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Wendy&Grumpy
08-10-2012, 12:49 PM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2

smitch425
08-10-2012, 12:52 PM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2

There are a lot of people that don't drink sodas for a variety of reasons. The mugs allow those who want sodas to pay for them, and also allow those who don't want sodas to NOT pay for them.

mariamouse
08-10-2012, 12:54 PM
There are a lot of people that don't drink sodas for a variety of reasons. The mugs allow those who want sodas to pay for them, and also allow those who don't want sodas to NOT pay for them.

Agreed. No one in our family drinks soda, so I would be PO'ed if that was an automatic part of our room bill.

Missytara
08-10-2012, 12:55 PM
I hate soda; plus the fact that it is full of sodium and is not hydrating, especially in the summertime. I would be more than upset to pay an extra 10 bucks a night for unlimited soda.

Also, on cruises, it is a choice, just like the mugs at the resorts. And you have full sailing days on the cruises where you can take full advantage of it.

Wendy&Grumpy
08-10-2012, 12:57 PM
There are a lot of people that don't drink sodas for a variety of reasons. The mugs allow those who want sodas to pay for them, and also allow those who don't want sodas to NOT pay for them.

Maybe so, but they also give those who want drinks without paying for them the opportunity to help themselves.

Which in the long run is causing those of us who do want them to pay more.

And folks who don't drink soda probably still drink coffee, tea, or lemonade.

smitch425
08-10-2012, 01:02 PM
Maybe so, but they also give those who want drinks without paying for them the opportunity to help themselves.
Which in the long run is causing those of us who do want them to pay more.

And folks who don't drink soda probably still drink coffee, tea, or lemonade.

In the past, this was true, but I have been seeing more and more reports of security cracking down on this. Also, I believe that the system that was tested at ASSpo will make a return and be installed property wide at some point. Disney clearly knows it is an issue, but they also know that the best way to go about it is not make it a mandatory purchase. Why should someone be forced to pay for something that they have no intention on using? :confused3 They shouldn't. Fortunately, Disney knows that.

windi622
08-10-2012, 01:11 PM
I completely agree that this would not make sense for those who do not drink pop at all. Also, I can't imagine a way to monitor who is actually a resort guest and has paid as a part of their room reservation. I think that would cause a simliar challenge to what is going on now. Really a shame that there's so much dishonesty that this even has to be an issue. :sad2:

Maggie'sMom
08-10-2012, 01:15 PM
Disney offers the mugs for ~$15 for the entire resort stay. No way would I want my room rate raised $10/night for drinks to be included. Besides, we spend more of our waking hours in the parks than at the resort.

Deb & Bill
08-10-2012, 01:44 PM
For some, the refill locations are far away from where they are staying.

JKMJ441724
08-10-2012, 01:50 PM
I stay DVC and we stock our fridge and pantry.

kerplop
08-10-2012, 01:55 PM
Or people could just buy a refillable mug, if they wanted sodas at their resort?

TheRustyScupper
08-10-2012, 01:56 PM
Interesting, but did you know that Disney DOES NOT pay for fountain drinks?

BigDis
08-10-2012, 01:57 PM
When we stay at Disney we buy some soda and water for under $20 for the week. This suggestion would cost my family of five between $50 and $75.

goofy4tink
08-10-2012, 01:57 PM
Several things would have to change....the soda dispensers would have to be made room key ready. Otherwise, anyone at all could get soda/coffee/lemonade. There are plenty of non-resort guests at various resorts...so what is to prevent them from just moseying up to the fountain and getting themselves a freebie drink?? On a cruise, everyone there has paid to be there.
It really does work better to use the refillable mug system.

There is no way I would be happy with paying an addtl amount of money to stay in a room, in order to get free drinks. I drink mostly water, with an occasional soda and one cup of coffee in the morning. The refillable mug works perfectly for me.

Eliza32
08-10-2012, 01:58 PM
It doesn't pay for the syrup, but still has to pay for the water, the machines, someone to maintain the machines, someone to clean up etc.

Wendy&Grumpy
08-10-2012, 02:07 PM
Disney offers the mugs for ~$15 for the entire resort stay. No way would I want my room rate raised $10/night for drinks to be included. Besides, we spend more of our waking hours in the parks than at the resort.

Oh, no, no! Not per night, just over the course of a stay! I'm sure Disney has some complex formula for figuring out what an added $10 per guest per stay would break down to in terms of room nights!

