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nannyz
05-13-2012, 10:37 AM
I know a lot of people have strong opinions about the two deaths on the Matterhorn, but one of those people was the daughter of a friend and we never believed that she did anything stupid on the ride to cause her death. We will always believe that she fell out of the car.
Anyway, as you can imagine, I have a lot of fear about this ride.
I understand that the new cars have no seat belts, just lap bars.
How are lap bars safer than seat belts?
My little grandson will just be tall enough to ride, but I will be petrified to put him on it if all that holds him in is a lap bar and no one can ride next to him to hold him.
I remember taking my daughter on Big Thunder when she was little and if I had not held on to her for dear life, she would have flown right out the car.
I am hoping that someone can diminish my fears, and I also will be checking back to the boards after the re-opening to see what people think.
Thanks for your help.

HydroGuy
05-13-2012, 11:15 AM
The old seat belts could easily be disconnected by the guest by just reaching over and pulling it off the hook. Lap bars will go down and stay in place and cannot be lifted by guests.

Also, the old arrangement was fun which allowed 2 people to sit in each seat - one in front of the other. But I could see how this would be more dangerous especially for the person sitting in front.

The new bobsleds will have one person per seat and per lap bar.

Altogether it is easy to see how it would be safer with the new design - although not as fun. However, Matterhorn is such a slow ride compared to other coasters I have hard time seeing it dangerous in any way - aside from your friend's daughter experience. It just never builds up enough speed to have anything happen - it was like the seat belts had little value because you were going so slowly. The seat belt approach was more to keep people from leaning out or standing up.

My two cents.

Robin&Marian+2
05-13-2012, 01:09 PM
The old seat belts on the Matterhorn aren't like car seat belts, or the kind they have on Soarin' where you pull it out and click it in. They were basically a strap with holes in it that you hooked onto a metal hook on the opposite side. Very easy to detach even mid-ride. A lap bar fits across your lap snugly.

I know roller coasters can be scary, but in general its really forces that keep you in the car, not the belt or bar. I can't imagine how your daughter would fly out if others don't. But hey, I'm a nervous flyer even though I know it's safe. :)

Pixiafurie
05-13-2012, 01:23 PM
I understand completely your fear of these rides. I was always on the punier side growing up and so i always felt like the seat belts never quite fit right. On my roller coasters I felt I came close to flying right out of my seat! But I strongly believe that Disney does everything they can to ensure the safety of their guests. The Matterhorn may be considered a thrill ride, but I don't find many areas on the ride that really cause too much jarring that could knock someone out of there seat. Lap bars have always made me more comfortable to ride with since you can hang onto them in addition to their ability to hold you into your seat.

Big Thunder is definitely more jarring than Matterhorn, so I would hesitate to use this attraction as a reference to your decision on letting him go on it. I strongly believe you will be safe on this ride, but it is entirely your decision on whether to go on it. You could even discuss your fears with the cast members before riding, if it will ease some doubts. Overall, if you are so uncomfortable with it, there are many other wonders to explore at Disney that can make your day super magical :)

skiingfast
05-13-2012, 02:11 PM
New Matterhorn Bobsleds.....

Will still use seat belts, not lap bars.

HydroGuy
05-13-2012, 03:11 PM
New Matterhorn Bobsleds.....

Will still use seat belts, not lap bars.I am not an expert on this but remember reading "lap bars" multiple times.

Al Lutz is not all-knowing but usually knows way more than I do and said Matterhorn will have lap bars.

http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al040312a.htm


For the first 45 years of Matterhorn’s operation, the requirement was only that a rider must be 3 years of age or older. Then about ten years ago the requirement was changed to 35 inches. But with the locking lap bars and redesigned seats in the new bobsleds, the Matterhorn will have a new height requirement of 42 inches when it opens on June 15th.


I am curious where you are hearing seat belts as that is new to me.

:wizard:

ArchOwl
05-13-2012, 03:39 PM
New Matterhorn Bobsleds.....

Will still use seat belts, not lap bars.

