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A Mickeyfan
04-07-2012, 08:18 PM
After the debate on me driving in the left lane and reading how some are stating that I cannot do that, maybe a sticky should be posted here for the rules of the road in FL.

1. I know some states have the law where left lanes are only for passing, here in FL, they are not. They can be used but you cannot be going below the speed limit.

2. Another law we have here that not all drivers coming to our State may not be aware of is when your windshield wipers go on (in the rain), so do your headlights! If not, you will get a ticket if stopped by an officer.

3. The other law that should be mentioned it the move over law. When there is a law enforcement with their flashing lights on stopped on the side of the road (or extreme right or left lanes), you must move over to the next lane away from them. If you cannot, you must drop your speed by 20 mph less than the posted limit. If the posted limit is 25, you obviously drop to 20. *** so people, when you see this happening, let the cars in front of you.. don't ride bumper to bumper and not letting them in.. this helps keep our LEO safe..as well as those they are helping on the roads.

4. When you have a yellow light, you are legally not supposed to enter the intersection. If you get stopped by an officer, they can give you a ticket for running a red light.

5. You can make a right on red unless otherwise noted. You must come to a full stop, not a rolling stop.

6. You can make a left on red in some cases..... here is the statue on it.... The driver of a vehicle on a one-way street that intersects another one-way street on which traffic moves to the left shall stop in obedience to a steady red signal, but may then make a left turn into the one-way street, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such left turn as described, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is attached to the traffic control signal device at the intersection.

7. If a pedestrian enters a crosswalk, you must stop for them, failure to do so can result in a fine.

I am sure there are others... but thought I would start with those..

bumbershoot
04-07-2012, 11:12 PM
From the handbook (http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf) online marked for 2012.


5.3 - Defensive Driving
Defensive driving means doing all you can to prevent crashes. As a defensive driver, you will “give” a little. You will change your driving to fit the weather conditions, the way you feel, and the actions of other drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians. Follow these steps to avoid crashes:
1. Look for possible danger. Think about what might happen. If there are children playing by the road, plan what you will do if one runs or rides
into the street.
2. Understand what can be done to prevent a crash....

5.5 - Avoiding Rear-end Collisions
Many crashes happen because one vehicle runs into the back of another one. Here are some things you can do to lower the risk of someone running into the rear of your vehicle.....

• Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). Driving too slowly can be as dangerous as driving too fast.


5.9.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly.


5.12 - Right-of-Way
Who has the right-of-way in Florida? The answer is no one! The law only says who must yield (give up) the right- of-way. Every driver, motorcyclist, moped rider, bicyclist and pedestrian must do everything possible to avoid a crash.


5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing.



I learned to drive in CA, and have driven across country, in SC, NC, VA, and beyond. My brother learned to drive in Miami of all places, and has driven in NC, FL, VA, and CA. What I learned is...you have to be flexible and, as the handbook says, help do whatever it takes to avoid crashes.

My husband likes to think that he can just sit in the left lane. He is wrong. Someday he might be run into or shot while sitting there moseying along, being peeved at the person behind him.

Meanwhile, when HE is the person going a little over the limit in the left lane, he's HATING the person in front of him moseying along.

My husband is putting himself into danger, as were you in your story.

Stay right except to pass, just like the last quote from the FL handbook says.


Apart from maybe the headlight thing (which is hardly an issue with new cars having automatic lights IMO), I can't think of any states that don't have the other laws you mentioned. Right on red, left on red in some cases, pedestrians having the right of way...yep yep yep....


When I'm driving into Seattle, I know that many of the people on the road are just visitors. So I'm especially careful, EVERY time. If I lived in/near Orlando, I would ALWAYS be especially careful. Especially with the horribly lax carseat laws in FL, I'm watching out for everyone, since I don't know if a kid in a car near me is properly (in my state's eyes) restrained and I would hate to be part of something that helped get the kid hurt or worse.

If you can't deal with the fact that there are distracted drivers, or other FL residents who might be dealing with rage, or ARE a FL driver that might be dealing with anger...I would urge you to stay off the highways. It's just not safe.

gmeh1
04-08-2012, 12:37 AM
After the debate on me driving in the left lane and reading how some are stating that I cannot do that, maybe a sticky should be posted here for the rules of the road in FL.

1. I know some states have the law where left lanes are only for passing, here in FL, they are not. They can be used but you cannot be going below the speed limit.

2. Another law we have here that not all drivers coming to our State may not be aware of is when your windshield wipers go on, so do your headlights! If not, you will get a ticket if stopped by an officer.

3. The other law that should be mentioned it the move over law. When there is a law enforcement with their flashing lights on stopped on the side of the road (or extreme right or left lanes), you must move over to the next lane away from them. If you cannot, you must drop your speed by 20 mph less than the posted limit. If the posted limit is 25, you obviously drop to 20. *** so people, when you see this happening, let the cars in front of you.. don't ride bumper to bumper and not letting them in.. this helps keep our LEO safe..as well as those they are helping on the roads.

4. When you have a yellow light, you are legally not supposed to enter the intersection. If you get stopped by an officer, they can give you a ticket for running a red light.

5. You can make a right on red unless otherwise noted. You must come to a full stop, not a rolling stop.

6. You can make a left on red in some cases..... here is the statue on it.... The driver of a vehicle on a one-way street that intersects another one-way street on which traffic moves to the left shall stop in obedience to a steady red signal, but may then make a left turn into the one-way street, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such left turn as described, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is attached to the traffic control signal device at the intersection.

7. If a pedestrian enters a crosswalk, you must stop for them, failure to do so can result in a fine.

I am sure there are others... but thought I would start with those..

It is truly a shame that these laws are not enforced. One of my biggest pet peeves is when it rains, people do NOT put on their lights. Or, the idiot going 40 in the passing lane when the speed limit is 55 or higher. I have driven in many states and I have to say, the drivers in Orlando (natives NOT tourists) are among the worst anywhere. The biggest danger by far is those fools who text while driving. That is totally insane.

Lewisc
04-08-2012, 10:58 AM
It is truly a shame that these laws are not enforced. One of my biggest pet peeves is when it rains, people do NOT put on their lights. Or, the idiot going 40 in the passing lane when the speed limit is 55 or higher. I have driven in many states and I have to say, the drivers in Orlando (natives NOT tourists) are among the worst anywhere. The biggest danger by far is those fools who text while driving. That is totally insane.

Some cars automatically turn on the headlights whenever you use the wipers. People driving a rental car might not realize the difference.

I note point 1 in the OP is wrong. People suggesting a sticky listing the rules of the road should take the time and make sure they get it right.

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 11:27 AM
There will be no sticky regarding this issue. Florida doesn't have outrageous rules of the road...so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to figure hot to drive down there.
Common courtesy people, common courtesy.

Horace Horsecollar
04-08-2012, 11:51 AM
4. When you have a yellow light, you are legally not supposed to enter the intersection. If you get stopped by an officer, they can give you a ticket for running a red light.
I'm sure you are mistaken.

The whole idea of a yellow light is that it's essentially a green light that warns you that it's about to turn red. You're supposed to stop if you can.

Imagine that you're going 45 mph on a suburban arterial road and the light turns yellow 40 feet before you arrive at the intersection. There is no way to stop before the intersection. There is no way an officer would write a ticket for "running a red light" just because you had no choice but to enter the intersection when the light was yellow.

If that were the law, why even have a yellow light?

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 12:02 PM
Yellow, legally by definition, means, slow down, proceed with caution. Red means stop. And I highly doubt it is different in Florida. Of course, I can check with my step-sister...she is pretty 'up' on the rules of the road..at least in Broward County. She's a cop over there!!!

I have also just checked the Florida official site for road rules. I see nothing about windshield wipers and headlights being on. Yes, headlights on between sunset and sunrise, or during rain, smoke or fog. But it surely doesn't mention windshield wipers.
And that whole you can stay in the left lane?? Sort of...the rules say that the left lane is for passing and/or overtaking another vehicle. If not passing you should be in the right lanes.

These are all pretty much the same rules of the road that other states have.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 04:31 PM
From the handbook (http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf) online marked for 2012.




I learned to drive in CA, and have driven across country, in SC, NC, VA, and beyond. My brother learned to drive in Miami of all places, and has driven in NC, FL, VA, and CA. What I learned is...you have to be flexible and, as the handbook says, help do whatever it takes to avoid crashes.

My husband likes to think that he can just sit in the left lane. He is wrong. Someday he might be run into or shot while sitting there moseying along, being peeved at the person behind him.

Meanwhile, when HE is the person going a little over the limit in the left lane, he's HATING the person in front of him moseying along.

My husband is putting himself into danger, as were you in your story.

Stay right except to pass, just like the last quote from the FL handbook says.


Apart from maybe the headlight thing (which is hardly an issue with new cars having automatic lights IMO), I can't think of any states that don't have the other laws you mentioned. Right on red, left on red in some cases, pedestrians having the right of way...yep yep yep....


When I'm driving into Seattle, I know that many of the people on the road are just visitors. So I'm especially careful, EVERY time. If I lived in/near Orlando, I would ALWAYS be especially careful. Especially with the horribly lax carseat laws in FL, I'm watching out for everyone, since I don't know if a kid in a car near me is properly (in my state's eyes) restrained and I would hate to be part of something that helped get the kid hurt or worse.

If you can't deal with the fact that there are distracted drivers, or other FL residents who might be dealing with rage, or ARE a FL driver that might be dealing with anger...I would urge you to stay off the highways. It's just not safe.
I learned to drive in NY, lived there for 31 years before moving to CT, then moving here. Have been here for 20 years...
I hate to break it to you, but it is not a law to drive in the right lane.. read what you have posted.. stay with the flow of traffic.. and if ONE is staying with the flow of traffic and you have an inpatient person who wants to go way above the speed limit, they are putting others in danger. Speeding is against the law. I will NOT get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the limit in the left lane on a 3 lane highway, but someone dying to pass me because they want to go 20 miles over will.. I was going with the flow of traffic.. had I moved over, the tailgater would have either followed me or had to contend with another car tailgating that one.. so .. hmmmm who is wrong? The one going with the flow of traffic or the tailgater.. :confused3 I say tailgater..
:thumbsup2

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 04:43 PM
I learned to drive in NY, lived there for 31 years before moving to CT, then moving here. Have been here for 20 years...
I hate to break it to you, but it is nota the law to drive in the right lane.. read what you have posted.. stay with the flow of traffic.. and if ONE is staying with the flow of traffic and you have an inpatient person who wants to go way above the speed limit, they are putting others in danger. Speeding is against the law. I will NOT get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the limit in the left lane on a 3 lane highway, but someone dying to pass me because they want to go 20 miles over will.. just something you may want to pass along to your husband if he likes to speed along because he thinks he can in the left lane .. I was going with the flow of traffic.. had I moved over, the tailgater would have either followed me or had to contend with another car tailgating that one.. so .. hmmmm who is wrong? The one going with the flow of traffic or the tailgater.. :confused3 I say tailgater..
:thumbsup2
Well, according to the Florida rules of the road, it is up to everyone on the road to do whatever they can do to avoid an accident. So, you seem to think you are doing a speeder a favor by staying in front of him, preventing him from speeding off and getting a ticket. So, if you sit in front of a tailgater, impeding his forward movement, then I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It is not up to you to enforce the speed limit or the rules of the road. And again, I say, how do you know this person may have followed you into the middle lane??? You make an assumption. You may not have had the room you thought you had when you moved into that middle lane, causing the person you moved in front of, some angst.
But, I'm pretty sure you aren't going to take any responsibility here. And giving us the rules of the road, in Florida or any other state, isn't going to help. I'm pretty sure that after about 45 years of driving, in many states, including extensively in Florida, albeit on the east coast, I think I have a pretty firm grasp on the rules of the road.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 04:45 PM
From the handbook (http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf) online marked for 2012.

















I learned to drive in CA, and have driven across country, in SC, NC, VA, and beyond. My brother learned to drive in Miami of all places, and has driven in NC, FL, VA, and CA. What I learned is...you have to be flexible and, as the handbook says, help do whatever it takes to avoid crashes.

My husband likes to think that he can just sit in the left lane. He is wrong. Someday he might be run into or shot while sitting there moseying along, being peeved at the person behind him.

Meanwhile, when HE is the person going a little over the limit in the left lane, he's HATING the person in front of him moseying along.

My husband is putting himself into danger, as were you in your story.

Stay right except to pass, just like the last quote from the FL handbook says.


Apart from maybe the headlight thing (which is hardly an issue with new cars having automatic lights IMO), I can't think of any states that don't have the other laws you mentioned. Right on red, left on red in some cases, pedestrians having the right of way...yep yep yep....


When I'm driving into Seattle, I know that many of the people on the road are just visitors. So I'm especially careful, EVERY time. If I lived in/near Orlando, I would ALWAYS be especially careful. Especially with the horribly lax carseat laws in FL, I'm watching out for everyone, since I don't know if a kid in a car near me is properly (in my state's eyes) restrained and I would hate to be part of something that helped get the kid hurt or worse.

If you can't deal with the fact that there are distracted drivers, or other FL residents who might be dealing with rage, or ARE a FL driver that might be dealing with anger...I would urge you to stay off the highways. It's just not safe.
Now let's put the full portions of what you quoted here..

5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left. ........can you tell me where it says that you cannot drive in the left lane on the interstate? I was on I-4, I means Interstate.. completely legal to be driving in that left lane! Read all of what it states, this is not a 2 lane highway, but an interstate! I know my roads, and know my rules.

5.9.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds.
When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the
posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph...... so if the speed limit is 65 and you are doing 70, you are NOT going too slow....

You may want to take note on this one... seems it is ok to speed for you if you are in the left lane.. but it doesn't say that in the very handbook you quoted from...
5.9 - Speed Limits
Speed causes many crashes. More drivers are convicted of speeding than any other offense. To avoid being fined or involved in a crash, obey
the speed limits. Speed is very important in a collision. If you double the speed of a car, you increase its force of impact four times. If you triple
the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 04:53 PM
For those that think I am crazy or do not know what I am talking about when it comes to the Yellow lights, think again please. I have to admit, when I first moved here I didn't think it was true either, but it is... so you may want to think it over twice when you enter an intersection on a solid yellow light.. .. you can get a ticket if an officer sees you.. I know people that it has happened to! So in other words, once that yellow turns red, and you are in that intersection, you ran the red light.. they don't care that it was yellow when you started.. see what I am saying.. it was your warning that it will immediately turn red. Some yellow lights are very very short! In fact, they have shortened the yellows to get to the reds faster in the last few years in my County. Many have been fighting it stating that it is causing more accidents by stopping short.


http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?m&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.075.html

(b) Steady yellow indication.—
1. Vehicular traffic facing a steady yellow signal is thereby warned that the related green movement is being terminated or that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter when vehicular traffic shall not enter the intersection.

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 04:56 PM
For those that think I am crazy or do not know what I am talking about when it comes to the Yellow lights, think again please. I have to admit, when I first moved here I didn't think it was true either, but it is... so you may want to think it over twice when you enter an intersection on a solid yellow light.. .. you can get a ticket if an officer sees you.. I know people that it has happened to!


http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?m&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.075.html

(b) Steady yellow indication.—
1. Vehicular traffic facing a steady yellow signal is thereby warned that the related green movement is being terminated or that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter when vehicular traffic shall not enter the intersection.

Yup...that's what a yellow light means....that green has been terminated. And that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter traffic shall not enter the intersection. So, it's yellow..you slow down and stop if possible because it's gonna turn red pretty soon and once it's red, you have to stop.

That is true in every state I've driven in....not different at all.

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 05:04 PM
Copied directly from the handbook.

5.3 - Defensive Driving
Defensive driving means doing all you can to prevent crashes. As a defensive driver, you will “give” a little. You will change your driving to fit the
weather conditions, the way you feel, and the actions of other drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians. Follow these steps to avoid crashes:
1. Look for possible danger. Think about what might happen. If there are children playing by the road, plan what you will do if one runs or rides
into the street.
2. Understand what can be done to prevent a crash. See the defensive driving tips which follow and the Handling Emergencies section later in
this chapter.
3. Act in time. Once you have seen a dangerous situation, act right away to prevent a crash.



