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tiggerguy2000
02-15-2003, 09:16 AM
I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF ANOTHER GOLF COURSE DVC WHEN WE GOT OLD KEY WEST.I THINK A MONO RAIL DVC WOULD BE A BETTER CHOICE.THE GRAND POLYNESIAN WOULD BE A BIG SELLER AND WOULD OUT SELL ANY OTHER DVC RESORT.I DONT THINK THEY COULD ADD ON TO THE CONTEMPORARY BUT THAT ALSO WOULD BRING BACK THE GLORY OF THE CONTEMPORARY. THE ANIMAL KINGDOM RESORT WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD CHOICE BUT I HEAR THAT IT WOULD UPSET THE ANIMALS. I WOULD NEVER STAY AT EAGLE PINES BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION.WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
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vbfamily
02-15-2003, 09:23 AM
I would like any DVC resort closer to MK-I think they need another one.

I would stay at any of the resorts you mentioned. I wonder sometimes why there aren't more DVC properties near MK and why there are so many near Epcot.

Who knows, maybe someday we will see one of the resorts you mention. I think any you mention would be better than EP.

Cruelladeville
02-15-2003, 09:32 AM
I personally think you shouldn't shout, I can read you perfectly fine without the caps. But to answer your question, I like the idea of another golf course. I suppose, though, that Saratoga Springs could be considered a golf course resort by the time they finish it it should be right up to the first tee, almost, so perhaps that is a golf and spa resort. I would like to see a DVC over near the magic kingdom, Contemporary would be a good choice. It certainly could use SOMETHING to spiff it up. But to change Poly would be a sacrilege! That would be over the edge, as far as I'm concerned. Leave Poly alone.:eek:

tiberius
02-15-2003, 09:43 AM
I agree with you that many would enjoy a Poly or AK DVC location-and a monorail DVC would be outstanding, but I think Disney would be marketing Eagle Pines to a different customer. Perhaps older couples who are looking more for a resort vacation than young families who tour the parks.

CaptainMidnight
02-15-2003, 09:58 AM
Just a note about your post for future reference, posting in all caps is considered 'shouting'' in the internet community. It usually it comes from novices and is not considered good form, that's what a previous post is refering to.

I think it is probably doubtful that Eagle Pines is still in teh works. Saratoga Springs is probably a substitute for Eagle Pines. I don' t think any additional resprts are needed after Saratoga Springs. The more resorts that exsist, the less bargaining power there is to negotiate good point exchange rates for things like cruises. There is a point where stopping additional resorts is in current members best interest, IMHO.

I think that if there was a monorail resort, it might be better at the Contemporary location, replacing one of the garden wings. That would place it within walking distance of AK if desired.

goofy4dvc
02-15-2003, 10:22 AM
DH and I are really looking forward to Eagle Pines. From the artist renderings, it looked like a beautiful resort. Also it is projected to be quite large.

That being said, YES, I would love to see a DVC resort tied to the monorail. WL and VWL are SOOO close to the monorail, it seems to me that it could be relatively easy to add on to the monorail just a bit to swing by the resort. Was there ever any discussion or consideration about this?

Has anyone been following the story about building a rail system from the airport to WDW? Interesting. It would make me think twice about whether we needed to rent a car during our visits. I think it would also be linked to Universal Studios, among other places. Would that mean we could catch the rail system from WDW to US/IA and SeaWorld? Think of the possibilities!!!

Werner Weiss
02-15-2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
I think it is probably doubtful that Eagle Pines is still in teh works. Saratoga Springs is probably a substitute for Eagle Pines. I don' t think any additional resprts are needed after Saratoga Springs.
Saratoga Springs is a substitute in terms of the current timetable. The Eagle Pines location was originally slated to have a Spring 2004 opening. Now Saratoga Springs is slated for a Spring 2004 opening.

But there's no reason to believe that the Eagle Pines location has been permanently removed from the WDW master plan and the Disney Vacation Development (DVD) business plan.
Originally posted by CaptainMidnight
The more resorts that exsist, the less bargaining power there is to negotiate good point exchange rates for things like cruises. There is a point where stopping additional resorts is in current members best interest, IMHO.
The "exchange rate" is based on the market value of the cash nights that correspond to the points. If DVC resorts are appealing to cash guests and those guests are willing to pay a hefty room rate, the "exchange rate" will be good. But that's not really the issue.

In any case, Disney isn't going to make their business decisions based on the "current members' best interest." Disney will continue to develop DVC resorts as long as it's a profitable business -- and all indications are that it's very good business for Disney in the short term (profit on sales) and the long term (management fee plus spending by returning DVC guests).

