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Banzai
05-30-2001, 03:18 PM
I was at www.imdb.com and saw that they are making Mulan 2! When did this happen? It does say that it will be direct to video.

Brad

Another Voice
05-30-2001, 07:18 PM
"Rumor" has it that Disney will be cutting back new animated features to once every two or three years. In their place, direct-to-video sequels and movie versions of animated television series will be released three times a year. 'Peter Pan 2' is just about complete and 'Cinderella 2' will be out in the near future. There's also talk of 'Dumbo 2' was well as a film about The Seven Dwarves (without Snow White). While these films are made to be direct-to-video releases (and produced overseas by non-Disney animators), some of the better ones [sic] may be given a theatrical release.

Sarangel
05-30-2001, 09:00 PM
This I think is a terrible mistake. All of these cheap, knock offs of the best Disney films only serve to make the Disney brand less desireable. I've seen all the ones out at the moment, but I'm *highly* unimpressed. The stories are preachy, the dialog is uninspired, the animation is mediocre.... I could go on, but you get the idea.

Somebody tell Eisner to kill this plan & just make high quality, beautifully drawn features & we'll all go home happy.

Sarangel

Another Voice
05-30-2001, 09:58 PM
There’s a rumor that a VERY top animator at Disney told Eisner exactly that right to the man’s face, and right in front of the animation staff. If Feature Animation is “punished” for ‘Atlantis’ as the rumors go, he’s going to lead what little staff is left right over to Dreamworks. Disney’s building a whole new animation building at their Disney/MGM Studios – Paris; I wonder if there’s going to be anyone in the offices?

Eisner’s relation with the Feature Animation division has always been bad. For a while, he had Katzenberg to serve as a firewall between him and the animators. Now that The Midget is gone, there’s no one to gloss over the distain the two groups feel for each other. Some that followed Katezenberg tried to make the situation work (like Joe Roth), but the current guy is viewed as nothing but a yes-droid for Eisner (especially after what he did to ‘Dinosaur’). It’s truly sad how bad the situation has gotten.

DisneyFanGuy
05-30-2001, 11:06 PM
I am going to be sick. The moment "Dumbo 2" hits the shelves is the last day I will spend a dime on Disney. I just can't stand to see them destroy this incredible arm of their brand. What the heck are they doing?

My kids all eagerly awaited "Little Mermaid 2". They were aghast at how bad it was. They just saw "Lady and the Tramp 2". My 12 year old daughter asked me why Disney was making bad sequels to wonderful films. She is the next generation of guest for them.

Maybe I am taking all of this toooooo personally.

Panthius
05-31-2001, 06:40 AM
If it hasn't been clear to people before, it should now be very clear and understandable that the present Disney run by Michael Ei$ner and his yes men is all about money. Don't get me wrong as I know it takes money to run such a company as the Walt Disney Company, but Disney is all based around money. What they do, they do it for the money and if they don't do something, most likely the would not have made enough money for it to be worth their effort. These cheap part 2 straight to video releases are a pefect example of the present mindset of Disney executives, "How can we make the most money with the least investment?" Now to add to this, people are buying and renting these sequels and as long as this happens, they are going to keep making these movies. Personally the only part two that I saw was Aladdin, and I rented it at that, but since I have only been shocked at the other straight to video releases. How do you make a second Beauty and the Beast? Wasn't the Beast human at the end of the movie? How do you make a second Cinderella, didn't they live happily ever after? How do you make a sequel to any classic movie? What Disney is now doing could be akin to a movie studio trying to make Casblanca 2. in addition to trying to make money off of a classic animation films popularity and name, they are not even being made up to the standards that I have come to know a Disney film by. At leats if they are going to do this, they should at least have the respect for the classics to make the quality of the animation somewhat close to the previous films. Basically my point is as long as people by these horrible part 2's, Disney's current management will keep having them made.