I am also wondering where you heard this. Multiple Disney fan sites are reporting the lap bars instead of seat belts for the Matterhorn and have included pictures.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/02/video-inside-the-matterhorn-bobsleds-refurbishment-reopening-june-15-at-disneyland/

Pics from Blue Sky Cellar on wdwmagic:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=4942361

Huff
05-13-2012, 03:46 PM
I assume your daughters friend was Dolly Young whom was killed in 1984 riding the Matterhorn. Her seat belt was found unbuckled and she was thrown from the car. She was the only one in the car so it was never determined why her belt was not buckled.

The earlier 1964 Matterhorn death was caused by a teen deliberately unbuckling and standing up.

There have been 9 deaths at Disneyland over the decades, some because the person did something dangerous and sometimes ride malfunction.

Deaths include Matterhorn, Carousel of Progress (now innovations), Big Thunder, Sky Tram, Monorail, Rivers of America, Columbia ship and People Mover.

indygirl99
05-13-2012, 03:49 PM
I am also wondering where you heard this. Multiple Disney fan sites are reporting the lap bars instead of seat belts for the Matterhorn and have included pictures.

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2012/02/video-inside-the-matterhorn-bobsleds-refurbishment-reopening-june-15-at-disneyland/

Pics from Blue Sky Cellar on wdwmagic:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?p=4942361

When I look at the pictures I don't see lap bars. I see a bar behind the head at the top of the head part of the seat, but there is no way that can come over the head and down into someones lap.

skiingfast
05-13-2012, 03:53 PM
Simply take a look at the bobsleds, they are many available, there are no lap bars. I have known this since some of the first picture became available because I looked at how the sleds are made.

In later pictures you can also see the seatbelts.

nannyz
05-13-2012, 04:17 PM
Thank you so much for your kind replies. I guess we will have to wait until the ride opens to settle the question about lap bars or seat belts.

Robin&Marian+2
05-13-2012, 05:01 PM
When I look at the pictures I don't see lap bars. I see a bar behind the head at the top of the head part of the seat, but there is no way that can come over the head and down into someones lap.

If you look at the drawing on the wall in the background there do seem to be bars. I don't know one way or the other for sure, but those look like bars and a headrest for each seat. Of course who knows how accurate that is?

ETA: looks like they'll have locking seatbelts according to these pics, not the old loop and hook kind.
http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/135593-new-matterhorn-bobsled-merged-threads.html

Blue32
05-13-2012, 05:45 PM
So... if the information that is out there about there being lap bars instead of seat belts turns out to be just a rumor, what are the chances that the info. about the height requirement going to 42" is also just a rumor? :confused3

DebbieB
05-13-2012, 06:13 PM
If you look at the drawing on the wall in the background there do seem to be bars. I don't know one way or the other for sure, but those look like bars and a headrest for each seat. Of course who knows how accurate that is?

ETA: looks like they'll have locking seatbelts according to these pics, not the old loop and hook kind.
http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/135593-new-matterhorn-bobsled-merged-threads.html

Those pictures were from a prototype from 2010, might not be the end product.

Blue32
05-13-2012, 06:33 PM
Has the height requirement of 42" been officially posted somewhere?

Tommy_B
05-13-2012, 06:59 PM
Has the height requirement of 42" been officially posted somewhere?

It was in the OC Register (http://ocresort.ocregister.com/2012/05/03/matterhorn-getting-most-extensive-rehab-ever/111819/).

It is pretty impossible to leave your sled completely if you are sitting. I've ridden the mountain many times without a seat belt and never came close to leaving the car, not even in the dip where Ms. Young was thrown from the car.

skiingfast
05-13-2012, 07:29 PM
So... if the information that is out there about there being lap bars instead of seat belts turns out to be just a rumor, what are the chances that the info. about the height requirement going to 42" is also just a rumor? :confused3

Has the height requirement of 42" been officially posted somewhere?

It was in the OC Register (http://ocresort.ocregister.com/2012/05/03/matterhorn-getting-most-extensive-rehab-ever/111819/).

It is pretty impossible to leave your sled completely if you are sitting. I've ridden the mountain many times without a seat belt and never came close to leaving the car, not even in the dip where Ms. Young was thrown from the car.

The 42inch ride height was revealed in a comment on the Disney Parks Blog.

