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candeeapril
07-13-2011, 03:42 PM
Hi I am going to be a first time cruiser. We are going on the Dream for a 4 night cruise in Nov. Is there a formal dress up night besides the Pirate night? Also, what do you wear in the dining rooms for dinner. My daughter and I can wear sundresses, but what about men and boys? Are children not allowed to wear shorts either or is that just for adults? Just wondering, because I have some nice shorts that would actually be cuter than wearing jeans? TIA

yargrnhoj
07-13-2011, 03:51 PM
Hi I am going to be a first time cruiser. We are going on the Dream for a 4 night cruise in Nov. Is there a formal dress up night besides the Pirate night? Also, what do you wear in the dining rooms for dinner. My daughter and I can wear sundresses, but what about men and boys? Are children not allowed to wear shorts either or is that just for adults? Just wondering, because I have some nice shorts that would actually be cuter than wearing jeans? TIA

There is no problem with the men and boys wearing sundresses, if they are so inclined. :goodvibes

Seriously, we have always had our boys bring one pair of pants and a polo shirt for a short cruise and just rewear it each night. On our last cruise, DCL lost our luggage, so the boys wore T-shirts and shorts. They were not the only ones.

As a word of caution, the dining rooms are often quite air conditioned so wearing shorts left my son feeling cold each night.

DCL does not enforce the dress code in the main dining rooms at all, or so we have seen.

grits98
07-13-2011, 04:05 PM
How old are your boys? If they're younger, I think some nice shorts would be okay. But, if they're older boys, then they should probably wear pants. My two cents is that it's nice to have the family looking good for dinner and for pictures!

I have to warn you, though, this subject can get very heated!

candeeapril
07-13-2011, 04:10 PM
LOL If we all wear dresses than that solves all my problems :)

mattmommy
07-13-2011, 04:25 PM
I wear tan capris with a nice shirt, ds10 and dh wear tan pants with polos. One pair of pants for each with a few different polos. We only wear them to eat in and we febreze them and hang them up afterwards. If they do get dirty, then we get them laundered.

Pirate night we wear our costumes to the show and dinner.

MisterOJ
07-13-2011, 04:45 PM
Hi I am going to be a first time cruiser. We are going on the Dream for a 4 night cruise in Nov. Is there a formal dress up night besides the Pirate night? Also, what do you wear in the dining rooms for dinner. My daughter and I can wear sundresses, but what about men and boys? Are children not allowed to wear shorts either or is that just for adults? Just wondering, because I have some nice shorts that would actually be cuter than wearing jeans? TIA

Shorts are completely allowed. You will see plenty of people wearing them - children and adults.

For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room, but it is a request only and your boys (or husband) will not be either turned away or even look out of place in the main dining rooms if they choose to wear shorts.

sambycat
07-13-2011, 06:03 PM
check out the FAQs/stickies at the top of the threads page for more info you might find helpful:goodvibes - and if you are brave, try using the search function and searching these boards for the many many many many frequent conversations, debates and round abouts on the whole dress for dinner topic! intereting reading! popcorn::

guarn3md
07-14-2011, 09:04 PM
Before going on our first Dream cruise I had read so many heated debates about this topic. I decided that my 9 year old son would bring two pair of pants and two nice shirts for dinner. He was not happy to have to look "handsome" for dinner but in the end it was what I was telling him to do. He just wore the outfits twice. Pirate night was awesome...we had tshirts design made from the Disign forum and I brought pirate bandanas. We dressed less formally that night. I think DS wore shorts. But everyone was dressed down. Our server loved our tshirts, we promised to make her one and bring it with us for our next Spring Break cruise 2012. I will agree that the dining room is very chilly and dressing in pants may be more comfortable. The other thing we didn't know is that they come around and take pictures each night while you are dining. We found this out the hard way...we had gone on the Dolphin swim when we were in Nassau. We had early dining and had little turn around time to get to dinner. We all did a quick wash up but still dressed nice. Lo and behold they came around and took several pictures. Not the best photos...no make up, etc... There are also many places to have formal pictures taken in the center atrium area...
The dining rooms are beautiful and dressing for dinner makes sense to me. I also noticed many people dressed semi formally and they looked really nice!
Have fun!

extechie rbd/wdt
07-14-2011, 09:26 PM
For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room

Really???!
You seriously asking why no shorts in a served on restaurant MisterOJ? :confused3

candeeapril,
You have the ability to wear whatever you and your family feel would be appropriate to eat in a restaurant.
Or you have the option to abide by DCL's request to not wear shorts in the dining room.

It's your choice, the majority of people choose to abide by the attire request, and a few that choose to do what they want, and ignore the request.

Whatever you choose you will have a great time and the CM's wont hassle you about your attire (except in Palo and Remy).

Ex Techie

MrsScooby
07-14-2011, 09:46 PM
Shorts are completely allowed. You will see plenty of people wearing them - children and adults.

For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room, but it is a request only and your boys (or husband) will not be either turned away or even look out of place in the main dining rooms if they choose to wear shorts.

:thumbsup2

We saw plenty of people in shorts in the main dining rooms on our recent Dream cruise.

Because of the heated debates on these boards about this topic I paid close attention this time (plus our table in the Enchanted Garden was right by the entrance so I saw quite a few people coming and going). It was mostly the men and the kids that were dressed in shorts. We wound up with a semi-formal night in Royal Palace and that was the only night I don't recall seeing folks in shorts:confused3 But I was not seated near the entrance this time-so didn't see as much as in EG.

Makayna
07-14-2011, 10:00 PM
To me, it's like this: If you enter someone's house and they ask you not to smoke, out of courtesy, you don't smoke in their home. It would be rude to, right? Well, this is DCL's home, so to speak. They make the rules. We are guests on board their ships. They request that people (men, women and children) not wear shorts to dinner. This seems like a reasonable request. They're not requiring women to wear skirts or dresses every night, or men to wear 3 piece tuxes every night. They're asking that people not wear shorts to dinner. As in the above example, it would be rude to do otherwise. So, you must decide for yourself if that's a rule you will follow or not. Many people don't follow that rule, but that doesn't necessarily make it OK.