CaptainMidnight
02-15-2003, 11:10 AM
The "exchange rate" is based on the market value of the cash nights that correspond to the points. If DVC resorts are appealing to cash guests and those guests are willing to pay a hefty room rate, the "exchange rate" will be good. But that's not really the issue.
Actually it is the issue. My contention is that the impact on DVC members is that increased supply will reduce cash guests williness to pay a hefty room rate, regardless of the degree to which that impacts Disney's decision to produce more resorts (which your right, it doesn't, profits do.)

larry_poppins
02-15-2003, 07:09 PM
I have posted this on another thread. I will repeat my idea here.
Once SSR is sold out. There is another big block of unsold rooms at WDW. I am referring to the Pop Century. If it is still unopen, maybe WDW/DVC will start a new DVC on the current site of some or all of the Pop Century. After all the sewer lines and electricity are all there. This would solve the problem of what to do with the Pop Century. I am assuming that the value resort won't open.

Larry

Disneyaholic
02-15-2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by larry_poppins
I have posted this on another thread. I will repeat my idea here.
Once SSR is sold out. There is another big block of unsold rooms at WDW. I am referring to the Pop Century. If it is still unopen, maybe WDW/DVC will start a new DVC on the current site of some or all of the Pop Century. After all the sewer lines and electricity are all there. This would solve the problem of what to do with the Pop Century. I am assuming that the value resort won't open.

Larry

I am HOPING that resort never opens...

:p

Patpat15
02-15-2003, 07:42 PM
you lost me!

sgtdisney
02-15-2003, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Disneyaholic
I am HOPING that resort (Pop Century) never opens...

:p

There is some speculation that the Pop Century Resort is currently being prepped to open this summer. There is a Cast Member who posts in the Transporation Board and he reports seeing work being done on the Pop Century Entry sign and speculates that they maybe be prepping the resort to be opened.

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=329655

anniet
02-15-2003, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by larry_poppins
I have posted this on another thread. I will repeat my idea here.
Once SSR is sold out. There is another big block of unsold rooms at WDW. I am referring to the Pop Century. If it is still unopen, maybe WDW/DVC will start a new DVC on the current site of some or all of the Pop Century. After all the sewer lines and electricity are all there. This would solve the problem of what to do with the Pop Century. I am assuming that the value resort won't open.

Larry

Have you seen the location of Pop Century? I think there are offsite hotels that are located better than that resort. Not to mention that it seems highly unlikely that DVC will invest the $$ to turn a value resort that never opened into a DVC resort.

sgtdisney
02-15-2003, 08:16 PM
Originally posted by anniet
Have you seen the location of Pop Century? I think there are offsite hotels that are located better than that resort. Not to mention that it seems highly unlikely that DVC will invest the $$ to turn a value resort that never opened into a DVC resort.

I agree. Aside from a complete tear down, I don't see them turning the Pop Century into a DVC at all. The buildings are brand new but would have to be completely redone. Look at Saratoga Springs.. Disney could have just as easily updated the Townhouses at the DI and renamed the resort and probably could have gotten away with selling them as a DVC resort but instead they are tearing that whole area down and rebuilding it. The Townhouses were over 25 years old. Pop Century is brand new, I don't think it will be anything but a Value resort for now. They may end up re-theming it, but I even doubt that.

Caskbill
02-15-2003, 11:24 PM
Have you seen the location of Pop Century? I think there are offsite hotels that are located better than that resort. I really don't think so.

If you look at where most of the 'action' is, Pop Century is in a much better location than it's sister value resorts: All Stars.

ASR is close to AK and BB

PC is closer to MGM, Epcot, DD, PI, TL.

AK may be a toss up.

Off Site hotels closer? If you consider some of the hotels between DD and Cross Roads, then those are closer to DD and PI, but definitely not closer to MGM, or AK, and probably not any closer to Epcot and MK than PC will be.

But if you consider hotels in the same price range as PC will be, then I don't think you'll find anything off site that is closer.

Werner Weiss
02-16-2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by sgtdisney
Aside from a complete tear down, I don't see them turning the Pop Century into a DVC at all. The buildings are brand new but would have to be completely redone.
I agree.

I don't see any possible business case that would justify tearing down the brand new Pop Century Resort, and the tiny "value" rooms with their tiny bathrooms do not lend themselves to conversion to DVC timeshare units.

Most likely, Pop Century will open as soon as demand for on-site lodging increases -- either under the Disney brand, or possibly under another lodging company's brand (if Disney decides they can make more money by selling or leasing the Pop Century to another company).

After Sarasota Springs, I still expect to see the Eagle Pines location developed into DVC resort, eventually. But there may be additional DVC resort development at the Disney Institure site first -- either as future phases of Sarasota Springs or as resorts with different names and themes. There's a lot of property at the Disney Institute site.

SamR
02-16-2003, 11:01 AM
I think that if there was a monorail resort, it might be better at the Contemporary location, replacing one of the garden wings.There was a rumor to that effect either on this board, or on the rumor board a few months ago. (I think it may have been tied in to the completion of Shades of Green, and the corresponding freeing of the North (I think) Garden Wing that is currently being used to house SoG guests.) While the rumor may have no grounding in fact, I must say that it was a very pleasant thought...I would do an add-on there in a heartbeat, just for the opportunity to be within walking distance of the MK. (Plus, I'm pretty fond of the Contemporary anyway.)

For me personally, Epcot is my favorite park, and the proximity to it is one of the reasons I love my home resort, the BCV, but many families with young children (I have three) would likely be interested in an option that puts them so close to the MK.