Several things would have to change....the soda dispensers would have to be made room key ready. Otherwise, anyone at all could get soda/coffee/lemonade. There are plenty of non-resort guests at various resorts...so what is to prevent them from just moseying up to the fountain and getting themselves a freebie drink?? On a cruise, everyone there has paid to be there.
It really does work better to use the refillable mug system.

There is no way I would be happy with paying an addtl amount of money to stay in a room, in order to get free drinks. I drink mostly water, with an occasional soda and one cup of coffee in the morning. The refillable mug works perfectly for me.

The soda dispensers are already available to anyone who wants. Just ask the hundreds of us who have stood waiting with our paid mugs while others fill up whatever they have handy and there's no CM's around.

I'm guessing if Disney did the math and included drinks, those of us who actually pay for our mugs would end up ahead. :thumbsup2

Interesting, but did you know that Disney DOES NOT pay for fountain drinks?

In that case, we should all get free drinks, not just those of us who choose not to pay for them!!!

KittyKat1978
08-10-2012, 02:39 PM
Maybe so, but they also give those who want drinks without paying for them the opportunity to help themselves.

Which in the long run is causing those of us who do want them to pay more.

And folks who don't drink soda probably still drink coffee, tea, or lemonade.

I don't drink soda, coffee, or tea. I do drink lemonade but not the artifical sweetened kind that WDW offers. Therefore I would be paying $10 for nothing. So, that would be a "no" vote for me, sorry.

minnie mum
08-10-2012, 03:06 PM
Completely impractical. How are you going to treat visitors to the resort, then? If your assertions as to the massive numbers of people not paying for sodas at the resort food courts is valid, and was actually impacting WDW's bottom line, it would have been firmly dealt with years ago. So go ahead and buy your refillable mug, and leave those of us who only have one glass or cup per day to pay for what we use. And no more. I have no wish to subsidize your soda addiction.

TDC Nala
08-10-2012, 03:15 PM
I'm not sure what the difference is between adding $15 to a resort stay and offering unlimited drinks, or allowing those who want unlimited drinks to buy a mug for $15 and get them. Concievably a party could purchase one mug and use that for everyone. The only difference would be that with the first situation, everyone is paying, whether they want the drinks or not.

jenlov
08-10-2012, 03:48 PM
I have to agree with the majority here. We only got the mug b/c it came with our free dining. We only used it a handful of times while there, if that (tea, coffee in the morning). We actually never had a meal in the resort food court, so it was of little use to us. We drink only water at home, so there's no way I'd be happy about being forced to pay $10/ person (9 of us) for something we normally would not even use.

Let's face it, Disney's prices are not cheap. On anything. I'm sure they make up for those "free" drinks somewhere in there. Is it right? NO! But, I doubt that it is putting a financial strain on them.

I agree that it's not fair. Maybe there IS a solution out there, but I don't think this is it.

JimS4210
08-10-2012, 03:57 PM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2

Where would this end? Talk about a slippery slope! Why not just add an extra $30 to each room and give us "free" valet parking? Or add $50 and give us "free" continental breakfast?

No thanks, I'll pay for what I use, not subsidize someone else's sugar addiction...

Jim

HHSTigerFan
08-10-2012, 04:06 PM
No thanks, I'll pay for what I use, not subsidize someone else's sugar addiction...

Jim

You are subsidizing other things you don't use as well, just doesn't seem that way because its not itemized..

Wendy&Grumpy
08-10-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm not sure what the difference is between adding $15 to a resort stay and offering unlimited drinks, or allowing those who want unlimited drinks to buy a mug for $15 and get them. Concievably a party could purchase one mug and use that for everyone. The only difference would be that with the first situation, everyone is paying, whether they want the drinks or not.

The difference is that the folks who are now helping themselves to free drinks would be paying - just like those of us who already pay by getting the mugs.

I'm guessing the difference to folks who are already paying would be that they wouldn't be paying as much.

Disney is clearly losing money due to the folks who help themselves without paying, or they wouldn't be trying out options to prevent it.

It just seems they could provide all the "free" drinks one wanted simply by tacking a few dollars per night onto the room rates.

I'd be happy to pay $20 or $30 more per stay and have "free" drinks - that's less than I pay now for 4 mugs. :thumbsup2

smitch425
08-10-2012, 04:44 PM
The difference is that the folks who are now helping themselves to free drinks would be paying - just like those of us who already pay by getting the mugs.