HydroGuy
05-13-2012, 08:32 PM
The 42inch ride height was revealed in a comment on the Disney Parks Blog.I guess today is my day for being curious. When the PP asked about the 42 inch being official I did a search a few hours ago for Matterhorn key words on the Disney Parks blog and could not find any mention of the 42 inch requirement in any of the blogs in 2012. I also checked the Matterhorn attraction page and it still says 35 inches.

Maybe I missed it when I looked earlier today. Do you remember which blog item it was mentioned?

I only rememeber seeing 42 inches in Al Lutz's articles.

:wizard:

skiingfast
05-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Maybe I missed it when I looked earlier today. Do you remember which blog item it was mentioned?


I can't, but I remember what happened. Someone asked in the comments about if the ride height would go up. The PR person replied it would increase to 42".

Then other news sites started stating 42" this included Miceage.

DharmaLou
05-13-2012, 08:40 PM
This article states there will be lap bars:

http://www.insidethemagic.net/2011/08/new-matterhorn-bobsleds-vehicles-offer-lap-bars-individual-seats-at-disneyland/

Blue32
05-14-2012, 12:07 AM
I guess today is my day for being curious. When the PP asked about the 42 inch being official I did a search a few hours ago for Matterhorn key words on the Disney Parks blog and could not find any mention of the 42 inch requirement in any of the blogs in 2012. I also checked the Matterhorn attraction page and it still says 35 inches.

Maybe I missed it when I looked earlier today. Do you remember which blog item it was mentioned?

I only rememeber seeing 42 inches in Al Lutz's articles.

:wizard:

I searched thru the archives today too and could not find anything on there including any comments from a PR person. The only places I have seen it are on the Lutz article(also states there will be locking lap bars which very well MAY NOT be true). This leads me to believe(maybe hope is the word) that the change in height requirement JUST MIGHT also be false. :scratchin

jacs1234
05-14-2012, 02:26 AM
Maybe you will be able to sit in the seat behind your grandson and hold onto his shoulders to make you both feel a little safer. I know I felt better with my daughters first ride on the Matterhorn because I could snuggle her so tight.

S. S. Columbia
05-14-2012, 10:56 AM
Today's MP Weekly Update says that the new bobsleds have lap bars.

http://www.mouseplanet.info/gallery/d/140648-2/A+-_.jpg
The new bobsleds, featuring a redesigned seating configuration and lap bars, have been
installed and are being tested. Photo by Bryan Pugh.

http://www.mouseplanet.info/gallery/d/140657-2/8M0C1985_DxO.jpg
A closer look at a Matterhorn sled shows the new seating configuration. Photo by Karl Buiter.

Source: http://www.mouseplanet.com/9974/Disneyland_Resort_Update

A couple of years ago the MP Weekly Update said that the new bobsleds would have seatbelts (link (http://www.mouseplanet.com/9231/Disneyland_Resort_Update)), so even the same source has been giving conflicting information.

Today's MP Weekly Update is not an "official" source, but it certainly shows that there's conflicting information out there about seat belts vs. lapbars.

:earsboy:

Mary Jo
05-14-2012, 11:35 AM
Today's MP Weekly Update says that the new bobsleds have lap bars.



A couple of years ago the MP Weekly Update said that the new bobsleds would have seatbelts (link (http://www.mouseplanet.com/9231/Disneyland_Resort_Update)), so even the same source has been giving conflicting information.

Today's MP Weekly Update is not an "official" source, but it certainly shows that there's conflicting information out there about seat belts vs. lapbars.

:earsboy:

Thank you for including the link. It helps when there are so many speculations out there, so we can see where the information really is coming from rather than general claims. :)

Mommy26
05-14-2012, 03:48 PM
What if they had both?

JackPKing
05-14-2012, 04:35 PM
Today's MP Weekly Update says that the new bobsleds have lap bars.



A couple of years ago the MP Weekly Update said that the new bobsleds would have seatbelts (link (http://www.mouseplanet.com/9231/Disneyland_Resort_Update)), so even the same source has been giving conflicting information.

