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miatamel
02-13-2012, 05:08 PM
http://www.toronto.com/article/713406

No commentary from me about Whitney Houston but I thought this was interesting that she once took a Disney cruise with her family and this fellow passenger's remembrance of that trip.

What struck me was that they would close down so many things to other passengers for just one passenger. I would be pretty upset about that, particularly if you couldn't get a ressie for Palo (or the spa) the whole trip because one person requested it.

sissy_ib
02-13-2012, 05:19 PM
http://www.toronto.com/article/713406

No commentary from me about Whitney Houston but I thought this was interesting that she once took a Disney cruise with her family and this fellow passenger's remembrance of that trip.

What struck me was that they would close down so many things to other passengers for just one passenger. I would be pretty upset about that, particularly if you couldn't get a ressie for Palo (or the spa) the whole trip because one person requested it.

That is a very sad story. :sad1:
Feelings toward Whitney Houston aside, I find it terribly rude that any celebrity would use their status to block other guests from the ships amenities. :sad2: I understand some special treatment so they are not mobbed by people asking for autographs but to shut down Palo is taking it too far.

kcashner
02-13-2012, 05:27 PM
Interesting article.

I have been on the same cruise as celebrities on at least 3 occasions and never experienced anything like this. Yes, I saw them occupy the private dining room in Palo, but any guest can do this with an appropriately sized group booked in advance.

I saw Roy Disney in Sessions almost nightly, enjoying quiet time with his family. He was staying in a cat 3 because by the time he decided to cruise, the cabin bearing his father's name had been sold to a guest. I suspect he could have displaced that guest and demanded the cabin, but that didn't square with the gentleman I saw. We never "bothered" him as I believed that this was a family vacation and he deserved privacy, but he was always gracious with people who approached him.

The other 2 celebs are not as well known (Broadway stars), and probably wouldn't have the money to buy out the spa for a morning or whatever. However, again, our interactions were amazing gracious and FUN. My family participated as teammates with one of them--the ACD later pulled me aside and mentioned that the celeb said it was the most fun he'd had on the ship.

OH--and I forgot...Charo was on our TA cruise with her 46 (no kidding) pieces of luggage. Other than the time she was on stage, she could have been any other guest.

I don't know how far DCL would go for a big enough celeb who had enough money to buy out a venue and enough of a big head to thing they deserved it. If the article is true, I hope they included a big staff tip in the spa charge!

Patrickprincess
02-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Interesting article.

I have been on the same cruise as celebrities on at least 3 occasions and never experienced anything like this. Yes, I saw them occupy the private dining room in Palo, but any guest can do this with an appropriately sized group booked in advance.

I saw Roy Disney in Sessions almost nightly, enjoying quiet time with his family. He was staying in a cat 3 because by the time he decided to cruise, the cabin bearing his father's name had been sold to a guest. I suspect he could have displaced that guest and demanded the cabin, but that didn't square with the gentleman I saw. We never "bothered" him as I believed that this was a family vacation and he deserved privacy, but he was always gracious with people who approached him.

The other 2 celebs are not as well known (Broadway stars), and probably wouldn't have the money to buy out the spa for a morning or whatever. However, again, our interactions were amazing gracious and FUN. My family participated as teammates with one of them--the ACD later pulled me aside and mentioned that the celeb said it was the most fun he'd had on the ship.

OH--and I forgot...Charo was on our TA cruise with her 46 (no kidding) pieces of luggage. Other than the time she was on stage, she could have been any other guest.

I don't know how far DCL would go for a big enough celeb who had enough money to buy out a venue and enough of a big head to thing they deserved it. If the article is true, I hope they included a big staff tip in the spa charge!

That sucks! From what i heard the late princess Diana never went for that stuff. she would take her boys to local london resturants and the would waite thier trune. I belive she even repmained Harry for demaning speical treatments. I understand for security reasons there are some nut cases out there. But i know i would be upset if some celeb showed up on cruise and had the some of the ship closed. It's like when American's funniest viedo flims at wdw or disneyland they flime when the place closes at night. Also from what i heard Roy was a true gentlman and he loved his uncle and father.

mmouse37
02-13-2012, 05:45 PM
That is a very sad story. :sad1:
Feelings toward Whitney Houston aside, I find it terribly rude that any celebrity would use their status to block other guests from the ships amenities. :sad2: I understand some special treatment so they are not mobbed by people asking for autographs but to shut down Palo is taking it too far.