And section 6.1.....Yellow
Stop if you can safely do so. The light will soon be red.

Both from the same Florida Drivers Handbook...one would assume that they are giving new drivers the correct info.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 05:09 PM
Well, according to the Florida rules of the road, it is up to everyone on the road to do whatever they can do to avoid an accident. So, you seem to think you are doing a speeder a favor by staying in front of him, preventing him from speeding off and getting a ticket. So, if you sit in front of a tailgater, impeding his forward movement, then I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It is not up to you to enforce the speed limit or the rules of the road. And again, I say, how do you know this person may have followed you into the middle lane??? You make an assumption. You may not have had the room you thought you had when you moved into that middle lane, causing the person you moved in front of, some angst.
But, I'm pretty sure you aren't going to take any responsibility here. And giving us the rules of the road, in Florida or any other state, isn't going to help. I'm pretty sure that after about 45 years of driving, in many states, including extensively in Florida, albeit on the east coast, I think I have a pretty firm grasp on the rules of the road.
I wasn't doing anyone a favor, he followed me into that lane after he felt I cut him off.. he stayed on my tail. he had NO ONE in front of him in the middle lane, he could have stayed there had he wanted to go faster than I was going.. do you not see what I was trying to say, did you read my original thread or are you just reading between lines in this thread...:confused3 I feel like I am beating a dead horse here.. some one felt I cut them off, which I did not, I had ample space when I went from the right lane to the middle lane. Then I proceeded to the left lane knowing that the Disney exist were coming up. I figured I would get out of the way of anyone wanting to get on or off those exits. I stayed with the flow of traffic in the left lane. The car who I went in front of followed me, he was up on my bumper. He remained there until he realized his Disney exist was coming up. Due to the fact he was on my tail in the left lane, he had to cut off others by going over the 3 lanes of traffic since the exit ramp was now coming up for him. Why, I don't know why he felt compelled to do this to me. Did he want to pass me, no.. he did not. He was NOT speeding to pass me. Most who would have wanted to pass would have done so by going into a lane that had no one in there at that point. He was following me, or can you not see what I am saying.. a classic case of road rage..

goofy4tink
04-08-2012, 05:20 PM
I learned to drive in NY, lived there for 31 years before moving to CT, then moving here. Have been here for 20 years...
I hate to break it to you, but it is nota the law to drive in the right lane.. read what you have posted.. stay with the flow of traffic.. and if ONE is staying with the flow of traffic and you have an inpatient person who wants to go way above the speed limit, they are putting others in danger. Speeding is against the law. I will NOT get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the limit in the left lane on a 3 lane highway, but someone dying to pass me because they want to go 20 miles over will.. just something you may want to pass along to your husband if he likes to speed along because he thinks he can in the left lane .. I was going with the flow of traffic.. had I moved over, the tailgater would have either followed me or had to contend with another car tailgating that one.. so .. hmmmm who is wrong? The one going with the flow of traffic or the tailgater.. :confused3 I say tailgater..
:thumbsup2

I wasn't doing anyone a favor, he followed me into that lane after he felt I cut him off.. he stayed on my tail. he had NO ONE in front of him in the middle lane, he could have stayed there had he wanted to go faster than I was going.. do you not see what I was trying to say, did you read my original thread or are you just reading between lines in this thread...:confused3 I feel like I am beating a dead horse here.. some one felt I cut them off, which I did not, I had ample space when I went from the right lane to the middle lane. Then I proceeded to the left lane knowing that the Disney exist were coming up. I figured I would get out of the way of anyone wanting to get on or off those exits. I stayed with the flow of traffic in the left lane. The car who I went in front of followed me, he was up on my bumper. He remained there until he realized his Disney exist was coming up. Due to the fact he was on my tail in the left lane, he had to cut off others by going over the 3 lanes of traffic since the exit ramp was now coming up for him. Why, I don't know why he felt compelled to do this to me. Did he want to pass me, no.. he did not. He was NOT speeding to pass me. Most who would have wanted to pass would have done so by going into a lane that had no one in there at that point. He was following me, or can you not see what I am saying.. a classic case of road rage..
I can see exactly what you're saying. And I bolded the part that makes it seem as if you were doing the other driver a 'favor' by not letting him pass you and hence get a ticket. Also, it says in the part you that you posted...stay to the right except when passing or overtaking another vehicle. So sure, you can drive in the left lane...as long as you are passing or overtaking another vehicle. Not just because you are driving at the speed limit. It is for passing/overtaking. That's what that says.
And the whole 'speed limit' issue??? Yeah, I get that driving 70 in a 60 zone is speeding, but where does it say it's okay for you to take up that left lane simply because you are going 60, the posted speed limit??? Might it make more sense to just move over to allow the speeders to get away from you???

I have to say that in all the times I've driven I-4, I have seldom seen the far left lane moving at the speed limit. So, someone moving at the speed limit is now impeding everyone else's progress. You could have moved over. If I remember your original post correctly, you said that the person tailgating you could have easily moved over since there were no other cars there to prevent his moving over. But he didn't....seemingly just to bug you. Why didn't you move over since you wanted to move at the speed limit??? If the other car followed you over and continued tailgating you, so what???? Just slow down to the speed limit and pay them no mind.
I read that you 'felt' you had plenty of room to move in front of the other car. Perhaps, just perhaps, the other driver felt differently. Who was correct?? Don't know...wasn't there. But, in all reality? It isn't up to us to enforce driving rules. It is up to us to try to prevent accidents and if that means moving over and moving a bit more slowly, so be it.

I doubt you are going to see what we are saying here. You feel you are in the right and the other person was driving like a crazy person. You could have moved over, you chose not to....your decision.

Can we please move on now....at the speed limit???? :car:

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 05:21 PM
Copied directly from the handbook.

5.3 - Defensive Driving
Defensive driving means doing all you can to prevent crashes. As a defensive driver, you will “give” a little. You will change your driving to fit the
weather conditions, the way you feel, and the actions of other drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians. Follow these steps to avoid crashes:
1. Look for possible danger. Think about what might happen. If there are children playing by the road, plan what you will do if one runs or rides
into the street.
2. Understand what can be done to prevent a crash. See the defensive driving tips which follow and the Handling Emergencies section later in
this chapter.
3. Act in time. Once you have seen a dangerous situation, act right away to prevent a crash.



And section 6.1.....Yellow
Stop if you can safely do so. The light will soon be red.

Both from the same Florida Drivers Handbook...one would assume that they are giving new drivers the correct info.
I got mine from the Fl Statues.. I agree, I would hope they are giving the new learners the correct info.. check my link if you think I gave you a bogus link.. the clue word is "immediate" there. I have friends who have gotten tickets for going on it. As I said, in my County, they have shortened some of the yellows and people are upset because they feel it is causing more harm than good. Once that yellow comes either they are speeding up or slamming on their brakes. If the light has a camera attached, they slam on the brakes, if it doesn't, they speed up... I find myself slamming on my brakes if no one is behind me. If there are others behind me, I go thru it and get ready to fight it if they ticket me... :confused3 what else can I do.. you are in a no win situation here.. I agree, and I did not believe it myself.

The best is when you crack your windshield and it is raining.. :eek: My son got a crack in the windshield a few years ago. He was going to get it fixed, the day it happened... he was driving and it started to drizzle. He could not put on the wipers, but it wasn't raining so he figured he was OK. He got pulled over and got a ticket for no wipers on!!!!:headache: yes, no wipers on got him a ticket.. he happened to be at a traffic light next to an officer.. then when the officer saw the windshield was cracked, he gave him one for that.. He explained he was on his way to get it repaired, and it had just happened that day... they did not care. he got the windshield fixed, so that was just the $7 warning fine, but the wipers ticket remained. I cannot speak for Orlando, but my county can be a stickler when it comes to things...
I know someone who was pulled over for 2 miles over the limit in a school zone.. now I am in full agreement, do not speed in school zones.. but how can you tell on your speedometer that you are 2 miles over? I personally always go under what I should in the school zones, but really, how can you tell 2 miles on your speedometer???? mine has a line for the 5 and the 10 markings .. that is it.. no singles :confused:

livndisney
04-08-2012, 05:22 PM
I wasn't doing anyone a favor, he followed me into that lane after he felt I cut him off.. he stayed on my tail. he had NO ONE in front of him in the middle lane, he could have stayed there had he wanted to go faster than I was going.. do you not see what I was trying to say, did you read my original thread or are you just reading between lines in this thread...:confused3 I feel like I am beating a dead horse here.. some one felt I cut them off, which I did not, I had ample space when I went from the right lane to the middle lane. Then I proceeded to the left lane knowing that the Disney exist were coming up. I figured I would get out of the way of anyone wanting to get on or off those exits. I stayed with the flow of traffic in the left lane. The car who I went in front of followed me, he was up on my bumper. He remained there until he realized his Disney exist was coming up. Due to the fact he was on my tail in the left lane, he had to cut off others by going over the 3 lanes of traffic since the exit ramp was now coming up for him. Why, I don't know why he felt compelled to do this to me. Did he want to pass me, no.. he did not. He was NOT speeding to pass me. Most who would have wanted to pass would have done so by going into a lane that had no one in there at that point. He was following me, or can you not see what I am saying.. a classic case of road rage..

I think I understand what you are trying to say. I may even know which stretch of the road you are talking about. I think people who don't drive a lot in Florida "don't get it". (I know I sure didn't when I moved here LOL). Florida driving is its own animal-between the roads(who designed these things), the "lost tourists" and some other "interesting" locals-driving here is crazy!

Don't you just love the ones driving along in the right lane who suddenly realize their exit is on the left and just fly over several lanes of traffic? LOL

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 05:34 PM
I think I understand what you are trying to say. I may even know which stretch of the road you are talking about. I think people who don't drive a lot in Florida "get it". (I know I sure didn't when I moved here LOL). Florida driving is its own animal-between the roads(who designed these things), the "lost tourists" and some other "interesting" locals-driving here is crazy!

Don't you just love the ones driving along in the right lane who suddenly realize their exit is on the left and just fly over several lanes of traffic? LOL

Please!!! :lmao: Where I live is a tourist area too.. Ft Myers area.. and we too get them.. I get those that come and are in the right lane and decide they want to turn left.. and do so right in front of you as you are driving!!! :scared1: and visa versa.. They make their turns from the wrong lanes and think nothing of it. Or better yet, they are out on the roads at 8am going to the beach while I am going to work. They are driving 35 in a 55 & in both left & right lanes. The left lane is not a passing lane only. It is a State Rd, and both lanes are used to drive on. You see them pointing to new things. God help us if they decided to use their cell phones and drive. We get the snowbirds by us. Some of them haul their boats behind their cars which makes them go even slower :headache: You cannot pass them because the boat is huge and you are afraid they are going to make a turn from the wrong lane and ram you.
Then you get those that are in a hurry, they are putting on their make up, drinking their coffee and talking on the phone and passing you at the same time.. :eek: all to stop dead in front of you because they are now behind the car you were just behind :lmao: and they thought it was you going slow :rotfl: Oh the wonders of living in a tourist area.. and they said NY'ers could not drive.. at least we all kept up with the speed limit, we used blinkers and we did not tailgate.. here, it is a free for all. You have people from all over who know their States rules and do what they want here.. :scared:

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 05:39 PM
Some cars automatically turn on the headlights whenever you use the wipers. People driving a rental car might not realize the difference.

I note point 1 in the OP is wrong. People suggesting a sticky listing the rules of the road should take the time and make sure they get it right.

so what rule is wrong? instead of saying OP is wrong let's work together and correct them.. or do you not know the rules of the road.. ;) where was I wrong? It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes on the interstate. It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes as long as they are driving lanes. read up on the laws of the road..
http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20316

livndisney
04-08-2012, 05:41 PM
Please!!! :lmao: Where I live is a tourist area too.. Ft Myers area.. and we too get them.. I get those that come and are in the right lane and decide they want to turn left.. and do so right in front of you as you are driving!!! :scared1: and visa versa.. They make their turns from the wrong lanes and think nothing of it. Or better yet, they are out on the roads at 8am going to the beach while I am going to work. They are driving 35 in a 55 & in both left & right lanes. The left lane is not a passing lane only. It is a State Rd, and both lanes are used to drive on. You see them pointing to new things. God help us if they decided to use their cell phones and drive. We get the snowbirds by us. Some of them haul their boats behind their cars which makes them go even slower :headache: You cannot pass them because the boat is huge and you are afraid they are going to make a turn from the wrong lane and ram you.
Then you get those that are in a hurry, they are putting on their make up, drinking their coffee and talking on the phone and passing you at the same time.. :eek: all to stop dead in front of you because they are now behind the car you were just behind :lmao: and they thought it was you going slow :rotfl: Oh the wonders of living in a tourist area.. and they said NY'ers could not drive.. at least we all kept up with the speed limit, we used blinkers and we did not tailgate.. here, it is a free for all. You have people from all over who know their States rules and do what they want here.. :scared:

Oy-I lived in Ft. Myers for awhile-and drove to Orlando every weekend. The best/worst of both worlds LOL.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 06:01 PM
Oy-I lived in Ft. Myers for awhile-and drove to Orlando every weekend. The best/worst of both worlds LOL.

oh so you know the traffic then.. lol both ends of it.. :rotfl:

NonScents
04-08-2012, 06:02 PM
Often during our "flash monsoon" rain storms, people drive with their emergency flashers on. Please don't, this is dangerous. From the 2012 handbook:
5.26
. . . Four-way emergency flashers should only be used while your vehicle is legally stopped or disabled on the highway or shoulder.

livndisney
04-08-2012, 06:08 PM
Often during our "flash monsoon" rain storms, people drive with their emergency flashers on. Please don't, this is dangerous. From the 2012 handbook:
5.26
. . . Four-way emergency flashers should only be used while your vehicle is legally stopped or disabled on the highway or shoulder.


OMW! That drives me NUTS!!!! Where I come from flashers means "I am pulling over-something is wrong" and then you see people driving for MILES on I-4 with flashers!

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 06:17 PM
what about those that turn their brights on in fog...:scared1: that is the worst thing you can do! Never turn your brights on in fog.. use fog lights.. if you don't have fog lights, still do no use your brights.....

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 06:21 PM
This is not in any rule book per say, but in NY when someone flashed their lights at you in the opposite direction, that meant that police were up ahead. Do that down here in FL and it could end up 2 ways..

You can get a ticket (it is being fought to throw those tickets out)

or...

You can flash the wrong person and they may think it is a "gang" sign.. yep, that is what the word on the streets are down by me..

So a word of caution, don't flash your lights for any reason to on coming traffic.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 06:41 PM
There will be no sticky regarding this issue. Florida doesn't have outrageous rules of the road...so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to figure hot to drive down there.
Common courtesy people, common courtesy.

Some are not aware of the headlights on when wipers are on fact.. if you want to leave out the other items.. I think this should be placed somewhere. I know once I had mentioned this on one of the boards and someone thanked me because they were going during the summer months and did not know it. They were driving and not renting a car. Not all states have this rule. Not everyone stops to think of the various rules of the roads they are driving on when coming down. Maybe a sticky to the effect about double checking the rules of the roads they are traveling on... it could be a plus for travelers.. especially those who are so consumed in the park planning but forgot the getting there planning. Not everyone thinks all aspects out ahead of time.... :goodvibes

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 06:51 PM
Yellow, legally by definition, means, slow down, proceed with caution. Red means stop. And I highly doubt it is different in Florida. Of course, I can check with my step-sister...she is pretty 'up' on the rules of the road..at least in Broward County. She's a cop over there!!!

I have also just checked the Florida official site for road rules. I see nothing about windshield wipers and headlights being on. Yes, headlights on between sunset and sunrise, or during rain, smoke or fog. But it surely doesn't mention windshield wipers.
And that whole you can stay in the left lane?? Sort of...the rules say that the left lane is for passing and/or overtaking another vehicle. If not passing you should be in the right lanes.

These are all pretty much the same rules of the road that other states have.
there is most certainly a law for the headlights. You can call your family up and ask. Any officer can and will tell you that one right off the top of their head! and yes, you are somewhat correct, they are rules pretty much as other states have.. and some others do have this headlight law.. ;)

http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.217.html
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL

View Entire Chapter
316.217 When lighted lamps are required.—
(1) Every vehicle operated upon a highway within this state shall display lighted lamps and illuminating devices as herein respectively required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles, under the following conditions;
(a) At any time from sunset to sunrise including the twilight hours. Twilight hours shall mean the time between sunset and full night or between full night and sunrise.
(b) During any rain, smoke, or fog.


