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OrangeJax
10-31-2011, 08:59 PM
You were warned... sorry this is long...

So, my mom and dad are planning their first "adults only" trip since they first got married over 30 years ago. When my mom called to book their trip a few weeks ago, she specifically asked when she could make her dining reservations. (I was there... I heard it.) She was told October 31. They are going for 10 days, and the CM on the phone said that they could make their ADRs 180+10 days, or 190 days, out.

Now, when my mom said this back to me, I thought for sure she was misquoting the CM, and that it was 180 days, +10 to get through their reservation.

Well, when my mom called to make ADRs today, the day the CM TOLD HER to call, she was told she called 10 days early. She was told that "many people have that misconception that it means 190 days, but it's actually 180 days from your first day of your reservation" (which is what I understood.) My mom was disappointed, and told the CM (without a hint of anger) that she was SPECIFICALLY given that date by a Disney representative.

Now, my mom is going to call back in 10 days - she doesn't mind... but shouldn't the CMs KNOW what their own policy is? And then, be able to inform their clients accordingly?!?!

Thanks for letting me vent!:headache:

mistysue
10-31-2011, 09:03 PM
That is sad, I feel sorry for you mom. I get so excited to call and that would be the worst let down.

I actually changed my vacation next year so I can do ADR's on my birthday...

richkorn
10-31-2011, 09:08 PM
CM should know that. 180 days from when you arrive and you can book all ADRs for up to 10 days.

The 180 + 10 thing is a little deceiving.

Tell mom to have a tentative schedule layed out and book all desired ADRs that morning at 6am online at 180 days.

vicki_c
10-31-2011, 10:10 PM
Quite a few cast members do not know what they are talking about. Sad, but it's no surprise to me. Just in the last few days there was a thread where someone was told to book a regular restaurant reservation and convert it to a Candlelight Processional package (not possible) and there's always threads on the Resorts boards with misinformation from reservations agents.

They will also say you can use multiple park ticket days to hop (not true) and various other wrong items.

So you're not really complaining about 180+10 at all, but about misinformed cast members.

OrangeJax
10-31-2011, 10:19 PM
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So you're not really complaining about 180+10 at all, but about misinformed cast members.

True! Thanks for letting me "vent" -- I just felt bad for my mom. I remember how excited I was to call for my ADRs for my April 2010 trip. ((I may or may not have taken a day off of work for that... but I won't tell!)) What a let down it was for her.

Like I said, she wasn't mad - just disappointed, and frustrated. I think I was more upset by it than she was!

Thanks for letting me know that I am not alone in this frustration!

Mom of 2, Wife of 1
11-01-2011, 01:06 AM
I don't see how it's confusing at all.

If it was ever 190 days out, why wouldn't Disney, CMs, all guests, everyone just say 190 days? Why would it ever be 180+10 -- for those only going for 10 days? No. It has always been obvious that it's 180 days out plus the length of your stay up to and including 10 days. Even if a CM gave out bad info, this is simple common sense.

latmck
11-01-2011, 09:39 AM
I don't see how it's confusing at all.

If it was ever 190 days out, why wouldn't Disney, CMs, all guests, everyone just say 190 days? Why would it ever be 180+10 -- for those only going for 10 days? No. It has always been obvious that it's 180 days out plus the length of your stay up to and including 10 days. Even if a CM gave out bad info, this is simple common sense.


It is confusing when it is your first time making ADRs & your first time at disney. Yes, I had to ask the cm last Nov about that 180+ 10. I asked does it really means 190 days. The the cm explained to me. It is confusing when its someone first time.

catne
11-01-2011, 11:05 AM
why bother calling...she could make all her reservations on line without having to deal with misinformed CMs.:thumbsup2

vicki_c
11-01-2011, 01:59 PM
I don't see how it's confusing at all.

If it was ever 190 days out, why wouldn't Disney, CMs, all guests, everyone just say 190 days? Why would it ever be 180+10 -- for those only going for 10 days? No. It has always been obvious that it's 180 days out plus the length of your stay up to and including 10 days. Even if a CM gave out bad info, this is simple common sense.

It is hugely confusing to people who haven't done it before, or recently - which is why there are probably 5 posts a week asking to have it explained. And why some cast members don't get it.

It is far from common sense - when they say 180+10, many people mistakenly assume that means they get an extra 10 day booking advantage over non-resort guests (which you might if you're staying 10 days) and they immediately assume that means 10 days before other guests can book, = 190 days out. So it's great that you get it, but tons of people don't.

latmck
11-01-2011, 02:17 PM
It is hugely confusing to people who haven't done it before, or recently - which is why there are probably 5 posts a week asking to have it explained. And why some cast members don't get it.

