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Bstanley
04-17-2003, 09:10 AM
After our visit to Orlando a couple of weeks ago I was ruminating about how Disney could offer the convenience of the 'FOTL' privilege that the Universal hotels offer their guests without swamping the attractions at WDW simply because there are larger numbers of people staying at the Disney hotels.

How about a expanded version of Fast Pass just for Disney Resort guests?

Fast Pass(+) would allow a Resort Guest to get a Fast Pass for every attraction for the entire 'Early Entry' park for that day.

Comments?

KNWVIKING
04-17-2003, 09:32 AM
I would like to see some sort of "wildcard" FP for on-site guests. Maybe each guest is giving two vouchers per day. We had a Disney package when we stayed at DL in Sept, and we were given four passes- two each- to be used during our stay, (thats four total,not per day). We were there for nine nights, so four total was a little less then I would have expected.

"Fast Pass(+) would allow a Resort Guest to get a Fast Pass for every attraction for the entire 'Early Entry' park for that day."

Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of EE ? If I can get FP for entire park for the whole day, what is my motivation to be up at dawn to attend EE ?

jlambrig
04-17-2003, 09:44 AM
This has been discussed before and one concern I agree with is the number of onsite guests being problematic.

I agree that using it for the EE park could defeat the purpose of EE. It would also have the potential for increasing the problems caused by the sheer number of guests if only one park was available each day.

If they were to do this, it seems it could be coded onto room keys.

wdwguide
04-17-2003, 10:57 AM
That's a really great idea during the off-season, but during peak periods when FastPass lines for attractions like Pooh, RnRC, Test Track, Splash Mountain, etc tend to get backed up quite significantly, the added number of guests using the system with FP(+) would just completely overload it and break down the benefit for everybody.

eeyorefanatic
04-17-2003, 11:17 AM
Perhaps a one pass per day for each member of your party would work.

Bstanley
04-17-2003, 11:34 AM
The way I was thinking of implementing it the Fast Passes would not be for use at any time at any attracdtion that the guest chose, but would rather be spaced in time at each of the attractions throughout the day - it's just that you could get all of them at once rather than just the 2 that you can get now.

That way I don't believe the attractions would be overloaded.


Wouldn't this defeat the purpose of EE ? If I can get FP for entire park for the whole day, what is my motivation to be up at dawn to attend EE ?

I agree - I guess if this was implemented you could do away with EE because a resort guest would still get to avoid lines, but wouldn't need to get up early to do so.

seashoreCM
04-17-2003, 11:52 AM
Too many fastpasses with no entry time on them will cause problems because the system can no longer predict how many fastpasses the machines should issue.

The fastpass system is not currently set up to allow guests to hand pick times, yet.

The success of the FOTL program at Universal is due to the very small number of eligible participants. A FOTL program at WDW that is comparable to that at Universal would cover only the deluxe resorts.

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mjstaceyuofm
04-17-2003, 12:37 PM
In 1999 (or 98) when the FP system first debuted (or "soft-opened") prior to major advertisement, I could swear that the system was only available to those guests staying on-site. Can anyone else corroborate this story? This is how my wife and I both remember the system. Am I crazy?? :crazy:

To me, FP available to on-site guests only is the way to go. So much of the financial success of WDW is related to near-capacity hotel occupancy rates, why not give a real incentive to staying on-site? In that scenario, you're not creating two tiers of FP, you're reducing the number of FP participants and reducing wait-times for FP users and stand-by lines as well.

morphi
04-17-2003, 04:06 PM
why not give a real incentive to staying on-site? I agree that FastPass should be an onsite perk. To be fair, those who live within a certain radius of WDW AND who have APs should have access to FP as well. Why shouldn't those who are loyal to WDW derive extra benefits? Hotel occupancy is probably a better contributor to the bottom line than just theme park admission alone. There should be a real incentive to stay on-site. This would also eliminate the need for EE which would be a good cost savings. Why are many so afraid to offend those who choose to stay off-site?

