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TheBig2na
09-01-2011, 08:51 AM
College Support Staff went on strike today...unfortunately I am one of them. Had to pay the mouse off a couple weeks ago so i am going in October still, but not too excited right now. For everyone who says how bad the unions are we haven't been on strike in 32 years as we never ask for much, never hold managements feet to the fire at bargaining. This time they want to bring in a two tier wage structure which is terrible for new employees, and they want the ability to lay us off if the faculty go out. The problem with that is if we have a two tier wage structure, they will bring us back at the lower wage. Faculty hold a much tougher line than us, 3 strikes in 10 years and likely another next year.

Not really the place to discuss this I am sure, but just wondering how anyone else would feel in my shoes. The shine is off the Trip right now knowing that if we are still out in October I will be calling the real estate company to sell my house just before heading to Disney.

Again Don't want to get into a pro or anti unions debate as I think some unions can be ridiculous in their demands, and sometimes management is ridiculous with the concessions they ask for. PLus we are all tax payers, myself included. I wouldnt want a 10% increase in salary only to watch my taxes go up to pay for it.

Susan2771
09-01-2011, 09:23 AM
Oh my goodness, you will have to sell your house if the strike goes into October? Eeks. I sincerely hope it doesn't come to that and there is a quick resolution to your situation. Do you not have travel insurance? Could you not cancel the trip instead and make a claim through your travel insurance if they cover a situation at work? I know RBC travel insurance has a few risks that cover a situation that rises with your place of employment. I really hope the stike doesn't drag on and that everything will be A-OK with your family. Best of luck to you.

SmilingGrump
09-01-2011, 09:32 AM
While I'm no fan of unions (largely for the reason you mentioned), I'm no fan of unfair management either and it sounds like what they're trying to do to you is VERY unfair. I'm sorry to hear that your situation is so bad that you may be forced to sell you home, but it's good that you're at least considering that as an option. During the Dot-Com crash I watched a number of people try to hold on to their homes, losing everything when my advice to them was sell the house (their biggest expense) and either move in with relatives or rent. There were a few that understood what I was saying, swallowed their pride, and moved in with their folks and within a year they were back on their feet.

Best of luck to you and I hope management backs off from their demands very soon!

roxysmum123
09-01-2011, 11:04 AM
As a college student, I know you're going to be gettin a lot of grief from my co-students when your'e on the lines. Just wanted to send some Disney love and say I support you guys and feel for the situations the union AND employer has put you in.

I'm sure it'll be done by October, and maybe the trip will be a blessing in disguise.... striking is exhausting, I come from a family of teachers so we're no stranger to this muck.

TheBig2na
09-02-2011, 11:33 AM
I am a college grad as well. i have had to put up with a few strikes as a student and worker. They suck, no one wins. Management walked away before midnight and havent shown back up yet. Probably because the media is making us look like pigs who want money money money. Just a little security thats all. Alot of people are saying we dont deserve security because they dont have it, doesnt everyone deserve it? No one is getting raises due to the economy. what management offered is fine as far as I know. Starting to wonder if our own union is using us a pawn. Management has apparently relented on their request for two tier and our union hasn't replied. So most of us are wondering why we are still out. I am sure its a lie, but it looks bad when you sit silently for 24 hours and let the media, public and students rip us to shreds. To all of the students and parents out there, please note we aren't out ot ruin students years, nor are we out their trying to get more holidays and money. we just want to have a decent job...and a house and a car. I think that is what we all want. I am never going to get rich working there, and dont expect to. Cancellation insurance wont cover that as far as I know. plus I haven't bought it yet. we haven't been on strike in 32 years so none of us were expecting it. we always settle which is why a lot of us feel like we might be getting played by both sides due to the large amount of unions whose contracts are up soon.

I just keep telling myself that the worst thing that could happen is i have to sell my house and move back home with my wife and kid...maybe kids, not sure yet... and rebuild. But if i find out I am being played by my union, I will be back at work Tuesday morning regardless of what they or my coworkers think.

Anyway sorry guys this isnt really Disney related. venting a little I guess, feeling very odd not going to work. I can only imagine how people who lose their jobs feel. my next paycheque will be for 3 days. that doesnt pay the bills. But Mickey is paid, Dining plan, flights...cant cancel now. I am sure that will lift me out of my doldrums.

Roxysmum I wish more people were like you. I asked someone yesterday how they would feel if their parents were in this position and they said they would tell them where to go as well. Classy.

Long Live the MOUSE!!!!!!! I promise no more replies like this. back to mickey goodness here only.

"Got Disney"
09-02-2011, 01:02 PM
Your going to Disney and just paid it off but may have to put your house on the market if the strike goes through October! If money is so tight why did you plan a trip? Not to mention paying it off.....

I am not a union fan and not a fan when school staff goes on stricken...not grate for the students. So I won't get into that.....

When you go to Disney you will just be spending money you don't have....I say try to sell it or do what you have to to cancel and try to get some of the money back...

Sometimes striking is not worth the loss....what's more important to you...holding on to your home, going to Disney or keeping both and walking over the strike line to survive today in this economy.....

If it were me and my money was as tight as you say it is...I would walk over the picket line and continue to get paid...sometimes drastic circumstances have to out way the the less of the two.....your family and home come first....

Good luck....

Gigi22
09-02-2011, 07:44 PM
OP, I may be wrong, but your post reads as though you may not have been on strike before. You have my sympathies, as far as I know, no one likes to go on strike.

There are two possible avenues that you should explore to obtain more information about your financial situation in the event of a strike.

Now is the time for you to quietly and discretely find out if your union has a "hardship fund". When I was at work, our union local had an emergency fund that could be used to assist workers who were experiencing financial crises as a result of being on strike. The fund loaned money (it had to be paid back after the strike was over and people were back to work) to strikers to ensure that people didn't lose their housing, etc.

It may be cold comfort, but if your union has a strike fund (and it likely does--ask) people picketing will be paid a small per diem for every day on the line out of the fund. The strike pay procedures we had required you to be on the picket line, and sign in daily, to be paid--if you are out of town, or unable to picket, you don't get strike pay.

TheBig2na
09-02-2011, 08:11 PM
I am sure it wont come to me losing my house. probably just emotion talking right now. As for paying for my trip...My union hasnt been on strike since 1979, we never strike, and no one wants to be out now. Had i suspected we would go out I would not have even planned a trip. I wont ever do that again during a strike year. My opinion of the union has definitely changed after seeing what they took us out on strike for. What we were told we were fighting against was taken off the table. now it appears we are fighting for wages??????? in an economy like this? Could this not have been solved at the table while we were working? we worked for 4 and a half months without a contract once. Disappointing to say the least. Unions have their place and have done a ton for people, but we didn't get to vote on this offer and I am strike because of it which is not cool. Everyone suffers here and for what, a couple grand over a 3 year period. After taxes I might get an extra $40 a month....Am I really fighting for half a tank of gas? I feel woodwinked.

But as I said before i like these boards to be a release. A happy place to think about Disney. I appreciate everyones opinions.

"Got Disney"
09-03-2011, 04:30 PM
I am sure it wont come to me losing my house. probably just emotion talking right now. As for paying for my trip...My union hasnt been on strike since 1979, we never strike, and no one wants to be out now. Had i suspected we would go out I would not have even planned a trip. I wont ever do that again during a strike year. My opinion of the union has definitely changed after seeing what they took us out on strike for. What we were told we were fighting against was taken off the table. now it appears we are fighting for wages??????? in an economy like this? Could this not have been solved at the table while we were working? we worked for 4 and a half months without a contract once. Disappointing to say the least. Unions have their place and have done a ton for people, but we didn't get to vote on this offer and I am strike because of it which is not cool. Everyone suffers here and for what, a couple grand over a 3 year period. After taxes I might get an extra $40 a month....Am I really fighting for half a tank of gas? I feel woodwinked.

But as I said before i like these boards to be a release. A happy place to think about Disney. I appreciate everyones opinions.


Can you just opt out of striking....I know those that do strike hate people who walk over a picket line but times are so hard right now....has your union also talked yet about raising your dues once or if you get that increase? Are you able to work there without belonging to the Union?

unions use to have there place in time when they really did good for the worker...but now it is very political taking your dues and using it to elect who they want.....I would rather see the money stay in the workers pocket.

I use to always avoid walking over a picket line but now I don't....mostly because the strike is more about the Unions than the people....they use the people to make themselves more powerful....

If I do however feel that an employees is truly being treated unfairly I will not cross....but these days that never seems to b the case anymore...

I hope the strike ends soon and you get back on your feet.

I have friends that were involved in the supermarket strike years back that lasted months and months and they lost so much including some their homes...yet the Unions seemed not to care about the hardships they were causing to all it's out on strike members....some had to go back to work and cross over the line....and this was when we were not in the economic downturn we have today.

I am sorry for your troubles and hope this gets resolved soon so you can get back to work.

MedicGoofy
09-03-2011, 04:40 PM
I am sorry about the position that you have been put in. I am fortunate to have a job in that I never have to worry about going on strike. I am someone who strongly supports having a union and am in a job that I wouldn't think of having without a union. Having said that, it's unfortunate when you have a union that just does what they think is good for themselves, not thinking about the employee.

Have you thought of going to the bank or institution that holds your mortgage? Talking to them. Sometimes there is something they can do. I pay a monthly fee so that IF something happened that I did lose my job, I am covered with my mortgage. Has something to do with the money I make at work as well. Check out all avenues before you even think of putting up your house.

Honestly, how much would you get back from your Disney trip if you cancelled? Can you downgrade some things? Might be something to look into before you went ahead and cancelled the whole thing. Might be something you need as a stress reliever.

Hope it all gets settled soon:hug:

seashoreCM
09-04-2011, 06:58 AM
Regardless of when the strike settles, are you permitted to be gone from the job during the time you booked for vacation?

DonnaBoo
09-09-2011, 10:31 PM
TheBig2na
As a unionized worker who just went through a lock out, I feel for you. I don't think you will be out on the line for very long. Recently the federal gov't passed a piece of legislation which gives the gov't the right to force wokers back to work if they strike, as well as force management to allow workers to go back to work if it is a lock out.
There are pros and cons to being in a unionized work environment.
As for the comment about crossing a picket line, sometimes you can do this and there are no ramifications and sometimes there can be drastic consequences. It really depends on the union, the people who are on the line, the issues of the contract, the reasons for the stirke, or how people are feeling about being locked out.
To address another statement that unions keep people out on strike. There are 2 sides at the negotiating table...it's not always the union that can prolong a strike or lock out...the company can prolong it too.
I don't know of many unionized workers who enjoy being on the line because of a strike or lockout. It's emotionally and physically draining, as well as financially. And you don't have to be out on the line for very long to start feeling these drains.
Good luck and I hope you are back to work and there will be a good out come.:goodvibes

corster
09-10-2011, 09:09 AM
The other complicating thing in this scenario is that there is a Provincial Election campaign going on right now, so even if Back-to-Work legislation was to be passed, it can't be done until the legislature sits again, which will likely not be until November (and if that idiot McGuinty gets reelected, he's in the union's pocket so I doubt he'd pass anything... took him 4 months to act on the York U strike when classes had to be cancelled).

tone.def
09-10-2011, 09:37 AM
Hey OP - I feel for you. I worked for the public broadcaster for many years and know what it means to strike and be locked out. Management there are bullies! Eventually they weakened the union (it took a few years) and due to reasons beyind my control, I actually had to leave my job a couple months after mat leave due to the punishment I got for having a baby and the union was basically powerless when I went to them. So yes, there is a place for unions still, it just sucks when they are weak and you pay a lot of money in dues.

Unfortunatey, I have to echo the thoughts of finances. If you truly are as tight for money as you claim to be, why on earth would you spend a couple grand on a vacation? Don't you have an emergency fund? Savings? Sure, everyone deserves a holiday, but not something so lavish if you can't afford it. Does your union up your strike pay the longer you are out or do you just get something like $100/week for 20 hours of picketing? Can you pick up a part time job in the meantime? Do some freelance work?

I think this is a lesson for future financial planning once you get back to work, a portion of your money goes into savings and a portion goes into a vacation fund. Not to single you out - this is a point for all.

DonnaBoo
09-10-2011, 06:47 PM
In defence of the op, maybe she booked the trip before she knew there was going to be a strike/lockout. Sometimes things look they are going along nicely and suddenly things take a turn for the worse.

TheBig2na
09-11-2011, 04:30 PM
He not a she. hahahaha Yeah I booked it well in advance. we havent been on strike in over 3 decades. Never thought it would happen. still no talks. Union and management playing games.

eeyoremum
09-11-2011, 09:59 PM
I am a support staff too. Although I knew months ago we would be walking, I am surprised you were surprised. I work at a small campus though and our union stewart is a "higher up". This strike has been planned for a long time and I am afraid we are the victims.

Personally I don't know what to believe. When they started talking strike it was all about two tiered jobs now it seems to be all about money. I personally am giving both sides one more week to get their acts together and act like grown ups get off their A$$es and get a deal together. If they are not talking I am going back to work my students are the ones the suffer.

We have all already lost a ton of money we won't see a dime more now even with a raise. It has been lost because of our lost wages.

I will think of you as I walk the line tomorrow.

TheBig2na
09-12-2011, 09:16 AM
agreed. if they dont get it done by the end of the week I have to go back or face not being able to pay my bills. I am not willing to go that far.

eeyoremum
09-12-2011, 09:25 AM
I hear ya. It will be nice to know that someone else is going to cross. I am preparing for the fall out of my decision among my co-workers although I would say that there are a number of people who are feeling that we have been hung out to dry.

Remeber when we voted? The parties were not even talking yet and we were voting for a strike? It didn't make sense at the time and less so now since we can't vote on the deal they offered.

TheBig2na
09-12-2011, 09:33 AM
The more you think about it, the more it looks like it was set up exactly for this. Apparently 50 plus people have already returned at my college. I always say at the end of the day they are coworkers, not my family. I have to look after them first.

eeyoremum
09-12-2011, 09:36 AM
I don't know how many are crossing where I am but I hear the rumours that many are. I agree they did set this up long ago. What no strike for 32 years so it is time?

Achray
09-12-2011, 12:53 PM
Hi. I am new to this board. It is great so far. But on this topic. Realize I have 3 in college as we speak and had the right to strike taken away at work. So I can see both sides. Funny thing is that I was talking to our "union stewart" last night about it. As far as she knows unoffically the union and the government are both playing dirty. And it is the workers and the students that are suffering. I have had to cross the lines at all 3 campuses that my kids go to. Many of your co-workers are not happy to be out there and many have returned to work. The ones that I spoke to are wondering why they are still out as the wage teir has been taken off the table. I really feel for the workers because the union seems to have had this planned for a while but the true reasons have not be made known. Something isn't right here. As to the student side of things, many of them are getting frustrated with the situation but are trying to make the best of it as their fees are already paid. They are stuck in a bad situation too.

I hope that you do not have to cancel your trip and that it is settled soon but rumor has it that talks are not even planned. Let's hope that it doesn't go on as long as the York strike did.

TheBig2na
09-12-2011, 01:40 PM
No one wins in a strike. I like you balanced response to things. alot of people call us scumbags and mooches, but they need to realize that not everyone wants to be out and we don't control the union or management. I am a two time college grad and have been through 2 strikes as a student and two as an employee and they are never fun. My dad was an auto worker for almost 30 years before passing away and growing up we went through a couple of strikes. It is terrible on families, and in this case, terrible for students, faculty, support workers, and parents. Hopefully this is over with this week. Enough is enough.

"Got Disney"
09-12-2011, 02:54 PM
Years ago the unions had a great place and they were for the employees....today many unions are so political that it is not about the workers but about them.....they get you more money than raise your union dues.....

I always feel sorry for the folks that are forced onto a picket line when it causes the striker to struggle.....or here also the students....

You need to do what you need to do in this terrible economy....you will not be the only one crossing if you decide to...

I was a nurse for 22years and the union was great and was there when WE called on them.....otherwise we didn't hear from them...not anymore.....

Sorry your put in this situation....good luck..

By the way can you opt out of your union and work without one or are you forced to....no union no job?

eeyoremum
09-12-2011, 08:20 PM
Our union comes with our job. you don't get one without the other. Wish I could opt out.

roxysmum123
09-12-2011, 11:06 PM
Question from a student point of view. At my school, not only are the picket lines blocking cars from entering campus, they are also blocking the exits. Is this allowed? I'm sure it must be since nobodys stopped it yet, but I know people at other schools that aren't dealing with this. It takes me twice as long to get OFF campus as it does to get ON. Insight anyone?

TheBig2na
09-13-2011, 09:16 AM
Yes you can block the exits as well. When our faculty was on strike they did that. makes for a pain but at this point the only bargaining chip we have is to disrupt things to the point where management gets back to talking. We are not doing that as myself and many others don't agree with that. I don't like the thought of someone being late to pick up their child or missing an appointment. We are not even holding people up too long because we want people inside pressuring management as well. But each local is doing something different although we are trying to be as uniform as possible.

eeyoremum
09-13-2011, 09:16 AM
yes you are blocked both in and out. That being said I don`t see much organization in terms of the amount of time.

Hope your studies are going well

SmilingGrump
09-13-2011, 09:58 AM
Years ago the unions had a great place and they were for the employees....today many unions are so political that it is not about the workers but about them.....they get you more money than raise your union dues.....

Sadly, you are correct far too often on this. The big unions look at their spreadsheets and see who's not "contributing" their "fair" share to the union then target them for hard negotiations and strike action. There's little to no concern for the workers, the company, or the economy it becomes all about the union. When you see a union get decertified, this is almost always the case though it has happened in the past where the union is "in bed" with management and exploits the workers that way too. However, it is VERY difficult to get a union decertified in most areas, usually much more difficult then unionizing to begin with.

While I understand the historical need for unions, and the current need for some unions in places where management is very difficult (oddly, that's usually in the public sector), large unions lack the connections with the people they are supposed to be helping and often become just another large bureaucracy only interested in feeding itself.


Best of luck to those on strike! I hope it is resolved soon so you can continue on with your lives and holiday plans :grouphug:

roxysmum123
09-13-2011, 08:29 PM
yes you are blocked both in and out. That being said I don`t see much organization in terms of the amount of time.

Hope your studies are going well

I think they're going better now than ever actually since it's such a hassle to get off campus I just stay there between my classes and do homework lol!

BELLEDOZER
09-15-2011, 12:12 PM
I have to add my say into this discussion as my husband is heavily involved with the union that he belongs to.Over the years I've seen companies that have wanted to eliminate pension plans, reduce wages to just above minimum wage, cut benefits down to nothing. These are for jobs that are involved with mechanics, supermarkets, and a variety of higher paying jobs. There's an Extra Foods out in Maple Ridge BC that's been on strike for close to 3 years. It so happens that it's not the unions fault that they are on strike. Loblaws the company that owns it, wants to union bust and is determined to break the unionization at this store to make a point. They have closed all but the pharmacy at this store. So who loses??? The employees are being supported by the union that they belong to, and are getting strike pay for the entire time that they've been on strike. The people surrounding the store lose a store that they had been going to for years, unless the strike is resolved. Loblaws won't even come to the table despite many attempts to get them back to bargaining table on the part of the union. Loblaw's is using this strike to make a point to the other stores, and in the end Loblaws loses nothing, as they are such a big outfit that they are willing to absorb the losses if it means that they can achieve their objective. Just something to think about.

Josh Hendy
09-15-2011, 11:12 PM
Hi. I am new to this board. It is great so far. But on this topic. Realize I have 3 in college as we speak and had the right to strike taken away at work. So I can see both sides. Funny thing is that I was talking to our "union stewart" last night about it. As far as she knows unoffically the union and the government are both playing dirty. And it is the workers and the students that are suffering. ...

I'd like to make a couple of observations, speaking as an outsider with no skin in the game (other than my tax dollars, LOL) ... number one, it's interesting that you say that (allegedly) both negotiating sides are playing dirty, and that it is the 3rd parties who are suffering. Why would they play dirty? Why would they allow other people to be hurt? Only they can answer that, but I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter how dirty and unethical anyone in the union or government behaves (I'm not saying that they are, but the claim has been made above) ... no matter how disastrous the strike is for workers and students, nobody in the government or in the union leadership is going to lose their job, or lose even a single day's pay and benefits. What is the downside to these top people, if a whole year of pay is lost by the workers and a whole year of school is lost the students? None, as far as I can tell.

Number two ... I've had a number of family members who went on strike at various times over the years. In every single case, at the end of the strike they always said the same thing. "I don't know why we went on strike because the extra pay we got at the end of it will never pay for what we what lost during the strike."

mermaid&cinderella
09-16-2011, 10:56 AM
Sorry but I am a union hater. I think they should not exist. I think people get hurt more by them then the benefits they serve. How fair is it for these students to start their "new" school year interrupted on day 1. I am crossing my fingers that Air Canada flight attendants don't walk next week b/c if they do my 6 months of planning goes down the drain, yup that's fair. :rolleyes: What did I do to them? I work hard to get to go on vacation and because they are complaining about their job I will get my vacation delayed or cancelled. You don't liek your job, get another one. Sorry but I have been more inconvenienced by strikers and I am completely fed up.

