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LadyBeBop
03-13-2012, 05:11 PM
A friend's daughter is due in early June. My friend is thinking about taking the family (newborn included) to Niagara Falls, Ontario for the 4th of July.

1) Can the newborn get a passport within two to three weeks without going to a expedited passport center. The closest one to here is six hours away.

2) Will the newborn (and for that matter, her older sister) have problems getting the passport with their father being an undocumented alien? Baby daddy is in and out of the picture. And no, he will not accompany the family to Niagara Falls.

As always, many thanks. :thumbsup2

pr surfer
03-13-2012, 05:38 PM
If you pay to have it expedited, and pay to have it overnighted both ways, you SHOULD get it within that timeframe.

There should be no issues with the dad, since as long as the child is born in the US, under the 14th amendment the child is a US citizen.

Unfortunately the only way to guarantee it is to go in person, with a plane ticket within two weeks, which doesn't help if you plan on crossing the border by land. The easiest, but temporarily extremely expensive way to do this is to get an early appointment at an agency, buy a fully refundable international plane ticket for that same day, and once you get your passport, cancel the ticket and get a refund. But that's unrealistic for most people.

In short, this needs to happen tomorrow: pictures, applications, and fees all paid, and sent overnight, with either enough payment to pay for overnight return, or a prepaid/preaddressed envelope for it to be returned in (I suggest paying attention to the tracking numbers for the return, since you'll know when your passport will get back to you.

ancestry
03-13-2012, 06:15 PM
There should be no issues with the dad, since as long as the child is born in the US, under the 14th amendment the child is a US citizen.



This isn't quite true. Yes, the child is eligible for a passport but can't get one without either dad appearing in person or without dad signing a notarized statement.

For children 14 and under either both parents must appear in the passport issuing office/center (post office) or must send in a notarized statement.

Copies and pasted from http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

The minor and both parents (or guardians) must appear in person to submit Form DS-11 at an acceptance facility or a passport agency...Parent(s)/Guardian(s) must submit evidence of their relationship to the minor applicant...When applying for a minor under age 16, both parent(s)/guardian(s) must present acceptable identification at the time of application.

If both parents can not appear than one parent must:

Appear in person with the minor
Sign Form DS-11 in front of an Acceptance Agent
Submit the second parents' notarized Statement of Consent (Form DS-3053)

So bottom line is the child can not get a passport without both parent's consent. If dad can't go to the passport issuing agency he must sign a notarized statement of consent.

Lewisc
03-13-2012, 06:25 PM
Kids under 16 can enter Canada by land or sea with just a certified copy of their birth certificate. You can either drive the entire distance or fly into Buffalo then rent a car.

VAfamily1998
03-13-2012, 06:39 PM
You didn't say if they were planning to drive or fly, but just as an FYI a lot of airlines will not allow babies under 2 weeks to fly. Since the baby is due in early June, if she is born pretty late, that might put them close to that 2 week mark...

LadyBeBop
03-13-2012, 08:23 PM
You didn't say if they were planning to drive or fly, but just as an FYI a lot of airlines will not allow babies under 2 weeks to fly. Since the baby is due in early June, if she is born pretty late, that might put them close to that 2 week mark...

They plan to drive.

Did not know about only needing the birth certificate. That is good to know.

dzorn
03-13-2012, 08:30 PM
They plan to drive.

Did not know about only needing the birth certificate. That is good to know.

But it may take a some time to get an official certificate. When I worked at the hospital we told the parents to wait at least 2 weeks for the paperwork to be filed.

FYI a mother just giving birth should not be driving.

Denise in MI

momof3ds
03-13-2012, 08:53 PM
Even with driving, you need notarized consent from the other parent if both parents are not present.

LadyBeBop
03-14-2012, 06:40 AM
Thanks for the replies thus far. A few things.

1) New mommy won't be driving. Her parents (Grandma and Grandpa) will drive.

2) My friend (Grandma) said that there is an expediated center in Buffalo. Is it enough to make the appointment in Buffalo, and travel into Canada the following day?

3) My friend also told me...Baby Daddy isn't on the elder sibling's birth certificate. No one knows why (maybe he didn't want his name on, maybe they wouldn't put it on because of his legal status). Because of that, would he have to sign off on the her passport?

Again, thanks. :grouphug:

tjmw2727
03-14-2012, 07:09 AM
Have you checked the official website?
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html

I recently applied for passports for my dd's at the local post office and received them at my home in about 2 weeks.