Now if you have your wipers on, it is raining correct.. so when you have your wipers on, you are to have your headlights on.. that is the law.. if it is raining to where you are using your wipers, you must use your headlights. Rule of thumb.. wipers.. headlights.. get it now??? you even stated rain, why else would you be using your wipers on a steady basis.. it isn't meant that you turn them on when you wash your windshield??? Rain = windshield wipers. If you don't have your wipers on in the rain, they will give you a ticket, if you don't have your lights on in the rain they will give you a ticket. simple as that.... so, when you have your wipers on and no lights, that equals a ticket.. do you understand now. They don't have to say you have to use your wipers, most people understand that when it is raining, you use your wipers..:goodvibes

I suggest you talk to your Officer (cop) family member about the rules of the roads here in FL. I admit, I don't know the rules of the road where you live, but I do where I live...:goodvibes and I know I can legally drive in the left lane on the interstate with the flow of traffic and I must use my headlights if I am using my wipers (and I use my wipers when it rains :rotfl:)

I do think the wording of the learners permit book is a bit confusing and not fully explaining laws. They are telling the learner what and what not to do, but not stating what is and what is not legal, get what I am trying to say. Sure, drive to the right as much as you can, expect for passing, but it most certainly is not illegal to drive in the left lane as long as you are going with the flow of traffic. If that were the case, they would not be able to pull you over and ticket you for going to slow in the left lane now would they? In Fl they can do that..

That handbook is a guide, it doesn't state the laws. The laws are in the Fl Statues. I have posted the link several times here. Like I said, check with your family members, or just read the Statues.. :goodvibes :flower3:

LWQuestie
04-08-2012, 07:07 PM
he was driving and it started to drizzle. He could not put on the wipers, but it wasn't raining so he figured he was OK. He got pulled over and got a ticket for no wipers on!!!!:headache: yes, no wipers on got him a ticket..

Drizzle = rain

Rain = windshield wipers. If you don't have your wipers on in the rain, they will give you a ticket, if you don't have your lights on in the rain they will give you a ticket. simple as that.... so, when you have your wipers on and no lights, that equals a ticket.. do you understand now. They don't have to say you have to use your wipers, most people understand that when it is raining, you use your wipers..:goodvibes

It seems that the issue most folks have is the original post was conflating bad/inconsiderate driving near WDW with some sort of entitlement related to people going to WDW.

I see the kind of insane tailgating and generally idiotic driving (including people crossing multiple lanes of traffic to reach exits, usually without signalling) almost every time I drive to or from work. I'm not even talking of downtown driving, just highway from suburb to suburb.

sam_gordon
04-08-2012, 07:11 PM
there is most certainly a law for the headlights. You can call your family up and ask. Any officer can and will tell you that one right off the top of their head! and yes, you are somewhat correct, they are rules pretty much as other states have.. and some others do have this headlight law.. ;)

http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.217.html
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL

View Entire Chapter
316.217 When lighted lamps are required.—
(1) Every vehicle operated upon a highway within this state shall display lighted lamps and illuminating devices as herein respectively required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles, under the following conditions;
(a) At any time from sunset to sunrise including the twilight hours. Twilight hours shall mean the time between sunset and full night or between full night and sunrise.
(b) During any rain, smoke, or fog.


Now if you have your wipers on, it is raining correct.. so when you have your wipers on, you are to have your headlights on.. that is the law.. if it is raining to where you are using your wipers, you must use your headlights. Rule of thumb.. wipers.. headlights.. get it now??? you even stated rain, why else would you be using your wipers on a steady basis.. it isn't meant that you turn them on when you wash your windshield??? Rain = windshield wipers. If you don't have your wipers on in the rain, they will give you a ticket, if you don't have your lights on in the rain they will give you a ticket. simple as that.... so, when you have your wipers on and no lights, that equals a ticket.. do you understand now. They don't have to say you have to use your wipers, most people understand that when it is raining, you use your wipers..:goodvibes
I don't see the part I bolded in your post, but it was exactly the point I was going to bring up. NO. Just because you have your wipers on does NOT mean it's raining. Let's see... using the clean/spray to clean your windshield will turn on your wipers. Mist could mean you turn on your wiper. Oh, what about, after a rain (the rain has stopped), the car in front of you is kicking up spray making you turn your wipers on.

Yes, if it's raining, you turn on your wipers and FL wants you to turn your lights on if it's raining. But that's not what your OP said. Am I arguing semantics? Maybe. But the law *IS* semantics.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 07:11 PM
Drizzle = rain

I know.. he felt he didn't need them.. I agree with you.. he got the ticket... I am not going to argue with you.. :goodvibes but you do agree that drizzle =rain=wipers=headlights.. don't use= get a ticket...for each offense ;) that is my point.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 07:16 PM
I don't see the part I bolded in your post, but it was exactly the point I was going to bring up. NO. Just because you have your wipers on does NOT mean it's raining. Let's see... using the clean/spray to clean your windshield will turn on your wipers. Mist could mean you turn on your wiper. Oh, what about, after a rain (the rain has stopped), the car in front of you is kicking up spray making you turn your wipers on.

Yes, if it's raining, you turn on your wipers and FL wants you to turn your lights on if it's raining. But that's not what your OP said. Am I arguing semantics? Maybe. But the law *IS* semantics.

getting picky on your wording.. rule of thumb.. use your wipers use your headlights.. meaning rain.. not for cleaning your window. I thought that message was related here, I guess not all can comprehend it... sorry.:upsidedow If you are using your wipers to clean your window an officer is not going to pull you over and ticket you. Use your wipers because it is raining and they will if your headlights are not on. Hmmm how do the cars work it when the lights come on automaticly once the wipers are on :lmao: do they come on when you are cleaning your windows too.. seriously????:lmao: I know I am laughing because I can just picture this.. each time you clean your window your lights go on and off.. imagine the car in front of you :rotfl:

I will correct the post and add the word "rain" in to it

sam_gordon
04-08-2012, 07:17 PM
I know.. he felt he didn't need them.. I agree with you.. he got the ticket... I am not going to argue with you.. :goodvibes but you do agree that drizzle =rain=wipers=headlights.. don't use= get a ticket...for each offense ;) that is my point.
Did he get a ticket for not having his headlights on with his wipers or not having the headlights on in the rain? Two different issues.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 07:21 PM
Did he get a ticket for not having his headlights on with his wipers or not having the headlights on in the rain? Two different issues.

he had the lights on.. he could not put the wipers on the window was broken. he also felt he could see. when he told me what happened. I told him he should have just pulled over and waited for the drizzle to stop and then go. He was afraid the window place would be closed if he did that. He hit our mailbox coming into our driveway! He didn't want me to know so he was trying to hurry up and get it fixed.. he was a jerk! he should have just told me, called them to come to the house and none of that would have happened.. but tell that to a 20 year old...

KINGBOBOFTHENORTH
04-08-2012, 07:25 PM
OMW! That drives me NUTS!!!! Where I come from flashers means "I am pulling over-something is wrong" and then you see people driving for MILES on I-4 with flashers!

While technically against the law, we use the emergency flashers while driving during Florida's heavy summer afternoon thunderstorms when it's impossible for you to see the tail lights of the vehicle in front of you without them and the vehicle behind can't see you either without them. It's also very unsafe to pull to the side of the road so this is the only choice we have. I've never heard of anyone being ticketed for it.

As for the earlier discussion about yellow lights, you most definitely can enter an intersection on yellow. And if you're in an intersection when it turns red, you have the right of way to clear that intersection before traffic with green is allowed to proceed.

BobK/Orlando

sam_gordon
04-08-2012, 07:30 PM
I will correct the post and add the word "rain" in to it
The problem is the LAW (which you quoted: http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.217.html) says NOTHING about turning on lights when your wipers are on. Period. Now, that might be how you remember to turn on the lights (wipers = lights), but that is NOT THE LAW, which is what you claimed. If the Florida statue says you must turn on your lights when you turn your wipers on, please provide a link saying so.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 07:32 PM
It is truly a shame that these laws are not enforced. One of my biggest pet peeves is when it rains, people do NOT put on their lights. Or, the idiot going 40 in the passing lane when the speed limit is 55 or higher. I have driven in many states and I have to say, the drivers in Orlando (natives NOT tourists) are among the worst anywhere. The biggest danger by far is those fools who text while driving. That is totally insane.

thank you for understanding each law I stated.. you knew about driving in the left lane, and you understood what using your wipers and headlights meant.. :goodvibes
You are so very correct, it is a shame that not all of these laws are obeyed nor are they enforced. You see some officers right next to someone going way under the speed limit and they simply go around them sometimes. They sometimes see people tailgate and decide to do nothing. Then other times, they sit and await you coming by to catch you in a speed trap (which they are by the International Dr Universal exit, under the overpass frequently, or at least I see them there ;))
Yes, texting and driving.. OMG that is a total total danger to all! I cannot even begin to understand how one can even do that. I don't like to change my CD while driving, I don't like to answer my phone.. never mind texting! I pray that FL passes that law! We need that law here, but then, will they enforce it is another question. By me, they might. They are pretty tight with laws/rules by me. In fact, they just had in the paper, they aren't happy that the amount of tickets being written in the last few years have dropped. They want the officers to step up and start writing them :scared1:

chartle
04-08-2012, 07:59 PM
Yellow, legally by definition, means, slow down, proceed with caution. Red means stop. And I highly doubt it is different in Florida. Of course, I can check with my step-sister...she is pretty 'up' on the rules of the road..at least in Broward County. She's a cop over there!!!

I have also just checked the Florida official site for road rules. I see nothing about windshield wipers and headlights being on. Yes, headlights on between sunset and sunrise, or during rain, smoke or fog. But it surely doesn't mention windshield wipers.
And that whole you can stay in the left lane?? Sort of...the rules say that the left lane is for passing and/or overtaking another vehicle. If not passing you should be in the right lanes.

These are all pretty much the same rules of the road that other states have.

Also for us driving in Fl is only 15% of the trip.

For most people that drive I bet it would also be less than 50%.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 08:12 PM
The problem is the LAW (which you quoted: http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.217.html) says NOTHING about turning on lights when your wipers are on. Period. Now, that might be how you remember to turn on the lights (wipers = lights), but that is NOT THE LAW, which is what you claimed. If the Florida statue says you must turn on your lights when you turn your wipers on, please provide a link saying so.

OK technically you are correct, as far as wording goes. However.. when it rains, what do you do? You turn on your wipers. So when your wipers go on, your lights go on.. if not, you will end up with a ticket. There is a law stating that when it rains, you must use your wipers and one that states you must use your lights, 2 different laws.. rain= wipers + lights
Is there NOT a law that you must turn your lights on in the rain? ;) (rain = wipers)

livndisney
04-08-2012, 08:12 PM
While technically against the law, we use the emergency flashers while driving during Florida's heavy summer afternoon thunderstorms when it's impossible for you to see the tail lights of the vehicle in front of you without them and the vehicle behind can't see you either without them. It's also very unsafe to pull to the side of the road so this is the only choice we have. I've never heard of anyone being ticketed for it.

As for the earlier discussion about yellow lights, you most definitely can enter an intersection on yellow. And if you're in an intersection when it turns red, you have the right of way to clear that intersection before traffic with green is allowed to proceed.

BobK/Orlando

Thanks for clarifing what I said earlier.......

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/402032/jessie-lynne-kerr/2010-09-16/using-flashers-rain-no-no

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100613/NEWS/100619764


Four-way emergency flashers should only be used while your vehicle is legally stopped or disabled on the highway or shoulder.
http://www.stateofflorida.com/Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=212

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 08:31 PM
It doesn't really matter how much of the trip it is, it only takes on traffic violation to be ticketed. :headache: and that can ruin ones trip. Drive through Jacksonville, it starts to pour, put on your wipers but not your headlights.. bam you got a ticket for no lights.. so what, it was only less than 50% of your trip... but that just ruined your trip.. didn't it??????????


I am not trying to be a know it all, I may not have used the correct words (rain/wipers), I assumed others would have realized what I meant, but not all did. I am only trying to help someone avoid a situation that may be unpleasant. If those that seem to think I am wrong, or want to continue to get on me for my wording of my post, so be it. Take it for what it is. If not, I only tried to help. I know the FL State laws of the road.... I am 55 and have been driving for many many many years (let's see, gas was 53 cents a gallon). I am a safe driver, with a clean record. I have never caused an accident (thank God), and do not plan to. Say what you want, I don't care. I merely wanted to help.. however we always have the doubting Thomas's.

Here is the entire list of all the Statues.. if you need or want to look anything up prior to driving to the State of Fl, this is the place you would look...
http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XXIII#TitleXXIII

I guess help is not what this board is all about anymore now is it?:confused3

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 08:36 PM
While technically against the law, we use the emergency flashers while driving during Florida's heavy summer afternoon thunderstorms when it's impossible for you to see the tail lights of the vehicle in front of you without them and the vehicle behind can't see you either without them. It's also very unsafe to pull to the side of the road so this is the only choice we have. I've never heard of anyone being ticketed for it.

As for the earlier discussion about yellow lights, you most definitely can enter an intersection on yellow. And if you're in an intersection when it turns red, you have the right of way to clear that intersection before traffic with green is allowed to proceed.

BobK/Orlando

actually, no you do not have the right away to clear an intersection when entering it on a yellow and it turns red. Yellow is the warning that it will turn red and if you proceed and it turns red while doing so you can and will get a ticket if an officer decides to do so. I guess you have been lucky enough to never been caught, but don't worry, sooner or later your number will be up, especially if it is at an intersection with a camera.. ;) What you are doing is running a red light, not clearing an intersection.

A Mickeyfan
04-08-2012, 08:37 PM
Thanks for clarifing what I said earlier.......

http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/402032/jessie-lynne-kerr/2010-09-16/using-flashers-rain-no-no

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100613/NEWS/100619764


Four-way emergency flashers should only be used while your vehicle is legally stopped or disabled on the highway or shoulder.
http://www.stateofflorida.com/Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=212

:lmao: and clearing the intersection is technically running a red light too, but poster doesn't see that one ...:rotfl:
......and we wonder why our roads are the way they are.. well technically it is illegal but..... we do it anyway because this is Flori-duh :rolleyes1

dburg30
04-08-2012, 09:48 PM
Ohio has the rain + wipers = lights on law.. Most Ohioans dont even know it lol.. Plus I use rain-x washer fluid and such, and I hardly ever use my wipers except in a full blown gully washer lol, so I guess I dont need to turn my lights on :).

We drove home from NC today, and I just laugh at the people that either just arent paying attention, or just flat out think they own the road and are in that left damn lane and just do NOT move over... They are doing 65 in a 70 and there is no one in the middle / right lane and they just dont get over. You just see people waiting, then going around them lol.. I just really thing many people dont really care about what other people think on the road. Pretty sure they are just like that in many aspects of their lives. They are the most important thing.

cornflake
04-09-2012, 04:00 AM
Now let's put the full portions of what you quoted here..

5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left. ........can you tell me where it says that you cannot drive in the left lane on the interstate? I was on I-4, I means Interstate.. completely legal to be driving in that left lane! Read all of what it states, this is not a 2 lane highway, but an interstate! I know my roads, and know my rules.

Uhm, it says it right in what you quoted; are you kidding?

"If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing."

5.9.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds.
When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the
posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph...... so if the speed limit is 65 and you are doing 70, you are NOT going too slow....

You may want to take note on this one... seems it is ok to speed for you if you are in the left lane.. but it doesn't say that in the very handbook you quoted from...
5.9 - Speed Limits
Speed causes many crashes. More drivers are convicted of speeding than any other offense. To avoid being fined or involved in a crash, obey
the speed limits. Speed is very important in a collision. If you double the speed of a car, you increase its force of impact four times. If you triple
the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

It doesn't say anyplace in there that it's ok to speed anyplace. It's generally considered acceptable to exceed the limit in order to pass but that's momentary and still technically illegal.

