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DizDragonfly
09-27-2011, 04:02 PM
A laptop will not fit in the safe.

My 13-inch MacBook Pro did.

AARCLUKSCH
10-13-2011, 09:15 AM
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CaptHomer
10-13-2011, 10:37 AM
I've skimmed and did a search on this thread and could not find this information.

How big is the in-room safe? I don't remember even seeing one when we were there in '08.
Will a large laptop fit?

Thanks!

I take my laptop all time and just leave it in the room. Don't think you are going to have a problem at one of the Universal hotels as long as you keep your room locked.

cuddlykp
10-29-2011, 03:17 PM
The rooms at RPH look really small and I am having second thought about booking there instead of HRH who's rooms look a little bigger.

Is there a little sofa or just 2 chairs to sit on?

We chose RPH because of the tropical theme but don't want to be running into each other every time we turn around.

Advice?

jedi jen
10-30-2011, 09:42 AM
I have booked two nights at RPR. I originally only booked one night but it looks so nice, we decided to stay two. I have never been to Universal so this is going to be an adventure for me!!:goodvibes

dolphindolls2
10-30-2011, 10:02 AM
Finally got through all 100 pages over the last few days! :goodvibes
Thanks so much for all this information we've just booked for next June and I would never have thought about getting the cooler for ice or not accepting the mini bar key etc. Great to know about what rooms to request and/or avoid (pets & smoking).
I will stay tuned in for new info.
Thanks again :flower3:

Did you purchase the cooler on site or did you purchase one off site? I was thinking if buying a cheap one and send it via ups ahead of my stay

CaptHomer
10-31-2011, 10:17 AM
The rooms at RPH look really small and I am having second thought about booking there instead of HRH who's rooms look a little bigger.

Is there a little sofa or just 2 chairs to sit on?

We chose RPH because of the tropical theme but don't want to be running into each other every time we turn around.

Advice?

No sofa, just the 2 chairs if you are in a regular room. Rooms are bigger than what you get at a moderate Disney resort I believe.

cuddlykp
10-31-2011, 11:02 AM
Did you purchase the cooler on site or did you purchase one off site? I was thinking if buying a cheap one and send it via ups ahead of my stay


We are going to purchase a cooler at Walgreens just down the street. You won't be able to find one on site I am pretty sure.

No way we are accepting the bar key!

HPMonkey4
10-31-2011, 12:37 PM
We are going to purchase a cooler at Walgreens just down the street. You won't be able to find one on site I am pretty sure.

No way we are accepting the bar key!

Smart! I'm thinking of doing the same thing. I might go with DH to Walgreens right when we get there to get a cooler, package of water bottles, some sodas for DH possibly, some snacks, and etc. then that will be our go to box of goodies instead of having to get room service or sodas onsite constantly.

cuddlykp
10-31-2011, 01:58 PM
Smart! I'm thinking of doing the same thing. I might go with DH to Walgreens right when we get there to get a cooler, package of water bottles, some sodas for DH possibly, some snacks, and etc. then that will be our go to box of goodies instead of having to get room service or sodas onsite constantly.

We are doing the same, saves a load of cash!

englishrose47
10-31-2011, 02:03 PM
Has anyone used Garden Grocers for delivery to RPH???? I know they have coolers as well as snax etc !!

kkproulx
01-02-2012, 02:55 PM
Does anyone know what car rentals available at RPR?

blackjack68
01-02-2012, 03:03 PM
Does anyone know what car rentals available at RPR?

Pretty sure it's Hertz Rental at the hotel.

hayanyujah847
01-08-2012, 01:47 PM
My understanding is APH rates are released about 3 months prior, correct? I'm planning on going 5/1 to 5/4 so will check back next month.

I had a bad experience here when I last stayed for a week in that they moved our room 3 times. First they sent us to a room that had not yet had maid service. Not a big deal, so we went down for a new room....and were sent to a room that was taken! We walked in on a family all hanging out which was super awkward. Finally they gave us a room that was right next to construction when they were going under massive renovations. We stayed in it for one night but the construction started quite early so he had to move again. The hotel is absolutely gorgeous but the staff was hit or miss based on my experience. I'm all for giving it another try though! :thumbsup2

macraven
01-08-2012, 04:51 PM
My understanding is APH rates are released about 3 months prior, correct? I'm planning on going 5/1 to 5/4 so will check back next month.

