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MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 03:36 PM
Will update first post with important links as we go along.

Thread #1
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2726136

Thread #3
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2741677

Jury Selection thread:
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2715616

Charges against Casey Anthony:

* First Degree Murder
* Aggravated Child Abuse
* Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child
* Four Counts of Providing False Information to a Law Enforcement Officer

Opening Statements:
http://www.wftv.com/video/28004785/index.html

LINKS REGARDING THE TRIAL, TIMELINES, PEOPLE, ETC.

Live trial coverage ONLINE:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html (NO COMMERCIALS)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory (NO COMMERCIALS)
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html (COMMERCIALS)

As posted on this page, WFTV.com will be providing comprehensive live online coverage of the trial. Here is what you can expect each day court is in session:

Trial cam #1 follows the action (9am start)
Trial cam #2 shows Casey in court (9am start)
Daily audio live from inside court (9am start)
Join live-blog every day of trial (8:45am start)

OTHER LIVE COVERAGE OPTIONS:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/news/anthony_case
CNN: http://live.cnn.com/

Trial coverage on TV:
InSession on TruTV from 9 AM - 3 PM
Try HLN after 3 PM

Directions on how to watch on smartphones:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=41229072&postcount=363

Twitter suggestions:
Here are a few, per joviroxx:

@bobkealing (WESH reporter)
@stevehelling (People Magazine)
@JimLichtenstein (Today Show Producer)
@DiDimond (syndicated writer/journalist)
@Maggiefromhinky (member of hinkymeter.com)
@anthonycase (WOFL)
@KBelichWFTV (WFTV)
@CFNews13Casey (News13)
@CaseyAnthonyCh9 (WFTV)
@RichardHornsby (Orlando Criminal Lawyer)
@VinniePolitan (insession)

LisaR’s Theory on Kronk Involvement:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=41491960&postcount=3100

Trial Archives, from Day 1
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28083402/detail.html

Casey's jailhouse letters (only sections 1 and 2; sections 3, 4 and 5 repeat 1 and 2):
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20001908-504083.html

Insights into sidebars:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-13-sidebar20110608,0,5818530.story
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-sidebar-transc20110615,0,7660569.story

The Jurors:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=41223445&postcount=29

Prosecution Witness List:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=41353657&postcount=54

Defense Witness List 8/29/10:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/28232634/detail.html

Courtroom Layout:
http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-seating-chart-sm-0505.jpg

Sign up for daily newsletters and breaking news updates:
http://www.wftv.com/emailnewsletters/index.html

The ultimate link...deposition transcripts, pictures, video and audio interviews, etc:
http://www.wftv.com/news/23080678/detail.html

The autopsy report:
http://www.wesh.com/r/19801945/detail.html

ASK THE JUDGE:
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27996399/detail.html?utm_source=manual&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=casey+updates

Great article about Judge Perry:
http://www.orlandomagazine.com/Orlando-Magazine/April-2011/Order-in-His-Court/

Interesting (very) articles about Jose Baez:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-jose-baez-050309,0,6708904.story
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-defense-attorney-jose-baez/story?id=13784113
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/lawyer-of-the-day-jose-baez/

YOUTUBE videos, including interviews and depositions:
http://www.youtube.com/user/caseyanthonytrial

Interesting/important links:
Websleuths: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=166
Hinkymeter Blog and boards: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/
Timeline: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1
Timeline, photos, transcripts, etc: http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm
Narrative timeline: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/27804797/detail.html
AMAZING timeline, beginning with George's BIRTH: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2011/0224/26984466.pdf

Kurby
06-03-2011, 03:58 PM
marking it for when we move over

ohiomom28
06-03-2011, 04:12 PM
marking it for when we move over

Me too! I'm out of the loop today..we had a garage sale and couldn't watch it much :(

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 04:41 PM
Remembering the OJ Simpson trial. He was on trial for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Was he also tried for the murder of Ron, her friend?

There were numbers of people who were 100% certain that he was not guilty. And in fact, a jury of peers returned a verdict of the same.

Does anyone hold the opinion that Casey is fully without any fault whatsoever in the death of Caylee, whether it be accidental or premeditated? Either here or what you've read on another board, a friend, neighbor, co-worker, etc.

I won't criticize anybody for their opinion. Opinions aren't wrong. You can maybe not have all the facts, or see them differently or even a life experience may lead one to feel another way.

I'm really just curious what other people think. :flower3:

Kurby
06-03-2011, 04:47 PM
i think the difference with Casey and OJ is that OJ was a celeb.

it's really hard to confict a celeb. look at Lindsay, Paris, Robert Downey Jr. how many chances do they get. how many slaps on teh wrist do they get?

you and I would NEVER get that many chances - and that's with a judge. put a jury in the mix and the odds go down that a conviction will happen.

too many people think - ohhhhh he couldn't do that he doesn't have to - he could have any women he wanted - what does he care about her when he's got another gf and another one and another one.

screw ups on the prosecution side didn't help either. they never EVER should have let him put that glove on - he deserved an oscar for that performance.

Buckalew11
06-03-2011, 05:24 PM
Here you are!!! I knew I'd find you somewhere!

JerseyJanice
06-03-2011, 05:29 PM
I wish I didn't have such a demanding job so I could join you guys. :(

One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I wonder if Casey herself even knows.

Kurby
06-03-2011, 05:40 PM
from maryann = He's probably going to want me to go to his high school graduation too.



is there no end to the madness LOL

crz4mm2
06-03-2011, 05:48 PM
joining.

momrek06
06-03-2011, 06:07 PM
Our new home!!! :surfweb:

sorcerormickey
06-03-2011, 06:10 PM
Hi y'all! :goodvibes

escape
06-03-2011, 06:23 PM
Remembering the OJ Simpson trial. He was on trial for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Was he also tried for the murder of Ron, her friend?

There were numbers of people who were 100% certain that he was not guilty. And in fact, a jury of peers returned a verdict of the same.



My bolding. I'm not sure the jury thought he was not guilty; I think it was more on the lines that they didn't think the prosecutor's proved their case.

That's the tricky part of all of this. Casey's trial is based mostly on circumstantial evidence. The prosecutor's have to convince the jury that Casey is guilty beyond a resonable doubt. That's not easy to do. The defense does not have to prove she's innocent.

Nancy
06-03-2011, 06:33 PM
Remembering the OJ Simpson trial. He was on trial for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Was he also tried for the murder of Ron, her friend?

There were numbers of people who were 100% certain that he was not guilty. And in fact, a jury of peers returned a verdict of the same.

Does anyone hold the opinion that Casey is fully without any fault whatsoever in the death of Caylee, whether it be accidental or premeditated? Either here or what you've read on another board, a friend, neighbor, co-worker, etc.

I won't criticize anybody for their opinion. Opinions aren't wrong. You can maybe not have all the facts, or see them differently or even a life experience may lead one to feel another way.

I'm really just curious what other people think. :flower3:

It's funny because during his trial I went back and forth thinking guilty/innocent. By the end I was pretty sure guilty BUT there was a small doubt. I do think prosecution blew it. Now of course I think he is 100 % guilty.

He was actually at a Bills game and was going down the stairs that DH and I were going up. He gave us a smile and I just turned my head. My DH who is totally oblivious to anything didn't even look at him so had no idea who I was muttering comments about after he was past us.


With Casey, most that I talk to think she knew exactly where Caylee was and that she was dead from day 1..but they are mixed with whether she killed her or was it an accident.

I wish I didn't have such a demanding job so I could join you guys. :(

One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I wonder if Casey herself even knows.

I think they said he was killed in a car accident, but I don't remember hearing a name and how could they prove anything if he is dead. I think she has no clue who the dad really is.

HonnyDipp
06-03-2011, 07:42 PM
watching Nancy Grace. I see Baez was full of himself today. Taking pictures with young woman? Posing at the cameras going off? Hard to believe that he's involved in a murder case of a 2 year old child. That man irks the hell out of me!

ugadog99
06-03-2011, 07:45 PM
That man irks the hell out of me!

Yes, me too! :sick:

happygirl
06-03-2011, 07:46 PM
hi guys :)

ilovepete
06-03-2011, 07:46 PM
Posting on the new thread. :) Now we have 250 more pages to fill up!

horseshowmom
06-03-2011, 08:04 PM
watching Nancy Grace. I see Baez was full of himself today. Taking pictures with young woman? Posing at the cameras going off? Hard to believe that he's involved in a murder case of a 2 year old child. That man irks the hell out of me!

If I understood correctly, it was TWO women - one on each arm. I thought the same thing about little Caylee. How sad that he has used her murder to become a celebrity. :sad2:

JerseyJanice
06-03-2011, 08:04 PM
I don't buy the defense story about Casey being abused. I think her lawyers came up with this defense from watching the first Menendez brothers murder trial. Maybe they think they can make her look sympathetic enough to create doubt in the minds of the jurors?

Samba
06-03-2011, 08:09 PM
Okay, what death penalty cases has HoseA tried?

He is taking a beating on the TV shows though he may enjoy some strange celebrity on the street.

happygirl
06-03-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm really shocked they are having court on Sat

Mlissa88
06-03-2011, 08:24 PM
What? LOL...people wanted their picture taken with Baez? :happytv:

Are we sure this isn't another one of Casey's lies? ;)

Mlissa88
06-03-2011, 08:27 PM
I'm really shocked they are having court on Sat

I know my husband will be disappointed...lol...I'm spending way too much time watching court tv. He objects to me watching it....I respond with "overruled". :rotfl:

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 08:30 PM
Remembering the OJ Simpson trial. He was on trial for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Was he also tried for the murder of Ron, her friend?

There were numbers of people who were 100% certain that he was not guilty. And in fact, a jury of peers returned a verdict of the same.

Does anyone hold the opinion that Casey is fully without any fault whatsoever in the death of Caylee, whether it be accidental or premeditated? Either here or what you've read on another board, a friend, neighbor, co-worker, etc.

I won't criticize anybody for their opinion. Opinions aren't wrong. You can maybe not have all the facts, or see them differently or even a life experience may lead one to feel another way.

I'm really just curious what other people think. :flower3:

I don't think she is innocent. I also don't think they will be able to find her guilty of the first degree murder charge. There are just two many holes in the case that leave a reasonable doubt. No matter how much we want to hate her, the jury may not want to take the leap to first degree murder when they don't know for certain what happened.

Interestingly, Amanda Brumfield, daughter of Billy Bob Thornton, has been on trial in the same building as Casey Anthony. She was being tried on the same charges as Casey...first degree murder with aggrevated child abuse. The verdict came in today. The found her guilty of manslaughter with aggrevated child abuse.

It is very difficult to find someone guilty of first degree murder unless you have witnesses and/or an airtight motive.

"Daughter Found Guilty of Manslaughter : Billy Bob Thornton's - Billy Bob Thornton's estranged daughter has been found guilty of aggravated manslaughter of a child, the Associated Press reports.The 32-year-old Brumfield was acquitted of first-degree murder and aggravated child-abuse charges. The estranged daughter of actor Billy Bob Thornton has been found guilty of aggravated manslaughter for the October 2008 death of a friend's 1-year-old child."

Uncle Remus
06-03-2011, 08:35 PM
I'm really shocked they are having court on Sat


This judge wants this case tried in a timely fashion, I'm sure the jurors do too. I still think the guy with the 4 Jul cruise oughta cancel.

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 08:44 PM
I don't think she is innocent. I also don't think they will be able to find her guilty of the first degree murder charge. There are just two many holes in the case that leave a reasonable doubt. No matter how much we want to hate her, the jury may not want to take the leap to first degree murder when they don't know for certain what happened.

Interestingly, Amanda Brumfield, daughter of Billy Bob Thornton, has been on trial in the same building as Casey Anthony. She was being tried on the same charges as Casey...first degree murder with aggrevated child abuse. The verdict came in today. The found her guilty of manslaughter with aggrevated child abuse.

It is very difficult to find someone guilty of first degree murder unless you have witnesses and/or an airtight motive.

"Daughter Found Guilty of Manslaughter : Billy Bob Thornton's - Billy Bob Thornton's estranged daughter has been found guilty of aggravated manslaughter of a child, the Associated Press reports.The 32-year-old Brumfield was acquitted of first-degree murder and aggravated child-abuse charges. The estranged daughter of actor Billy Bob Thornton has been found guilty of aggravated manslaughter for the October 2008 death of a friend's 1-year-old child."

I saw that headline yesterday but I didn't read the article. I should have. Why do you suppose the Anthony case garnered more publicity?

If I had to guess, and I could be wrong, it would have some to do with the 31 days that Caylee was missing and Casey was out partying, in part. Maybe also because of Casey's bizarre stories?

Mlissa88
06-03-2011, 08:54 PM
I saw that headline yesterday but I didn't read the article. I should have. Why do you suppose the Anthony case garnered more publicity?

Sadly, I think it often has to do with looks and behavior. To many, Casey is an attractive, young female so it drew attention right away. Her lies drew attention and her antics like hot body contests, toga parties, crazy wild pictures with friends, drinking, many boyfriends... it's a lifetime movie basically.


And sadly...a little, sweet innocent child lost her life...my heart breaks for Caylee and occasionally for the Grandparents and their loss.

joviroxx
06-03-2011, 08:57 PM
Ah, a new home. We've moved. MaryAnn does such a nice job making it all homey.

Got an appt at 9:45 to get my eyebrows done. You think she'd mind if I had my earphones in my ear streaming on my Iphone?

Had a busy afternoon so missed a lot of Mr Bloise so I am catching up now. I did see the State said they expect to be done around the 17th. I leave on the 20th ugh. Wonder how long the defense will take. Hopefully more than a week or I will miss the verdict!

joviroxx
06-03-2011, 09:02 PM
Sadly, I think it often has to do with looks and behavior. To many, Casey is an attractive, young female so it drew attention right away. Her lies drew attention and her antics like hot body contests, toga parties, crazy wild pictures with friends, drinking, many boyfriends... it's a lifetime movie basically.

.

There is something else. This is a normal, middle class family. This isn't white trash, they aren't an outward mess of a family with deadbeat parents. They aren't uneducated. They aren't felons, drug addicts or troublemakers. This is what seemed like a typical family is your normal neighborhood. Dad a security guard, mom a nurse, and what appeared to me 2 regular kids.

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 09:06 PM
I saw that headline yesterday but I didn't read the article. I should have. Why do you suppose the Anthony case garnered more publicity?

If I had to guess, and I could be wrong, it would have some to do with the 31 days that Caylee was missing and Casey was out partying, in part. Maybe also because of Casey's bizarre stories?

I've been trying to figure this out for some time. My guess is that it was picked up by a couple of network programs who played the films of Caylee over and over. Watching that adorable child has made this personal to many. I could not tell you what the child looked like in the Brumfield case and it happened here.

I just have to wonder, had the media not latched onto this case and played the videos non-stop, would the case be anything like it is today. After all, Nancy Grace made this case her top news story for months. This brought it to many people's attention that might, otherwise, have never been aware. As I pointed out in a post a few days ago. The Anthony case is just one of many horrendous child murder cases that have occurred in the Central Florida area in the past couple of years, yet no one knows anything about the other cases, nor seems to care. Those little lives were just as precious and the way in which they died was, in some cases, extreme abuse.

I'd really like to do some kind of study into this case to discover why this case has taken a larger than life focus and why Casey Anthony is considered the modern day equivalent of Charles Manson. I'm sure Casey is not the first self-absorbed woman to kill her child and try to hide it. I'm not judging any one's perceptions. I just find it very interesting.

beaucoup
06-03-2011, 09:15 PM
Several of the links in the OP here on new thread #2 are not working for me. Any link that has ..... in it. It seems it didn't copy / paste over correctly from other thread.

OK, well for that matter, the ones with ... in it aren't working in thread #1 for me either.

Anyone?????

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 09:18 PM
In my opinion, the initial draw to the case was a young, 22 yr old woman waited 31 days to report her 2 yr old missing. Casey's lies and actions after she reported her missing is what kept people hanging on.

A mother killing her child is sadly, nothing new but this is the most bizarre case to come around in years.

- 31 days before Caylee's GRANDMOTHER, not her mother, reported her missing.
- The fake nanny
- The partying while "looking" for her missing child
- The parents and brother sticking behind the obvious lies of their daughter/sister
- The stench of decomposition in the car
- The grandparents inability to stay away from the cameras
- The media eating up everything the grandparents had to say and the protesters outside the house
- Caylee being found only 15 houses away from her home
- The Sunshine law in Florida which makes it possible for the general public to see every bit of discovery

These are just a few out of the many reasons why this case has taken on such strength.

MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 09:30 PM
Here you are!!! I knew I'd find you somewhere!Bren! :wave: I'm not hiding out...it just looks that way. :blush: I wish I didn't have such a demanding job so I could join you guys. :(

One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I wonder if Casey herself even knows.JJ! :wave: I wouldn't be at all surprised if Casey doesn't know. I've read about all sorts of potential fathers, including THREE that died (2 car accidents, 1 suicide) before all this happened. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few men out there thinking :eek: .Our new home!!! :surfweb::yay: For a while anyway! :laughing:He (OJ) was actually at a Bills game and was going down the stairs that DH and I were going up. He gave us a smile and I just turned my head. My DH who is totally oblivious to anything didn't even look at him so had no idea who I was muttering comments about after he was past us. What a missed opportunity! You should've stuck your foot out. :upsidedowwatching Nancy Grace. I see Baez was full of himself today. Taking pictures with young woman? Posing at the cameras going off? Hard to believe that he's involved in a murder case of a 2 year old child. That man irks the hell out of me!Gggrrrr...watching NG now. That man has no sense of decency. Nada. Posting on the new thread. :) Now we have 250 more pages to fill up!Maybe that should be our poll...how many 250 page threads will this trial take. I bet we end up with NUMEROUS threads! :teeth:I don't buy the defense story about Casey being abused. I think her lawyers came up with this defense from watching the first Menendez brothers murder trial. Maybe they think they can make her look sympathetic enough to create doubt in the minds of the jurors?I don't know if I believe he abused her or not. The thing is...the story is coming from HER...someone who lies like nothing I've ever seen before (and I've got a major liar in the family). So where can anyone go with this? What I do believe is that it doesn't excuse or explain any of this...Caylee's death, covering it up, her behavior afterwards...nothing.I saw that headline yesterday but I didn't read the article. I should have. Why do you suppose the Anthony case garnered more publicity?

