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FredS
02-09-2003, 06:19 PM
DVC members are in a little different class because of banking and separate cancellation policies, so I was particularly interested in how other DVC owners would react to a war with Iraq, at least as regarding their vacation plans for the year. I am also curious as to how that would affect NEXT year's reservations and availability if many people cancelled for 2003.

ncligs
02-09-2003, 06:41 PM
We leave (flying down) in 4 days for OKW.Unless all airplanes are grounded ;) , we will be in Florida.http://www.wdwinfo.com/sites/family/biggthumpup.gif

GAIL HAYDEN
02-09-2003, 06:42 PM
You did not have an answer for me, so, I will just say, if I decide to travel, I will, I doubt this will have any effect on me, other than the normal sadness that it is happening.

anniet
02-09-2003, 06:52 PM
We already went in January 2003, but if war had broken out before then we still would have gone.

Our guide told us that DVC members love Disney so much that they still had a 90% occupancy rate the weeks following 9/11 even though their other resort occupancy had dropped considerably.

After we joined and read the guidelines we quickly learned exactly why.

TIdoublegaER
02-09-2003, 06:54 PM
We plan on going to HH for a week (driving) in June and WDW for a week in July (flying). At this point, I don't see anything that would keep us from going. I think even if air travel were suspended, we would still jump in the car and drive down there.

mb168
02-09-2003, 06:56 PM
As long as I can fly or drive there, I plan to fulfill all four of my planned trips.

ncligs. We'll see you in OKW. Olivia's, shrimp fritters and citrus coolers, here we come. Bump Saddam!!

InstImpres
02-09-2003, 07:13 PM
We'll be there next week and again in August. Unless the park closes :( you can expeect me making my PS's and at the gates!!!

(I'm so jealous of all of you going at the end of the week, we couldn't get a flight out until Sunday - see you all there)

cher8754
02-09-2003, 07:40 PM
I am planning an African Safari thru the Adventure Collection this fall. I checked on the Travel Insurance. It does not cover war unless the war is taking place in the country I am going to. Well, guess what - I'm going anyway. A week after 9-11, my family and 25 other people left for Jamaica for my son's wedding. Not one person cancelled! Life is too short - we simply can't put our plans on hold.

ncligs
02-09-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by mb168
ncligs. We'll see you in OKW. Olivia's, shrimp fritters and citrus coolers, here we come.

http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_klein_1/drink.gif http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_klein_1/a_smil09.gif Can't wait mb168!!

Kirk
02-09-2003, 07:58 PM
Why would anyone cancel? Fear of terrorism?

jimmytammy
02-09-2003, 08:01 PM
We are definitely going in Dec. We went 2 weeks after 9/11. If we dont go on with our lives, then Saddam and Osama win. Those folks on the front lines are there so those kinds of people cant take those freedoms away from us. Im not a war monger, in fact I wish peace would prevail, but it doesnt look like we have a lot of options left. Pray that President Bush makes the right decisions for our country, because I believe he is praying to his Creator looking for the right answers.

Jimmy

Kirk
02-09-2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by jimmytammy
We are definitely going in Dec. We went 2 weeks after 9/11. If we dont go on with our lives, then Saddam and Osama win. Those folks on the front lines are there so those kinds of people cant take those freedoms away from us. Im not a war monger, in fact I wish peace would prevail, but it doesnt look like we have a lot of options left. Pray that President Bush makes the right decisions for our country, because I believe he is praying to his Creator looking for the right answers.

Jimmy


Right on Jimmy! We went in Oct after 9/11. Airtravel was a bear but once you get to THE WORLD it's all worth it!!!:D

poohbear1029
02-09-2003, 08:13 PM
We have trips planned for BWV the end of this month and BCV (HOME!) in October for the golf tournee....only way we would cancel is if DVC did or if DH was told he couldnt take leave -- he is in the USAF. :wave:

Kirk
02-09-2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by poohbear1029
We have trips planned for BWV the end of this month and BCV (HOME!) in October for the golf tournee....only way we would cancel is if DVC did or if DH was told he couldnt take leave -- he is in the USAF. :wave:

poohbear,

Much prayers of support for your DH!!!!