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 05:51 AM
I am not trying to be a know it all, I may not have used the correct words (rain/wipers), I assumed others would have realized what I meant, but not all did. I am only trying to help someone avoid a situation that may be unpleasant. If those that seem to think I am wrong, or want to continue to get on me for my wording of my post, so be it. Take it for what it is. If not, I only tried to help. I know the FL State laws of the road.... I am 55 and have been driving for many many many years (let's see, gas was 53 cents a gallon). I am a safe driver, with a clean record. I have never caused an accident (thank God), and do not plan to. Say what you want, I don't care. I merely wanted to help.. however we always have the doubting Thomas's.

I guess help is not what this board is all about anymore now is it?:confused3
Help is fine. The problem is when you put out incorrect information listed as "help". Some of what you put in the OP is wrong, some of what you posted is common in all 50 states. This is no different than someone saying "you don't need to pay for seat selection when you're traveling with kids... the FA will get someone to move for you".

And still... you say you're a "safe" driver, but you continued to be slower than other traffic while you were in the left lane and there was room to move to the right. :confused3

No, I'm not the best driver. I've caused accidents. I've gotten speeding tickets. But I'm not on an internet message board saying "these are the laws of the state".

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 05:52 AM
Some are not aware of the headlights on when wipers are on fact.. if you want to leave out the other items.. I think this should be placed somewhere. I know once I had mentioned this on one of the boards and someone thanked me because they were going during the summer months and did not know it. They were driving and not renting a car. Not all states have this rule. Not everyone stops to think of the various rules of the roads they are driving on when coming down. Maybe a sticky to the effect about double checking the rules of the roads they are traveling on... it could be a plus for travelers.. especially those who are so consumed in the park planning but forgot the getting there planning. Not everyone thinks all aspects out ahead of time.... :goodvibes
And yet again....there is no law regarding this. Yes, if it rains, you have your wipers on. And yes, it says that if it's raining, foggy or smokey, your lights go on. But that doesn't mean that your wipers should automatically go on when your headlights go on. My headlights are on 100% of the time...my wipers are not.

there is most certainly a law for the headlights. You can call your family up and ask. Any officer can and will tell you that one right off the top of their head! and yes, you are somewhat correct, they are rules pretty much as other states have.. and some others do have this headlight law.. ;)

http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.217.html
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES

Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL

View Entire Chapter
316.217 When lighted lamps are required.—
(1) Every vehicle operated upon a highway within this state shall display lighted lamps and illuminating devices as herein respectively required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles, under the following conditions;
(a) At any time from sunset to sunrise including the twilight hours. Twilight hours shall mean the time between sunset and full night or between full night and sunrise.
(b) During any rain, smoke, or fog.


Now if you have your wipers on, it is raining correct.. so when you have your wipers on, you are to have your headlights on.. that is the law.. if it is raining to where you are using your wipers, you must use your headlights. Rule of thumb.. wipers.. headlights.. get it now??? you even stated rain, why else would you be using your wipers on a steady basis.. it isn't meant that you turn them on when you wash your windshield??? Rain = windshield wipers. If you don't have your wipers on in the rain, they will give you a ticket, if you don't have your lights on in the rain they will give you a ticket. simple as that.... so, when you have your wipers on and no lights, that equals a ticket.. do you understand now. They don't have to say you have to use your wipers, most people understand that when it is raining, you use your wipers..:goodvibes

I suggest you talk to your Officer (cop) family member about the rules of the roads here in FL. I admit, I don't know the rules of the road where you live, but I do where I live...:goodvibes and I know I can legally drive in the left lane on the interstate with the flow of traffic and I must use my headlights if I am using my wipers (and I use my wipers when it rains :rotfl:)

I do think the wording of the learners permit book is a bit confusing and not fully explaining laws. They are telling the learner what and what not to do, but not stating what is and what is not legal, get what I am trying to say. Sure, drive to the right as much as you can, expect for passing, but it most certainly is not illegal to drive in the left lane as long as you are going with the flow of traffic. If that were the case, they would not be able to pull you over and ticket you for going to slow in the left lane now would they? In Fl they can do that..

That handbook is a guide, it doesn't state the laws. The laws are in the Fl Statues. I have posted the link several times here. Like I said, check with your family members, or just read the Statues.. :goodvibes :flower3:
And yet again, the 'rule' that you stated said that the left lane if for passing/overtaking other vehicles. With that rule in mind, if there are no cars in the middle lane, that you are actively passing/overtaking, you are not supposed to be in the left lane. You are now treating it as a 'travel lane'. Sorry but that's what your rule stated.

actually, no you do not have the right away to clear an intersection when entering it on a yellow and it turns red. Yellow is the warning that it will turn red and if you proceed and it turns red while doing so you can and will get a ticket if an officer decides to do so. I guess you have been lucky enough to never been caught, but don't worry, sooner or later your number will be up, especially if it is at an intersection with a camera.. ;) What you are doing is running a red light, not clearing an intersection.
And again, you said earlier that if you go through an intersection, on a yellow light, you would be ticketed. You are now saying that yellow is the warning that it will turn red...which is what some of us said in response to your earlier statements. And you said no, yellow means you can't go through the intersection. Now??? You've changed your mind and said that if you go through on red, you get a ticket..which is correct.


Here's the thing.....you have posted one thing, many times, and then when questioned, have come back and changed what you say. And that's the issue some here have. You are not supposed to use the left lane, of an interstate, as a travel lane. It is for passing/overtaking...per the guidelines you brought up.
Yes, the Florida rules are lights on when it's raining. And one would assume that if it's raining, your wipers will be on. I'm sorry about the cracked windshield, but I fail to understand how a cracked windshield prevented anyone from using the wipers. If the windshield was bad enough that wipers couldn't be used, then it should have been towed.

This discussion isn't going anywhere...it is close to being done.

Bonniec
04-09-2012, 06:50 AM
If someone wants to pass you going 110 in the left lane, move over and let them. We have cops for a reason, please let them do their job. People should not be trying to prevent other drivers from speeding, it will only cause road rage and more accidents.


I'll give you two stories that stick out in my mind. One is my own.

When I was a kid, around 17 or so. Some jerk was riding my behind and I decided to slam on the breaks to teach him a lesson. The guy pulled up next to me and whipped out a gun. I don't think he had any intention to use it. He was trying to scare me. The guy was a total ***. But it did make me realise that I am not a cop. I am not equipped to deal with these jerks and it's not my job to.

Also, when I lived in Idaho, there was an incident where two cars got into it with each other over one of them tailgaiting. In the end, they caused an accident. A car with a baby and the parents got caught in the middle and were killed. The two cars that started it, lived.


Just use manners people. Use the left lanes for passing. Let other people over. Try to be nice and not worry about the arrogant jerks who are doing things they shouldn't be. You can't drive 2 miles in Florida without running into them. It's not worth getting upset about. Let the cops do their jobs.

kaytieeldr
04-09-2012, 07:24 AM
As for the earlier discussion about yellow lights, you most definitely can enter an intersection on yellow. And if you're in an intersection when it turns red, you have the right of way to clear that intersection before traffic with green is allowed to proceed.
Again, the solid yellow light is an alert the red light is coming - not a challenge to see how many drivers can get through it and the subsequent red before traffic with the right of way proceeds.
http://www.driversedguru.com/driving-articles/drivers-ed-extras/what-to-do-when-the-light-turns-yellow/
This question and answers http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/374640 refer to left turns - but the last response especially clearly applies to the Florida yellow/red light law in general.

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 07:57 AM
If someone wants to pass you going 110 in the left lane, move over and let them. We have cops for a reason, please let them do their job. People should not be trying to prevent other drivers from speeding, it will only cause road rage and more accidents.


I'll give you two stories that stick out in my mind. One is my own.

When I was a kid, around 17 or so. Some jerk was riding my behind and I decided to slam on the breaks to teach him a lesson. The guy pulled up next to me and whipped out a gun. I don't think he had any intention to use it. He was trying to scare me. The guy was a total ***. But it did make me realise that I am not a cop. I am not equipped to deal with these jerks and it's not my job to.

Also, when I lived in Idaho, there was an incident where two cars got into it with each other over one of them tailgaiting. In the end, they caused an accident. A car with a baby and the parents got caught in the middle and were killed. The two cars that started it, lived.


Just use manners people. Use the left lanes for passing. Let other people over. Try to be nice and not worry about the arrogant jerks who are doing things they shouldn't be. You can't drive 2 miles in Florida without running into them. It's not worth getting upset about. Let the cops do their jobs.

Similar story. About 25 years ago, I was heading off someplace. I thought I had plenty of room to move into the oncoming traffic. Well...evidently I didn't see the motorcycle that was moving along down the road. And evidently, the rider felt that I had cut him off. I hadn't but I guess 'cut off' is a relative phrase. So...this guy followed me for miles....right on my bumper. As we got to an underpass, with no other traffic around, he passed me, and came to a complete stop..right in front of me. I stopped the car..stupid, stupid, stupid...he got off the bike with some kind of wrench in his hand....:scared1: I stepped on the gas, hard, took off around him...which evidently made him even madder. I flew onto the ramp, onto the interstate, with him right behind me...I have never been more scared!!!! I got off the interstate, drove into a gas station, and went inside. The owner could see how upset I was....he called the police. The motorcyclist passed by, slowly. The police came along shortly thereafter and went off in search.
I got into my car and went on my way......but still shaken. Talk about road rage. So yeah...I get it, I really do. Perception is reality people. You may think you were in the right, but if the nutcase behind you thinks you were wrong, it doesn't much matter. You can take your 'rightness' right to the hospital or worse yet, the grave, with you. I won't be making that mistake again...I now look many, many times before heading out into traffic or before moving in front of another car.

Just because I'm right doesn't make it okay.....I've learned my lesson.:hippie:

chartle
04-09-2012, 08:19 AM
Similar story. About 25 years ago, I was heading off someplace. I thought I had plenty of room to move into the oncoming traffic.

According to my BIL in Texas, cars on the interstate must yield to oncoming traffic.

Bonniec
04-09-2012, 08:24 AM
Yikes, that's truely scary! I think when it happened to me, the guy with the gun wasn't expecting a 17 year old girl. I really don't think he would have shot me, but his scare tactic certainly worked. He might have been in the wrong, but as you said...how do you argue with a nut case?

I still get angry when people tailgate me. I still have the urge to slam on the breaks. But I always think back to that. I'm a mom and would like to come home to my kids. I just get out of their way and try not to let it bother me.

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 09:26 AM
According to my BIL in Texas, cars on the interstate must yield to oncoming traffic.
I don't think that's right. Think about it... interstate traffic is going 70+ MPH. A car coming on from an entrance ramp is doing about 60 at best. The guy going 70+ MUST slow down?

While I do believe it is courteous for the car already on the limited-access highway to move into the other lane (when they can safely do so), I don't think they MUST yield to cars coming on.

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 09:55 AM
According to my BIL in Texas, cars on the interstate must yield to oncoming traffic.
In my case, I was making a left hand turn, into traffic going in both directions....through the center of a town. The main road was basically a lane going in each direction..not an interstate at that point.

chartle
04-09-2012, 09:55 AM
I don't think that's right. Think about it... interstate traffic is going 70+ MPH. A car coming on from an entrance ramp is doing about 60 at best. The guy going 70+ MUST slow down?

While I do believe it is courteous for the car already on the limited-access highway to move into the other lane (when they can safely do so), I don't think they MUST yield to cars coming on.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong(tried looking it up), but I can see it forces the cars already on the road to make room for the cars merging in.

I don't think this is the right site or if it is my BIL or DW is reading it wrong.

http://www.texashighwayman.com/laws.shtml#YieldOnAccRd

Again this is from my BIL to my DW to me.

But I also found this too.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_a_failure_to_yield_to_oncoming_traffic _ticket_in_Texas

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 10:00 AM
Maybe I'm reading it wrong(tried looking it up), but I can see it forces the cars already on the road to make room for the cars merging in.

I don't think this is the right site or if it is my BIL or DW is reading it wrong.

http://www.texashighwayman.com/laws.shtml#YieldOnAccRd

Again this is from my BIL to my DW to me.

But I also found this too.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_a_failure_to_yield_to_oncoming_traffic _ticket_in_Texas

I 'think' that they are talking about access roads, or as they call them there, 'frontage' roadways. I assume that means roadways that provide access as well as exit abilities to and from the highway, but not the actual highway. So....when I read that, I 'think' is says that cars going onto the highway must yield to the cars exiting the highway....not that the cars on the highway must yield to entering cars. But, I could be reading it wrong. We don't have that particular type road here in Mass.

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 10:06 AM
I 'think' that they are talking about access roads, or as they call them there, 'frontage' roadways. I assume that means roadways that provide access as well as exit abilities to and from the highway, but not the actual highway. So....when I read that, I 'think' is says that cars going onto the highway must yield to the cars exiting the highway....not that the cars on the highway must yield to entering cars. But, I could be reading it wrong. We don't have that particular type road here in Mass.
I agree. Here's the description of the law...
This law is quite simple: if you're on the frontage road (a.k.a. access road, feeder road, service road, or gateway) of a freeway or expressway, then you must yield to traffic exiting or entering the freeway or expressway. This law covers all entrance and exit ramps, even if there are no yield signs. Even if the traffic leaving the freeway merges into a separate lane, you are still technically required to yield. After all, they may want to quickly move over to the right lane to turn. Note, though, that yielding does not necessarily mean stopping
Notice the bold. This only applies to frontage roads, NOT the highway itself.

chartle
04-09-2012, 10:08 AM
I 'think' that they are talking about access roads, or as they call them there, 'frontage' roadways. I assume that means roadways that provide access as well as exit abilities to and from the highway, but not the actual highway. So....when I read that, I 'think' is says that cars going onto the highway must yield to the cars exiting the highway....not that the cars on the highway must yield to entering cars. But, I could be reading it wrong. We don't have that particular type road here in Mass.

We have few around my house. We call them on off ramps. Such that if you were merging on to the expressway and didn't move over you would exit again.

Polydweller
04-09-2012, 10:42 AM
And yet again....there is no law regarding this. Yes, if it rains, you have your wipers on. And yes, it says that if it's raining, foggy or smokey, your lights go on. But that doesn't mean that your wipers should automatically go on when your headlights go on. My headlights are on 100% of the time...my wipers are not.



Frankly, I think you are being extraordinarily nitpicky about this point. The state of Florida uses the mnemonic of wipers on headlights. It's even In the literature if some rental companies. It's a mnemonic to help people remember that the law is lights on when raining. Since when it's raining it's near 100% certain your wipers are on its not a bad mnemonic. The op was simply trying to let out of state people know that some laws are different in Florida. That's not a bad thing and there is no need to split hairs about it. A sticky to help travelers not break the law seems appropriate to me.

pilferk
04-09-2012, 10:49 AM
Have the "cashless" tolls been implemented in Orlando, yet? I know the highways down in Miami are all speedpass/cashless, now. I'd heard Orlando was going that way, too....just wondering if the change over is complete (or will be complete in the near future...say by December?).

gmeh1
04-09-2012, 10:53 AM
Some cars automatically turn on the headlights whenever you use the wipers. People driving a rental car might not realize the difference.

I note point 1 in the OP is wrong. People suggesting a sticky listing the rules of the road should take the time and make sure they get it right.

For sure, some cars do automatically turn on the headlights when the wipers go on, but, not all do. Mine does not, but, I drive with my lights on all the time, so it is not an issue.

I was making comments about the "natives" not the "tourists". It is nice to have laws, but, it is rather silly to expect tourists to follow the rules when the natives do not and have no clue (not referring to the OP) what they are or simply don't care.

As to point 1 in the OP's post, Jeb Bush vetoed a passing lane law in 2005. There was another bill introduced last year. I am not sure if it passed and if our present idiot governor signed it. I cannot seem to find anything about it.

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 10:58 AM
Frankly, I think you are being extraordinarily nitpicky about this point. The state of Florida uses the mnemonic of wipers on headlights. It's even In the literature if some rental companies. It's a mnemonic to help people remember that the law is lights on when raining. Since when it's raining it's near 100% certain your wipers are on its not a bad mnemonic. The op was simply trying to let out of state people know that some laws are different in Florida. That's not a bad thing and there is no need to split hairs about it. A sticky to help travelers not break the law seems appropriate to me.
It's not a bad mnemonic, but it's not the law. If there's a light drizzle and you don't need your wipers (look at the OP's post about her DS(?)), you still need your lights. When others tried to correct her(?), she argued it.

