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disneyquilter
05-21-2012, 11:15 PM
Hi all,

Just curious to know if anyone else is mortified by the Annual Pass Disney ticket increases? I am an avid premium AP holder for Disneyland and I am speechless at the increase. We may be going to WDW EVERY year for the price they want now, instead of every other year. :cool1::thumbsup2

ImTooExcitedToSleep
05-21-2012, 11:35 PM
I think with Cars Land opening, we all expected a significant increase. 30%+ is bit more than "significant". :faint:

However, if you're doing WDW & DL, the Premier is still a great deal....and only increased 13%. :rotfl2:

We discussed this, of course, on this week's Disneyland Podcast (going up Thursday). There's also a huge thread over on the Disneyland board.

k3chantal
05-21-2012, 11:39 PM
It is mortifying and sad. I use to take quick weekend trips and those 'little' trips are really being priced out of range especially since my two year old will be three soon.

I am all for Disney staying financially healthy but I am think they are cutting off their leg to save their arm.

I am a DVC member and despite my accommodations being taken care of, the tickets are now a MAJOR expense. The cost of tickets use to be inconsequential but between my family growing and getting older (three kids; 12, 9, and two) and the price increases, we probably will go to Disney less often and use our points for larger villas or for the more expensive resorts; if we can get in.

WaltD4Me
05-21-2012, 11:51 PM
Holy Moley, I just skimmed the thread on the DL board...some tickets went up 35%! Woooooooooow. Is that all due to Carsland? One ticket went up $150, that is huge. I will admit, I am not a fan of Carsl, the new land doesn't interest me at all, so maybe I'm missing something. :confused3

Friendly Frog
05-22-2012, 12:17 AM
Too much IMO :scared:, but I guess they will price it to what ever they can get.

Since a large number of their guests are locals, Disney is probably banking on the fact that it will still be less expensive for the locals to pay the increase than to travel to WDW.

ImTooExcitedToSleep
05-22-2012, 12:30 AM
Holy Moley, I just skimmed the thread on the DL board...some tickets went up 35%! Woooooooooow. Is that all due to Carsland? One ticket went up $150, that is huge. I will admit, I am not a fan of Carsl, the new land doesn't interest me at all, so maybe I'm missing something. :confused3

Annual Passes took the brunt of the increases.

Premier from $749 to $849 (+13.3%)
Premium from $499 to $649 (+30.1%)
Deluxe from $379 to $469 (+23.8%)
Southern California from $269 to $329 (+22.3%)
SoCal Select from $199 to $269 (+35.2%)

Non-hopping ticket increases ranged from from 3.6% (5-day) to 8.8% (1-day).
Hoppers increases ranged from 9.0% (5-day) to 19.1% (1-day).

kbelle8995
05-22-2012, 05:02 AM
Don't worry WDW prices will go up as well. It is a high cost but not unexpected. Disney hiking up ticket prices happens as consistently as death. and taxes. With carsland opening as well as the rest of the park, I'm not surprised they raised prices but as much as they did slightly more surprised but not by much

I've been cutting back in other areas like hotels, food and merchandise in order to go to WDW.

Kimberle
05-22-2012, 05:18 AM
I heard that because the CA parks are always so crowded, this may be a way of thinning out the crowd a little bit.:confused3

Cheshire Figment
05-22-2012, 07:24 AM
DLR actually has a lot more Annual Passholders than WDW has.

And also a lot of "free-running" teens who come without their parents. These are the ones who spend almost no money while there and are the ones that they are trying to cut back on. At least at WDW most of the Passholders travel and are getting rooms and meals.

OKW Lover
05-22-2012, 07:33 AM
I heard that because the CA parks are always so crowded, this may be a way of thinning out the crowd a little bit.:confused3

Doesn't sound like a good business model. :confused3

thunderbird1
05-22-2012, 10:18 AM
It's an INSANE increase, especially when you consider that a WDW Premium AP (which includes 4 parks, 2 water parks and DQ) is now only a little more than $40 more (I'm including tax) than a DL Premium AP.

Of course, I'm sure the solution to that problem will simply be to raise WDW AP prices accordingly. And they'll keep doing so until enough people stop going, or cut back enough that it impacts Disney's bottom line. They are a business, after all.

newmouse2008
05-22-2012, 10:28 AM
DLR actually has a lot more Annual Passholders than WDW has.