CaptainMidnight
02-09-2003, 08:20 PM
I'm wondering if the original posters intent was to express concern over visiting a high visibility location like WDW, using airlines, or the uncertainty of a large vacation monetary expenditure.

At a time of many brave men and women putting themselves in harms way, the reality probably is that we may all be in greater danger than ever before as we are now at our ORANGE state of alert. At a time like this, it might be an even more important time to get away from work, bring the family close and spend quality time together at a beautiful place like our DVC resorts. We are planning on continuing with our vacation plans, with special thoughts and prayers for my brother serving in the Air Force that he comes back safe.

jimmytammy
02-09-2003, 08:31 PM
We will keep your brother in mind during our prayers. My BIL is in USAF just back from Afghanistan. We hope he doesnt have to go back anytime soon.

mb168
02-09-2003, 08:31 PM
I can't think of a better way to show that they haven't gotten us than to go to Mickey World and have a great time. To me that has got to be the ultimate. While they are out there dodging Tomahawks picking sand out of their teeth, DW and I will be enjoying Valentines Day in the happiest place on earth. The ultimate in up yours to the terrorists. (hope I can say that???)

DVCPAT
02-09-2003, 09:23 PM
We have a DVC vacation planned in 2003, I would not change a thing. Our life is a cake walk compared to other generations who fought for our way of life we enjoy today.

I dont worry about things you can't control. My only concern would be the economy so if/when the terrorist strike again, we will spend alittle more money than usual. Anything to counter the terrorist objectives.

FredS
02-09-2003, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by Kirk
Why would anyone cancel? Fear of terrorism?


Fear of terrorism would be one, but probably toward the bottom of the list for most. On one hand, making a point to not change your plans to avoid any accusation of giving power to the enemy has some validity, but for some it is not practical. An actual war could affect one's finances in a negative way, or at least add an element of uncertainty. A close friend or family member may be called to fight. Many people would just find comfort in staying close to home during that sort of event. Just as after September 11th there were many cancelled trips.

Unless there are major problems with the transportation system, I don't think war would affect our planned trips. I think that may well be a very different situation if a loved one was actively engaged in fighting. Personally, I would be uncomfortable on vacation while they were risking death. Regardless of any thought that they would want me to go, I would feel, I don't know--sad, disrespectful, just feel like it would be inappropriate and I would rather save the trip until I know they are out of harm's way.

There is also a practical aspect to my question. I was just thinking that if a large percentage of DVCers cancelled trips this year, that the next year or two could be really difficult as far as making reservations when those banked points must be used. So far, it appears that DVC reservations shouldn't be tremendously affected, as least that is the response of today's optimistic group. :D

GAIL HAYDEN
02-09-2003, 09:33 PM
Our guide told us that DVC members love Disney so much that they still had a 90% occupancy rate the weeks following 9/11 even though their other resort occupancy had dropped considerably.

I was there the Friday after 9/11 and it was very very deserted.
It may have zoomed up to about 90% the week after, but, for the first week after it was deserted.

SheriB
02-09-2003, 10:30 PM
I'm not sure how I would answer the poll. Our plans aren't until June. Right now I could say I'm not changing our plans, but we have enough family and friends who are on active duty or could be called back to serve. Also, who knows between now and then how things will pan out financially. On the one hand, our servicemen are there to protect our rights to do as we please(our thoughts and prayers are with them). But on the other hand, just how safe would we actually be in the number one tourist spot in the USA (I almost hate to even think that question, much less ask it)? But right now, I say, count me in!

Sheri

Johnnie Fedora
02-09-2003, 11:51 PM
On 9/18, My whole family flew to WDW for our first DVC stay. I can't believe the resorts were 90% full...It was a ghost town, and we got a the best pool view room. The flight was absolutely eire.:eek: It was a big plane with the middle rows. It had about 15 people on it.

9/11 changed everyones life:(

I love spending vacation time with my family, and I really appreciate my life.

lacool
02-10-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by FredS
Personally, I would be uncomfortable on vacation while they were risking death. Regardless of any thought that they would want me to go, I would feel, I don't know--sad, disrespectful, just feel like it would be inappropriate and I would rather save the trip until I know they are out of harm's way.