I had a bad experience here when I last stayed for a week in that they moved our room 3 times. First they sent us to a room that had not yet had maid service. Not a big deal, so we went down for a new room....and were sent to a room that was taken! We walked in on a family all hanging out which was super awkward. Finally they gave us a room that was right next to construction when they were going under massive renovations. We stayed in it for one night but the construction started quite early so he had to move again. The hotel is absolutely gorgeous but the staff was hit or miss based on my experience. I'm all for giving it another try though! :thumbsup2


not sure what time period the aph rates come out this year for certain months.
just keep checking like you said.


that is not good on what happened to you on your last stay at rph.
hopefully, this next trip will be a winner!

did you bring the issue of changing rooms on your last trip to the attention of the manager?

anytime you have that type of situation, let the manager, assit, front end manager, etc be aware of the inconvenience you are going through.

k3chantal
01-13-2012, 09:08 PM
Sorry everyone....I am new to Universal Orlando and will be visiting for the first time this June. What is the Entertainment rate and how do you get it? I just booked for this hotel and my AAA rate was 246.00 down from 279.00 for a two queen size beds standard room.

Please advise and help me find the best rate.

macraven
01-13-2012, 09:30 PM
haven't heard of anyone using the entertainment rate in many years.

i used it back in the time period of 1996-7, but it changed to a different program.

in the early 2000's, you would book thru the entertainment site and get the rebate from them.


if it has changed again, i don't have an answer for you.

AAA is a popular discount.

Stay More, Save More is another promo discount that allows a % off the room rate depending on the number of nights you stay onsite.

The AP/annual pass discount is also another popular way to get discounted rooms.

damo
01-14-2012, 08:55 AM
I agree with Mac. I don't think the entertainment rate exists anymore.

jcc0621
01-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Hi everyone. Just booked our trip for August:cool1: What is the going rate for parking at RPR? I know in 2009 we had to pay for parking when we stayed there. I am assuming that is still the case?

I am really looking forward to this becasue in 2009 my DS and DH wound up going without me becasue I got sick:sad2:

macraven
01-23-2012, 05:43 PM
$15 self parking per night
$20 valet parking

jcc0621
01-25-2012, 03:44 PM
$15 self parking per night
$20 valet parking

Thanks!:goodvibes

patster734
01-25-2012, 04:45 PM
Thanks!:goodvibes

If you don't have a car, you don't pay the parking fee.

On our last few trips, we've had a towncar supply round trip service between MCO and our onsite hotel (RPR, HRH, PBH). Round trip service has cost between $100 and $130. A grocery stop between the airport and hotel is complimentary for most Orlando towncar services. Because we don't have a car, we don't get charged the $15 per night.

mrszrw
01-26-2012, 06:49 AM
Can someone tell me where to find the AAA code or what it is? We are going in June and I would love to save the extra $$$$ we are booking two rooms so the saving would add up really quick!

thanks

pixeegrl
01-26-2012, 07:47 AM
Can someone tell me where to find the AAA code or what it is? We are going in June and I would love to save the extra $$$$ we are booking two rooms so the saving would add up really quick!

thanks

The best way to check the AAA rate is on the AAA site or by calling the hotel directly. If you let me know your dates I can check the AAA site for you. You may also want to consider buying one annual pass as sometimes it's worth it for the discount. You should only need one for both rooms....Just looking at random dates in June I am showing $251 for a standard room AAA...staying 3 nights...

mrszrw
01-26-2012, 08:14 AM
we are going jun 13th-16th

pixeegrl
01-26-2012, 09:27 AM
we are going jun 13th-16th

Looks like the standard rate for a standard room $279 is your best bet that week. The only AAA rate left is waterview for $300. Don't see any APH rates for that week. But still, call the hotel directly and ask the best available rate.

jdd
01-26-2012, 10:35 AM
Good morning! Planning our first stay at Universal (Royal Pacific) for Aug 4th and 5th. Do they ever float any deals out there like DW does? I'm looking at just booking through AAA, but wanted to make sure that'll be my best price.

Also, if I book my hotel seperately from my tickets (instead of doing a package), will we still get the same perks of early entry into the parks and fast pass??

Thanks for the help!

jcc0621
01-26-2012, 10:40 AM
If you don't have a car, you don't pay the parking fee.

