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Annie Michelle
11-05-2012, 06:35 PM
We just returned from Disney World and took a trip over to see Fort Wilderness with my parents. I'm sure there will be "hate" for this, but does anyone miss the good old days at the campground? We began camping there in 1980 and went were lucky enough to drive from PA for a week or so every year. Since my parents have gotten older and cannot take the drive, we have switched to the resorts, but our hearts have always remained at the Fort.

Every trip we still go over to eat, shop, campfire or just walk around and wish we were staying there again. I have to say this year we all said there is no way we would want to stay anymore. The place is zoo. The golf cart thing is out of hand. They are everywhere with some crazy drivers. I didn't see one person on a bike. It was all kids zooming around on carts.

I miss the days when you walked or rode a bike. I miss the make your own pizza at Trails End. I miss the days when then only time you saw "outsiders" was when the Hoppdee Do was having it's show. I miss the variety animals in the petting zoo. I miss River Country. I miss not having to fight for a parking spot or a seat in a rocking chair. I miss the Chip, Dale, Boone and Crockett buses. Miss the days when you could arrive to the campfire when it was about to start and still have a seat. I miss the days there was a meadow around the Meadows Trading Post and not more campsites. I miss the days the brush was so thick between the sites, you couldn't even see another camper. I miss it when the sites were only $35 a night. I miss the days there weren't barking dogs everywhere. I miss the days when there didn't have to be a traffic director at the Settlement intersection.

I'm sure there are positive changes, but from a long time camper, the Fort has lost it's appeal. I dreamed about taking my grandkids there someday, but it probably won't ever happen.

shinysparklybubbles
11-05-2012, 08:53 PM
I miss the Chip, Dale, Boone and Crockett buses.

I agree with that.

retired and happy
11-05-2012, 08:56 PM
We have gone to the Fort for about 15 years in a row with our special needs children, plus a few scattered trips before that. Yes, there have been changes. Some are not for the better. We miss the petting zoo and the kids on golf carts needs to be STOPPED along with most of the outsiders. We never made our own pizza or went to River Country, so not missing those. We still go to the campfire and have noticed a huge increase in crowds. We also miss the lower prices, but hasn't everything gone up over the years?

I miss being able to drive our GC from the Settlement Trasding Post to the 100 loop, and we miss cutting through from the 1400 loop to the campfire.

Yes, things have changed, but the Fort has not lost its appeal. I'm sure there were things there before we got used to the '80's. There will be other things there in the future. We will be a part of it. We love going there and will continue to spend our Christmas/New years there as long as we can afford to and as long as I can drive the ole MH. We often spend a lot of time at the Fort and don't always go into the parks. Try it again. Accept what is there and enjoy it with your kids and grandkids.

North of Mouse
11-05-2012, 09:06 PM
Everything changes ;) We started going to FW the year after it opened, so we have definitely seen the growth (some good, some not). We probably miss the steam train (large size) the most, that use to go by the campsites and you could catch it. Also, River Country.

The cc was small at first, then added on. Most of the changes do not bother us too much - we still go about once a year sometimes more often.

We have camped in about every type RV there is (except tents, no way for this girl;)), and we have had MH's for the last 8 or more years. Just love camping there. :woohoo:

ChristusG
11-05-2012, 10:24 PM
I do miss a lot of those things! I remember the Boone, Crockett, Chip, and Dale buses from when I was a kid. I really dislike how they took away the meadow in front of the trading post. I don't like how I see young teens driving the golf carts around (although, I fondly remember my dad letting me drive when I was nine....however, he was WITH me). And last week was the first time I've ever seen the Fort Rangers and the traffic director! The Rangers are probably needed though.

I do still like the Fort.....we have a great time there. But there have been some major changes.

becky1960
11-06-2012, 05:16 AM
You are not going back far enough, I miss the Trams and Train, and $ 16.00 a night if I remember right. I agree with other posters that there has been a lot of new changes, but some are good also, its still a great place to go, thats why sometimes it crowded..

91oldkeywest
11-06-2012, 06:19 AM
Could not agree more on the Golf Carts.They have become a danger to walkers and bikers alike.And that is not just kids driving but adults that have no clue after a few to many.I would like to see Disney stop the use of carts but that will not happen as long as they rent them themselves.I also have a problem with the main gate letting anyone in and able to drive all over the CC.This make for a very scary profile letting children play outside MH.We have been camping FW since 1978 with our kids and now enjoy taking grandkids .