DH is a marine and is deploying this week. Being a military family, we've discovered that life carries on while he is away. It has to. Life is a whole lot easier for us with him at home (as it is for him), but he has made a commitment to Corps and country, so he will go. Our DDs, ages 4 and 6, understand that he is leaving for a little while and accept it. That is a great sacrafice for little girls to make. A promise of WDW when school gets out helps to ease the passing of time, gives us something positive to focus on. My deepest desire is that DH will be home in time to join us, but I will make the ressie, and go with the kids either way. If he is not home yet, then he will receive a ton of photos and postcards. Will he feel left out? Probably, but no more so than when duty called him away and he was overseas and unable to be present for the birth of our first daughter. Will he be resentful? Not in the least. His greatest wish is for us to be safe and happy while he is away. And he knows that if he does miss this trip, then that gives us an excuse to plan another the minute he gets home.

ErinC
02-10-2003, 11:50 AM
We are planning a Dec 2003 trip. At this point I can't see cancelling especially since we drive.

lacool: your post brought tears to my eyes. As a mother of DD's 6 & 3 and another due in 4 weeks, I can't even imagine DH not being here for us right now. ( of course I'm a little emotional these days) You are very brave, and my thoughts and prayers are with your family. I hope that you can maintain your positive attitude, and that your family will be together again as soon as possible. Best Wishes, Erin

kgforce
02-10-2003, 12:15 PM
We have reservations for mid-December 2003 and a "war" with Iraq won't stop us!

Let's face it -- the actual war is not going to take very long. The occupation and setting up a new government once Saddam achieves room temperature will definitely take a while.

Troops will be in the Middle East for years, but simply to keep things stable and to allow time for them to set up a democratic government.

Our hope is that my brother (US Army Capt.) will be back in time to join us in December!

poohbear1029
02-10-2003, 12:40 PM
Kirk - thanks for the well wishes for DH - he is in a non-deployable unit and next year will be an ROTC instructor at a local university, so I dont complain. Most would probably happen is he would be restricted from leave, but not deployed. I dont complain, many of our USAF friends are deployable, pilots etc. We think of them at this time.

In regards to enjoying oneself while others are defending our country. Just think about the what ifs...they say a man on his deathbed will never wish he spent more time at work, but rather that he spent more time with his family. If a vacation gives you that extra time with your family, take it, as long as you feel safe. We never know what tomorrow brings, war or not.

Brikate
02-10-2003, 02:05 PM
We're leaving late next week - driving down as we couldn't get cheap airfare (for 7) at the last minute. (myself, DD's 14 & 12 and DD who's DH is just out of the Marines, but now is Nat'l Guard full-time and my 3 DG babies)

We are going again in December with the whole family (and hopefully including our Airman DS) and as long as the doors are open, we'll be there. We are planning to fly (no tickets yet), but will drive if need be.

yesdisneyfool
02-10-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by poohbear1029
...they say a man on his deathbed will never wish he spent more time at work, but rather that he spent more time with his family. If a vacation gives you that extra time with your family, take it, as long as you feel safe. We never know what tomorrow brings, war or not.

This is our thinking. DD is not coming this trip due to High School Softball games but will be with us 11/2003. If war does break, she will be with us on this trip. Our hearts and prayers go out to all the servicemen and women and their families who keep us safe.

Maistre Gracey
02-10-2003, 02:28 PM
No Iraqi, North Korean, Al Quida (sp?) terrorist, or anyone else will ever stop me from enjoying a vacation. If they do, then they have won.

I understand the exception for those who have family in our military. I understand that it would be hard to enjoy a WDW vacation while a family member is away fighting for us. Those people should be proud to have family members who will lay their lives on the line so the rest of us can enjoy our freedom.

Dreamfinder2
02-10-2003, 02:40 PM
Lacool, your post really resonated with me, because our son, at the ripe old age of 19, is a Marine currently stationed at Camp Lejeune and is facing deployment on his first "float" in a short time.

With all due respects, and with my constant advice to my fellow posters to "follow your hearts", I'd be showing disrespect to my son and what he's being called on to do by NOT continuing with the plans we've made. How better to honor him and his values of honor, courage, and commitment than to continue life in the knowledge that he and his brothers and sisters in arms are doing all they can do to protect the very privilege we have of going to WDW in the first place?

If it sounds like I'm proud of my son, then, well, I stand accused. I will not allow the threat of wicked men to script my life. We'll be prudent, but we won't be cowed.

In the dark watches of the night, I know we're being protected with all the due dilligence possible. We'll go to Disney, and we will not fear.

Semper Fidelis.

DoeWDW
02-10-2003, 02:40 PM
We'll be there this summer!

Our family time on vacation is very important to us. In addition, we've been to WDW so often that it feels like a second home. If I had a trip planned to somewhere that I'd never visited before, I might reconsider.

Going back to WDW is like going to our second home.

Allan
02-10-2003, 03:07 PM
Dreamfinder2,

I know how you feel. Our 19 year old son will be in a "combat zone" by the end of the week. Out of respect for him, it will be life as usual at our house.

geffric
02-10-2003, 04:16 PM
:Pinkbounc

We are going for 1 week for Spring Break and then 2 weeks in August.... No change for us.

Pray for peace:cool:

Melrosgirl
02-10-2003, 05:03 PM
I'm still going in May. I arrived to WDW on 9/15/01 - I was actually en route to WDW on 9/11 but our plane had to turn around. It was a tough decision, but we decided that we still needed to go and show terrorists that American life does go on. If something happens shortly before our trip again, I'll know I have the worst timing in the world, but we will most likely still go.

antnee
02-10-2003, 05:57 PM
Nope I would go no matter what

Firehouse West
02-10-2003, 08:53 PM
My family and I will be in WDW at the end of May and the first week of June. Since my husband and I are both firefighters, it will depend upon whether the state of Illinois gets upgraded in alert. If so, we will then work 24 hours on and 24 hours off. If our county gets upgraded, then there are no days off. If an upgrade in alert does happen, then all vacation leave will be cancelled and my husband and I won't be able to travel. In that case, hopefully mymother and mother in law will be able to take our DS5 and DD3 to Disney World for us. Both my husbands and my grandfather were in WWII and out of respect for them and the men and women in the military protecting and serving our country, we will not let a few "bad apples" spoil my children's vacation.

To those of you in the military and family of the service men and women, thank you from the bottom of our hearts and you are always in our prayers!

Robin

HookdonWDW
02-10-2003, 08:59 PM
DH is in the Army, so we might have to cancel if leaves were cancelled. Fortunately, DVC already has a plan in place for this - when I called for ressies last week, the CM at MS told me that if we had to change/cancel our ressies because dh is called up, they will reinstate or bank our points with no penalties.

This is just another reason why we're glad we joined DVC, and of why this seems like "family" !!:D :D

CaptainMidnight
02-10-2003, 09:26 PM
It is with great admiration and respect that I read posts on this thread of DVC families talking about thier members going overseas to protect our way of life. The dedication to country reminded me of a speach I read that I thought might be worth sharing.

It is the Commencement speech given by Seaman Anthony McCarty at graduation of Class 90, US Navy Information Specialist "A" School on 31 may 2002.

__________________________________________________ _______________________
"Today I was asked to speak to you all, as a representative of class 90.
I was asked to speak on our reasons for joining, our inspiration, our spirit, and any wisdom we've picked up along the way. These are all heart-felt subjects, full of emotion for all of us. Bear with me if I get a little corny.

I believe we all joined for our own reasons. After all, we came into the
Navy as individuals. Whether it be because of money for college,
patriotism, family tradition, need to prove oneself, or that Wendy's
wasn't hiring, we all came into the service with our own hopes and dreams and desires. For whatever reasons we had, we all made the same decision, heard the same promises from our recruiter, signed on the same dotted line, and took the same oath. From that moment on, we were united by that choice, the choice to leave our friends, family and lives, and literally
sail off to distant shores.

Joining when I did, I'm always asked if September 11th was the reason I
joined the Navy. For more than a few of the sailors in the audience, I'm
sure it was the reason. It was hard not to look at the scenes on TV and
not want to do something, anything, to stop the things we all saw from
ever happening again. I had already joined by then, I was in DEP (Delayed
Entry Program) at the time. I was staring at the TV, and it slowly dawned
on me that what I was seeing was what I would be up against for the next four years of my life. I realized that I would, more than likely, be going
up against the people who did this.