On our last few trips, we've had a towncar supply round trip service between MCO and our onsite hotel (RPR, HRH, PBH). Round trip service has cost between $100 and $130. A grocery stop between the airport and hotel is complimentary for most Orlando towncar services. Because we don't have a car, we don't get charged the $15 per night.

Thanks, but we are driving down this trip, so no way of getting out of paying the parking.

Can someone tell me where to find the AAA code or what it is? We are going in June and I would love to save the extra $$$$ we are booking two rooms so the saving would add up really quick!

thanks

Definitely call universal directly. I looked at prices online through AAA and then called. When I called there was a $140 difference (lower) between what I saw online and what I booked over the phone!

patster734
01-26-2012, 10:43 AM
Good morning! Planning our first stay at Universal (Royal Pacific) for Aug 4th and 5th. Do they ever float any deals out there like DW does? I'm looking at just booking through AAA, but wanted to make sure that'll be my best price.

Also, if I book my hotel seperately from my tickets (instead of doing a package), will we still get the same perks of early entry into the parks and fast pass??Thanks for the help!

Yes. Early entry into HP and unlimited access to the Express line is a benefit to all on-site hotel guests! :thumbsup2

Depending upon when you go, onsite guests also get preferred seating at the Citywalk restaurants. This means that you should be seated quicker if you show up without a reservation. For example, someone staying off property might get quoted a wait time of 45 minutes, while your wait time might be 20 to 25 minutes. This doesn't apply to Emeril's and, last I heard, Bubba Gumps. Of course, with the restaurants now on Opentable.com, making a reservation to one has never been easier.

jcc0621
01-26-2012, 10:54 AM
Of course, with the restaurants now on Opentable.com, making a reservation to one has never been easier.

That's great to know, I did not kow this. Thanks so much. We are there only two nights (a Sat and a Sunday 8/25 and 8/26), so I am guessing for at least Saturday Night dinner ressie's would be advisable? I know that is the start of considered "off season, but I am guessing CW gets crowded on a Sat night?

jcc0621
01-26-2012, 10:55 AM
Of course, with the restaurants now on Opentable.com, making a reservation to one has never been easier.

That's great to know, I did not kow this. Thanks so much. We are there only there two nights (a Sat and a Sunday 8/25 and 8/26), so I am guessing for at least Saturday Night dinner ressie's would be advisable? I know that is the start of considered "off season, but I am guessing CW gets crowded on a Sat night?

patster734
01-26-2012, 11:51 AM
That's great to know, I did not kow this. Thanks so much. We are there only there two nights (a Sat and a Sunday 8/25 and 8/26), so I am guessing for at least Saturday Night dinner ressie's would be advisable? I know that is the start of considered "off season, but I am guessing CW gets crowded on a Sat night?

I would guess that Citywalk is crowded every Saturday night, not only from tourists, but locals too.

jdd
01-26-2012, 12:27 PM
Yes. Early entry into HP and unlimited access to the Express line is a benefit to all on-site hotel guests! :thumbsup2

Depending upon when you go, onsite guests also get preferred seating at the Citywalk restaurants. This means that you should be seated quicker if you show up without a reservation. For example, someone staying off property might get quoted a wait time of 45 minutes, while your wait time might be 20 to 25 minutes. This doesn't apply to Emeril's and, last I heard, Bubba Gumps. Of course, with the restaurants now on Opentable.com, making a reservation to one has never been easier.

Awesome - great info! Thanks!

jcc0621
01-26-2012, 12:33 PM
I would guess that Citywalk is crowded every Saturday night, not only from tourists, but locals too.

That's what I was figuring. Thanks again:goodvibes

Planning fanatic mom
01-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Hi All!:wave2:

This is our first trip to IOA. We are staying one night at Royal Pacific. We can't wait. :banana:

This is a very long thread, so I won't be able to read it all. I will read some of the first few pages and the last few. I hope no one minds if I ask questions that might have already been asked.

We are so excited about IOA and RPR. :cloud9:

pixeegrl
01-27-2012, 06:19 AM
Hi All!:wave2:

This is our first trip to IOA. We are staying one night at Royal Pacific. We can't wait. :banana:

This is a very long thread, so I won't be able to read it all. I will read some of the first few pages and the last few. I hope no one minds if I ask questions that might have already been asked.