She also included that the left lane is available for travel... not true.

Not allowed to enter an intersection on a yellow light... not true.

right/left on red I'd say is common through most states, as is stopping for a pedestrian in crosswalk.

The "move over" law is a good one to note. I know my state has it, I don't know how many states that's in. Is it worth a sticky? I don't think so. I think sticky's should be reserved to answer common questions people have. Keep in mind, most people don't read stickies.

gmeh1
04-09-2012, 11:08 AM
I got mine from the Fl Statues.. I agree, I would hope they are giving the new learners the correct info.. check my link if you think I gave you a bogus link.. the clue word is "immediate" there. I have friends who have gotten tickets for going on it. As I said, in my County, they have shortened some of the yellows and people are upset because they feel it is causing more harm than good. Once that yellow comes either they are speeding up or slamming on their brakes. If the light has a camera attached, they slam on the brakes, if it doesn't, they speed up... I find myself slamming on my brakes if no one is behind me. If there are others behind me, I go thru it and get ready to fight it if they ticket me... :confused3 what else can I do.. you are in a no win situation here.. I agree, and I did not believe it myself.

The best is when you crack your windshield and it is raining.. :eek: My son got a crack in the windshield a few years ago. He was going to get it fixed, the day it happened... he was driving and it started to drizzle. He could not put on the wipers, but it wasn't raining so he figured he was OK. He got pulled over and got a ticket for no wipers on!!!!:headache: yes, no wipers on got him a ticket.. he happened to be at a traffic light next to an officer.. then when the officer saw the windshield was cracked, he gave him one for that.. He explained he was on his way to get it repaired, and it had just happened that day... they did not care. he got the windshield fixed, so that was just the $7 warning fine, but the wipers ticket remained. I cannot speak for Orlando, but my county can be a stickler when it comes to things...
I know someone who was pulled over for 2 miles over the limit in a school zone.. now I am in full agreement, do not speed in school zones.. but how can you tell on your speedometer that you are 2 miles over? I personally always go under what I should in the school zones, but really, how can you tell 2 miles on your speedometer???? mine has a line for the 5 and the 10 markings .. that is it.. no singles :confused:

You cannot tell if you are two miles over with most speedometers, however, if it is OVER the line on the 20 or the 25 then you are going too fast. Seems pretty simple to me. Drizzle requires wipers, even on the intermittent setting. Drizzle equals rain, put on your wipers!!! Not sure why he could not put on his wipers, but, I am sure he had a good reason.

livndisney
04-09-2012, 11:16 AM
It's not a bad mnemonic, but it's not the law. If there's a light drizzle and you don't need your wipers (look at the OP's post about her DS(?)), you still need your lights. When others tried to correct her(?), she argued it.

She also included that the left lane is available for travel... not true.

Not allowed to enter an intersection on a yellow light... not true.

right/left on red I'd say is common through most states, as is stopping for a pedestrian in crosswalk.

The "move over" law is a good one to note. I know my state has it, I don't know how many states that's in. Is it worth a sticky? I don't think so. I think sticky's should be reserved to answer common questions people have. Keep in mind, most people don't read stickies.


Actually many places list verbage such as:

"•Florida law requires that you turn on you headlights at dusk, in fog, or in rain. Be especially careful while driving during or after rainfall. Slippery road conditions could cause you to lose control of your vehicle. "

(In this case I quoted a Florida driving guide, but as others have pointed out it is also posted on rental agreements)

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100604160330AA710uV

2010 version
(1) Every vehicle operated upon a highway within this state shall display lighted lamps and illuminating devices as herein respectively required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles, under the following conditions;

(a) At any time from sunset to sunrise including the twilight hours. Twilight hours shall mean the time between sunset and full night or between full night and sunrise.

(b) During any rain, smoke, or fog.

http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-217

From: The 2011 Florida Statutes

316.217 When lighted lamps are required.—(1) Every vehicle operated upon a highway within this state shall display lighted lamps and illuminating devices as herein respectively required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles, under the following conditions;
(a) At any time from sunset to sunrise including the twilight hours. Twilight hours shall mean the time between sunset and full night or between full night and sunrise.
(b) During any rain, smoke, or fog.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316.html

So I can clearly see where the op would think it was a law.

cornflake
04-09-2012, 11:17 AM
Mine has tick marks between every 5, so yes, you can tell if you're going 67 or 68, and I think most I've driven do - I don't remember seeing without.

However, as above, the way to tell if you're 2 miles over is... if you're over the line at all.

Horace Horsecollar
04-09-2012, 11:29 AM
Getting back to the original suggestion for a "sticky" regarding Florida driving laws.

It seems completely unnecessary to me. The laws and practices in Florida seem consistent with those in the rest of the United States. States base their state driving laws on the Uniform Vehicle Code, and Florida is no exception.

There's nothing unusual about driving in Florida. There are no "gotchas" that Florida uses to give extract fines from tourists. All it takes to drive in Florida is a combination of paying attention to highway signs, using common sense, and being courteous to others on road.

gmeh1
04-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Have the "cashless" tolls been implemented in Orlando, yet? I know the highways down in Miami are all speedpass/cashless, now. I'd heard Orlando was going that way, too....just wondering if the change over is complete (or will be complete in the near future...say by December?).

No and probably not. For information, go to www.sunpass.com

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 11:37 AM
So I can clearly see where the op would think it was a law.
I have no doubt the OP thought "windshield wipers = headlights" was the law. However, it's not, and when presented with that fact, she tried to argue it. Why not just say "it's easy to remember... if you need your windshield wipers, you need your headlights".

The same thing happened with other false "laws" she posted. Again, IMO, the "move over law" might be one some aren't familiar with, but is one law worth a sticky?

pilferk
04-09-2012, 11:43 AM
I know someone who was pulled over for 2 miles over the limit in a school zone.. now I am in full agreement, do not speed in school zones.. but how can you tell on your speedometer that you are 2 miles over? I personally always go under what I should in the school zones, but really, how can you tell 2 miles on your speedometer???? mine has a line for the 5 and the 10 markings .. that is it.. no singles :confused:

You go to court and fight it.

There are 3 possible ways the LEO got that reading: Radar, Lidar, or copycat.

None of those methods is accurate to 2 mph.

Assuming a flat road, clear conditions, accurate targeting and recent/correct calibration (and if any of those are not present, the accuracy suffers):

Radar's accuracy is typically +_ 5 mph. In other words, it can be dead on accurate or as much as 5 to 10 mph "off" in any one direction. This can range from interference issues to cosine errors. This, FYI, is where the ubiquitous +- 7 rule comes from.

Lidar's accuracy is typically +-3 mph. While it's accurate far more frequently than radar when used correctly, pan errors and environmental reflections (or erroneous bounces off your wing mirrors) can lead to refraction read errors. Also, it's a LOT harder to get a correct/accurate reading with Lidar unless you're stationary, have calibrated it correctly, and are using the stock to steady it.

Copycat: As you point out, not all speedometers have single digits. In addition, your speedometer is not accurate, anyway (or likely isn't). It's likely accurate within 2 to 3 mph (unless you've had an engine changed out, and the mechanic didn't recalibrate)...though it could be off by as much as 5 mph. The LEO's speedometer, most likely, is off by a similar amount. If you're being copycatted...you could show a speed of 20 mph (but be doing 22) and the LEO could be doing 22..but his speedometer is showing 24.

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 11:44 AM
Frankly, I think you are being extraordinarily nitpicky about this point. The state of Florida uses the mnemonic of wipers on headlights. It's even In the literature if some rental companies. It's a mnemonic to help people remember that the law is lights on when raining. Since when it's raining it's near 100% certain your wipers are on its not a bad mnemonic. The op was simply trying to let out of state people know that some laws are different in Florida. That's not a bad thing and there is no need to split hairs about it. A sticky to help travelers not break the law seems appropriate to me.
Driving laws are no different in Florida than in the vast majority of the other states. I am not being nitpicky. Something was stated as a law, I found otherwise.

Have the "cashless" tolls been implemented in Orlando, yet? I know the highways down in Miami are all speedpass/cashless, now. I'd heard Orlando was going that way, too....just wondering if the change over is complete (or will be complete in the near future...say by December?).
Nope. I doubt you will see it happen soon. I drive from Sanford to WDW and then on to Tampa area...I have yet to see a cashless tollbooth. There have always been tollbooths for those of us without the sunpasses. If, and when, they all become cashless, then I will plan accordingly.

Getting back to the original suggestion for a "sticky" regarding Florida driving laws.

It seems completely unnecessary to me. The laws and practices in Florida seem consistent with those in the rest of the United States. States base their state driving laws on the Uniform Vehicle Code, and Florida is no exception.

There's nothing unusual about driving in Florida. There are no "gotchas" that Florida uses to give extract fines from tourists. All it takes to drive in Florida is a combination of paying attention to highway signs, using common sense, and being courteous to others on road.
Well, I'm glad someone had the same thought process I did.

livndisney
04-09-2012, 11:44 AM
I have no doubt the OP thought "windshield wipers = headlights" was the law. However, it's not, and when presented with that fact, she tried to argue it. Why not just say "it's easy to remember... if you need your windshield wipers, you need your headlights".

The same thing happened with other false "laws" she posted. Again, IMO, the "move over law" might be one some aren't familiar with, but is one law worth a sticky?

I guess we are reading something different, the statue I see says ANY rain=headlights.

Maybe that is why there should be a sticky. Since not everyone has time to look up the statues.

pilferk
04-09-2012, 11:51 AM
Thanks gmeh1 and goofy4tink!

I thought I'd read that the cashless booths were not coming until late 2013 (and maybe beyond that) to Orlando...but this thread, and it's traffic law questions, made we wonder (again).

I've bookmarked the sunpass site so I can keep an eye on things!

goofy4tink
04-09-2012, 11:55 AM
Dear God people...headlights are headlights. Windshield wipers are windshield wipers. If it's dark, foggy, smokey or raining, turn on your headlights.
If it's raining (or any type of precip falling on your windshield) turn on your windshield wipers.
If it's raining and you are supposed to have your headlights on, then turn 'em on, and one would imagine that if it's raining, you're smart enough to turn on your wipers as well. Why do we need a rule or a law to tell us to do that???

Enough is enough.:confused3:headache:

There is no need for a sticky!!! Not going to happen. For the love of God...we have enough stickies..and no one reads the ones we have.:scared:

rgf207
04-09-2012, 12:24 PM
Whether legal or not, the left lane is for passing, not cruising. Everyone should know that.

SaraJayne
04-09-2012, 12:49 PM
According to my BIL in Texas, cars on the interstate must yield to oncoming traffic.

I have not read past this post, so it may have already been addressed, but traffic merging from an on ramp must yield to oncoming traffic.

perdidochas
04-09-2012, 01:23 PM
For those that think I am crazy or do not know what I am talking about when it comes to the Yellow lights, think again please. I have to admit, when I first moved here I didn't think it was true either, but it is... so you may want to think it over twice when you enter an intersection on a solid yellow light.. .. you can get a ticket if an officer sees you.. I know people that it has happened to! So in other words, once that yellow turns red, and you are in that intersection, you ran the red light.. they don't care that it was yellow when you started.. see what I am saying.. it was your warning that it will immediately turn red. Some yellow lights are very very short! In fact, they have shortened the yellows to get to the reds faster in the last few years in my County. Many have been fighting it stating that it is causing more accidents by stopping short.


http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?m&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.075.html

(b) Steady yellow indication.—
1. Vehicular traffic facing a steady yellow signal is thereby warned that the related green movement is being terminated or that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter when vehicular traffic shall not enter the intersection.

A highway patrolman in Florida explained this to me that the basic rule is that you better not be speeding up through a yellow light. If you are slowing down, you're ok.

perdidochas
04-09-2012, 01:29 PM
This is not in any rule book per say, but in NY when someone flashed their lights at you in the opposite direction, that meant that police were up ahead. Do that down here in FL and it could end up 2 ways..

You can get a ticket (it is being fought to throw those tickets out)

or...

You can flash the wrong person and they may think it is a "gang" sign.. yep, that is what the word on the streets are down by me..

So a word of caution, don't flash your lights for any reason to on coming traffic.

FL Legislature just (well a few weeks ago) passed a law that says you cannot be ticketed for 'warning' about a police officer. The gang sign is an urban myth.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp

perdidochas
04-09-2012, 01:32 PM
While technically against the law, we use the emergency flashers while driving during Florida's heavy summer afternoon thunderstorms when it's impossible for you to see the tail lights of the vehicle in front of you without them and the vehicle behind can't see you either without them. It's also very unsafe to pull to the side of the road so this is the only choice we have. I've never heard of anyone being ticketed for it.

As for the earlier discussion about yellow lights, you most definitely can enter an intersection on yellow. And if you're in an intersection when it turns red, you have the right of way to clear that intersection before traffic with green is allowed to proceed.

BobK/Orlando


It's foolish to drive with your flashers. If you can't see the car in front of you, pull off the road and then turn on your flashers.

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 02:46 PM
It's foolish to drive with your flashers. If you can't see the car in front of you, pull off the road and then turn on your flashers.The (rare) times I drive with flashers is because I'm driving extremely slower than normal and I want OTHER drivers to see me. Flashers don't help me at all.

Horace Horsecollar
04-09-2012, 03:55 PM
The same thing happened with other false "laws" she posted. Again, IMO, the "move over law" might be one some aren't familiar with, but is one law worth a sticky?

According to http://www.moveoveramerica.com/ there are Move-Over laws throughout the United States, except for Hawaii and the District of Columbia.

I agree that Florida's Move-Over law is not worth a sticky.

A Mickeyfan
04-09-2012, 06:16 PM
FL Legislature just (well a few weeks ago) passed a law that says you cannot be ticketed for 'warning' about a police officer. The gang sign is an urban myth.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/lightsout.asp

So they did pass the law that there are no more tickets for that.. and down here, it was not urban myth. I was sent an email @ work (and I work for the government) telling us about it.. I doubt they would fall for a myth. I was only going by what the email sent to me stated.. and like I said, I work for the County.. (School District). :confused3

A Mickeyfan
04-09-2012, 06:24 PM
It's not a bad mnemonic, but it's not the law. If there's a light drizzle and you don't need your wipers (look at the OP's post about her DS(?)), you still need your lights. When others tried to correct her(?), she argued it.

She also included that the left lane is available for travel... not true.

Not allowed to enter an intersection on a yellow light... not true.

right/left on red I'd say is common through most states, as is stopping for a pedestrian in crosswalk.

The "move over" law is a good one to note. I know my state has it, I don't know how many states that's in. Is it worth a sticky? I don't think so. I think sticky's should be reserved to answer common questions people have. Keep in mind, most people don't read stickies.
Yes look at what I posted.. DS got a ticket for not having wipers ON.. then he was ticketed for having a broken windshield.. which was why he could NOT put his wipers on.. he did have his lights on.. so no ticket there. It boils down to in FL we say, you use your wipers (for rain) you use your lights, simple as that, they are both laws & go hand in hand with rain (not with smoke or fog).
In the State of FL YOU CAN drive in the left lanes on the interstates.. show me the "law" that states you cannot.. in fact, in the State of FL if you are not keeping up with traffic in the left lane, you will be ticketed. I have posted the "law" to the left lane driving.. what more do you want.. blood?

Ask any officer down here, as far as entering the intersection on the yellow.. sure you "can" enter, but if it turns red while you are going through it, you will get a ticket for running the red light.. that is what they mean by not entering the intersection. There is no right of way to clear the intersection on a red light.. red means no go, you run a red light, you run a red light.. simple as that. ... No, she is not arguing when others are trying to correct her, she is trying to show that what others "think" is not true..
So, if you speed but don't get a ticket.. that is ok.. right? the same goes for the clearing the intersection on a red light? If you haven't gotten ticketed for it, then it is OK.. no it is not.. you just have NOT been caught.