Staring at the scene of the airliners ramming into the World Trade Center
again and again, I felt like a kid who had been called out on a dare. I
realized I would be responsible to stop things like this from happening
again.

More than anything else here today, I hope that you grasp the fact that
you matter. One day, or even everyday, you will be asked to make decisions that will change the world in some way. You will be asked to make a
difference in someone's life, or the world in general. If you do a good
job, then good things will happen. Do a bad job, and someone, somewhere,
will pay for it.

Here at IS "A" School, we've heard time and again that we are at war. But
it's a war unlike anything the Navy has fought before. It's not a war at
sea, they have no Navy, and we have the greatest fleet that's ever been
afloat.

It's not a war in the air, they have no air force, and we would fly circles around them even if they did. It's not a war on the land, they have no standing army as such, and when we do meet them on the ground, it's a matter of how few causalities we might take, not a matter of if we will win. This is a war fought in the caves of third world countries, in the streets of our major cities, in the communications in the airwaves, in the depths of the internet, in quiet nighttime covert operations, and on the screens of CNN. The only way they can beat us is by being smarter than us, trickier than us, by coming up with something we hadn't thought of, or hadn't prepared for. The only way they can beat us is by having better intelligence than us. In short, as the newest members of the Intelligence Community, the war is ours to win or lose.

Instead of running from this responsibility, I hope you embrace it. In the civilian world people do
astounding things to prove to themselves that they matter, that the
choices they make affect the
world. They do almost anything to feel excitement and be challenged. They
go to movies, they ride roller coasters, they abuse alcohol, they marry someone they shouldn't,
they climb mountains, they join motorcycle clubs, and do anything at all
to feel like their life has consequences and excitement in it. I think it
would amaze most IS " A" students to find out how many people truly do
envy you.

You're young, you're intelligent, you're in a war with a horrible enemy that needs to be stopped, and you're in a position to truly affect that conflict. You have the love and thanks of a grateful country. You have a job that can lead you to anywhere on Earth, doing anything. You have all the elements of a great story in your life. Without taking away from the seriousness of what you do, or ! sounding like a recruiting commercial, you truly have the chance to live an adventure, if you choose to look for it.

By far the greatest challenge in writing this speech was trying to define
the spirit I've seen in both my class, IS "A" School, and the Navy as a whole. I've meet so many people who give of themselves selflessly and seemingly on instinct. One person in particular I would like to thank is Chief Jordan, on behalf of all the BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition / School) candidates.

This is a man who wakes up every morning at 0330, Monday through Friday, and leads us in two hours of intense PT (Physical Training). He does this for no other reason than he doesn't want a group of young men to give their all and fail. But he is by no means the only person I've seen give
themselves in small acts of heroism everyday.

I've seen the staff and instructors teach their trade with patience,
humor, and devotion. I've seen in it in my classmates and shipmates. It's
humbling to look around you and see so many people who give of themselves. It makes you want to try harder to be a better person, just to fit in.

I realize I don't have the words to grasp the spirit I've met in many of
the people here at IS "A" School. There are some Eastern philosophies that
teach that some ideas are too big for words, that we should never try to
explain some truths, because one is doomed to never to be able to do them
justice. All you do is demean it, turn it into some little sound bite. I
feel that applies here. I'm not that poetic, I don't have the words. So,
like any good IS with nothing to say, I plagiarized. There's one quote I
have kept with me since I joined the Navy. Months before I left for Boot
camp, I had the chance to go to Coronado, CA and tour the BUD//S facility. My recruiter was a SEAL and a BUD/S instructor, and he pulled some strings for me. There is a T-shirt shop in Coronado, one that sells shirts to all
the graduating members of various BUD/S classes. Each class has their own T-shirt design, and there is a book filled with all the patterns of the

T-shirts, some of them going back decades. Most of them were Hoo-yah macho stuff, or funny little witticisms, but there was one that stood out in my
mind. I memorized it, and put up in my locker at BUD/S.

It came the closest to capturing for me what it is to be in the Navy, and
to do the job all of us in IS "A" School will start to do. On the back of
the T-shirt was a silhouette of a lone man, holding a rifle, standing
watch on a hill. Above him was a small quote, and these are the words I'll
leave you with. It was quote from the Bible, Isaiah 6:8: "And I heard the
voice of the Lord say, "Whom shall I send, and whom will go for us?" Then I said, "Here I am. Send Me"."


______________________________
God bless all our DVC family members who are protecting and serving us, our prayers are with you for your speedy and safe return.

SimbaNoodle
02-10-2003, 09:35 PM
I had a reservation to celebrate my anniversary at OKW on September 12, 2001. Needless to say, we didn't make it. I rescheduled and went 5 weeks later with wife and kids. There was the threat of war then, but we had a great trip anyway.

It has always been my experience that when you begin to make changes to prevent something, that's when you walk right into it.

God willing, we will be at OKW less than 3 weeks from now and I can't wait.

Have a great Disney Day. :p :p :p

dianeschlicht
02-10-2003, 10:33 PM
We were at OKW in January of 2003, and our next trip is scheduled for August. Yes, we will be there unless the airline shuts down or Disney does!!!

sumessefui
02-11-2003, 08:00 AM
We are planning to go to HHI at the end of March, but that may change if my brother-in -law gets called to active duty before then. He has been activated several times since 9/11 so we will just have to wait and see what happens.

CaptainMidnight
02-19-2003, 05:32 AM
In light of the poll, I read a great piece the showed the impact of weapons we fear as being more one of panic than the actual potential for harm. I though this might help relieve peoples anxiety about travel to a DVC resort if it were due to fear from terrorist acts. It is very long, you may not want to read it due to the length.

A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear, Chemical and Biological
Attacks by SFC Red Thomas (Ret), Armor Master Gunner, Mesa, AZ
is at:
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331639

"Since the media has decided to scare everyone with predictions of chemical, biological, or nuclear warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and keep things in their proper perspective. I am a retired military weapons, munitions, and training expert....."
(continued at the link above)
http://disboards.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331639

imgoingtodisney
02-19-2003, 07:13 AM
We WILL be on the MAGIC cruise this Nov!!

As the movie thread said on the cruise board "there is no way Bin Laden is stopping imgoingtodisney's cruise!"

MACDADDY
02-19-2003, 08:19 AM
... two trips to WDW this year and only hope one of these trips coincides with the victory parade down Main Street after our boys and girls kick the butt of that camel jockey.

StephenKay
02-19-2003, 05:29 PM
Hi Everyone,

I am on 48hours notice to go, and will be gone by the weekend to the Gulf. I have been before during 9/11 and will be away for 6 months and 1 day. We have reservations at VWL on 7/20 and the Cruise line but what will I do??????

I could be dead !, Because I am British and do not travel on "orders" like our brothers in arms from the US military. DVC are querying cancelations and holding and other options. We don't know what to do but any advice would be of help.

Do you know what every terrorist wants to see, It is the parks empty!!!! Do your patriotic duty and go on vacation or give in to the terrorists.

CaptainMidnight
02-20-2003, 06:12 AM
There's a good website for folks who would like to be prepared I saw on CNN last night. It may help you decide what to bring on your DVC vacation to be prepared for contingencies.
http://www.ready.gov/

madcoco
02-20-2003, 05:21 PM
In light of the poll, I read a great piece the showed the impact of weapons we fear as being more one of panic than the actual potential for harm. I though this might help relieve peoples anxiety about travel to a DVC resort if it were due to fear from terrorist acts. It is very long, you may not want to read it due to the length.CaptainMidnight thanks for the links.

Ms. WDW
02-22-2003, 07:35 AM
If it were my decision alone I'd be there as long as the doors to WDW were open. However DH has a different opinion. He's extreemly protective of his family (which is a good thing ;)) and he would most likely try and get me to cancel.

This happened to us after 9/11 and not only was I very upset with him but it saddened me tremendously that I couldn't make my planned trip. Plus I had booked the trip with borrowed points!!! So they couldn't go back into our account!! But I was able to use 90% of them before they expired.