We are so excited about IOA and RPR. :cloud9:

If you are looking for specific info in this thread you can also click search thread and type in what you want to know. I like to show the results as posts, easier to get through that way for me. Have fun, of course I love planning trips so that's half the fun for me lol.

npoon
02-11-2012, 11:29 PM
What is the buffet breakfast like?

lamtails
02-12-2012, 08:07 AM
What is the buffet breakfast like?
From what I remember Continental style but NOT free, kind of pricey. I was not thrilled with the Hotel, I did not feel as if it were lean, guess I am a spoiled Disney girl!

lamtails
02-12-2012, 08:09 AM
From what I remember Continental style but NOT free, kind of pricey. I was not thrilled with the Hotel, I did not feel as if it were lean, guess I am a spoiled Disney girl!


Meant to say "I didn't feel as if the room was CLEAN"!!!

damo
02-12-2012, 10:57 AM
From what I remember Continental style but NOT free, kind of pricey. I was not thrilled with the Hotel, I did not feel as if it were lean, guess I am a spoiled Disney girl!

I think they mean the buffet down in the Islands Restaurant, not the continental breakfast offering in the Orchid Court.

We really enjoyed it. Lots of choices with a bit of an Islands flare.


Meant to say "I didn't feel as if the room was CLEAN"!!!

Just for future reference, there is an edit button so that you can fix your typos.

Echo queen
02-12-2012, 11:09 AM
What is the buffet breakfast like?

The buffet in the Island dining room is top notch with all breakfast foods hot cold and warmpopcorn:: Fresh squeezed jucies with a great wait staff and always very clean and well maintained.

I left my Harry Potter mug on the table and a little later on in the morning the wait staffted chased me down as I was walking by the restaurant to return it to me. I was gald to get it back seeing as I had not realized I lost it:scared1:

Now to price, it is not cheap, I recall around $20 or so per person. I do not recall the child price

We were givin the buffet because there was a check in issue, on another visit we paid.

This is a great option if your ok with the price. Have a great time:wizard:

patster734
02-12-2012, 11:52 AM
IMO, RPR's breakfast buffet is the best of the three onsite buffets. However, with a cost of $20 per person, we limit eating there to once a trip, preferably on a slow day where we're not in a rush to get to a park.

damo
02-12-2012, 12:25 PM
If you have an AP, make sure you use it for the buffet.

Like Patser said, it is pricey. We've only eaten there once and we actually went and did HP early admission and then came back to eat. We had the $100 food/beverage credit to use up from our platinum youfirst benefits.

VLee
02-12-2012, 12:47 PM
It has been a couple of years since we ate there, but my 3 grandkids and I thoroughly enjoyed the huge selection and the very tasty foods. We sometimes eat a late breakfast and actually make it the biggest meal of the day since the kids love breakfast foods!

macraven
02-12-2012, 04:33 PM
there is a chef at the omelet station at the breakfast buffet.


your omelets, or egg dishes are made to order.

all the sides that you can think of can be added to that order.

if you ordered from the menu, a basic order of eggs and meat would be $10.
coffee, depending on the type you want, will add another $4 to that cost.

for another 6 added in, you could order the full buffet

reelmom
02-12-2012, 05:37 PM
I am debating staying here in late May. My family trip is June2-8 but I am taking my boys down earlier than the rest of the family. Currently, I have a reservation for Pop Century since I was gonna try and do Disney before our UO trip. However, my dryer went out today and the money I was using for Disney tickets is now gone. Since we are getting AP's, I think I am gonna book Royal Pacific and just skip Disney. I am excited about the possibility of Early Entry and Express Pass. That way we can do everything before the rest of the family comes down and will not have to feel rushed with a large group.

ldmilton
02-20-2012, 08:39 AM
Just back from 4 days at RPR. Once again, the service was fantastic. We just love this resort…the laid back atmosphere, the friendly staff, yummy drinks at the Bula Bar, and the breakfast buffet at the Islands dining room is wonderful. And, of course the AP room rate is great! Just cannot say enough good things about RPR. We love it!:love:

Donnask8pro
02-23-2012, 09:28 AM
I am taking a few girl friends to US for the day on the way to our cruise in Canaveral port. Is it worth staying here for the night to get FOTL so we can do both parks quickly?
I have stayed here before and loved it but wondering if its worth it with check in time and all. Flying in the day we want to go. Thanks :love:

damo
02-23-2012, 09:32 AM
I am taking a few girl friends to US for the day on the way to our cruise in Canaveral port. Is it worth staying here for the night to get FOTL so we can do both parks quickly?
I have stayed here before and loved it but wondering if its worth it with check in time and all. Flying in the day we want to go. Thanks :love:

You can check in whenever you want. They will give you your room keys even if your room isn't ready so that you can head over to the parks. They will call your cell when the room is ready.

