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uk_wildcat
07-18-2011, 05:10 PM
My 9 year old son started on the YMCA swim team in January this year. Since he started in the middle of the season, we paid $151 for Jan-April. We also paid a $50 fundraising fee because there were no fundraisers going on at the time. Then he did Summer swim, which was May-July and it was $240. This added up to $441 from Jan-July. On top of the fees, we had to pay for each race entry ($3-$5 per race) and equipment (fins, jammers, goggles, etc.) and team shirts. He really likes it and it is really the only sport he has shown any interest in.
Overall we have spent a ton on it, but it hasn't been so much that we can't do it.

Today the coach sent out the new fees for 2011-2012 and they are going to a fee structure that covers Fall and Summer swim for one price. The problem is that they aren't offering a per season fee, so if we decide not to do summer swim, we will still be paying for it. The total cost will be $875 (this includes the fundraising fee). We will still need to pay the per race fee and any other costs that come up during the season.

Does this sound like too much to you? He will be practicing 4 days/week and as of now they only have one coach per age group, so it's not like they are paying a whole lot of coaches. When I look at last years fees, if we had done the whole year (Sept-July) the total cost would have been $592. This seems like a huge increase.

jazz0007
07-18-2011, 05:21 PM
My daughter is going on 9 and is about to join our team. They haven't posted the new rates for the next season yet but here is last season for you to compare.....rates are on pg 4. That does sound like a big hike to me though!! And I think it's rotten not to let you pay by session! :(

South Central Swim Team rates (http://www.southcentralswim.com/wiscst/__doc__/129409_2_2011%20LC%20Registration%20Packet.pdf)

jcemom
07-18-2011, 05:32 PM
My DD signed up for YMCA gymnastics. A friend talked her into it. Well, I sure am glad it was a monthly fee over the summer, because it is way beyond my budget. (She wasn't crazy over it anyway, thank goodness.) The gym fee is inexpensive, the membership fee is reasonable, but once you add in the coaches' salaries, and the meet fees, well, forget it. I can't afford it. It was going to be $170+ per month, not including meets and gear, September through April. :eek:

For the number of classes she takes right now, dancing is cheaper than gymnastics. :rolleyes:

gina2000
07-18-2011, 05:42 PM
My son's been swimming for years. Your fees don't sound outrageous at all but I'm from the east coast so that may make a difference.

Does the new fee include: USA swim registration fee and YMCA membership for the year? Those two fees will add about $100 to the practice fees.

Has your fundraising tab been raised? Usually Y teams fundraise for away meets and to defray the cost of national swimming meets.

Also, does the fee hold $$$ in escrow for future swim meets? Most teams take $$$ up front to pay meet fees for swimmers. It is replenished as need be. Other families may have had meet fees set at the beginning of the year rather than pay on an "as you go" basis. It's too hard to collect meet fees per meet and easier to hold a set amount in the swimmer's account to be drawn down as necessary.

Swimming is an expensive sport. Pool usage and maintenance is expensive. The coaches don't get rich on their salaries...for them it's truly a labor of love.

Good luck with your choice. My son's been a competitive swimmer for over a decade and while it's not for everyone, it's been a rewarding experience for him.

princesspwrhr
07-18-2011, 05:51 PM
It's all going to vary by region, but what you've quoted would be cheap for my area swim teams. We have some friends whose children are on various swim teams and the $875 is on the low end. I would call around and see what other teams in your area charge so you can compare your new fees and see if it's in line with your area.

My girls are in other sports. My oldest is a competitive gymnast. We pay $400 a MONTH just for practice (25 hours), her leo that they keep for 1-2 years is $310, her warm ups are $250, yearly membership is $54, and the meet fees range from $85-$110 (they do 8-10 meets per year). We do thankfully have an established fundraising program at her new gym - that covers the cost of sending the coaches to the meet (otherwise it would be another $600+ a year) and after you've participated in fundraising for 6 months the PA pays meet fees. This is much higher than the gym we just left, but the caliber of training is also higher and while my daughter is not an Olympian, she does want more from gym than her previous gym was able to offer. My middle dances (not competitively or show travel yet) and my youngest plays rec soccer. The travel league in our area is $1600 a year, plus uniforms, coaches fees, etc etc etc. I don't know what I'll do when the middle wants to travel/compete and the youngest wants to do travel soccer!