We sailed the cruise right after that and in talking with different CM's onboard they said they were very difficult guests....very difficult.

MJ

FJS961
02-13-2012, 05:48 PM
Interesting article.


I don't know how far DCL would go for a big enough celeb who had enough money to buy out a venue and enough of a big head to thing they deserved it. If the article is true, I hope they included a big staff tip in the spa charge!

I wonder if she bought any products from the spa? :lmao:
kidding, the article says she was a no show.

I find it a little odd that a MAJOR celebrity would cruise DCL unless it was for publicity. I mean, don't these folks usually charter (or own) some large PRIVATE yacht to vacation on???

mmouse37
02-13-2012, 05:50 PM
I wonder if she bought any products from the spa? :lmao:
kidding, the article says she was a no show.

I find it a little odd that a MAJOR celebrity would cruise DCL unless it was for publicity. I mean, don't these folks usually charter (or own) some large PRIVATE yacht to vacation on???

You would be surprised.....I am looking for the thread now about the celebs/past presidents that cruised DCL.

MJ

extechie rbd/wdt
02-13-2012, 05:54 PM
I can only think it was an unselfish vacation for her daughter. Maybe she wanted a Disney cruise?
Her and Bobby's behavior once aboard is subject to perception.

On the other hand, James Belushi was a gentleman and really nice, and didn't even complain when I hit him in the mouth with a green bullet microphone accidentally! Whooop's! lol!

Ex Techie :)

miatamel
02-13-2012, 05:55 PM
I wonder if she bought any products from the spa? :lmao:
kidding, the article says she was a no show.

I find it a little odd that a MAJOR celebrity would cruise DCL unless it was for publicity. I mean, don't these folks usually charter (or own) some large PRIVATE yacht to vacation on???

I'm sure they do but my guess on this one is the six year old was prime age for Disney and all its characters.

shelbell77
02-13-2012, 05:58 PM
Wow....I'm definitely all for keeping this as normal as possible for all around, otherwise I wish celebs would opt for more private trips.

Mom encountered both Julie Andrews and Antonio Bandares on the same WDW trip one year. Neither demanding special attention. She actually sat at a table next to Julie Andews at California Grill and waited in line for a water slide at Blizzard Beach with Antonio Banderas.

Florida Dreamin'
02-13-2012, 06:01 PM
We were on the Dream last January for a pre-MV cruise that had numerous celebrities. None seemed to have compared to this type of treatment, maybe some are just more down to Earth. Sad such things had to happen to normal guests on a Disney Cruise.

Donna3271
02-13-2012, 06:08 PM
I wonder if she bought any products from the spa? :lmao:
kidding, the article says she was a no show.

I find it a little odd that a MAJOR celebrity would cruise DCL unless it was for publicity. I mean, don't these folks usually charter (or own) some large PRIVATE yacht to vacation on???

People love Disney. By no means do we have the money Whitney Houston had, but we do have a 40ft Sea Ray and summer home on the water, and we LOVE cruising DCL. I think their daughter must have wanted to go. My children LOVE DCL and they are on the water all the time.

Disney Dreams
02-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.

Because of Houston? Nope.

Richard Ouzounian (the author) took a four day cruise TWELVE years ago. And he chooses to write about his observations from a few brief moments on a beach mere days after the subject of his rant dies?

Tacky.
Rude.
Unnecessary.

Maybe everything happened as he says. I doubt it, but okay, let's say it did.

His part about Castaway Cay is just ridiculous: "And as the 30 minutes dragged on, her voice got louder and louder, an instrument I had only heard before making melodious music now being used to chastise young Bobbi. We left before it got much worse, but it cast an unpleasant shadow on the day and, to tell the truth, on the whole trip."

Oh no! You mean you saw a parent on a Disney vacation who was disciplining their child? I have never seen that! Ever. Goodness, I've seen it more times than I can even begin to count. On a DCL ship, at DLR, at WDW, in DtD shops, everywhere. Like millions of others, she's a mother.