Panthius

Banzai
06-03-2001, 07:34 PM
bump

Another Voice
06-04-2001, 11:06 AM
Rumors are now circulating that 'Peter Pan 2: Back to Neverland' will be given a theatrical release around Spring Break 2002. This one was originaly planned for a direct-to-video release.

SPAGo 98
06-05-2001, 12:17 AM
Disney is making these cruddy sequels simply because they make money. I believe Walt said something about how he would never make a sequel? Not sure.

They may release some theatrically since films like Recess: School's Out were supposed to be Straight to Video, but made lots of money when they were released into theaters. These cost very little to make bust still pull in millions at the box office, resulting in great profit$ for ei$ner.

JeffJewell
06-05-2001, 06:58 AM
but what division inside Disney is handling Monsters, Inc Accounts Payable.

Jeff

bobmouse65
06-05-2001, 09:03 AM
Why? Mulan is such a good movie, it should stand alone.IMO

ladyntramplover
06-05-2001, 09:18 AM
Here's a scary thought for all of us...If Disney is creating sequels to all the classics, does this mean that they'll also be doing sequels to the "non" classics? Just imagine the fun with "The Great Mouse Detective 2" or the zany hijinx in "The Black Cauldron 2." Personally, I'd rather see a great animated film every two or three years instead of two or three straight to video releases each year.

lady

DVC-Landbaron
06-05-2001, 09:25 AM
I believe Walt said something about how he would never make a sequel? Not sure.

In the "Walt Stuff" thread this topic was broached. I provided the following:
"I believe the fun is in building something in bringing new things to life. We never do the same thing twice. After we've finished a job....we head in another direction. We're always opening new doors." - Walt Disney

You do know about Walt and the Three Little Pigs story don't you? Seems one of Walt's early successes was the Three Little Pigs. So Walt set out to do what was even then standard practice in the industry. He produced a sequel. It BOMBED!!!! Taught Walt a valuable lesson. And for the rest of his life he carried a motto from that lesson. "YOU CAN'T TOP PIGS WITH PIGS!!" Now in all fairness, I can't remember if the right word is "follow" or "top", but the meaning should come through.

Hope this helps further your education of "Walt Stuff". You can never get enough.

PS: Father's day is approaching. I have requested "The Quotable Walt Disney". This is just fair warning!! ;)

Another Voice
06-05-2001, 11:04 AM
I’d like to take a moment here to publicly apologize to everyone on DIS board for bringing up the book ‘The Quotable Walt Disney’ in front of DVC-Landbaron. It was a thoughtless act, performed in haste and without consideration of the consequences of my actions. For which I have so carelessly unleashed upon the innocent, I unreservedly and without hesitation accept full responsibility. I await your judgment.

;)


And for you Baron – page 15: “Our field of entertainment still has many new and exciting and wonderful things to bring to the restless public wanting variety and novelty in the movie theater. The only thing we should fear and be on constant guard against is getting bogged down – getting into the ruts of monotony and timeworn repetitions which the business of entertainment cannot long stand”.

YoHo
06-05-2001, 11:34 AM
Its okay AV, I've personally bought every copy of that book in the greater CHicago area. I am currently in talks with Barnes & Noble, AMazon and Borders to ensure that no-where on the internet will he be able to get such a book. I like to call it self preservation. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

DVC-Landbaron
06-05-2001, 01:36 PM
I'd like to take a moment here to publicly apologize to everyone on DIS board for bringing up the book 'The Quotable Walt Disney' in front of DVC-Landbaron. It was a thoughtless act… Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
Too late!!
Its okay AV, I've personally bought every copy of that book in the greater Chicago area.
Too late!! Again. Word in the DVC house is that the book is already in hand!!!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

YoHo
06-05-2001, 01:53 PM
DOH!!!!!!:jester:

TDC Blue Fairy
06-05-2001, 08:07 PM
I love the "You can't top pigs with pigs" quote!!! For those that are interested.....on the end of the latest release of Pinocchio (before the Gold version), they talk about Walt refusing to make a sequel for Snow White, and that he chose Pinocchio instead.....Dumbo 2 is indeeed in production from what I had read, but I am agast at the Peter Pan II that you have just mentioned, I knew nothing of it. What is next, are they going to make Tink speak? Some things are just WRONG! The Cinderella II trailer was enough to make me weep....the story was OVER! I don't want to know that Cindy and her Prince are having fertility problems, okay? It should be left to the imagination. I have no problem if they want to do sequels to features that came after Walt passed, but there is a line that should not be crossed....Walt created HIS features with a beginning, middle, and END! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Another Voice
06-05-2001, 08:32 PM
There's more to come. I just heard about a pitch for another 'Jungle Book' and another 'Bambi' (what are we going to get - Bambi out to avenge his mother?).

In addition to the video sequels, the live action group has also started work on remaking some of the '60's & '70s films. Yet another remake of 'The Love Bug' has been in pre-production for a while and they've just hired a writer for 'Escape From Witch Mountain'. Others are in the works as well.

They're also developing several stories based on attractions. Besides 'The Country Bear Jamboree', versions of 'Pirate of the Carribean', 'Haunted Mansion' and 'Big Thunder' are in the works. Granted that 10% of the spec scripts that come to Disney start with:

FADE IN:

SOUND OVER BLACK:

DISEMBODIED VOICE
When hinges creak in doorless chambers...


It's just no one every took them seriously before.

Douglas Dubh
06-07-2001, 11:39 AM
"I believe Walt said something about how he would never make a sequel?"

Walt made sequels - the Davy Crockett movies, Son of Flubber. Were some of the Herbie movies done before his death? Certainly there were sequels soon after his death - Return to Witch Mountain, The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again.

If there was a blanket prohibition against sequels, we would never had had a Toy Story 2 - the second highest money making animated picture (and a good film too). My kids (6 & 4) have loved all the direct to video sequels. I personally like Rescuers Down Under better than the Rescuers, and Pocohauntus 2 better than the first.

TDC Blue Fairy
06-09-2001, 09:50 AM
Well, now, its quite true that live action sequels were done.....but there were no ANIMATED sequels in Walt's day.....in fact, to my knowledge, I think that the first animated movie to have a sequel is The Rescuers.....feel free to correct me if I am wrong. If I remember correctly, The Rescuers was released in 1977, so that is not even a story that was in development when Walt died. I have no problem whatsoever with sequels to movies that were made after Walt's death....they do not carry his touch, and I honestly believe that there are a few of them that have been done well. But I still think that there are some things that should not be messed with. Cinderella, Peter Pan, Snow White, Dumbo, as well as many, many others, were left to our imagination when the credits rolled, and to me, creating a sequel is kind of like Disney telling me that this is what happily ever after HAS to be like, and that is something that should be left to each of us to decide. Its kind of Big Brotherish to me, I guess. Just my opinion, yours may vary :) :p :) :p :bounce: :bounce:

Mulan
06-11-2001, 07:23 PM
Like Douglas, I enjoyed Rescuers Down Under more than the original. But Pocahantas 2 STUNK. IMO, all the direct-to-video sequels are BAD. Toy Story 2 was supposed to be direct to video, but was shaping up so well that they decided to make it a theatrical film. That was an exception. All the others have been just terrible. Some are okay at best.

I have seen quite a few of them out of curiosity, but I prefer to view them as just a made-up story that takes place after the original. I don't see them as what really happened to our beloved characters. Granted, Pocahantas 2 tried to stay at least closer to what really happened to the real Pocahontas. But after seeing the original film and getting to know the film characters, I felt Pocahontas 2 totally betrayed a lot of the characters, especially John Smith. But I digress . . .

If they can make the sequels entertaining and high quality, then great! But their track record is not encouraging.

DisneyFanGuy
06-12-2001, 10:17 AM
Mulan, you captured my thoughts exactly. My largest issue with most of the sequels of RECENT movies is that they have been awful and betrayed the characters. If they had been done with care and with stories that made sense, I would be looking forward to more of them. (Rescuers 2 and TS2 were wonderful exceptions)

I have no objection to sequels in general.

It's when the sequels are clearly cheap "Let's make some quick cash" flicks that I get really upset.

I will say it again...I expect more from Disney. They built their brand up in my head to a level where they could do nothing wrong. I loved the brand and have closely followed the company for years.

Also, there are some brand icons that just should never be touched.

In my company, Tricon Global Restaurants, one of our brands is KFC. A few years ago, they tried to bring back the founder (dead for 20 years), Co. Sanders, in commercials by using an actor. They received TENS OF THOUSANDS of letters complaining that they had not shown enough respect for his memory.

They quickly yanked the campaign. Now they use a cartoon character that is clearly not supposed to be taken seriously as a spokesperson.

Imagine if Disney hired an actor to play Walt, and had him introduce films on TV or do commercials for Disney World vacations. People would absolutely freak out.

Well that is the same reaction that I have to Dumbo 2, Snow White 2, Bambi 2, etc. These are icons that should never be touched. The newer characters haven't achieved the same level of "Classic" perception. Use them if you like, but stay true to the characters and spend the resources to do it correctly please, Disney.

The Hunt
06-12-2001, 10:41 AM
As bad as some of the sequels have been, they are still superior to the vast majority of kids' video product--I guess that's why they sell. I actually liked the first Beauty and the Beast sequel (or maybe it was a "midquel" because it took place in the middle of the first movie's story). I think it's called Belle's Enchanted Christmas or something like that. I also thought the sequel to Lion King was decent. I question the idea of a sequel to something like Snow White, because I can't believe they'll take the effort to match the style of the original.

As far as Bambi, the author of Bambi wrote a sequel to the first book. And didn't J.M. Barrie write a sequel to Peter Pan? Of course, I doubt if Disney's sequels will have anything to do with those books.

Douglas Dubh
06-12-2001, 01:58 PM
"Pocahantas 2 STUNK. . . Granted, Pocahantas 2 tried to stay at least closer to what really happened to the real Pocahontas."

I think that's why I liked it better - that and that it didn't have all the "rocks have spirits" stuff of the first.

"As bad as some of the sequels have been, they are still superior to the vast majority of kids' video product--I guess that's why they sell."

I'll take Lady and the Tramp 2 over Rugrats in Paris or a Pokemon movie any day.

"As far as Bambi, the author of Bambi wrote a sequel to the first book. And didn't J.M. Barrie write a sequel to Peter Pan? "

Bring on the Tarzan sequels! After all, ERB wrote 24 of those.

The Hunt
06-12-2001, 02:52 PM
"Bring on the Tarzan sequels! After all, ERB wrote 24 of those."

Some of them are pretty cool, too. If they did "Tarzan at the Earth's Core," we could have Tarzan AND dinosaurs.

Mulan
06-12-2001, 03:36 PM
"Pocahantas 2 STUNK. . . Granted, Pocahantas 2 tried to stay at least closer to what really happened to the real Pocahontas."

I think that's why I liked it better - that and that it didn't have all the "rocks have spirits" stuff of the first.



I think my reaction to Pocahontas 2 had more to do with the original film itself, not the real-life people both films were loosely based on. Within the context of only the original Pocahontas film, I felt that Pocahontas 2 was a disappointment, particularly regarding the Pocahontas-John Smith love story. Those characters were portrayed as the loves of each other's lives in the original. When they went their separate ways in the sequel, it was like Snow White and Prince Charming realizing that they really weren't meant for each other. At least, that's what it felt like to me. Also, the music in the original is so far superior. "Just Around the River Bend" is one of my all time faves. As you can tell, I really liked Pocahontas 1. :D

NativeAtlantean
06-13-2001, 10:36 PM
remember the disney company originally slotted toy story 2 for a

direct-to-vdeo release, but they thought it was so good that it

deseved to be released theatrically, so Peter Pan 2 must not be all

that bad. :p :bounce: :p