CrAzY4DL
07-18-2011, 06:02 PM
Wow, I feel lucky with our swim team now!! DD8 joined the Ceres Dolphins in April for $150, which paid for EVERYTHING. Pool time, coaches salaries, all meet fees, etc. We bought a team suit ($55) but wasn't mandatory, bought 2 silicone team hats with her name on them ($30 for 2) but they weren't mandatory. We fundraised with an omelette breakfast, every kid that sold 20 tickets got a free team suit (in our case, we got the money back) and then there was another fundraiser with a fireworks stand. Season just ended July 16th and I thought the fees were very fair.

mjkacmom
07-18-2011, 06:30 PM
Wow, either I need to sign my kids up for swimming, or move to Ohio! That sounds like a great deal. Just signed ds8 up for select soccer, training twice a week in the spring, winter, and fall, games on the weekends, and summer training, and it cost $1,800, which is cheaper than other leagues.

I pay $300 a month for 2 of my dds' dance, plus extra for privates and workshops (one teacher charges $75 per half hour for privates). Competitions cost about $60 for both, one dances 4 dances, the other 2 dances. Solo dresses, which get replaced yearly cost about $2000, and the 2 pairs of dance shoes they each need run me $400 total. Wigs are $100 each, socks are $12.

Swim lessons at our local Y average $18 per lesson.

bethy
07-18-2011, 06:56 PM
We are going to pay about $2000 for our DD9 to play premier soccer this year. And that doesn't include travel costs and any additional tourneys they could get invited to . . .

We figure that it's regular exercise, for one - and it's cheaper than bail or rehab later on!

Disneybuckeye
07-18-2011, 08:47 PM
I don't think that fee sounds bad at all. Swimming is a great sport. My boys swam all the way through high school and it really kept them out of trouble and they made tons of great friends. I paid about $2k each for club swimming fees, fundraising, and meet fees per year up to high school and about $4k per year during high school. Travel was extra, but not extensive as their team was so competitive and lots of good swimmers came to our home meets Suits were extra, but once my kids made the national team they received 2 free competition suits per year, a warm up and a bag which was nice. Now their club team was very competitive (state and sectional champs and one Junior national runner up), so I think that adds to the price. Their HS swim team was also very competitive (7 state titles and 2 national titles while my boys were there) and to be able to contribute in HS you had to swim for a good club team.

uk_wildcat
07-18-2011, 09:00 PM
Does the new fee include: USA swim registration fee and YMCA membership for the year?

It does not include either of these. We pay about $72/month for YMCA membership and he is not doing any USA swim meets, so we aren't paying for that.

The other YMCA teams in the area are cheaper, but none of them are really close enough to me to make it worth the drive. The other thing is that many of those teams are larger, have more coaches and better facilities, so it's hard to swallow paying more for what our Y has.

I think one of the things that many of the parents are wondering about is where the extra money is going. Nothing was sent out to explain the increase. If they told us that they were hiring more coaches, or using the money for something specific, I think I would be more understanding and wouldn't worry about the extra cost. As of now, we only have one coach per age group. Some of the age groups have 20-30 kids in them, which is quite a lot for one coach to deal with every practice.

Janet Hill
07-18-2011, 09:04 PM
I will be paying ~3,400 in about two weeks for a year this is with a 1 payment discount and does include meet fees. I'm in Northern VA and year round swim clubs are quite pricey around here.

PaulaSue
07-18-2011, 09:57 PM
Wow, I guess I should stop complaining about E's (DD 10) winter meet fees. Nov-Feb,3 times a week 1 hour practices and she did 4 meets, 1 team suit, 1 hair thing, and team pictures besdies the sub sale and food donations every meet for $225ish. I hate to think of the gas to and from so I stop counting there.:sick:

my2minnies
07-19-2011, 06:30 AM
We just finished our first full season of swim this year. My dd is 8 and joined a team that is a member of USA Swim. We just got a copy of all that we have paid for the year and it was just under 2K. It is a LOT of money, but if you break it down it is a great deal and much less expensive than any of her other sports.