If I had to guess, and I could be wrong, it would have some to do with the 31 days that Caylee was missing and Casey was out partying, in part. Maybe also because of Casey's bizarre stories?This case started, for the public, with that phone call from a grandmother hysterical about a car smelling like a dead body and just finding out, from her daughter, that her granddaughter had been missing for 31 days. Right then and there, it captured the attention of the country. And, on that call, Casey sounds detached. Add in all the other bizarre aspects of this case...unknown father (and her BROTHER tested for paternity), her lawyer being told to stop being so touchy feely with her, the whole fake nanny story, the jailhouse videos, the protesters outside their house, George's suicide attempt...and on and on. And just when you think it can't get freakier...it does!

muffyn
06-03-2011, 09:31 PM
ok I Am trying to go back & try to get info on what the timelines were on all of this. I think I got overloaded by nancy grace playing those tapes over & over & OVER a few years ago & put all this out of mind till now.

now can someone fill me in to what exactly happened with casey & her parents & when they got fed up with her?

after cindy told police she thought there was a dead body in the car, she changed her story to thinking it was spoiled pizza or something. why did she start backing casey & when did they realize casey was guilty of something.

wouldn't there have been some kind of questioning as to what the heck casey was doing when the cops outed her about her universal employment & the invisible nanny? why were they still so supportive of her?

they show old clips of george outside the house with the protestors. what is the back story on that...were they against george & cindy? casey?

oh yea,, what about the suicide attempt? what was the backstory on that?

& question on the trunk evidence..
ok , well yea there would be hairs after all those years.
but the impression of caylee// she was triple bagged.. was she supposed to be just set IN the trunk without being wrapped for some time without the bagging? because there is mention of a stain, which would not be there if she was bagged, right? ok no blood. rigt if she was bagged. so where did the stain come from. if she wasn;t bagged , certainly should have been more evidence, yes?
like, uh, fly stuff. even with NO live flies there should have been pupae casings, right? heck flys & yucky maggots sure show up in my garbage cans after a few days, & that is even without any discernable smell. her trunk should have been full of them... or has someone explained this.
also. If she was in the trunk not in a bag enough to leak a stain to show her body, & then bagged, wouldn't you think she would have fallen apart & left more evidence? is there some explaination for this?

I certainly know she is quilty. I just hate that there are way too many people out there who are going to forgive her for the LIE that she was molested*( yes I know people out there have been & suffer from same life symptoms of being a lier_) but I feel this is just a FAKE excuse, & a slap in the face for all the real victims of real abuse.
I hope people who are saying that they feel for her, because she is acting exactly like a molested kid would act,, would see it is a 'freakin' act :mad: they are picking apart everything! like why casey would be so loving to George,, 'cause she was molested & the victims always do that :sick:

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 09:47 PM
In my opinion, the initial draw to the case was a young, 22 yr old woman waited 31 days to report her 2 yr old missing. Casey's lies and actions after she reported her missing is what kept people hanging on.

A mother killing her child is sadly, nothing new but this is the most bizarre case to come around in years.

- 31 days before Caylee's GRANDMOTHER, not her mother, reported her missing.
- The fake nanny
- The partying while "looking" for her missing child
- The parents and brother sticking behind the obvious lies of their daughter/sister
- The stench of decomposition in the car
- The grandparents inability to stay away from the cameras
- The media eating up everything the grandparents had to say and the protesters outside the house
- Caylee being found only 15 houses away from her home
- The Sunshine law in Florida which makes it possible for the general public to see every bit of discovery

These are just a few out of the many reasons why this case has taken on such strength.

But, you wouldn't know any of this if certain shows hadn't taken this case on as something to push. I don't know any, but the slightest details, of other cases happening in this area. For all I know, they could have someone just as bizarre involved. Yet, I know every detail of the Anthony case. For me, and this is just my opinion, the media has the power to sensationalize a case to the point that it jeopardizes the ability of our legal system to do its job the way it should. I give great kudos to the judge in the Anthony case. The man has had to deal with issues way beyond the normal scope.

MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 09:47 PM
Ah, a new home. We've moved. MaryAnn does such a nice job making it all homey.Aw, thanks. :flower3: There is something else. This is a normal, middle class family. This isn't white trash, they aren't an outward mess of a family with deadbeat parents. They aren't uneducated. They aren't felons, drug addicts or troublemakers. This is what seemed like a typical family is your normal neighborhood. Dad a security guard, mom a nurse, and what appeared to me 2 regular kids.::yes:: The "popularity" (for lack of a better word) of this case isn't about one child being more precious than another...it's about all the facts surrounding it, as you and others have pointed out.Several of the links in the OP here on new thread #2 are not working for me. Any link that has ..... in it. It seems it didn't copy / paste over correctly from other thread.

OK, well for that matter, the ones with ... in it aren't working in thread #1 for me either.

Anyone?????It's on my To Do List to check the links. I'll start checking them now!

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 09:51 PM
I've been trying to figure this out for some time. My guess is that it was picked up by a couple of network programs who played the films of Caylee over and over. Watching that adorable child has made this personal to many. I could not tell you what the child looked like in the Brumfield case and it happened here.

I just have to wonder, had the media not latched onto this case and played the videos non-stop, would the case be anything like it is today. After all, Nancy Grace made this case her top news story for months. This brought it to many people's attention that might, otherwise, have never been aware. As I pointed out in a post a few days ago. The Anthony case is just one of many horrendous child murder cases that have occurred in the Central Florida area in the past couple of years, yet no one knows anything about the other cases, nor seems to care. Those little lives were just as precious and the way in which they died was, in some cases, extreme abuse.

I'd really like to do some kind of study into this case to discover why this case has taken a larger than life focus and why Casey Anthony is considered the modern day equivalent of Charles Manson. I'm sure Casey is not the first self-absorbed woman to kill her child and try to hide it. I'm not judging any one's perceptions. I just find it very interesting.

That's about how I feel too. From an analytical standpoint it's a fascinating study into human character - Casey's, her family's and the public's. From an emotional standpoint, I personally just find it so very sad.

As to the media, we've a case here where an 18 month died. Law enforcement was lied to concerning the persons involved and the circumstances. It's barely been a blip on the news.

There are some obvious differences between that family and the Anthony's family. I won't post them because they sound so judgemental. I'll just say that everything Casey was, this mother was not. At the end of the day though, it's another young life lost. :(

Kurby
06-03-2011, 10:04 PM
But, you wouldn't know any of this if certain shows hadn't taken this case on as something to push. I don't know any, but the slightest details, of other cases happening in this area. For all I know, they could have someone just as bizarre involved. Yet, I know every detail of the Anthony case. For me, and this is just my opinion, the media has the power to sensationalize a case to the point that it jeopardizes the ability of our legal system to do its job the way it should. I give great kudos to the judge in the Anthony case. The man has had to deal with issues way beyond the normal scope.

as far as those shows are concerned (Nancy) it's allllllll about ratings.

stories she can sink her teeth into and go over the top with. she seems to make up nick names for every case which by the way i think is stupid - why the hell does she need to do that? TOT MOM. agrrr drives me nuts.

if she was good enough lawyer to get a tv show why does she need to "act" through out the hour. her constant rolling of eyes, the use of the nick names all the time, the condescending attitude she always has.

she tries the case on her show the first week she hears about it and keeps hammering the nail in the coffee.

god forbid (and i'm not saying she is not guilty) casey just f'ed up and it was an accident but she was scared but nancy had her tried convicted and condemned to death 3 years ago. again i'm not saying casey is innocent

if the case has some kind of hook then they will run with it if it's pretty straight forward - wheres the media punch in that.

stories like a mom who drowns her 5 children
a mom who drives her 2 babies into a lake then says a black man carjacked her and did it

these have the media punch she craves

and she's no different then any of the other "celeb lawyers" and ya i say celeb lawyers because fame seems to go to their heads - all of them.

usnuzuloose
06-03-2011, 10:04 PM
Did anyone find out why Leonard Padilla was served with? Dont make me go downtown and ask the man.

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 10:06 PM
But, you wouldn't know any of this if certain shows hadn't taken this case on as something to push. I don't know any, but the slightest details, of other cases happening in this area. For all I know, they could have someone just as bizarre involved. Yet, I know every detail of the Anthony case. For me, and this is just my opinion, the media has the power to sensationalize a case to the point that it jeopardizes the ability of our legal system to do its job the way it should. I give great kudos to the judge in the Anthony case. The man has had to deal with issues way beyond the normal scope.


I see what you're saying but show's like (especially) Nancy Grace spot light missing children's cases all the time. I know a great deal about this case as well as others. Haleigh Cummings (also in Florida) for example.

In my case, I was flipping channels one day and started watching MSNBC when they had breaking news about a little girl who was missing for 31 days and had not been reported. I googled her name and found a message board that is focused on just the missing. That's how I got my info and shows like Nancy Grace were secondary for me.

I do realize that most people don't follow missing person message boards and only get the info from the media.

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 10:07 PM
Did anyone find out why Leonard Padilla was served with? Dont make me go downtown and ask the man.

A Cease and Desist from the Anthony's. He's no longer allowed to talk about them. :headache::rotfl:

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 10:09 PM
as far as those shows are concerned (Nancy) it's allllllll about ratings.

stories she can sink her teeth into and go over the top with. she seems to make up nick names for every case which by the way i think is stupid - why the hell does she need to do that? TOT MOM. agrrr drives me nuts.

if she was good enough lawyer to get a tv show why does she need to "act" through out the hour. her constant rolling of eyes, the use of the nick names all the time, the condescending attitude she always has.

she tries the case on her show the first week she hears about it and keeps hammering the nail in the coffee.

god forbid (and i'm not saying she is not guilty) casey just f'ed up and it was an accident but she was scared but nancy had her tried convicted and condemned to death 3 years ago. again i'm not saying casey is innocent

if the case has some kind of hook then they will run with it if it's pretty straight forward - wheres the media punch in that.

stories like a mom who drowns her 5 children
a mom who drives her 2 babies into a lake then says a black man carjacked her and did it

these have the media punch she craves

and she's no different then any of the other "celeb lawyers" and ya i say celeb lawyers because fame seems to go to their heads - all of them.


JMO but, Casey did that to herself. She didn't need Nancy's help! ;)

Kurby
06-03-2011, 10:12 PM
JMO but, Casey did that to herself. She didn't need Nancy's help! ;)

i know - i just used her because it's all nancy is talking about right now so i've got nothing else to go with.

what i'm getting at is nancy has then convicted before a trial even happens - sometimes years before a trial.

and while evedience will show she did it i thought the whole american justice system was based on "inocent until proven guilty" not guilty until you can afford to prove yourself innocent.

kwim

LisaR
06-03-2011, 10:13 PM
Does anyone know where Baez got his law degree from? I have tried searching but there seems to be conflicting info. He has a website but when you click on his biography, it takes you right back to his home page!

MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 10:14 PM
JMO but, Casey did that to herself. She didn't need Nancy's help! ;)Agreed.

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 10:15 PM
i know - i just used her because it's all nancy is talking about right now so i've got nothing else to go with.

what i'm getting at is nancy has then convicted before a trial even happens - sometimes years before a trial.

and while evedience will show she did it i thought the whole american justice system was based on "inocent until proven guilty" not guilty until you can afford to prove yourself innocent.

kwim

I know what you mean but, she's getting her trial where she is innocent until proven guilty. The jury will decided that, not the media.

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 10:15 PM
I see what you're saying but show's like (especially) Nancy Grace spot light missing children's cases all the time. I know a great deal about this case as well as others. Haleigh Cummings (also in Florida) for example.

In my case, I was flipping channels one day and started watching MSNBC when they had breaking news about a little girl who was missing for 31 days and had not been reported. I googled her name and found a message board that is focused on just the missing. That's how I got my info and shows like Nancy Grace were secondary for me.

I do realize that most people don't follow missing person message boards and only get the info from the media.

The difference, in this case, was the amount of video and pictures available to NG and, the fact that Casey is such a mess. NG did give a good amount of time to Haleigh Cummings, but dropped her like a hot potato when the people involved went to jail for other charges. What was there to follow? Was the interest ever on Haleigh or the odd nature of the parents?

Casey's antics and the adorable videos available of Caylee gave her an amazing amount to work with. The case is big news and it is a ratings bonanza.

As for other missing children, I'd like to think that NG was in it for the kids, but I don't believe it. Where is the focus on Trenton Ducket? Gone. Once the mom killed herself, who did NG have to focus upon to vent her wrath?

Obviously, I am not a NG fan.

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 10:17 PM
Does anyone know where Baez got his law degree from? I have tried searching but there seems to be conflicting info. He has a website but when you click on his biography, it takes you right back to his home page!

A Cracker Jack box? :lmao:

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 10:17 PM
as far as those shows are concerned (Nancy) it's allllllll about ratings.

stories she can sink her teeth into and go over the top with. she seems to make up nick names for every case which by the way i think is stupid - why the hell does she need to do that? TOT MOM. agrrr drives me nuts.

if she was good enough lawyer to get a tv show why does she need to "act" through out the hour. her constant rolling of eyes, the use of the nick names all the time, the condescending attitude she always has.

she tries the case on her show the first week she hears about it and keeps hammering the nail in the coffee.

god forbid (and i'm not saying she is not guilty) casey just f'ed up and it was an accident but she was scared but nancy had her tried convicted and condemned to death 3 years ago. again i'm not saying casey is innocent

if the case has some kind of hook then they will run with it if it's pretty straight forward - wheres the media punch in that.

stories like a mom who drowns her 5 children
a mom who drives her 2 babies into a lake then says a black man carjacked her and did it

these have the media punch she craves

and she's no different then any of the other "celeb lawyers" and ya i say celeb lawyers because fame seems to go to their heads - all of them.

I totally agree. Unfortunately, I do believe shows like NG can and do interfere with LE and the courts to do their jobs properly.

denisem
06-03-2011, 10:17 PM
I'd really like to do some kind of study into this case to discover why this case has taken a larger than life focus and why Casey Anthony is considered the modern day equivalent of Charles Manson. I'm sure Casey is not the first self-absorbed woman to kill her child and try to hide it. I'm not judging any one's perceptions. I just find it very interesting.

Speaking for myself, here are the key differences in Casey Anthony vs. Amanda Brumfield (Billy Bob Thornton's daughter) and most other cases of filicides :

1. It took 31 days for the "kidnapping" to be reported and it wasn't done by the mother. (OTOH, Amanda reported her god-daughter's injury within a few hours, didn't claim a kidnapping, allowing for swifter justice and grieving for the family).

2. KC's lies not only hampered LE, but allowed her family (and the world) to hold out hope for months before Caylee's remains were found.

3. The Anthonys (understandably) sought out the national media in order to find their granddaughter. However, as time went on, this snowballed out of control and didn't allow for closure. Had KC admitted to the accident/murder or Caylee's remains been found early on, this may have been less of a "big story".

4. The case took a life of its own: lies, the party girl, cast of hundreds, lies, who's the daddy, denial of the obvious, lies, imaginary friends and jobs, theft...did I mention lies?

5. The simple fact that SO much of the incriminating information came to light because of our modern media (texts, emails, cellphone pings, Facebook & MySpace entries, photos, video/audio tapes) rather than traditional word-of-mouth testimony.

JMHO, always welcome other viewpoints. :)

MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 10:18 PM
Does anyone know where Baez got his law degree from? I have tried searching but there seems to be conflicting info. He has a website but when you click on his biography, it takes you right back to his home page!There's an article linked in the first post about Baez, except I'm not sure if A) the link works yet (fixing them has been a bear!) and B) it mentions his law school. But if you google "Jose Baez eight years bikini" you should come up with the same article. ;)

zalansky
06-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Can someone tell me on that last page of the old thread, there were two pics of photo evidence - looks like it marked where caylees dead body could have been in the trunk. Is that right and if so, was it shown in court today?

And on a sidenote, NOT sidebar (ahem Jose) let us all recall that the charming Scott Peterson was convicted and sent to death row on a circumstantial only case.The State in this case has done exactly what they needed to do. There will be no mistrial. They have more evidence than they did for ole Scotty...and he rots in jail as I type...

So naturally this means I believe firmly she will not get off, at all.

muffyn
06-03-2011, 10:21 PM
another question

about the towing company guys testimony,
he stated he smelled death. that he came across that before.
soooooooo what did he do when he smelled that?
did he or not call the cops? if not why? or did they not ask him?