Will they let you into dinner wearing shorts? Absolutely. Will people look at you funny or roll their eyes at you? Possibly, but you may or may not ever even know. And if another guest were to ever say anything to you about it, that's shame on them - not shame on you. Nobody on this forum can tell you whether you're going to feel comfortable wearing shorts when the majority of people will be wearing pants or possibly even more dressed up than that. You might feel comfortable; you might not. We don't know you so we can't tell you how you will feel in that environment.

All we can say with certainty is that DCL has asked that guests please not wear shorts to dinner.

TXDCLfan
07-14-2011, 10:21 PM
Shorts are completely allowed. You will see plenty of people wearing them - children and adults.

For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room, but it is a request only and your boys (or husband) will not be either turned away or even look out of place in the main dining rooms if they choose to wear shorts.

Maybe they do this to set a nice dining atmosphere for everyone :rolleyes1:rolleyes1

twindaddy
07-14-2011, 10:38 PM
To the OP (that is original poster), just use the search function, search for "shorts" and "dinner", and look for the threads with the lock next to them. Those were the heated threads that got shut down by a moderator, you will see both sides present their case very well. The term beat a dead horse comes to mind.

You will find opinions that range from "do whatever the hell you want, its your cruise" to "I cannot disgest my food, get explosive diarhea, and want to jump overboard when I see someone in shorts" and everywhere in between.

Enjoy your cruise! :thumbsup2

Makayna
07-14-2011, 10:50 PM
To the OP (that is original poster), just use the search function, search for "shorts" and "dinner", and look for the threads with the lock next to them. Those were the heated threads that got shut down by a moderator, you will see both sides present their case very well.

Or, just wait about 12 hours (or less) and this one will probably have the same thing happen to it! ;)

Retroloco
07-14-2011, 11:01 PM
To the OP (that is original poster), just use the search function, search for "shorts" and "dinner", and look for the threads with the lock next to them. Those were the heated threads that got shut down by a moderator, you will see both sides present their case very well. The term beat a dead horse comes to mind.

You will find opinions that range from "do whatever the hell you want, its your cruise" to "I cannot disgest my food, get explosive diarhea, and want to jump overboard when I see someone in shorts" and everywhere in between.

Enjoy your cruise! :thumbsup2

Man that response was just awesome!:rotfl2: :worship:

cypressmom
07-15-2011, 07:06 AM
To me, it's like this: If you enter someone's house and they ask you not to smoke, out of courtesy, you don't smoke in their home. It would be rude to, right? Well, this is DCL's home, so to speak. They make the rules. We are guests on board their ships. They request that people (men, women and children) not wear shorts to dinner. This seems like a reasonable request. They're not requiring women to wear skirts or dresses every night, or men to wear 3 piece tuxes every night. They're asking that people not wear shorts to dinner. As in the above example, it would be rude to do otherwise. So, you must decide for yourself if that's a rule you will follow or not. Many people don't follow that rule, but that doesn't necessarily make it OK.

Will they let you into dinner wearing shorts? Absolutely. Will people look at you funny or roll their eyes at you? Possibly, but you may or may not ever even know. And if another guest were to ever say anything to you about it, that's shame on them - not shame on you. Nobody on this forum can tell you whether you're going to feel comfortable wearing shorts when the majority of people will be wearing pants or possibly even more dressed up than that. You might feel comfortable; you might not. We don't know you so we can't tell you how you will feel in that environment.

All we can say with certainty is that DCL has asked that guests please not wear shorts to dinner.

:thumbsup2

Great reply! My family will NOT be in shorts in the dining room.

DVCconvert
07-15-2011, 07:10 AM
Shorts are completely allowed. You will see plenty of people wearing them - children and adults.

For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room, but it is a request only and your boys (or husband) will not be either turned away or even look out of place in the main dining rooms if they choose to wear shorts.

I agree with this completely

DVCconvert
07-15-2011, 07:12 AM
All we can say with certainty is that DCL has asked that guests please not wear shorts to dinner.

We can also say with certainty that DCL, permits guests to wear shorts to dinner.

candeeapril
07-15-2011, 10:07 AM
Thanks for the advice. I wasn't trying to start a debate. To avoid any problems I will pack a pair of dockers for the boys/men. We have never been on a cruise so I was afraid that if I made the boys dress up and everyone else was in shorts...I would have some very unhappy boys :) As long as they aren't they only ones dressed up they will be fine.
It's hard to know what all to pack, because we are also going to WDW for 4 days after cruise.

Thanks again for observations :)

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 02:13 PM
To me, it's like this: If you enter someone's house and they ask you not to smoke, out of courtesy, you don't smoke in their home. It would be rude to, right? Well, this is DCL's home, so to speak. They make the rules. We are guests on board their ships. They request that people (men, women and children) not wear shorts to dinner. This seems like a reasonable request. They're not requiring women to wear skirts or dresses every night, or men to wear 3 piece tuxes every night. They're asking that people not wear shorts to dinner. As in the above example, it would be rude to do otherwise. So, you must decide for yourself if that's a rule you will follow or not. Many people don't follow that rule, but that doesn't necessarily make it OK.

Will they let you into dinner wearing shorts? Absolutely. Will people look at you funny or roll their eyes at you? Possibly, but you may or may not ever even know. And if another guest were to ever say anything to you about it, that's shame on them - not shame on you. Nobody on this forum can tell you whether you're going to feel comfortable wearing shorts when the majority of people will be wearing pants or possibly even more dressed up than that. You might feel comfortable; you might not. We don't know you so we can't tell you how you will feel in that environment.

All we can say with certainty is that DCL has asked that guests please not wear shorts to dinner.

I bolded the important part. DCL makes the rules, and their rules allow you to wear shorts if you choose. Period. If they wanted to have a strict dress code for the main dining rooms (like the do for Palo and Remy) they could, because like you pointed out - they make the rules.

Now, your analogy about being a guest in someone's house and not smoking doesn't really fit. You're not a guest of DCL. You're a customer. Big difference.

And while it is a certainty that DCL requests no shorts, it's also a certainty that plenty of people choose to wear them and it's also a certainty that they are allowed in the main dining rooms.

lbuher
07-15-2011, 02:29 PM
I normally stay completely and totally out of these threads and just read them for kicks. But I feel the need to point out something that hasn't been mentioned in many of the most recent discussions about the dress code. DCL might request that no shorts be worn, but in their own promotional material for the Dream, they clearly show families wearing shorts in the dining rooms. And they aren't pictures of real families that they are showing - they are drawings/depictions of people. (And no, I'm not gonna spend the time to go find the particular pictures I'm thinking of and posting them here - I just know I've seen them and that they HAVE been posted on this board in the past).

If DCL really didn't want people to wear shorts to dinner, then they really ought not promote it with their advertising. The impression that MOST people would get from looking at those promotional materials is that the atmosphere for the dining rooms is casual, and that shorts are completely and totally acceptable.

Yes, their fine print in other materials may mention a request to NOT wear shorts, but from my perspective, it's their fault for the conflicting information out there. It's not the fault of people here (like us) that A)prefer a more laid-back, casual dress code on vacation or B)are not bothered in the least by folks who choose to wear shorts to dinner on vacation. DCL's own promotional materials would support that casual point of view - not contradict it.

Don't really feel like I've expressed myself all that well, but you get the gist...

eva
07-15-2011, 03:25 PM
To the OP (that is original poster), just use the search function, search for "shorts" and "dinner", and look for the threads with the lock next to them. Those were the heated threads that got shut down by a moderator, you will see both sides present their case very well. The term beat a dead horse comes to mind.

You will find opinions that range from "do whatever the hell you want, its your cruise" to "I cannot disgest my food, get explosive diarhea, and want to jump overboard when I see someone in shorts" and everywhere in between.

Enjoy your cruise! :thumbsup2

Love your answer! :rotfl:

Makayna
07-15-2011, 03:30 PM
I bolded the important part. DCL makes the rules, and their rules allow you to wear shorts if you choose. Period. If they wanted to have a strict dress code for the main dining rooms (like the do for Palo and Remy) they could, because like you pointed out - they make the rules.

Now, your analogy about being a guest in someone's house and not smoking doesn't really fit. You're not a guest of DCL. You're a customer. Big difference.

And while it is a certainty that DCL requests no shorts, it's also a certainty that plenty of people choose to wear them and it's also a certainty that they are allowed in the main dining rooms.

True. In the past, DCL has not enforced this rule. There are MANY rules that DCL has not enforced. But what about them now enforcing the arrival times to port? Many past DCL cruisers who've gotten to port early when their arrival time said 1pm were totally allowed to check in and board earlier than that, and not all of them are DIS board members who read the posts here and know that this rule is going to start being enforced. So many people in August will probably show up at whatever time they feel like it simply because they have in the past and will be met with the cold hard reality that they'll have to wait until their check-in time (which COULD be several hours) before they can check in.

Wouldn't it SUCK if DCL decided to start enforcing the no shorts in the dining rooms rule?! If a family, KNOWING that the rule says no shorts, ONLY packs shorts for their family, and therefore doesn't have any pants, skirts or dresses, were to get turned away because they're wearing shorts?! Chances are, it won't happen. But it could. And that would really, really suck if a family only brought shorts for their cruise and were turned away from the main dining halls.

The point is, you never know when DCL is going to start enforcing their rules. ;)

eva
07-15-2011, 03:30 PM
We can also say with certainty that DCL, permits guests to wear shorts to dinner.

They also permit people to save seats at the theater, jump in the pools, wear diapers in the pools, wear jeans at Palo, smoke in non-smoking areas, save loungers at the pool, take flash pictures and video tape in the theater, and much more. They have many rules on DCL that are not followed. Disney just has a tough time enforcing their own rules. Get some backbone DCL!

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 03:35 PM
They also permit people to save seats at the theater, jump in the pools, wear diapers in the pools, wear jeans at Palo, smoke in non-smoking areas, save loungers at the pool, take flash pictures in the theater, and much more. They have many rules on DCL that are not followed. Disney just has a tough time enforcing their own rules. Get some backbone DCL!

With respect, that's sorta apples and oranges.

Several of the things you pointed out are black and white rules they have made. You are not supposed to save seats or smoke in non-smoking areas. Period. Those are rules, not requests.

The no shorts in the main dining rooms is not a rule, but clearly stated as a request.

Dress Code
The dress code for dinner changes nightly. Check the Personal Navigator—the Disney Cruise Line daily newsletter detailing all there is to see and do—for more information while onboard. However, in keeping with the elegant theme, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts whilst dining in Lumiere's for dinner.

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/magic/dining/lumieres/

Makayna
07-15-2011, 03:36 PM
They also permit people to save seats at the theater, jump in the pools, wear diapers in the pools, wear jeans at Palo, smoke in non-smoking areas, save loungers at the pool, take flash pictures in the theater, and much more. They have many rules on DCL that are not followed. Disney just has a tough time enforcing their own rules. Get some backbone DCL!

This is true. If DCL simply enforced their rules, it would make life MUCH easier for everyone, especially the CMs. Sure, it'd be harder in the beginning, but it's REALLY hard when you get a CM who DOES try to enforce the rules when the majority of other CMs don't. It makes their jobs so much harder!

But if DCL simply started requiring that their managers enforce ALL DCL rules and requests, then not only would it streamline things to make them more uniform, but it'd also make cruising on DCL safer for ALL guests. :cool:

/pedestal

lbuher
07-15-2011, 03:38 PM
They also permit people to save seats at the theater, jump in the pools, wear diapers in the pools, wear jeans at Palo, smoke in non-smoking areas, save loungers at the pool, take flash pictures and video tape in the theater, and much more. They have many rules on DCL that are not followed. Disney just has a tough time enforcing their own rules. Get some backbone DCL!

All excellent points, but part of the confusion/frustration/disagreement when it comes to the dining code is that it really isn't a RULE, per say. It's a request, in fine print. And their promotional materials DON'T portray people jumping in pools, wearing jeans at Palo, smoking in non-smoking areas, etc.... As mentioned above, they DO portray families wearing shorts in the dining room.

Makayna
07-15-2011, 03:43 PM
With respect, that's sorta apples and oranges.

Several of the things you pointed out are black and white rules they have made. You are not supposed to save seats or smoke in non-smoking areas. Period. Those are rules, not requests.

The no shorts in the main dining rooms is not a rule, but clearly stated as a request.



http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/magic/dining/lumieres/

Whether it's a rule or request is a moot point, and simply a matter of semantics! The point is that DCL doesn't enforce their rules OR their requests, and if they'd simply enforce their policies (which could be both rules AND requests), then their cruises would be more streamlined with not as much variance as what you have now, and it'd also be safer and more enjoyable for ALL guests.

Whether you call it a rule or a request, it's still a policy that DCL would like their guests to follow. If you don't like that rule, then express your dissatisfaction by NOT cruising with them. But breaking the rules, requests or policies is just rude, IMO. It's a slap in the face to DCL. It's saying, "I don't really care WHAT you want me to do! I'm paying good money to go on your cruise and I'll do whatever the heck I want to do, including let my kids swim in Quiet Cove, let my babies swim in the pools, wear whatever I want to wear whenever I want to wear it, save seats in the theatres and lounge chairs in the pools, etc..." and that simply makes the cruise far less enjoyable for everyone else around. Like it or not, it does.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 03:49 PM
Whether it's a rule or request is a moot point, and simply a matter of semantics! The point is that DCL doesn't enforce their rules OR their requests, and if they'd simply enforce their policies (which could be both rules AND requests), then their cruises would be more streamlined with not as much variance as what you have now, and it'd also be safer and more enjoyable for ALL guests.

Whether you call it a rule or a request, it's still a policy that DCL would like their guests to follow. If you don't like that rule, then express your dissatisfaction by NOT cruising with them. But breaking the rules, requests or policies is just rude, IMO. It's a slap in the face to DCL. It's saying, "I don't really care WHAT you want me to do! I'm paying good money to go on your cruise and I'll do whatever the heck I want to do, including let my kids swim in Quiet Cove, let my babies swim in the pools, wear whatever I want to wear whenever I want to wear it, save seats in the theatres and lounge chairs in the pools, etc..." and that simply makes the cruise far less enjoyable for everyone else around. Like it or not, it does.

I look at it much differently than you. To me, a rule is something that you have to follow. It's mandatory. That's why it's a rule. I follow rules and expect others to do the same.

A request is different. Requests are not mandatory, and thus, it is left up to the customer to choose to abide by the request - or not.

DCL has the power and the right to change the no shorts request to a rule. If they do that before I cruise with them next year for my third cruise, I will comply and wear long pants to dinner each night. If they choose to leave it as an optional request, then I will probably do what I did on past cruises - wear long pants some nights and nice khaki shorts other nights, as I see fit.

lbuher
07-15-2011, 03:51 PM
Whether it's a rule or request is a moot point, and simply a matter of semantics! The point is that DCL doesn't enforce their rules OR their requests, and if they'd simply enforce their policies (which could be both rules AND requests), then their cruises would be more streamlined with not as much variance as what you have now, and it'd also be safer and more enjoyable for ALL guests.

Whether you call it a rule or a request, it's still a policy that DCL would like their guests to follow. If you don't like that rule, then express your dissatisfaction by NOT cruising with them. But breaking the rules, requests or policies is just rude, IMO. It's a slap in the face to DCL. It's saying, "I don't really care WHAT you want me to do! I'm paying good money to go on your cruise and I'll do whatever the heck I want to do, including let my kids swim in Quiet Cove, let my babies swim in the pools, wear whatever I want to wear whenever I want to wear it, save seats in the theatres and lounge chairs in the pools, etc..." and that simply makes the cruise far less enjoyable for everyone else around. Like it or not, it does.

I don't really know how things work at your house, but there IS a difference in mine between a rule and a request. And again, please see post #27. I would agree that DCL needs to be consistent with their enforcement of their rules. They also need to make their advertising consistent with their requests. (or vice versa... make their requests consistent with their advertising)

Makayna
07-15-2011, 04:00 PM
I look at it much differently than you. To me, a rule is something that you have to follow. It's mandatory. That's why it's a rule. I follow rules and expect others to do the same.

A request is different. Requests are not mandatory, and thus, it is left up to the customer to choose to abide by the request - or not.

DCL has the power and the right to change the no shorts request to a rule. If they do that before I cruise with them next year for my third cruise, I will comply and wear long pants to dinner each night. If they choose to leave it as an optional request, then I will probably do what I did on past cruises - wear long pants some nights and nice khaki shorts other nights, as I see fit.

So then, which of DCL's policies are rules and which ones are requests?! There are LOTS of things that people do on the ships that DCL has posted that are not allowed... and for the most part, DCL does not enforce these things. Now I don't know about the advertising... I haven't seen these pictures so I'm not sure about that. Perhaps they were showing people in the casual dining rooms or the quick service dining facilities and not in the main dining rooms? Again, I haven't seen these pictures, so I can't comment on that. But either way, who's job is it to determine which policies that DCL puts on their site are requests and which ones are rules?! Shouldn't they simply ALL be followed so that there's no confusion on what's a rule and what's a request?! :confused3

Then, there's no saying, "but DCL - that was a request you made! Not a rule!" when all of a sudden, they decide to enforce it like they are the port arrival times. ;)

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 04:07 PM
Here is the difference between a request and a rule. All from the DCL Web site pages for the various dining rooms.

This is what it says regarding the Royal Palace on the Dream. I added the bold so you could easily tell the difference.

Dress Code
The dress code for dinner at Royal Palace changes daily. Check the Personal Navigator—the Disney Cruise Line daily newsletter detailing all there is to see and do—for more information while onboard. However, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts whilst dining in Royal Palace for dinner.
http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/royal-palace/

Here is what it says for Palo
Dress Code
At Palo, dress pants and shirt or jacket is required for men and a dress or pantsuit is required for women. Please no jeans, shorts, capri pants, flip-flops or tennis shoes.
http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/palo/

Surely you can tell the difference between a rule (aka, saying NO shorts in Palo) versus what is a request (saying "you are requested" to not wear shorts in the Royal Palace), can't you?

Makayna
07-15-2011, 04:13 PM
Here is the difference between a request and a rule. All from the DCL Web site pages for the various dining rooms.

This is what it says regarding the Royal Palace on the Dream. I added the bold so you could easily tell the difference.

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/royal-palace/

Here is what it says for Palo

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/ships-activities/ships/dream/dining/palo/

Surely you can tell the difference between a rule (aka, saying NO shorts in Palo) versus what is a request (saying "you are requested" to not wear shorts in the Royal Palace), can't you?

So you're certain that nobody has EVER been allowed into Palo wearing jeans (perhaps with a collared shirt and jacket) or capris (like, for instance, nice ones)? You're sure?! ;) Because according to you, that's a requirement, and therefore, a rule. And rules are ALWAYS enforced on the DCL ships, right?! ;)

girl_barrie
07-15-2011, 04:15 PM
OK - for all of you who say that wearing shorts is just a request and you are OK with it...
If I choose to show up to dinner in my Daisy Dukes with my everything hanging out, that is OK for you??? Even if I have to turn around and pick something up and that exposes my bare cheeks to your child???
Or if my (thank goodness he isn't!!!) 300+ pound hubby wants to show up in his gym shorts that barely strain to keep his 'hangy down parts' in check, that's OK with you??? Even if he accidentally exposes himself when he sits spread legged as guys do???

Extreme examples, yes. However they are all fashion faux pas that can occur when shorts are worn. Not pants.
IMO - 'no shorts' in the dining rooms keeps the level of attire attractive for all. No need to determine that THAT pair of shorts are fine, but THOSE are not! ALL shorts are NOT acceptable in the dining rooms.
There are plenty of casual places to eat onboard if you don't want to get out of your shorts and bathing suits. The dining room is not the place for it.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 04:23 PM
So you're certain that nobody has EVER been allowed into Palo wearing jeans (perhaps with a collared shirt and jacket) or capris (like, for instance, nice ones)? You're sure?! ;)

You're moving the goal posts.

We were talking about the difference between a request and a rule as it applies to shorts in the main dining rooms. The discussion was never about jeans in Palo.

If you want to go there, though, I would never wear jeans to Palo, because it is stated as a rule. I would (and have) worn shorts to the MDRs because that is clearly stated as a request.

Maybe I could get away with jeans in Palo. I don't know. That's not the point anyone in this thread is discussing. It's about shorts in the main dining rooms.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 04:26 PM
OK - for all of you who say that wearing shorts is just a request and you are OK with it...
If I choose to show up to dinner in my Daisy Dukes with my everything hanging out, that is OK for you??? Even if I have to turn around and pick something up and that exposes my bare cheeks to your child???
Or if my (thank goodness he isn't!!!) 300+ pound hubby wants to show up in his gym shorts that barely strain to keep his 'hangy down parts' in check, that's OK with you??? Even if he accidentally exposes himself when he sits spread legged as guys do???

Extreme examples, yes. However they are all fashion faux pas that can occur when shorts are worn. Not pants.
IMO - 'no shorts' in the dining rooms keeps the level of attire attractive for all. No need to determine that THAT pair of shorts are fine, but THOSE are not! ALL shorts are NOT acceptable in the dining rooms.
There are plenty of casual places to eat onboard if you don't want to get out of your shorts and bathing suits. The dining room is not the place for it.

So you're point is that it's impossible to look trashy while wearing long pants? I think we both know that's not the case at all. A person can look perfectly fine and acceptable in nice shorts, just as the same person can look trashy in a pair of crappy, wrinkled, or otherwise unacceptable long pants.

girl_barrie
07-15-2011, 04:32 PM
So you're point is that it's impossible to look trashy while wearing long pants? I think we both know that's not the case at all. A person can look perfectly fine and acceptable in nice shorts, just as the same person can look trashy in a pair of crappy, wrinkled, or otherwise unacceptable long pants.

No. My point is that it eliminates the debate of whether or not one pair of shorts is acceptable over another to follow the policy.
What if I happen to think that my Daisy Dukes are FABULOUS?? Just like you REALLY like your cargo shorts??? We can both wear our shorts in appropriate areas of the ship. Trashy is an opinion. Policy is stated.

Makayna
07-15-2011, 04:35 PM
You're moving the goal posts.

We were talking about the difference between a request and a rule as it applies to shorts in the main dining rooms. The discussion was never about jeans in Palo.

If you want to go there, though, I would never wear jeans to Palo, because it is stated as a rule. I would (and have) worn shorts to the MDRs because that is clearly stated as a request.

Maybe I could get away with jeans in Palo. I don't know. That's not the point anyone in this thread is discussing. It's about shorts in the main dining rooms.

Maybe YOU would never wear jeans to Palo. But others might. So where does it end?! Why can't it end with: "The dress code for dinner changes nightly. Check the Personal Navigator—the Disney Cruise Line daily newsletter detailing all there is to see and do—for more information while onboard. However, in keeping with the elegant theme, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts whilst dining in Lumiere's for dinner." There. They requested that shorts, tank tops and the like not be worn. Why can't THAT be the standard that is to be followed? Why does it matter that it's a request and not a rule? (according to you, that is). Why does 11 not REALLY mean 11 in the Edge? And 14 doesn't REALLY mean 14 in the Vibe? Why does Adults only in Quiet Cove not REALLY mean ADULTS only (meaning 18 and up)? Why should there be differences? DCL has stated no shorts in the main dining rooms. Whether it was a rule, a request, a policy, a standard, a commandment, a beg or a behest, why shouldn't it be followed regardless?!

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 04:57 PM
Maybe YOU would never wear jeans to Palo. But others might. So where does it end?! Why can't it end with: "The dress code for dinner changes nightly. Check the Personal Navigator—the Disney Cruise Line daily newsletter detailing all there is to see and do—for more information while onboard. However, in keeping with the elegant theme, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts whilst dining in Lumiere's for dinner." There. They requested that shorts, tank tops and the like not be worn. Why can't THAT be the standard that is to be followed? Why does it matter that it's a request and not a rule? (according to you, that is). Why does 11 not REALLY mean 11 in the Edge? And 14 doesn't REALLY mean 14 in the Vibe? Why does Adults only in Quiet Cove not REALLY mean ADULTS only (meaning 18 and up)? Why should there be differences? DCL has stated no shorts in the main dining rooms. Whether it was a rule, a request, a policy, a standard, a commandment, a beg or a behest, why shouldn't it be followed regardless?!

Because there is a difference between a request and a rule. At least to me. If you want to adhere to every request that is made to you, that is your prerogative.

I think DCL knew what they were doing when they made it a clear rule that there are no shorts in Palo, but merely requested it in the MDRs. They clearly want to give people the choice.

This next bit is all my conjecture. They also want to keep it somewhat classy,
even in the MDRs. To me, since it is requested that there are no shorts in the dining room, I read between the lines for that to mean, "Look, we're going to allow shorts, but keep them nice, please." I may be way off base, but based on what I have seen through personal experience on my past two Disney cruises, I think that is pretty close to the truth.

Bottom line, DCL has made it optional to wear shorts by stating that as a request. They allow loads and loads of people to dress this way cruise after cruise after cruise. If that bothers you, perhaps you should choose a different, more stodgy cruise line.

Makayna
07-15-2011, 04:58 PM
If that bothers you, perhaps you should choose a different, more stodgy cruise line.

I personally could care less. I just like to argue. :p

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 05:02 PM
Makayna,

Whilst i completely agree with and admire your attitude towards following the rules and requests that DCL ask, you really are flogging a dead horse. I've given up.

Some people are selfish and I will say ignorant, and they will try exploit loop holes and argue that a request is only a suggestion until the death.

Until DCL strictly enforce their rules and request's then people will object and try to either find way's to justify their disobedience or just plain ignore them.

Even if DCL do start to impose a "if you wear shorts, tank tops, jeans etc" you will not be admitted into the restaurant's policy, can you imagine the amount of people that will be complaining as they didn't know, the print was too small etc.....

Now I just think anyone who is offended by shorts, tank tops, jeans etc in the dining rooms should avoid a DCL cruise.

Ex Techie

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 05:03 PM
I personally could care less. I just like to argue. :p

I do too.... but only when I'm right. :rotfl2::hippie:

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 05:07 PM
Makayna,

Whilst i completely agree with and admire your attitude towards following the rules and requests that DCL ask, you really are flogging a dead horse. I've given up.

Some people are selfish and I will say ignorant, and they will try exploit loop holes and argue that a request is only a suggestion until the death.

Until DCL strictly enforce their rules and request's then people will object and try to either find way's to justify their disobedience or just plain ignore them.

Even if DCL do start to impose a "if you wear shorts, tank tops, jeans etc" you will not be admitted into the restaurant's policy, can you imagine the amount of people that will be complaining as they didn't know, the print was too small etc.....

Now I just think anyone who is offended by shorts, tank tops, jeans etc in the dining rooms should avoid a DCL cruise.

Ex Techie

Just a quick question for you...

Look at post 32.

See the difference in the way DCL words their dress codes for Palo and the Main Dining Rooms? Do you think DCL did that accidentally or by design?

Makayna
07-15-2011, 05:08 PM
Because there is a difference between a request and a rule. At least to me. If you want to adhere to every request that is made to you, that is your prerogative.

I think DCL knew what they were doing when they made it a clear rule that there are no shorts in Palo, but merely requested it in the MDRs. They clearly want to give people the choice.

This next bit is all my conjecture. They also want to keep it somewhat classy,
even in the MDRs. To me, since it is requested that there are no shorts in the dining room, I read between the lines for that to mean, "Look, we're going to allow shorts, but keep them nice, please." I may be way off base, but based on what I have seen through personal experience on my past two Disney cruises, I think that is pretty close to the truth.

Bottom line, DCL has made it optional to wear shorts by stating that as a request. They allow loads and loads of people to dress this way cruise after cruise after cruise. If that bothers you, perhaps you should choose a different, more stodgy cruise line.

My biggest deal is, where does it stop? Not EVERYONE is going to interpret the request as "please dress nicely for dinner, and if you do wear shorts, please make sure they're nice ones." Many people will inevitably see others wearing nice, dressy shorts, and will interpret that as, "I can wear whatever I want" and the "classiness" is completely lost. Just like the teen room, the tween room, the lab and the club ages. Because DCL doesn't enforce the rules, very few 9-10 year olds want to stay in the lab because they let 3 and 4 year olds in there. And then safety becomes an issue as well (letting 13 year olds hang out with 17 year olds CAN sometimes cause issues, but since the ages aren't enforced, it happens).

What I'm saying is, when the rule, policy, request or whatever it is is broken, it causes this muddled mess that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to enforce ANY sort of spirit of the rule or request at all! So instead of only classy shorts, they get people wearing whatever the heck they want! Instead of just 11-13 year olds in Edge, they get 10 year olds and perhaps the occasional 9 year old because they can't enforce the policies they put in place!

I really could care less if people wear shorts to dinner. Hell, I could care less if they're wearing less than that! I've seen dresses with ladies' "ladies" hanging out of them, but according to DCL's guidelines, showing cleavage is perfectly acceptable, but to most, that's more offensive than seeing somebody's shin! So I agree with you there. But at the same time, if we don't all follow the "requests" then it ALL gets muddled and the point that DCL was trying to make when they made the request/rule is completely lost. And THAT is what I find really sad, and in some cases, dangerous.

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 05:17 PM
Just a quick question for you...

Look at post 32.

See the difference in the way DCL words their dress codes for Palo and the Main Dining Rooms? Do you think DCL did that accidentally or by design?

I have read the entire thread and many others about the same subject.
However DCL state they have a zero tolerance policy for shorts and jeans etc etc etc in Palo and Remy.