She can attend practice up to 4 days a week, but we were there probably closer to 2x a week. It was a great experience but it is very intense. She wants to do another year and I will sign her up again. She also wants to do club soccer, but THAT is so much money and time so only one thing at once.
We are on the East Coast so I know things are more money here, but it sounds like it is not too bad where you are.

Ask if you can break the payments up by seasons. They may allow you to. I know that they will for my dd's team.

princesspwrhr
07-19-2011, 06:49 AM
I think one of the things that many of the parents are wondering about is where the extra money is going. Nothing was sent out to explain the increase.

Then I would call or email and ask for a breakdown of where the fees are going, what is imperative to be paid now and what kind of payment plan they are able to offer. We move a lot and my oldest has been on the competition team at 3 gyms now and everything has been open book. "your fee is this much, it covers X, Y, Z" Knowing does make it easier to swallow.

Swimalie
07-19-2011, 09:47 AM
Wow, I need to join your Y. But then again, I have such a wonderful coach that to me, the money is worth it. I pay $2450 for the school year and an additional $389 for the summer (mid-June to the end of July). This does not include meet fees, $180 annual registration (incl USA-S registration), suits, some gear, technical racing suits, etc. I am also a masters swimmer so I pay an additional $38 per year plus meet fees. Some meets are as high as $70. I do buy suits as inexpensive as possible - TJ Maxx and Marshalls have them for around $10 this time of the year. For practice suits, I don't care what they look like.

With the team registration, we get 1 suit, 3 caps, gear bag, 2 t-shirts, kick board, pull buoy, and sweat shirt. So for $180, it's not a bad deal. We also got a warm-up suit one year.

With all that, I get a coach who has an Olympic gold and silver medal, great swim practices and the option of a private pool. My team is an age group, USA-S team but I am 40. I practice with teen agers every day (they keep me young). We are also ranked as the #1 team in the country. So, yes our fees may be higher. I don't want to add up what my swimming costs me each year (I would guess close to $4000 if I go to Nationals).

You are getting a great bargain if your son likes swimming and gets a lot out of it. It is the only sport you can learn which can save your life and it is a lifelong sport. I have competed in meets with 98 year olds!

need2cruise
07-19-2011, 01:14 PM
Dd's competitive swimming costs $884 per year (fees plus the cost of the membership to the swim club). Swimsuit runs $60 x2 suits since they wear a different suit to certain competitions. Track suit they wear runs $80, $20 for the teeshirt and $35 for sweatshirt. $15 for their logo swimcap (x2). $5-$15 entry fees per each meet. $15-$20 per spectator pass for each event (x # of family members who go). Travel to 5 different states for different competitions (plus pitch in for coachs travel expenses). Not to count the cost of gas to get them to practice 5 days per week. Will be glad when they get back to the local pool, right now it is close to a 40 minute drive one way to practice. So yeah, swimming gets expensive, the better they are, the higher the cost!

Minniemouse07
07-19-2011, 01:29 PM
I loved swim team growing up but ours was FREE! Yes, FREE!

Our township had 6 public pools and each pool had their own team. We had practice two mornings a week all summer with meets early Saturday mornings. We didn't have matching suits or swim caps...or even fins and goggles! Just whatever suits you have (suitable for "racing") and bring your own towel!

My dd (10) loves swimming but I can't see dropping thousands of dollars for the local YMCA team or local swim club. We can all just be happy going to the Y and swimming during open swim!

If I could find a nice, relaxed, local, intramural program I would sign dd up for that but no way am I paying all that $$ for swim team! :sad2:

Swimalie
07-19-2011, 03:07 PM
If I could find a nice, relaxed, local, intramural program I would sign dd up for that but no way am I paying all that $$ for swim team! :sad2:

It may seem like a lot but for the kids I swim with, it's a chance at a college scholarship. We have 17 graduating seniors this year and all but 1 will be swimming in college with scholarships (the 1 hopes to transfer to a swimming school in 2 years). We have 6 kids going to Olympic Trials as of now. These are kids who will "pay" back their swimming one way or another.