MaryAnnDVC
06-03-2011, 10:24 PM
Below are the names from the state witness list in the Casey Anthony case. Bolded have testified.

http://www.wesh.com/r/17601789/detail.html



Sgt. John Allen, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Karen Angel, Dora Nursing and Rehabilitation Center, Mount Dora, where Casey Anthony’s grandfather lived.
Cynthia Anthony, Casey Anthony’s mother, Caylee Anthony’s grandmother
George Anthony, Casey Anthony’s father, Caylee Anthony’s grandfather
Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony’s brother
Deputy Charity R. Beasley, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Gerardo Bloise, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Rosanna Bonilla
Troy Brown
Simon Burch, works at wrecker company that towed Casey Anthony’s car
Brian Burner, neighbor of Cindy and George Anthony who loaned shovel to Casey Anthony
Deputy Sandra G. Cawn, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Ann Marie Chase
Kristina Chester, friend of Casey Anthony
David D. Clarke, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Danny Colamarino, works at tattoo parlor that Casey Anthony visited
Dee Crawford, Event Imaging Solutions Group
Matthew Crisp
Kiomarie Cruz
Jonathan Daly, Works at tattoo parlor that Casey Antony visited
Kelly Deguzman, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Tanya DePalmo, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Iassen Donov
Annie Dowling
Deputy Ryan Eberlin, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Eric Edwards, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Rendon Fletcher, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Jason Forgey, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Thomas Galaida, Tom’s Auto Repair
Harry Garcia, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived
Rich Garrad, Carlson Restaurants, Texas
Zenaida Gonzalez, woman whose name Casey Anthony used as Caylee’s nanny
Jessie Grund, Casey Anthony’s ex-boyfriend
Mark Hawkins, friend of Casey Anthony
Deputy Susan Hempfield, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Jeffrey Hopkins II, identified in police report as former high school classmate of Casey Anthony who ran into her in late June
Jeffrey and Melissa Hopkins, Jeffrey II’s parents
Reginald Hosey, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Roy "Clint" House
Amy Huizenga, friend of Casey Anthony
Sgt. Matthew Irwin, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Michael Kispert, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Maria Kisch
Anthony Lazzaro, recently Casey Anthony’s boyfriend
Ricardo Lee, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Anne Lennington, from nursing home where Casey Anthony’s father was
Nicole Lett, from wrecker company that towed Casey Anthony’s car
Dannielle Lucey-Austin
Amanda Macklin, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived
Tom Manderville, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Peter Marino, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Awilda McBryde, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Joy McCabe, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
William McCoy, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Samara Melich, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Yuri Melich, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Officer William Moore, Orlando Police Department
Ricardo Morales, dated Casey Anthony
Custodian of 911 Calls, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Custodian of Records of Johnson’s Wrecker Service, which towed Casey Anthony’s car
Custodian of Records of AT&T Wireless
Ryan Pasley
Shirley Plesea
Melissa Remy, FDLE
Gary Ridgeway, Johnson’s Wrecker, which towed Casey Anthony’s car
Pedro Rivera, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Kari Roderick, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Dante Salati
Deputy Michael Salamat, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Katherine Sanchez, Amscot
Nicole Schieber, Johnson’s Wrecker, which towed Casey Anthony’s car
Deputy Michael Seagraves, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Renee Simpson, Valencia Community College
Dianne Tighe, Colorvision
Dave Turner, Sawgrass Apartments, where Casey Anthony said Caylee’s nanny lived
Leonard Turtora, Universal, where Casey Anthony said she worked
Michael Vincent, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Appling Wells, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Deputy Jerold White, Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Lance White
Bobby Lee Williams
Deputy Ryan Williams, Orange County Sheriff’s Office

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 10:27 PM
another question

about the towing company guys testimony,
he stated he smelled death. that he came across that before.
soooooooo what did he do when he smelled that?
did he or not call the cops? if not why? or did they not ask him?

I'm going to paraphrase here, Simon Birch (Burch?) did not call the police because when the trunk was opened, in George Anthony's presence, there was no body. Therefore, he would have only been reporting a smell.

Why he didn't call when he first smelled it? I forget what, if anything, his response was. Sorry.

LisaR
06-03-2011, 10:28 PM
There's an article linked in the first post about Baez, except I'm not sure if A) the link works yet (fixing them has been a bear!) and B) it mentions his law school. But if you google "Jose Baez eight years bikini" you should come up with the same article. ;)

Oh my! I now see why Casey picked him for her attorney. They seem like a match made in Heaven!

Conservative Hippie
06-03-2011, 10:29 PM
I am also not a Nancy Grace fan. I actually cannot stand her. If I knew nothing about this case, other than that NG thinks Casey is guilty, I would honestly give her the benefit of the doubt. NG latches on to cases and certain and people and details and states her opinion as fact without giving the full story. It gets her ratings and ratings are what pay her bills.

Kurby
06-03-2011, 10:29 PM
Can someone tell me on that last page of the old thread, there were two pics of photo evidence - looks like it marked where caylees dead body could have been in the trunk. Is that right and if so, was it shown in court today?

And on a sidenote, NOT sidebar (ahem Jose) let us all recall that the charming Scott Peterson was convicted and sent to death row on a circumstantial only case.The State in this case has done exactly what they needed to do. There will be no mistrial. They have more evidence than they did for ole Scotty...and he rots in jail as I type...

So naturally this means I believe firmly she will not get off, at all.


thank god he did. but i wonder how much that had to do with his wife being pg at the time he killed her.

the murder of a child/infant/unborn seems to add weight to a case.

anyone know what susan smith got?

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 10:33 PM
Funny blog about Baez -
http://www.bloggernews.net/126639

More info, same blogger -
http://www.bloggernews.net/118118

I like this blogger's writing style. :lmao:

Kurby
06-03-2011, 10:33 PM
i can't wait to hear Zenaida Gonzalez

i saw an interview with her tonight and she said she would love to see her face to face. that she has spend the last 3 years dealing with death threats, lost jobs, prob being kicked out of her home all because casey saw her name on a registry for the appartments and used it as her scape goat.

Kurby
06-03-2011, 10:47 PM
FYI

susan smith got life and will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024

it will be very interesting to see the difference in sentencing since both cases are based on selfishness unlike andrea yates.

Seahunt
06-03-2011, 10:50 PM
Digging way back tonight and reread this info from 12/08 about Casey and her possible connection to Sawgrass. A person mentioned in it has friends/relatives named:

RAQUEL
JASMIN
VICTOR
SAMANTHA

Hmm, these are all names Casey used for Zanny's inner circle.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/

I've been trying to figure out how she seemingly comes up with all these names out of nowhere, and then how she keeps them all straight. ;)

denisem
06-03-2011, 11:06 PM
I'm going to paraphrase here, Simon Birch (Burch?) did not call the police because when the trunk was opened, in George Anthony's presence, there was no body. Therefore, he would have only been reporting a smell.

Why he didn't call when he first smelled it? I forget what, if anything, his response was. Sorry.

I wondered that, too. But, IIRC, from SB's deposition, he didn't notice an odor when the car was first parked at the tow yard; it was only when George opening the trunk that the smell was overpowering.

DH & I throw around theories while watching testimony & came to the conclusion - what could SB do at that point? The owner paid the bill, opened the trunk, filled the tank & drove off. There WAS garbage in there, can you call LE on smell? Wouldn't that have been George's responsibility?

I don't know, I have a lot of questions revolving around the odor in the trunk. Hope they can will be answered by forensic experts.

EMom
06-03-2011, 11:22 PM
The case immediately got my attention (even before all the lies tumbled out) because Caylee was missing for 31 days and even then, the grandmother reported instead of Casey. When I heard "31 days" I said, "That poor baby is dead for sure."

That 911 call is chilling for many reasons. Not the least of these is the fact that Cindy was in a panic and hysterical while Casey was calm, nonchalant and lied with the greatest of ease. I mean, the 911 operator, who is trained to stay calm, displayed more emotion and concern for Caylee than Casey did.

Watching those videos today, every time Cindy would start to break down and start worrying aloud about whether the "kidnapper" might hurt Caylee, whether she was being fed and hugged, was she safe, etc., Casey would go into her "I feel it in my gut that Caylee is safe....she is coming home to us.... she will look just like she did the last time we saw her.....I just know it" routine. How cruel can she get? It is emotional torture of her parents. A person who will do that could certainly kill their own child, IMHO.

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 11:24 PM
Speaking for myself, here are the key differences in Casey Anthony vs. Amanda Brumfield (Billy Bob Thornton's daughter) and most other cases of filicides :

1. It took 31 days for the "kidnapping" to be reported and it wasn't done by the mother. (OTOH, Amanda reported her god-daughter's injury within a few hours, didn't claim a kidnapping, allowing for swifter justice and grieving for the family).

2. KC's lies not only hampered LE, but allowed her family (and the world) to hold out hope for months before Caylee's remains were found.

3. The Anthonys (understandably) sought out the national media in order to find their granddaughter. However, as time went on, this snowballed out of control and didn't allow for closure. Had KC admitted to the accident/murder or Caylee's remains been found early on, this may have been less of a "big story".

4. The case took a life of its own: lies, the party girl, cast of hundreds, lies, who's the daddy, denial of the obvious, lies, imaginary friends and jobs, theft...did I mention lies?

5. The simple fact that SO much of the incriminating information came to light because of our modern media (texts, emails, cellphone pings, Facebook & MySpace entries, photos, video/audio tapes) rather than traditional word-of-mouth testimony.

JMHO, always welcome other viewpoints. :)

I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

Belle0101
06-03-2011, 11:27 PM
I didn't notice a date on this article but I think it helps point out what feralpeg was saying -

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm


"According to the American Anthropological Association, more than 200 women kill their children in the United States each year. Three to five children a day are killed by their parents. Homicide is one of the leading causes of death of children under age four, yet we continue to "persist with the unrealistic view that this is rare behavior," says Jill Korbin, expert on child abuse, who has studied mothers who killed their children."


BTW - I really really hope nobody ever needs to look at my laptop's history. :scared1:

Feralpeg
06-03-2011, 11:30 PM
BTW - I really really hope nobody ever need to look at my laptop's history. :scared1:

Good reason to keep to the straight and narrow! :rotfl:

JaneBanks
06-03-2011, 11:31 PM
I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I heard about Caylee on the news when it first broke and that same day I went to Websleuths. :thumbsup2

Conservative Hippie
06-03-2011, 11:38 PM
A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

Local news. And honestly I avoided it because, as a new mom, it scared me. I didn't want to hear about a dead baby, much less killed by her mother. Anything new was always on the news - it was hard to avoid it even if you were trying. I only recently started paying attention and getting caught up, right before the jury selection.

denisem
06-03-2011, 11:47 PM
Digging way back tonight and reread this info from 12/08 about Casey and her possible connection to Sawgrass. A person mentioned in it has friends/relatives named:

RAQUEL
JASMIN
VICTOR
SAMANTHA

Hmm, these are all names Casey used for Zanny's inner circle.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/

I've been trying to figure out how she seemingly comes up with all these names out of nowhere, and then how she keeps them all straight. ;)

OK, this just gets weirder and weirder...

I just read today a deposition on a PRO witness, Annie Downing (friend of Casey) and went back to find the link. Page 6, starting at line 10. Guess where Annie Downing and Dante Salani lived in 2006? Sawgrass Apts.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092909anthonycaseanniedowninginterview010609/1/lg/8273-8359_Page_06.htm

muffyn
06-03-2011, 11:51 PM
saturday tv coverage

which channels?

trutv has tons of programs listed,
or hlN?

gotta record it, can't watch computer live

Seahunt
06-03-2011, 11:56 PM
A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

Way back on 7/17/08 I posted Caylee's photo and asked DISers if anyone had seen her - I must have originally heard about it on local news:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1889463

Eventually I went on to WS and spent all kinds of time sleuthing all kinds of stuff - but then didn't know if anything I found actually meant anything to the case. :cutie: Burned out there and stepped away for a while, but my interest hasn't wavered. It's just all such a mystery, though I did read today about Occam's razor - (principle) often inaccurately summarized as "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one."

Probably true :laughing:

:surfweb:

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 12:16 AM
Oh my! I now see why Casey picked him for her attorney. They seem like a match made in Heaven!He's a special guy. :headache:I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.I'm not sure what you're looking for...what response. :confused: I think everyone has given very good reasons why this case is more "interesting" than others, and therefore in the news more. There are many many missing children...they aren't all going to get the same amount of attention. The attention isn't about this child's life being more valuable...it's the circumstances of this case.

I heard about this case on the news, I think. Or the DIS. :confused3 I don't go to websleuths, ever, before the other thread (and the link didn't work), nor did I go to any other site about this case. I was drawn in by the 31 days and the grandmother's horrific 911 call. I was drawn in by the very same things that drew in the media...the bizarre nature of this case, from day 1.

If the DIS didn't exist, and therefore this thread, I wouldn't be following the case to the extent that I am. There are lots of things I found out about first here, on the DIS.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 12:21 AM
I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I think I get what you're saying. Or at least in my world I get it. If not, feel free to correct me, I'm not easily offended. :)

Using the statistics I found - more than 200 children a year die as a result of filicide - what brought this case so much media attention?

I was reading another article that referenced filicide (death by parent) and it mentioned that we (the collective we, not just us here) are drawn to these cases because the people involved seemed so normal. Average family, working class, and even race. (Seems a shame to mention that but it was in the article.) We can't believe that this could happen to someone who is like us.

Caylee was 1 of approximately 200 children murdered by a parent that year. I do think it was the amount of videos, photos and tapes made available. Plus, Caylee was adorable and Casey was attractive. (She, to me, barely even looks like the same person now.) Hello ratings!!

Conversely, the local case I referenced earlier, the news has never once shown a picture of the baby that died. It's hard to stay interested in the case when you aren't seeing, or being bombarded by, images on a daily basis. It slips to the back of your mind. Sad but true. That baby, I don't even know her name. The local media quit following the case.

Now where did I get my info about this case from? 2008 is so long ago, my memory isn't so good, I don't recall when or how I first heard about it. I started following it once I saw MaryAnn's post. I read that it would be televised, and given my fascination with the law and it's workings, I got sucked in to watching.

Good reason to keep to the straight and narrow! :rotfl:

I try but with all the searches I've been doing around this case, well it could look bad for me if they were to be taken out of context.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 12:38 AM
This is a Canadian article but I think it helps explain some what can make a case high profile, like the Anthony case -

http://www.crcvc.ca/en/media-guide/part-1/high-profile-cases/

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 12:45 AM
Way back on 7/17/08 I posted Caylee's photo and asked DISers if anyone had seen her - I must have originally heard about it on local news:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1889463 Wow. Thanks for that link. Enlightening in so many ways. :) Including the fact that I posted on it 23 times. ;)

denisem
06-04-2011, 01:06 AM
I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

OK, I misunderstood.

I live in FL, so heard it on local/nat'l news at the onset. Didn't have the time or interest to follow closely or form an opinion.

Only recently (shortly before the opening arguments) did I have the time to dig into it. I like (no LOVE!) to read, preferably from the horse's mouth. So my main sources have been the legal transcripts/depositions.

Oh, I dislike Nancy Grace, too. :rotfl: If I watch, I tune her out to see if her guests have anything to offer.

beaucoup
06-04-2011, 01:17 AM
Is the only time we see Casey confronted about her lies and how she reacts when the police have her at Universal Studios & she was going to bring them to where she works?

We never really see how she reacts to being confronted, right?
Do her friends or family ever confront her about any lies at all?
Do they just accept them after they find out she lied again?
Oh, its just Casey.

Just curious what she usually does when people question her saying they know she is lying.

beaucoup
06-04-2011, 01:20 AM
Also saw on Dr Drew tonight an expert saying Casey's tears are always fake because her eyebrows don't arch up in the center of her forhead when she cries. Supposedly, everyones eyebrows go up in the center of forehead when they cry for real. She said to google Paris Hilton getting arrested to see good pictures. I haven't yet.

I plan on watching Casey's eyebrows. Or what little there is of them.

bas71873
06-04-2011, 05:37 AM
Joining in the fun. I've been reading along since the first thread :goodvibes

One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I'd like to know this too. I do know that there is no father listed on Caylee's birth certificate and that DNA tests were run to rule out George & Lee. Other than that, it's kind of been pushed under the rug. My guess is that Casey doesn't even know.


Does anyone know where Baez got his law degree from? I have tried searching but there seems to be conflicting info. He has a website but when you click on his biography, it takes you right back to his home page!

I just googled it (so take it for what it's worth), but the first thing to come up says he went to St. Thomas Law School (which is a lower ranked school in Miami) and that he graduated in 1997, but it took him 8 years to pass the bar.

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 07:17 AM
I am also not a Nancy Grace fan. I actually cannot stand her. If I knew nothing about this case, other than that NG thinks Casey is guilty, I would honestly give her the benefit of the doubt. NG latches on to cases and certain and people and details and states her opinion as fact without giving the full story. It gets her ratings and ratings are what pay her bills.

Not a fan of Nancy Grace, not because of her show, but because of her presentation. I can' stand all that yelling bombshell stuff ... But, her show is NOT a news show . Its her opinion, and that's fine. I'll get my facts elsewhere LOL

Digging way back tonight and reread this info from 12/08 about Casey and her possible connection to Sawgrass. A person mentioned in it has friends/relatives named:

RAQUEL
JASMIN
VICTOR
SAMANTHA

Hmm, these are all names Casey used for Zanny's inner circle.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/

I've been trying to figure out how she seemingly comes up with all these names out of nowhere, and then how she keeps them all straight. ;)

Cause she's a sociopath.

OK, this just gets weirder and weirder...

I just read today a deposition on a PRO witness, Annie Downing (friend of Casey) and went back to find the link. Page 6, starting at line 10. Guess where Annie Downing and Dante Salani lived in 2006? Sawgrass Apts.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092909anthonycaseanniedowninginterview010609/1/lg/8273-8359_Page_06.htm

Her lies are always based off of some kind of reality. She sees something and that helps her with building up her lies.