Now to your situation, seriously you will go to WDW but sell your house b/c you don't have money? Doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps striking workers should all walk back on the job, cross the picket lines and mix it up a bit.

hockey mom
09-16-2011, 11:18 AM
I was almost in the same position as you. We were set to strike Sept. 1st but a deal was reaches at 11:45 pm on the 31st. I also have a trip paid for in Oct. because I never thought for one minute anyone would consider striking.

Turns out our company wanted concessions and were willing to lock us out.

In the end we received a small cut to our benefits, no raise till the 3rd year, but we did get a bonus for the first 2 years. So in the end I feel for today's economy it was fair.

The part that frustrates me is the lack of control I have over my own life. Whether I want to strike or not should be up to me.

So I do feel for you right now.:hug:

SmilingGrump
09-16-2011, 12:42 PM
Sorry but I am a union hater. I think they should not exist. I think people get hurt more by them then the benefits they serve. How fair is it for these students to start their "new" school year interrupted on day 1. I am crossing my fingers that Air Canada flight attendants don't walk next week b/c if they do my 6 months of planning goes down the drain, yup that's fair. :rolleyes: What did I do to them? I work hard to get to go on vacation and because they are complaining about their job I will get my vacation delayed or cancelled. You don't liek your job, get another one. Sorry but I have been more inconvenienced by strikers and I am completely fed up.

Now to your situation, seriously you will go to WDW but sell your house b/c you don't have money? Doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps striking workers should all walk back on the job, cross the picket lines and mix it up a bit.

While I'm not an union supporter at all, I do understand where the Air Canada flight attendants are coming from. Back when air travel collapsed (10 years ago), AC flight attendants took a $11/hour cut in order to help save the company. Their wages are still not close to what they were once making. Add to that the facts that they're often being forced to sleep on the floor in air terminals between flights and management is attempting to schedule attendants so the higher paid ones quit in frustration. Meanwhile, the CEO made over $4.5 million last year :scared1:

I can understand your frustration at having some serious kinks thrown into your vacation, but don't direct your frustration at the flight attendants who helped save the company by taking massive pay cuts. Direct it at management who gets incredible bonuses.

The flight attendants that I know personally are all hoping a quick resolution is found. They are aware a stoppage means people may miss out on their vacations and are sickened by this, but they simply can not afford to let AC management treat them the way they are anymore. Strike action is the only option available to them.

eeyoremum
09-16-2011, 05:35 PM
I am in the union because it came with the job. I am not a supporter actually far from. I am also very vocal about my dislike and disgust of the whole nonesense. I am pretty sure that I would not be supported by my union for any reason after this is all said and done...lol.

On a good note I hear on the news that they will be meeting this weekend so hopefully we will go back to work very soon. I feel for the students they are the only ones who have lost in all this.

RadioMom
09-17-2011, 09:26 AM
I live a block from the college and about three miles from the university (which also has strike action going on at the moment) in my city. I have friends whose spouses work at both institutions and it's very difficult on everyone, even those who aren't in college as there is a big trickle down effect on neighbourhoods, traffic, businesses, etc. Sid Ryan was in town the other day, getting everyone riled up to the point that some strikers (not all) were really hassling people getting into the college and police had to be called. Hour and a half waits, strikers scaring students. Again, not all, just a handful is all it takes to make everyone look bad.
I heard that the college is going back to the table this weekend, I truly hope there is some resolution.
As for planning a trip in a strike year? Why the heck not!? If history has indicated that no strikes have ever come about, I probably would have booked as well. And since when does not having buckets full of money on standby mean you can't take a vacation with your family? I hate the holier than thou attitude some take when it comes to money. If we've learned anything in the past five years, with the recession in the US and the struggle our economy has taken, it's that NO job is guaranteed. For all we know, the original poster saved for years for this trip. Or even a year (as I am doing!). Yes, I have some savings but not a tremendous amount. I'd be okay for awhile should something happen. But I don't let that stop me from enjoying my life and the fruits of my labour. I refuse to do that. Life is too darn short!
I hope that some agreement can be made between the union and the colleges. If I were in the same situation, I think I would cross the picket line too. My family has always go to come first. I don't live or hang out with my co-workers and they're not going to pay my bills when they come in. And anyone who would have a hard time with me doing that wouldn't be someone I'd give a second thought about anyway.

formill
09-17-2011, 01:45 PM
Sorry but I am a union hater. I think they should not exist. I think people get hurt more by them then the benefits they serve. How fair is it for these students to start their "new" school year interrupted on day 1. I am crossing my fingers that Air Canada flight attendants don't walk next week b/c if they do my 6 months of planning goes down the drain, yup that's fair. :rolleyes: What did I do to them? I work hard to get to go on vacation and because they are complaining about their job I will get my vacation delayed or cancelled. You don't liek your job, get another one. Sorry but I have been more inconvenienced by strikers and I am completely fed up.