Minniemouse07
07-19-2011, 03:53 PM
It may seem like a lot but for the kids I swim with, it's a chance at a college scholarship. We have 17 graduating seniors this year and all but 1 will be swimming in college with scholarships (the 1 hopes to transfer to a swimming school in 2 years). We have 6 kids going to Olympic Trials as of now. These are kids who will "pay" back their swimming one way or another.

That is great for higher level teams but unfortunately not every kid needs a "higher level" experience. It is sad that there aren't "fun" teams that don't require a huge investment like there used to be.

Also, our local Y team requires 3-4 practice days a week during the season, and starts at age 6. I'm sorry, my elementary aged daughter didn't need to be swimming that often every week during the school year!

Again...a low stress, relaxed team that is out to give kids the swim team experience and swimming practice without all that pressure and expense of the current options.

Lisa loves Pooh
07-19-2011, 07:07 PM
We did a no frills, no meets require swim team and we paid $100 per session per kid. There were 3 sessions per year and we stopped at two. This was only 2 practice days and it paid the coaches and the pool rental.

This was a "generous" discounted rate for being on a homeschool team as we didn't compete. If we wanted to compete, it would have cost more. And the more days you swim, the more money it was.

So I don't know if $852 is a "deal" or not. But it sounds about normal.

Our price did not include the cost of the kick board, flippers or goggles, or any team uniform gear.

It is one of those situations, where you have to really break it down to the units...how much practice/coaching they get and how much a swim meet costs.

We did a county league back home that was cheaper as it was at the county pool, but it wasn't that much cheaper, IIRC.

For our $100, we got about 20 sessions which came out to about $5 per session for an hour of swim practice (coaching and facility rental). It was somewhat comparable to many other activities available for kids and in some cases cheaper. What kills you is the quantity that you sign up for. (So conversely, around here, a music lesson is $30 for a half hour at just one time per week. )

Lex33
07-19-2011, 07:18 PM
Maybe we should move!

For the Boston area, $875 for a US Swim Team would be incredible. One DD has been swimming competitively for 8 years and the other one has been swimming for 4 years. It is certainly a lot more than $875. You really have to compare swim teams in your area. Make sure you know what you are paying for. Does that total include US Swim registration or the cost to participate in meets?

Enjoy the swimming. It is something you can do well into your senior years.

gina2000
07-19-2011, 07:22 PM
That is great for higher level teams but unfortunately not every kid needs a "higher level" experience. It is sad that there aren't "fun" teams that don't require a huge investment like there used to be.

Also, our local Y team requires 3-4 practice days a week during the season, and starts at age 6. I'm sorry, my elementary aged daughter didn't need to be swimming that often every week during the school year!

Again...a low stress, relaxed team that is out to give kids the swim team experience and swimming practice without all that pressure and expense of the current options.

Most Y and USA swim organizations do have a less intensive program for recreational swimmers especially as they approach their teenage years and choose not to make swimming their sport of choice. I don't know what your Y offers but there might be a non-swim team program for recreational swimmers. At age 6, though, most swimmers are still learning and perfecting stroke so it's important that they get practice in so muscle memory grows.

If you have a Jewish Community Center in your area, you might also find that they sponsor less intensive swim programs with other competing teams. Many swimmers start at the JCC around here to get their feet wet. (yuck, yuck!)

Swimalie
07-20-2011, 09:08 AM
Most Y and USA swim organizations do have a less intensive program for recreational swimmers especially as they approach their teenage years and choose not to make swimming their sport of choice. I don't know what your Y offers but there might be a non-swim team program for recreational swimmers. At age 6, though, most swimmers are still learning and perfecting stroke so it's important that they get practice in so muscle memory grows.


That's right. Our team offers developmental and non-competitve options as well. It's just for fun and to teach the kids the basics of swimming. No pressure and it's a lot, lot cheaper than what I pay. We're talking as low as $250 for the year. And they offer only 1 practice per week option as well. So there are teams out there that are more relaxed and have all options.

Minniemouse07
07-20-2011, 10:29 AM
That's right. Our team offers developmental and non-competitve options as well. It's just for fun and to teach the kids the basics of swimming. No pressure and it's a lot, lot cheaper than what I pay. We're talking as low as $250 for the year. And they offer only 1 practice per week option as well. So there are teams out there that are more relaxed and have all options.