I'm guessing the difference to folks who are already paying would be that they wouldn't be paying as much.

Disney is clearly losing money due to the folks who help themselves without paying, or they wouldn't be trying out options to prevent it.

It just seems they could provide all the "free" drinks one wanted simply by tacking a few dollars per night onto the room rates.

I'd be happy to pay $20 or $30 more per stay and have "free" drinks - that's less than I pay now for 4 mugs. :thumbsup2

Yes, YOU would be happy, but the people who do not use the drink machines wouldn't be. And from your suggestion in your opening post, you would be paying $40-$60 for 4 people, not $20-$30.

Disney is working on a system that will stop the cheaters and still allow those who are not interested to opt out. In my opinion, that is the absolute BEST way to approach the issue.

si-am
08-10-2012, 04:49 PM
I think there are lots of things offered at Disney resorts that people don't use: arcades, fitness centers, even pools for some people. I don't think raising rates and giving everyone a mug would really be much different. Heck, they're going to raise the rates anyway at some point!

I think it's a good idea but also don't believe it will ever happen.

Wendy&Grumpy
08-10-2012, 04:53 PM
Yes, YOU would be happy, but the people who do not use the drink machines wouldn't be. And from your suggestion in your opening post, you would be paying $40-$60 for 4 people, not $20-$30.

Disney is working on a system that will stop the cheaters and still allow those who are not interested to opt out. In my opinion, that is the absolute BEST way to approach the issue.


Question for you (and any others who don't drink soft drinks, coffee, tea, lemonade, etc.) do/would you feel like you are being cheated or subsidizing others on a cruise where beverages are included in the price?

patsal
08-10-2012, 04:53 PM
The difference is that the folks who are now helping themselves to free drinks would be paying - just like those of us who already pay by getting the mugs.

I'm guessing the difference to folks who are already paying would be that they wouldn't be paying as much.

Disney is clearly losing money due to the folks who help themselves without paying, or they wouldn't be trying out options to prevent it.

It just seems they could provide all the "free" drinks one wanted simply by tacking a few dollars per night onto the room rates.

I'd be happy to pay $20 or $30 more per stay and have "free" drinks - that's less than I pay now for 4 mugs. :thumbsup2

That $20 to $30 would be a waste for me as I don't drink soda or Disney "coffee". I buy DD a mug, she does her thing we are all happy, but forcing a beverage user fee onto everyone when the beverages cannot be accessed anywhere but the resort is absurd.

patsal
08-10-2012, 04:55 PM
Question for you (and any others who don't drink soft drinks, coffee, tea, lemonade, etc.) do/would you feel like you are being cheated or subsidizing others on a cruise where beverages are included in the price?

Disney is the only cruise line with free soda. No, to answer your question, all soft drinks in the dining room are free as well as juice and milk so I feel like that is fine.

bumbershoot
08-10-2012, 05:09 PM
And folks who don't drink soda probably still drink coffee, tea, or lemonade.

Nope. Nescafe isn't coffee (I'm with patsal and would have put quotations around coffee for Disney purposes) so I don't drink what they provide, I don't drink their tea, and if they actually made lemonade I'd probably drink it, but their version is pretty much lemon-flavored soda, so no, I don't drink those things.



You are subsidizing other things you don't use as well, just doesn't seem that way because its not itemized..

Yes, of course, it's how we live in a civilized society. Some of our taxes go to pay for roads I will never drive down in my life. I'm good with that. But something like subsidizing soda? Nah. No interest in doing that.




I'd be happy to pay $20 or $30 more per stay and have "free" drinks - that's less than I pay now for 4 mugs. :thumbsup2

It would work for you, because you're already paying for these things. It woudln't work for me. Let's assume you are a vegetarian. You pay for the food you like. Now someone came in and said "everyone steals burgers, let's subsidize burgers". You probably wouldn't like that. It's not something that is useful to you at all. If you have a say, you'll say NO.


Question for you (and any others who don't drink soft drinks, coffee, tea, lemonade, etc.) do/would you feel like you are being cheated or subsidizing others on a cruise where beverages are included in the price?

There are many things on a cruise that I'm not going to partake in, so no, it doesn't bother me. If soda bothered me, I'd be bothered by *lobster* being served "for free". While having lobsters served at all bugs me (longtime vegetarian who has never had lobster in my life b/c it grosses me out beyond belief and did so even while otherwise an omnivore), I don't let the money part of it bug me, because if I did so I'd slowly lose my mind, LOL. Plus, it'll let MIL have a little fun, food-wise, on the 3-night we're doing in Feb. (but it didn't bother me even on RCCL, that our fare was helping give others lobsters)



BUT you're the one that brought up soda, and I get to respond to that, and so I say NO to adding a cost so others get free soda.


And may I recommend not paying so much attention to the vessels that others are using? While I'm waiting to get a water refill in my cup at the drink station, I don't pay one bit of attention to what others are doing in that respect, and I feel my life is pretty good b/c of that. I really recommend it. You are doing what is right, and just be happy with that.

TDC Nala
08-10-2012, 05:14 PM
The difference is that the folks who are now helping themselves to free drinks would be paying - just like those of us who already pay by getting the mugs.



Disney could take care of this by policing the soda fountain. You don't have the proper mug, or a cup from the food court, you're limited to water (by the way, you CAN get water in whatever you choose to get it in). They choose not to do it. Doesn't mean guests should pay for their lack of enforcement. The RFID chip test aside, Disney apparently isn't concerned enough about it to enforce.

And it's not necessary for you to buy four mugs. You can decide to buy only two and trade off, or you can decide to buy none. And the cruise is not a good comparison. The Walt Disney Resort with 24 resort hotels is not comparable to a cruise ship that holds fewer people than two of those hotels.

I know this is just a "I wish everybody had to pay $20, so I wouldn't have to pay $50" but that can be applied to a lot of things we have to decide we want individually. I suppose this adds to the general popularity of totally all-inclusive resorts (which WDW is not - a cruise is closer to all-inclusive but a cruise is a much smaller and more captive audience).

larryz
08-10-2012, 11:25 PM
The RFID chip test aside, Disney apparently isn't concerned enough about it to enforce.I wonder if this will be an option with the new FastPass+ system... unlimited drinks tied to your KTTW/wristband...?

Upatnoon
08-11-2012, 03:34 AM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2
Don't worry, the Disney Imagineers are busy coming up with way to raise prices.

IMGONNABE40!
08-11-2012, 06:51 AM
Interesting, but did you know that Disney DOES NOT pay for fountain drinks?

This. And even if they did, the actual cost of what goes on your cup is mere pennies. I have heard that when buying a fountain drink at a fast food place, the cup is more expensive than the contents. I would also guess that the $15 mug costs about a dollar to manufacture...maybe less. My guess is that Disney makes enough profit on the mugs to subsidize the entire drink service at a resort. The cost involved to pay CM's to police the drink area is likely more than the cost of lost drinks.

goofy4tink
08-11-2012, 08:06 AM
Oh, no, no! Not per night, just over the course of a stay! I'm sure Disney has some complex formula for figuring out what an added $10 per guest per stay would break down to in terms of room nights!



The soda dispensers are already available to anyone who wants. Just ask the hundreds of us who have stood waiting with our paid mugs while others fill up whatever they have handy and there's no CM's around.

I'm guessing if Disney did the math and included drinks, those of us who actually pay for our mugs would end up ahead. :thumbsup2



In that case, we should all get free drinks, not just those of us who choose not to pay for them!!!

Here's the thing...I, too, have stood there, watching someone fill a thermos, or a non-Disney mug/cup at the soda area. And yes, it really irks me. I pay for my mug..why should others get free, what I had to pay for?? I hear ya.
BUT....I don't much care what, if anything, Disney is paying for it's soda. Don't care. It's called profit. I'm sure that Disney isn't paying anywhere close to the $35 per tee shirt it's selling, but we don't expect Disney to sell it at their cost. It's a business. You don't want to pay for what Disney pays little to nothing for?? Fine, don't drink the soda.

I'm sure that at some point, all the soda machines will be RFID enhanced. That will solve a lot of issues. Well, other than the folks that want to gulp down that first cup and then have to wait 5 mins to get another one!!!

I like paying for what I want to buy. I do it on airlines, I do it when booking my WDW stay. I don't want all the little extra things that I'm not going to use. Arcade vouchers? Nope. Free mini-golf? Nope. Just let me pay for what I want to use. I don't want an all inclusive room rate.

Wendy&Grumpy
08-11-2012, 10:28 AM
BUT you're the one that brought up soda, and I get to respond to that, and so I say NO to adding a cost so others get free soda.

The point isn't to add a cost so that others get free soda. It's to ensure that those currently getting free soda are paying for it.