A Mickeyfan
04-09-2012, 06:26 PM
The (rare) times I drive with flashers is because I'm driving extremely slower than normal and I want OTHER drivers to see me. Flashers don't help me at all.

and once again, the "rare" times you drive with flashers on, you are lucky that you have not been caught.. again, that is against the law.. but as long as you are not caught doing something, then I suppose it is not breaking the law :confused3 Like the tree that falls in a forest when no one is around to hear it fall, did it really make a sound? So, you aren't breaking any laws (as far as you are concerned) since there are no LEO's to catch you...:sad2:

A Mickeyfan
04-09-2012, 07:07 PM
In Fl people do get tickets for running yellow lights...here is a forum (as I cannot prove to you through those that I know who it happened to) to show you that it does indeed happen.. and no, it doesn't always get dropped..

but again, believe what you want, because if it hasn't happened to you or someone you know, that means it cannot happen in some eyes I guess popcorn::

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/water-cooler/134662-fail-stop-amber-light.html
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http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf
For those that would rather use the FL Drivers Handbook as opposed to the Fl Statues.. here is the blurb about lights there..

Red
Come to a complete stop at the marked stop line or before moving into the crosswalk or intersection. At most intersections,
after stopping, you may turn right on red if the way is clear. Some intersections display a "NO TURN ON RED" sign, which
you must obey. Left turns on a red light from a one-way street into a one-way street are also allowed. Anyone convicted of
running a red light is required to complete a basic driver improvement course.

Yellow
Stop if you can safely do so. The light will soon be red.

Green
Go - but only if the intersection is clear. Yield to pedestrians and vehicles still in the intersection. If turning left, wait for a gap
in oncoming traffic to complete the turn. If you turn left or right, yield to pedestrians crossing in the crosswalk that you turn into.

Now I know my eyes do give me problems sometimes but I sure do read the words STOP if you can there... don't you all? doesn't that tell you to stop? It is up to LEO if they see you going through it.. if they felt you could have stopped and did not, you can and will get a ticket. If you want to fight it in court, you can try.. but please don't belittle me and tell me I am wrong.. I know how to read and I know what I am talking about... like I said, some here have the mentality that since it hasn't happened to them, it cannot happen.. or if they have just never been caught, well then it must not be against the law.. :rolleyes1


and while I'm at it, here, read this too from the handbook... INTERSTATE ("I" in I-4 stands for interstate by the way if anyone hasn't realized that :rolleyes1)

5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left.
I would also like to add to the fact that many many roads, I-4 being one of them, have exits on the LEFT.. if you cannot drive in the left lanes, how do you propose you get to your exit? That is not listed in the book of rules now is it.. aha.. it is because you can drive in the left lane, it is not against the law.. if it were, there would be no left exits. think logically people..

sam_gordon
04-09-2012, 07:52 PM
So they did pass the law that there are no more tickets for that.. and down here, it was not urban myth. I was sent an email @ work (and I work for the government) telling us about it.. I doubt they would fall for a myth. I was only going by what the email sent to me stated.. and like I said, I work for the County.. (School District). :confused3That is the funniest thing I have read on the internet in a LONG time.

It boils down to in FL we say, you use your wipers (for rain) you use your lights, simple as that, they are both laws & go hand in hand with rain (not with smoke or fog).Yes, I have agreed "wipers on = headlights on" is a good way to remember to turn on your lights. But you can't show where that is the law. I'd also like you to show in the law where it says you must use windshield wipers. I've used Rain-X in the past. Short of a downpour, I didn't need to use wipers.

In the State of FL YOU CAN drive in the left lanes on the interstates.. show me the "law" that states you cannot.. in fact, in the State of FL if you are not keeping up with traffic in the left lane, you will be ticketed. I have posted the "law" to the left lane driving.. what more do you want.. blood?

How about from the Florida Drivers' Handbook (http://www.123driving.com/flhandbook/flhb-expressway-driving.shtml)? It's under the 'Expressway Driving Section'

Drive in the right lane and pass on the left. If there are three lanes, use the right lane for lower speed driving, the left for passing. If you stay in the right lane, watch for cars entering the expressway. Adjust your speed or move into the center lane so they can enter safely.
Does that suffice for you?
and once again, the "rare" times you drive with flashers on, you are lucky that you have not been caught.. again, that is against the law.. but as long as you are not caught doing something, then I suppose it is not breaking the law :confused3 Like the tree that falls in a forest when no one is around to hear it fall, did it really make a sound? So, you aren't breaking any laws (as far as you are concerned) since there are no LEO's to catch you...:sad2:How about this...
Use the four-way emergency flashers for times when you are driving very slowly From: http://www.lowestpricetrafficschool.com/handbooks/cdl/en/2/5Got anything that actually says different?


Yellow
Stop if you can safely do so. The light will soon be red.

Now I know my eyes do give me problems sometimes but I sure do read the words STOP if you can there... don't you all? doesn't that tell you to stop? It is up to LEO if they see you going through it.. if they felt you could have stopped and did not, you can and will get a ticket. If you want to fight it in court, you can try.. but please don't belittle me and tell me I am wrong.. I know how to read and I know what I am talking about... like I said, some here have the mentality that since it hasn't happened to them, it cannot happen.. or if they have just never been caught, well then it must not be against the law.. :rolleyes1But what the law says does not mean what you think it does. According to you, if you are in the middle of the intersection (have not cleared it) when the light is yellow, it will be a ticket. But the law says to stop if you SAFELY can. If you are 20-30 ft away going 45 mph, you can NOT stop safely. So you will be in the middle of the light when it goes yellow. Yes, it's a judgement call.


and while I'm at it, here, read this too from the handbook... INTERSTATE ("I" in I-4 stands for interstate by the way if anyone hasn't realized that :rolleyes1)You're talking about others belittling you and you come out with this statement? Who has denied 'I' stands for interstate?


5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left.
I would also like to add to the fact that many many roads, I-4 being one of them, have exits on the LEFT.. if you cannot drive in the left lanes, how do you propose you get to your exit? That is not listed in the book of rules now is it.. aha.. it is because you can drive in the left lane, it is not against the law.. if it were, there would be no left exits. think logically people..
umm, the section you quoted ONLY talks about interstates regarding HOV lanes. It doesn't say anything about "cruising" in the left lanes.

bfost87
04-09-2012, 08:03 PM
This entire thread seems pointless. The rules of the road across North America are all very similar. I'm from Canada and I've driven all over Canada and the United States and I've NEVER driven in a State or City that I was like 'Oh man, I dont know how to drive here, what the hell is going on?!!?'.

Don't Speed, Don't Drive Like an Idiot. Everything will be just fine.

IloveDMB
04-09-2012, 08:25 PM
In Fl people do get tickets for running yellow lights...here is a forum (as I cannot prove to you through those that I know who it happened to) to show you that it does indeed happen.. and no, it doesn't always get dropped..

but again, believe what you want, because if it hasn't happened to you or someone you know, that means it cannot happen in some eyes I guess popcorn::

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/water-cooler/134662-fail-stop-amber-light.html
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You might want to work on your own reading comprehension as the poster in the forum you posted is from Toronto, which has absolutely nothing to do with any law in Florida.

And if you need further proof about traffic light violations, here's a simple explanation from a town in south Florida.

http://www.hialeahfl.gov/Announcements_files/Hialeah_Red_Light_Program_English.pdf


Of course this is probably futile, as you'll change it around to fit your wrong argument.

ncc1701
04-09-2012, 09:01 PM
This entire thread seems pointless. The rules of the road across North America are all very similar. I'm from Canada and I've driven all over Canada and the United States and I've NEVER driven in a State or City that I was like 'Oh man, I dont know how to drive here, what the hell is going on?!!?'.

Don't Speed, Don't Drive Like an Idiot. Everything will be just fine.

The best thing I've read on this thread:thumbsup2

cornflake
04-09-2012, 09:15 PM
In Fl people do get tickets for running yellow lights...here is a forum (as I cannot prove to you through those that I know who it happened to) to show you that it does indeed happen.. and no, it doesn't always get dropped..

but again, believe what you want, because if it hasn't happened to you or someone you know, that means it cannot happen in some eyes I guess popcorn::~~~~~

Red
Come to a complete stop at the marked stop line or before moving into the crosswalk or intersection. At most intersections,
after stopping, you may turn right on red if the way is clear. Some intersections display a "NO TURN ON RED" sign, which
you must obey. Left turns on a red light from a one-way street into a one-way street are also allowed. Anyone convicted of
running a red light is required to complete a basic driver improvement course.

Green
Go - but only if the intersection is clear. Yield to pedestrians and vehicles still in the intersection. If turning left, wait for a gap
in oncoming traffic to complete the turn. If you turn left or right, yield to pedestrians crossing in the crosswalk that you turn into.

Now I know my eyes do give me problems sometimes but I sure do read the words STOP if you can there... don't you all? doesn't that tell you to stop? It is up to LEO if they see you going through it.. if they felt you could have stopped and did not, you can and will get a ticket. If you want to fight it in court, you can try.. but please don't belittle me and tell me I am wrong.. I know how to read and I know what I am talking about... like I said, some here have the mentality that since it hasn't happened to them, it cannot happen.. or if they have just never been caught, well then it must not be against the law.. :rolleyes1


and while I'm at it, here, read this too from the handbook... INTERSTATE ("I" in I-4 stands for interstate by the way if anyone hasn't realized that :rolleyes1)

5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left.
I would also like to add to the fact that many many roads, I-4 being one of them, have exits on the LEFT.. if you cannot drive in the left lanes, how do you propose you get to your exit? That is not listed in the book of rules now is it.. aha.. it is because you can drive in the left lane, it is not against the law.. if it were, there would be no left exits. think logically people..

Ok, let's try AGAIN.

From one of your original posts -


5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left. ........can you tell me where it says that you cannot drive in the left lane on the interstate? I was on I-4, I means Interstate.. completely legal to be driving in that left lane! Read all of what it states, this is not a 2 lane highway, but an interstate! I know my roads, and know my rules.

I don't know how you don't see that, right there, but it's right there telling you that the left lane(s) are for passing, and you're to stay in the right lane(s) when driving.

chartle
04-09-2012, 09:26 PM
Ask any officer down here, as far as entering the intersection on the yellow.. sure you "can" enter, but if it turns red while you are going through it, you will get a ticket for running the red light.. that is what they mean by not entering the intersection. There is no right of way to clear the intersection on a red light.. red means no go, you run a red light, you run a red light.. simple as that.

I think you reading too much into this 'yield right of way' thing and somehow think they are saying its legal. I think it means if someone is running the light in front you, even though you have a green light, get out of the idiots way and don't make things worse. :goodvibes

Also watch out for the cop chasing the guy too.

I work a transportation company and the rule/guide is to wait a second or two to make sure you don't have someone running the light t-boning you.

ETA: Should have read what was posted just a few posts up.

http://www.hialeahfl.gov/Announcements_files/Hialeah_Red_Light_Program_English.pdf

It does seem that a red light infraction starts at the intersection not in the box of the intersection. Though don't do this in NYC I have heard of "Don't get caught in the box"

cornflake
04-09-2012, 10:36 PM
It does seem that a red light infraction starts at the intersection not in the box of the intersection. Though don't do this in NYC I have heard of "Don't get caught in the box"

That's 'don't block the box' and really deals with some large intersections in NYC (mostly they have a crossgrid pattern painted). There are signs posted that warn that 'blocking the box' is a fine plus 2 points on your license. You can get the ticket and points even if you go into the intersection on the green - if you're still there when the light turns red.

The entire point is to prevent people from going into the intersection at all if they don't have not only the green, but clearance to get out of the intersection.

Traffic is such in some areas that it can take multiple light cycles to be able to get across, so the idea is to punish people who go into the intersection just because the light is green, and then get stuck, and then traffic can't move any which way. You're not supposed to go into the intersection unless you see you can get out of it. Even if you go into it on a green, in heavy traffic, if you can't get out of it by the time it turns red, you can get a ticket.

gmeh1
04-10-2012, 12:14 AM
So they did pass the law that there are no more tickets for that.. and down here, it was not urban myth. I was sent an email @ work (and I work for the government) telling us about it.. I doubt they would fall for a myth. I was only going by what the email sent to me stated.. and like I said, I work for the County.. (School District). :confused3

It is a myth, sent to many about different areas of the country. There are many myths about gangs and all are proven false. check out this link. http://www.snopes.com/crime/gangs/dalton.asp Considering the current state of the government's mentality, I am not at all surprised that someone fell for it.
BTW, microsoft won't pay you to forward emails, the heart association is not donating money to any cause, pepsi has not partnered with Microsoft to pay you to forward emails.....just a FYI should you get one of those emails. :)

gmeh1
04-10-2012, 12:26 AM
Ok, let's try AGAIN.

From one of your original posts -



I don't know how you don't see that, right there, but it's right there telling you that the left lane(s) are for passing, and you're to stay in the right lane(s) when driving.

OMG!!! Thank you so much for this, I am literally ROTF!!! I was waiting for someone to point this out. But, she does work for the government(school dept, I believe) makes me glad my kids were educated in New England.....nuf said.

chartle
04-10-2012, 05:16 AM
That's 'don't block the box' and really deals with some large intersections in NYC (mostly they have a crossgrid pattern painted).

Oddly enough thats what I thought I wrote. :confused3 Should edit my posts better.

Lewisc
04-10-2012, 07:30 AM
A thread listing wrong information on FL traffic laws. I can make a better case for deleting it then for making it a sticky.

Law requiring headlights during rain and move over rules were FL rules before they were law in NY, and other states.

A few years ago such a thread might have had some merit. Traffic laws are pretty uniform. Add me to the list of posters who see no merit in such a thread.

I guess the OP thought she was providing good information. This thread might have gone a different direction if it didn't start with the OP posting rubbish.

torinsmom
04-10-2012, 07:43 AM
Yikes, that's truely scary! I think when it happened to me, the guy with the gun wasn't expecting a 17 year old girl. I really don't think he would have shot me, but his scare tactic certainly worked. He might have been in the wrong, but as you said...how do you argue with a nut case?

I still get angry when people tailgate me. I still have the urge to slam on the breaks. But I always think back to that. I'm a mom and would like to come home to my kids. I just get out of their way and try not to let it bother me.

The best thing that can happen from hitting your brakes like that is to make someone mad. The worst that can happen is that they actually hit you when you're going 65+ mph on a busy highway. It just isn't worth the risk to me. If someone is driving too fast or recklessly, I get the heck out of their way, so they don't put me at risk.

As far as someone staying in the left lane when someone is coming up behind them going faster, I think that is driving unsafely. It's not my job to keep someone from speeding and if you don't get out of the way, they will get into the right lanes trying to pass and that can be more dangerous for everyone involved.

So, I am not supposed to enter the intersection when the light is yellow? How the heck am I supposed to know that the light is about to turn yellow?? Are they going to add an orange light to warn about the impending yellow? My rule is that if the light turns yellow and I can't stop safely, I go ahead through. If I am able to stop, I do. No way to stop if you get a few carlengths away from the light and it turns. Now some people speed up and don't stop when they could, and THAT is a safety issue.

goofy4tink
04-10-2012, 07:47 AM
The best thing that can happen from hitting your brakes like that is to make someone mad. The worst that can happen is that they actually hit you when you're going 65+ mph on a busy highway. It just isn't worth the risk to me. If someone is driving too fast or recklessly, I get the heck out of their way, so they don't put me at risk.

As far as someone staying in the left lane when someone is coming up behind them going faster, I think that is driving unsafely. It's not my job to keep someone from speeding and if you don't get out of the way, they will get into the right lanes trying to pass and that can be more dangerous for everyone involved.

So, I am not supposed to enter the intersection when the light is yellow? How the heck am I supposed to know that the light is about to turn yellow?? Are they going to add an orange light to warn about the impending yellow? My rule is that if the light turns yellow and I can't stop safely, I go ahead through. If I am able to stop, I do. No way to stop if you get a few carlengths away from the light and it turns. Now some people speed up and don't stop when they could, and THAT is a safety issue.
And this is why I don't just take off when the signal turns green!! I've almost been rammed several times by someone figuring they had plenty of time to get through the intersection before the other light turned green!! I have actually sat there, watched the other light turn yellow and see a car speed through just as it turned red. Now, that light had been yellow for about 10 secs, so an approaching car had plenty of time to see it and stop. If I hadn't been paying attention, and then just drove off as my light turned green??? Mushed.

torinsmom
04-10-2012, 07:50 AM
And this is why I don't just take off when the signal turns green!! I've almost been rammed several times by someone figuring they had plenty of time to get through the intersection before the other light turned green!! I have actually sat there, watched the other light turn yellow and see a car speed through just as it turned red. Now, that light had been yellow for about 10 secs, so an approaching car had plenty of time to see it and stop. If I hadn't been paying attention, and then just drove off as my light turned green??? Mushed.