It is far from common sense - when they say 180+10, many people mistakenly assume that means they get an extra 10 day booking advantage over non-resort guests (which you might if you're staying 10 days) and they immediately assume that means 10 days before other guests can book, = 190 days out. So it's great that you get it, but tons of people don't.

Thank You!:thumbsup2

OrangeJax
11-01-2011, 09:27 PM
Thanks for all of the support... for my mom. ;o)

The thing that I just find most confusing is that the CM told my mom the date to call. It's not like she counted herself. She had the fore-thought to ask when she could call.

Anyway - she's 9 days away from being allowed to call now.

And as to why she didn't just make ressies online - she had some specific requests due to medical issues that both she and my father face. Otherwise, she totally would have.

Mom of 2, Wife of 1
11-01-2011, 10:51 PM
It is hugely confusing to people who haven't done it before, or recently - which is why there are probably 5 posts a week asking to have it explained. And why some cast members don't get it.

It is far from common sense - when they say 180+10, many people mistakenly assume that means they get an extra 10 day booking advantage over non-resort guests (which you might if you're staying 10 days) and they immediately assume that means 10 days before other guests can book, = 190 days out. So it's great that you get it, but tons of people don't.

Thank You!

No, if it was 190 days out then Disney would say 190 days. They don't say 190 days, they say 180+10 -- there is a difference. The only people who believe it's 190 days out are not listening, reading or paying full attention to the details or the literature. It doesn't bother me either way; I know how it works. But Disney isn't at fault for this. It's explained perfectly well on their website. All you have to do is be able to read.

mom2rtk
11-02-2011, 06:57 PM
No, if it was 190 days out then Disney would say 190 days. They don't say 190 days, they say 180+10 -- there is a difference. The only people who believe it's 190 days out are not listening, reading or paying full attention to the details or the literature. It doesn't bother me either way; I know how it works. But Disney isn't at fault for this. It's explained perfectly well on their website. All you have to do is be able to read.

If it was so easy to understand, then the CM would have given them the correct date to call in.

richkorn
11-03-2011, 07:27 PM
It is hugely confusing to people who haven't done it before, or recently - which is why there are probably 5 posts a week asking to have it explained. And why some cast members don't get it.

It is far from common sense - when they say 180+10, many people mistakenly assume that means they get an extra 10 day booking advantage over non-resort guests (which you might if you're staying 10 days) and they immediately assume that means 10 days before other guests can book, = 190 days out. So it's great that you get it, but tons of people don't.

X2

Thanks!

richkorn
11-03-2011, 08:02 PM
<!-- Listen Mom :) -- >

It can be confusing to people if they visit sites like these:

magicalkingdoms-dot-com/wdw/dining/cmcindgf.html
magicalkingdoms-dot-com/blog/2010/05/14/how-to-make-online-dining-reservations-for-disney-world/

(substitute .com for -dot-com in case it's not "obvious")


It was to me at first. But when i looked into it further I realized is was 180. that's why people are here - to ask questions. Not to be told that the answer is "It has always been obvious..."

Mom of 2, Wife of 1
11-03-2011, 10:38 PM
<!-- Listen Mom :) -- >

It can be confusing to people if they visit sites like these:

magicalkingdoms-dot-com/wdw/dining/cmcindgf.html
magicalkingdoms-dot-com/blog/2010/05/14/how-to-make-online-dining-reservations-for-disney-world/

(substitute .com for -dot-com in case it's not "obvious")


It was to me at first. But when i looked into it further I realized is was 180. that's why people are here - to ask questions. Not to be told that the answer is "It has always been obvious..."

That proves my point. You provided links to websites that are neither Disney owned nor operated. If they failed to explain the policy properly, that's their fault and yours for putting your faith and trust in the wrong sources. :confused3

tiredsigh
11-03-2011, 10:54 PM
That proves my point. You provided links to websites that are neither Disney owned nor operated. If they failed to explain the policy properly, that's their fault and yours for putting your faith and trust in the wrong sources. :confused3

Can you not let this go? :stir:

vicki_c
11-07-2011, 12:38 PM
Can you not let this go? :stir:

LOL - apparently not.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?p=43171118#post43171118

TDC Nala
11-07-2011, 12:51 PM
This is not the first time and will not be the last time that the dining line has given a guest incorrect information. Please don't start an argument here about it. It's been obvious on the boards that a lot of guests are confused or mistaken about 180 + 10 even if they don't get the wrong information from the dining line.

mickeyluv'r
11-07-2011, 10:51 PM
Getting a poorly trained CM is nothing new or rare. Indeed, if that's the only mistake, you shoudl almost consider yourself lucky. My most recent experience was FULL of MAJOR mistakes every step of the way:misquoted prices, wrong room category, names wrong, wrong email, and more.

About the only thing you can do is control your reaction to it. I'm not sure why calling back in ten days is such a big deal, especially since everyone has to wait the same ten days. Once you've verified THAT, then you're good.