And may I recommend not paying so much attention to the vessels that others are using? While I'm waiting to get a water refill in my cup at the drink station, I don't pay one bit of attention to what others are doing in that respect, and I feel my life is pretty good b/c of that. I really recommend it. You are doing what is right, and just be happy with that.

Personally, I've rarely noticed it. What I do notice is the rants and raves on here about it. ;)

Wendy&Grumpy
08-11-2012, 10:29 AM
And it's not necessary for you to buy four mugs. You can decide to buy only two and trade off, or you can decide to buy none.

Really? Is mug-sharing condoned? I thought the rules were that one mug can be used by one person only?

carrie1626
08-11-2012, 10:37 AM
ANY drink would have to be included to make everyone happy. That's not cost effective.

Soda is NOT a #1 choice for alot of families.

TDC Nala
08-11-2012, 10:49 AM
It's to ensure that those currently getting free soda are paying for it.



It also ensures that the majority who are NOT getting free soda are paying for it.

donaldlovesdaisy
08-11-2012, 11:15 AM
We buy the mugs every trip not for unlimited soda because usually it is filled with un sweet tea and water but because they are fun to have and my kids love to have them. Probably not worth what we spend on them and sharing would probably make financial sense but it is vacation so who cares. I cannot be bothered once I get to WDW killing myself to try and save pennies. I try for the best deals before I leave and once I am there I am done.

1Jackpot
08-11-2012, 12:59 PM
[QUOTE=Wendy&Grumpy;45780754]The soda dispensers are already available to anyone who wants. Just ask the hundreds of us who have stood waiting with our paid mugs while others fill up whatever they have handy and there's no CM's around.QUOTE]

Not everyone is aware of the strict "mug" rules. I always brought my old mugs to use on our trips. Not because I was trying to save money, but it just seemed silly to keep rebuying mugs when my previous ones were in perfectly good shape to use. I had never paid attention and not one CM ever said anything to us when we used our older mugs. I guess I was naive and never really though about it.

Not until I joined this board did I realize how serious the members here took the mugs rules. :rotfl: (even dedicating an entire sticky thread to it!)

tinkerbellybutton
08-11-2012, 02:06 PM
The last thing I want is for Disney to charge another fee/up room costs to cover something we may not even use. As it is we "pay" for Magical Express( I know those fees are rolled into the room rates to cover their expenses to run this program) yet we don't ever fly so we've never use this "perk". I'm sure it's great for those who do fly, but it would be nice if those who don't fly didn't have to pay the same price as those who do use ME.

As for the soda, I think the refillable mug is a better option than what OP is suggesting. This way only those who want to get unlimited sodas can get them and have the mug to take home. Those who don't drink that much soda shouldn't have to pay for something they won't use.

cjsm&d
08-11-2012, 02:42 PM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2

The fountains on the cuiseline I go on only include lemonade, iced tea, tea, and coffee. If you want soda for the trip you had to pay $29.99 and got a mug that had to be refilled at the bars.

I think WDW is handling this just fine IMO. If you want the soda, you pay for the mug. I never assume people are stealing soda at the fountains. If they are, then, oh well.

They boosted the resort prices already this year, and you know they figured the "free WiFi" into it already.

If I had any complaint it's that I wish they offered some better stuff for the kids to drink at the fountains, other than soda.

Bob NC
08-11-2012, 02:46 PM
I just had a thought - why doesn't Disney just increase room rates by $10 - $15 per person and include the drink fountains at the resorts just like they do on the cruises?

That way, everyone would be paying for their own fountain drinks rather than those of us buying mugs or dining plans paying for the drinks for the other non-buyers! :thumbsup2

I wish they'd raise the room rates by $40/day and include free beer for everyone.

Since that works for me, it works for everyone, right?

cjsm&d
08-11-2012, 02:56 PM
I wish they'd raise the room rates by $40/day and include free beer for everyone.

Since that works for me, it works for everyone, right?

I'm just figuring how many beers (at WDW prices) I need to drink each day to make this cost efficient!

:scratchin

jdcthree
08-11-2012, 03:31 PM
Why should someone be forced to pay for something that they have no intention on using? :confused3 They shouldn't. Fortunately, Disney knows that.

The government should take a lesson from Disney...lol!

OP - I wouldn't want drinks as part of my room fee, either.

CanadianGuy
08-11-2012, 03:56 PM
We are basically on refillable mug thread, which is a sticky... So this is closed