They also request that shorts are not worn in the restaurants'.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/request
"an act of asking politely or formally for something:"

If you chose to ignore a polite or formal request then sir, you are being ignorant.
You are deliberately choosing to ignore the owner's or managers wishes. (DCL)

Just because they allow it to happen, doesn't make it right.

Ex Techie

TLSnell1981
07-15-2011, 05:17 PM
Shorts are completely allowed. You will see plenty of people wearing them - children and adults.

For some reason, DCL requests no shorts in the dining room, but it is a request only and your boys (or husband) will not be either turned away or even look out of place in the main dining rooms if they choose to wear shorts.:stir:

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 05:31 PM
misterOJ,

Please accept my apology as I didn't mean to say you were ignorant, just that you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word.


My post should read:

If you chose to ignore a polite or formal request then sir, you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word.
You are deliberately choosing to ignore the owner's or managers wishes. (DCL)

Just because they allow it to happen, doesn't make it right.

Ex Techie

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 05:31 PM
I have read the entire thread and many others about the same subject.
However DCL state they have a zero tolerance policy for shorts and jeans etc etc etc in Palo and Remy.

They also request that shorts are not worn in the restaurants'.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/request
"an act of asking politely or formally for something:"

If you chose to ignore a polite or formal request then sir, you are being ignorant.
You are deliberately choosing to ignore the owner's or managers wishes. (DCL)

Just because they allow it to happen, doesn't make it right.

Ex Techie

If DCL really didn't want anyone wearing shorts at dinner, they would simply make it the same policy as Palo and Remy.

It is fully within DCL's power to set whatever dress code the company wants. They choose to request no shorts - leaving it up to the consumer to decide. If they wanted no shorts, they could make it so. Since they choose otherwise, it is completely logical to conclude that they don't mind shorts - at least to a certain degree.

DCL knows what is going on in its dining rooms. If they felt the atmosphere of the past several years was inappropriate, they would take steps to change it. If anything, the main dining rooms have gotten more casual - not less.

You can choose to see it however you like. I think my view reflects how DCL does, since they obviously are not taking any measures to change how people choose to dress in the MDRs.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 05:34 PM
misterOJ,

Please accept my apology as I didn't mean to say you were ignorant, just that you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word.


My post should read:

If you chose to ignore a polite or formal request then sir, you are misunderstanding the meaning of the word.
You are deliberately choosing to ignore the owner's or managers wishes. (DCL)

Just because they allow it to happen, doesn't make it right.

Ex Techie

No apology necessary. No offense taken. :grouphug: lol

Makayna
07-15-2011, 05:43 PM
If anything, the main dining rooms have gotten more casual - not less.

Exactly!!! ;)

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 05:48 PM
Exactly!!! ;)

I know it's not for everyone, but I am glad for it. I go on vacation to relax and have fun. I don't want to worry about dressing up and whatnot. Now, I'm not going to look like a slob, mind you. I will be perfectly presentable, but casual.

I know that's not to some people's liking, but I think this is the way most people feel about vacations. And I think DCL realizes that. That's why they give people the option of wearing shorts to dinner, because a good (maybe large) portion of their consumer base likes it.

I don't look for DCL to change its dress code so long as its model right now stays profitable and the majority of people cruising are happy with the way it is.

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 05:59 PM
DCL has rules for CM's, one of them is:

Safety
Show
Courtesy
Efficiency

But they should read (IMO and experience)

Safety
Profit
Show
Courtesy
Efficiency

But that's and entirely different thread!

DCL have rules and if Guests ignore them, then they chose to ignore the disobedience.
Trip reports and cruise rating's take precedence over their wishes as it reflects in their pocket and cruise ratings.

It's all about the dollar and if people do not complain and not come back then nothing will change.

Ex Techie

TLSnell1981
07-15-2011, 06:06 PM
I know it's not for everyone, but I am glad for it. I go on vacation to relax and have fun. I don't want to worry about dressing up and whatnot. Now, I'm not going to look like a slob, mind you. I will be perfectly presentable, but casual.

I know that's not to some people's liking, but I think this is the way most people feel about vacations. And I think DCL realizes that. That's why they give people the option of wearing shorts to dinner, because a good (maybe large) portion of their consumer base likes it.

I don't look for DCL to change its dress code so long as its model right now stays profitable and the majority of people cruising are happy with the way it is.
You have to be in shorts to relax and have fun... really?

lbuher
07-15-2011, 06:08 PM
You have to me in shorts to relax and have fun... really?

Both my DH and DS do, yes.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 06:11 PM
You have to me in shorts to relax and have fun... really?

Do I have to? No, not really. Some nights I wear dress slacks to dinner. Some nights I wear khaki pants. Other nights I wear khaki shorts. For me, I find shorts the most relaxing of those three options though. And I'm glad DCL allows me to choose which I want to wear to dinner.

Makayna
07-15-2011, 06:15 PM
I think my view reflects how DCL does, since they obviously are not taking any measures to change how people choose to dress in the MDRs.

Just because they're not enforcing their policies doesn't mean that they feel exactly the way you do. If they did, they wouldn't list not wearing shorts at all on their website and in cruise documents. They would word it differently so it is understood that guests are to dress nicely for dinner, not just "please do not wear shorts." But, they listed it the way they listed it on purpose. I believe that they DON'T want guests to wear shorts to dinner! But that they allow it in order to not appear stuffy, and to encourage repeat business. If they were SO rigid on that fact, then they would lose repeat business and would get a reputation for being pretentious and snobby. :snooty: And that would be far worse to them than having some of their patrons wear shorts to dinner.

However, I believe that their NOT enforcing rules is going to one day bite them in the you know where. Perhaps not with dining attire, but more likely some other rule that they choose not to enforce, such as letting infants in swim diapers in the regular pools or allowing 3 year olds to hang out in the same place as 10 year olds. A 3 year old is at a completely different stage mentally, emotionally and physically than a 10 year old! And the fact that those two groups are somewhat combined is ridiculous to me! Both of those present major safety hazards, and yet DCL chooses not to enforce those policies as well.