(If it was the reverse situation, and you lost out on places you want to dine, that would be something to get upset about.)

Take this as a lesson learned, perhaps. Don't count on CMs to have to correct info.

That's part of why the DIS is SO great and SO useful.

If something sounds fishy when a CM says it - particularly the phone CM's - question it. (Not saying you had cause in this situation, but in the future) By the way, the onsite CM's are USUALLY MUCH more well informed.

Phone CM's are telephone operators, they are not at WDW, may have never been to WDW (But likely they DO like WDW), are likely getting paid low wages, and perhaps have not been onthe job all that long. Booking a trip to WDW is pretty complicated.

Just at the Contemporary alone - you have: Tower rooms, Bay Lake view Tower rooms, theme park view tower rooms - and right next door you have Bay Lake Tower - which is a completely different resort. Why they named it that I can't understand (At least if they decided it had to be that, they could have renamed the CR room categories.)

Also, at Many resorts the starter view is called "standard", but at some the starter room view is called "garden view." But then there are club level rooms, and the starter club level is called "standard club level," even though they have a 'garden' view. Still beyond that is 'deluxe rooms' which are another thing enitirely.

Not saying they shouldn't be able to do their job, but I can cut them a tiny bit of slack.

Mom of 2, Wife of 1
11-08-2011, 12:10 PM
With an entire Internet of information at your fingertips, you have no one to blame except the CM AND yourself.

tiredsigh
11-08-2011, 09:10 PM
:rolleyes: wow :rolleyes:

~armywife~
11-09-2011, 12:11 AM
just made reservations for our next trip to WDW, for christmas 2012 .. :woohoo:woohoo! haven't visited the DIS much in the past year, since our christmas 2010 at WDW, and i personally want to say thank you for all the info i get here. during the spring and summer of 2010, even though all the WDW websites said 180+10, it was common knowledge here at DIS (and quite a few people told WDW about it, but it wasn't changed) that reservations could be made at 190 days, even for day number 1 (some kind of glitch when making ressies online). with all the commotion i've seen on this thread :eek:, i know this isn't the case anymore.

too bad some of the DISboardsers aren't reflecting the 'happiest place on earth' mentality .. and just simply answering questions without hostility :sad1: .. or simply clicking to a new thread :confused3

vicki_c
11-09-2011, 12:35 AM
Yes, that was a nice little loophole while it lasted! But they fixed that. Now it's 180+10 like in the past.

nkereina
11-09-2011, 09:31 AM
No, if it was 190 days out then Disney would say 190 days. They don't say 190 days, they say 180+10 -- there is a difference. The only people who believe it's 190 days out are not listening, reading or paying full attention to the details or the literature. It doesn't bother me either way; I know how it works. But Disney isn't at fault for this. It's explained perfectly well on their website. All you have to do is be able to read.

The 180+10 is an advantage for on site guests. So if that actually meant 190 days, Disney still wouldn't call it 190 days because it wouldn't be 190 days for everyone. The general public would still be 180 days. People are inclined to initially think on site guests can book 190 days out, rather than realizing it's 180+10. I'd venture to say some people assume they can book all ADRs for the duration of their reservation at the 180 day mark, without knowing only on site guests can do that, which leads to the confusion.

No reason to be upset that other people have questions or are seeking clarification though. Hone that anger into something a little more productive :thumbsup2

leebee
11-09-2011, 11:19 PM
With an entire Internet of information at your fingertips, you have no one to blame except the CM AND yourself.


So if I make my ADR's at 190 days, can I use my resort mug from six years ago for an alcoholic beverage when I use a 2nd day's admission on my base ticket to go to Epcot for dinner? :rotfl2: popcorn::

OrangeJax
11-13-2011, 08:00 PM
So, one last thought about CMs knowing the correct information for vacationers... You'd think that somewhere on their computer system there's a button or screen that will tell the caller when they would be able to call for ADRs. I mean, do they sit there and count 180 days themselves? Ah, to be a fly on the wall at 407-w-diz.

Also, I just thought of this, and I don't mean to beat a dead horse here.... When my DH and I went to WDW in 2010, I took a day off of work because it was so important to me to get the ADRs we wanted. I was able to make the ADRs at 180 days out, but it was the first day that they were doing the 180 days program. I wasn't sure how over-crowded the phones would be, and the online ADR site was having a lot of major glitches (as stated on the DIS!) It ended up taking me hours to dial and finally get through to a CM who was able to book our ADRs. Luckily I was able to make our ADRs that day, but if I had taken a day off of work and been told that I could NOT make them, I'd be REALLY mad.

Just a thought. I'm done now - promise.

PS -- Mom called a few days ago -- she got all the ADRs she wanted but 1. -- No biggie!:wizard: