Auto Stunt Show Being Built This Year?

[Planogirl]

I thought that I read that this project was delayed until next year and that the Osborne Lights would still happen this Christmas. This thread disputes that: http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=396805

Good question in that thread I thought. What will it mean to the Indy Stunt Show?

[Peter Pirate]

So is the auto stunt show a go then?

It isn't something I'd particularily be thrilled with but anything new is really ok wth me. What I'm supremely worried about (like everyone) is the fate of the Osbourne Lighs. This has become a Christmas Tradition with us (and we have few traditions)...

[KNWVIKING]

***"Confirming an earlier report, the Osborne Light Spectacle will not be shown this year. Due to impending construction on New York and Residential Streets on the new stunt show to be built in the area, having the lights would be nearly impossible. Although the celebration would not occur this year, it would resume in 2004." ***


This is at www.mgmstudios.org. I don't know how relieable it is.

[Planogirl]

I guess that when the bulldozers show up next Monday, we can be certain that the Backlot is closing at any rate. :)

Thanks scoop. I appreciate the good news about Indy.

[Maridw]

We watched Travel Channel Secrets on Tuesday night and it showed the Auto Stunt Show at Disneyland Paris. If the one here is going to be anything like that, it shouldnt be too bad.

[DisneyKidds]

but for, Mr. Kidds persistent posting and PM inquiries
Hey Scoop, if your friend is mad at you he is dead wrong. In any event, don't blame me. I cutivated rumors, bits, and pieces from a number of places and 1+2+3 equalled something was indeed happening. You didn't leak that. From there I was given the old "there are lots of rumors" speech by a certain poster, but I was steadfast in my belief that something was happening. Then, via PM, I turned to you, and all you did was shake your virtual head yea or nay to a statement or two that I made. You passed on no specific info, and your head shakings were in no way passed on to the public, certainly not by me. Again, you leaked nothing on this one as far as I know and the info was out there via other sources. I suggest you tell your friend that.

As for the stunt show, most rumors I have seen place it as a 2004 addition. However, some rumors have the demolition of Residential Street beginning this week or next.

There have been many rumors regarding the Osborne Lights. One rumor suggested that the demolition of Residential Street was delayed and the lights would show this year. That appears to have been unfounded. Other rumors place the lights on NY Street this holiday season, but I don't know about that - it seems unlikely.

[EUROPA]

Just a quick question does the Stunt Show in Paris run everyday or is one of those attractions that has on and off days?

[RweTHEREyet]

If the stunt show is the same one that is shown in Paris, then it looks really good. I saw something about it on the Travel Channel this week and it looked amazaing to me.

[SoonerKate]

If the stunt show is "Moteurs....Action!" that would be wonderful. I couldn't care less about cars, and I'm usually not one for shows, but that stunt show is amazing.

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by EUROPA
Just a quick question does the Stunt Show in Paris run everyday or is one of those attractions that has on and off days?


Nevermid I found out...seem the stunt show in Paris only shows a set number of days a week. That is why they were on strike latley. Lets hope they can bump that up when it comes here. We have so many people that don't plan around here that they might not get to see the show otherwise.

[d-r]

scoop have you heard anything about what they'll do to disneyland's tomorrowland - it is in such bare shape - will they have an announcement of anything July 17?

[DisneyKidds]

So, there DK.
Thanks Scoop. In all my time here so far that is the most complete list of what's in the pipeline that I have seen. Of course everything is subject to change, but it will be interesting to see who shows up to say that you are completely :crazy: for believing that Disney would ever do those things, or that what you listed is nowehere near enough ;) (although they could use more major news for 2004).

[wdwguide]

Originally posted by thedscoop

2005--Spring--New World Showcase Pavilion, most likely Spain,


They'll have to get going very soon then, considering how long it's been taking them to construct new rides recently, and here we're talking about a whole pavilion. What type of a ride are we talking about here? I am a bit worried, considering that Epcot doesn't yet have a Dumbo-clone...

[DC7800]

Originally posted by wdwguide
They'll have to get going very soon then, considering how long it's been taking them to construct new rides recently, and here we're talking about a whole pavilion. What type of a ride are we talking about here? I am a bit worried, considering that Epcot doesn't yet have a Dumbo-clone...

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Even if the date slips a little (certainly possible), at most they have two years. If this is to be a major addition, they had better get going.

I'm even more curious about the proposed 2006 Epcot Future World E-ticket. Is this totally new constructon, or is this the rumored (and dreaded) changes to Spaceship Earth (or perhaps The Living Seas?) we've heard about previously? Any details?

And yes, 2004 is certainly lacking (WDW won't solve its attendance problems next year - not with new attractions, at least). I suppose if much were coming for next year the evidence (construction) would already be obvious.

I really hate to say that no, this list really isn't enough, because - depending on the specific attraction mix - it is a beginning (it is just wholly inadequate to really "fix" the parks' problems. Consider that this still gives AK just one more major attraction). My real fear is that when all is said and done, the budget for some for these attractions just won't be there, or will have been drastically reduced (remember Dinorama).

[d-r]

I see what you are saying about not wanting people to decide to wait two years when there will be more stuff.

[MelissathePooh]

I can't help it, but that list seems like a lot to me considering all the years WDW was building up and you may have gotten one something new once every few years! But I've been going since 1973!

Melissa

[Lewisc]

Originally posted by thedscoop

However, while we might love a new E ticket every year, the reality is that neither Disney or Universal is going to be able to offer a new feature attraction every single year, year after year.
.....
Sure, you can't simply create one awesome feature attraction every 10 years and say "But, hey it's full of quality!" That would kill your lucrative repeat business revenue.
..........
But, I'd much rather have Disney or Universal add a new feature attraction every three or four years (as opposed to a new coaster every year) as long as the quality of that attraction is worth the wait.



What about "recyling" old attractions. Buzz Lightyear for example. Doesn't that get us a "new" attraction at a discount?

New movie in Star Tours might work.

[raidermatt]

Sorry, but one every 3 or 4 years isn't going to do it. Yeah, WDW has higher infrastructure costs, but they also have higher margins and many more revenue streams than the locals.

With four parks, one major attraction a year is a far lower rate of investment than the locals, yet its probably the minimum needed to sustain WDW over the long term.

This isn't the one park WDW of the 70's. Something new every few years might have been enough then, but not now. Even at one every three years, that gets each park a new major attraction every 12 years. If it works out to one every 4 years, then each park is looking at 16 years between majors.

Further, that 3-4 year schedule is coming into what is expected to be an upturn in the economic cycle and we all know what happens when the downturns come.

While I don't quite share the enthusiasm over the list, Scoop, I do want to thank you for posting it.

On a side note, after watching a couple of fireworks displays over the weekend, I am looking forward to Disney's next effort. The current FitS show is years behind what is available, so there's a lot of room for the new show to improve.

[KNWVIKING]

***On a side note, after watching a couple of fireworks displays over the weekend, I am looking forward to Disney's next effort. The current FitS show is years behind what is available, so there's a lot of room for the new show to improve.***

Matt, were you watching WDW fireworks over the 4th or were you refering to other displays ? We were in Epcot for the 4th. At 9:00 pm MGM & MK set off their displays. We were standing in a spot in WS that allowed us to watch both displays simply by turning our head from left to right. Both parks had awesome displays. At 10:00 Epcot had Illuminations as normal but as soon as it was over they went into a traditional 4th display that was the best display I have ever seen.

[raidermatt]

Matt, were you watching WDW fireworks over the 4th or were you refering to other displays ? Other displays. One was a city-sponsored display in Livermore on the 4th, the other after the A's/Angels game on the 5th.

Scoop, first, I'm not demanding anything. I'm a single guest. I'm merely laying out the big picture economic reality. Maybe its not one a year, but I can say its more than one every 3-4 years, especially when thats the rate in what are expected to be good times.

but the economic reality is that no park--no matter how quality driven--could ever return its investment on spending the typical 50 to 150 million a year that it would take to create a feature attraction every year. You're right, but we're not talking about a single park. A new attraction at WDW draws people to the resort, which boosts attendance at all 4 parks, water parks, boosts hotel/restaurant/merchandise revenue, etc.

Further, a lack of continuing investment will kill the current revenue that is coming out of the parks.

The trap you're falling into is assuming that there is a baseline of "zero future investment equals current revenues/cash flow."

That's simply not the case. A new attraction does not have to generate 50-150 million in NEW revenue a year to pay for itself, because without that new attraction, current revenue would have fallen. Also, the payoff for the new attraction continues for years, and for the better attractions, can continue for decades.

The much more realistic approach taken since the day Walt first opened a park is to allow an attraction to recoup its investment. Walt wasn't operating a four theme park / two water park mega-resort complex. When you expect people to invest a week or two of their time/money instead of a day or two, you're going to have to offer them more frequent new stuff. Not necessarily more per capita, but you can't say DL had a new attraction every 5 years, so WDW only needs one every 4.

[raidermatt]

A local park also doesn't get the food/merhcandise/hotel revenue that WDW gets from a new attraction.

Yes, there's a massive infrastructure cost for WDW, but even they benefit from economies of scale. And again, with this massive cost comes massive revenue. I get that it costs a lot more to run four parks than it does to run one, but four parks generate more revenue as well.

I mean, the whole reason that WDW has all of this cost is because it was infinitely more successful than any other amusement/theme park could ever hope to be. To now suggest that because of the success that allowed it to grow so large, WDW can only afford 1 major attraction every 4 years while the local one-off parks can do one every year is just too much.

Yes, I know a Disney "E-ticket" is generally more expensive than a Podunk Park "major addition", but that's also why Disney has higher margins and greater peripheral revenue.

[KNWVIKING]

****"When you expect people to invest a week or two of their time/money instead of a day or two, you're going to have to offer them more frequent new stuff. " ****

If you exclude us fanatics, how often would you say the average WDW guest visits ? People I know range anywhere from 2-5 years. They wait for their kids to "grow into" the bigger and better rides. For the average visitor,one new biggie,handful of littles and a bunch of refurb/upgrades can make the place seem mighty new and fresh.

[raidermatt]

People I know range anywhere from 2-5 years. They wait for their kids to "grow into" the bigger and better rides. For the average visitor,one new biggie,handful of littles and a bunch of refurb/upgrades can make the place seem mighty new and fresh. For some, sure it does. But I really don't think that's enough for a large enough set of people to keep putting down the kind of dough it takes for a WDW vacation.

If you're talking non-fanatics, you're also talking about people who might not consider Pirates, HM, or even ToT the type of things that are worth thousands of dollars when they've "been there, done that.". All the more reason to entice them with more than one biggie.

(I'm also not sure we should so easily dismiss us "fanatics", and also locals, but I guess that's another topic...)

[d-r]

IMHO, I wouldn't agree that it is good to only have a major attraction every 3-4 years, because that does add up to 12-16 years for each park to get an attraction. But I also wouldn't agree that every thing had to cost 100 million dollars, either. I think that you all aren't really that far apart in what you are saying - Scoop is saying that every year there would be some new smaller things, minor attractions, shows, whatever. What I'd like to see is something big new every year or two in one of the parks, and some small things new every year. In other words, I'd like for each park to get something big every 4 four years or so, like one year Epcot, next year AK, next year MGM, next year maybe there isn't a really big thing, etc. But some smaller things every year, even if it is a parade or something. Something new.

Anyway, I thought it would help this thread, and the other one about DAK too, for that matter, to put in a brief history of the world - I've been typing in a lot on these boards lately so this is the last long thing I will type for a while. Also, I'm using a couple of different sources here including old park maps and disney magazines and my best recolletions, so there may be some errors here but it is mostly right. Finally, I'm not going to attempt this for disneyland, someone else can if you want a bigger picture.

1971
Magic Kingdom opens
Polly, Cont., Ft. W. open

1972
Carousel of Progress

1973
Pirates of the Carribean
Tom Sawyer Island opens
Disney Golf Resort (SoG)

1974
Star Jets
Treasure Island
circlevision magic carpet around the world (replaces america the beatiful circle vision)

1975
Space Mt.
people mover
Mission to Mars (replaces flight to moon)

the Village (DTD marketplace)

1976
River Country

1977
Main St. Electrical Parade

1978
Treas. Island renamed Discovery Island

1979
nothing?

1980
Big Thunder Mt.
[MM review goes to Tokyo]

1981
nothing?

1982
EPCOT Center opens

1983
Journey into Imagination
Horizons

1984
Morocco Pavillian
circlevision American Journeys (replaces magic carpet)

1985
nothing?

1986
Living Seas
Capt. Eo
spaceship earth rehab

1987
If you could fly replaces if you had wings, had wings, had wings
country bear vacation hoedown

1988
MK
Mickey's B-dayland
magic journeys in fantasyland theater

Epcot
Wonders of Life
Capt. Eo

Other
Grand Florididan
CBR

1989 Disney MGM studios opens
dreamflight replaces if you could fly
Epcot
Body Wars
Cranium Command

Other
Typhoon Lagoon
Pleasure Island

1990
Studio
Star Tours
HISTK playground

Other
Yacht/Beach Club
Swan/Dolphin

1991
MK
Spectromagic

STUDIO
Muppetvision 3-d

Other
Port Orleans

1992
MK
Splash Mt
[walt disney story closed]
Studio
Voyage of LIttle mermaid
Other
Dixie Landings
DVC/resort


1993
overhauls of hall of presidents and corousel of progress

1994
MK
Lion King show
Timekeeper
"new" tomorrowland, restaurants, stores, star jets, etc. change name
[20K leagues closes :(]
Epcot
Innoventions replaced commuicore
Food rocks replaced kitchen kabarat
Hista replaced capt. Eo
lion king film in the land
Studio
Tower of terror
Other
Blizzard Beach
All Stars
Wilderness Lodge

1995
MK
Alien Enc. (replace mission to mars)
Other
Wedding pavillion by gf

1996
toontown fair replaces starland
epcot
Ellen's energy adventure
[I think Odyssey rest. closes]
STudios
Hunchback show
backstage pass
Other
Boardwalk
Fantasia Gardens
Celebration

1997
Other
WWOS
dtd west side
CSR

1998
DAK opens

MK
Buzz Lightyear (replaces take flight)
Tiki Room new management
Studios
Fantasmic
Other
Disneyquest
DCL

1999
MK
Winnie the pooh (replaces Mr. Toad)
[skyway closes]
Epcot
Test Track
Studios
RnRC
DAK
Asia - Kali river, tigers and bats trail
DTD
Cirque
Other
All star movies

2000
MK
Main St. Electrical Parade
Epcot
Illuminations ROE
TON parade
journey into your imagination (replaces figment)
Millinium village
tomb stones
Studios
Doug live
Sounds dangerous (drew carey)
DAK
Tarzan rocks (replaces jungle book)
Boat ride changes a couple of times and eventually closes

2001
MK
Aladdin spinner
100 years of magic parades start late in the year
Studios
Big *** hat
one man's dream
(dca opens)

2002
Dinorama spinner and spinning mouse
BCV
World of Toys (or was that this year?)

2003
MK
Mickey's Philharmagic
Epcot
Mission:Space
Pop century?
Saratoga Springs?

[hopemax]

I'll do DL, because the 1998 Tomorrowland Media kit has a very nice list:

1955- we did this earlier

1956 -

Astrojets
Bathroom of Tomorrow
Horseless Carriages
Storybookland Canal Boats
Tom Sawyer Island / Rafts
Skyway
Rainbow Caverns Mine Train
Indian Village
Indian War Canoes
Junior Autopia
Omnibus
Fantasy in the Sky Fireworks

1957

Midget Autopia
Sleeping Beauty Walk Through
Home of the Future
Viewliner Motor Boat Cruise
Frontierland Shooting Gallery

1958

Grand Canyon Diorama
Alice in Wonderland
Columbia
Motorized Fire Truck

1959

Fantasyland Autopia
Motor Boat Cruise
Submarine Voyage
Monorail
Matterhorn

1960

America the Beautiful
Art of Animation
Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland
Skull Rock and Pirate Cove

1961

Snow White Groto
Flying Saucers
Babes in Toyland Exhibit
Monorail expansion to DL hotel

1962

Adventureland Shooting Gallery
Indian Village expansion
New Jungle Cruise Scenes
Swiss Family Treehouse

1963

Enchanted Tiki Room

1964

Columbia below decks museum
Jungle Cruise scenes
Fantasy on Parade (Christmas parade)

1965

Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln

1966

It's a Small World
Primeval World
New Orleans Square

1967

Pirates of the Caribbean
Carousel of Progress
America the Beautiful (new film)
Peoplemover
Rocket Jets
Flight to the Moon (new show)
Adventure thru Inner Space

1968

Peoplemover improvements
maingate & parking lot improvements

1969

Haunted Mansion

1970

Legacy of Walt Disney

1971

nothing

1972

Bear Country
Country Bear Jamboree
Teddi Barra's Swingin Arcade
Main Street Electrical Parade

1973

Walt Disney Story
Disneyland Showcase

1974

America Sings

1975

Mission to Mars
Mr. Lincoln brought back
America on Parade

1976

new Jungle Cruise scenes

1977

Space Mountain
Starcade
TL Space Stage
Peoplemover improvements
The Very Merry Christmas Parade

1978

Matterhorn renovation

1979

Big Thunder

1980

25th anniversary parade

1981

nothing

1982

nothing

1983

New Fantasyland
Pinocchio's Daring Journey

1984

Magic Journeys
American Journeys
Country Bear Christmas show

1985

Videopolis
upgraded Mr. Lincoln
30th anniversary entertainment

1986

Country Bear Vacation Hoe-down
Big Thunder Ranch
Captain Eo

1987

Star Tours
Disney Gallery

1988

Mickey's 60th Birthday parae

1989

Splash Mountain

1990

Party Gras Parade

1991

Mickey's Nutcracker

1992

Beauty and the Beast Stage Show
The World According to Goofy Parade

1993

Toontown
Mickey's House
Minnie's House
Goofy's Bounce House
Donald's Boat
Gadget's Go Coaster
Jolley Trolley
Chip & Dale Tree Slide & Acorn Crawl
Aladdin's Royal Caravan Parade

1994

Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin
Lion King Celebration Parade

1995

Indiana Jones
New Christmas Parade

1996

Hunchback Festival of Fools


1997

Pirates Rehab
Light Magic

1998

New Tomorrowland
Innoventions
Rocket Rods
HISTA

The most recent stuff, I'll have to look up...Also in 1998 WDW put out a book that lists all the changes, so I'll check D-r's list for anything missing.

[hopemax]

Additions to the WDW list

1972

Walt Disney Story
Swan Boats
If you Had Wings
Easter Parade

1975

Richard F. Irvine Steamboat
America on Parade

1978

Mickey's 50th Birthday Clebration (parade)

1981

Tencennial Parade

1983

Mickey's Very Merry Christmas Parade

1984

Donald's 50th Birthday Parade

1986

15th Anniversary Parade

1989

Character Hit Parade

1990

Sorcery in the Sky

1991

"Beauty and the Beast" - Live on Stage
20th anniversary Parade

1992

Aladdin's Royal Caravan Parage

1994

Snow White's Adventures renovation
Mickey Mania Parade

1995

Toy Story Parade

1996

25th Anniversary Parade

1997

Hercules Parade

[noel]

I rarely have posted here, but thought I'd add something I'd heard from a CM on Wednesday. A saw a longtime friend of my family earlier this week. He's a CM at the Indy Stunt show and has been for about 9 years or so.

I don't see him often and told him I'd heard a new Auto Stunt show like the once in DL Paris is coming to MGM. He said it's slated to open in 2005.

Just thought I'd share that here.....



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