Lewisc
03-14-2012, 07:52 AM
Absolutely no reason to get a passport, expediated or not, for the infant.

If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/74/kw/newborn%20birth%20certificate

right from the state department website.

Consent of the daddy is a separate issue and I don't think using a passport instead of a birth certificate changes anything.

A passport would be needed if their was an emergency and you wanted to fly home. Really not an issue. Chances are you'd fly out of Buffalo.

edited to add I'm not qualified to comment on the advisability of taking a newborn on a somewhat long road trip. You might want to talk to your child's pediatrician.

bumbershoot
03-14-2012, 07:08 PM
3) My friend also told me...Baby Daddy isn't on the elder sibling's birth certificate. No one knows why (maybe he didn't want his name on, maybe they wouldn't put it on because of his legal status). Because of that, would he have to sign off on the her passport?

Again, thanks. :grouphug:

The trip just sounds really miserable for new mom....


On this part (http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/minors/minors_834.html#step7minor) of the passport page, you can see they walk you through the "if, then" scenarios.

I would imagine that since the dad isn't on the BC, he doesn't have any sort of custody. Since that would mean she's the sole custodian of the child, she follows the scenario for that.


I would say that the situation woudl apply if just using the BC. Bring that, if she has legal paperwork about custody bring that, etc.

DebbieB
03-14-2012, 08:15 PM
I would think about leaving the dad off the birth certificate. He's in and out of her life and an undocumented alien. He probably does not want traced. Probably why he's not on the elder child's BC.

Betty Rohrer
03-14-2012, 10:12 PM
know you did not ask for but somethings we found out with a very young baby a few years back. anything that requires a raincoat, mom can not wear baby under her coat. had to wrap tiny baby in a childs raincoat. he was like four weeks old and was not allowed under mom's coat on any ride. another thing to think about. we did take him on all of them.

ancestry
03-15-2012, 08:12 AM
Generally speaking....not being on a birth certificate does not mean that the father is disregarded as being the father for the purposes of issuing a passport.

This is a unique/special situation and the person in question really needs to contact the U.S. Department of State for direction regarding their situation.

crashbb
03-15-2012, 09:39 AM
know you did not ask for but somethings we found out with a very young baby a few years back. anything that requires a raincoat, mom can not wear baby under her coat. had to wrap tiny baby in a childs raincoat. he was like four weeks old and was not allowed under mom's coat on any ride. another thing to think about. we did take him on all of them.

I am not sure what you mean by "anything that requires a raincoat", but maybe you mean rides at WDW/DL (though I cannot think of anything that "requires" a raincoat - I know that I've never worn one).

However, the baby (and its family) are travelling to Canada (Niagara Falls specifically), so it isn't relevant anyway (assuming you are talking about rides).

OP - the little one is fine with a birth certificate. Not sure about the issue with father's consent, but I would second ancesty's suggestion of contacting the U.S. Department of State (though I doubt that it is a unique issue).

kamik86
03-15-2012, 09:55 AM
I am not sure what you mean by "anything that requires a raincoat", but maybe you mean rides at WDW/DL (though I cannot think of anything that "requires" a raincoat - I know that I've never worn one).

However, the baby (and its family) are travelling to Canada (Niagara Falls specifically), so it isn't relevant anyway (assuming you are talking about rides).

OP - the little one is fine with a birth certificate. Not sure about the issue with father's consent, but I would second ancesty's suggestion of contacting the U.S. Department of State (though I doubt that it is a unique issue).

I assume the poster was referring to things like maid of the mist where you take a boat under the falls and you wear a raincoat to avoid getting soaked in the splash.

pr surfer
03-15-2012, 10:08 AM
At this point, I will tell you that it's time to contact the passport agency for answers, rather than relying on an internet message board and friends :)


However...

2) My friend (Grandma) said that there is an expediated center in Buffalo. Is it enough to make the appointment in Buffalo, and travel into Canada the following day?

...in my experience, a verbal declaration that you will "cross the border tomorrow" will not be enough to get a same-day passport. They require a plane ticket.

Betty Rohrer
03-15-2012, 10:51 AM
i was talking about rides or activites at Niagara Falls. this comes from a trip we took to meet family with an almost 4 week old. this happened on Ride the Mist and all other things there, not Disney. so i think it does apply to what they were talking about.

crashbb
03-15-2012, 10:58 AM
i was talking about rides or activites at Niagara Falls. this comes from a trip we took to meet family with an almost 4 week old. this happened on Ride the Mist and all other things there, not Disney. so i think it does apply to what they were talking about.

