If there is NO SMOKING in the parks they why...

[gonga]

Why do people insist on smoking anywhere they damn well please? We just returned and I have never seen so many selfish discusting people lighting up around children, walking around with lit cigs in their hands. It was worse this trip than the last!

One morning after riding RNR we were walking back and an old couple walking in front of us lit up their butts. I got a huge mouthful of their cigarette smoke and I said something to them. They lookes shocked when I told them that there is no smoking in the parks. They looked shocked like I did something wrong, I explained that I just got a lung full of their smoke. They told me to mind my own f$%#@*! business. Nice, right?? I don't understand how people can be so selfish with children and so many sensitive people around. A child can be burned with a cigarette very easily since their face is the height of the cigarette.

I would love for a smoker (that does not abide by the smoking rules) to answer this question, since I'm sure one of you will read this. I see plenty of people somking in the designated areas, why do you feel you do not have to?? There are plenty of designated smoker areas so why do you insist on disregarding the rules and not caring about anyone elses health or safety?? How would you feel if you burned a small child or another person with your cigarette?

Sorry to vent, but this situation has really gotten out of hand. Maybe if enough people complain or say something to these selfish people it will not be such a problem.

[Shelly]

I don't know what your talking about, we go every year, my daughter is terribly allergic to smoke, makes her ill immediately. We don't smoke of course. We have never ever had this problem. Eveyone pretty much stays around the smoking zones
as it were. We only had a problem a couple of times when we weren't paying attention and didn't realize we were in one of those areas, of course we got out quickly.

[Maridw]

On our last trip at beginning of May, I only saw one person smoking where they shouldn't. I was going in the opposite direction and couldn't tell her she was smoking in a non-smoking area.

I am a former smoker and know the hazards of cigs being at youngsters height. I was always aware of where my cig was in comparison to others around me. I would never light up in a line, usually it was while we were walking or taking a break.

Truthfully, I am glad that Disney went non-smoking.

[nowellsl]

Why did you tell them there was no smoking allowed in the park? There are designated smoking areas - maybe you could have just pointed out that they weren't in one. There are always going to be people who don't think rules apply to them, but maybe they just didn't know.

[gonga]

I did tell them, as I stated in my above post - very nicely too. They were so nasty. I assume that they just don't care about anyone else.

I was definately not seeing things regarding smoking in the parks. We go to WDW every year and this was the worst I have ever seen, I would not be writing this if it was just a few.

[Slainte]

I don't smoke.

I go to WDW 2 or 3 times a year and have never noticed any out of hand smoking situation. Occasionally, once or twice per trip, I'll see someone smoking outside of the smoking area.

It's really not a big deal and not something to get worked up about. Why let something so simple get you all upset while you're on vacation?

[Robmom]

People just don't think or just don't care. When we went in 2001, we made sure that we went to designated areas for smoking because DH smoked. He stopped recently, so at least we won't have to sit in those out of the way places anymore! Here in NYC, we have that new smoking ban in bars. But now you have to walk past all these people puffing outside. I don't know what's worse.

[jfulcer]

Originally posted by gonga
I did tell them, as I stated in my above post - very nicely too. They were so nasty. I assume that they just don't care about anyone else.

I was definately not seeing things regarding smoking in the parks. We go to WDW every year and this was the worst I have ever seen, I would not be writing this if it was just a few.

Then you do what I do - I don't confront smokers anymore because I've had people cop this attitude with me a few too many times. I find a CM (after all, they're everywhere), point it out to them and 95% of the time the CM will approach them and talk to them.

Then it's not your problem, it's the CM's. And if they are rude to the CM they will get booted from the park. It's actually kinda funny to see some of them try to hide the cigarette from the CM.

[luvindisneyworld]

we just reurned also.we are smokers and we always use the smoking areas,there are quite a few in each park.but we did not see anyone smoking out of the designated smoking areas.we have never seen anybody smoking outside the areas.