Yeah, me too. I always look both ways before moving when the light turns yellow. You just never know. As much as I HATE getting stopped when I'm in a hurry, I try to think of how much later(and maybe deader) I'd be if I had an accident flying through the light.

cornflake
04-10-2012, 10:56 AM
And this is why I don't just take off when the signal turns green!! I've almost been rammed several times by someone figuring they had plenty of time to get through the intersection before the other light turned green!! I have actually sat there, watched the other light turn yellow and see a car speed through just as it turned red. Now, that light had been yellow for about 10 secs, so an approaching car had plenty of time to see it and stop. If I hadn't been paying attention, and then just drove off as my light turned green??? Mushed.

Might be your brother? [/George Carlin]

Geoff_M
04-10-2012, 12:57 PM
A thread listing wrong information on FL traffic laws. I can make a better case for deleting it then for making it a sticky.
And the people said "Amen!"

smdigh
04-10-2012, 01:32 PM
http://www.jupiterlegaladvocates.com/2012/03/2851/

Regarding if there is a Law (vs. common sense) using the left lane, this article seems to indicate that the left lane is not reserved for passing only.

The proposal requires an operator of a motor vehicle to yield the left lane when being overtaken on a multilane highway. (i.e. you can be in the left lane- just get out of the way if faster traffic approaches).

It boils down to just common sense, which a lot of drivers don't have.

bumbershoot
04-10-2012, 01:46 PM
I learned to drive in NY, lived there for 31 years before moving to CT, then moving here. Have been here for 20 years...
I hate to break it to you, but it is not a law to drive in the right lane.. read what you have posted.. stay with the flow of traffic.. and if ONE is staying with the flow of traffic and you have an inpatient person who wants to go way above the speed limit, they are putting others in danger. Speeding is against the law. I will NOT get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the limit in the left lane on a 3 lane highway, but someone dying to pass me because they want to go 20 miles over will.. I was going with the flow of traffic.. had I moved over, the tailgater would have either followed me or had to contend with another car tailgating that one.. so .. hmmmm who is wrong? The one going with the flow of traffic or the tailgater.. :confused3 I say tailgater..
:thumbsup2

You were NOT going with the flow of traffic. You had someone behind you who was too close to you. You can't control his actions, but you can control yourself.



The full text of what I posted had nothing to do with it, that's why I didn't include the HOV stuff. You wanted to pull a "ha ha!" on me, but it didn't work. Obviously if there's an HOV lane, that lane isn't the "left lane" in terms of what we're talking about. While driving around home, there's the "left lane" that we're talking about, and there's an HOV lane further to the left of that. If you can't be in the HOV lane, it's invisible for the purposes of what we're talking about. And you don't use the HOV lane as a passing lane either. You use the "left lane" for that, ignoring the fact that there's an HOV lane even "lefter".


Now let's put the full portions of what you quoted here..

5.27 - Traffic Lanes
Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
occupants in the car - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left. ........can you tell me where it says that you cannot drive in the left lane on the interstate? I was on I-4, I means Interstate.. completely legal to be driving in that left lane! Read all of what it states, this is not a 2 lane highway, but an interstate! I know my roads, and know my rules.

5.9.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds.
When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the
posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph...... so if the speed limit is 65 and you are doing 70, you are NOT going too slow....

You may want to take note on this one... seems it is ok to speed for you if you are in the left lane.. but it doesn't say that in the very handbook you quoted from...
5.9 - Speed Limits
Speed causes many crashes. More drivers are convicted of speeding than any other offense. To avoid being fined or involved in a crash, obey
the speed limits. Speed is very important in a collision. If you double the speed of a car, you increase its force of impact four times. If you triple
the speed, the impact is nine times as great.

It's painful to me that the first bit isn't been seen by you. I made it bold and big above.

If you are going slower than the person behind you, you aren't going with the speed of the road, and you are the slower person and are unsafe at that moment. Speed up or get out of the way. Why do I feel like I care more about your safety than you did at that moment? I don't WANT you to be rear-ended. I don't want there to be a crash. I don't want your sense of "I'm doing what is right" to kill you.

It's not your *fault*, but it's your responsibility to get out of the way.


I wasn't doing anyone a favor, he followed me into that lane after he felt I cut him off.. he stayed on my tail. he had NO ONE in front of him in the middle lane, he could have stayed there had he wanted to go faster than I was going.. do you not see what I was trying to say, did you read my original thread or are you just reading between lines in this thread...:confused3 I feel like I am beating a dead horse here.. some one felt I cut them off, which I did not, I had ample space when I went from the right lane to the middle lane. Then I proceeded to the left lane knowing that the Disney exist were coming up. I figured I would get out of the way of anyone wanting to get on or off those exits. I stayed with the flow of traffic in the left lane. The car who I went in front of followed me, he was up on my bumper. He remained there until he realized his Disney exist was coming up. Due to the fact he was on my tail in the left lane, he had to cut off others by going over the 3 lanes of traffic since the exit ramp was now coming up for him. Why, I don't know why he felt compelled to do this to me. Did he want to pass me, no.. he did not. He was NOT speeding to pass me. Most who would have wanted to pass would have done so by going into a lane that had no one in there at that point. He was following me, or can you not see what I am saying.. a classic case of road rage..

And by you staying there, you made his rage higher. You can't control his actions. All you can do is control your own. And you made yourself less safe by staying in front of him.

bumbershoot
04-10-2012, 02:04 PM
so what rule is wrong? instead of saying OP is wrong let's work together and correct them.. or do you not know the rules of the road.. ;) where was I wrong? It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes on the interstate. It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes as long as they are driving lanes. read up on the laws of the road..
http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20316


(2) Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such overtaking is being attempted at nighttime, and shall not increase the speed of his or her vehicle until completely passed by the overtaking vehicle.

The driver of the car being passed needs to move to the right so the passing vehicle can pass.

Right?

So....someone behind you is awfully close, sounds like they want to pass, so you are now the car being overtaken, so...get to the right.

Right?

Directly from the statutes.




Getting back to the original suggestion for a "sticky" regarding Florida driving laws.

It seems completely unnecessary to me. The laws and practices in Florida seem consistent with those in the rest of the United States. States base their state driving laws on the Uniform Vehicle Code, and Florida is no exception.

There's nothing unusual about driving in Florida. There are no "gotchas" that Florida uses to give extract fines from tourists. All it takes to drive in Florida is a combination of paying attention to highway signs, using common sense, and being courteous to others on road.

That's what I was trying to get at by mentioning the states I've driven in. That it's common.

I drive a grey/silver car at home, in Western WA. You can bet I'm hyper-ware of my car's lack of visibility when it's raining or grey, and I know that's why they want lights on. Sometimes here at home it can rain while it's sunny, and that's a little confusing, LOL. I haven't yet experienced a sunny rain in SC or FL; my experiences have involved huge scary storms (especially one I encountered in GA while on my way from SC to FL....side story, fun times when you've been driving in the summer with manual windows and manual sunroof all open, and then you can see wet cars coming the other direction, and have to roll it all up before you get to the storm!) where it becomes DARK while raining, so it's not a difficulty to remember you need lights on (even if they don't come on automatically or are already on....and with the cars I've had, daytime lights are the same brightness as light-lights are, yes I've checked!). I'm sure there are sunny storms there, but I've never experienced one. So, what I'm saying is...my "lights on during rain" education comes from home in WA, not from FL info.

goofy4tink
04-10-2012, 04:46 PM
http://www.jupiterlegaladvocates.com/2012/03/2851/

Regarding if there is a Law (vs. common sense) using the left lane, this article seems to indicate that the left lane is not reserved for passing only.

The proposal requires an operator of a motor vehicle to yield the left lane when being overtaken on a multilane highway. (i.e. you can be in the left lane- just get out of the way if faster traffic approaches).

It boils down to just common sense, which a lot of drivers don't have.

Have you completely missed the posts with the state statutes listed regarding left lane driving??? 5.27-Traffic lanes is pretty clear. Use the left lane for passing/overtaking another vehicle. It does not say that you are allowed to just amble along over there. Now...would an officer pull you over if you were seen in that left lane, with no one in the middle lane, and someone behind you??? Have no idea. But, for the life of me...I can't understand why people feel they have to be in that far left lane if they aren't passing anyone, and the middle lane is open....I just don't get it. But then again, my dh does it all the time, and it drives me nutty when he does it as well.

smdigh
04-10-2012, 07:55 PM
Have you completely missed the posts with the state statutes listed regarding left lane driving??? 5.27-Traffic lanes is pretty clear. Use the left lane for passing/overtaking another vehicle. It does not say that you are allowed to just amble along over there. Now...would an officer pull you over if you were seen in that left lane, with no one in the middle lane, and someone behind you??? Have no idea. But, for the life of me...I can't understand why people feel they have to be in that far left lane if they aren't passing anyone, and the middle lane is open....I just don't get it. But then again, my dh does it all the time, and it drives me nutty when he does it as well.

I don't think I missed any point. Look at the article, and then look at the bill http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2012/0244/BillText/Filed/PDF
The pertinant information starts at about line 53 of the text, and refers to changing Florida law 316.083.

Would you agree that this bill they are trying to pass will result in more restrictive laws regarding the left lane? How can you get more restrictive if the current law requires you to use the left lane for passing only? The gist of the bill is that you will be required to move over if you are impeding movement in that lane.

THe 5.27 you are quoting is from a HANDBOOK. It suggests things that you should do and things you are required by law to do.


Here is the florida statute on overtaking vehicles:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.083.html
Read 0316.083 (2) 'Except when overtaking on the right is permitted'

Then see the florida statute on when overtaking on the right is permitted
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.084.html

Read 0316.084(b)- That sure sounds like a description of a multilane highway to me.


The whole point of this bill is to further restrict the existing statute, which the way it reads sure doesn't look like it expressly outlaws driving in the left lane if not passing.

goofy4tink
04-11-2012, 05:35 AM
I don't think I missed any point. Look at the article, and then look at the bill http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2012/0244/BillText/Filed/PDF
The pertinant information starts at about line 53 of the text, and refers to changing Florida law 316.083.

Would you agree that this bill they are trying to pass will result in more restrictive laws regarding the left lane? How can you get more restrictive if the current law requires you to use the left lane for passing only? The gist of the bill is that you will be required to move over if you are impeding movement in that lane.

THe 5.27 you are quoting is from a HANDBOOK. It suggests things that you should do and things you are required by law to do.


Here is the florida statute on overtaking vehicles:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.083.html
Read 0316.083 (2) 'Except when overtaking on the right is permitted'

Then see the florida statute on when overtaking on the right is permitted
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.084.html

Read 0316.084(b)- That sure sounds like a description of a multilane highway to me.


The whole point of this bill is to further restrict the existing statute, which the way it reads sure doesn't look like it expressly outlaws driving in the left lane if not passing.
Yes, I see that. And yes, it is basically a 'suggestion'...and I think it should be a 'law'. BUT....when you consider that the vast majority of people learn to drive based on a 'handbook', I guess it's good enough for me when trying to show what the 'intent' is. The OP posted something, we just posted to show that her 'intent' wasn't really correct.

torinsmom
04-11-2012, 06:40 AM
I don't know about your state, but in my state, you study the handbook before taking the test to get your drivers license. I would think that means that it is what you should do.

I remember when the law in NC was that kids could be in a regular seat belt at 4 years/40 lbs. Of course the recommendation of the NHTSA was a lot more stringent. I kept my child in his booster, because of that and also because common sense told me that having the seat belt laying on his face was not optimal for him safety. I am a teacher and had 3-6 years old at that time. We would have 4yo kids come in for field trip with nothing. I am talking 30 lbs soaking wet, but they were 4. Sometimes we just have to use our brains. Just because something isn't an official law doesn't mean it isn't best practice. Seat belt laws for adults---same thing.

A Mickeyfan
04-11-2012, 06:54 AM
As far as someone staying in the left lane when someone is coming up behind them going faster, I think that is driving unsafely. It's not my job to keep someone from speeding and if you don't get out of the way, they will get into the right lanes trying to pass and that can be more dangerous for everyone involved.

So, I am not supposed to enter the intersection when the light is yellow? How the heck am I supposed to know that the light is about to turn yellow?? Are they going to add an orange light to warn about the impending yellow? My rule is that if the light turns yellow and I can't stop safely, I go ahead through. If I am able to stop, I do. No way to stop if you get a few carlengths away from the light and it turns. Now some people speed up and don't stop when they could, and THAT is a safety issue.
few pointers here..
first off, he did not come up behind me going faster.. he followed me into that lane from the middle and tailgated behind me.. totally different case, but not many here are getting what I tried to point out. He had no one in front of him in the middle lane once I moved to the left, he had free roam to speed if he wanted to. He choose to move to tailgate me because he felt I went in front of him from the right lane..

as far as entering the intersection on a yellow or turning yellow are two different animals too.. You have the correct rule of thumb. If it is yellow, and you can stop safely, that is the law, that is what you do. If it is turning yellow while you are in the intersection, you proceed through it. If it is yellow as you are entering it, and you can safely stop, but you do not & it turns red.. while an officer see's you, it is their option to ticket you for running a red light. They witnessed you making the decision to enter that intersection knowing that you could have stopped safely... :goodvibes some here are not seeing how this law works... I don't understand why either... yes, you can get a ticket for "running" a yellow light.. and that is how.. :goodvibes

A Mickeyfan
04-11-2012, 07:02 AM
I don't know about your state, but in my state, you study the handbook before taking the test to get your drivers license. I would think that means that it is what you should do.

I remember when the law in NC was that kids could be in a regular seat belt at 4 years/40 lbs. Of course the recommendation of the NHTSA was a lot more stringent. I kept my child in his booster, because of that and also because common sense told me that having the seat belt laying on his face was not optimal for him safety. I am a teacher and had 3-6 years old at that time. We would have 4yo kids come in for field trip with nothing. I am talking 30 lbs soaking wet, but they were 4. Sometimes we just have to use our brains. Just because something isn't an official law doesn't mean it isn't best practice. Seat belt laws for adults---same thing.

The handbook doesn't give you the law, they teach you the basics. I know in my handbook from NY way back in the early 70's they said when you are backing out of a driveway, and their are children playing, you get out count them, have them move, pull out, get out & count them again.... so tell me, is that a law.. no it was NOT. The handbook is just that, a guide on teaching you the safe way to drive, but not the actual law on everything. The handbook teaches you the basics on how to park, but it is not a law that you do it that exact way, as long as you are in x-amount of inches from the curb. Does the handbook tell you that you cannot have a license plate frame (blocking the County name on your plate) around your license plate? In Charlotte County FL, if you have one, they will ticket you.. hmmm that is not in the FL handbook.. Does the handbook tell you that in FT Myers FL, the residential streets are all 25 miles an hour (and most do not have a posted speed limit sign yet as they changed the speed limit Jan 1st I believe).. no they don't, they tell you all side streets are 30???? so Handbooks are a guide, they are not law...

A Mickeyfan
04-11-2012, 07:13 AM
OMG!!! Thank you so much for this, I am literally ROTF!!! I was waiting for someone to point this out. But, she does work for the government(school dept, I believe) makes me glad my kids were educated in New England.....nuf said.
not on interstates.. do you not get what I am saying.. did you not read all of the statue? I went to college in NY so when you are joking about education, guess NY is a joke too then..didn't come down here till I was 33. read people..I know what part of the post states, I also know what the other part states tooooooo do you? guess it is not me that cannot comprehend what I am reading. I drive these roads everyday, I know what I am talking about! I live here. I see, you do not. so get a life will ya:sad2:

A Mickeyfan
04-11-2012, 07:18 AM
I am so done with the know it alls who do not live in FL and are going to tell me that you cannot drive in the left lanes, that it is against the law.. do your homework then come back here and tell me. :sad1: Those that live here who do not understand it, I suggest you take a second look at the law. The law allows you to drive in the left lane on multi-lane highways (interstates) as a matter of fact, you will be ticketed if you are going too slow in that lane, and I do not mean the under 20 law. Do some research then post. Ask an officer or a traffic judge:rolleyes1

seashoreCM
04-11-2012, 07:23 AM
That's 'don't block the box' and really deals with some large intersections in NYC (mostly they have a crossgrid pattern painted). There are signs posted that warn that 'blocking the box' is a fine plus 2 points on your license. You can get the ticket and points even if you go into the intersection on the green - if you're still there when the light turns red.