Now, as far as this case taking on a life of its own. Ive mentioned before some reason but , and I think this is important. This case has progressively grown and grown and grown. Why? I think another reason, among he many others, is hat its been 3 years and there has been no closure. No guilty, no truth, no confession, nothing. Then, just as things MIGHT calm down, BOOM, another release of evidence and depostions. (Gotta love the sunshine laws!)It has gone on and on and snowballed. It took months to find the baby girl. I live in S Florida and can tell you that most people really forgot about this case and barely remembered it until now.

Between the never ending case and the Florida sunshine laws it has kept people interested. That's just what I think.

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 07:18 AM
Also saw on Dr Drew tonight an expert saying Casey's tears are always fake because her eyebrows don't arch up in the center of her forhead when she cries. Supposedly, everyones eyebrows go up in the center of forehead when they cry for real. She said to google Paris Hilton getting arrested to see good pictures. I haven't yet.

I plan on watching Casey's eyebrows. Or what little there is of them.

They are freakish looking. Between the clenched jaw and half shaven eyebrows, she really has developed quite a diabolical look!


Oh and not sure if anyone posted it, but the Mr Bloise's notes were destroyed as per Orange County protocol. Once the report is written up , the personal notes are to be destroyed.

epcot.girl
06-04-2011, 07:25 AM
A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I heard about it while in WDW. We had the TV on in CSR and Nancy Grace came on. I knew of NG prior to this due to some failblog footage - I'll never forget how she had the Duke lacrosse team tried and convicted so quickly. I'm not accustomed to such extreme conclusion jumping and aggressive accusations by supposed professionals/experts on TV and I don't really like it.

I don't believe there has been any coverage of this case in the UK. I may be the only person outside of North America who is aware and watching!

Dee77
06-04-2011, 07:32 AM
They are freakish looking. Between the clenched jaw and half shaven eyebrows, she really has developed quite a diabolical look!


Oh and not sure if anyone posted it, but the Mr Bloise's notes were destroyed as per Orange County protocol. Once the report is written up , the personal notes are to be destroyed.

I am sure to catch a lot of grief over my next comment but... I have to say it:
There is something about Casey's current look (face only) that reminds me of Kate Gosselin, it has to do with the scowl and locking of the jaw.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:06 AM
Good Morning everyone.

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 08:07 AM
Dee, no grief from me.


This witness will be interesting to see how Jose handles. During the Frye hearings Jose really objected as to it being crap science. This is the hair banding FBI employee that says that the death banding shows it came from a person after death. Dorothy Sim should handle the cross.. she's is soooo hard to listen to!

And Jeff Ashton handles the direct. I love listening to him

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:09 AM
and herfe we go

Samba
06-04-2011, 08:09 AM
A little schoolin' from JBP to start the day!

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:10 AM
I am sure to catch a lot of grief over my next comment but... I have to say it:
There is something about Casey's current look (face only) that reminds me of Kate Gosselin, it has to do with the scowl and locking of the jaw.

Now that you mention it I see what your saying, I quit watching that show so long ago.

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 08:10 AM
Good Morning everyone.
Buenos Dias!

pumba
06-04-2011, 08:10 AM
we were in Disney at our resort and because of a big thunderstorm we were in our room....heard all about it on Nancy Grace.. I could not stand her back then because of what she did to that woman who killed herself because of NG belittleing her about her missing child.......I didnt know who to believe but that turned me off....so I watched about this poor missing child and looked around Disney just in case...it was so sad back then and still sad now.....

thanks for this thread as I dont get to see tv during the day except when my niece is napping..

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:14 AM
first sidebar of the day to argue what dippy had already agreed to months ago.

gees this guy is a tool

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 08:18 AM
OK. Trying to watch in on HLN but switched back to streaming. That Jean Casares is talking too much LOL. But I have to leave in a few minutes.

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:20 AM
hln has too many commerccials too - seems they aren't looking at whats going on and just plop commercials in now.

case in point they just went to one while she's talking about how she compairss

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 08:25 AM
Tidbit: In case people don't know and I was just reminded by twitter. This attorney, Jeff Ashton, is the first attorney to get DNA evidence admitted and used in a court of law when he got a rapist convicted 20 years ago

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 08:29 AM
hln has too many commerccials too - seems they aren't looking at whats going on and just plop commercials in now.

case in point they just went to one while she's talking about how she compairss

I think there's some kinda law that dictates when commercials air. I'm in Texas 'n when our weather gets bad, they interrupt regularly scheduled programmin' 'n go on 'n on about the weather, but they always break for the scheduled commercials. We have a tornado touchin down 'n we'll be right back after this short break (commercial). :headache:

Good mornin' everybody. :)

LisaR
06-04-2011, 08:32 AM
I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I have never seen an episode of Nancy Grace in my life. I haven't been on the Webslueth website until this week and that was only because someone linked to that site.

I do live in FL so I couldn't miss this when it was first taking place even if I wanted to. Having said that, I rarely watch the local news and I don't have cable so I wasn't being bombarded with it too much. I do read online news sites every single day but I didn't take an interest in this trial until I heard Baez in his opening statement. I didn't have any intention of tuning in but now I am addicted. I just can't believe the lies and that is what fascinates me and draws me in.

Conservative Hippie
06-04-2011, 08:34 AM
Tidbit: In case people don't know and I was just reminded by twitter. This attorney, Jeff Ashton, is the first attorney to get DNA evidence admitted and used in a court of law when he got a rapist convicted 20 years ago

Wow, I didn't realize they had only been using DNA for 20 years.

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 08:35 AM
Damnittohell, I was interested in this testimony, damn commercials. :headache:

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Damnittohell, I was interested in this testimony, damn commercials. :headache:

Wesh quit streaming, switched to wftv two times and had to see 6 commercials.:headache:

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:38 AM
2 things that come to mind

Hair that is forceably removed. - this doesn't mean ripped out. It happens when you brush your hair and the brush pulls hairs out.

And 2. Would all hair show signs of decamp as soon as it starts to die?

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:40 AM
2 things that come to mind

Hair that is forceably removed. - this doesn't mean ripped out. It happens when you brush your hair and the brush pulls hairs out.

And 2. Would all hair show signs of decamp as soon as it starts to die?

I wonder if she has tested that?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 08:40 AM
Wesh quit streaming, switched to wftv two times and had to see 6 commercials.:headache:Try http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 08:42 AM
2 things that come to mind

Hair that is forceably removed. - this doesn't mean ripped out. It happens when you brush your hair and the brush pulls hairs out.

And 2. Would all hair show signs of decamp as soon as it starts to die?

I understood it to be that decomposing hair is still attached to the head which allows the post mortum banding.

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:44 AM
I understood it to be that decomposing hair is still attached to the head which allows the post mortum banding.

Oh ok. So there must be some kind of chemical reaction that occurs after death if the hair is still attached

diznygirl
06-04-2011, 08:45 AM
hln has too many commerccials too - seems they aren't looking at whats going on and just plop commercials in now.

case in point they just went to one while she's talking about how she compairss

I think there's some kinda law that dictates when commercials air. I'm in Texas 'n when our weather gets bad, they interrupt regularly scheduled programmin' 'n go on 'n on about the weather, but they always break for the scheduled commercials. We have a tornado touchin down 'n we'll be right back after this short break (commercial). :headache:

Good mornin' everybody. :)


They need to do what the Indy 500 did - cut to commercials with a box showing the race in the lower corner.


Family wants to do stuff today. I'll have to catch up later. Keep up the good work! :thumbsup2

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 08:45 AM
2 things that come to mind

Hair that is forceably removed. - this doesn't mean ripped out. It happens when you brush your hair and the brush pulls hairs out.

And 2. Would all hair show signs of decamp as soon as it starts to die?I've kind of zoned out this morning so haven't been listening closely. But, when you brush your hair, I don't think hair is forcibly removed...I think it's already loose. I'm guessing forcibly removed DOES mean kind of ripped out?

I thought hairs showing decomp is when the person died. Hair itself doesn't show decomp unless it's attached to a person that's decomping.

Of course, I could be totally off base. Need to focus this morning. DD sent me a text: "Case Anthony trial is on in the bagel shop. Thinking of you!" Well, I'm glad she's thinking of me anyway!

plutotek
06-04-2011, 08:45 AM
2 things that come to mind

Hair that is forceably removed. - this doesn't mean ripped out. It happens when you brush your hair and the brush pulls hairs out.

And 2. Would all hair show signs of decamp as soon as it starts to die?

If I understood the explanation correctly, a hair from a living being is different than one coming from a corpse. It's not the hair decomp that is being explained, but whether the host was alive or decomposing.

oooops, too late

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:45 AM
Interesting though that there was only 1 hair

Would think there would be a few more - no?

ugadog99
06-04-2011, 08:46 AM
A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

We were in Orlando when this case first began breaking. At the time, a very, very close friend of mine's daughter was still recovering (and still is) from the after effects of Shaken Baby Syndrome caused by her babysitter. (I posted a LOT about that when it was happening.) Hannah and Caylee were the same age. (born within 4 days of each other) I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that Hannah almost died because of shaking by a babysitter and here was Caylee who died at the hands of her own mother. We have never been able to let this case go. It feels very personal to us.

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:50 AM
i have to go back to the laptop streaming - i'm missing too much info with all these flippen commercials agrrr

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:51 AM
I think there's some kinda law that dictates when commercials air. I'm in Texas 'n when our weather gets bad, they interrupt regularly scheduled programmin' 'n go on 'n on about the weather, but they always break for the scheduled commercials. We have a tornado touchin down 'n we'll be right back after this short break (commercial). :headache:

Good mornin' everybody. :)

Good Morning:)

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:52 AM
buddy needs to take a Ricola or something for that throat LOL

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:53 AM
Try http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-tivid-casey-anthony-jury-livestream,0,999563.htmlstory

Thank You, it may be because it is pouring rain here in ca. Its just weird

Kurby
06-04-2011, 08:55 AM
Thank You, it may be because it is pouring rain here in ca. Its just weird

it's raining here in Toronto too :( dh was going to take dd to a fun fair at one of the schools - wonder if it will just be moved inside.

ohhhhh theres some thunder

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 08:56 AM
Interesting though that there was only 1 hair

Would think there would be a few more - no?Yeah, that's interesting. But I guess it could be anything. If Caylee was in the bags :(, was this a hair that was on the bag from when she was put in it. I don't know. Don't know what to think.We were in Orlando when this case first began breaking. At the time, a very, very close friend of mine's daughter was still recovering (and still is) from the after effects of Shaken Baby Syndrome caused by her babysitter. (I posted a LOT about that when it was happening.) Hannah and Caylee were the same age. (born within 4 days of each other) I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that Hannah almost died because of shaking by a babysitter and here was Caylee who died at the hands of her own mother. We have never been able to let this case go. It feels very personal to us.:hug: That's just awful. Poor Hannah. :( And her family! How tragic.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 08:57 AM
it's raining here in Toronto too :( dh was going to take dd to a fun fair at one of the schools - wonder if it will just be moved inside.

ohhhhh theres some thunder

Weather is strange this year. Hope they get to enjoy it inside.

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 08:59 AM
Oh darn...Bozo is doing the cross. I was looking forward to Cheney Mason accusing the witness of talking to the jury and not to him.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 09:07 AM
Baez is not qualified to defend this case or any other case.

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 09:11 AM
Baez is not qualified to defend this case or any other case.

I would feel awful for anyone he was defending that was truly innocent. He obviously hasn't got a clue.

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 09:14 AM
On my Iphone right now. Bill Schaeffer really brings up good points. This defense is kind of schizophrenic. First they say the Caylee is dead and both George and Casey knew it. They say that George had access to the vehicle and insinuate George could have put Caylee in there. THEN, they fight that the hair might not have come from a dead Caylee and that the stain was just normal staining.

Which is it? Is she dead and they knew it or not?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 09:15 AM
On my Iphone right now. Bill Schaeffer really brings up good points. This defense is kind of schizophrenic. First they say the Caylee is dead and both George and Casey knew it. They say that George had access to the vehicle and insinuate George could have put Caylee in there. THEN, they fight that the hair might not have come from a dead Caylee and that the stain was just normal staining.

Which is it? Is she dead and the knew it or not?Excellent points.

Joviroxx, what will we do without you? You can't reschedule your trip??? ;)

joviroxx
06-04-2011, 09:25 AM
Excellent points.

Joviroxx, what will we do without you? You can't reschedule your trip??? ;)

Im sure you'll survive LOL.. You have things well in hand! I just follow :) Besides, this thread is a lot easier to follow for highlights than Hinky or Websleuths. Those threads go SOOOO fast you miss so much!

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 09:30 AM
Im sure you'll survive LOL.. You have things well in hand! I just follow :) Besides, this thread is a lot easier to follow for highlights than Hinky or Websleuths. Those threads go SOOOO fast you miss so much!:sad2: No no no! You tweet and stuff. :confused3

That's why I can't go to those other sights...too much information! This thread moves fast sometimes, but if those are faster, yikes! Maybe I'm just old. LOL

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 09:31 AM
Im sure you'll survive LOL.. You have things well in hand! I just follow :) Besides, this thread is a lot easier to follow for highlights than Hinky or Websleuths. Those threads go SOOOO fast you miss so much!

I don't know about those sites, but I am lovin' this one, thanks again to everybody for postin' 'n Mare for keepin' the threads. :flower3:

ugadog99
06-04-2011, 09:34 AM
That's just awful. Poor Hannah. :( And her family! How tragic.

Thank you. It was a very, very difficult time. Hannah is just terrific now with the only left over visible injury in one eye. Hannah is a miracle, so this case has always brought up intense emotions for us. :sad2:

Kurby
06-04-2011, 09:36 AM
ok - dippy is trying to get karen to admit she thinks this paper is the be all and end all but she wont??

is that where this is going?

diznygirl
06-04-2011, 09:39 AM
On my Iphone right now. Bill Schaeffer really brings up good points. This defense is kind of schizophrenic. First they say the Caylee is dead and both George and Casey knew it. They say that George had access to the vehicle and insinuate George could have put Caylee in there. THEN, they fight that the hair might not have come from a dead Caylee and that the stain was just normal staining.

Which is it? Is she dead and they knew it or not?


Exactly. Do they not see this? Confusing the jury isn't the same as casting reasonable doubt.

:sad2:

Kurby
06-04-2011, 09:40 AM
ohhhhh i'm confused - doesn't take much these days - what the heck is going on???

he's trying to get another case on trial here?? she wasn't there she didn't see the transcript what is he playing at???

Mickey Fliers
06-04-2011, 09:40 AM
Wait, is this proffer testimony or is the jury present?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Thank you. It was a very, very difficult time. Hannah is just terrific now with the only left over visible injury in one eye. Hannah is a miracle, so this case has always brought up intense emotions for us. :sad2:I'm so glad you updated on her current condition. I'm glad she's recovered to the point where she has. And I love the name Hannah. :lovestruc

klj27
06-04-2011, 09:41 AM
I am leaving for WDW on Monday and returning on Friday with my daughter's high school band. I am going to miss so much! I wish there was something who was only tweeting pertinent facts from the trial. I don't want my phone to die on the bus ride there.

Kurby
06-04-2011, 09:43 AM
Wait, is this proffer testimony or is the jury present?


what is proffer?

are they trying to see if she is a credible witness during trial? why wouldn't that be brought up before?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 09:45 AM
Wait, is this proffer testimony or is the jury present?I don't know. ?? Oh wait...jury coming in now.

Another JP smackdown. I swear, Baez sounds so whiny when he doesn't get his way. Love the way Ashton reprimands Baez too. :thumbsup2

EMom
06-04-2011, 09:49 AM
I do not believe she has a clue who the daddy is. If she had known that, don't you just know she would have made it her life's mission to siphon money off him and his family? Nope....she likely never even got the last name and if she hooked up with a match-made-in-heaven liar like herself, she has no clue as to the first name. But my money is on multiple men who fit that description.

Nancy
06-04-2011, 09:53 AM
it's raining here in Toronto too :( dh was going to take dd to a fun fair at one of the schools - wonder if it will just be moved inside.

ohhhhh theres some thunder

Just started to thunder down here in Buffalo. Getting darker out too, but no rain yet.


I totally forgot court was going to be going on today.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:04 AM
So it came from the trash bag, which came from tonys apartment.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 10:19 AM
Here's a Tweet from the fake Judge Perry from this morning -

Sometimes I feel like I'm part defense attorney. Constantly havin' to school this joker in law.

:lmao:

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:21 AM
Asking if she failed her first test, yet he could not get in the bar the first time. Okaaayyy

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 10:21 AM
Kind of aumusing to hear Baez pointing out that the witness failed a proficiency test in 2000 when it took HIM 8 years to get into the Florida bar.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:24 AM
Kind of aumusing to hear Baez pointing out that the witness failed a proficiency test in 2000 when it took HIM 8 years to get into the Florida bar.

Didnt know it took him that long. Ouch

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:26 AM
Did she just give Baez a glaring look?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 10:27 AM
Didnt know it took him that long. OuchWhat?! You haven't read the article about him linked (which I THINK works now :rolleyes: ) in the first post? You're missing out on some really precious entertainment!

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 10:28 AM
Did she just give Baez a glaring look?She who?

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:29 AM
She who?

Sorry the the lady on the witness stand.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 10:31 AM
Another Tweet -

FACTOID: There's a pool on the 20th floor. Good thing I brought my speedo for lunch recess.

:lmao:

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:31 AM
What?! You haven't read the article about him linked (which I THINK works now :rolleyes: ) in the first post? You're missing out on some really precious entertainment!

Yes I read that I probably just missed that it took hime 8 years. I dont think he should have ever been an attorney. He does not know how to conduct himself in or out of the courtroom.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 10:34 AM
Another Tweet -

FACTOID: There's a pool on the 20th floor. Good thing I brought my speedo for lunch recess.