John VN
11-06-2012, 08:25 AM
Additional things we miss-the peacocks, Christmas displays with personal touches not the current "let's spend more than everybody else and take up more than our allotted space", the Nature Trail

North of Mouse
11-06-2012, 09:10 AM
Additional things we miss-the peacocks, Christmas displays with personal touches not the current "let's spend more than everybody else and take up more than our allotted space", the Nature Trail

This too :thumbsup2 I had forgotten about the beautiful peacocks :)

Also agree completely about the displays that campers put *infringing* on each neighbor's site - we were there a couple years ago and our neighbor had lights strung on trees up to our MH with large spot lights on ALL night. We didn't complain, but will never take it again - so inconsiderate - will call cs and have it taken care of :headache: We paid big $$'s for our enjoyment and space also.

North of Mouse
11-06-2012, 09:15 AM
Could not agree more on the Golf Carts.They have become a danger to walkers and bikers alike.And that is not just kids driving but adults that have no clue after a few to many.I would like to see Disney stop the use of carts but that will not happen as long as they rent them themselves.I also have a problem with the main gate letting anyone in and able to drive all over the CC.This make for a very scary profile letting children play outside MH.We have been camping FW since 1978 with our kids and now enjoy taking grandkids .

We have noticed this more and more also about the wreckless cart drivers. We are going to start taking cart #'s/tags, time of day, and start complaining. The rules are plain, and SHOULD apply!

As for the main gate letting anyone in just to drive around, did not realize this was happening - this could be a security issue :scared1:

CampingDad
11-06-2012, 12:19 PM
I agree about the golf carts. Sometimes they do get a bit crazy. I am very strict on my golf cart and by no means do we fool around on the golf cart. We bring our golf cart to a lot of campgrounds in IL and WI and the campgrounds out here are a lot more strict than FW. Most of them out here give fines for speeding and kids driving. And I support them for doing that. I think the ranger at FW has kept the chaos down but it's up to responsible parents to change the way it is at FW. My family and I have only been going to FW for 5 years and since the first day we were there we new that we would be coming back every year and we have. I'm sure there was times when FW was less crowded and less hectic. But times change and I hope that Disney continues to let us bring golf carts. I've said this before in other posts maybe FW needs to charge people to bring there own carts. $50 for a years pass is pretty cheap compared to renting. That money could go towards a few more Rangers patrolling and keeping the chaos to a minimum.

SinceDay1
11-06-2012, 06:20 PM
I remember the train, river country, and the trams, but what I miss is the old food truck that use to come around and sale things, such fruits, snacks, and drinks. I have a picture of me with the truck. I have been going to the Fort since the first year and have seen a lot of changes, but will give nothing for all the memories i have of The Fort!

Annie Michelle
11-06-2012, 06:41 PM
I'm glad to hear all the nostalgia. I agree change is just progress sometimes. I just wish it was still sleepy little secret place for campers. It used to seem so far out of the way that I don't think people went there unless they were staying there.

I forgot the train and the peacocks. They used to scare me with those noises they made!. Remember when they parked a display camper down at the Settlement? I was always so excited to go up the steps to look in and dream about upgrading our 1978 Coachman motor home to one of those "deluxe" models. LOL

my3princes
11-06-2012, 06:43 PM
I miss many of the things mentioned, but find it odd that the OP mentioned all the outsiders when he or she said that they were not staying at the Fort, but visit each year. That is exactly how the outsider population grows. Not flaming by any means we've done it ourselves...just sayin:upsidedow

TheRustyScupper
11-06-2012, 09:14 PM
sigh

shinysparklybubbles
11-06-2012, 09:30 PM
What happened to the peacocks? I used to love seeing them!

North of Mouse
11-06-2012, 09:49 PM
What happened to the peacocks? I used to love seeing them!

They have been gone about 15 years. I think they became too noisy and aggressive around the guests, especially children. I think they were moved to the AK.

fanowalt
11-07-2012, 10:03 AM
There are alot of things I miss,Sugar in my Pepsi,Made in America and especially common curtisy and good manners.

North of Mouse
11-07-2012, 01:22 PM
There are alot of things I miss,Sugar in my Pepsi,Made in America and especially common curtisy and good manners.

That goes for *everywhere* - not just FW Campground ;)

Chief Powhatan
11-07-2012, 01:23 PM
I miss the good old days of 2011...

Duzzygirl
11-07-2012, 10:31 PM
There are alot of things I miss,Sugar in my Pepsi,Made in America and especially common curtisy and good manners.
HA! Indeed!



The first and only time I stayed in Fort Wilderness was 1987? I loved it. I was in sixth grade. I hardly remember any golf carts. The only thing I actually remember about them was my brother was 16, had his license, and was completely jacked they wouldn't let him rent one.

I remember it being very slow, casual, quiet, and absolutely wonderful. It was my first Disney trip. Had it not been so fantastic, we may have never wanted to go back.