Today's MP Weekly Update is not an "official" source, but it certainly shows that there's conflicting information out there about seat belts vs. lapbars.

:earsboy:

In the picture above (and a couple others I noticed), you can make out the yellow strap they have on seat belt rides like Indy and Soarin. The one you have to tug on while the CM assures everyones buckled.

MissMichigan
05-14-2012, 06:07 PM
In that picture, I can see where the "yellow tab" could actually be a lap bar. I zoomed in a bit, and it looks like it might be a black bar with a yellow line in the middle. Not saying it is, just saying I see potential for it to be either.

Jacie
05-14-2012, 06:28 PM
That picture, to me, looks like a pelvic bar (smaller than a lapbar and is T shaped- don't know the correct name for it!) and it looks like the yellow pull tab is on it.
That's just my eyes, though.

Blue32
05-14-2012, 06:33 PM
I think that looks like a belt.

HydroGuy
05-14-2012, 06:48 PM
I think it looks just like the old belt-and-hook restraint method... :rolleyes1

S. S. Columbia
05-22-2012, 01:50 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that the new bobsleds will have seat belts, similar to the ones on Soarin', Tower of Terror, Indiana Jones, and Jumpin' Jellyfish.

In the photo of the bobsled below there are clearly no lap bars:

http://micechat.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19604&d=1337180888
Photo credit: Dateline Disneyland


The next photo is the Space Mountain vehicle at WDW in Florida (the lap bar is obvious):

http://i48.tinypic.com/n2ikb5.jpg
Photo by Zachary Fakterowitz (coaster-net.com)

:earsboy:

Jennifer2983
05-22-2012, 02:54 AM
Has the height requirement of 42" been officially posted somewhere?

No, on the the Disneyland website it still says the original height....35 I think?

http://www.myvacationcountdown.com/tickers/g06w4s4ojqonqfxw.png (http://www.myvacationcountdown.com/)

perlster
05-22-2012, 09:17 AM
Today's MP Weekly Update says that the new bobsleds have lap bars.



versus ...

perlster
05-22-2012, 09:19 AM
There seems to be a general consensus that the new bobsleds will have seat belts:


After a careful consideration of all the non-facts, I am able to make this :wizard:definitive prediction: :wizard:

The first person to get sick after riding in the new Matterhorn bobsleds will either be male or female. :rolleyes:

bakerudall
05-22-2012, 10:58 AM
After a careful consideration of all the non-facts, I am able to make this :wizard:definitive prediction: :wizard:

The first person to get sick after riding in the new Matterhorn bobsleds will either be male or female. :rolleyes:

:rotfl2:

Brilliant!

S. S. Columbia
05-22-2012, 10:59 AM
After a careful consideration of all the non-facts...
I didn't make a definitive statement about seat belts. ;) Notice that I didn't comment about the reported changes to the height requirement. ;)

Al Lutz (link (http://miceage.micechat.com/allutz/al040312a.htm)) reported "locking lap bars" and a new height requirement. MP's weekly update (link (http://www.mouseplanet.com/9974/Disneyland_Resort_Update)) reported "lap bars."

There's a thread about this at MC (link (http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/167583-lap-bars-seat-belts-new-matterhorn-bobsleds-rorschach-test.html)).

Here are a couple of the comments from that thread:

"Princess Victoria" commented: "They are most definitely, positively, and certainly seatbelts. I know this as I had a hand in their development."

"serviceelevator" commented: "Belts not Lapbars.. I've had the opportunity to view the sleds up close."

The above comments aren't definitive, but they line up with the photos of the new bobsleds. The photos of the new bobsleds do not show "lap bars."

:earsboy:

bakerudall
05-22-2012, 11:12 AM
Advantage Ski.

:cool2:

tinkermomma
05-22-2012, 11:21 AM
This thread is hilarious. :thumbsup2:

That is all.

Kittyskyfish
05-22-2012, 11:35 AM
Lap bars, shmap bars. I vote for MINI bars...as long as they're free. :laughing:

perlster
05-22-2012, 11:36 AM
Al Lutz reported "locking lap bars"

Are you implying that Hal Nutz could be wrong?

Repent! :hourglass The End is near! :hourglass