And also a lot of "free-running" teens who come without their parents. These are the ones who spend almost no money while there and are the ones that they are trying to cut back on. At least at WDW most of the Passholders travel and are getting rooms and meals.

Well, I have a "free running teen" at WDW and if it goes up alot here... she will be thinned from the herd.:sad1:

chalee94
05-22-2012, 10:31 AM
Doesn't sound like a good business model. :confused3

if demand is so high that it damages the experience, how else would you propose to handle the situation?

increasing prices reduces demand. that's the point.

the alternative is increasing supply to meet the additional demand. adding a new park is much tougher.

k5jmh
05-22-2012, 11:54 AM
Well, I have a "free running teen" at WDW and if it goes up alot here... she will be thinned from the herd.:sad1:
...Or producing her own funding.

LilyWDW
05-22-2012, 12:05 PM
Doesn't sound like a good business model. :confused3

Actually in some cases it can be a great business model. Sometimes it is not just about the quantity of customers you have visiting your business, but the quality of customers.

Tink rules
05-22-2012, 03:27 PM
I heard that because the CA parks are always so crowded, this may be a way of thinning out the crowd a little bit.:confused3

I think that's the deal...

At WDW you can't get a Park hopper over 10 days... so the AP is the other choice...

They're going to have to figure something out.

kbelle8995
05-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Well, I have a "free running teen" at WDW and if it goes up alot here... she will be thinned from the herd.:sad1:

Poor Grace. :sad2: Thinned out of the herd. Ah well happens to us all. I scrimped and scrimped and worked at WDW so I could get in free.

Tiny Little Seed
05-22-2012, 10:58 PM
Sadly, I may be thinned from the herd due to this increase. I was shocked at how much my premium AP went up, and I might not renew when the time comes in Dec. It pains me to even think about not having my AP anymore, but there are only so many dollars to go around.

I definitely believe that this is an effort to not only cash in on Carsland, but also reduce the number of APs at DLR. There really are too many. The Sundays when none of the passes are blocked out are crazy crowded.

kbelle8995
05-23-2012, 02:11 AM
Actually in some cases it can be a great business model. Sometimes it is not just about the quantity of customers you have visiting your business, but the quality of customers.

But it does sound a little like "Hey all you wealthy people get in here. The rest get the heck out." Okay that sounds bitter very bitter. Unfortunately as long as guest continue to come pay the amount Disney will keep raising prices.

Luckily at least at WDW they have affordable hotels like Pop Century so you can cut cost. But eventually you will have a lot of people who come once and never come back. Or you will have people limiting their visits. Or limiting what they purchase via bringing food in the park to limiting what they buy in souvenirs. It's already happening.

Joshua_me
05-23-2012, 03:39 AM
Great Googly Moogly ! :eek:

That's one heck of an increase !

Even at DW, the AP costs seem to go up and up with next to NO reward for the "faithful". (And if you're reading this, you probably are, as well...)

Much to my surprise, this will mark our third year without AP's, with very limited visits to the parks. (Except with my Mom over the 4th of July...)

We're much more excited about the new Costa Rica trips being offered by ABD.

Once you've become accustomed to their level of service, there really is NO going back.

Then again, maybe we're just getting older. :tilt:

skilesare
05-23-2012, 09:03 AM
What is the big deal here? The premium went up $250. You have to go 5 days during the year to make it worth it. It used to be that you had to go 3.5 days to make it worth it. If anything it was underpriced before. I'm actually shocked at how cheap it is. I don't live in the area so I'm not in the market for it, but if I had young kids that loved Disney it seem like a great thing to go do.

It is certainly a luxury item for a family of modest means, but if that is your thing it doesn't seem outrageous.

WaltD4Me
05-23-2012, 10:51 AM
Luckily at least at WDW they have affordable hotels like Pop Century so you can cut cost. But eventually you will have a lot of people who come once and never come back. Or you will have people limiting their visits. Or limiting what they purchase via bringing food in the park to limiting what they buy in souvenirs. It's already happening.

This is already the case. They say at WDW 70% of the people there are first time visitors, whereas at DL it is the opposite, 30% are first time visitors. And really what does Disney want? I'm very sure first timers spend alot more money in the parks than AP holders who can pop in whenever they want. I just don't think Disney cares all that much frequent visitors right now. I think it's very short sighted of Disney, but sadly I think the attitude is that the first timers keep coming, so lets price out some AP holders, who needs 'em?