:lmao:

Really? What a luxury

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 10:39 AM
Really? What a luxury


I should have clarified that it came from the fake Judge Perry. I don't know who it really is but they're pretty funny.

crz4mm2
06-04-2011, 10:41 AM
Is there a camera on Casey all the time? And if so, link?

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 10:44 AM
Is there a camera on Casey all the time? And if so, link?http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

denisem
06-04-2011, 10:48 AM
Tidbit: In case people don't know and I was just reminded by twitter. This attorney, Jeff Ashton, is the first attorney to get DNA evidence admitted and used in a court of law when he got a rapist convicted 20 years ago

joviroxx - You rock! Thanks, I appreciate your tidbits. :thumbsup2

crz4mm2
06-04-2011, 10:49 AM
http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/interactive.html

:worship:

horseshowmom
06-04-2011, 10:51 AM
Of course, I could be totally off base. Need to focus this morning. DD sent me a text: "Case Anthony trial is on in the bagel shop. Thinking of you!" Well, I'm glad she's thinking of me anyway!

:rotfl::lmao::rotfl2::laughing:

Thank you. It was a very, very difficult time. Hannah is just terrific now with the only left over visible injury in one eye. Hannah is a miracle, so this case has always brought up intense emotions for us. :sad2:

I'm so glad that she's doing so much better! :cheer2:

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 10:54 AM
I don't know if this was discussed, but here goes:

My Mom just asked me about something Jane Cesarez (sp?) mentioned on tv I think yesterday. She said Baez was making googley eyes/flirting with someone up in the balcony during the day yesterday. Anyone know what that is about?

denisem
06-04-2011, 10:56 AM
Another Tweet -

FACTOID: There's a pool on the 20th floor. Good thing I brought my speedo for lunch recess.

:lmao:

Fake Judge Perry is a hoot! Thanks for bringing him/her to our attention.

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 10:57 AM
Wow, this guy gathered the air samples. I heard the prosecution wants the jury to smell the decomposition from a can. :scared1:

Feralpeg
06-04-2011, 11:01 AM
He's a special guy. :headache:I'm not sure what you're looking for...what response. :confused: I think everyone has given very good reasons why this case is more "interesting" than others, and therefore in the news more. There are many many missing children...they aren't all going to get the same amount of attention. The attention isn't about this child's life being more valuable...it's the circumstances of this case.

I heard about this case on the news, I think. Or the DIS. :confused3 I don't go to websleuths, ever, before the other thread (and the link didn't work), nor did I go to any other site about this case. I was drawn in by the 31 days and the grandmother's horrific 911 call. I was drawn in by the very same things that drew in the media...the bizarre nature of this case, from day 1.

If the DIS didn't exist, and therefore this thread, I wouldn't be following the case to the extent that I am. There are lots of things I found out about first here, on the DIS.

I guess I was looking for how people got hooked on this case over other cases. People say it is because of all the wierd things Casey did, but I wondered how they knew about all those things unless they were hearing it on a network program or reading it on a site like Websleuths. Being local, I heard it every day, but I can't imagine that was the case in locations outside of Florida.

For me, it is just a curiosity thing. I was just trying to understand the initial draw to this case for so many over other cases.

In the end, I believe the media is the reason for this phenomana. I have the best answer I think I will get on this one. Thanks to all who answered.

Kurby
06-04-2011, 11:03 AM
i wonder.......


how many of us could pass the bar after this case LOL

Kurby
06-04-2011, 11:06 AM
i live in canada - so we don't get americal news (except buffalo). anything we get must make it's way to the national news and they are the ones who deem it news worthy or worth reapeating over and over.

i never heard of web****hs before and still haven't gone onto that site.

it's basically up to the media as to what gets coverage and what doesn't - who there makes the decisions? i guess a group of people who think this case over that case will get more ratings.

it's always about money for them - what they can charge for commercials during this trial over that trial.

crz4mm2
06-04-2011, 11:08 AM
I got hooked because of the coverage. It was on national news (otherwise I would not have heard about it) and as the case became more and more bizarre I was drawn in. I think anytime a young child disappears, it is an attention grabber. At least for me. If it had just been her disappearance, I would not have probably been drawn in, but since she was "missing for 31 days" before she was reported missing, that added another dimension.


I guess I was looking for how people got hooked on this case over other cases. People say it is because of all the wierd things Casey did, but I wondered how they knew about all those things unless they were hearing it on a network program or reading it on a site like Websleuths. Being local, I heard it every day, but I can't imagine that was the case in locations outside of Florida.

For me, it is just a curiosity thing. I was just trying to understand the initial draw to this case for so many over other cases.

In the end, I believe the media is the reason for this phenomana. I have the best answer I think I will get on this one. Thanks to all who answered.

pigletgirl
06-04-2011, 11:10 AM
Checking in!

JaneBanks
06-04-2011, 11:11 AM
I don't know if this was discussed, but here goes:

My Mom just asked me about something Jane Cesarez (sp?) mentioned on tv I think yesterday. She said Baez was making googley eyes/flirting with someone up in the balcony during the day yesterday. Anyone know what that is about?

Geraldo?

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 11:12 AM
I should have clarified that it came from the fake Judge Perry. I don't know who it really is but they're pretty funny.

Hmmmm...imaginary wonder if Baez would buy that

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 11:15 AM
I guess I was looking for how people got hooked on this case over other cases. People say it is because of all the wierd things Casey did, but I wondered how they knew about all those things unless they were hearing it on a network program or reading it on a site like Websleuths. Being local, I heard it every day, but I can't imagine that was the case in locations outside of Florida.

For me, it is just a curiosity thing. I was just trying to understand the initial draw to this case for so many over other cases.

In the end, I believe the media is the reason for this phenomana. I have the best answer I think I will get on this one. Thanks to all who answered.

Truthfully I can not remember where I heard about the case initially, but what drew me was the fact of the 31 days and not reporting her child missing. There are so many cases that do not get media coverage, maybe if more were maybe they could be solved so much sooner.

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 11:21 AM
I don't know if this was discussed, but here goes:

My Mom just asked me about something Jane Cesarez (sp?) mentioned on tv I think yesterday. She said Baez was making googley eyes/flirting with someone up in the balcony during the day yesterday. Anyone know what that is about?No, but sure sounds like Baez. I don't know if I have anything recorded that might have it. I record a bunch of shows each day, and often don't watch any of them, and then delete them daily, or I could be parking my *** on this couch 24/7. Wow, this guy gathered the air samples. I heard the prosecution wants the jury to smell the decomposition from a can. :scared1:I wonder if anyone will throw up. :eek: My concern with them opening up a can is that it could be an OJ/glove moment. The prosecutors can't preview the smell (I don't think) because opening it prior to "the big smell test" will diminish the smell. So if they have a big dramatic "smell the smell" moment, and there's no, or very little, smell...then what? Reminds me of the old Discovery Toys game "Follow Your Nose" where there were little containers with smells and you had to guess what they were. Eventually, the smells disappear. But then again, I'm hoping these crime scene investigators are going on a little more than Discovery Toys did. :blush:I guess I was looking for how people got hooked on this case over other cases. People say it is because of all the wierd things Casey did, but I wondered how they knew about all those things unless they were hearing it on a network program or reading it on a site like Websleuths. Being local, I heard it every day, but I can't imagine that was the case in locations outside of Florida.

For me, it is just a curiosity thing. I was just trying to understand the initial draw to this case for so many over other cases.

In the end, I believe the media is the reason for this phenomana. I have the best answer I think I will get on this one. Thanks to all who answered.Yes, it was national. I'm in RI. The initial draw for the media and public was the bizarre nature from day one...911 call, 31 days, detached appearing mother, imaginary nanny, etc. i wonder.......

how many of us could pass the bar after this case LOLI've been a SAHM for most of the last 23 years. Youngest is 18; I told DH I'm going to get a job as a LAWYER after this! LOL

pigletgirl
06-04-2011, 11:22 AM
I actually first heard of it, on our news back in July of 2008. I have no clue how our newstation picked up on the story, but they did. Then, I remember getting sick and somehow watching Nancy Grace, and she had to story too...

From there, I've kept up with it, until now!

Promomx2
06-04-2011, 11:24 AM
I got hooked because of baby Caylee and that we just happened to be at WDW and in Maderia Beach during part of this time. Question: We're Caylee's remains found in a duffle bag or loose? I've heard both.

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 11:28 AM
I wonder if there have been other experiments of that smell that was put in a can and then later on if it was opened.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 11:29 AM
I cn't take credit for finding the "Judge Perry" Tweets. A poster on the other thread started posting them and then I started following him. If I could remember that poster's name I'd give them proper credit.

If he posts more I'll post them. :goodvibes

irishbosoxfan
06-04-2011, 11:36 AM
Baez actually asking some good questions in his attempt to discredit the air samples :eek:

EMom
06-04-2011, 11:49 AM
Yes I read that I probably just missed that it took hime 8 years. I dont think he should have ever been an attorney. He does not know how to conduct himself in or out of the courtroom.

Geez, it only takes THREE years to complete law school. So Baez could have gone to law school nearly three times over during the 8 years it took him to pass the bar exam. Come to think of it, he should have repeated law school. Seriously, if it takes you eight years to pass the bar exam, just take a hint and give the hell up.

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Geez, it only takes THREE years to complete law school. So Baez could have gone to law school nearly three times over during the 8 years it took him to pass the bar exam. Come to think of it, he should have repeated law school. Seriously, if it takes you eight years to pass the bar exam, just take a hint and give the hell up.


It took my SisIL 9 years to become an RN and failed her licensing exam 4 TIMES! I wouldn't let her come near me for anything medical with a 10-foot pole! :upsidedow

usnuzuloose
06-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Geez, it only takes THREE years to complete law school. So Baez could have gone to law school nearly three times over during the 8 years it took him to pass the bar exam. Come to think of it, he should have repeated law school. Seriously, if it takes you eight years to pass the bar exam, just take a hint and give the hell up.

I wonder how many objections he gave during school?:rolleyes1

dnoyes
06-04-2011, 11:55 AM
I guess I was looking for how people got hooked on this case over other cases. People say it is because of all the wierd things Casey did, but I wondered how they knew about all those things unless they were hearing it on a network program or reading it on a site like Websleuths. Being local, I heard it every day, but I can't imagine that was the case in locations outside of Florida.

For me, it is just a curiosity thing. I was just trying to understand the initial draw to this case for so many over other cases.

In the end, I believe the media is the reason for this phenomana. I have the best answer I think I will get on this one. Thanks to all who answered.

We checked in at SSR the day they found her body (Dec 11 I think?) and that's all they talked about on the news for the ten days we were there.

We have followed the case ever since. We live in Boise Id. btw

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 11:56 AM
Geez, it only takes THREE years to complete law school. So Baez could have gone to law school nearly three times over during the 8 years it took him to pass the bar exam. Come to think of it, he should have repeated law school. Seriously, if it takes you eight years to pass the bar exam, just take a hint and give the hell up.I don't think it took him 8 years to pass the bar...he has some other issues. From the article linked in the first post: For eight years after he graduated from law school, however, the board that screens prospective attorneys in Florida would not let him practice law. The Florida Supreme Court agreed with the decision, issuing an order in 2000 that cataloged unpaid bills, extravagant spending and other "financial irresponsibility" up to that time. Justices reserved their strongest condemnation for his failure to stay current on support payments for his only child.

His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law."

He worked instead as a paralegal for the Miami-Dade public defender and then taught Internet research to lawyers and started four business ventures, including two bikini companies. Before Florida Bar officials admitted him in 2005, he had to demonstrate that he had rehabilitated himself.

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 11:56 AM
Lee asked for permission to be in the courtroom even though he is a witness. Has anyone actually seen him there other than the day he testified? I haven't - just wondering.

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 11:58 AM
It took my SisIL 9 years to become an RN and failed her licensing exam 4 TIMES! I wouldn't let her come near me for anything medical with a 10-foot pole! :upsidedow:scared1: Please tell me she's not in RI!

EMom
06-04-2011, 11:59 AM
My concern with them opening up a can is that it could be an OJ/glove moment. The prosecutors can't preview the smell (I don't think) because opening it prior to "the big smell test" will diminish the smell. So if they have a big dramatic "smell the smell" moment, and there's no, or very little, smell...then what? Reminds me of the old Discovery Toys game "Follow Your Nose" where there were little containers with smells and you had to guess what they were. Eventually, the smells disappear.

What if they get a juror with a lousy sense of smell? I can smell things long before anyone else will, but DD could have skunk right under her nose and barely notice it. When she finally does smell some godawful smell, half the time she perceives it as a "nice" smell. She would be a nightmare if the state tried "stink in a can."

Kurby
06-04-2011, 12:00 PM
Geez, it only takes THREE years to complete law school. So Baez could have gone to law school nearly three times over during the 8 years it took him to pass the bar exam. Come to think of it, he should have repeated law school. Seriously, if it takes you eight years to pass the bar exam, just take a hint and give the hell up.

ya but does that mean he took it once a year for 8 years or 2 or 3 times?

jfk jr took it something like 3 or 4 times in 2 years and finally passed -

what if he was busy selling bikini's ;) and didn't have time to keep taking it

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 12:00 PM
:scared1: Please tell me she's not in RI!


LOL No, MI. Thankfully I now live 1000 miles away.

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Fake Judge -

https://si1.twimg.com/profile_images/1377897454/judge-belvin-perry-05-12-2011_normal.jpg
BelvinPerry (https://twitter.com/#!/BelvinPerry) Belvin Perry



FACTOID: After Saturday sessions, once everyone clears the court room I like to turn off all the lights and pretend I'm in Fraggle Rock.

sorcerormickey
06-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Fake Judge -

https://si1.twimg.com/profile_images/1377897454/judge-belvin-perry-05-12-2011_normal.jpg
BelvinPerry (https://twitter.com/#!/BelvinPerry) Belvin Perry



FACTOID: After Saturday sessions, once everyone clears the court room I like to turn off all the lights and pretend I'm in Fraggle Rock.

Dance your cares away! :cool1::cool1::cool1::cool1:

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 12:04 PM
What if they get a juror with a lousy sense of smell? I can smell things long before anyone else will, but DD could have skunk right under her nose and barely notice it. When she finally does smell some godawful smell, half the time she perceives it as a "nice" smell. She would be a nightmare if the state tried "stink in a can."Yeah, I'm thinking "Mmmm...that smells good!" wouldn't help things. LOL J/K I don't know. My DD's new DH seriously lost his sense of smell a couple of months ago and is only slowly getting it back. I'm guessing, like all evidence, each person will have to judge the value of it and all the other evidence, separately and combined. :confused3

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 12:06 PM
Fake Judge -

https://si1.twimg.com/profile_images/1377897454/judge-belvin-perry-05-12-2011_normal.jpg
BelvinPerry (https://twitter.com/#%21/BelvinPerry) Belvin Perry

FACTOID: After Saturday sessions, once everyone clears the court room I like to turn off all the lights and pretend I'm in Fraggle Rock.:rotfl2:

plutotek
06-04-2011, 12:31 PM
It's not uncommon for law school graduates to take the bar exam several times before passing, which is not necessarily a negative. At least in CA, it was a very difficult exam and a pass on the first attempt is an exception, not the norm. However, in this case, he was probably able to pass after numerous attempts because he'd memorized the questions. ;)

plutotek
06-04-2011, 12:34 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking "Mmmm...that smells good!" wouldn't help things. LOL J/K I don't know. My DD's new DH seriously lost his sense of smell a couple of months ago and is only slowly getting it back. I'm guessing, like all evidence, each person will have to judge the value of it and all the other evidence, separately and combined. :confused3

Had a friend that literally has NO sense of smell, and hasn't since birth. She's never enjoyed the aroma of a turkey cooking on Thanksgiving.....of course, she's also never had to suffer through those pockets of pollution generated by a dead skunk, either.

LisaR
06-04-2011, 12:35 PM
It's not uncommon for law school graduates to take the bar exam several times before passing, which is not necessarily a negative. At least in CA, it was a very difficult exam and a pass on the first attempt is an exception, not the norm. However, in this case, he was probably able to pass after numerous attempts because he'd memorized the questions. ;)

Yeah, in fairness to Baez, I have heard that many people don't pass on the first try. I remember reading in Hilary Clinton's book that she wanted to be a lawyer in NY but she flunked the bar. She went to visit Bill in Arkansas and took the exam there. She passed that one and took it as a sign that she should be with Bill. Had she passed the NY exam on the first try, history may have been very different for those two.

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 12:44 PM
But if you read the article, or at least the part I posted, it's not about not passing the bar exam. Here's one of the paragraphs: His overall behavior, they wrote, showed "a total lack of respect for the rights of others and a total lack of respect for the legal system, which is absolutely inconsistent with the character and fitness qualities required of those seeking to be afforded the highest position of trust and confidence recognized by our system of law." and Before Florida Bar officials admitted him in 2005, he had to demonstrate that he had rehabilitated himself.

chris1gill
06-04-2011, 12:46 PM
Just checking in... had so many errands, didn't get to see the case today.

Anyhow, I just want to point out, Bozo was not admitted to the bar DUE TO HIS BEHAVIOR AND LACK OF ETHICAL LEGAL STANDARDS. Not necessarily because he didn't pass the bar.