Donnask8pro
02-23-2012, 01:42 PM
Thanks. Think its worth it for Wed, Sept 19th?

damo
02-23-2012, 01:45 PM
For a bunch of ladies, I think it would be great fun.

jagafen
03-05-2012, 02:33 PM
:dancer: Just bumping thread....I lost it, and dancing guy is gonna help me find it!!!

Planning fanatic mom
03-05-2012, 05:26 PM
Just wanted to make sure.

Can you walk to City Walk from RPR??

Thanks in advance!

macraven
03-05-2012, 05:40 PM
Just wanted to make sure.

Can you walk to City Walk from RPR??

Thanks in advance!

yes.

take the path and you will end up on the left side of Margarittaville. sp..

it could take you about 7-8 minutes, depending on the pace that you walk.

beachgirl2000
03-06-2012, 01:03 PM
So I am really hoping to try and get here in October in time for the Epcot Food and Wine Festival and of course Horror Nights at Universal. I am thinking of staying at Royal Pacific but I need advice:

Should I stay for 2 and then a Disney resort for 4 or Royal Pacific for 3 nights and Disney for 3 nights? I have never stayed onsite at Universal before and I am really looking forward to doing so -- I am just worried that there isn't enough to do (like Disney) -- If I say 3 nights, I was only going to buy 2 day/2 park passes and on the 3rd day just walk around City Walk and lounge by the pool or if I do stay the extra night should I just buy a 3 day/3park pass?

:confused3

macraven
03-06-2012, 08:06 PM
So I am really hoping to try and get here in October in time for the Epcot Food and Wine Festival and of course Horror Nights at Universal. I am thinking of staying at Royal Pacific but I need advice:

Should I stay for 2 and then a Disney resort for 4 or Royal Pacific for 3 nights and Disney for 3 nights? I have never stayed onsite at Universal before and I am really looking forward to doing so -- I am just worried that there isn't enough to do (like Disney) -- If I say 3 nights, I was only going to buy 2 day/2 park passes and on the 3rd day just walk around City Walk and lounge by the pool or if I do stay the extra night should I just buy a 3 day/3park pass?

:confused3

buy the basic number of tickets that you know you will need.
if your plans change, you can add tickets to what you have.
go to guest services for that process.
you pay the difference between.

you need to do this by the last day of your last valid ticket before you leave the park to upgrade them.

i love staying on site.
i do hhn for 4 nights on my vacation.

it is great to be able to return to the onsite hotel once the hhn event is over at 2:00 am.....no busses, taxis, car rides to deal with once hhn is over that night.


i have lengthy stays at both resorts.
i start at the motherland then switch to the darkside resort on the same trip.

do the parks in the day for the rides and shows.
spend some afternoons at the pool.
spend some afternoon and evening time at city walk.
pool hop one afternoon to the other hotels.
have dinner at one of the hotels.
enjoy the glassed in open air fountain portion of the lobby.
i see lots of peeps on their laptops or reading in that lobby section.



you have 6 nights to play around with.
since you have done disney before, split the time period between the two resorts.
or if you want more time at UO due to hhn, go 2 and 4 for the stays.

that way you get both places while on vacation.


i used to do 10 nights at the motherland then 6 nights at the darkside.
now i do only 7 nights/8 days at the motherland and 9 nights at the darkside resort.
i vary my trips to 15-19 days each year on one stay.

beachgirl2000
03-07-2012, 03:25 PM
Macraven -- thank you so much for your advice and tips! That sounds like a great idea. I told my husband that I have even planned just one day of sitting by the pool and relaxing and he couldn't believe it -- I NEVER let anyone relax while we are on vacation! :rotfl2: He wants to stay at RP all 6 nights but I am not sure I can -- I don't think I could ever go to Orlando and NOT go to Disney -- I told him the same thing about Universal -- If I get to Florida, I have to be sure to visit both parks! :banana:

macraven
03-07-2012, 04:40 PM
Macraven -- thank you so much for your advice and tips! That sounds like a great idea. I told my husband that I have even planned just one day of sitting by the pool and relaxing and he couldn't believe it -- I NEVER let anyone relax while we are on vacation! :rotfl2: He wants to stay at RP all 6 nights but I am not sure I can -- I don't think I could ever go to Orlando and NOT go to Disney -- I told him the same thing about Universal -- If I get to Florida, I have to be sure to visit both parks! :banana:

i feel the same way.

no way could i do a vacation in orlando and not do both parks.


i go solo once a year for a long stay.
i make the most of it.

(other trips are short stays and i never get to do all that i have planned in advance.)


if you start at the motherland and check in early, you have the entire day to do the parks.
on the second day, start early and end back at the resort late.

check out early on day 3 and go to the darkside hotel. (this way you can have 4 entire days at the darkside)
store your belongings with valet and hit the parks with your hotel card for usage of the express lines.

call it quits late afternoon and hit city walk or back to the hotel for pool time.
do dinner in the evening at city walk.

that's a great first day.

relax the third day you are there.


you will enjoy your pool time.
refreshments sometimes are given out to the guests lounging around the pool.
there is a schedule you will receive in your check in material that lists the pool activities. (times and events, dive in movie dates, etc)

if you are at rph on a saturday at 6-6:30pm, they have a ceremony of using the conch. also have hula dancing performed. kids are invited to join in after their performance.

all this stuff is free.


last year it rained on two of the days i was in the park.
stormed so bad i called it quits and decided to return to the room before noon.

outside the section where you get off the boat dock, TM's stood and gave out warm towels to have the guests use to dry off.
also had the TM's outside the building doors that leads to the elevators.

what a nice touch for guests!


i think you will enjoy doing a 2 night at the motherland and a 4 night at the darkside.
with 4 nights, you can relax and enjoy what the hotel has to offer its guests, explore city walk dining and still cover the parks.

mlacreta
03-08-2012, 02:07 PM
i have lengthy stays at both resorts.
i start at the motherland then switch to the darkside resort on the same trip.

i used to do 10 nights at the motherland then 6 nights at the darkside.
now i do only 7 nights/8 days at the motherland and 9 nights at the darkside resort.
i vary my trips to 15-19 days each year on one stay.



Sounds like you might be the person to ask my next question to...We are also jumping from the "motherland to the darkside." (love that...haven't heard it till now....) Do you have any advice getting from SSR to RPR? We have a large party of 8 so I am thinking likely I will need to find a van taxi service.

macraven
03-08-2012, 05:09 PM
Sounds like you might be the person to ask my next question to...We are also jumping from the "motherland to the darkside." (love that...haven't heard it till now....) Do you have any advice getting from SSR to RPR? We have a large party of 8 so I am thinking likely I will need to find a van taxi service.

i use private car service and the 3 leg trip costs me $130 + tip.

you would need the taxi van unless you could get a better known deal from private car companies.

i know Mears has them and a few other companies use them also.

Murray Hill did have the larger vehicles at one time.
i would have to check their website to see if they still do larger groups.

there are about 4 companies that i have used over the years/since 1996/ to do this motherland to the darkside travel. (private car service)

if you go with the taxi van and get picked up at dtd, it will be cheaper in costs.
if you get picked up at the hotel, price slightly higher.

with the taxis, you are paying for the time in the taxi and the mileage you are traveling.

with private car service, you have a flat rate from the motherland resort to the darkside resort.

anorman
03-08-2012, 06:52 PM
Macraven -- thank you so much for your advice and tips! That sounds like a great idea. I told my husband that I have even planned just one day of sitting by the pool and relaxing and he couldn't believe it -- I NEVER let anyone relax while we are on vacation! :rotfl2: He wants to stay at RP all 6 nights but I am not sure I can -- I don't think I could ever go to Orlando and NOT go to Disney -- I told him the same thing about Universal -- If I get to Florida, I have to be sure to visit both parks! :banana:

You sound a lot like me.......my BIL looks at my vacation schedule and jokes, "and on this day you have scheduled 5 minutes of spontaneous fun between 3 and 3:05":rotfl:

Last year we spent 10 nights at Disney and 4 nights at the darkside, the year before was 14 nights at Disney, the year before that it was 11 nights at Disney, and on our first trip it was 8 nights at Disney. We have always visited other parks but stayed primarily at Disney.