All Aboard
04-17-2003, 06:16 PM
morphi, that will absolutely kill off-site visitor business. Think about it. If Fastpass is limited to onsite guests, all offsite guests will be forced into the stanby lines that are being made longer already by Fastpass. The offsite guest will either 1) decide, "boy I gotta stay onsite next time" or more likely 2) say "screw this, this sucks".

Even if WDW kept its resorts 100% occupancy year 'round, they still need the other 50% - 60% of guests that DON'T stay onsite. Alienating them in this fashion would make little business sense.

Not that it really matters, but gives perspective to my argument - I always stay on site. The plan you propose would benefit me directly, but I still think it is a very bad idea for Disney in general.

Universal gives its onsite guests something better, but still keeps Universal Express open to everyone.

Peter Pirate
04-17-2003, 07:40 PM
I agree Greg.

How about making FP+ a perk of just one or two Resorts...Maybe just the GF? That way Disney would gurantee higher demand for their most expensive rooms, yet the guest who really wants this perk will have the ability to get it...Or perhaps rotate the perk between deluxe resorts monthly allowing all deluxes to share in the 'high demand pie'.

DisneyKidds
04-17-2003, 10:03 PM
How about making FP+ a perk of just one or two Resorts...Maybe just the GF? That way Disney would gurantee higher demand for their most expensive rooms, yet the guest who really wants this perk will have the ability to get it...Or perhaps rotate the perk between deluxe resorts monthly allowing all deluxes to share in the 'high demand pie'.
This just reeks to much of the haves and the have nots. A true Landbaron caste system. At least a pay for play FP system would give everyone a chance. Not everyone is going to have a shot at dropping $300 a night on the Grand. Then, what do you do about DVC owners and the like. Am I to sell my DVC membership if I want to be able to take advantage of the most advantageous FP system?

I think an on-site FP advantage would be great. It would also likely overtax the system and negate some of the benefit. The current system is designed to only issue that amount of fastpasses that the system can handle. It does so by spacing those FP's out. Resort guests given uncontrolled FP's could wreak havok. Giving resort guests dictated ride times is a poor excuse for a benefit.

I have no idea how to expand and improve the system, but giving the advantage to the elite or telling the masses when they have to ride is not the best solution IMHO.

All Aboard
04-18-2003, 07:56 AM
Pirate, you know my stance on that. I really like the fact that everyone in the park is on basically equal footing with respect to access to the attractions.

I admit to having a double standard when it comes to WDW v UO. While I love the Express Access I get by staying at HRH, I would absolutely hate it if WDW were to initiate anything similar.

TRAPPED-PARENT
04-18-2003, 10:28 AM
I really like the fact that everyone in the park is on basically equal footing with respect to access to the attractions.

I agree and have no problems with the current Fastpass system. We were just there (staying onsite) and took advantage of EE and e-ride nights. We saw everything at the four parks we wanted to with time to spare in the three days we went in.

C.Ann
04-18-2003, 11:41 AM
I don't like the concept of Fast-pass anywhere - period.

Whether one stays on-site or off is irrelevant.. As long as everyone is paying the same admission to get into the PARK itself, then everyone should have to wait in the same line..

Peter Pirate
04-18-2003, 11:42 AM
Personally I love FP the way it is too, but in trying to "compete" with Universal is where my suggestion stems. It wouldn't benefit me if Disney added the perk to the GF only as I suggested (we can't afford to stay there) and it just seems like it would be quite innocuous...I mean one hotels guest WOULDN'T be likely to alter the regular FP system noticably and FP WOULD still be available to the general public - but it would offer a perk to those who really 'have to have it' although it's true they'd have to stay at the most expensive hotel to get it ... and it would be a huge money maker for the hotel I'm sure...Sorry Kidds DVC members not included (just to rankle Landbaron)...

My concern about a special FP offered for sale to the general public is (1) it really looks like gouging from a PR standpoint and (2) the ability to secure the privilage would make getting a table at Cindy's seem like a walk in the park...Just maybe more trouble than it's worth...