And then his closing (roll eyes): "And when the news broke on Sunday afternoon that Bobbi Kristina Brown, now 18, had been rushed to the hospital as well, I thought back to that day on the beach and wondered about the scars that a childhood filled with scenes like that might have caused."

Her mother died! Unexpectedly! She's 18!

You are seriously connecting her mother disciplining her on the beach 12 years ago to how she reacted to the sudden, highly-publicized death of her mother? Heck, I've got "scars" from childhood. I had "scenes like that" in my childhood. Luckily, I have never had someone who saw tiny glimpses of random minutes of a family vacation over a decade ago write about me or my family within days of a devastating loss.

Whitney Houston lived every minute of her life - even her private life - in the spotlight. Can't Richard Ouzounian let her die in peace? Apparently he cannot.

- Dreams

MaleficentRN
02-13-2012, 06:31 PM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.



:thumbsup2

SoCaOC-Mom
02-13-2012, 06:37 PM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.

Because of Houston? Nope.

Richard Ouzounian (the author) took a four day cruise TWELVE years ago. And he chooses to write about his observations from a few brief moments on a beach mere days after the subject of his rant dies?

Tacky.
Rude.
Unnecessary.

Maybe everything happened as he says. I doubt it, but okay, let's say it did.

His part about Castaway Cay is just ridiculous: "And as the 30 minutes dragged on, her voice got louder and louder, an instrument I had only heard before making melodious music now being used to chastise young Bobbi. We left before it got much worse, but it cast an unpleasant shadow on the day and, to tell the truth, on the whole trip."

Oh no! You mean you saw a parent on a Disney vacation who was disciplining their child? I have never seen that! Ever. Goodness, I've seen it more times than I can even begin to count. On a DCL ship, at DLR, at WDW, in DtD shops, everywhere. Like millions of others, she's a mother.

And then his closing (roll eyes): "And when the news broke on Sunday afternoon that Bobbi Kristina Brown, now 18, had been rushed to the hospital as well, I thought back to that day on the beach and wondered about the scars that a childhood filled with scenes like that might have caused."

Her mother died! Unexpectedly! She's 18!

You are seriously connecting her mother disciplining her on the beach 12 years ago to how she reacted to the sudden, highly-publicized death of her mother? Heck, I've got "scars" from childhood. I had "scenes like that" in my childhood. Luckily, I have never had someone who saw tiny glimpses of random minutes of a family vacation over a decade ago write about me or my family within days of a devastating loss.

Whitney Houston lived every minute of her life - even her private life - in the spotlight. Can't Richard Ouzounian let her die in peace? Apparently he cannot.

- Dreams

I remember watching a few episodes of their ill fated reality show, which left enough of an impression on me that I tend to beleive the writers impression of both Bobby and Whitney as accurate.

I hardly doubt that someone recollecting a brief accounted with her 12 years ago will have her rolling over in her grave- given the speculations that surround her death.

Maybe you are the only one who is completely unaware of her and Bobby's long history of drug use and other turbulent behavior, but my guess is that is what the writer is referring to when suggesting Bobbi had a scarred childhood.

While you might be of the persuasion about letting someone rest in peace, I am of the opinion that I don't need to romanticize someones chaotic life and premature death.

mmouse37
02-13-2012, 06:38 PM
Here is one past thread.....but I remember a really long one from before 2005...can't find it.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2783710


MJ

KBT35
02-13-2012, 06:40 PM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.

Because of Houston? Nope.

Richard Ouzounian (the author) took a four day cruise TWELVE years ago. And he chooses to write about his observations from a few brief moments on a beach mere days after the subject of his rant dies?

Tacky.
Rude.
Unnecessary.

Maybe everything happened as he says. I doubt it, but okay, let's say it did.

His part about Castaway Cay is just ridiculous: "And as the 30 minutes dragged on, her voice got louder and louder, an instrument I had only heard before making melodious music now being used to chastise young Bobbi. We left before it got much worse, but it cast an unpleasant shadow on the day and, to tell the truth, on the whole trip."

Oh no! You mean you saw a parent on a Disney vacation who was disciplining their child? I have never seen that! Ever. Goodness, I've seen it more times than I can even begin to count. On a DCL ship, at DLR, at WDW, in DtD shops, everywhere. Like millions of others, she's a mother.

