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MJ6987
06-28-2011, 11:57 AM
I feel I have to comment about some of Pete's comments on the ABD review on the Podcast. He made several comments that I would consider "typical insular American" views. I have noticed this before, that he travels abroad but expects other cultures to conform to those he finds at home. I remember similar ignorance about the culture in Egypt. If you go abroad you have to accept that they do things differently and respect that.

The two examples that come to mind on this occasion however are:

1. The buffet where he had to eat seafood. In Mediterranean islands most of the food is seafood. That is what they eat. If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot.
2. Having to listen to the guide having to speak for 15 minutes in front of a "fricking poster" of the Sisteen Chapel. The reason is that you are not supposed to talk inside the chapel so they have out posters outside so that the guides can explain the layout and what to look out for. Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel!

Another example was when he was complaining that they were not being given pizza or pasta enough. Like I say, if you like your culture American flavoured and stereotypical stick to Epcot Pete!

jcb
06-28-2011, 12:23 PM
I feel I have to comment about some of Pete's comments on the ABD review on the Podcast. He made several comments that I would consider "typical insular American" views. I have noticed this before, that he travels abroad but expects other cultures to conform to those he finds at home. I remember similar ignorance about the culture in Egypt. If you go abroad you have to accept that they do things differently and respect that.

The two examples that come to mind on this occasion however are:

1. The buffet where he had to eat seafood. In Mediterranean islands most of the food is seafood. That is what they eat. If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot.
2. Having to listen to the guide having to speak for 15 minutes in front of a "fricking poster" of the Sisteen Chapel. The reason is that you are not supposed to talk inside the chapel so they have out posters outside so that the guides can explain the layout and what to look out for. Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel!

Another example was when he was complaining that they were not being given pizza or pasta enough. Like I say, if you like your culture American flavoured and stereotypical stick to Epcot Pete!

I really think you are taking Pete's comments out of context. He needs no defending from me but my perspective on the two issues you cited are that Pete was perturbed by the fact that the guide spent 15 minutes in front of poster and then rushed them through the chapel so that she could get her kickback from the gift shop. If I am remembering them right, I don't see anything "ignorant" about these comments.

As to the food, Pete was not complaining about food in the med in general but the food selection on an expensive ABD tour. The former could be parochial, while the latter is legitimate criticism.

darrengs
06-28-2011, 12:25 PM
I actually had a whole post put together, but I opted to not post it.

Instead I must agree with the title of your thread "ignorant comments on the Podcast", your comments on the Podcast are indeed extremely ignorant.

BriarRosie
06-28-2011, 12:32 PM
Wow, that was harsh. I'm sure you could have found a nicer way to post your views....if you tried.

That being said, I understand the cultural thing about the Mediterranean and seafood. I'd have been perfectly happy with that. I did find it odd that they were forbidden to eat from the hot section of the buffet, as if they were second-class citizens. Pete might have found something he wanted to eat from that side if given a choice. And while for Pete it's a personal food aversion, some people have severe allergies to certain types of seafood. I think those people should have alternatives so they don't go to the hospital!

For the money people are paying Adventures by Disney, they should be given a choice of foods rather than be forced to have one thing. They're paying for the luxury, so it should be provided.

As for the Sistine Chapel...

It wasn't just the poster dialogue that got Pete angry. It was that they were rushed through the chapel in order to spend time in a gift shop. I'm sorry, but I'm with Pete on that one. I would be hauling off and decking the local guide if I were rushed through and forced into a gift shop. That is tacky to the extreme, and I'm sure ABD won't be using that guide's services in the future.

Emiel
06-28-2011, 12:32 PM
I have to agree with both jcb and darrengs. You are taking Pete's remarks out of context and your remarks on the podcast are ignorant.
Enough said.

BriarRosie
06-28-2011, 12:34 PM
I have to agree with both jcb and darrengs. You are taking Pete's remarks out of context and your remarks on the podcast are ignorant.
Enough said.

At least you've had enough dealings with Americans to form an opinion of us that isn't based on a stereotype. ;)

Cap.Steamboat Willie
06-28-2011, 12:34 PM
WOW!

