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by ralphd
Dean,

Thanks for the update!

We have only exchanged once and that was to the Royal Garden Hotel in London. Received a telephone confirmation within 24 hours.
The hotel front desk personnel were very nice. They gave us a room at 9:00AM (think check-in was 4:00PM) and they gave us a free room upgrade. Our view from the room included Kensington Garden and to the side was Kensington Palace. The reservation included breakfast (food selection was good).

ralphd:D :D :D :D Good choice, but everyone should know this is for a Concierge Collection Hotel, not an II exchange.

WebmasterDoc
06-25-2004, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by Dean
Good choice, but everyone should know this is for a Concierge Collection Hotel, not an II exchange.

That's a good point- DVC has a very different relationship with the Concierge Collection. Those hotels/resorts have everything to gain by treating DVC members well (we may well decide to come back another time or they may be able to fill our room by putting us in a more expensive room they can't fill). II resorts have little to gain- and that system is even set up not to promote any favoritism- since all we are doing exchanging some days at our resort for the same number of days.

JimC
06-26-2004, 07:48 AM
Even though Concierge collection has a better relationship, I suspect that revenue enhancement also plays a roll for them to upgrade us. Last minute purchases of rooms are probably going to be standard rooms, not upgraded ones, so moving us up increases the likelihood for more room revenue.

Dean
06-26-2004, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by JimC
Even though Concierge collection has a better relationship, I suspect that revenue enhancement also plays a roll for them to upgrade us. Last minute purchases of rooms are probably going to be standard rooms, not upgraded ones, so moving us up increases the likelihood for more room revenue. I don't think it's better, just different. Timeshare are all over the place as to how they treat exchangers, DVC or otherwise. Some resorts give exchangers the equivilent of the dumpster view as a routine. Others give them the view or exact unit given up depending on whether it's a fixed unit or floating unit. Some charge exchangers extra, DVC does this. This might include paying for parking, AC use or even a mandatory all inclusive fee in some cases. The possibilities are almost endless.

It actually starts before the week is ever given to II (or RCI). In many cases the resort controls which week is and is not given to II and at times even when it is given, again DVC comes to mind (though it has no impact with search first). DVC does this and it likely affects trade power slightly though not as much as some other resorts where there is not a generic corporate membership.

Dean
06-28-2004, 07:28 PM
I updated my post of 06-24-2004 08:56 PM with th Cordial and Club Intrawest info.

Dean
07-21-2005, 05:35 PM
I wanted to post the additional info I got from this years II and BVTC audit. Here’s the points exchange grid:
Studio - 106 Low/123 Mid/134 High
1 BR - 124 Low/144 Mid/160 High
2 BR - 207 Low/252 Mid/270 High
3 BR - 276 Low/317 Mid/349 High


Interval International exchanges

2001 - 1141 exchanges, 241 pending and 53.6% success rate. 1.9% of members had exchanged during 2001. 332 properties were listed with II during 2001 and at that time there were 60,251 members.

2002 - 1396 exchanges and 277 pending exchanges for a success rate of 74.6%. There 336 II exchange options (# of resorts) and 68,875 members. Overall 2% of members exchanged.

2003 - 2088 exchanges and 446 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 79% (exchanges/requests). There were 375 II exchange options and 74,860 members during 2003.

2004 - 2376 exchanges, 586 pending and 89.3% success rate. 2.8% of members had exchanged during 2004. 432 properties were listed with II during 2004 and at that time there were 85,017 members.

Club Cordial

Reservations for Cordial are made by paper, so takes a few days. They can be made up to 10 months and 7 days out. If you want to schedule more than one, you have separate $75 fees.

2001 - 35 exchanges with 7 pending with a success rate of 30.7%.

2002 – 33 exchanges with 12 pending with a success rate of 31.1%.

2003 - 21 exchanges and 6 pending exchanges (owed to DVC members). This was an exchange success rate of 47.7% (exchanges/requests)

2004 - 53 exchanges and 14 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 71.6%

Club Intrawest

For Club Intrawest it's 7 months and 7 days for 6 days or longer (but can't be 7 days) and 4 months 7 days our for stays less than 6 days. And given CI system, that means the chances of getting something good like Xmas or Easter Whistler or Xmas HI is essentially zero.

2001 - 39 exchanges, 8 pending and 27.9% for last year.

2002 - 48 exchanges and 3 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 38.4% (exchanges/requests).

2003 - 111 exchanges and 30 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 57.7%

2004 - 179 exchanges and 33 pending exchanges. This was an exchange success rate of 59.3%

Editorial 7/21/05 – While the numbers are similar to last year it appears that more were successful or at least less unsuccessful tries this past year. This is likely do to the non refundable fee with those that are mostly window shopping not participating plus maybe a few more choices enticing some that might not have jumped in.Just to bump this since I've edited the first post to include all the pertinent available info in the OP from 2001 through 2004.