KNWVIKING
04-18-2003, 11:58 AM
Another problem with a "for sale" type FP is that the numbers would have to be limited and sold on a first come-first served basis. Bottom line IMO is that at any given time Disneys on-site population is just too large to offer much of a FP perk for those guests without overwelming the system or alienating off-site guests. Want to give me a perk- code a 10% discount on all purchases to my room key for that days EE park.

SnackyStacky
04-18-2003, 12:27 PM
Quite frankly, I think the entire idea of a special fastpass system, however it's implemented - be it for on site guests, or DVC members, or select resorts - is a move of pure greed. Greed on both the part of Disney, for selling such a perk, and on the part of those who would take part.

The way I see it, as many have said, there are WAY too many people on-site to make viable anything comparable to Universal's Front of the Line Access. The way Disney's system works right now, nobody gets out of waiting in line. Whether you're standing in a queue area, or eating an ice cream, or sitting in the shade, you still have to WAIT to get on that ride.

We are a society that demands instant gratification. If I don't answer an E-Mail within a few hours, I hear about it! If I don't respond to a voice mail within a few hours, I hear about it! I think that this "Me! Me! Me! Now! Now! Now!" attitude is permeating every aspect of our lives.

Instead of trying to manipulate a fastpass system to accomodate the on-site guests, I would just as soon have Disney offer some sort of SUBSTANTIAL discount on non-length of stay admission. (Substantial meaning more than 5% you can get at various outlets like AAA or Ticketmania..I'm talking maybe 25 - 30%) I know that would entice me to book one of their hotels.

seashoreCM
04-18-2003, 12:46 PM
>>>> I don't like the concept of Fast-pass anywhere - period. Whether one stays on-site or off is irrelevant.. As long as everyone is paying the same admission to get into the PARK itself, then everyone should have to wait in the same line..

With the current FastPass system everybody already waits in the same two lines, Fastpass and regular.

>>>> In 1999 (or 98) when the FP system first debuted (or "soft-opened") prior to major advertisement, I could swear that the system was only available to those guests staying on-site. Can anyone else corroborate this story?

On one of my visits shortly after Fast Pass debuted, I found that my room key (All Star) could fetch Fast Passes independently from my park pass, thus giving me twice as many fast passes as an off site guest. I was guessing that this was the remnants of an early soft-opening or test marketing of the Fast Pass system. This loophole was closed shortly thereafter.


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Bstanley
04-18-2003, 12:58 PM
Looks like we need a Modest Proposal - Mark II.

My original thought was based on a couple of premises:

Premise 1. WDW doesn't want to give away any money.

So a 10% discount to resort guests would probably never fly with the powers that be. It's possible that WDW as a whole might gain $$ if some people stay on site that wouldn't have with that perk - but I can just imagine the restaurant guys and the shops guys squealing bloody murder about giving up 10% from their budgets...


Premise 2. Offering FP(+) to the resort guests wouldn't overwhelm a single park if the passes were spaced out throughout the day.

After listening to the comments here I started to doubt that premise - so I did the math I should have done before I typed the first message :-) OK - Disney has about 30,000 hotel rooms. Figure 85% occupancy and you have about 26,000 occupied. Figure an average of 4 people a room and 80% of them are going to visit a WDW theme park that day ~ 83,000 people a day.

It's clear I was wrong and no single park could handle that load along with the offsite guests - but we know that splitting up those 83,000 among the parks would work - it happens every day now. So we just need to figure out how to divide the folks up among the parks.


Premise 3. Someone staying at the All Stars gets the same EE/FP/etc park perks as someone staying at the Grand Floridian.

No 'internal caste-ing' allowed (orders from the Herr Baron :-).


Premise 4. Someone staying at a Disney Resort can be offered park perks not offered to someone staying offsite.

'External caste-ing' is allowed - it happens every day now (EE, no parking fee, etc).


Premise 5. People staying at a WDW resort want the same FOTL privilege that UO offers.

I've got to admit it - I don't feel at all bad/embarrased/etc when I walk down the Express lane at UO/IoA because I've stayed at a UO hotel. But there have been several comments about not wanting any further 'caste-ing' to occur...


OK - so here's 'A Modest Proposal' - Mark II.