[stinkerbelle]

if memory serves me correct, when my FI and I went in 1999, it was a free-for all - smoke wherever you want. We always went to out of the way places regardless...so that others wouldn't have to walk into our smoke.

in 2001 on our return trip, they had the "designated sections"...no biggie...so we went there.

Maybe people just don't realize there are disignated sections? I suggest rather than confronting them, point them out to a CM like a previous poster said. I, personally, am not about to get into a fight with a stranger on my vacation.

But I have to agree - the WORST is when someone lights up while in line for a ride. On our 2001 trip, someone lit up in the line for Buzz...so gross. Yes I'm a smoker, but that's just wrong!

[gshoemate]

gonga, we go to WDW often and I see this happening alot. What upsets me is when a smoker walks up and stands next to a nonsmoker and lights up. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against smokers....I am 7 years smoke free myself. But I do not want my children around smoke at all. I don't confront people but I do tend to make the comment "yeah thats the smoking area" while passing by. And if there is a CM near by I will let them know about it, and most of the time they do ask the smoker to go to the designated area. I agree, most smokers probably do not know that they are to smoke in the designated areas. But common sense should tell them that when there are so many people and children around, carrying a lit cigerette with ashes flying around is not a good idea.

[hucifer]

Originally posted by jfulcer
Then you do what I do - I don't confront smokers anymore because I've had people cop this attitude with me a few too many times. I find a CM (after all, they're everywhere), point it out to them and 95% of the time the CM will approach them and talk to them.

Then it's not your problem, it's the CM's. And if they are rude to the CM they will get booted from the park. It's actually kinda funny to see some of them try to hide the cigarette from the CM.

This is an excellent suggestion!

My DH is a smoker (I am not). He is one of the most polite smokers I have ever met. He definitely goes out of his way to not let his smoke affect those around him. He never smokes indoors, and he always steps far away from nonsmokers when he lights up. I wish there were more smokers like him! :(

[Pat_Elliott]

As a smoker, it's always difficult to respond to one of these posts. Doing anything but agreeing makes you look like a "rude smoker." But heck, I"ve got the time...

I believe myself to be the "smoking norm" at Disney. It is my desire to smoke only in designated areas. One time in many trips to Disney, I lit up in the wrong area, and it was an honest mistake. I had a CM on me in two seconds flat. The CM was polite, so was I, and on I marched. It is my desire to both enjoy my vacation in the fashion I see fit (which means having a puff with my Harp in England), as well as disturb not only those who have a physical adversion to smoke, but those who simply don't like it.

So when you ask a question like "why do people insist on smoking where they damn well please," I wish you'd think of it this way. "People" don't smoke where they damn well please. Smokers don't even smoke where they damn well please. *******es smoke where they damn well please. They also tend to let their kids run rampant, they push you into wall to get closer to a parade, they cut in front of you at Space Mountain, they have too many Becks beers in Germany and spend most of Illuminations screaming out "that's TOOOO f-in cool" oblivious to those around them, young and old, who don't share their thrill of watching fireworks inebriated.

Point? It's not the act of smoking that makes one a jerk. It's being a jerk that makes one a jerk. Point in case: Last September, I was enjoying a harp waiting for the British Invasion. I went over on the benches in the courtyard to an approved smoking area and lit up. Within seconds, an older couple sat down. The lady, with a thick NY accent, begins saying very loudly, without addressing me, "that's disgusting. You'd think people would have a little respect. Blah blah blah." I got up and moved five feet down. I would have moved six, but I would have been out of the smoking area. The lady began again speaking without speaking to me "like moving down is going to make it go away. I can't believe people smoke, blah blah blah."

I looked directly at her and said "lady, if you're talking to me, do me the favor of addressing me. I'm in an approved smoking area, and I walked a hundred yards to get here." Still without looking at me, she said "they shouldn't allow smoking, period." Thirty seconds later, she stood up, finally looking at me, and said "you havne't put it out yet, why haven't you put it out yet? Can you believe this rude man won't put out his cigarette when I've asked him half a dozen times?" AT this point, she was making a spectacle of me and herself.