Yes, shorts to dinner is a more "benign" breaking of the rules. But what it does is it sets a tone. It sets the tone that DCL does not and will not enforce the policies that they have in place. And I really don't think that tone is a positive or beneficial one. It is MUCH easier to continue to enforce rules and procedures than it is to all of a sudden start enforcing them (as DCL is very certainly going to find out on August 2nd ;)). And that's partially why I think they DON'T enforce the no shorts at dinner policy. They haven't enforced it up to this point, so enforcing it now would have FAR more negative consequences than if they'd simply followed the procedure since the beginning. And they don't want to deal with the consequences of tightening their enforcement of the procedures, so they continue to allow the breaking of said procedures. And one day, they're going to get bit because of it. Most likely, it will NOT be because of allowing people to wear shorts in the dining room, but perhaps it will be that issue (for instance, if something were to happen such as what girl_barrie described and a man's private parts were exposed to numerous children and DCL did nothing to stop it from continuing night after night after night at dinner. :scared1:).

The point is, if DCL enforced ALL of their rules and policies, or worded them better to describe how they actually feel about a specific topic, then they wouldn't have the issues that they do have. And cruising would be more enjoyable for all. :)

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 06:15 PM
I guess not wearing shorts in a restaurant after 6pm is all dependent on your upbringing?!? ;)

I wonder what Walt would say...... popcorn::

Cerberus9
07-15-2011, 06:16 PM
This is a pointless argument. You can't force people to have class and manners if they don't want to. The best you can do is try to instill these character traits in your children.

MisterOJ
07-15-2011, 06:16 PM
DCL has rules for CM's, one of them is:

Safety
Show
Courtesy
Efficiency

But they should read (IMO and experience)

Safety
Profit
Show
Courtesy
Efficiency

But that's and entirely different thread!

DCL have rules and if Guests ignore them, then they chose to ignore the disobedience.
Trip reports and cruise rating's take precedence over their wishes as it reflects in their pocket and cruise ratings.

It's all about the dollar and if people do not complain and not come back then nothing will change.

Ex Techie

And I think that is exactly why they simply request folks not wear shorts instead of banning them outright. It's better for the bottom line if they allow them, so they do. That way, they can cater to both sides of the coin. The people that want a more upscale dinner see the request as meaning "there will be no shorts" and the people that want a more casual dinner see it as meaning, "it's okay to wear shorts."

chaoskids
07-15-2011, 06:19 PM
We've been on two Disney Cruises: in 2008 and 2010 and we will be cruising on the Dream in 2012. I really haven't posted to any of the debates on the shorts or no shorts in the dining room threads. However, when reading about the promotional materials depicting people in shorts in the dining rooms, does anyone think they could be breakfast or lunch pictures??

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 06:22 PM
The only problem I see here is if some Guest's want an upscaled dinning experience, then they have to pay extra to go to Palo or Remy.
And under 18's are not allowed.

The Guests that chose to ignore the request can spoil the whole "fancy" for some or usual experience for those who chose to abide by the request.

Ex Techie

Makayna
07-15-2011, 06:22 PM
This is a pointless argument. You can't force people to have class and manners if they don't want to. The best you can do is try to instill these character traits in your children.

No, but it sure does kill the time to argue pointless debates when both sides believe 100% that they are right! :rotfl:

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 06:26 PM
It's better for the bottom line if they allow them, so they do."

I personally would say "they tolerate them" rather than allow them.

After all, they have requested you do not wear them and you have chosen not to respect they're wishes, but to do what you feel is right for you.

Ex Techie

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 06:29 PM
No, but it sure does kill the time to argue pointless debates when both sides believe 100% that they are right! :rotfl:

I honestly thought I had given up this cause, but yet again I have been susceptible to arguing my case. :confused3 :rotfl2:

2infinityandbeyond
07-15-2011, 06:33 PM
Wearing shorts to dinner is like farting in church.

CAN you do it? Yes.

SHOULD you do it? No.

"However, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts for dinner."

That's good enough for me. They don't want shorts at dinner. So no shorts it is.

lbuher
07-15-2011, 07:14 PM
We've been on two Disney Cruises: in 2008 and 2010 and we will be cruising on the Dream in 2012. I really haven't posted to any of the debates on the shorts or no shorts in the dining room threads. However, when reading about the promotional materials depicting people in shorts in the dining rooms, does anyone think they could be breakfast or lunch pictures??

I honestly can't answer that question. I tried to find the specific pictures I was thinking about it and can't locate them - they were artist's renderings and all I can find now when I google is actual pictures after the Dream started sailing. The pictures had no title or caption that would depict which meal was being portrayed. I just know it showed people in shorts in the dining rooms.

TXDCLfan
07-15-2011, 07:30 PM
This is a pointless argument. You can't force people to have class and manners if they don't want to. The best you can do is try to instill these character traits in your children.

oh so true:thumbsup2:thumbsup2

extechie rbd/wdt
07-15-2011, 07:47 PM
The LAST post to this thread I will add is,

Is it ok to disrespect the wishes of the restaurant owner and disobey their request just to suit your own "requirements", or to avoid your DS's or DD's tantrum's, or your tastes or principles of it "doesn't say NO shorts" on the paperwork?

As I said earlier, wear what you feel comfortable in and you won't be turned away.

But you wont be following what they ask you to do or wear.

Ex Techie

poohs_hunny
07-15-2011, 07:58 PM
If DCL's request for no shorts really means, "Wear whatever you want" then why was it made in the first place? Why not save space in their literature/on their website and leave it out altogether? :confused3

poohs_hunny
07-15-2011, 08:00 PM
Wearing shorts to dinner is like farting in church.

CAN you do it? Yes.

SHOULD you do it? No.

"However, you are requested to not wear tank tops, swim wear or shorts for dinner."

That's good enough for me. They don't want shorts at dinner. So no shorts it is.

Best. Response. Ever. :lmao:

mmouse37
07-15-2011, 08:21 PM
End of the line for this thread....it amazes me how every one of the "dress code" threads end the same way.

The two sides will NEVER agree on this topic.

MJ