FP(+) - a Disney resort guest can get a set of Fast Passes for all the FP attractions at a single park each day, the FPs are spaced throughout the day so that the FP attractions won't get swamped at 10am 'cause everybody got up and headed to that attraction. Each day the parks are divided up among the resorts such that the number of of possible guests won't overwhelm a particular park. So for example on Mondays the monorail resorts might be able to choose between getting a set of FPs for MK or EPCOT while on Mondays the All Stars get to pick between The Studios or AK, etc.

It doesn't cost WDW any money (in fact they could probably do away with EE so it might save them so money) and it gives the Resort guests a tangible perk (minimal lines).

OK - new comments?

All Aboard
04-18-2003, 01:51 PM
On one of my visits shortly after Fast Pass debuted, I found that my room key (All Star) could fetch Fast Passes independently from my park pass, thus giving me twice as many fast passes as an off site guest. Along with Miami Metro Rail passes, old park passes, parking lot tickets, anything with a magnetic strip. Not that I know this from personal experience, of course. :) :)

Oh, and of course the "magic button" on the backs of the machines.

crusader
04-18-2003, 02:08 PM
Bstanley-

After looking at the numbers I would agree something more can be offered. Why not an ultimate FP for one day which would have a minimum length of stay attached exclusive to onsite guests.

DisneyKidds
04-18-2003, 02:17 PM
As per Screamscape, looks like Disneyland is moving forward with some kind of enhanced FP...................
Park News - (4/18/03) Awhile back Disney introduced a new kind of Enhanced FastPass option for guests who made their vacation plans with AAA. This new kind of FastPass would allow them to go around the park and swipe their cards for FastPasses at every single FP attraction in the park all at the same time without waiting for one to expire first. A reader tells me that this option is now available as an option for anyone booking through Disney’s Travel Company (714-520-5050) and for about $135.75 you’ll get a 5 day park hopper with a bunch of extras, one of which is “Enchanced Fastpass”.

KNWVIKING
04-18-2003, 03:13 PM
Based on the number of on-site guests DL has, a system similar to US/IOA is a possibility. As I stated earlier,the trip package we had at DL included four wildcard type FP tickets.

seashoreCM
04-18-2003, 08:30 PM
>>> Along with Miami Metro Rail passes, ... . Not that I know this from personal experience, of course...

Anyone actually tried a non-Disney card and succeeded in fetching a Fast Pass?

wdwguide
04-18-2003, 09:10 PM
I know that Disneyland tickets, Phantasialand tickets and Disneyland Paris tickets did not work - probably because they either used a barcode system instead of a mag stripe, or the mag stripe was in the wrong place. But then I had almost a dozen expired tickets lying around... Those were good times ;)

emmagata
04-18-2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by C.Ann
I don't like the concept of Fast-pass anywhere - period.

Whether one stays on-site or off is irrelevant.. As long as everyone is paying the same admission to get into the PARK itself, then everyone should have to wait in the same line..


I disagree.

I think the current FP system works great. I don't understand why more people don't use it.

I think the reason the FP system works so well is that it helps balance the demand for an attraction and gets people to visit less popular attractions.

I REALLY don't want to see them implement a FOTL system like US/IOA on site guests. There are many other perks that they can give out to entice people to stay on site that doesn't have a negative effect on off-site guests.

I think that once you've paid the admission to the park, each guest should have an equal shot at getting onto an attraction.

And that does happen with FP.


I don't even like the idea of offering an enhanced FP system were for a small (yea right!) you can use the FP entrance without waiting any period of time.

morphi
04-18-2003, 11:23 PM
morphi, that will absolutely kill off-site visitor business. Think about it. If Fastpass is limited to onsite guests, all offsite guests will be forced into the stanby lines that are being made longer already by Fastpass. The offsite guest will either 1) decide, "boy I gotta stay onsite next time" or more likely 2) say "screw this, this sucks". I'm not sure it will kill it all together. But any loss in off-site visitors may be made-up for by on-site guests. Plus, if FastPass is limited to on-site guests, the FP system will not be so overwhelmed because there will be fewer guests in the virtual queues. This means that stand-by lines can actually DECREASE (for off-site guests).

With ALL guests in the FP system, say a ride (like Pooh) allocates every other car to FP guests so that 50% of ride capacity is dedicated to FP guests and the other 50% to stand-by guests. If FP were changed to be open only to on-site guests, then only 25% of ride capacity could be reserved for FP because there would be fewer guests eligible for the FP system. This will cause the stand-by lines to move 50% faster and be more amenable to the off-site guests.

Also, many of the off-site guests are locals who have annual passes. These people would have access to FastPass as well.

As far as creating a caste system goes, I think that is not so much of an issue now that WDW has a wide spectrum of resorts for all budgets. If there were no value resorts, then maybe FP being only open to onsite guests could be accused of creating a caste system. However, I doubt that many families at all can afford to come to Disney for vacation but cannot afford at least the All-Stars (especially if they look for discount codes, etc.). If they choose to stay off-site for their own preferences, that is a choice not forced onto them and giving up access to FastPass would need to be part of their decision-making matrix.

C.Ann
04-19-2003, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by emmagata
I disagree.

I think the current FP system works great. I don't understand why more people don't use it.

I think the reason the FP system works so well is that it helps balance the demand for an attraction and gets people to visit less popular attractions.

I REALLY don't want to see them implement a FOTL system like US/IOA on site guests. There are many other perks that they can give out to entice people to stay on site that doesn't have a negative effect on off-site guests.

I think that once you've paid the admission to the park, each guest should have an equal shot at getting onto an attraction.

And that does happen with FP.


I don't even like the idea of offering an enhanced FP system were for a small (yea right!) you can use the FP entrance without waiting any period of time.

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My mistake.. I thought this thread was referring to FRONT OF THE LINE passes.. :o Guess that's what I get for trying to respond to threads when I'm down with the flu.. Duh!

Carry on.............

All Aboard
04-19-2003, 12:49 PM
Anyone actually tried a non-Disney card and succeeded in fetching a Fast Pass?The "not that I would know this from personal experience" was injected as a wink, wink. I shamefully admit to using several non-pass items in the very earliest days of FastPass. But, with the first software upgrade in 2000, that ability was eliminated. Now, only passes that were actually used in the turnstiles are good for snagging FastPasses.

Frozenfingers
04-22-2003, 12:25 PM
On one of our trips, we visited USO where they allow more than one pass to be actrive at a time, and as a result the vending stations were emptied very early and we did not get to see some of the more popular attractions. Those we did see required a very long (like over an hour and a half) wait! We were cold, wet, and miserable, and that experience of missing what we came to see turned us off from visiting again! We spend way too much $$$ to come to FL to stand in line to watch others circle us (gettin off the attraction and immediately reentering). I don't have a good opinion of USO (obviously) and I think it would be a huge mistake for Disney to start "park perks" based upon where the GUEST happens to be staying.

WDW does have FOTL privies tho... we took the DVC tour and were given two passes each that allows access to fastpass return line. Didn't use them though.. you meet (and see) the most interesting people in line...

eclipseSD
04-22-2003, 05:36 PM
I don't want to meet freaks and weirdos, I want to get on the ride.

emmagata
04-22-2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by eclipseSD
I don't want to meet freaks and weirdos, I want to get on the ride.


We don't either so move along. :)

seashoreCM
04-23-2003, 07:18 AM
Would Disney increase profits by offering an "anti travel hassle" package? There would be no extra cost and there would actually be rebates here and there. Guests who arrive late due to security hassles at the home airport would not have to pay for missed items such as the first night's resort stay, and also be given extra Fast Passes to make up for the inconvenience.

The idea is to get more guests who are undecided about coming to come.

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>>> [Fast Pass] vending stations emptied

Has anyone gotten a refund or raincheck after entering a park, finding it too crowded, and leaving? (This would mean walking the entire park and surveying most of the ride lines and then returning to the entrance within say one hour.)

emmagata
04-23-2003, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by seashoreCM
Would Disney increase profits by offering an "anti travel hassle" package? There would be no extra cost and there would actually be rebates here and there. Guests who arrive late due to security hassles at the home airport would not have to pay for missed items such as the first night's resort stay, and also be given extra Fast Passes to make up for the inconvenience.