Our Y only had the one team. There are also no "public" pools in our area (like I had growing up) we only have the Y or swim clubs that are WAAAY more expensive than the Y is.

I also don't want a "non competing" team, just one that is more intramural than super competitive (geared towards scholarships/Olympics) and part of some larger national organization.

ccgirl
07-20-2011, 10:36 AM
My 9 year old son started on the YMCA swim team in January this year. Since he started in the middle of the season, we paid $151 for Jan-April. We also paid a $50 fundraising fee because there were no fundraisers going on at the time. Then he did Summer swim, which was May-July and it was $240. This added up to $441 from Jan-July. On top of the fees, we had to pay for each race entry ($3-$5 per race) and equipment (fins, jammers, goggles, etc.) and team shirts. He really likes it and it is really the only sport he has shown any interest in.
Overall we have spent a ton on it, but it hasn't been so much that we can't do it.

Today the coach sent out the new fees for 2011-2012 and they are going to a fee structure that covers Fall and Summer swim for one price. The problem is that they aren't offering a per season fee, so if we decide not to do summer swim, we will still be paying for it. The total cost will be $875 (this includes the fundraising fee). We will still need to pay the per race fee and any other costs that come up during the season.

Does this sound like too much to you? He will be practicing 4 days/week and as of now they only have one coach per age group, so it's not like they are paying a whole lot of coaches. When I look at last years fees, if we had done the whole year (Sept-July) the total cost would have been $592. This seems like a huge increase.

That's nothin';)

Let me start by saying that the swim club team is meant to be competitive. As such, they discourage you taking time off as it will usually leave you behind other swimmers.

My DD8 does swim club. Right now, she is only practicing twice a week and it is $120 a month. That's right a month so that is $1440 a year. Once she goes to 5 X a week (probably next session) it will be over $200 a month. That does not include meets; which are frequently held out of state. Granted, the "uniform" is very inexpensive with a speedo suit, swim cap, and goggles. Swim, believe it or not, is not an inexpensive sport when it gets to competition level.

It cost $150 to join the club. If you take summer off (which she did this year) you still have to pay $50 to hold a spot. This is a very successful program with many earning scholarships and a few going on to the olympic qualifiers.

I enrolled her because she loves it and I wanted a competitive program. There are plenty of recreational programs around here. OP - maybe you would be more interested in that? The Red Cross offers some learn to swim programs. The Community School and the two Y's around here do too. None of those are competition teams. I got sick of paying for her to just play in the water though. They were no longer teaching her anything new.

Good luck with your decision.

uk_wildcat
07-20-2011, 11:20 AM
The team is a competitive team. I knew going into it in January that it wasn't going to be a cheap sport and also knew that as he gets older, the cost goes up because the amount of practices and time goes up.
I think the thing that is bothering myself and many of the other parents is that there was not explanation of the increase. We were told that they were going to a full season program to be more competitive, that other teams are doing it and that it will save them money and time on registration process. When I hear that a new process is going to save money and in the next sentence we are told that the fees are being increased, I wonder what is going on. Also, many other teams in the area are cheaper overall, have more coaches and much better facilities. We only have an indoor 25 yd pool that we have to share with the Y, leaving us 3-4 lanes at most for practice. Other YMCAs have indoor (25 yd) and outdoor (50 m) pools. Since my son is moving up to the 9-10 year old group, it is going to be a really large group of kids with only one coach and who knows how many lanes they will get to use at practice. This summer he did the long course season and we didn't even have a 50m pool to practice in. We couldn't even practice in our Y 25 yd pool because they allowed a team from another town to reserve it all summer in the mornings. We had to rent out a country club pool (25 yd), while most other teams had their own 50m pool to practice in. During the summer, they only swim 50m or higher races, so it was a bit of a disadvantage for our whole team.
I know that we will probably end up staying there because the next closest team is at least 20 miles away and it is going to cost just as much in gas to go 4 days/week and it will take more time away during the school year. I just want to vent a little and also wanted to get an idea of the cost others are paying around the country.