Dean
08-13-2005, 09:09 AM
i was going back through some paperwork from when I originally joined. It is interesting that the RCI exchanges in 1992 & 1993 accounted for 2.09% & 2.47%, not that much different than today's exchanges. So even in the first couple of years DVC members exchanged as much as now, that surprised me. BTW, there were a total of 3688 members in 1992 & 8147 in 1993. Essentially 100% were matched though I guess we need to remember that the procedure at that time was to deposit first. It's also interesting that the BVTC included Vacation Club Internationale and HGVC during 1993 in addition to Club Cordial.

Dean
06-19-2006, 08:01 PM
I added the info through Dec, 05 just released earlier this month. No real surprises from last year other than a slide in the BVTC exchanges.

rocketriter
06-20-2006, 06:14 AM
Thanks, Dean, for the updates.

MrsNick
06-20-2006, 12:47 PM
Just want to say: Dean you ROCK! :thumbsup2

Thank you so much for all the posts.

Pluto,
06-20-2006, 03:35 PM
thanks very interesting anyone know how many members we have now?

Dean
06-08-2007, 08:59 PM
thanks very interesting anyone know how many members we have now?I didn't know at that point other than the numbers at the end of 2005 which were in my edited OP. At the end of 2006 it's 110K.

I just added the 2006 info and corrected a couple of typo's from last year. No real surprises.

Snookies
06-10-2007, 11:27 PM
Dean, I'll apologize in advance because you have probably "covered" this same ground many times in previous posts, but what are your thoughts about an explanation for the increase in the II exchange success rate between 2001 and 2006?

poohmomof5
06-11-2007, 06:25 AM
Thanks Dean,

You are so kind to publish this! Very interesting stats for a math geek like me.

From reading your posts you seem to be a very experienced Time Share user/owner. It is great of you to share your knowledge!

Poohmom :hippie:

tomandrobin
06-11-2007, 06:49 AM
Thanks for taking the time to compile and on going list of external DVC trades. Its good to see the success rate increase throughout the years. I am assuming it is related to the increase in options that we can trade into via II or the other systems.

Where does 3% rank in the timeshare world for owners to trade out of the system? 3% seems to indicate a pretty loyal following, but I'm sure that number is held low by members renting/lending out thier points to family and friends instead of trading. I'm sure that banking points not being used also helps in not trading out.

kend58
06-11-2007, 09:15 AM
I just added the 2006 info and corrected a couple of typo's from last year. No real surprises.

Dean thanks for the post I find the stats interesting and appreciate you including the other programs data for comparison

hrsmom
06-11-2007, 09:52 AM
Wonderful information on this thread! Thank you for sharing. We have no plans to exchange anytime in the near future but may want to try it eventually.

Dean
06-11-2007, 09:10 PM
First, I've gone back and added any additional info I had which includes some 19922 & 1993 info as well as most of the 1998-2000 info.

Dean, I'll apologize in advance because you have probably "covered" this same ground many times in previous posts, but what are your thoughts about an explanation for the increase in the II exchange success rate between 2001 and 2006?Actually if you go back to the early days when DVC was with RCI the success rates and percent of owners exchanging was more in line with where they are now from the limited info I've seen. Realize that what I'll say now is simply my interpretation of the information available. Remember that DVC changed the rules fairly early in 2002 from a system that was hard to understand to the current one where you MOSTLY know how many points it'll cost when you exchange. This spurred an increased in exchanges. The members simply did not understand the old system and thus many shied away from it. The old system was better in many ways though IMO. If members used the current system correctly and appropriately, I'd think that the success rate should exceed 95%. Remember that the definition of a successful exchange is that you accepted something, not that you go what you wanted. I assume that canceled exchanges are not counted in the denominator but they should be in most cases I feel. So the real question to me is why was it so low before, my guess is a combo of lack of planning ahead and trying for the pie in the sky matches.


Thanks for taking the time to compile and on going list of external DVC trades. Its good to see the success rate increase throughout the years. I am assuming it is related to the increase in options that we can trade into via II or the other systems.

Where does 3% rank in the timeshare world for owners to trade out of the system? 3% seems to indicate a pretty loyal following, but I'm sure that number is held low by members renting/lending out thier points to family and friends instead of trading. I'm sure that banking points not being used also helps in not trading out.See above for the first question. I'm afraid I don't have a lot of info on how members at other resorts fare in these terms. The limited info I have suggests that DVC members tend to exchange less than most any other group though any high quality resort during a high season tends to have a lot of "loyalty" as well. The numbers are comparable with the Marriott's on HH for summer from what I've seen. If you get to somewhere that requires major air like Aruba, MX or HI; the % of owners using their weeks drops off from what I've seen. I've seen numbers for HI that suggest that only about 50% of owners use their week (including private rentals) but that's very limited info. Most states don't require the audit info that FL does, I wonder if any of the others on this board that own in FL have the audit info. I'd be especially interested in the Orlando Marriott's though I know that they would have a MUCH higher rate of exchange for a number of reasons.

The real question to me is how successful are non DVC members when they attempt to exchange and my guess is it depends on how far out they plan and how realistic they are in their requests.

Snookies
06-11-2007, 09:19 PM
...I'd be especially interested in the Orlando Marriott's though I know that they would have a MUCH higher rate of exchange for a number of reasons...

A sister-in-law owns 2 weeks at 2 different Marriotts in Orlando. I'll ask her if she has any info to share about Orlando Marriott exchange stats.

Dean
06-11-2007, 09:38 PM
A sister-in-law owns 2 weeks at 2 different Marriotts in Orlando. I'll ask her if she has any info to share about Orlando Marriott exchange stats.She'd likely have to ask Marriott to send her the documents if she were so inclined.

Snookies
06-11-2007, 10:39 PM
I don't think this would be a problem. She and her husband are not the least bit shy or reserved about such things. Having the time and/or remembering to do it is of course an entirely different matter.

3DisneyKids
06-11-2007, 11:44 PM
Learning, always learning....

Thanks, Dean! :goodvibes

lisareniff
06-13-2007, 12:20 PM
Thanks for the data! :goodvibes

Dean
07-09-2008, 05:36 PM
bumping because I updated the data to include the 2007 calendar year audit. No real changes overall other than a slight upward trend on the number of II exchanges.

bwvBound
07-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Dean,

Thanks always for the update. Could you verify the Club Cordial success rate (shown as 575.4%)?

MODS: Please allow this thread to remain open. I understand your discouraging the resurrecting of old threads -- but this thread's history is part of its value.

Dean
07-10-2008, 06:44 AM
Dean,

Thanks always for the update. Could you verify the Club Cordial success rate (shown as 575.4%)?

MODS: Please allow this thread to remain open. I understand your discouraging the resurrecting of old threads -- but this thread's history is part of its value.Thanks, I'll correct it.

islandtimect
07-10-2008, 08:11 PM
For the II exchanges, are these for both II owners trading into DVC and DVC owners trading into II???? Any info on # of months before arrival that an II ressie came through?? Trying to decide when to give up on a search and just book directly with what I know I can get.

thanks

Dean
07-11-2008, 05:29 AM
For the II exchanges, are these for both II owners trading into DVC and DVC owners trading into II???? Any info on # of months before arrival that an II ressie came through?? Trying to decide when to give up on a search and just book directly with what I know I can get.

thanksThis info is related to DVC members trading out through II or BVTC. From my info the peaks for when most trades occur vary by region and even by resort. Overall you can see several peaks when you will match. For most it's a year out, 6 months out and 2 months out. Many times it's when the fees are due. For Marriott's it's 2 months, 6 mo, 12 & 13 months out. You must decide when to give up based on your personal situation and when it's no longer feasible to accept a given trade. Issues like air, esp FF miles, come into play. If you can position yourself to accept a trade within the 2 mo window you will dramatically increase your chances of success. Often a cancelable condo rental or hotel reservation can be a good option. What are you looking for?

islandtimect
07-11-2008, 09:49 AM
Dean, thanks for the clarification and really appreciate your analysis. We're looking for south FL and the Caribbean next yr in Feb, April, June or Nov - the Hyatts in Key West, resorts in Captiva Island, Westin St John, and Atlantis Harborside. We don't care which one comes through or which month. But as you said, the problem is in needing to book flights as far in advance as possible in order to use FF miles or pay reasonable airfare.

Dean
07-11-2008, 05:59 PM
Dean, thanks for the clarification and really appreciate your analysis. We're looking for south FL and the Caribbean next yr in Feb, April, June or Nov - the Hyatts in Key West, resorts in Captiva Island, Westin St John, and Atlantis Harborside. We don't care which one comes through or which month. But as you said, the problem is in needing to book flights as far in advance as possible in order to use FF miles or pay reasonable airfare.Don't be surprised if you don't get anything from that list even if you're looking for a 1 BR and all weeks during those months. With II, there are few options that will match before 12 months out and not that many that will be available at the 330 mark when you need to do FF miles reservations. Plus with DVC you no longer have the option of holding a match while you check air fare although with II directly you now can for non DVC members. That's not to say you won't get something but I'd put a guess of around 20-30% as the chances of getting anything 1 BR or larger from that list even if you let it ride until 2 months out from Nov, 09. No harm done in looking though other than the air issue. You should likely look at a private trade with a Westin owner for Atlantis or a Hyatt owner for Key West or the SW coast of FL, etc. The most likely matches would be Captiva and Coconut Plantation for early Nov.