Disneysince1982
11-30-2012, 06:57 PM
Ohhhhh....I love Fort Wilderness! I miss the entertainment in the Trails End! They use to have someone singing and playing the guitar while you dined. It was alot of fun. Now it just seems like they want to get you in and out as fast as they can.

KristinU
11-30-2012, 07:52 PM
I miss many of the things mentioned, but find it odd that the OP mentioned all the outsiders when he or she said that they were not staying at the Fort, but visit each year. That is exactly how the outsider population grows. Not flaming by any means we've done it ourselves...just sayin:upsidedow

LOL, I was thinking the same thing! ;) We were once outsiders too, bussed over and rented bikes to ride around, had some dinner, and went back to whatever resort we were staying at saying "yeah, let's go there sometime..." And for the record, we've never used a cart - we're bike folks...cheaper and they're always charged up :rotfl:

ChrisinNJ
11-30-2012, 08:06 PM
I miss many of the things mentioned, but find it odd that the OP mentioned all the outsiders when he or she said that they were not staying at the Fort, but visit each year. That is exactly how the outsider population grows. Not flaming by any means we've done it ourselves...just sayin:upsidedow

LOL, I was thinking the same thing! ;) We were once outsiders too, bussed over and rented bikes to ride around, had some dinner, and went back to whatever resort we were staying at saying "yeah, let's go there sometime..." And for the record, we've never used a cart - we're bike folks...cheaper and they're always charged up :rotfl:

We did this just 3 weeks ago. We have been wanting to buy a motor home for a while, and in fact, bought one on that trip :)

Our friends were supposed to be staying at the Fort, but had to cancel due to hurricane Sandy. We intended to visit them to check out the campground, but we visited even though they didn't make it. In fact we visited 3 times, once to check it out, once to rent a sea raycer, and on our last day to rent a pontoon boat. Can't wait to book my first Fort trip!!

TheRustyScupper
11-30-2012, 11:26 PM
1) We missed the first two years, but started in the third year.
2) And, yep, there are things we also miss.
3) Many, already mentioned.

4) We miss
. . . riding real steam trains around FW
. . . tossing peanuts shells on the floor of a much larger Crockett's Tavern
. . . finding or empty rockers on Crockett's porch
. . . seeing bicycles, tricycles and quadcycles instead of golf carts
. . . viewing wide open areas instead of RV parking spaces
. . . hearing much more group singing from sites and cabins *
. . . admiring nice holiday decorations instead of overdone gaudy ones
. . . seeing the "hunting Mickey" park emblem/symbol
. . . buying Fort souvenirs that were made in America and lasted years
. . . walking up to a kiosk and getting eatery ressies for the same night

* We are there the third week of December. (If the world ends on 12/21,
we want to be sipping a brewski and picking a tune at The Fort). If you hear
3-5 guys playing bluegrass and folk tunes by picking banjos, basses, guitars,
y'all stop by an grab a sittin' place in the grass. We will be in a cabin jammin'
at least 2-4 nights that week. Several of us who jam together are camping
that week and bring our "devices".

Tigger1966
12-02-2012, 08:43 AM
What happened to the peacocks? I used to love seeing them!

They were there in 02 when we first took our kids. I was told that they had a problem with them attacking their reflection on some of the mirror like finish on the high end rv's and doing damage.

As for the golf cart I also agree that it has gotten out of hand but I only wish they would get it back under control not get rid of them. As someone who works on my feet all day and then comes to Disney and walks the parks all day it's nice to sit and ride at the fort. I also agree that there are many things that need to step back first of whitch is getting controll of the front gate and over crowding of campsites. Come on people it's a campsite not a parking lot. I dont see how people can find it enjoyable with an RV, golf cart,trailler and a couple of cars all cramed on the site. It's like camping in a Walmart parking lot.

KevinNYC
12-14-2012, 10:37 PM
Our first trip to the Fort was in May of 1975. I guess a lot has changed since then. That was before River Country and we were allowed to swim in the Lake. It was clean then and quite refreshing.
Back then, there was no Discovery Island - it was actually Treasure Island - wow, that was a fun place to walk around. It was set up as a pirate place.
I don't remember golf carts back then but we rode the steam train.
We also loved the Chip and Dale Breakfast Character Buffet at Trails End - that was the best and least expensive character buffet in WDW. I guess things do change in time - but I don't think the change is all from Disney - I am afraid that over time people lose their focus and also their civility. People often seems to forget who we are and have little time to be considerate of our neighbors ( whether at home or over in the next camp site ) Somehow, I do not think kids would have been driving golf carts recklessly in 1975 (if they had carts) - it was just a different time and people acted differently.
I hope everyone has a safe and wonderful Christmas and Holiday Season and remember to pray for the families of those children and adults in that Connecticut school.