Instead, he'd defaulted on a student loan, didn't pay his child support, wrote a bad check and a host of other things were found by the board and they decided he wasn't worthy to practice law in their state..... If you go to the article from the Sentinel on page 1 you'll see all the reasons listed, it truly is great reading....

plutotek
06-04-2011, 01:07 PM
But if you read the article, or at least the part I posted, it's not about not passing the bar exam. Here's one of the paragraphs: and

You're right. Just because you pass the exam doesn't automatically admit you to the bar. Think of it as a professional organization w/membership requirements. Our 'hero' had other issues, which delayed his admission to the bar, and based on what we're seeing, caused any skills he may have had to atrophy. ;)

Uncle Remus
06-04-2011, 01:15 PM
You're right. Just because you pass the exam doesn't automatically admit you to the bar. Think of it as a professional organization w/membership requirements. Our 'hero' had other issues, which delayed his admission to the bar, and based on what we're seeing, caused any skills he may have had to atrophied. ;)


:lmao:

tweezybird
06-04-2011, 01:49 PM
I've been wondering what the significance is with the gas can?

lizanne
06-04-2011, 02:10 PM
subscribing

EMom
06-04-2011, 03:09 PM
When I was in law school, there was a guy in my class who was brilliant. He had been a good portion of the way through med school and abruptly changed to law school. We wondered why he would walk away without finishing med school. He did seem quite fond of money and in general, doctors will make more money than lawyers.

Then word got out that he had not quit med school, but had been kicked out. If memory serves, he was using his wizardry with chemicals to make/sell meth and other goodies. He wasn't much for delayed gratification. The obvious question became, how does he think he will be able to get a law license when he will never meet the ethical standards?

It seems that after the first year he was made aware that even if he passed law school and the bar, that license would be out of reach. He quit. Don't know what happened to him after that. He made us shake our collective heads.....smart enough to have gotten through med school and law school and he threw it all away.

Conservative Hippie
06-04-2011, 03:16 PM
My concern with them opening up a can is that it could be an OJ/glove moment. The prosecutors can't preview the smell (I don't think) because opening it prior to "the big smell test" will diminish the smell. So if they have a big dramatic "smell the smell" moment, and there's no, or very little, smell...then what?

What if they get a juror with a lousy sense of smell? I can smell things long before anyone else will, but DD could have skunk right under her nose and barely notice it. When she finally does smell some godawful smell, half the time she perceives it as a "nice" smell. She would be a nightmare if the state tried "stink in a can."

Both very good points. I have a lousy sense of smell due to horrible sinus infections and the overuse of nasal sprays. I have actually lost my sense of smell and taste twice, the longest was over a month. My best friend can tell if my son needs a diaper the moment she walks into the room but I have to pretty much have his bottom in my face! :scared:

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 05:00 PM
Video of an appearance by George, Cindy, Lee and Baez back in July 2008 on The Today Show. Interesting to see now.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

plutotek
06-04-2011, 05:50 PM
Video of an appearance by George, Cindy, Lee and Baez back in July 2008 on The Today Show. Interesting to see now.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

Gotta wonder if she was planning the molestation story way back then.

richmond282
06-04-2011, 06:08 PM
I'm not debating any of that. The issue to me is that not that the cases are different, but the way in which people found out about them.

I think I'm beating a dead horse here. It is just very interesting to me.

A question for those on this thead. How did you first hear of this case? I'm certain that many went to webslueths once the case became widely known, but where did you get the facts prior to this?

I first read abot the case here on DIS.

Nancy
06-04-2011, 07:16 PM
I first read abot the case here on DIS.


I had heard about it in passing..channel surfing and just caught bits and pieces. But I got really involved in it thanks to the original thread on the DIS. I even joined web sleuths back then.

Dr.Girlfriend
06-04-2011, 07:23 PM
I cn't take credit for finding the "Judge Perry" Tweets. A poster on the other thread started posting them and then I started following him. If I could remember that poster's name I'd give them proper credit.

If he posts more I'll post them. :goodvibes

::waves hi::

Perry and ZannyTheeNanny are cracking me up hardcore.

Dr.Girlfriend
06-04-2011, 07:26 PM
ZannyTheNanny
I know who #CaseyAnthony needs to blame. The TV. It sucks kids in it. Ever see Poltergeist? I rest my case.

ZannyTheNanny
Whenever Baez talks, I swear I hear that teacher from Charlie Brown. Wahwahwah, wahwahwahwah. #CaseyAnthohy


ZannyTheNanny
@********Madison @pattyanntwittin If the hair don't match, it might be from a snatch! #CaseyAnthony

ZannyTheNanny
Did you know I went to law school with Jose? True story. Hand to God. #CaseyAnthony

a1tinkfans
06-04-2011, 08:16 PM
Video of an appearance by George, Cindy, Lee and Baez back in July 2008 on The Today Show. Interesting to see now.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

Hmmmm..that was interesting to watch.
It did not sound like the attorney already "knew" caylee was dead, he said that the story would come out, BUT, he also said that she/caylee needs to be at home with her family and that is his focus (and the body was not yet found) ...so IF the baby drowned as they are now alleging the response seems off kilter to me.....and IF George took caylee to bury, then WHY wouldn't the attorney "know" the child is already dead and thus he could have said something different, not intimating that they are "looking for her" ....UNless, he had no idea yet that Casey was going to allege drowning and abuse. The abuse he is now using to garner sympathy to explain why casey is so distant, removed, carefree, non caring, selfish, awful, narcissistic, casual, lying , conniving (oops, appears I digress when I think of synonyms for casey :headache:)
anyhow, that interview is indeed very telling......good "spin: he is using now....we can only hope that the jury sees thru it all and does not get Bored, de-sensitized, sympathetic or "like" Baez, and not get a conviction ...the case has to be focused on that Murdered Child and theatrics, sidebars and personalities aside....a Just verdict will be rendered! My heart is so sad for those grandparents and brother, just awful....beyond words or explanation....:sad1:

Seahunt
06-04-2011, 09:18 PM
Wow. Thanks for that link. Enlightening in so many ways. :) Including the fact that I posted on it 23 times. ;)

LOL! I am the same, I don't remember posting all my posts there either :laughing:

Interesting though that there was only 1 hair

Would think there would be a few more - no?

I think the hair was all stuck to the duct tape. :guilty:

Is there a camera on Casey all the time? And if so, link?

I saw that another poster already gave you the link, but did you look at her really closely?

http://i53.tinypic.com/52mna8.jpg

:rotfl:

I don't know if this was discussed, but here goes:

My Mom just asked me about something Jane Cesarez (sp?) mentioned on tv I think yesterday. She said Baez was making googley eyes/flirting with someone up in the balcony during the day yesterday. Anyone know what that is about?

Geraldo?

LOL at the thought of Baez flirting and making googly eyes at Geraldo in the balcony :lmao:

i live in canada - so we don't get americal news (except buffalo). anything we get must make it's way to the national news and they are the ones who deem it news worthy or worth reapeating over and over.

i never heard of web****hs before and still haven't gone onto that site.


There are many Canadian cases over there on WS that you might like to view and comment on. They like people to read through the missing persons cases with "fresh eyes" to see if anything stands out that should be mentioned, though they are so good there (and here!) that I usually think of something that has already been asked and answered long ago :cutie:

i wonder.......

how many of us could pass the bar after this case LOL

I can almost 100% bet that Casey thinks she could :rotfl2:

Seahunt
06-04-2011, 09:21 PM
I wonder if there have been other experiments of that smell that was put in a can and then later on if it was opened.

Hopefully it will be the same as what Dr Vass said he smelled pre-trial (and need to keep in mind he has smelled many dead bodies):

Dr. Arpad Vass of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee discussed his reaction to opening a can containing a carpet sample from Anthony’s car.

“First I jumped back about two feet,” Vass said.

Anthony looked up from her notes and quickly gazed at Vass.

“It was, to me, the smell of human decomposition,” Vass continued.

WFTV’s Kathi Belich called it “a bombshell that got even Casey’s attention.”

WESH -Channel 2’s Amanda Ober replayed the scene in the station’s 4 p.m. newscast. “Vass said over his career he’s personally overseen studies on at least 50 decomposing bodies and is intimately familiar with the unique odor,” Ober reported.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Ober also highlighted Vass’ testimony that chloroform detected in the trunk carpet was 10,000 times greater than what would found in a controlled sample.

“As an attorney that had a powerful effect on me,” WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said. “That’s going to have even a greater effect on a juror when they hear that.”

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-what-was-most-memorable-moment-of-day.html/comment-page-1

Kurby
06-04-2011, 09:32 PM
i think they would be taking a HUGE risk opening a can of "smell"

what happenes if after 3 years the smell is gone - or not as powerful or not the same and just smells like bad food or something.

it's never been done before - are they really sure they want to be the first??

Belle0101
06-04-2011, 09:50 PM
::waves hi::

Perry and ZannyTheeNanny are cracking me up hardcore.

Glad you saw my post. :thumbsup2 I don't like to credit for what isn't mine to take.


ZannyTheNanny
I know who #CaseyAnthony needs to blame. The TV. It sucks kids in it. Ever see Poltergeist? I rest my case.

ZannyTheNanny
Whenever Baez talks, I swear I hear that teacher from Charlie Brown. Wahwahwah, wahwahwahwah. #CaseyAnthohy


ZannyTheNanny
@********Madison @pattyanntwittin If the hair don't match, it might be from a snatch! #CaseyAnthony

ZannyTheNanny
Did you know I went to law school with Jose? True story. Hand to God. #CaseyAnthony

:lmao::lmao:

Now I'll have to follow ZannyTheNanny too!!

Thanks!! :goodvibes

MaryAnnDVC
06-04-2011, 10:36 PM
ZannyTheNanny
Did you know I went to law school with Jose? True story. Hand to God. #CaseyAnthony:lmao:

muffyn
06-04-2011, 10:38 PM
“It was, to me, the smell of human decomposition,” Vass continued.




now you all recall the urban legend
there was a guy....... who wanted to sell this great car for cheap
but no one would buy it 'cause someone died in it.

remember the mythbusters did a show on that. put in a pig that eventually exploded.
they could NOT get rid of the smell. it even went into the metal.
btw, has there been any thoughts to how long caylee;s body was actually left in the trunk before she dumped it?

oh did you guys catch geraldo tonight? they had the bounty hunter who put up casey's bail.. he said, the cops were listening to casey & baez(?) & leaked info to the girlfriend of the meter reader of where to find the body. they said there were NO meters to read in that area,,, so why was he there.

wasn't gonna bother with geraldo, since he keeps insisting there will be a mistrial because of the miranda right stuff.. but he had some other interesting people on.

Nancy
06-04-2011, 11:10 PM
I only believe about .01% of what that bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla???, says. I don't even know WHY the media gives him the time of day. He was on yesterday and he was hacking away and most of what he says I think he makes up as he goes along just like the person does that he is talking about.

Seahunt
06-04-2011, 11:45 PM
Check out the different Zanny stories, when it became Jay Blanchard park instead of Sawgrass - torismom003 pointed these out :sad2::

Lee Anthony Deposition in the Civil Case against Casey Anthony
Feb. 27, 2009
Beginning on page 89

Lee: Casey said that she dropped--or she went with Caylee to, to Jay Blanchard Park and she met up with, you know, Zenaida there, 'cause that's where, you know, she told her to meet, you know, to, to get Caylee for the day and Zenaida was there, as well as Zenaida's sister, which I can't remember her name right now, and her two--

Q: But she told you--

Lee: --daughters.

Q: Okay. So--but she told--

Lee: or children.

Q: And Casey told you this?

Lee: Yes.

Q: When?

Lee: When she was out of jail. So if August is right the first time she was out of jail, it was that--during that time.

Q: Okay. Did that story ever change?

Lee: Since that time, no. It's a different story that she gave the police on when she was arrested 'cause she was--told Sawgrass Apartments when she was arrested.

Q: Did you--let me ask you this. What did she tell the police about the last--when she dropped--

Lee: She told police--well, she originally said--I think she said the 9th, but she was wrong on the date--we already talked about that--because my mom had her date wrong it was really the 16th, but--of, of June. But she told the police that she gave Caylee to Zenaida at the bottom of the steps of her apartment at the Sawgrass Apartment.

Q: Why, why do you call it her apartment?

Lee: Zenaida's apartment.

Q: Okay. She told you that Zenaida lived--and she--

Lee: She told the police--this was the story to the police, which she's later said that--I mean, she's gone on record saying that, yeah, I lied to you about that.

Q: Yeah, yeah.

Lee: So--

Q: But the initial story was Zenaida lived at Sawgrass.

Lee: Right.

Q: She took Caylee there--

Lee: Yes.

Q: --dropped her off. And where, where was she going that day? Why did she drop her off?

Lee: She claimed work but--

~skipped to page 93~

Q: Now, let me-- let me--all right. She tells the police she goes to Sawgrass. Then she gets with you after she gets out of jail and she says, look, here's what--here's what really happened.

Lee: Yeah.

Q: What really happened was I went to Blanchard Park. Yes?

Lee: Yes.

Q: I went to Blanchard Park. I met Zenaida Gonzalez there.

Lee: Yes.

Q: She was there with her sister--

Lee: Yes.

Q: and her two children?

Lee: yes.

Q: And I dropped her off--I dropped Caylee off and everything was fine?

Lee: No

Q: No?

Lee: When she--when she came to Blanchard and saw--and saw them--

Q: Have you given this statement to the police, what you're telling me now?

Lee: I don't know.

Q: Okay. Go ahead.

Lee: I don't know. I don't think so.

Q: Okay. It;s the--well, the truth is the truth.

Lee: Either way.

Q: The truth is the truth.

Lee: Right, exactly. Casey said that she was--that she sat down on a bench with Zenaida kindof watching the kids play and whatnot. Zenaida and Casey--like Zenaida and Casey were kind of in a conversation at one point. And she remembers Zenaida grabbing Casey's arm, like forcefully, almost to kind of--like kind of hold her down in a way. And that's when she told her, you know, I'm going to take Caylee from you. You know, I will give her back to you. You can--I will give her back to you but, you know, you need to--you know, you need to follow my instructions. And that's where she made her--you know, her threat that, you know, if you go to the police, I will--you know,I will hurt, you know, your parents, I'll hurt your brother, I'll hurt, you know Caylee. I'll--you know, I'll do whatever. Don't--you know, don't do that. And it was at that point when--you know, and Casey saw whomever the sister, whatever her name was, with the kids walking over--you know, briskly walking over to where their vehicle was parked to leave. And then from that point, then you know, Zenaida left also, but--

Q: Okay. And did Casey tell you why Zenaida was taking her and--

Lee: Well, she just said to, to teach her a lesson.

Q: What lesson?

Lee: I don't know what that lesson is. I don't know. I don't think she--if that was ever relayed to my sister, she never relayed that to me.

Q: Did she tell you then why she told the police a different story than the truth she was now telling you?

Lee: She thought that if she would tell the police something else, that she was still following the, the--what she was told not to do from Zenaida from this whole Timer55 thing about not, not telling the police. That, that you're going to get Caylee back. If you listen to my instructions, no one's going to get hurt. You'll get her back. So she's still, you know--

Q: So the--so the reason she lied to the policce, your understanding, because she feared for Caylee's life, yes?

Lee: Yes.

Q: You life?

Lee: Yes.

Q: Her life?

Lee: Yes.

Q: Your mom and dad's life?

Lee: Yes.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19734530/detail.html

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Casey Anthony Jailhouse Letters to Robyn aka Cookie
page 10

"You want to know something, I know that Caylee's nanny, the "real" Zenaida, the girl who was my friend for 4 years, I know in my heart that she's not responsible. And I don't blame her for not showing her face. Would you want to be sitting here with me for something you didn't do? Considering the circumstances, you technically are and it sucks. And I know this goes without saying, but outside of myself and my legal team, not a soul knows this. I was going to take Caylee and move away. Unfortunately my plans got beyond tangled when Zany wouldn't tell me where she and Cays were. I had asked her to take Cays for a few days so I could put the rest of our stuff together, money I had saved, new clothes, new everything. That's why I waited to report her missing, because she was and wasn't. I would give anything to go back to that day and to not have let Caylee out of my sight."

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/23069597/detail.html
*************************
George Anthony's FBI interview 7/31/08

Part 3 of 4 starting at 8:55.

"I'm not sure if my wife told you or not. Jay Blanchard Park in Orlando has come up. And supposedly this is a scenerio that Jesse he held my daughter down when someone grabbed my grand daughter. Jay Blanchard Park comes up again. I don't know, I don't know. Do I want to go out there and look and watch, sure. And the Zenaida thing came up. Zenaida supposedly was there with Caylee and Casey. Zenaida held my daughter down and you know her sister Samantha took my grand daughter and left with her. I don't know. This is all just speculation. Names thrown out there. Again what it boils down to is my daughter knows what's going on and she's not saying a word. It boils down to all of that. We keep on going round and round and still the center is right there and it's just frustrating."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XChDuqhbJeQ&feature=player_embedded#at=12
***********************
********************
Rob Dick Interview Part 1

Talking about being in the car with Casey and her asking him about finding Zenaida.

@7:14

Rob: That's when she started with the Blanchard Park story about the change which I had already heard from Leonard (Padilla) and Cindy, you know that changed to, she went to Blanchard Park, went to uh meet Zenaida, Samantha, Samantha's two kids, Caylee's playing with the kids, she's talking to Zenaida and then all of a sudden she see's Caylee and the kids all get into Samantha's car and she said well wait a minute hey what's going on. Caylee, why's Caylee leaving? And uh Zenaida says because we're taking her, holds her back and you're going to say this for the next 30 days. Well, say what? Well she gave me a piece of paper of all these things I'm supposed to say. Well where is that? Oh, I don't have it. Ok, well tell me more about the incident, more about Zenaida. Well, you know is she married? No. She have any kids? No. Well Samantha. Well, I don't know Samantha's last name, I don't think it's the same as Zenaida's. I mean just, she's feeding into this new story that I mean I personally feel is not true, you know. I mean obviously I don't think these people exist. I believe that she's taking pieces of things and putting it together to form this lie. But that's my own thing.
***************
Ugh. :sad2:
I wonder if it could be Casey changed her story location to Jay Blanchard park because of all the local news reports that the 6/10/2008 Nicole Ganguzza murder there was getting. (Nicole Ganguzza was from NJ, was attending grad school at UCF for family counseling, and was strangled in Blanchard Park after going there to jog).