I should point out that had I not been smoking, I would have moved anyway. THe woman had on what I would estimate to be half a gallon of rude, loud perfume that literally made me sick to my stomach. My point?

A) some people have an attitude about smoking. I admit it's a grisley habit. I'll work with you best I can. But I'll not apologize for smoking in an approved smoking zone.

B) Just because it seems I've been accosted once per trip by some lady with loud perfume and a NY accent, I'll not assume that every older female with a NY accident is a raving lunatic.

C) The perfume is as insulting to me as the smoke. Meaning everyone has their boiling point.

D) The lady was a jerk not because she had on loud perfume, or was old, or was from NY. I've got a strange feeling that had she been born seventy years ago in Michigan, she'd have been a young, perfume-less, Michigan jerk.

I sympathize with the OP, and the person blowing smoke in your face will never be me. But you're problem isn't smokers, it's jerks. Likewise, if you have young children, I'll never assume because I've got a poorly trained adolescent behind me kicking and shoving that because you have kids, you're a jerk. I just haven't seen anything to suggest there's a rash of smoking jerks. There's a certain percentage of them in society, and the more people you shove in one place, the more potential jerks you'll have. And the more you add heat, humidity, exhaustion from walking, and sense of self-importance one feels when dropping a couple hundred bucks a day, the more you'll see the jerk come out. In my opinion, of course.

I hope that all makes sense. Despite its venom it was meant to shed light, not heat. If your in the parks in early June, I'll be the non-jerk smoking where I'm supposed to.

Pat:D :D :D :D :D :D

[hucifer]

Originally posted by Pat_Elliott
"People" don't smoke where they damn well please. Smokers don't even smoke where they damn well please. *******es smoke where they damn well please.

LOL!!! :p

Very eloquently stated! (I'm glad you had the time to write that.)

And on another point you were making...as much as I dislike the smell of cigarette smoke, I would rather smell that than the "half a gallon of rude, loud perfume" on someone. That kind of stuff sticks in your nostril hair and NEVER LETS GO. :(

[AirForceRocks]

Why did you tell them there was no smoking allowed in the park? There are designated smoking areas - maybe you could have just pointed out that they weren't in one.

I did tell them, as I stated in my above post - very nicely too.

You said in your post that you told them there was no smoking in the parks. That is very different than pointing out that they were smoking in a non-designated area.

They lookes shocked when I told them that there is no smoking in the parks.

While there is no excuse whatsoever for them being nasty to you, based on the tone of your post, I would question how "nice" you were when you disseminated the incorrect information.

JMO.

[rascalmom]

Pat - I'm not a smoker, I don't wear perfume & I don't allow my children to excercise their "wigglies" in a manner that disturbs others. I think you deserve a big BRAVO for your post. You are exactly right! Jerks come in all flavors - smoking, non-smoking & many other varieties.

[vellamint]

Here here Pat Elliott....well said!

[stinkerbelle]

Thank you Pat_Elliott !!! Very well stated!!

On behalf of all the other smokers down at the world, I'd like to but you a harp and invite you to the nearest designated smoking section! I'll even bring the butts! :)

[MelissathePooh]

While I'm sure that the OP's conversation with this couple was more indepth - the approach was confrontational and he information was inaccurate - at least based on what the OP actually posted. I'm not sure what type of response a person would expect to get with that approach.

Smoking is allowed in designated areas and a friendly suggestion would go alot further than popping off. And like others said if the guest continues to disregard the rules notify a cast member.

I whole-heartedly agree with Pat - jerks will be jerks regardless of their chosen vices. I was rather irritated with the couple who folded up the handicapped seats on the bus so they could lean their strollers againts them when DR and I had to stand along with several other rides on the bus. Inconsiderate comes in many many forms - what we are sensitive to is all that differs.