North of Mouse
12-15-2012, 09:55 AM
Our first trip to the Fort was in May of 1975. I guess a lot has changed since then. That was before River Country and we were allowed to swim in the Lake. It was clean then and quite refreshing.
Back then, there was no Discovery Island - it was actually Treasure Island - wow, that was a fun place to walk around. It was set up as a pirate place.
I don't remember golf carts back then but we rode the steam train.
We also loved the Chip and Dale Breakfast Character Buffet at Trails End - that was the best and least expensive character buffet in WDW. I guess things do change in time - but I don't think the change is all from Disney - I am afraid that over time people lose their focus and also their civility. People often seems to forget who we are and have little time to be considerate of our neighbors ( whether at home or over in the next camp site ) Somehow, I do not think kids would have been driving golf carts recklessly in 1975 (if they had carts) - it was just a different time and people acted differently.
I hope everyone has a safe and wonderful Christmas and Holiday Season and remember to pray for the families of those children and adults in that Connecticut school.

Oh, sweet memories! Discovery Island was the *only* island there that was not man made! When Treasure Island just didn't *make* it, it closed, and DI was *born* in '76. We used to go there every trip - could get a *double* ticket for that and River Country which was opened about the same time.

We, too, remember being able to swim down on the beach there and our children loved it (could do it even after RC opened). FW has gotten a lot larger since the opening years.

North of Mouse
12-15-2012, 10:07 AM
1) We missed the first two years, but started in the third year.
2) And, yep, there are things we also miss.
3) Many, already mentioned.

4) We miss

. . . admiring nice holiday decorations instead of overdone gaudy ones [/I]

Just there on the 100 loop - I, personally, think all the blown up decorations being *crammed* (as many as possible on one site, with extra spaces in some sites) are so tacky and gaudy. Guess we are in the minority though, as we had to pass through people standing in front of our MH just to get into our *space* ;). What we had to miss (and would have loved to see, after seeing it on youtube) was dave's castle display. Our time was up 1 day before he got his set up and running. :(

WDW1979
12-15-2012, 01:53 PM
4) We miss
. . . riding real steam trains around FW


This may have been posted somewhere on Disboards before, but I found this video "A Trip Aboard the Fort Wilderness Railroad" on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3wshRnX0lY

Video quality is excellent for 1970's amateur film, plus it has sound!

N365PA
12-15-2012, 02:18 PM
I do remember being able to swim in Bay Lake as well as hike the nature trail. The bass back there were so stupid it was almost sinful how many you could catch!

Clint

lodge
12-15-2012, 07:14 PM
Remember the wave machine on the lake? They had to discontinue it due to erosion! No one swims in lakes like that anymore, though.

musket mickey
12-30-2012, 07:21 PM
We also miss River Country as well as the breakfast that they used to have in the Hoop -Dee -Do hall. They used to show cartoons and Donald Duck would come around to the tables dressed up in his coon skin cap. My daughter used to love it; she is now thirty with two children of her own. I wish they would bring that back so that my grand children could enjoy it as my daughter once did.

momto3gr8boys
01-06-2013, 07:42 PM
I miss river country and discovery island too! I have been for HDD and mickey's BYBBQ, but I haven't been in a cabin since 1986. Are they still the same? I bet my kids would enjoy a stay there at some point.

Southern Bell
01-08-2013, 10:47 PM
I remember the train and river country. We really enjoyed river country. Its ashame it can no longer be used. If I understand the water is no longer safe? Someone got sick or something? Any way I really miss the use of the lake and the beach area. I for one don't have interest on sitting on a hot sandy beach without being able to get into the water. Everytime I pass those chairs at the beach area it just seems kind of silly to me! LOL!
I didn't really understand about the outsiders. Just haven't noticed that many stray people hanging around the fort who were not vacationers. LOL! I do know you are allowed to visit the other resorts and use the transportation if you are a Disney guest. We have taken time to do that ourselves for shopping, eating or just viewing what some of the resorts had to offer.
I haven't ever noticed golf carts being a problem either. Maybe we have just been lucky to avoid some of that. To me its nothing out of hand like they are at the beach. So maybe thats why they don't seem so bad to me! LOL! I have never taken or rented a golf cart at the fort but I am sure considering it!
What I don't miss is the old tickets to the theme parks. Choose ABCD. I mean really! That was terrible! LOL! Glad they changed that!
I'm so glad they still have the nice AC bathrooms and they have updated their pool! Now all they need to do is add another one! I mean for what Disney charges and for how many people are in that campground they need at least one more pool at the campground! It wouldn't hurt to have a food court! LOL!