And then his closing (roll eyes): "And when the news broke on Sunday afternoon that Bobbi Kristina Brown, now 18, had been rushed to the hospital as well, I thought back to that day on the beach and wondered about the scars that a childhood filled with scenes like that might have caused."

Her mother died! Unexpectedly! She's 18!

You are seriously connecting her mother disciplining her on the beach 12 years ago to how she reacted to the sudden, highly-publicized death of her mother? Heck, I've got "scars" from childhood. I had "scenes like that" in my childhood. Luckily, I have never had someone who saw tiny glimpses of random minutes of a family vacation over a decade ago write about me or my family within days of a devastating loss.

Whitney Houston lived every minute of her life - even her private life - in the spotlight. Can't Richard Ouzounian let her die in peace? Apparently he cannot.

- Dreams

I second your sentiment this is exactly what irked me about the article and the post and why I didn't respond upon first reading it...I didn't want to give this thread any meat! Ugh....sigh....I just did! RIP Whitney may you finally find your peace from the demons that haunted your earthly life! :sad1:

Disney Dreams
02-13-2012, 06:45 PM
...
Maybe you are the only one who is completely unaware of her and Bobby's long history of drug use and other turbulent behavior...
Nope, I'm aware. Well, I'm aware of what we have been told and shown by the media. I am also aware that is not necessarily an accurate representation. I am aware, though, of what we as fans have seen publicly.

While you might be of the persuasion about letting someone rest in peace, I am of the opinion that I don't need to romanticize someones chaotic life and premature death.
I completely agree with you about not romanticizing someone else's life or death. I also do not belief in capitalizing on someone else's death mere days after their passing to write my opinion of them based on VERY brief passings during a vacation I took 12 years prior.

- Dreams

pdwimmer
02-13-2012, 06:49 PM
I understand the need to gossip about someone who was so talented and in the public eye. She has passed and gone to God now. Rest in peace.

Shell54
02-13-2012, 10:42 PM
Wow this writer earned himself the title of Gawker's worst Whitney Houston memories on the web and he SO deserves it.He's a pompous jerk:eek:As Gawker writes, many writers were smart and informative in their memories of Ms. Houston..others, like this guy made it all about him. Let the woman and her amazing talent RIP. She lived in Mendham,NJ for several years ( a town near me) while her daughter was little and no one said a bad word about her.

http://gawker.com/5884721/the-worst-remembrances-of-whitney-houston-on-the-internet

Silly Little Pixie
02-14-2012, 12:07 AM
When I sailed concierge last year on the Wonder, we were talking about celebrities who had sailed on DCL with our concierge host. He had some really nice things to say about some folks. However, he did say that Whitney Houston was so demanding that the Captain threatened to put her off the ship! I haven't read the thread or article in the OP's post. Just saying that CM's still recalled some bad behavior by her many years later-and long before her recent passing.

TDC Nala
02-14-2012, 07:36 AM
If she'd been in Palo by herself or just with a couple folks I get it, but she paid to book the entire restaurant for her entourage. Anyone who has the cash has the opportunity to do that. I don't think they shut it down specifically FOR her without her paying for the privilege. Even if she didn't show up.

I don't read from the article that she paid to have Palo shut down every night of the cruise just in case she felt like she wanted to go there, if they let her do that it's a bit ridiculous.

If Bobby was buying drinks for the house it would have been cool to be in the bar with him, though.

SharonLowe
02-14-2012, 07:52 AM
Wow this writer earned himself the title of Gawker's worst Whitney Houston memories on the web and he SO deserves it.He's a pompous jerk:eek:As Gawker writes, many writers were smart and informative in their memories of Ms. Houston..others, like this guy made it all about him. Let the woman and her amazing talent RIP. She lived in Mendham,NJ for several years ( a town near me) while her daughter was little and no one said a bad word about her.

http://gawker.com/5884721/the-worst-remembrances-of-whitney-houston-on-the-internet

I so agree with this sentiment. I also question the information he provided - how did he know her kid was in the club from start to finish, unless of course, his kid was also in there the whole time? Why would someone go so far to have privacy and then allow mere mortals to sit next to her on the family beach? Remembering something from 12 years ago is pretty hard.....embellishing it is pretty easy.