[MamaKate]

We went to WDW in December and I too noticed many, many people smoking wherever they pleased. I even commented this to my family & friends upon returning.

Originally posted by Slainte
It's really not a big deal and not something to get worked up about. Why let something so simple get you all upset while you're on vacation?

As far as this statement, it is a big deal to people with health concerns. My son has asthma & is severly allergic to smoke. I felt the majority of my trip was dodging smokers that were not in the designated areas.

Just my 2 cents!

;) :D ,
Katie

[Kaycee]

For those of you who said you've never noticed anyone at WDW smoking where they shouldn't, I guess you didn't notice because you didn't have a reason to. I probably wouldn't notice either, except my husband has cigarette smoke-induced asthma. After seeing one toomany asthma attacks triggered by someone smoking where they shouldn't, believe me, now I notice.

For the poster who said, "It's no big deal" - if you saw the look of panic in my husband's eyes as he's fighting for breath, because someone chose to smoke in an area they shouldn't, then you'd know that yes, it is a big deal. This happened to us on Tom Sawyer Island a couple of years ago. There were a few different people smoking there, and because of the layout of this place, we couldn't seem to get away from them. And because we were on the island, we had to wait for the next boat to leave. It was really scary, and we won't be going back to Tom Sawyer Island because of that incident. Thank God we had Chuck's inhaler with us or it could've been even worse than it was.

I agree completely with the poster who said it's not smokers who are the problem, it's jerks who are the problem. The thing is, most things that jerks do aren't really harmful to others around them, but this one is.

Kaycee

[Pam Brown]

Hi everyone

I would like to add a comment to this thread that is slightly different. I am a smoker and always observe the smoking rules, would never dream of smoking out of the designated areas However I have a tale to tell about the policy.

Whilst in MK last Tuesday night for the parade and the fireworks. We watched the parade and then decided to walk to the smoking area by the Plaza restaurant (I think its called) for the fireworks. It was roped off and guarded by a CM. I asked to go down and she said it was only for people with a voucher to sit and watch the fireworks. Now I am not sure what vouchers these are but I would imagine they will have involved paying some extra money at some point whether it is with a meal or hotel deal. So I said to the CM in a kind of throwaway fashion. OK I am assuming its OK to smoke where I like then is it. And to my surprise she said Oh yes smoke wherever you went.

The point to this story is if there are a few dollars to be made somewhere then even Disneys smoking policy goes right out of the window.

Pam

[gonga]

AirForceRocks - In defense of myself, I must say that I have always been considered a lady and treat older people with respect. I am not a loud mouth, I am a well educated, well mannered 40 year old professional married woman. I would never, ever speak in a rude manner to anyone or in a confrontational way, espically the elderly. I do not think the phrase, excuse me, there is no smoking in the parks is confrontatiional or rude. I do however think mind your own f----g business from a man old enough to be my grandfather is. I personally do not care about his health, but I most definately did not appreciate breathing in his and his wife's smoke at 8:45 am.

[gonga]

Pam Brown- That area is for smoking! The vouchers are with the Plan (silver, gold, plat) that area is used for p/s for plan vouchers. So if you saw people smoking there, it also happens to be a designated smoking area.:)

[Pam Brown]

Hi

No what i meant was we were not allowed in the smoking area, it was roped off. So the CM said that it was OK to smoke elswhere, in non smoking areas. So in actual fact all alround that area leading right up to Main Street people were smoking, and of course as it was so busy it actually made things worse. Disney roped off the smoking area totally to allow people with vouchers to sit there. So like it said when it suits them the policy goes out the window.

Pam

[AirForceRocks]

I do not think the phrase, excuse me, there is no smoking in the parks is confrontatiional or rude.

I'll take your word for it that you were not rude, but you still gave out incorrect information. To tell people that there is no smoking in the parks is just plain wrong. Yes, they were wrong to be walking around smoking, but there is a possibility that they didn't know there were designated smoking areas. Instead of pointing that out to them, you told them something is just flat-out wrong.