BigGreen73
05-23-2012, 11:03 AM
What is the big deal here? The premium went up $250. You have to go 5 days during the year to make it worth it. It used to be that you had to go 3.5 days to make it worth it. If anything it was underpriced before. I'm actually shocked at how cheap it is. I don't live in the area so I'm not in the market for it, but if I had young kids that loved Disney it seem like a great thing to go do.

It is certainly a luxury item for a family of modest means, but if that is your thing it doesn't seem outrageous.

Have to agree here. Even w/ the increase, it's still a pretty good deal. If I lived in CA or FL or could get to WDW or DL more than maybe once every 1-2 years, I would definitely get an AP. Don't be surprised when it hits $1,000 or more either. With a single day entry to a park closing in on $100, $1,000 in Disney's eyes would be a steal.

donalduck
05-23-2012, 12:47 PM
As long as people keep on paying the high prices then disney is going to keep on going up on the prices. If people stop going to disney then disney will lower the prices. So with that being said most people will complain and complain and complain about the prices but they will keep on going. If you are going to complain about the prices and keep on going then you have no one to blame but your self. Here is a thought. STOP GOING TO DISNEY IF YOU THINK THE PRICES ARE TO HIGH IF YOU DON'T STOP GOING TO DISNEY THEN STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICES GOING UP EVERY YEAR.:thumbsup2

Disney_Mousketeers
05-23-2012, 01:00 PM
I'm sad to say this will be our first year not going to a Disney Park since 2005. They have priced us out of the game. I understand that they have some big things going in this year with all the improvements to DCL, but it's just not worth it anymore.

Our youngest just turned three so that would be 5 annual passes at $3245. We live in Phoenix so Saturdays are a must for us. Even a 2 day no hopper pass would cost us $814 for JUST 2 days! When I can pay $78/ticket for entrace to Universal for the rest of the year and and $83/ticket (adult) and $65/ticket (child) for entrance to SeaWorld the rest of year for a total of $731, why would I pay $814 for 2 days??

Trust me I'm a huge, dorky, geeky Disney fan and would love nothing other than jumping from park, to cruise, to ABD for the rest of my life. At some point common sense wins out and this year we are going to experience everything else SoCal has to offer. We have never been to a non-Disney park, but because of this increase it has opened the door for us to spend money with them instead of Disney.

Oh, and the $20 discount they offer to DVC members (which we are) is a slap in the face compared to the $100 discount for 4 parks in Florida!

WaltD4Me
05-23-2012, 01:10 PM
As long as people keep on paying the high prices then disney is going to keep on going up on the prices. If people stop going to disney then disney will lower the prices. So with that being said most people will complain and complain and complain about the prices but they will keep on going. If you are going to complain about the prices and keep on going then you have no one to blame but your self. Here is a thought. STOP GOING TO DISNEY IF YOU THINK THE PRICES ARE TO HIGH IF YOU DON'T STOP GOING TO DISNEY THEN STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PRICES GOING UP EVERY YEAR.:thumbsup2

I guess I am allowed to complain because I have stopped going to Disney. I cancelled last year's trip and the trip I had planned for May of this year. Thing is, I don't think Disney really cares. I do not believe the STOP GOING IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE is going to work like some people think it will. In fact, in the case of the DL ticket increases, I really think this is part of the goal.

donalduck
05-23-2012, 04:06 PM
If know one goes then they don't make anymore so they would have to lower prices.

I guess I am allowed to complain because I have stopped going to Disney. I cancelled last year's trip and the trip I had planned for May of this year. Thing is, I don't think Disney really cares. I do not believe the STOP GOING IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE is going to work like some people think it will. In fact, in the case of the DL ticket increases, I really think this is part of the goal.

LilyWDW
05-23-2012, 04:10 PM
If know one goes then they don't make anymore so they would have to lower prices.

I think it would take a lot more for the vast majority of people to stop going. Or at least enough for there to be a significant cut in profits due to it that would cause Disney to think about it.

kbelle8995
05-23-2012, 05:06 PM
I think it would take a lot more for the vast majority of people to stop going. Or at least enough for there to be a significant cut in profits due to it that would cause Disney to think about it.