Dean
07-25-2009, 08:04 PM
I have updated the first post with the 2008 data. II is only partial as no formal audit was apparently done due to the changeover.

tomandrobin
07-25-2009, 09:07 PM
Thanks Dean....I am really looking forward to seeing the 2009 exchange numbers. I am surprised by the amount of DVC availabilty in RCI vs to what I use to see in II.

Dean
07-26-2009, 08:09 AM
Thanks Dean....I am really looking forward to seeing the 2009 exchange numbers. I am surprised by the amount of DVC availabilty in RCI vs to what I use to see in II.Me too. I suspect DVC has done a fair amount of developer deposits, something they essentially never did in II. Also, the newness and fact that RCI members generally plan further ahead and thus had plans in place already for the time in question likely had an impact. RCI also has more strict trade power rules where II used resort quality as the main aspect in matching exchange requests.

tomandrobin
07-26-2009, 08:31 AM
Me too. I suspect DVC has done a fair amount of developer deposits, something they essentially never did in II. Also, the newness and fact that RCI members generally plan further ahead and thus had plans in place already for the time in question likely had an impact. RCI also has more strict trade power rules where II used resort quality as the main aspect in matching exchange requests.

Unfortunately for me, all of my resorts are II only, unlike some of the older Starwood resorts that are dual affiliated.

Mickey'sApprentice
07-26-2009, 02:37 PM
I noticed a big jump in numbers for Club Intrawest.

I wonder how much of that is related to the CI - Sandestin.

Thanks for the info Dean.

Dean
07-26-2009, 03:19 PM
I noticed a big jump in numbers for Club Intrawest.

I wonder how much of that is related to the CI - Sandestin.

Thanks for the info Dean.There was just as large a jump in II exchanges as CI. I doubt Sandestin has much to do with it. More likely a combo of more members being comfortable and the Developer Points.

Dean
07-25-2010, 02:08 PM
I've updated the first post with the info I've been able to get from DVC. Unfortunately for RCI, what they provided was the overall RCI audit for the various components including RCI weeks, RCI points and the Registry Collection, not that of DVC's participation. I've asked for more info, we'll see what else they can provide.

lisareniff
07-25-2010, 07:30 PM
Thank you Dean.

Dean
06-29-2011, 09:02 PM
Updated the 2010 audit information, unfortunately it's not very helpful where RCI is concerned.

tomandrobin
12-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Dean

Any more updates on RCI exchange stats?

Also, based on the your statement below, what would you say the success rate if they did not ignore the unused points?

They give a success rate of 82.7% but they get it in a different way than I would expect. They take the points used divided by points no longer usable. It ignores unused but still valid points and their outcome.

Tom

Dean
12-14-2011, 07:24 PM
Dean

Any more updates on RCI exchange stats?

Also, based on the your statement below, what would you say the success rate if they did not ignore the unused points?



TomYou can find the RCI stats on their respective websites for points and weeks. DVC is not publishing their own at the time. As for their method, I'm not sure I have a great answer. The accounting plays off the traditional system of weeks where you either deposit first or request first. Either way you can measure unfulfilled requests. With RCI points it's an instant system where there's no way to measure demand, only exchanges and the number of remaining points. Neither system has ever measured (formally at least) how acceptable a given exchange was to the member. In other words, it acts as if any exchange was your first choice.

What it appears to me is they ignore outstanding points that are unused in their calculations of the % of successful exchanges. What I read is they basically take the number of exchanges done and compare that to the number of points used plus the number of points expired in the year and that's how they come up with the exchange % ignoring unused points that are still good. They they also calculate the number of exchanges that are owed by assuming that 44K points equals one exchange and then divide the number of outstanding points by 44K to determine how many are still pending.

For the weeks side the confirmed exchange % is the number of confirmed exchanges divided by exchanges filled plus requests that went unfilled. If there was an error, it appears they don't count that against their number even if they entered it as an exchange request.

Dean
09-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Bump for new years info. Unfortunately DVC now simply lists the RCI info so no DVC specific exchange audit.

tomandrobin
09-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Bump for new years info. Unfortunately DVC now simply lists the RCI info so no DVC specific exchange audit.

More of the same.....Disappointing.

Dean
08-20-2014, 09:13 PM
I updated the Club Cordial and Club Intrawest info as well as the modest changes in the exchange costs (# of points) in the first post.