Anne34
07-20-2011, 11:51 AM
That is great for higher level teams but unfortunately not every kid needs a "higher level" experience. It is sad that there aren't "fun" teams that don't require a huge investment like there used to be.

Also, our local Y team requires 3-4 practice days a week during the season, and starts at age 6. I'm sorry, my elementary aged daughter didn't need to be swimming that often every week during the school year!

Again...a low stress, relaxed team that is out to give kids the swim team experience and swimming practice without all that pressure and expense of the current options.

We have summer swim teams through our park districts just like this! This is how my DD started swimming. It is about $80/summer with practice every day (M-F) from end of May to end of July. There are meets almost every Wed night & Sat morning....you make as many as you can, but have to do a minimum of 5 to go to conference. It is low-key and all parents work the meets & bring food items. Everyone swims every event during the season.

She did go on to a year round team (much more than $875) and went to state as a junior & senior (just graduated!!), but decided not to swim in college due to wanting to focus on school. She know many swimmers who spend 4-5 hours a day swimming during college season. It is a great sport and has kept her lean & healthy for many years! After 9 years of swim meets - I'm going to miss it.

princessmom29
07-20-2011, 12:00 PM
DD does noncompetitive dance 5 hours a week, and it runs me about $2500- $3000 a year for lessons, leos, shoes, costumes, tights ect. Swimming would be a bargian.

Disneybuckeye
07-20-2011, 12:04 PM
Keep in mind a swim team is very expensive to run. Indoor pools are very expensive to heat the water and the facility. Insurance costs money too. They may have had increases in these areas and needed to increase costs to cover.

ccgirl
07-20-2011, 12:06 PM
The team is a competitive team. I knew going into it in January that it wasn't going to be a cheap sport and also knew that as he gets older, the cost goes up because the amount of practices and time goes up.
I think the thing that is bothering myself and many of the other parents is that there was not explanation of the increase. We were told that they were going to a full season program to be more competitive, that other teams are doing it and that it will save them money and time on registration process. When I hear that a new process is going to save money and in the next sentence we are told that the fees are being increased, I wonder what is going on. Also, many other teams in the area are cheaper overall, have more coaches and much better facilities. We only have an indoor 25 yd pool that we have to share with the Y, leaving us 3-4 lanes at most for practice. Other YMCAs have indoor (25 yd) and outdoor (50 m) pools. Since my son is moving up to the 9-10 year old group, it is going to be a really large group of kids with only one coach and who knows how many lanes they will get to use at practice. This summer he did the long course season and we didn't even have a 50m pool to practice in. We couldn't even practice in our Y 25 yd pool because they allowed a team from another town to reserve it all summer in the mornings. We had to rent out a country club pool (25 yd), while most other teams had their own 50m pool to practice in. During the summer, they only swim 50m or higher races, so it was a bit of a disadvantage for our whole team.
I know that we will probably end up staying there because the next closest team is at least 20 miles away and it is going to cost just as much in gas to go 4 days/week and it will take more time away during the school year. I just want to vent a little and also wanted to get an idea of the cost others are paying around the country.

If they were going to a longer season; why would it be cheaper? Personally, I would move to the other teams. It seems your son would get more out of it; and you would get more for your money. Good luck.

mdrob214
07-20-2011, 02:44 PM
My kids both swim. Our team is probably the least expensive in our area. I pay $75 for one and $65 for the other ($10 family discount for 2nd kid). On top of that we have meet fees--usually $5 splash fee/meet and a charge of $4/event they swim. My bills average about $200/month, for 1-2 meets/month. On top of that, we have to pay annual dues to USA Swimming--I'm not sure the price, but ~$75 each. Our team does one fundraising activity each year: we sell fireworks at our stand for the 10 days they are legal each June/July. As long as we work one shift per child we are not charged a fundraising fee, but if we are unable to work (1 4-hr shift per child), then we are charged $100 each.

As I understand, our team is not as expensive as others in our area (Metro Omaha), due to the fact that we don't have to pay any pool usage fees.

So I would say that $875/year is not out of line! Hope you all stick with swimming--it's a great sport!

uk_wildcat
07-20-2011, 02:49 PM
If they were going to a longer season; why would it be cheaper?