[N.O.Parrothead]

Thank you Pat_Elliot. I applaud your well thought out and well expressed post and appreciate that you took the time to write it.
(As an aside-- I have had to exit a line on more that one occasion because of an allergic reaction to perfume.)

[Pat_Elliott]

Dear Group,

Based on the responses to this thread, I'm happy that I apparently made my point. I feared I was rambling.

However, based on two PM's I've received, I wish to make the following statements:

I have no bias against the state's of NY or MI. I am, in fact, married to a girl from Upstate NY. I SWEAR, the lady in the UK pavilion had a NY accent! This geographical notation is significant. So heavy was the stench of said perfume in the Florida sun that my eyes were watering and I was forced to keep track of said lady via only voice recognition.

I have no bias against perfume manufacturer's, per se, only those that sell their product, by the half gallon drum, in finer department stores nationwide, and even then, only when worn in large quantities to hide expensive body odor in the searing heat in climates such as, say, Orlando. For the record, adding said perfume on top of said body odor does not make you smell like perfume, it makes you smell like body odor and perfume, a rough mix. It's the same principle as spraying Lysol on gym socks and expecting them to be wearable the next day.

I have no bias whatsoever against senior women who wear perfume. I promise should I this June encounter any woman of the younger generation smelling of bulk-aromatic, I will not only run from them as fast as I would a senior counterpart, but I will note it here, upon my return, in the name of balance.

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings. And to further my original point, I just made a jerk of myself without lighting a single cigarette.

Pat

[Safari Steve]

Once I was doing crowd control for Spectro, far away from the nearest smoking area, when I smelled a cigarette. I could not see who was smoking it, so I made a general announcement just to let everyone in my area know that smoking has never been allowed in parade viewing areas and that presently we only allow it in designated smoking areas, announced how to get to the nearest area, etc. No one moved, so I figured it was just someone passing whom I hadn't seen. A short while later I smelled smoke again and this man who had been very close to me when I made the announcement suddenly jumped and yelped loudly. He was the smoker and rather than put his cig. out or move to the designated area, he had decided to hide his cig. from me, as if all that mattered was that I couldn't see it. Anyhow, the way he was holding it cupped in his hand resulted in his giving himself a nasty little burn on the inside of his pinky finger. I went to him and made a big deal of it, innocently offerring to walk him to First Aid (which I sincerely intended to do -burns are no fun even when you bring them upon yourself), but he scurried away rather quickly, very embarrassed.
I think the song "Instant Karma" fits that situation quite nicely.

[Pat_Elliott]

Originally posted by Safari Steve
I think the song "Instant Karma" fits that situation quite nicely.

Or perhaps "No One Told Me There'd Be Days Like These?"

It's my new creedo....there's nuthin' like a jerk.....

[Mackey Mouse]

Pat Elliott.. I have to tell you. I loved your disclaimer.....and great post.. So far we have kept this touchy subject within guidelines and everyone is respectful of each other's opinions which is always great for those moderating the board.. Keep up the good work..

This is a PS... I use to work in cosmetics years ago for a very big company, notice I am not mentioning names here, but I do know exactly the type of perfume you are referring to, you can smell that perfume a mile away.... older women love it.. :) :)

[Cantw8]

As a smoker who always follows the rules, ...I'll tell ya what really burns my butt.....why do people insist on using ashtrays/butt cans for their trash. It's not like there aren't 5 billion trashcans in Disney......no, they simply must place their trash in a device that is obviously intended for butts...hint: that's what the stones and or sand is for.

[Safari Steve]

People put their garbage in many inappropriate places. Outside of Haunted Mansion, there is a well with a bucket sitting on it. The bucket is purely for decoration, but it is constantly filled with rubbish. The map/schedule bins in the train station tunnel also get stuffed with trash from time to time, as well as other things that in no way resemble our easy-to-find, easy-to-use trash bins.

[C.Ann]

I believe it's the job of the CM's to enforce the no smoking in non-smoking area policies - not the guests. You're lucky they didn't turn out to be nut cases - as well as being crude.. With all that goes on today I would NEVER get into a confrontation (no matter how benign you feel it was) with a total stranger..

Next time find a CM - that's what they're getting paid for..

[bliss4us]

I just got back a couple of days ago, and did see a fair number of people smoking outside of smoking areas during the week. Of course, the number of "naughty" smokers was miniscule compared to the number of people in the park, but boy, they sure stuck out.

My husband and I - both big-time non-smokers - even discussed how exactly to mention to a smoker that they're in the wrong area. There aren't always CM's around, and I'd like to assume that the couple of dozen people we saw smoking in non-smoking areas didn't know they shouldn't smoke where they were. And I really don't want to breathe their smoke if I can help it.

We couldn't come up with a phrase that wouldn't sound bossy or confrontational, so...

Any smokers out there want to put in your two cents? If you were smoking in a non-smoking area - unaware, of course - how would you want to be approached?

Daisy;)

[gonga]

Thank you bliss4us, I thought I was seeing things! It was not so much the people that stuck to the sidelines and smoked - even in non smoking areas, but the ones that walk around with a lit cigarette in their hand or in parade crowds and on lines. Give me a break, they have to know there is no smoking, its even announced on the monorail!

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by bliss4us
We couldn't come up with a phrase that wouldn't sound bossy or confrontational, so...

Any smokers out there want to put in your two cents? If you were smoking in a non-smoking area - unaware, of course - how would you want to be approached?

Daisy;)
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Pretend that YOU'RE a smoker too - and with a big smile, and a bit of a giggle, say something along the lines of, "Are you having problems finding the designated smoking areas TOO?? We just found one over by...."

My Mom always taught me you can catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar..
;)

[Safari Steve]

CMs are instructed to politely direct guests to the nearest smoking area first, rather than starting with the requisite *and totally true* statement that "Smoking is not allowed in WDW theme parks."
By all means, tell a CM if the problem is eggregious (sp?), and if a CM is not around, just move on if at all possible.
The policy is indicated in park maps, on signs at the park entrances/inside the parks, and in monorail and parking tram spiels.

[kevind65]

My dw(smoker) and myself(non-smoker) have been to disney 10 different trips and have observed the occassional person smoking in an area that wasn't a designated smoking area; but, nothing out of control or anything like you're describing. I was just asking my dw where the areas even were? I've never really noticed people smoking where they're not supposed to. You are right; I don't have to notice. I don't have any problems that would result from cigarette smoke; but, it seems as if you might be overly obsessed with where people are smoking to notice it everywhere. On the other point developing on this thread: I agree with many other posters before me who state that it is not your job to confront other guest(for this matter or any other). tell a cm and let them do their job. This is a problem not only at disney world, but, everywhere in our society. people seem to think they can just say anything to anyone. it drives me crazy! I don't know what kind of reaction people think they're gonna get when they start running their mouth or berading a perfect stranger? either the person is unaware that they are doing something wrong or they are perfectly aware and have chosen to disregard the rule. either case, your words; whether or not intended; come across as confrontational. also, this person that has chosen to break the rules or behave rudely probably doesn't give a rat's a** what you have to say to them and is likely to react rudely or violently back toward you....just tell a cm and let them handle it.

[AirForceRocks]

CMs are instructed to politely direct guests to the nearest smoking area first, rather than starting with the requisite *and totally true* statement that "Smoking is not allowed in WDW theme parks."

How can you say with a (I'm assuming) straight face that smoking is not allowed in WDW theme parks when there are designated smoking areas in all of the parks?

[C.Ann]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
How can you say with a (I'm assuming) straight face that smoking is not allowed in WDW theme parks when there are designated smoking areas in all of the parks?
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Have to admit that one has me puzzled too.. I have two brand new 2003 park guides sitting right here next to me and each of them say: "Smoking is not allowed in the parks EXCEPT in the designated smoking areas."

Are we missing something???????

[Safari Steve]

Ok, here's the official company line...

If a guest asks, "Why don't you ban smoking completely?"
"As a general rule, smoking isn't allowed within Walt Disney World theme parks. For the comfort of those guests who do smoke, however, we have provided some designated areas where they may smoke without disturbing non-smoking guests."

[AirForceRocks]

So it is permitted in the theme parks, but only in designated smoking areas. Which is completely different than "smoking is not allowed in the theme parks".

[YellowXterra]

I agree that people should not smoke in a line, indoors, or in a real heavy crowd "during a parade" But my gosh the rest of the place is the wide open OUT DOORS. What did all you fine folks do before the smoking areas were set up? Sorry to rant. I need to quit myself! Its the hardest thing I have ever tried to do.

[DancingBear]

To quote our former Prez, "It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

The confusion does not seem to be Safari Steve's, as the official company response does include the line:

"smoking isn't allowed within Walt Disney World theme parks."

Rather, it seems a bit of intentional obfuscation on behalf of the WDW CM training manual.

[DebbieB]

We watched Fantasy in the Sky at MK last Tuesday in front of the train station. A goofball in front of us in the middle of the crowd lit up, he had 2 small kids (I hate that even more). We just moved away. A security guard busted a woman back by the safari fastpass entrance, she started arguing with him! He told her to consult her guide map for designated areas.

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by YellowXterra
I agree that people should not smoke in a line, indoors, or in a real heavy crowd "during a parade" But my gosh the rest of the place is the wide open OUT DOORS. What did all you fine folks do before the smoking areas were set up? Sorry to rant. I need to quit myself! Its the hardest thing I have ever tried to do.

Good luck quitting. Make no mistake, smoke doesn't instantly dissipate just because you are out of doors. Before the smoking areas were set up, the vast majority of us who are non-smokers had to do our best to avoid the smokers. Now the burden is on the smokers.

[AirForceRocks]

The confusion does not seem to be Safari Steve's, as the official company response does include the line:

"smoking isn't allowed within Walt Disney World theme parks."


Where is that?

There really isn't any confusion when there are smoking areas in the parks. Obviously smoking IS permitted, or there would be no designated smoking areas.

[DancingBear]

Originally posted by AirForceRocks
Where is that?

Stop being so defensive and go back and read Safari Steve's post with the "official company line." I'm not arguing with you---clearly they allow smoking in the designated areas. However, the conflicting messages are not Steve's interpretation, but are right there in the instructions to the CMs.

[AirForceRocks]

Stop being so defensive and go back and read Safari Steve's post with the "official company line."

Stop being so nasty - I wasn't being defensive, I was simply asking where that particular phrase was. Had I realized that you were simply cutting out the parts of the manual that you didn't like, and that didn't support your view, then I wouldn't have asked.

However, the conflicting messages are not Steve's interpretation, but are right there in the instructions to the CMs.

I see no conflict whatsoever - the rules clearly state that smoking is permitted in designated areas.

Talk about defensive...

[DancingBear]

You quoted my line that "the official company response includes the line..." and said "Where's That?"

Yes, I'm being defensive. It was right there in front of you and you apparently didn't see it. Now you accuse me of "cutting out the parts of the manual that you didn't like and that didn't support your view..."

First of all, I clearly showed that I was extracting just one line.

Secondly, my "view" was simply that Safari Steve was just giving the company line when he said earlier that no smoking is allowed, but that designated smoking areas are provided. That was the post to which you responded how can Steve say that with a straight face. It was YOU who pointed out that this position is in conflict with itself. Now you "see no conflict whatsoever."

I never had the view that no smoking is allowed.

[Mackey Mouse]

OK.............for some reason these posts just bring out the worse in us all.... so with that I am locking this... We are veering into arguing over semantics... Enough... Have a good night everyone..