I see.

Lewisc
03-15-2012, 12:40 PM
At this point, I will tell you that it's time to contact the passport agency for answers, rather than relying on an internet message board and friends :)



It's probably time to stop listening to internet friends who suggest a passport is even necessary.

If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.
I already posted this, a direct quote from the customs website.

The issue is if a newborn should be taking a long trip. Should review that with their doctor and not internet friends. This is the kind of trip which can be cancelled with short notice, if necessary.

The other issue is what kind of consent is needed from the father. A letter signed and notarized from the father is what's needed. A lot easier then not listing the father on the BC and claiming she doesn't know who the father is. That explanation sure sounds like a mother taking a child without the consent of the father.

THIS WHOLE THREAD IS NEEDLESSLY COMPLICATED. BC and gov't photo ID for anyone over 15. BC for any child 15 and younger. Hospital issued BC for a newborn.

Notarized letter from the father giving permission to leave the country.

Passports cover the possibility of having to fly home, due to an emergency. Not really applicable. They'd be flying from Buffalo.

crashbb
03-15-2012, 01:44 PM
If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.
I already posted this, a direct quote from the customs website.



But will the Canadian governement accept it? My guess is "yes", but I'd check with the country I'm trying not enter (as well as the country I'm trying to return to).

Lewisc
03-15-2012, 01:59 PM
But will the Canadian governement accept it? My guess is "yes", but I'd check with the country I'm trying not enter (as well as the country I'm trying to return to).

US citizens don't need a VISA to visit Canada. What they need is proof they have whatever requirements are necessary to comply with US requirements for reentry back in to the United States.

I'd be more concerned with having permission of the father.

dzorn
03-15-2012, 02:03 PM
It's probably time to stop listening to internet friends who suggest a passport is even necessary.

If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.
I already posted this, a direct quote from the customs website.

The issue is if a newborn should be taking a long trip. Should review that with their doctor and not internet friends. This is the kind of trip which can be cancelled with short notice, if necessary.

The other issue is what kind of consent is needed from the father. A letter signed and notarized from the father is what's needed. A lot easier then not listing the father on the BC and claiming she doesn't know who the father is. That explanation sure sounds like a mother taking a child without the consent of the father.

THIS WHOLE THREAD IS NEEDLESSLY COMPLICATED. BC and gov't photo ID for anyone over 15. BC for any child 15 and younger. Hospital issued BC for a newborn.

Notarized letter from the father giving permission to leave the country.

Passports cover the possibility of having to fly home, due to an emergency. Not really applicable. They'd be flying from Buffalo.

When I worked at the a birthing center we did not issue certificates parents had to wait for the official ones.

Denise in MI

bumbershoot
03-15-2012, 04:15 PM
When I worked at the a birthing center we did not issue certificates parents had to wait for the official ones.

Denise in MI

Good call. I'm mystified by this hospital certificate thing. I've heard of people getting them in years past, but we certainly didn't get one for DS, I don't have one for me, and so on.


OP your friend needs to figure out if she has sole custody or not, she needs to contact her local registrar's office to find out the ETA on a birth certificate once baby is here, basically she needs to be figuring this out. She is the one who has all the info, and she almost certainly would be the best at figuring this all out, rather than you getting the info while getting piecemeal info from her.

there's the state dept website, there are both US and Canada websites on what's needed to get through, etc etc, the info is out there for her. So it's now up to her to figure out her situation and go from there.

Lewisc
03-15-2012, 06:12 PM
When I worked at the a birthing center we did not issue certificates parents had to wait for the official ones.

Denise in MI

That may be but I don't see anyway you'll be able to get a passport without an official birth certificate.

OrangeCountyCommuter
03-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Generally speaking....not being on a birth certificate does not mean that the father is disregarded as being the father for the purposes of issuing a passport.

This is a unique/special situation and the person in question really needs to contact the U.S. Department of State for direction regarding their situation.

Best Advice on here.

Passport or not, There can be issues when only ONE parent attempts to take a child out of the country. Due to the 'kidnapping' possiblity the family could be stopped. I would think some research besides "The Dis" needs to occur. (Really do you want to tell the border partrol an internet message board said "it's OK" LOL!)