Now to your situation, seriously you will go to WDW but sell your house b/c you don't have money? Doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps striking workers should all walk back on the job, cross the picket lines and mix it up a bit.

WOW is all I can say. Such a brick wall attitude. Guess you and all around you have always had terrific jobs/great benefits and all you have to do is say to your boss.....my electric bill increased by 25%......but I guess so did yours so please pay me less. Perhaps read up on the history of unions and why they were formed in the first place.

mermaid&cinderella
09-17-2011, 03:25 PM
WOW is all I can say. Such a brick wall attitude. Guess you and all around you have always had terrific jobs/great benefits and all you have to do is say to your boss.....my electric bill increased by 25%......but I guess so did yours so please pay me less. Perhaps read up on the history of unions and why they were formed in the first place.

Firstly everyone has the right to voice their opinion, that is what I did ;)

Secondly, I have better things to do with my time than read up on unions :rolleyes:

Thirdly I am not the only one that dislikes unions, its been a battle for years, it may have had a very good purpose years and years ago (I know the history of unions) but not now its a misuse of the system

Fourthly I pay for ALL my benefits, I am self employed which I believe is the hardest job to have and keep. Nobody helps me with anything. I am responsible for myself, my family and my workers future (having enough work for them). So NO I don't go to my boss and say that I AM THE BOSS ! So your conclusion is 100% wrong!

"Got Disney"
09-17-2011, 06:18 PM
Ca grocery stores are getting ready to stricken because the unions don't like they asking the employees to pay a mere $7 more a month for health care.....the corporations already pay 90% of there healthcare....

Maybe they would prefer to pay what I do for a family of 4.... $1350.00 a month.....this is what I hate....

They seem not to want to take in allowance that Obamacare has increased everyone's Ins and the economy on these businesses are not great either...not to mention the increase gets passed down to us....



Also by the time the stricken is over the only one that benefits is the union...dues get raised and the amount of money that was striker for will take years to catch up to the amount they lost stikeing .....

Here's the article....





[/quote]Thousands of Southern California grocery workers have voted overwhelmingly to reject a health care proposal from major supermarket chains and authorize their union leaders to call a strike, a spokesman said early Sunday.


More than 90 percent of voters from the United Food and Commercial Workers Local 770, which has
about 62,000 members, rejected the proposal from Vons, Ralphs and Albertsons stores.

The rejection automatically authorizes union officials to call a strike after 72 hours

Shimpock did not have precise numbers on how many voted, but said the turnout was “huge.”

The union will report the results to the dispute’s federal mediator on Monday and that more talks would likely follow.

“We’re willing to come back to the table and stay there,” Shimpock said. “Our goal here is not to go on strike, we don’t want to go on strike, but unfortunately we’ve been pushed into a corner by these corporations.”

A four-month strike and lockout that began in 2003 cost Ralphs and other grocery chains an estimated $2 billion.

Messages left for grocery store representatives were not immediately returned, but Ralphs Grocery Co. spokeswoman Kendra Doyel previously told The Associated Press that her chain is committed to staying at the table to negotiate, and the grocers’ proposal was affordable and good for employees
and their families.

Union members have been working without a contract since March.


Both sides announced last month that they had reached a tentative agreement on the employers’ contributions to pension benefits, but health care costs have been a major sticking point.


Ralphs currently pays more than 90 percent of employee health coverage costs, Doyel said. Workers hired before 2004 pay nothing for health insurance while those hired later pay either $7 a week for single coverage or $15 a week for family coverage.

The companies’ proposal would raise that to $9 a week for singles and $23 a week for families. That
is much lower than the average cost of health care insurance in California, she said. [\quote]

Melmac
09-19-2011, 06:00 PM
I read in our local paper that the colleges have come to a tentative agreement! Good news for everyone involved. OP, I hope that the agreement passes and you can still take your vacation :goodvibes