I agree with you

I think that it will take not only the AP holders to drop but the once in a lifetime visitors would have to drop as well.I don't think the AP holders are the only part of the price issue nor are we the only ones fueling it.

I can tell you this when my time came close to renew my AP at WDW I received a letter or an email nearly every month. from the midsummer to November when I received serveral emails telling me not to forget to renew my AP. So I don't know if that is a mixed message or what.

All I can is that it is NOT JUST THE AP PASSHOLDERS causing the ticket price issue.

derekburgan
05-23-2012, 10:56 PM
I'm surprised there is any sort of significant number of people who want to just "screw around" (for lack of a better term) and are willing to pay $200-$300 a year for the right to do it. I was just listening to Rickey Brigante on the ITM podcast and he mentioned the same thing, Disneyland's problem with people having an annual pass, going all the time, but spending no money.

Clearly this is a big issue, but I just can't wrap my head around it. I have an annual pass to Orlando, but one of the things I love about it is the discounts for mercy and food. When I go, or take people there, I'm always eating at the parks or restaurants at CityWalk and buying stuff in the park. I must be in the small minority, but I can't picture going to Universal, Disney, or even Sea World multiple times per year and not buying anything.

WaltD4Me
05-24-2012, 12:18 AM
I'm surprised there is any sort of significant number of people who want to just "screw around" (for lack of a better term) and are willing to pay $200-$300 a year for the right to do it. I was just listening to Rickey Brigante on the ITM podcast and he mentioned the same thing, Disneyland's problem with people having an annual pass, going all the time, but spending no money.

Clearly this is a big issue, but I just can't wrap my head around it. I have an annual pass to Orlando, but one of the things I love about it is the discounts for mercy and food. When I go, or take people there, I'm always eating at the parks or restaurants at CityWalk and buying stuff in the park. I must be in the small minority, but I can't picture going to Universal, Disney, or even Sea World multiple times per year and not buying anything.

I totally agree, I can't imagine going to WDW and not buying anything, but I suppose if I lived in Orlando and went, let's say a couple times a month, yeah, eventually I'd stop buying, how much stuff can you have? I think at DL the majority of AP holders are local, local, close by and they probably do stop by for a few hours and leave without spending anything. I used to have an season pass to Cedar Point and there were times I went and didn't spend a dime.

jeanigor
05-24-2012, 07:18 AM
I am fortunate enough to have purchased the Premium Passport for both coasts this year. Due to runDisney's schedule, it was a better move financially than to buy multiday park hoppers multiple times during the year for each coast.
Unless I have a financial windfall, I do not foresee myself renewing my Premium Passport. I may even let my WDW AP lapse. The overall cost increases for traveling to Disney far outweigh the increases in my salary and discretionary travel budget.
When I took my sister-in-law and her boyfriend this month, their jaws hit the floor when I told them how much their tickets would cost. But she wanted to go and was willing to pony up the money, so even though it is outrageous, it is still a 'once in a lifetime dream' as she put it.
I admit, I am an AP holder who doesn't spend much in the parks. If I eat, its usually a counter service meal. I already have a bazillion Disney knick-knacks (but always seem to find room for more Vinylmation). Nothing screams--"Buy me! Buy me! Buy me!"
But that didn't change from when I was a trip to trip ticket holder. I'm extraordinarily cheap. If I do buy something I most certainly enjoy the discount on merchandise though.

donalduck
05-24-2012, 08:21 AM
You should boycott Disney. I think everyone on this board should boycott disney buy not going unless they lower there prices. If less and less people show up they will lower the prices. Look at the hotel rates. You never have to pay rack room prices anymore because they don't have enough people to fill the rooms so they had to cut the hotel rooms. Sometimes they are cut 40 percent. So I say lets BOYCOTT DISNEY.

PinkBudgie
05-24-2012, 08:38 AM
Fortunately, we were able to buy our DLR APs the day before the price went up. It was a surprising increase but still not enough to make us not go even if we didn't get the old price. It is still a good deal to us. We live 8 hours away so we don't get to pop in for an afternoon after work like many locals. But it is still a good deal for a vacation.

We buy APs in the summer, go once more during the year like Novemeber, then go again the next summer just before the APs expire. We then let them lapse until the following summer. So we get two summer vacations out of one AP. We have never stayed onsite so we can stay a whole week and be just an 8 min walk to the gates for the cost of a few nights at a Disney hotel. And we drive. So, for us DLR is much cheaper than say, a trip to Hawaii or WDW.

If they can charge more and still have people pay it, they will. That's just business. I don't like to pay more, but I understand it.

LilyWDW
05-24-2012, 10:29 AM
You should boycott Disney. I think everyone on this board should boycott disney buy not going unless they lower there prices. If less and less people show up they will lower the prices. Look at the hotel rates. You never have to pay rack room prices anymore because they don't have enough people to fill the rooms so they had to cut the hotel rooms. Sometimes they are cut 40 percent. So I say lets BOYCOTT DISNEY.

No... I will not boycott Disney.

Honestly, they have not out priced me as of yet.

You would have to have a LOT of people stop showing up for them to feel it. More then those who post here. If YOU don't want to go, that is fine.

donalduck
05-24-2012, 12:57 PM
Go read my post from before. I was telling people if they are going to complain about the prices going up and up and up then stop going then you have a right to complain. If your not going to stop going then shut your mouth and pay the price to go and be happy with what your paying for. That's what I was saying

No... I will not boycott Disney.

Honestly, they have not out priced me as of yet.

You would have to have a LOT of people stop showing up for them to feel it. More then those who post here. If YOU don't want to go, that is fine.

WaltD4Me
05-24-2012, 01:21 PM
Go read my post from before. I was telling people if they are going to complain about the prices going up and up and up then stop going then you have a right to complain. If your not going to stop going then shut your mouth and pay the price to go and be happy with what your paying for. That's what I was saying

Donald...nothing wrong with complaining and still going. I love Miracle Whip, I used to be able to get it for $2.50, now it's almost $4.50. I still love it. I still buy it (but not as much) and I complain about how much it's gone up. You can love something and complain about it. This way maybe with the next price hike if everyone does stop going Disney can't say..."What? You didn't like the ticket increases? Why didn't you say something? We had no idea!" ;)

kbelle8995
05-24-2012, 05:26 PM
Donald...nothing wrong with complaining and still going. I love Miracle Whip, I used to be able to get it for $2.50, now it's almost $4.50. I still love it. I still buy it (but not as much) and I complain about how much it's gone up. You can love something and complain about it. This way maybe with the next price hike if everyone does stop going Disney can't say..."What? You didn't like the ticket increases? Why didn't you say something? We had no idea!" ;)

Nicely put. :thumbsup2

BriarRosie
05-24-2012, 08:17 PM
I don't have a problem with the AP increases at Disneyland if it makes the parks less congested. I keep hearing that's it's a real problem out there. It's not as big a problem at WDW, because there are more parks to eat crowds. And the 70/30 ratio I keep hearing between locals and tourists makes it tougher to control crowd levels.

I think the tipping point may have been the One More Disney Day. If you listened to the Disneyland podcast, it was a logistical nightmare if you hadn't gotten to Disneyland early in the day. At WDW, it was much easier for the Magic Kingdom to hold the people. Not only is WDW's park bigger, fewer people probably wanted to do it compared to DLR.

donalduck
05-25-2012, 08:18 AM
yes you are

I guess I am allowed to complain because I have stopped going to Disney. I cancelled last year's trip and the trip I had planned for May of this year. Thing is, I don't think Disney really cares. I do not believe the STOP GOING IF YOU THINK IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE is going to work like some people think it will. In fact, in the case of the DL ticket increases, I really think this is part of the goal.

donalduck
05-25-2012, 08:19 AM
It could do a lot of damage to there theme park toatls. It would put a dent in it.


I think it would take a lot more for the vast majority of people to stop going. Or at least enough for there to be a significant cut in profits due to it that would cause Disney to think about it.

donalduck
05-25-2012, 08:24 AM
No... I will not boycott Disney.

Honestly, they have not out priced me as of yet.

You would have to have a LOT of people stop showing up for them to feel it. More then those who post here. If YOU don't want to go, that is fine.
I was talking about the people on here who disney have priced out. They haven't priced me out either and when they do I will stop going then I can start to complain about the ticket prices. With that being said Like I was saying before if your going to complain about the prices going up then don't come on here complain about it. Because it does know good what's so ever. The only way anything is going to change and the prices go down is for disney to feel it. Meaning people stop going because they have been priced out and can't afford it anymore.

donalduck
05-25-2012, 08:28 AM
Donald...nothing wrong with complaining and still going. I love Miracle Whip, I used to be able to get it for $2.50, now it's almost $4.50. I still love it. I still buy it (but not as much) and I complain about how much it's gone up. You can love something and complain about it. This way maybe with the next price hike if everyone does stop going Disney can't say..."What? You didn't like the ticket increases? Why didn't you say something? We had no idea!" ;)
If your going to complain about the prices going up and still buying disney tickets then that's your own fault. Then you will still keep on buying the tickets and Disney will keep on raising the prices intill they price you out so then you can't go like a lot of people then how would you feel. With the whole miracle whip thing that is because of gas prices are going through the ROOF and the goverment won't take action to lower the prices and so they have to charge more for food. By the way food is a little bit differnet then Disney tickets.

kbelle8995
05-25-2012, 09:07 PM
$650 is a lot of money and almost $500 dollars for a deluxe. It also makes me a tad nervous. I know that a raise for WDW tickets is coming but now how much will it be raised. I'm in a wait and see mode. My pass is still good for now but when it expires who knows. I will look at the price and see if it is worth it to me.

As for the souvenirs I know guests who go to Disney World and do not purchase souvenirs or rarely do. Most of the them state that they simply don't need them or want them. I am not one of these people but I do see where they are coming from. The thin cheap t-shirts for example. (which I have not purchased in years.)

Like Wayne on the podcast I would like to see the research for the ticket raising.

Friendly Frog
05-25-2012, 10:00 PM
I guess it makes a little more sense to me now that I understand that it is the DL annual pass that went up the most. Still sorry to those of you that use that ticket. :wizard:

If the WDW multi-day tickets go up too much I will still go ( if I can afford it) but Disney will get a lot less of my money. I will start staying and eating off site ( I normally do both on site.) so in the end that ticket cost increase will be a revenue loss to their hotel and dinning segments.

disney777
05-25-2012, 11:46 PM
DLR crowds got out of control when they went to the monthly payment plan. I long for the old days when there were actually some nice and quiet days you could spend at the park during the slow season. That all changed when they went to the monthly plan. But with this price increase, my officemate and her family will not be renewing their passes this year. So they just lost 7 premium passes. I get Premier, and it's still cheaper than buying the separate APs on both coasts. That's what I was doing before the Premier came out. I'm hoping for thinner crowds, but it may be a year or more (allowing for some of the Carsland hoopla to die down) before I see the effect.

disneyquilter
05-28-2012, 12:58 PM
DLR crowds got out of control when they went to the monthly payment plan. I long for the old days when there were actually some nice and quiet days you could spend at the park during the slow season. That all changed when they went to the monthly plan. But with this price increase, my officemate and her family will not be renewing their passes this year. So they just lost 7 premium passes. I get Premier, and it's still cheaper than buying the separate APs on both coasts. That's what I was doing before the Premier came out. I'm hoping for thinner crowds, but it may be a year or more (allowing for some of the Carsland hoopla to die down) before I see the effect.

Agreed!! If Disney eliminated the So Cal passes AND the Monthly Payment Plan, you would see a thinning of the masses. Even with the price skyrocketed though, I don't see a thinning of crowds due to that Monthly Payment Plan.

PeterPan09
05-28-2012, 09:15 PM
I totally agree, I can't imagine going to WDW and not buying anything, but I suppose if I lived in Orlando and went, let's say a couple times a month, yeah, eventually I'd stop buying, how much stuff can you have? I think at DL the majority of AP holders are local, local, close by and they probably do stop by for a few hours and leave without spending anything. I used to have an season pass to Cedar Point and there were times I went and didn't spend a dime.

I live here in Orlando and I go often without spending a dime. Most of my trips are for a couple of hours, it's rare that I spend a full day unless I have company in town. I'll be going over for SW weekend and will part with some $ that day, but that's a holiday for me.

However, most of the reason I don't buy is about the drop in quality. I used to buy t-shirts, but the quality of Disney T's has gone so far downhill that I just won't spend the money on them. Frankly, most of the merchandise has become so homogenized that it's not interesting anymore.