The entire point is to prevent people from going into the intersection at all if they don't have not only the green, but clearance to get out of the intersection.
The "don't block the box" law exists in many states and cities. The acid test is (although sometimes it is hard to prove) that if there is space beyond the intersection for your car and you are first in line, then you are not in violation even if the light turns red before you get there.

Trivia: Where would you find a set of signs vaguely similar to the following?

http://www.cockam.com/pix3/left1.jpg

soxfan11901
04-11-2012, 07:39 AM
not on interstates.. do you not get what I am saying.. did you not read all of the statue? I went to college in NY so when you are joking about education, guess NY is a joke too then

I read the statue when I'm at a place like the Lincoln Memorial in DC, but it doesn't help me figure out the law. So I guess that NY education didn't do too much for you.

From Websters:
Statue - a three-dimensional representation usually of a person, animal, or mythical being that is produced by sculpturing, modeling, or casting

Statute - a law enacted by the legislative branch of a government

I haven't decided yet whether this is the most entertaining thread I've read in awhile or the most annoying.

torinsmom
04-11-2012, 07:59 AM
few pointers here..
first off, he did not come up behind me going faster.. he followed me into that lane from the middle and tailgated behind me.. totally different case, but not many here are getting what I tried to point out. He had no one in front of him in the middle lane once I moved to the left, he had free roam to speed if he wanted to. He choose to move to tailgate me because he felt I went in front of him from the right lane..

as far as entering the intersection on a yellow or turning yellow are two different animals too.. You have the correct rule of thumb. If it is yellow, and you can stop safely, that is the law, that is what you do. If it is turning yellow while you are in the intersection, you proceed through it. If it is yellow as you are entering it, and you can safely stop, but you do not & it turns red.. while an officer see's you, it is their option to ticket you for running a red light. They witnessed you making the decision to enter that intersection knowing that you could have stopped safely... :goodvibes some here are not seeing how this law works... I don't understand why either... yes, you can get a ticket for "running" a yellow light.. and that is how.. :goodvibes

I did not quote you in that post, because I was speaking in general to people who are saying they have the right to sit in that lane no matter what is going on around them. In your position, I would probably have jumped back right again if he was tailgating me, but then, I am deathly afraid of being tailgated. I'm all about getting where I'm going alive, and that means getting out of the way of aggressive drivers.

torinsmom
04-11-2012, 08:06 AM
The handbook doesn't give you the law, they teach you the basics. I know in my handbook from NY way back in the early 70's they said when you are backing out of a driveway, and their are children playing, you get out count them, have them move, pull out, get out & count them again.... so tell me, is that a law.. no it was NOT. The handbook is just that, a guide on teaching you the safe way to drive, but not the actual law on everything. The handbook teaches you the basics on how to park, but it is not a law that you do it that exact way, as long as you are in x-amount of inches from the curb. Does the handbook tell you that you cannot have a license plate frame (blocking the County name on your plate) around your license plate? In Charlotte County FL, if you have one, they will ticket you.. hmmm that is not in the FL handbook.. Does the handbook tell you that in FT Myers FL, the residential streets are all 25 miles an hour (and most do not have a posted speed limit sign yet as they changed the speed limit Jan 1st I believe).. no they don't, they tell you all side streets are 30???? so Handbooks are a guide, they are not law...

Like I said, recommendation vs law. never said the handbook was the law. Sometimes people should just use common sense. Everything can't be legislated. And by the way, I think that idea about counting the children is a great recommendation. It might not be the law, but it sure could save a few lives.

Lewisc
04-11-2012, 08:14 AM
I am so done with the know it alls who do not live in FL and are going to tell me that you cannot drive in the left lanes, that it is against the law.. do your homework then come back here and tell me. :sad1: Those that live here who do not understand it, I suggest you take a second look at the law. The law allows you to drive in the left lane on multi-lane highways (interstates) as a matter of fact, you will be ticketed if you are going too slow in that lane, and I do not mean the under 20 law. Do some research then post. Ask an officer or a traffic judge:rolleyes1

From the current edition of the Florida's driver handbook:
This driver’s handbook provides some basic information you will need to be a safe driver and understand Florida’s traffic laws and regulations.
This knowledge, along with driving experience and your sense of responsibility while driving can help protect you, your family, your friends and
other highway users

Regardless of the law, common sense, basic driving knowledge and the Florida's handbook suggests using the left lane for passing. Is it currently a law. Maybe not. Why not? Sometimes the roads are so congested that faster moving traffic stays in the left lane.

You're in the middle lane and a car behind you wants to pass. Let him pass you on the left. Don't go to the left lane before he gets a chance. Just rude. Unsafe and possibly illegal as per the Florida's handbook.

He had no one in front of him in the middle lane once I moved to the left

There was absolutely no reason for you to be in the left lane. Clearly you weren't passing anyone. Clearly the road wasn't so congested driving in the left lane was necessary for traffic flow. You were able to switch to the left lane before the car got a chance to pass you. Maybe before he put his turn signal on, maybe not.

kaytieeldr
04-11-2012, 11:13 AM
first off, he did not come up behind me going faster.. he followed me into that lane from the middle and tailgated behind me.. totally different case, but not many here are getting what I tried to point out. He had no one in front of him in the middle lane once I moved to the left, he had free roam to speed if he wanted to. He choose to move to tailgate me because he felt I went in front of him from the right lane..

I went back and reread the post that started all this: I was in the right lane and saw an opening for the middle lane but I couldn't see both of the car's headlights so I didn't move over yet, but did have my blinker on. Once I saw both headlights in my rear mirror I moved. The left lane was clear so I moved again. The Blue Toyota Rav 4 must have been upset with me because I went in front of him, so he moved over and tailgated me. When I say tailgated, I mean he was on my freaking bumper!
And it struck me - given that the OP provides so much detail, it's odd that some information is missing or seems inaccurate. There's no mention of using a blinker to enter I*-4, and unless my memory is faulty (always possible) AND Google Maps is showing me what I want to see and not the truth, I*-4 is four lanes in that area - not the three for which the OP's description of her actions account :confused3

So in addition to her either not reporting her action when merging into the highway... er, interstate - or, worse, breaking the law by not using her directional to notify drivers with the right-of-way of her desire to merge safely, she also appears to have deleted a lane from I-4 between the SeaWorld on ramp and the Epcut exit!!!!

*I for Interstate ;) although I'm not sure what the big deal is about an interstate highway, especially one entirely in the state. Florida has four, total. Little, itty-bitty Massachusetts, in comparison, has sixteen.

gmeh1
04-11-2012, 12:17 PM
I am so done with the know it alls who do not live in FL and are going to tell me that you cannot drive in the left lanes, that it is against the law.. do your homework then come back here and tell me. :sad1: Those that live here who do not understand it, I suggest you take a second look at the law. The law allows you to drive in the left lane on multi-lane highways (interstates) as a matter of fact, you will be ticketed if you are going too slow in that lane, and I do not mean the under 20 law. Do some research then post. Ask an officer or a traffic judge:rolleyes1

I do live in FL, in Orlando, as a matter of fact. The left lane is for passing and that does not mean passing time or passing gas or passing glances at the folks passing you on the right and maybe giving you dirty looks or worse. Obviously it does not apply to those pesky left hand exits, let's use some common sense here, ok? You posted the law yourself at least once. As a matter of fact, you can get a ticket for driving too slow on any interstate in FL. My rule of thumb: If you don't have anyone in front of you and a long line in back of you, you are driving too darn slow and should move over.

gmeh1
04-11-2012, 12:42 PM
The handbook doesn't give you the law, they teach you the basics. I know in my handbook from NY way back in the early 70's they said when you are backing out of a driveway, and their are children playing, you get out count them, have them move, pull out, get out & count them again.... so tell me, is that a law.. no it was NOT. The handbook is just that, a guide on teaching you the safe way to drive, but not the actual law on everything. The handbook teaches you the basics on how to park, but it is not a law that you do it that exact way, as long as you are in x-amount of inches from the curb. Does the handbook tell you that you cannot have a license plate frame (blocking the County name on your plate) around your license plate? In Charlotte County FL, if you have one, they will ticket you.. hmmm that is not in the FL handbook.. Does the handbook tell you that in FT Myers FL, the residential streets are all 25 miles an hour (and most do not have a posted speed limit sign yet as they changed the speed limit Jan 1st I believe).. no they don't, they tell you all side streets are 30???? so Handbooks are a guide, they are not law...
The handbook is a guide? Not exactly accurate. From the FL handbook:
"This driver’s handbook provides some basic information you will need to be a safe driver and understand Florida’s traffic laws and regulations.
This knowledge, along with driving experience and your sense of responsibility while driving can help protect you, your family, your friends and
other highway users.
As a Department, we will continue to make doing business with us easier, faster and better. Safe and considerate driving is everyone’s
responsibility and we wish you many years of happy and safe driving.
Clayton Boyd Walden, Director
Division of Motorist Services"
It is full of laws and rules. Perhaps you should read all 62 pages of it. http://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf

seashoreCM
04-11-2012, 01:39 PM
I *I for Interstate ;) although I'm not sure what the big deal is about an interstate highway, especially one entirely in the state. Florida has four, total. Little, itty-bitty Massachusetts, in comparison, has sixteen.
Hawaii has three (interstate highways), one ending smack dab in the middle of a military base.

Most of these highways were part of a Federal plan for a "national system of defense and interstate highways," developed back in the 1950's and federally funded. A few more were added later. They all had to be built to certain uniform standards which were higher than most state highways of the time.

Some portions were deleted. One such was I-95 through the center of Boston. For a long time there was a gap in I-95 proper between Woburn and Dedham until a portion of state route 128 (the former technology corridor going around the horn to the west) was re-designated I-95.

kaytieeldr
04-11-2012, 02:01 PM
My issue is, the OP keeps stressing (for those of us who must not know?) that "I satnds for interstate" - which appears to actually have little, if any, importance in the actual incident or discussion. More accurate and informative may have been that it's a limited access highway.

I'd still like to know why this excellent and experienced driver didn't use her directional when merging into the highway, and what happened to that fourth lane. Oh, and I'm also not clear on where, exactly, she saw the other driver's headlights. In her rear view mirror seated in her natural/normal driving position, great; any other way - straining to see in the rear view, using a side view mirror, craning her head left? Nope.

perdidochas
04-11-2012, 02:15 PM
*I for Interstate ;) although I'm not sure what the big deal is about an interstate highway, especially one entirely in the state. Florida has four, total. Little, itty-bitty Massachusetts, in comparison, has sixteen.

Florida has 1470 miles of Interstate. Massachussetts just 570.

goofy4tink
04-11-2012, 02:24 PM
PSA!!! IF you find yourself in any lane on a multiple laned highway (or interstate) and you feel that you are being followed too closely by the car behind you, you should be responsible and move over..get out of their way. It is not up to the public to enforce the speed limit.

This whole thing is getting ridiculous. I am not a know it all. But I am an adult who has been driving for close to 50 years. I get it. I know how to drive. I know how to merge. I know how to change lanes. And I know what to do if I'm being tailgated. I do not need a tutorial here. I do drive in Florida. I am fairly conversant with their particular rules of the road...almost exactly the same as here in Mass. My father, my son and my brother-in-law/sister-in-law all live in Florida. I have seen nothing different there than I have seen here. Period.

goofy4tink
04-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Florida has 1470 miles of Interstate. Massachussetts just 570.
True...and I'll tell you what....not even 128 at rush hour prepares you for 95 headed through the Palm Beach area...talk about nutty drivers.....80 mph, bumper to bumper.....:scared1:
Give me 1A from now on...sheesh.
And Tampa??? Do all those commuters really love their jobs that much??? Kinda peppy over there as well...and the lane changes they make, and all those left lane exits/entrances???? Oh dear God!!!

I asked my step-sister, the Broward Cty cop why Floridians drive like such nuts. Her response???? The major thoroughfares are so straight, and there are no hills or rises, that it's an invitation to speed and shoot in and out of lanes. The drivers have a false sense of security. And when you add the many left side entrances and exits off these streets??? If you aren't paying attention, you're in trouble. And believe me.....I've seen some really close calls. Give me hills and curvy roads any day.

sam_gordon
04-11-2012, 03:08 PM
Give me hills and curvy roads any day.
Do they come with yellow lights? :rotfl2:

kaytieeldr
04-11-2012, 04:12 PM
Florida has 1470 miles of Interstate. Massachussetts just 570.
Massachussetts is less than 1/6 the size of Florida, yet has over 1/3 as much interstate highway? http://m.wisegeek.com/how-big-are-the-states-in-america.htm. Cool :teeth:

But this thread isn't about whose state is better :) The little digs about "interstate" are only due to the OP's repeated insistence in reminding readers that the "I" in I-4 stands for interstate... despite that information being unnecessary.

chartle
04-11-2012, 04:37 PM
Florida is less than 1/6 the size of Florida, yet has over 1/3 as much interstate highway? http://m.wisegeek.com/how-big-are-the-states-in-america.htm. Cool :teeth:

But this thread isn't about whose state is better :) The little digs about "interstate" are only due to the OP's repeated insistence in reminding readers that the "I" in I-4 stands for interstate... despite that information being unnecessary.

Might want to fix that. ;)

kaytieeldr
04-11-2012, 04:45 PM
Might want to fix that. ;)
Not only might, but did! Thanks for the catch, chartle!!! eta: if the two states were the same size, Massachusetts would have 3,551.1 miles of interstate ;)

But again, it's not about what the highway's designated :rolleyes1

chartle
04-11-2012, 04:51 PM
Massachussetts is less than 1/6 the size of Florida, yet has over 1/3 as much interstate highway? http://m.wisegeek.com/how-big-are-the-states-in-america.htm. Cool :teeth:

But this thread isn't about whose state is better :) The little digs about "interstate" are only due to the OP's repeated insistence in reminding readers that the "I" in I-4 stands for interstate... despite that information being unnecessary.


Pennsylvania has more than Florida and Massachusetts, where do I collect my prize. :goodvibes

gmeh1
04-12-2012, 12:43 PM
My issue is, the OP keeps stressing (for those of us who must not know?) that "I satnds for interstate" - which appears to actually have little, if any, importance in the actual incident or discussion. More accurate and informative may have been that it's a limited access highway.

I'd still like to know why this excellent and experienced driver didn't use her directional when merging into the highway, and what happened to that fourth lane. Oh, and I'm also not clear on where, exactly, she saw the other driver's headlights. In her rear view mirror seated in her natural/normal driving position, great; any other way - straining to see in the rear view, using a side view mirror, craning her head left? Nope.

Limited access works. Yep, there is a 4th lane in that area and the only left exit that I can recall in that area is the one around Universal. There are not very many left exits or entrances on I (we know what that means, don't we, lol :rotfl:)4 in the Orlando/Disney area. You make some excellent observations.

goofy4tink
04-12-2012, 02:57 PM
Limited access works. Yep, there is a 4th lane in that area and the only left exit that I can recall in that area is the one around Universal. There are not very many left exits or entrances on I (we know what that means, don't we, lol :rotfl:)4 in the Orlando/Disney area. You make some excellent observations.
Please...don't encourage her...she'll be unbearable!!:thumbsup2:lmao:

seashoreCM
04-13-2012, 06:48 AM
...not on interstates.. do you not get what I am saying.. did you not read all of the statue? I went to college in NY so when you are joking about education, guess NY is a joke too then ...
I won't tell you exactly where the hidden Mickey is on it so you will have to read the entire statue in the middle of the traffic circle* in front of Cinderella Castle.

Disney hints: http://www.cockam.com/dismick.htm#mkscav

* If we need to make a sticky regarding traffic rules, they should be traffic rules for pedestrians, manually powered vehicles (strollers, etc.) and motor vehicles (scooters, etc.) inside the parks.