I cannot disagree with you more on your views. But I guess that is what makes America great. We are all entitled to our opinion.

I was amazed that when you compared Pete's views and those of Egypt you found that Pete's views were the ignorant ones on the topic of human rights!

As for the seafood buffet, I agree that the Mediterranean diet has a strong seafood slant (mostly found on coastal cities and towns). Yet again, Pete's ire came when three feet away from the seafood ONLY buffet they had buffet selections that DID offer meat (I guess those Mediterranean chefs did not get the MEMO that they should only be eating and serving seafood) but their group was denied access to that food.

To address your last point about the talk by the guide in front of the poster, again, when I heard the podcast and listened to Pete's opinion, what I came away with was that more time was given by the guide to shop at the store were they would be getting a kick back rather than viewing the Sisteen Chapel. Now I'm curious if they took advantage of the new technology provided by guides that have the tour persons wear headphones which pick up the guide whispering their information as the group enjoy the Sisteen Chapel. But maybe your right and no one is aloud to speak in the Sisteen Chapel.

...just one man's opinion.:hippie:

MJ6987
06-28-2011, 12:41 PM
WOW!

I cannot disagree with you more on your views. But I guess that is what makes America great. We are all entitled to our opinion.

I was amazed that when you compared Pete's views and those of Egypt you found that Pete's views were the ignorant ones on the topic of human rights!

As for the seafood buffet, I agree that the Mediterranean diet has a strong seafood slant (mostly found on coastal cities and towns). Yet again, Pete's ire came when three feet away from the seafood ONLY buffet they had buffet selections that DID offer meat (I guess those Mediterranean chefs did not get the MEMO that they should only be eating and serving seafood) but their group was denied access to that food.

To address your last point about the talk by the guide in front of the poster, again, when I heard the podcast and listened to Pete's opinion, what I came away with was that more time was given by the guide to shop at the store were they would be getting a kick back rather than viewing the Sisteen Chapel. Now I'm curious if they took advantage of the new technology provided by guides that have the tour persons wear headphones which pick up the guide whispering their information as the group enjoy the Sisteen Chapel. But maybe your right and no one is aloud to speak in the Sisteen Chapel.

...just one man's opinion.:hippie:

On Egypt. My point is that they have a very different culture. I am not saying I agree with it but they are entitled to their own views. You would presumably not want a Muslim to come to US and expect you to conform to their Sharia law. Similiarly you should not go there and čxpect them to share Western views and cultures.

SamSam
06-28-2011, 12:41 PM
I agree Pete needs no defending, but I still want to say that I agree with the other posters, not the OP.

Pete's complaint was not that seafood was served, but that there was not another choice.
He was upset at the Chapel because they were rushed through the chapel and into a gift shop.

jcb
06-28-2011, 12:45 PM
On Egypt. My point is that they have a very different culture. I am not saying I agree with it but they are entitled to their own views. You would presumably not want a Muslim to come to US and expect you to conform to their Sharia law. Similiarly you should not go there and čxpect them to share Western views and cultures.

So when did anyone on the podcast say they expect to go to Egypt and have it conform to American law and culture?

I don't remember anything other than a discussion questioning why DCL would go to ports where the country engages in human rights abuses. That was not Egypt, however, but Tunisia (I think, as my memory isn't what it used to be, if I recall correctly).

Cap.Steamboat Willie
06-28-2011, 12:55 PM
On Egypt. My point is that they have a very different culture. I am not saying I agree with it but they are entitled to their own views. You would presumably not want a Muslim to come to US and expect you to conform to their Sharia law. Similiarly you should not go there and čxpect them to share Western views and cultures.

They are entitled to their point of view, but so does Pete, which is what he was expressing on the Podcast. He voiced his opinion and his choice to show his displeasure by not getting off the boat, keeping his money onboard the ship, and voicing his opinion on his forum/podcast. America does allow people to have their own beliefs and the right to voice them openly. This is what is done weekly by all members of the podcast. You do not have to agree with them, but in my opinion your comments were just too harsh, but you are entitled to your opinions. :thumbsup2

Disneybridein2k3
06-28-2011, 12:56 PM
So when did anyone on the podcast say they expect to go to Egypt and have it conform to American law and culture?

I don't remember anything other than a discussion questioning why DCL would go to ports where the country engages in human rights abuses. That was not Egypt, however, but Tunisia (I think, as my memory isn't what it used to be, if I recall correctly).

You are correct, Jack. And as always, your opinion appears to be spot on, my friend.

BriarRosie
06-28-2011, 12:56 PM
So when did anyone on the podcast say they expect to go to Egypt and have it conform to American law and culture?

I don't remember anything other than a discussion questioning why DCL would go to ports where the country engages in human rights abuses. That was not Egypt, however, but Tunisia (I think, as my memory isn't what it used to be, if I recall correctly).

You're right, it was Tunisia in question. DCL had a woman working in clearing customs, and Tunisian port authorities delayed the clearance because they didn't want to deal with a woman. Granted, women in that country wear a hijab and modest clothing, so it doesn't come as a surprise to me. Turkey is pretty progressive in dealings with women by comparison, but they are a highly Muslim-populated country with a secular government.

I don't think it's fair to compare those opinions with the ABD trip, because the Med countries on this cruise were all Western cultures.

Cap.Steamboat Willie
06-28-2011, 12:59 PM
So when did anyone on the podcast say they expect to go to Egypt and have it conform to American law and culture?

I don't remember anything other than a discussion questioning why DCL would go to ports where the country engages in human rights abuses. That was not Egypt, however, but Tunisia (I think, as my memory isn't what it used to be, if I recall correctly).

It was Tunisia, but I didn't want to quibble over that fact.

mikelan6
06-28-2011, 01:10 PM
You also need to keep in mind that Pete went on a DISNEY Cruise and took the Adventures by DISNEY add ons.

Adventures by DISNEY is an American company that caters to American clients with American tastes. ABD should have kept that in mind when arranging for the meals, etc.

GoofyforDisney3
06-28-2011, 01:17 PM
I feel I have to comment about some of Pete's comments on the ABD review on the Podcast. He made several comments that I would consider "typical insular American" views. I have noticed this before, that he travels abroad but expects other cultures to conform to those he finds at home. I remember similar ignorance about the culture in Egypt. If you go abroad you have to accept that they do things differently and respect that.

I don't think Pete ever said that the countries should conforrm to his expectations, but ABD. ABD is a a tour company that caters to the American people. They should be aware of and handle any thing that would cause issue with the (again) American tourest. But, that wasn't even the point of his displeasure.

The two examples that come to mind on this occasion however are:

1. The buffet where he had to eat seafood. In Mediterranean islands most of the food is seafood. That is what they eat. If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot.

Would you have said this if Pete had been allergic to the seafood? I understand that seafood may be a staple of the Mediterranean diet, but so are a lot of other foods. I may be wrong, but don't they also eat a lot of lamb? That may have been an option. I beleive rice and pasta also are staples, are they not? Pete wasn't asking for the food to be dumbed down. In fact, I think he was asking for it to NOT be dumbed down. He wanted to eat what the normal diet of that region would be, he just simply didn't want it to be all seafood and wanted some options. It isn't like there aren't wide varieties of food to offer in that part of the world too.

2. Having to listen to the guide having to speak for 15 minutes in front of a "fricking poster" of the Sisteen Chapel. The reason is that you are not supposed to talk inside the chapel so they have out posters outside so that the guides can explain the layout and what to look out for. Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel!

Again, not what the rant was about. If the tour guide would have spent a few minutes explaining the chapel and what to look for, left them plenty of time to tour the chapel and find those things they pointed out and then spent only a few minutes in the gift shop it would have been a non issue. However, they were rushed through and spent more time looking at a FREAKING POSTER! He could have done that on the boat or even at home for all that is holy. I would have been a little upset too. And no place did he say anything about or complain about not being able to talk while in the chapel.

Another example was when he was complaining that they were not being given pizza or pasta enough. Like I say, if you like your culture American flavoured and stereotypical stick to Epcot Pete!

Again, not what the rant was about. He was saying that he was sure they people of Italy do not eat boiled beef when there are all kinds of pasta, etc. that they eat and could have been part of the menu that day.

Halloweenqueen
06-28-2011, 01:23 PM
I'm with Mike on this one. People have the right to take their type of vacation. This was a Disney trip, so there are expectations associated with that. Of course Pete could have stayed at a hostel and backpacked, but this wasn't his choice.

We all know Pete is a travel snob, by his own admission. More power to him! He earned it!

On the issue of the buffet, I think it was more an issue that they were only allowed to eat from one section. It would seem the seafood options would be the more expensive, so why couldn't he go to the "lesser" food options.

I usually don't jump on questions like these... they do tend to become glorified butt-kissing threads.

I have to admit that one of the things that makes the Podcast one of the best out there is the fearless approach the members take in offering opinions. Agree or disagree...they are always heartfelt and honest. Try to get that on any other Disney podcast.

Keep it real, Pete! :thumbsup2

shellyminnie
06-28-2011, 01:28 PM
I have to agree with both jcb and darrengs. You are taking Pete's remarks out of context and your remarks on the podcast are ignorant.
Enough said.

I love a man of few words! :love: :lmao::lmao:

roomthreeseventeen
06-28-2011, 01:43 PM
I have to admit that one of the things that makes the Podcast one of the best out there is the fearless approach the members take in offering opinions. Agree or disagree...they are always heartfelt and honest. Try to get that on any other Disney podcast.

Keep it real, Pete! :thumbsup2

This is a good point. Even amongst the podcast team, there are sometimes disagreements.

A lot of people (including Teresa, from what she said) would have been thrilled with every aspect of the Med Cruise. Pete wasn't.

*NikkiBell*
06-28-2011, 02:41 PM
I feel I have to comment about some of Pete's comments on the ABD review on the Podcast. He made several comments that I would consider "typical insular American" views. I have noticed this before, that he travels abroad but expects other cultures to conform to those he finds at home. I remember similar ignorance about the culture in Egypt. If you go abroad you have to accept that they do things differently and respect that.

The two examples that come to mind on this occasion however are:

1. The buffet where he had to eat seafood. In Mediterranean islands most of the food is seafood. That is what they eat. If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot.
2. Having to listen to the guide having to speak for 15 minutes in front of a "fricking poster" of the Sisteen Chapel. The reason is that you are not supposed to talk inside the chapel so they have out posters outside so that the guides can explain the layout and what to look out for. Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel!

Another example was when he was complaining that they were not being given pizza or pasta enough. Like I say, if you like your culture American flavoured and stereotypical stick to Epcot Pete!

On Egypt. My point is that they have a very different culture. I am not saying I agree with it but they are entitled to their own views. You would presumably not want a Muslim to come to US and expect you to conform to their Sharia law. Similiarly you should not go there and čxpect them to share Western views and cultures.

Hi There,

As stated on the show countless times, reviews of ABD, DCL, US, WDW, and restaurants are snapshots from the point of view of one individual. Pete expressed his person opinions regarding this cruise and its ABD add-on on the show. However, you or anyone else does not have to agree with them. Again, they are his opinions regarding this single experience. Another person could take the same trip and have a much different opinion, or one that meshes with his.

Pete explained that he was upset with the guide for spending more time outside of a Sistine Chapel poster rather than in it. He felt as if he were rushed and did not gain as much from the experience inside as he expected. He also said that if less time was given to discussing it outside, more enjoyment could be experienced on the inside. To the best of my knowledge, nothing was mentioned about the fact that you should remain quiet inside the Chapel. This was not the issue being discussed on the show. Instead, it was why the tour included more time in front of a poster than inside the structure itself. I feel that this is a valid point.

The discussion of Egypt on a previous show referred to the difficulties female guests and employees had as a result of customs. I also believe it was mentioned that a female had to go back and change as her outfit was considered "too revealing." I found this offensive for many reasons including the fact that the country I live in does not require someone to change her clothes before setting foot on the soil.

With this being said, I think it is great that you have come here to express your opinions. However, you might find that people are more receptive to discussing a topic with you if you approach it in a less abrasive way. Please remember that it is okay for people to disagree with you just as it is okay for them to disagree with Pete. Everyone, please keep in mind that we maintain a family-friendly board here in which everyone's opinions need to be treated respectfully. If an individual agrees with something a podcaster says, that is fine. If someone does not, that is okay as well. However, we must be respectful of each other in the words we choose when posting. Feel free to continue this discussion, but please do so kindly.

DaParkers
06-28-2011, 03:03 PM
I have called Pete out a few times, but this is ridiculous. You not only insulted him with your "typical European attitude", you insulted me as an American. My post would be deleted and I would be banned if I typed what I want to. I sure hope Pete reads this and comments since they are taping now.

DisneyKevin
06-28-2011, 03:28 PM
My post would be deleted and I would be banned if I typed what I want to. .

As long as you stay within the guidelines set forth by The Dis, you are welcome to post your opinion.

If your posts have been deleted or you have been banned, then your posts disregarded the Dis posting guidelines

*NikkiBell*
06-28-2011, 03:30 PM
I have called Pete out a few times, but this is ridiculous. You not only insulted him with your "typical European attitude", you insulted me as an American. My post would be deleted and I would be banned if I typed what I want to. I sure hope Pete reads this and comments since they are taping now.

I can understand that you are upset. You are more than welcome to share your ideas here as long as you remain respectful and following the DIS Posting Guidelines (http://www.wdwinfo.com/guidelines.htm).

Danibelle
06-28-2011, 03:35 PM
I am just now listening to the above mentioned comments. I lived in Italy for 3 years (lived in Europe for 9 years) and sort of consider myself well traveled when it comes to Europe. To keep it short, I actually find myself agreeing with Pete. To only spend a few minutes in the Vatican Museum and St. Peter's is terrible. There is much to see there and it's unbelievable that the guide just rushed through.

As to the food, while there is boiled beef (bollito misto) in Italy, it seems odd that this was the entree. Yes, pasta is served everywhere (and is mostly good). I would have been very disappointed if I had those experiences with ABD (and paid dearly for the experience).

Pete, thank you for being honest about you ABD add-on and your Disney Mediterranean cruise. :thumbsup2

WebmasterPete
06-28-2011, 03:53 PM
I feel I have to comment about some of Pete's comments on the ABD review on the Podcast. He made several comments that I would consider "typical insular American" views. I have noticed this before, that he travels abroad but expects other cultures to conform to those he finds at home. I remember similar ignorance about the culture in Egypt. If you go abroad you have to accept that they do things differently and respect that.

The two examples that come to mind on this occasion however are:

1. The buffet where he had to eat seafood. In Mediterranean islands most of the food is seafood. That is what they eat. If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot.
2. Having to listen to the guide having to speak for 15 minutes in front of a "fricking poster" of the Sisteen Chapel. The reason is that you are not supposed to talk inside the chapel so they have out posters outside so that the guides can explain the layout and what to look out for. Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel!

Another example was when he was complaining that they were not being given pizza or pasta enough. Like I say, if you like your culture American flavoured and stereotypical stick to Epcot Pete!

As others have pointed out, you apparently didn't really listen to the show. You'll note that my main complaint with the food was that much of what we were served I could have had at Denny's. The food being served was dumbed down american food - I wanted a more authentic experience.

Also, as has been pointed out, my issue with Tunisia (not Egypt) was their treatment of women. They have every right to do what they want, my point was that if Tunisia was to be a port of call, I would not be getting off the ship. Not sure what issue you have with that, but clearly you hear only what you want without really listening.

Also, if you're going to call my comments ignorant, you may want to use spell check when doing it. It's Sistine chapel, not Sisteen. Just sayin'

Pete

Emiel
06-28-2011, 04:02 PM
The discussion of Egypt on a previous show referred to the difficulties female guests and employees had as a result of customs. I also believe it was mentioned that a female had to go back and change as her outfit was considered "too revealing." I found this offensive for many reasons including the fact that the country I live in does not require someone to change her clothes before setting foot on the soil.


As mentioned in other posts the discussion was about Tunisia (not Egypt). Since I was there I know that more than one female had to go back to their stateroom and change clothes.

In my opinion however, part of the Tunisian culture is that women (and men too by the way) can't wear outfits that are too revealing (at least shoulders and knees have to be covered).

The point made on that particular podcast was about the fact that DCL had not announced this in advance: they even came over the intercom into all staterooms to announce that if you were going ashore you had to make sure you were wearing clothes in which your shoulders and knees were covered.

Even though I'm glad that my country doesn't requires this either, I think you can hardly call this offensive..... it's their culture.

roomthreeseventeen
06-28-2011, 04:05 PM
As mentioned in other posts the discussion was about Tunisia (not Egypt). Since I was there I know that more than one female had to go back to their stateroom and change clothes.

In my opinion however, part of the Tunisian culture is that women (and men too by the way) can't wear outfits that are too revealing (at least shoulders and knees have to be covered).

The point made on that particular podcast was about the fact that DCL had not announced this in advance: they even came over the intercom into all staterooms to announce that if you were going ashore you had to make sure you were wearing clothes in which your shoulders and knees were covered.

Even though I'm glad that my country doesn't requires this either, I think you can hardly call this offensive..... it's their culture.

That's Disney's fault, though, not Tunisia's.

Emiel
06-28-2011, 04:08 PM
That's Disney's fault, though, not Tunisia's.

My point exactly

*NikkiBell*
06-28-2011, 04:09 PM
The OP said it was Egypt, but you are correct, it was Tunisia. I agree that DCL should have alerted guests ahead of time if this was to be expected. I'm confused by what you wrote though. Did they come over the intercom to do this or not?

I can understand and respect that this is a part of the Tunisian culture. However, I think I would definitely blink some eyebrows if I was one of the women in this situation. I can imagine they felt extremely uncomfortable which is a sad thing to experience on a vacation.

DaParkers
06-28-2011, 04:14 PM
As long as you stay within the guidelines set forth by The Dis, you are welcome to post your opinion.

If your posts have been deleted or you have been banned, then your posts disregarded the Dis posting guidelines

I've never had posts deleted or been banned that I'm aware of, but at that time, my post would not have fallen within the guidelines.

MJ6987
06-28-2011, 04:25 PM
As others have pointed out, you apparently didn't really listen to the show. You'll note that my main complaint with the food was that much of what we were served I could have had at Denny's. The food being served was dumbed down american food - I wanted a more authentic experience.

Also, as has been pointed out, my issue with Tunisia (not Egypt) was their treatment of women. They have every right to do what they want, my point was that if Tunisia was to be a port of call, I would not be getting off the ship. Not sure what issue you have with that, but clearly you hear only what you want without really listening.

Also, if you're going to call my comments ignorant, you may want to use spell check when doing it. It's Sistine chapel, not Sisteen. Just sayin'

Pete

Thanks for the response. Apologies that I forgot it was Tunisia not Egypt (close!) and yes, I thought "Sisteen" didn't look right! :confused:

I do listen, honest, and I enjoy the show and especially your honesty. I just sometimes find your views a bit insular (not sure if that's the exact right word but best I can come up with)

That said - keep up the good work! :)

Apologies to all if I came across a bit anti-American (I'm really not - got family who are American). I can see that it comes across that way now re-reading it though. :flower3:

*NikkiBell*
06-28-2011, 04:34 PM
Thank you for apologizing! Now, let's move on to more fun topics, shall we? ;) :grouphug:

SamSam
06-28-2011, 05:52 PM
:goodvibesThank you for apologizing! Now, let's move on to more fun topics, shall we? ;) :grouphug:

:goodvibes

TheWho
06-28-2011, 08:06 PM
Agree or not, that was one entertaining episode. The attention to detail and frank discussion by Pete and his team might ocassionally send them "over the line", but that's what makes it "unplugged" and entertaining. A little edgy is good (especially when every other Disney podcast sounds like a WDW infomercial). Just my 2 cents.................

MJ6987
06-29-2011, 05:41 AM
Agree or not, that was one entertaining episode. The attention to detail and frank discussion by Pete and his team might ocassionally send them "over the line", but that's what makes it "unplugged" and entertaining. A little edgy is good (especially when every other Disney podcast sounds like a WDW infomercial). Just my 2 cents.................

Totally agree!!

Other podcasts sound like a WDW infomercial? Never!! *cough*Mongello*cough* lol;)

Cherinva
06-29-2011, 07:19 AM
Agree or not, that was one entertaining episode. The attention to detail and frank discussion by Pete and his team might ocassionally send them "over the line", but that's what makes it "unplugged" and entertaining. A little edgy is good (especially when every other Disney podcast sounds like a WDW infomercial). Just my 2 cents.................

I couldn't agree more....it's the honesty of this podcast that keeps me here....if I wanted to hear nothing but Disney Fluff, I'd be somewhere else.

schoen
06-29-2011, 09:47 AM
I think this is interesting. Quite Frankly, I don't know if there is anyway that everyone can be happy in a situation like this. I totally understand Pete's complaints about a lack of choices in many of the ports. That does seem silly. I ABSOLUTELY agree that for the prices ABD charges there should be NO issues.

Food is tough though. It is especially tough for a large group, and then when you compound that with the reality that you have different cultures intermingling, I feel like ADB is probably always going to be fighting an uphill battle.

Pete wanted an "authentic" dining experience. I think that is a common desire of international travelers. However, often when American's are presented with actually authentic options they are often disappointed, because it is not only not what they are used to, but also not what they are necessarily expecting.

I lived in Russia for awhile. I was expecting a lot of beef stroganoff, cavier, and borscht, based on my American cultural perceptions of what Russian food is supposed to be. This is what we see at Russian restaurants in the states. What I found when I got there was a lot of potatoes, A LOT of pickled fish, and more beef tongue than I ever dreamed possible.

My expectation of what was authentic and what was actually authentic did not match up. It turns out that while I respect the Russian food culture, my American pallet was just not on board. I found myself struggling to find food I liked in the country, and rejoicing when i took trips to Moscow and St. Petersberg because they had familliar food for me.

ABD is never going to be able to please everyone. They should focus on quality and experience though, so I certainly agree with Pete on that one. Choices are important for diners.

I am also not sure about the demography of a typical ABD add-on. I would imagine that there are often several non-americans? There is another set of tastes and sensibilities to cater to.

I guess I just think that food will always be a tough subject for ABD given the size of their groups (banquet food is rarely particularly great) and the various cultural expectations and sensibilities they have to deal with.

jcb
06-29-2011, 09:55 AM
Food can be a challenge anywhere you travel. I consider California Pizza Kitchen an abomination . . . :rolleyes:

Ok, seriously, on one of my trips to the World, I asked a CM from Norway what he found most challenging about being in the US. He said it was the food. Our food is so "heavy."

mainegal
06-29-2011, 11:04 AM
Last weekend we wandered around the streets of Vieux-Port (Old Port) Montreal trying to find a good restaurant. I know we are in a touristy place because everywhere I turned there was another tacky souvenir shop, should I also expect to find good food? I stopped at the Tourist Information place and asked for advice on local specialties and was told poutine and smoked meat. I should have asked where they would eat, but I have a feeling it would have been the McDonald’s up the block.

We ended up having crepes, quiche lorraine, salmon and yes, I had poutine topped with smoked meat. (YUM!) Truly not sure if it was authentic, but I enjoyed the food and Stephen enjoyed some good local beer.

darrengs
06-29-2011, 11:19 AM
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Apologies to all if I came across a bit anti-American (I'm really not - got family who are American). I can see that it comes across that way now re-reading it though. :flower3:

Honestly, it came across as Anti-American, because that is the only way it could be read. We are ignorant, "typical insular American"(s), our food needs to be dumbed down so we should stick to Epcot, and we are disrespectful of the Sisteen (sic) chapel.

When you put the word "typical" in front of a nationality, race, etc., it definitely becomes pejorative.

"If you want international food that is dumbed down for American tastes then stick to Epcot."

"Not that you'd know given the amount of largely American voices talking in the chapel"

*NikkiBell*
06-29-2011, 11:45 AM
This thread has run its course. The OP has apologized for any hard feelings and therefore I am going to close it.