RIP Whitney; you are finally free from the demons who took over your life.

CandyMandy
02-14-2012, 09:44 AM
I am of the opinion that I don't need to romanticize someones chaotic life and premature death.

::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes:: ::yes::

Interestingly, in most prior cases of premature celebrity deaths, the focus on the obvious failings of the deceased starts out loud but quickly softens.

But in the case of Houston, I actually see things going the other way. There is a clear, visceral reaction emerging to the attempts to deify and "steam clean" her. She wasn't a martyr. She wasn't a saint. Yes, she was once graced with musical gifts...but what she will be remembered for is throwing them all away for drugs and depravity. :sad2:

Daniellenbella
02-14-2012, 11:35 AM
Nope, I'm aware. Well, I'm aware of what we have been told and shown by the media. I am also aware that is not necessarily an accurate representation. I am aware, though, of what we as fans have seen publicly.


I completely agree with you about not romanticizing someone else's life or death. I also do not belief in capitalizing on someone else's death mere days after their passing to write my opinion of them based on VERY brief passings during a vacation I took 12 years prior.

- Dreams

100% agree with your first post & this one.

CandyMandy
02-14-2012, 11:43 PM
When I sailed concierge last year on the Wonder, we were talking about celebrities who had sailed on DCL with our concierge host. He had some really nice things to say about some folks. However, he did say that Whitney Houston was so demanding that the Captain threatened to put her off the ship! I haven't read the thread or article in the OP's post. Just saying that CM's still recalled some bad behavior by her many years later-and long before her recent passing.

Thank you for sharing this...and it is quite noteworthy that those bashing the article the OP posted have completely ignored the supporting evidence for it provided in your post by a DCL concierge host! I'll take that credible reference and the article over any of the "it can't be correct/how dare he speak ill of her" things being posted here.

And to that crowd, yes, I don't feel sorry for Whitney. :mad:

I feel sorry for her child...her family...and the others she abandoned.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01453/SNN1405AN---532_1453161a.jpg

DisneyOHFan
02-15-2012, 08:11 AM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.

Because of Houston? Nope.

Richard Ouzounian (the author) took a four day cruise TWELVE years ago. And he chooses to write about his observations from a few brief moments on a beach mere days after the subject of his rant dies?

Tacky.
Rude.
Unnecessary.

And then his closing (roll eyes): "And when the news broke on Sunday afternoon that Bobbi Kristina Brown, now 18, had been rushed to the hospital as well, I thought back to that day on the beach and wondered about the scars that a childhood filled with scenes like that might have caused."

Her mother died! Unexpectedly! She's 18!

Whitney Houston lived every minute of her life - even her private life - in the spotlight. Can't Richard Ouzounian let her die in peace? Apparently he cannot.

- Dreams

Thank you. I thought the same thing as I read this. I may not agree with her lifestyle, but a woman lost her daughter, a child lost her mother and to take her death as an opportunity to bash someone for a situation that happened years ago is disgusting.

lilpooh108
02-15-2012, 09:18 AM
This article is the stupidest thing I've read in a while. He spent less than 30 minutes watching her reprimand her 6 YO on a beach while on vacation and that leads him to conclude that her daughter is scarred for life and that's why she ended up in a hospital? Uh, how about she had an anxiety attack from being 3000 miles away from home when her mother passed away? Rude.

If that's what qualifies a person to write an article for a newspaper, I've got some pretty brilliant observations:

--I once saw John Lithgow walking his dog near his home. I never once heard him praise his animal for pottying. John Lithgow hates animals.

--I once saw Pamela Anderson shopping at a mall with bodyguards. The bodyguards made everyone stay 20 feet away from her even though she was walking in a public space. Pamel Anderson has bad BO.

--I once saw Jay Leno in a food court at 10pm. When we walked past my group of friends, he did not smile or say hi. Jay Leno hates women.

--My husband saw Jude Law in the Labor & Delivery ward when he volunteered there the night Jude Law's SO was having a baby. DH said that Jude Law was broken out in zits. Jude Law does not wash his face.

--I saw Brooke Burke in an airport once, sitting by herself. Brooke Burke has no friends.

I mean, seriously.