They aren't extending the season, they are just combining Fall/Winter with Summer. Last year you could pay just for Fall/Winter and then pay for Summer if you chose to do it. Now you don't have a choice about summer, you have to do it and pay for it if you register for Fall. The combined fees for Fall and Summer last year are cheaper than the new fees for the same amount of time. They are also only giving us 5 months to pay for the seasons too, which is kind of crazy since the season lasts from Sept-July. It would be much easier to pay over even 8 months vs. 5.

Swimalie
07-20-2011, 07:03 PM
Keep in mind a swim team is very expensive to run. Indoor pools are very expensive to heat the water and the facility. Insurance costs money too. They may have had increases in these areas and needed to increase costs to cover.

If they were going to a longer season; why would it be cheaper? Personally, I would move to the other teams. It seems your son would get more out of it; and you would get more for your money. Good luck.

I agree that pools are very expensive to run and rent out. Last I heard, ours was $20 per lane per hour. With just our morning practice, that means $150 per morning and we are there 5 mornings a week. Plus an additional 5 hours at night to rent out 5 more lanes.

I'm curious, too as to why adding more to the season shouldn't mean an increase in fees. It sounds to me like they are meaning "competitive" meaning coming in first in races more often. Not competitive as in being the better bargain in the area.

uk_wildcat
07-20-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm curious, too as to why adding more to the season shouldn't mean an increase in fees. It sounds to me like they are meaning "competitive" meaning coming in first in races more often. Not competitive as in being the better bargain in the area.

I answered above about the adding to the season. They are not adding to it, they are just combining Fall and Summer into one fee, whereas before we paid for each season individually. The individual seasons are equal to the same amount of time as the combined season. The cost of each season individually when added together, was cheaper than what they are charging for the same amount of time. Nothing has changed except for the cost.

They definitely are talking about being more competitive in races and I can understand that, but we have many kids who are under the age of 8 (some are 6 years old) who don't do well in the summer season because of the distance they have to swim. I have a 6 year old who I would like to join the team when he is a little more experienced, but I would not feel comfortable putting him in 50m races at this age. We had a few kids this summer who were 6-8 who had a really hard time and would have done much better if they had not done the summer team and just waited until fall to start.

I think the full season (Fall + Summer) should be mandatory for the older age groups and optional for the younger ones who may not want to/be able to swim all year long.

Swimalie
07-21-2011, 05:18 AM
I answered above about the adding to the season. They are not adding to it, they are just combining Fall and Summer into one fee, whereas before we paid for each season individually. The individual seasons are equal to the same amount of time as the combined season. The cost of each season individually when added together, was cheaper than what they are charging for the same amount of time. Nothing has changed except for the cost.

They definitely are talking about being more competitive in races and I can understand that, but we have many kids who are under the age of 8 (some are 6 years old) who don't do well in the summer season because of the distance they have to swim. I have a 6 year old who I would like to join the team when he is a little more experienced, but I would not feel comfortable putting him in 50m races at this age. We had a few kids this summer who were 6-8 who had a really hard time and would have done much better if they had not done the summer team and just waited until fall to start.

I think the full season (Fall + Summer) should be mandatory for the older age groups and optional for the younger ones who may not want to/be able to swim all year long.

Okay, I see now. The fact that they combined the season's fees shouldn't mean an increase. Maybe it comes from an increase in the pool rental. I know a lot of them are going up in fees as costs for everything go up.

I agree that some kids at the youngest ages may not be ready for 50 yard races. But some are. I was some times racing 50's at age 6. Right now, the whole year is optional, if you don't join. Do you have a summer league near you that would be a better fit?

gandycat
07-21-2011, 06:25 AM
I haven't read all of the posts so this might be redundant. Our area has a YMCA league but there are other leagues out there. You could try a google search and see what you come up with. My kids' summer league was $175 for 2 kids (including $20 donation towards the concession stand and a $20 donation to opt out of fundraising). It's about 7 weeks. Our winter swim is $300 per kid, the season runs from late Sept and ends w/ Champs in late March. We pay extra for a few meets per year which are optional, it is at a local high school.