The idea is to get more guests who are undecided about coming to come.

*******

>>> [Fast Pass] vending stations emptied

Has anyone gotten a refund or raincheck after entering a park, finding it too crowded, and leaving? (This would mean walking the entire park and surveying most of the ride lines and then returning to the entrance within say one hour.)

Are you sure you're posting in the right topic?

carone0318
04-25-2003, 01:38 PM
As written by Frozenfingers:

I don't have a good opinion of USO (obviously) and I think it would be a huge mistake for Disney to start "park perks" based upon where the GUEST happens to be staying.

DW already has "park perks," essentially that's what e-nights are and EE. Basically it is for resort guests.

My thoughts on an advanced FP would be maybe allow resort guests the ability to hold 2 FPs at once as opposed to having to wait till a certain time to obtain the 2nd.

stitch22
05-01-2003, 06:53 PM
please do not change the fastpass system! i am so tired of hearing guests complain about it when EVERYONE is able to obtain one. can you imagine the unhappy feelings toward something that is as mean as bypassing the entire standby que, causing them to wait even longer, and not allowing everyone to be entitled to this perk??? trust me, as a cast member working fastpass at two of the most popular attractions at wdw, this is just not a good idea. not all families can afford to stay on property and fastpass is something that is a treat for everybody! i know that disney people who are loyal and love the company want special perks, but think of something that is not gonna cause bad feelings between on site and off site guests. the last thing that i wanna do is tell every person in standby who i have to cut off to let fp through that you have to be staying on disney property to take advantage of the system. just last week i was almost punched for letting fp go ahead of a 70 min wait of stdby ppl. sorry...just my two cents. thanks!
q:)

emmagata
05-01-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by stitch22
please do not change the fastpass system! i am so tired of hearing guests complain about it when EVERYONE is able to obtain one. can you imagine the unhappy feelings toward something that is as mean as bypassing the entire standby que, causing them to wait even longer, and not allowing everyone to be entitled to this perk??? trust me, as a cast member working fastpass at two of the most popular attractions at wdw, this is just not a good idea. not all families can afford to stay on property and fastpass is something that is a treat for everybody! i know that disney people who are loyal and love the company want special perks, but think of something that is not gonna cause bad feelings between on site and off site guests. the last thing that i wanna do is tell every person in standby who i have to cut off to let fp through that you have to be staying on disney property to take advantage of the system. just last week i was almost punched for letting fp go ahead of a 70 min wait of stdby ppl. sorry...just my two cents. thanks!
q:)


Exactly!!!!

I don't mind anyone getting something special as long as it doesn't come at the expense of others.

EE didn't put any other park guest at a disadvantage.

Suprise mornings didn't either.

colleen costello
05-03-2003, 02:26 PM
I recently finished reading a link that discussed actual deaths at Disneyland. Most were accidents (Matterhorn smushing, river-drowning, etc) but two were murders. I think making some kind of "front of line" access for the priveleged (whoever Disney might decide they be) is asking for trouble when thousands of people are crowded into lines in the Florida heat. Fastpass as it is now is fair, and offers you the choice of "waiting in line" somewhere other than in line, be it bathroom, food stand or souvenir shop. It's not broke; don't fix it!

Disneycrazymom
05-05-2003, 05:38 PM
I would also like FP to be available for everyone. I think if it were offered for resort guests, it would help bookings but guests may not need to stay as long as they could "see" the parks in less time. Also not all families can stay on-site. Many of the families that could only afford the All Stars can not stay there because they are a family of 5.

Lewisc
05-06-2003, 09:18 AM
Disney already offers EE and E nights for resort guests. Disney has too many rooms onsite to offer park perks similar to Universal.

The rumors previously posted were that extra FP (it was even speculated that a FP for immediate use might be issued) perks would either cost extra money or be limited to conceirge guests (or at least guests of deluxe resorts).