After all, it was close to the first date Casey used for Caylee being missing, and the news was full of the "Blanchard Park murder". Maybe she realized the Sawgrass story wasn't working out so well :confused:

Seahunt
06-05-2011, 12:32 AM
One thing I wonder about that one of you may know--does anybody know who Caylee's father is? I read that her boyfriend Jesse Gund (or is it Grund?) took a paternity test and it wasn't him. I believe I read somewhere that her father and brother were also ruled out.

I wonder if Casey herself even knows.

Click on this link - I always was impressed by this particular photo comparison someone had questioned as a "could it be"?

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s336/starshineinca/caylee.jpg

:surfweb:

Wadecool
06-05-2011, 01:08 AM
Has anyone else heard the theories of the bounty hunter Leonard Padilla? He says that Casey would regularly drug Caylee with Xanex pills so that she could go out partying. He says that when Casey ran out of Xanex, she researched how to make chloroform (which was found on the computer hard drive, btw) and accidentally killed Caylee by giving her too much chloroform. Now follow my logic here: "Zannies" is a street name for Xanex, and apparently Casey conjured this nanny up out of thin air. It just sounds eerily possible that Casey used "Zannies" (Xanex) as a nanny for Caylee while she partied and then just comes up with Zanny as the name for the fictitious nanny. Could this all be more than a coincidence?

Ambercakes
06-05-2011, 01:39 AM
I seen that too about the meter reader knowing where Caylee was due to his girlfriend telling him, I think it was his girlfriend, but she supposedly heard Casey talking with her lawyer or someone and told the meter reader. That guy and his girlfriend wanted either to be known that they found the body or the reward money! Some people!

Ambercakes
06-05-2011, 01:43 AM
Has anyone else heard the theories of the bounty hunter Leonard Padilla? He says that Casey would regularly drug Caylee with Xanex pills so that she could go out partying. He says that when Casey ran out of Xanex, she researched how to make chloroform (which was found on the computer hard drive, btw) and accidentally killed Caylee by giving her too much chloroform. Now follow my logic here: "Zannies" is a street name for Xanex, and apparently Casey conjured this nanny up out of thin air. It just sounds eerily possible that Casey used "Zannies" (Xanex) as a nanny for Caylee while she partied and then just comes up with Zanny as the name for the fictitious nanny. Could this all be more than a coincidence?

That just sounds all too eery! But seems like it was true! She accidentally gave her too much chloroform and killed her and I think the father knows more about it too along with helping her dispose of the body! He was a cop so he knows what's up!

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 07:25 AM
I only believe about .01% of what that bounty hunter, Leonard Padilla???, says. I don't even know WHY the media gives him the time of day.I have no idea. What are his qualifications, IF ANY? What irks me is when they ask him any questions beyond what he may have actually observed, or what one of his people observed. Like his ideas on theories or legal issues. Who cares what he has to say??
Ugh. :sad2:
I wonder if it could be Casey changed her story location to Jay Blanchard park because of all the local news reports that the 6/10/2008 Nicole Ganguzza murder there was getting. (Nicole Ganguzza was from NJ, was attending grad school at UCF for family counseling, and was strangled in Blanchard Park after going there to jog).

After all, it was close to the first date Casey used for Caylee being missing, and the news was full of the "Blanchard Park murder". Maybe she realized the Sawgrass story wasn't working out so well :confused:Thanks for posting that. (Who is torinsmom003?) Didn't want to quote it all! I have to wonder...since Casey seems to pull from something she knows to spin her stories...if there's some truth to the "holding her down" story. Except that it was her doing it to Caylee. Even the drowning story I can believe...except for George being involved. Sort of like in the movie "Psycho" (just sayin' :rolleyes1) where Anthony Perkins' character's mother is yelling at him; the drowning happened, and in her head, Casey is hearing George say those things. Or, she knowingly spun the story based on what she felt she knew George would say.

I hate to say this, but I'm finding Casey crazier and crazier, and I wonder if all this craziness is going to sway the jury into deciding "not guilty."Click on this link - I always was impressed by this particular photo comparison someone had questioned as a "could it be"?

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s336/starshineinca/caylee.jpg

:surfweb:Oh. My. Goodness. ???????? But who is that?? (Should I know this??)Has anyone else heard the theories of the bounty hunter Leonard Padilla? He says that Casey would regularly drug Caylee with Xanex pills so that she could go out partying. Yes, we have. Lots of discussion about that, since Caylee went missing. For more info, you can search this or the previous thread, or the one from 2008. I seen that too about the meter reader Welcome to the DIS. :goodvibes

LisaR
06-05-2011, 07:57 AM
Has anyone else heard the theories of the bounty hunter Leonard Padilla? He says that Casey would regularly drug Caylee with Xanex pills so that she could go out partying. He says that when Casey ran out of Xanex, she researched how to make chloroform (which was found on the computer hard drive, btw) and accidentally killed Caylee by giving her too much chloroform. Now follow my logic here: "Zannies" is a street name for Xanex, and apparently Casey conjured this nanny up out of thin air. It just sounds eerily possible that Casey used "Zannies" (Xanex) as a nanny for Caylee while she partied and then just comes up with Zanny as the name for the fictitious nanny. Could this all be more than a coincidence?

I don't buy it for multiple reasons:

1. I don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Padilla.

2. Where was Casey leaving Caylee after drugging her? In her car at a nightclub? I can't believe nobody noticed a passed out little body in a car. In the trunk? I think Caylee would have been scared if she was being locked in a trunk regularly and wouldn't have been the incredibly happy girl that we have seen pictures and videos of. In one of her friend's apartments? I think most of these people can't stand Casey now and one would have come clean and said what they suspected Casey was doing to Caylee.

3. It would take a lot of Xanax to knock someone out for most of the night. I know Caylee was just a baby but still, she would have to have the right dosage to keep her out like a light or she risked Caylee wandering out of the car or apartment in a drug induced fog. Xanax can make someone tired but it isn't a sleeping pill.

4. George and Cindy spent more time with Caylee than anyone. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't notice their granddaughter was under the influence a good deal of the time.

5. Casey didn't pull the name Zanny out of thin air. Zanaida went to the same apartment complex Casey went to with her boyfriend to look for a place to live. Zanaida filled out an information card and that is where Casey came up with the name.

Obviously, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong. I doubt we will ever get the real truth anyway.

joviroxx
06-05-2011, 08:05 AM
Obviously, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong. I doubt we will ever get the real truth anyway.

If there is anything at all, in this entire mess, that I believe 100%, its the bolded. The only person knows the whole story is completely incapable of telling the truth, so we will never really know.

In the words of Judge Strickland (the first judge on the case) at the time he set her bond...."Not a bit of useful information has been provided by Ms. Anthony as to the whereabouts of her daughter, And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers."

kidshop
06-05-2011, 08:26 AM
I don't buy it for multiple reasons:

1. I don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Padilla.

2. Where was Casey leaving Caylee after drugging her? In her car at a nightclub? I can't believe nobody noticed a passed out little body in a car. In the trunk? I think Caylee would have been scared if she was being locked in a trunk regularly and wouldn't have been the incredibly happy girl that we have seen pictures and videos of. In one of her friend's apartments? I think most of these people can't stand Casey now and one would have come clean and said what they suspected Casey was doing to Caylee.

3. It would take a lot of Xanax to knock someone out for most of the night. I know Caylee was just a baby but still, she would have to have the right dosage to keep her out like a light or she risked Caylee wandering out of the car or apartment in a drug induced fog. Xanax can make someone tired but it isn't a sleeping pill.

4. George and Cindy spent more time with Caylee than anyone. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't notice their granddaughter was under the influence a good deal of the time.

5. Casey didn't pull the name Zanny out of thin air. Zanaida went to the same apartment complex Casey went to with her boyfriend to look for a place to live. Zanaida filled out an information card and that is where Casey came up with the name.

Obviously, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong. I doubt we will ever get the real truth anyway.

Cindy testified that Casey had talked about Zanny (not Zenaida) for 2 years.

joviroxx
06-05-2011, 08:50 AM
Cindy testified that Casey had talked about Zanny (not Zenaida) for 2 years.

This is my opinion only. .... I think she spoke about Zanny but didn't come up with a full name, Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez until she saw it on the guest list.

Wadecool
06-05-2011, 08:55 AM
I don't buy it for multiple reasons:

1. I don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Padilla.

2. Where was Casey leaving Caylee after drugging her? In her car at a nightclub? I can't believe nobody noticed a passed out little body in a car. In the trunk? I think Caylee would have been scared if she was being locked in a trunk regularly and wouldn't have been the incredibly happy girl that we have seen pictures and videos of. In one of her friend's apartments? I think most of these people can't stand Casey now and one would have come clean and said what they suspected Casey was doing to Caylee.

3. It would take a lot of Xanax to knock someone out for most of the night. I know Caylee was just a baby but still, she would have to have the right dosage to keep her out like a light or she risked Caylee wandering out of the
car or apartment in a drug induced fog. Xanax can make someone tired but it
isn't a sleeping pill.

4. George and Cindy spent more time with Caylee than anyone. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't notice their granddaughter was under the influence a good deal of the time.

5. Casey didn't pull the name Zanny out of thin air. Zanaida went to the same apartment complex Casey went to with her boyfriend to look for a place to live. Zanaida filled out an information card and that is where Casey came up with the name.

Obviously, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong. I doubt we will ever get the real truth anyway.

You make some excellent points and as you point out we are all just throwing darts here anyway. The only person who knows what went down will likely take the truth with her to the lethal injection table (hopefully). While I do think that Padilla is doing a lot of self promotion here, he was inside the Anthony home during height of the storm, so I think he does have some relevant insight into Casey's behavior. How much, I have no idea. I also agree that if Caylee was being drugged, Casey would have had to stash her somewhere other than inside the car. Orlando in June is HOT, so if she left Caylee drugged in the car, it would have needed to be left running with the a/c on, and that would have drawn too much attention.

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 09:23 AM
Cindy testified that Casey had talked about Zanny (not Zenaida) for 2 years.It's so hard to know what to believe about any of them. Maybe she was using Xanax on Caylee and calling it "Zanny the nanny." It certainly wouldn't surprise me. Doesn't mean she was keeping her drugged, or that anyone would necessarily see signs. Or, they did see signs that they didn't realize, hindsight being 20/20.

Didn't friends claim that Caylee could sleep through parties? But then again...I've been surprised at times what my kids have slept through. The night before DD's christening, we hung pictures in her room, hammering nails into a wall, while she slept. :confused3 (No drugs involved!)

I've taken Ativan. While one will help me sleep, two will make me groggy the next day. There's a huge difference. Same thing with Sominex...if I ever take it, I take half of one, and I'm fine the next day...a whole one, very groggy. If Casey gave Caylee "a little" Xanax to get her to sleep, it doesn't necessarily mean she'd be drugged and groggy the next day.

I think Cindy was watching Caylee when Casey was telling her friends that Caylee was with the nanny, and that Caylee was with Casey at friends' houses when she was telling Cindy she was at work. I don't believe that Caylee was drugged and in the trunk, ever, except perhaps that last day. :( It seems like all of her friends were recent (in 2008). I can't help thinking that Casey found this new life with all these new friends, was going out more, wanted her mother to watch Caylee more, there was increasing conflict, and then...what happened happened.

I'm reading through the thread that Seahunt started back in 2008. I was just reading the transcript of the 911 call about the dead body in the car, when George walked in and defense is saying all he said is "what?", and that he wasn't yelling. At one point, Cindy says something inaudible, and then says "I'm on the phone with them." So obviously, George asked a question, or stated she should call 911, and we didn't hear that. So we CAN'T hear everything anyone said there. Just sayin'.

Kurby
06-05-2011, 09:43 AM
ya but all this "drugging" her for 2 years - she was only 2 1/2 years old.

why would she need to drug a 6 month old?

plus all she had to do was tell her parents she had to work and BOOM instant babysitters.

i honestly dont see why she would need to take her and drug her to go out and party. her parent were always there to watch her and her made up job made it so easy

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 10:15 AM
ya but all this "drugging" her for 2 years - she was only 2 1/2 years old.

why would she need to drug a 6 month old?

plus all she had to do was tell her parents she had to work and BOOM instant babysitters.

i honestly dont see why she would need to take her and drug her to go out and party. her parent were always there to watch her and her made up job made it so easyCaylee was almost 3 when she was killed. Casey said it had been about a year and a half that she had used "Zanny the Nanny" and offhand, I'm not sure Cindy would know exactly when Casey claimed she had a nanny named Zanny. So, if there's any truth to anything Casey says, Caylee could have been about 18 months old.

Why would any "normal" person drug a child? They wouldn't. Someone like Casey? Keep her sleepy when she needed to.

Her parents weren't always there to watch her. :confused3 They both worked, if not consistently. I'm expecting a grandchild, and I'll be a wonderful grandmother :) but I wouldn't be tying up my life so my DD could be going out all the time. I don't think it was as simple as Casey saying "I have to work" and voila! George and Cindy could/would watch her. And again, it sounded like as time went on, Casey was away from home more and more. I'm guessing they had some fights about that, and those alleged arguments about Casey not being a fit mother.

Wadecool
06-05-2011, 10:29 AM
Caylee was almost 3 when she was killed. Casey said it had been about a year and a half that she had used "Zanny the Nanny" and offhand, I'm not sure Cindy would know exactly when Casey claimed she had a nanny named Zanny. So, if there's any truth to anything Casey says, Caylee could have been about 18 months old.

Why would any "normal" person drug a child? They wouldn't. Someone like Casey? Keep her sleepy when she needed to.

Her parents weren't always there to watch her. :confused3 They both worked, if not consistently. I'm expecting a grandchild, and I'll be a wonderful grandmother :) but I wouldn't be tying up my life so my DD could be going out all the time. I don't think it was as simple as Casey saying "I have to work" and voila! George and Cindy could/would watch her. And again, it sounded like as time went on, Casey was away from home more and more. I'm guessing they had some fights about that, and those alleged arguments about Casey not being a fit mother.

Let's face it, if there ever was a real person named "Zanny the nanny" the detectives would have found her. So if Casey had been telling her mom that Zanny had been watching Caylee for as long as she claimed, my money's on Xanex pills being "Zanny".
There are just too many pieces to this puzzle that point to Casey being the killer in my mind: research on how to make chloroform on the computer, her continual lying to her parents and the cops about where Caylee really was (since the nanny didn't exist), its all just too much.

My question of the week though is this: If Jose Baez is really going with the defense of Caylee accidentally drowning in the pool, George finding her and disposing of the body, why is he trying so hard to discredit all the evidence from the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire? With his defense that he claimed in his opening statement, George would have used Casey's car to get rid of the body and that's how the hair and the smell would have gotten there. I'm not thinking Baez is the smartest guy out there.

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 11:07 AM
Let's face it, if there ever was a real person named "Zanny the nanny" the detectives would have found her. So if Casey had been telling her mom that Zanny had been watching Caylee for as long as she claimed, my money's on Xanex pills being "Zanny".
There are just too many pieces to this puzzle that point to Casey being the killer in my mind: research on how to make chloroform on the computer, her continual lying to her parents and the cops about where Caylee really was (since the nanny didn't exist), its all just too much.

My question of the week though is this: If Jose Baez is really going with the defense of Caylee accidentally drowning in the pool, George finding her and disposing of the body, why is he trying so hard to discredit all the evidence from the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire? With his defense that he claimed in his opening statement, George would have used Casey's car to get rid of the body and that's how the hair and the smell would have gotten there. I'm not thinking Baez is the smartest guy out there.It's been pretty well established as fact that there is no actual nanny, Zanny or otherwise. I agree that there had probably been Xanax involved. I don't agree with others' assessment of Casey drugging her on a regular basis, or that it would be obvious that Caylee was drugged, nor that Caylee was necessarily left somewhere. I'm not sure if we have much of an idea how much actual partying Casey even did BEFORE June 16/17. We see pictures of her partying like crazy after that, but before that, who knows.

Lord only knows where Baez is going to end up with his story about what happened that day. He left it very open ended in his opening statement. He doesn't say what happens next after Casey cradled her dead daughter in her arms crying (:rolleyes: ), and then covered up with her happy face and lying, as she learned to do from her family, does he? Did he ever mention who was responsible for getting rid of the body, or is that where Roy Kronk comes in? Honestly, I think he's waiting to see how things play out with the prosecution's case, and then he'll pick and choose what he thinks works best. On The View, Chris Cuomo (ABC News Chief Legal Reporter) said that the defense claims that George FORCED his daughter to bury Caylee. Was that EVER claimed, anywhere? Or is Chris Cuomo pulling that one out of his ptootie?

joviroxx
06-05-2011, 11:07 AM
My question of the week though is this: If Jose Baez is really going with the defense of Caylee accidentally drowning in the pool, George finding her and disposing of the body, why is he trying so hard to discredit all the evidence from the trunk of the Pontiac Sunfire? With his defense that he claimed in his opening statement, George would have used Casey's car to get rid of the body and that's how the hair and the smell would have gotten there. I'm not thinking Baez is the smartest guy out there.

Ive asked this same question. Its a schizophrenic defense! The little girl died accidently or so they claim. So why fight the evidence that she dies? I don't get it and I think it will be what kills the defense. They need to stick with a defense and explain the evidence to fit it otherwise, its just throwing things to see what sticks.