Shell54
02-15-2012, 09:46 AM
This article is the stupidest thing I've read in a while. He spent less than 30 minutes watching her reprimand her 6 YO on a beach while on vacation and that leads him to conclude that her daughter is scarred for life and that's why she ended up in a hospital? Uh, how about she had an anxiety attack from being 3000 miles away from home when her mother passed away? Rude.

If that's what qualifies a person to write an article for a newspaper, I've got some pretty brilliant observations:

--I once saw John Lithgow walking his dog near his home. I never once heard him praise his animal for pottying. John Lithgow hates animals.

--I once saw Pamela Anderson shopping at a mall with bodyguards. The bodyguards made everyone stay 20 feet away from her even though she was walking in a public space. Pamel Anderson has bad BO.

--I once saw Jay Leno in a food court at 10pm. When we walked past my group of friends, he did not smile or say hi. Jay Leno hates women.

--My husband saw Jude Law in the Labor & Delivery ward when he volunteered there the night Jude Law's SO was having a baby. DH said that Jude Law was broken out in zits. Jude Law does not wash his face.

--I saw Brooke Burke in an airport once, sitting by herself. Brooke Burke has no friends.

I mean, seriously.

:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2:thumbsup2 I couldn't agree with you more:goodvibes Some people get off on being the judgment police though. It's a shame, especially when the person they're judging can't defend themselves.

Tower
02-15-2012, 10:00 AM
I remember watching a few episodes of their ill fated reality show, which left enough of an impression on me that I tend to beleive the writers impression of both Bobby and Whitney as accurate.

I hardly doubt that someone recollecting a brief accounted with her 12 years ago will have her rolling over in her grave- given the speculations that surround her death.

Maybe you are the only one who is completely unaware of her and Bobby's long history of drug use and other turbulent behavior, but my guess is that is what the writer is referring to when suggesting Bobbi had a scarred childhood.

While you might be of the persuasion about letting someone rest in peace, I am of the opinion that I don't need to romanticize someones chaotic life and premature death.
Thanks for those comments, agree whole heartedly! I found the link was very informative, regardless of the naysayers.

MomsOf2boys
02-15-2012, 10:51 AM
I can only think it was an unselfish vacation for her daughter. Maybe she wanted a Disney cruise?
Her and Bobby's behavior once aboard is subject to perception.

On the other hand, James Belushi was a gentleman and really nice, and didn't even complain when I hit him in the mouth with a green bullet microphone accidentally! Whooop's! lol!

Ex Techie :)

LOL on the microphone incident. I bet you wanted to crawl under a rock.

shasess
02-15-2012, 01:15 PM
Ugh. That article nauseates me.

Because of Houston? Nope.

Richard Ouzounian (the author) took a four day cruise TWELVE years ago. And he chooses to write about his observations from a few brief moments on a beach mere days after the subject of his rant dies?

Tacky.
Rude.
Unnecessary.

Maybe everything happened as he says. I doubt it, but okay, let's say it did.

His part about Castaway Cay is just ridiculous: "And as the 30 minutes dragged on, her voice got louder and louder, an instrument I had only heard before making melodious music now being used to chastise young Bobbi. We left before it got much worse, but it cast an unpleasant shadow on the day and, to tell the truth, on the whole trip."

Oh no! You mean you saw a parent on a Disney vacation who was disciplining their child? I have never seen that! Ever. Goodness, I've seen it more times than I can even begin to count. On a DCL ship, at DLR, at WDW, in DtD shops, everywhere. Like millions of others, she's a mother.

And then his closing (roll eyes): "And when the news broke on Sunday afternoon that Bobbi Kristina Brown, now 18, had been rushed to the hospital as well, I thought back to that day on the beach and wondered about the scars that a childhood filled with scenes like that might have caused."

Her mother died! Unexpectedly! She's 18!

You are seriously connecting her mother disciplining her on the beach 12 years ago to how she reacted to the sudden, highly-publicized death of her mother? Heck, I've got "scars" from childhood. I had "scenes like that" in my childhood. Luckily, I have never had someone who saw tiny glimpses of random minutes of a family vacation over a decade ago write about me or my family within days of a devastating loss.

Whitney Houston lived every minute of her life - even her private life - in the spotlight. Can't Richard Ouzounian let her die in peace? Apparently he cannot.

- Dreams

:thumbsup2