I can just imagine the advertising now..."Disney Vacation Club Ownership...just steps away from the Magic Kingdom!" :earsboy:

CaptainMidnight
02-16-2003, 11:05 AM
How about creating a DVC resort in combination with a new major park attaction in a norther location to capture local interest and reduced driving distances. The DVC resort and theme could be build in conjunction with the new park attraction theme. We've heard of the interest in an American/Patriatic themed park in maryland that didn't materialize. How about DVC resort and winter park that includes an indoor ski area to capture ski interest year round. There are some attempts at indoor skiing:
http://www.goski.com/experts/snowdomes/snowdomes.htm

WDWguru
02-16-2003, 12:15 PM
Actually, I would love to see them build a villian-theme park, sort of a reverse MK. They could do a big "scary" castle, lots of big rides to compete with Universal/IOA, maybe even move Fantasmic there or do another show of that type. Obviously, it'd be very "Disney scary," so as not to alienate ALL the little ones, but perhaps would attract the older kids that are heading to the other parks for their big thrills. I've wanted them to do this for YEARS! Disney Imagineers, if you're out there, feel free to steal this idea and RUN with it!

They could locate it up on the north part of the property near MK and build a DVC in the area as someone just suggested here. Something very European or gothic would be cool.

CaptainMidnight
02-16-2003, 01:50 PM
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Back to future DVC resorts discussion -- I don't think Eagle Pines will happen. I think Saratoga Springs is a substitute for the Eagle Pines resort, not a precursor, even though it hasn't been officially removed from the plans. There's plenty of room at the Saratoga Springs site for a large resort and future expansion, and the waterfront proximity to DD is a great perk, along with golf course proximity.

How about a northern DVC resort with skiing and a large indoor waterpark like:
http://www.greatbearlodge.com/waterparks.asp?bhcp=1
http://tc.greatwolflodge.com/waterparks.asp?bhcp=1
Didn't I read where Disney bought some land in Vancouver? Perhaps an indoor waterpark would be a buffer for those times when swimming isn't available in WDW due to weather, along with the indoor skiing...... I know, it'll never happen..... A contemporary resort DVC wing might be the most likely and practical monorail DVC resort option. It would also be within walking distance to MK. Where were they talking about or the rumors of the venitian resort? Was that on the monorail line?

CaptainMidnight
02-16-2003, 08:09 PM
Here's that link regarding the Vancouver purchase rumor:
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=326819

Disney Doll
02-16-2003, 09:38 PM
I would have to agree that if there is going to be a DVC near the MK, then the Contemporary is probably the MK resort with the most space able to be freed up for the project.

PamOKW
02-16-2003, 10:27 PM
Have you seen the location of Pop Century?

Pop Century is exactly where Disney wanted it for its intended guests....the many people who come to the sporting events at WWofS. The location is just minutes from the Sports area. They are trying to capture the kids and their entourages who might now stay offsite.

I loved the plans for Eagle Pines and I'm hoping it isn't "dead". So far, Saratoga Springs isn't floating my boat. It's too close to OKW and just doesn't have anything that's grabbing my attention. Of course, I could change my mind once I try it. ;)

A MK/monorail DVC would be terrific. I just don't know whether they've got the land to do it. There always seems to be rumors about problems with the undeveloped areas in that section such as being inland wetland and/or unsuitable for building.

zulaya
02-17-2003, 07:24 AM
The Venetian was supposed to be an all concierge hotel located on the monorail line between the Polynesian and the Contemporary. I seem to remember reading that it had something to do with the land there that made it to costly to build, but I don't remember all the details right now.

Desperado
02-17-2003, 08:52 AM
Pop Century is exactly where Disney wanted it for its intended guests....the many people who come to the sporting events at WWofS. The location is just minutes from the Sports area. They are trying to capture the kids and their entourages who might now stay offsite.
Boy, that's a great point, I hadn't thought of that. There are many large groups that come to Disney, my wife actually came with her marching band to be in a parade there. But of course, they stayed off site due to the expense. It would have been a much nicer experience for them if they were on site. Pop Century could capture those kinds of excursions.

Doctor P
02-17-2003, 09:38 AM
Count me in a minority, but I not only think that Eagle Pines will be built, but that it will be an immense success. With the aging of the population, the continued growth of interest in golf, and the need to further diversify Disney's portfolio (IMHO), Eagle Pines should be a winner. I will also speculate that it will become the linchpin of a new type of Disney timeshare that is aimed at a different market.

Dean
02-17-2003, 12:27 PM
I personally doubt if EP will happen but if it does, it will not happen as announce AND end in 2042. There's no reasonable way they can develop that resort and sell it out with sales extending out to under 30 years remaining on the RTU. If they started next year and opened in 2005 or 2006 with the 600 units, it would likely take some 8-10 years to sell it out giving only about 25 years remaining to 2042. So take it to the bank that EP will not happen with the size and scope announced AND end in 2042. My guess is also that SS is a substitute which will be better in some ways and worse in others compared to the EP concept.