I don't think Disney could do much more for resort guests without SCREWING the offsite guests.

Beckles
05-07-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Frozenfingers
On one of our trips, we visited USO where they allow more than one pass to be actrive at a time

Not anymore, that is no longer an issue, you can now only have one, like Disney does.

We spend way too much $$$ to come to FL to stand in line to watch others circle us (gettin off the attraction and immediately reentering).

This is not something they allow during busy times any longer, onsite guests can only use the Express Line once per hour during busy times (they scan your key).

Beckles
05-07-2003, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Bstanley
Premise 2. Offering FP(+) to the resort guests wouldn't overwhelm a single park if the passes were spaced out throughout the day.

After listening to the comments here I started to doubt that premise - so I did the math I should have done before I typed the first message :-) OK - Disney has about 30,000 hotel rooms. Figure 85% occupancy and you have about 26,000 occupied. Figure an average of 4 people a room and 80% of them are going to visit a WDW theme park that day ~ 83,000 people a day.

It's clear I was wrong and no single park could handle that load along with the offsite guests - but we know that splitting up those 83,000 among the parks would work - it happens every day now. So we just need to figure out how to divide the folks up among the parks.


Considering rides can only put through no more than about 3,000 riders per hour, it just wouldn't work.

If 1/4 of those folks went to Epcot, 21,000, those guests alone would use up 7 hours or so of the total ride availability at a ride like Test Track.

OhMari
05-09-2003, 09:55 PM
just last week i was almost punched for letting fp go ahead of a 70 min wait of stdby ppl. sorry...just my two cents. thanks!



No one should ever hit anyone out of anger. I'm sorry you felt threathened.

I waited almost 2 hours to get on Space Mountain. We could not get fast pass tickets. If we could of we could have returned in 40 minutes to get on Space Mountain. The posted time for stand by was 30. Why the 2 hour wait.

Cause for every 10 minute fast pass time, only 4 stand-by people were let on. I heard this happened on Buzz and Splash Mountain too. This system is totally wrong. If they know how many people can ride in 10 minute intervals, then give out that many and keep the line going. I paid way to much money for Disney to stand in a line for over 2 hours, it wasn't fair.

Don't tell me Disney doesn't know how many people are going to be in the parks. They way they keep changing their times. They stayed opened at the Magic Kingdom Easter Week till Midnight. They knew it would be way to over crowded and it was!:(

doubletrouble_vb
05-09-2003, 10:35 PM
I don't see any true usefulness in changing the way FP works. It would be better if Disney added more C ticket rides to soak up the extra people.

If Disney really wanted to do something special for onsite guests they could have a resort guest only show take place in MGM after it closes. Or give them heavily discounted tickets to DisneyQuest or Pleasure Island.

year2late
05-10-2003, 07:21 AM
I agree that WDW has too many onsite rooms to accomodate any additional fastpass system.

I will be using the "Passport Plus" at DL next month. (I can get one FP per attraction without waiting for a new time period. To get an additional FP for a ride I have already recieved a FP for I need to wait as usual. It is a good incentive for my family. (one person in the family will have an annual pass for the discounts)

Passport plus originally was intended for travel packages at Disneyland, but they allow you to buy these tickets independently at AAA - so I fear if these tickets are popular this system may backfire.

Any additional perk for "special" guests has the potential of breaking the whole FP system.

seashoreCM
05-12-2003, 01:06 PM
The sign said 30 minutes for a wait but it took 2 hours?

Must have been a malfunction somewhere. I heard somewhere that after curing a malfunction, an extra effort is made to get the Fast Pass backlog through at the expense of the regular line. But it is still desirable to let people in the regular line know of the delay so some can leave and come back later.

Often the ratio of Fast Pass to stand by riders is 4:1 even under normal conditions. It appeared to me that Space Mountain and Big THunder had a 1:1 ratio because there are two separate boarding areas.

Often I have suggested that misinformation problems leading to wasted time be followed up with a written complaint at Guest Relations where you then and there make a request for an extra Fast Pass for each member of your party.