Same thing with Kronk, etc. If it was an accident and George helped to hide it all, then, really, who cares about Kronk?

Kurby
06-05-2011, 11:17 AM
i didn't see the opening until 2 days ago on some show - they showed a clip that had dippy saying something like

she learned to lie after having her fathers ***** in her mouth one minute then going to school the next.

i was like :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: :scared1: did he really open with THAT???????

i haven't seen a lot of trials but i've never heard of a defence team opening with that kind of statement - they usually say something like - we'll show why this behavour happened or something along those lines but they don't come right out and say it in opening.

PLUS.

i don't care if he did do that -THAT is not a defense to murder your own child years and years later - kill your father ok i can see it but not your child.

not to mention he's now locked himself into that stupid defence that has been questioned within the first 7 days of the trial

joviroxx
06-05-2011, 11:30 AM
Honestly, I think he's waiting to see how things play out with the prosecution's case, and then he'll pick and choose what he thinks works best. On The View, Chris Cuomo (ABC News Chief Legal Reporter) said that the defense claims that George FORCED his daughter to bury Caylee. Was that EVER claimed, anywhere? Or is Chris Cuomo pulling that one out of his ptootie?
Well, right now to me, they look like a desperate defense. Like they can barely breathe after being hit in the solar plexus! I think the prosecution is doing an amazing job laying it all out. Step by step, layer by layer. Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashtons experience is showing and I find myself enthralled watching them.

I also wonder when the defense made the decision that Baez cross examine the experts. I thought that was why Dorothy Sims was brought aboard as that was her expertise. She did all the questioning of experts during the pre trial hearings.

Tomorrow is Dr Vass. Not sure who might have seen him testify during the Frye hearings. He is this science geek who loves what he does and is fascinated by science. I loved him! I usually find some of these scientist to be a little out there but I really enjoyed his testimony. Really looking forward to seeing him on the stand tomorrow.

Wadecool
06-05-2011, 11:31 AM
It's been pretty well established as fact that there is no actual nanny, Zanny or otherwise. I agree that there had probably been Xanax involved. I don't agree with others' assessment of Casey drugging her on a regular basis, or that it would be obvious that Caylee was drugged, nor that Caylee was necessarily left somewhere. I'm not sure if we have much of an idea how much actual partying Casey even did BEFORE June 16/17. We see pictures of her partying like crazy after that, but before that, who knows.

Lord only knows where Baez is going to end up with his story about what happened that day. He left it very open ended in his opening statement. He doesn't say what happens next after Casey cradled her dead daughter in her arms crying (:rolleyes: ), and then covered up with her happy face and lying, as she learned to do from her family, does he? Did he ever mention who was responsible for getting rid of the body, or is that where Roy Kronk comes in? Honestly, I think he's waiting to see how things play out with the prosecution's case, and then he'll pick and choose what he thinks works best. On The View, Chris Cuomo (ABC News Chief Legal Reporter) said that the defense claims that George FORCED his daughter to bury Caylee. Was that EVER claimed, anywhere? Or is Chris Cuomo pulling that one out of his ptootie?

I have been watching way too much of the legal analysis of this trial and I haven't heard anyone saying anything about George forcing Casey to bury Caylee. The truth of what really happened with Caylee is so totally unknown as well as where Baez is ultimately going with their defense, that I think some of these legal experts are just firing off scenarios blindly hoping that if their's is the right one, then they'll look smart.

I agree with you that Baez is trying wait and see what the prosecution finishes with before he goes with a final plan of action. Most of the experts I've heard so far all agree that because of the sexual allegations Baez made against George in his opening statement, Casey is probably going to have to take the stand to back it up. That would be the only way that the defense could get it out for the jury to hear about it. Believe me, if Casey does take the stand, I'm taking that day off from work because that tough prosecuting attorney will rip her to shreds on cross examination.

richmond282
06-05-2011, 11:52 AM
Click on this link - I always was impressed by this particular photo comparison someone had questioned as a "could it be"?

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s336/starshineinca/caylee.jpg

:surfweb:

Who is that??

I don't really understand how the defense is going to say that George disposed of the body and still explain the smell. That body had to have been in the trunk for longer than it would have taken to just drive to the dump site straight from the house. I can't imagine George (even if I thought he helped) leaving a body in the trunk for several days. He also would not have brought that car home from the tow company if he knew what the smell was because he supposedly disposed of the body.

I'm certainly not in the camp that Casey is innocent, but I haven't decided whether I think it was premeditated or not. She doesn't seem like the type to plan things in advance, but then there were the computer searches. There was also the flurry of calls to Cindy on the 16th around 4 pm. It makes me wnoder if Casey had done something stupid and was tryin to get in touch with mom to come "fix" it.

Kurby
06-05-2011, 11:58 AM
just from what i've heard and her lifestyle i am in the "spir of the moment" camp.

i really don't think it was premeditated

i think ssomething happened to piss her off and it got out of hand.

though i am wondering about the cloriform and maybe that's what happened. maybe she had used it in the past to keep caylee quiet but gave her too much this time.

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 12:47 PM
Well, right now to me, they look like a desperate defense. Like they can barely breathe after being hit in the solar plexus! I think the prosecution is doing an amazing job laying it all out. Step by step, layer by layer. Linda Drane Burdick and Jeff Ashtons experience is showing and I find myself enthralled watching them.

I also wonder when the defense made the decision that Baez cross examine the experts. I thought that was why Dorothy Sims was brought aboard as that was her expertise. She did all the questioning of experts during the pre trial hearings.

Tomorrow is Dr Vass. Not sure who might have seen him testify during the Frye hearings. He is this science geek who loves what he does and is fascinated by science. I loved him! I usually find some of these scientist to be a little out there but I really enjoyed his testimony. Really looking forward to seeing him on the stand tomorrow.I love watching the prosecutors too. They're so capable and on track. Altho, I do have to say, I wish Burdick wouldn't get impatient with witnesses. She scares me. :laughing: I'd have a lump in my throat if she snapped at me. ;) But at least it come off as impatient (IMHO) and not accusatory and whiney like Bozo and Mason.

Maybe the defense team feels like they need big man voices to attack the experts, and not the cooing Simms lady. I don't think I ever watched pre-trial hearings, so I don't know what she may otherwise be like. And I have this picture of her in my head of her just about putting her head on Casey's shoulder when Casey was distraught over her mother leaving the stand and being comforted by her husband. :rolleyes: I don't think I've ever seen Vass...now I'm looking forward to it. :thumbsup2I have been watching way too much of the legal analysis of this trial and I haven't heard anyone saying anything about George forcing Casey to bury Caylee. The truth of what really happened with Caylee is so totally unknown as well as where Baez is ultimately going with their defense, that I think some of these legal experts are just firing off scenarios blindly hoping that if their's is the right one, then they'll look smart.

I agree with you that Baez is trying wait and see what the prosecution finishes with before he goes with a final plan of action. Most of the experts I've heard so far all agree that because of the sexual allegations Baez made against George in his opening statement, Casey is probably going to have to take the stand to back it up. That would be the only way that the defense could get it out for the jury to hear about it. Believe me, if Casey does take the stand, I'm taking that day off from work because that tough prosecuting attorney will rip her to shreds on cross examination.You're right. I think reporters are getting confused about what's fact, what's put out there by the defense, and what they (the reporters) think they heard of each.

If Casey takes the stand, I think it will break TV watching records. I know I'll be watching.just from what i've heard and her lifestyle i am in the "spir of the moment" camp.

i really don't think it was premeditated

i think ssomething happened to piss her off and it got out of hand.

though i am wondering about the cloriform and maybe that's what happened. maybe she had used it in the past to keep caylee quiet but gave her too much this time.I think Casey was getting to a point where she was, at the very least, fantasizing about what life without Caylee could be like for her. I think she did those searches in the process. Whether or not she planned prior to the actual death to actually kill her then and there. :confused3 Too many things, IMHO, point to premeditation, but I can see others POV too. I just hate that we'll never really know the truth. I hate unsolved mysteries.

TLSnell1981
06-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Same thing with Kronk, etc. If it was an accident and George helped to hide it all, then, really, who cares about Kronk?
Never mind missed earlier post, regarding Kronk. Duplicated info.

denisem
06-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Click on this link - I always was impressed by this particular photo comparison someone had questioned as a "could it be"?

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s336/starshineinca/caylee.jpg

:surfweb:

Whoa! That's pretty incredible. I'd seen pictures of Jesse Grund and this photo didn't fit. Did a bit of searching and found the photo is J P Chatt. I think he was another Tony L roommate? Off to do some searching, let you know what I find out...

sorcerormickey
06-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Speaking of Kronk..Padilla commented,, that Kronk's girlfriend works at the jail. She eavesdropped on Casey's private conversations WITH her attorney, and knew were the body was. They just had to wait for water levels to drop, so the area would be accessible.


:eek::eek::eek: NO WAY!! IS THAT TRUE?????? :eek::eek::eek:


On a side note, SO is making me leave the house tomorrow ( :rolleyes: ) so I will have to keep track of stuff on my phone.

plutotek
06-05-2011, 01:06 PM
When it comes to Baez's opening statement, it was a seed. From that point, his focus has to be on fertilizing (he's got THAT down :)) that seed so that the doubt of the prosecution's case grows. However, he doesn't have to prove his theory is fact. I think he's going to be successful in creating enough doubt that she will be found not guilty of the most serious charge, but not the rest.

kidshop
06-05-2011, 01:20 PM
Ive asked this same question. Its a schizophrenic defense! The little girl died accidently or so they claim. So why fight the evidence that she dies? I don't get it and I think it will be what kills the defense. They need to stick with a defense and explain the evidence to fit it otherwise, its just throwing things to see what sticks.

Same thing with Kronk, etc. If it was an accident and George helped to hide it all, then, really, who cares about Kronk?

Although this may be giving Jose too much credit, he may try going with that even when confronted with overwhelming reality, Cindy chooses to turn a blind eye. 1)They didn't know she was pregnant, 2)they never asked who the father was or tried to find her other set of grandparents if the father was dead 3)they never met Caylee's nanny who was noted to be around a few years, not even a phone number for her 4) they believed Casey had a job and was going to work, even as she was stealing from them. For YEARS. 5) Cindy believed until 6 weeks ago Zanny was real and was looking for her.

Where I'm going with this is if the alleged abuse defense is true, Cindy would choose not to see it just like every other instance named. She would just pretend it was not happening. Everyone knew Zanny was imaginary since July 2008, why didn't Cindy? I know she doesn't want Casey to get the death penalty, but come on!

For the record I do not believe the abuse defense or that George was involved. But I think they can cast some reasonable doubt based on the unbelievable life they all lived.

Kurby
06-05-2011, 01:33 PM
ya but there are a lot of parents who don't see or believe what's right in front of them.

how about all those parents of bullies who say - nooooo not my child. my son/daughter would never ever do that even if there is cell phone video of their kid beating the crap out of another kid those parents will often make up some kind of excuse as to why it's not THEIR childs fault.

makes you just wanna slap the parent for being so stupid/blind/trusting whatever of their child.

maybe cindy was one of those parents who thought KC could do no wrong even if they did have their fights and problems maybe cindy thought - she wouldn't lie to me with the important stuff.

EMom
06-05-2011, 02:10 PM
I don't see any resemblance to anyone besides Cindy in Caylee's face. Take the bleached blonde hair off Cindy and replace it with brown and I have always thought Caylee was a smaller version of Cindy. She does not look like her mother at all.

As far as first degree murder is concerned, I did a quick check re Florida and it seems you can be guilty of this if you commit premeditated murder (and in some states, that can be formed "in the blink of an eye") OR if you commit felony murder.

This is a much easier fit for felony murder as first degree murder and can also earn the death penalty. If the state proves the child was killed because aggravated child abuse was being committed, that is felony murder. You do not need intent to kill. Much easier standard to meet.

richmond282
06-05-2011, 02:12 PM
When it comes to Baez's opening statement, it was a seed. From that point, his focus has to be on fertilizing (he's got THAT down :)) that seed so that the doubt of the prosecution's case grows. However, he doesn't have to prove his theory is fact. I think he's going to be successful in creating enough doubt that she will be found not guilty of the most serious charge, but not the rest.

I don't think he's created any doubt at all. Nothing in cross-examination seems to indicate that there was anybody else other than Casey involved in Caylee's disappearance/death. He has only proven that Casey is a LIAR. To me that shoots his theory out of the water just because an accidental drowning is what CASEY claims happened, but she's a LIAR so why believe that statement anyway.

I've been thinking about all this Xanex speculation. If Casey was drugging Caylee, where did the Xanex come from? No one (as far as I know) has ever found any Xanex in Casey's possession or come forward saying they supplied the Xanex or are missing any Xanex.

I think the name Zanny might have come from her friend Annie's name. A couple pages back someone linked an article about her. It said Annie used to live in Sawgrass Apartments and had friends and relatives with the same names as "Zanny's" relatives. I don't think Annie IS Zanny, but only the inspiration for the lies.

sorcerormickey
06-05-2011, 02:31 PM
If Casey was drugging Caylee, where did the Xanex come from? No one (as far as I know) has ever found any Xanex in Casey's possession or come forward saying they supplied the Xanex or are missing any Xanex.

Drugs like that are easy enough to buy on the streets, especially with her circle of friends. And I would think, if Xanax was the issue, she would be smart enough to ditch any she had before the police were involved.

TLSnell1981
06-05-2011, 03:01 PM
Drugs like that are easy enough to buy on the streets, especially with her circle of friends. And I would think, if Xanax was the issue, she would be smart enough to ditch any she had before the police were involved.

But, the drug test showed, no drugs in Caylee's system.

plutotek
06-05-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't think he's created any doubt at all. Nothing in cross-examination seems to indicate that there was anybody else other than Casey involved in Caylee's disappearance/death. He has only proven that Casey is a LIAR. To me that shoots his theory out of the water just because an accidental drowning is what CASEY claims happened, but she's a LIAR so why believe that statement anyway.


Not disputing her pathology, but he has introduced an alternate theory. Unfortunately, since the state's case is largely circumstantial, he has the opportunity to paint a broad enough picture that she could avoid conviction of the most serious charge. That's "could", not will. If the prosecution continues to present it's case the way it has been, they could negate that, but we won't know for another month or so.

Kurby
06-05-2011, 03:17 PM
But, the drug test showed no.. drugs in Caylee's system.


and no one has come forward to say they saw her take them, buy them or ever talk about using then

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 03:34 PM
Not disputing her pathology, but he has introduced an alternate theory. Unfortunately, since the state's case is largely circumstantial, he has the opportunity to paint a broad enough picture that she could avoid conviction of the most serious charge. That's "could", not will. If the prosecution continues to present it's case the way it has been, they could negate that, but we won't know for another month or so.I agree. I hope not tho.But, the drug test showed no.. drugs in Caylee's system.In what system? I don't really know where it would show up after being dead for 6 months. Does it NOT showing up in her bones prove she never was drugged, or just that we don't know if she was?and no one has come forward to say they saw her take them, buy them or ever talk about using thenCasey was a lying sneak. I doubt she'd give Caylee drugs in front of anyone, nor talk about doing it. And I don't think drug dealers would come forward and say they sold her drugs. She's also a thief. If there were drugs within this group of friends (and I'm guessing that's a possibility), Casey surely would have no problem stealing some. Her friends might not even know some of their drugs were missing, and if they did, might not connect it to her, or put it out to LE that they do drugs. I don't think, if Caylee was drugged, that it was to a large extent, or often...just to get her through those times when Caylee was bothersome to Casey's social life.

All speculation, of course.

Kurby
06-05-2011, 03:44 PM
ya but all her "friends" i'm sure if one of them knew about her getting taking it would come forward and ask for ammunity to testify they gave it to her.

isn't it a club drug? pretty free flowing so maybe its easy to get.

i couldn't even tell you were to get pot let alone any of that.

oh wait it's not the one i'm thinking of.

anyways - they tested the hairs and there was no drug evidence - your hair holds your history and if she had been given it in the past (until she cut it) there would be a record in her hair

plus there would be some kind of physical evidence of it - heck i give my daughter benidrill when she's taken nuts without thinking and my mom can see it right away.

again all speculation at this point until the state rests

Kurby
06-05-2011, 03:48 PM
Honestly I dint know how it's not killing the jury to talk about it

We're talking about it all the time

MaryAnnDVC
06-05-2011, 03:57 PM
So much for accomplishing much today. :rolleyes: I'm sitting here DISing, doing self-surgery :scared1: (LOL...I have a big splinter and cannot get it out...I'm making myself feel faint) and checking for the release of the name of young person my children know who was killed in an accident. :( Because of FB, I know who it is, but I keep hoping it isn't. But then again, it would still be another young person in town; tragic, no matter what.

I need to go tear down some wallpaper. Not nearly as much of an emotional release as ripping out tile, but it's all I got.

Oh...I mentioned to DH that I'd like the treadmill moved to the living room, and he didn't balk...I'm shocked! In the last week, he's moved our two daughters...one from RI to Boston, and the other one who got married, from his apartment in RI and her apartment in CT to a condo (with 3 floors!) in CT. So I thought he'd be :headache: about moving anything! I guess he figured if I'm going to be watching the trial, I might as well work on gettin' skinny. :)

Mickey Fliers
06-05-2011, 04:26 PM
Personally, I think one of the boyfriends knows more that what he is saying. Ricardo (I think) posted pics of Chloroform on his Myspace. I think that is very telling. This was the boyfriend before Tony and Caylee would spend the night at his place. Is it possible that they got into the habit of using chloroform on Caylee whenever she was spending the night and they didn't want to be interrupted? He put it on Myspace as a joke?