This year we are planning on taking a break from Disney:scared1:!!!!!! We have 3 nights booked at RPR and 8 nights at a Vacation Villa before we head to the beach for a couple of days of much deserved relaxation. I'm looking forward to a nice change of pace but it's kind of stressing me out......with no Disney dining reservations to plan, what am I supposed to do??????

I think you should go ahead and focus on Universal. It is more than worth it to spend your entire trip onsite....there is so much to see and do; it sometimes doesn't get enough credit. I love it!

SgtClaymore
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
I love this resort and how they offer special to there guest such as:

SKIP THE REGULAR LINES with Universal ExpressSM Unlimited ride access* in both theme parks -

and

Early Park Admission† to The Wizarding World of Harry Potter™, one hour before the theme park opens

:thumbsup2

LuvindisCruiser
03-10-2012, 09:30 AM
I've read that you can get in restaurants faster, also staying onsite.
Is this true for margarita ville and bubba Gump?
Just wondering if we get on the front of the waiting list or just how much faster it would be ?
Can I call before we head to that restaurant to be put on the list?
Thanks :thumbsup2

Planning fanatic mom
03-10-2012, 10:11 AM
I've read that you can get in restaurants faster, also staying onsite.
Is this true for margarita ville and bubba Gump?
Just wondering if we get on the front of the waiting list or just how much faster it would be ?
Can I call before we head to that restaurant to be put on the list?
Thanks :thumbsup2

I have the same exact questions. We are driving in one day and don't want to make a reservation because we aren't exactly sure when we will get there. However, if we can be put close to the front of a list, that would be great. Yes, we are staying at Royal Pacific.

I hope we both get an answer.

danacath
03-10-2012, 11:41 AM
I've read that you can get in restaurants faster, also staying onsite.
Is this true for margarita ville and bubba Gump?
Just wondering if we get on the front of the waiting list or just how much faster it would be ?
Can I call before we head to that restaurant to be put on the list?
Thanks :thumbsup2

I have a similar question, too, except that we were thinking of eating at City Walk on Easter Sunday. I have visions of massive gridlock at all of the restaurants that day. :crowded:

I'm also wondering if and how this hotel perk works at Three Broomsticks, since it's not really a table service restaurant. When placing our order, is there a separate queue for onsite hotel guests?

Bluer101
03-10-2012, 12:19 PM
Just show the Citywalk restaurant your hotel key and you will be put on another list. It just makes the wait shorter than the rest of the public. I can't remember though if Bubba Gump's participates in it. :confused3

Echo queen
03-10-2012, 03:23 PM
I've read that you can get in restaurants faster, also staying onsite.
Is this true for margarita ville and bubba Gump?
Just wondering if we get on the front of the waiting list or just how much faster it would be ?
Can I call before we head to that restaurant to be put on the list?
Thanks :thumbsup2

We visit bubba gumps every visit and there was no wait list, we got right in. 4 visits staying on site. The restaurant is huge. Just had drinks at MV. Good luck

macraven
03-10-2012, 04:31 PM
Bubba Gump does not do reservations.
in the past, they have not honored hotel guest with priority seating.


if that has changed since earlier in the year, it's new to me.


some of the restaurants in City Walk honor the guests with priority seatings if staying onsite.

at HRC, if you have the AA/all access card, you get first availabilty.

beachgirl2000
03-12-2012, 08:45 AM
You sound a lot like me.......my BIL looks at my vacation schedule and jokes, "and on this day you have scheduled 5 minutes of spontaneous fun between 3 and 3:05":rotfl:

Last year we spent 10 nights at Disney and 4 nights at the darkside, the year before was 14 nights at Disney, the year before that it was 11 nights at Disney, and on our first trip it was 8 nights at Disney. We have always visited other parks but stayed primarily at Disney.

This year we are planning on taking a break from Disney:scared1:!!!!!! We have 3 nights booked at RPR and 8 nights at a Vacation Villa before we head to the beach for a couple of days of much deserved relaxation. I'm looking forward to a nice change of pace but it's kind of stressing me out......with no Disney dining reservations to plan, what am I supposed to do??????

I think you should go ahead and focus on Universal. It is more than worth it to spend your entire trip onsite....there is so much to see and do; it sometimes doesn't get enough credit. I love it!

Haha -- I get tortured endlessly because of my typewritten itineraries. But as my husband tells people "She may be nuts but she makes sure you see and do everything" -- Thanks hon! :laughing:

One year we went to Madeira Beach (Gulf Coast) and I was in a panic that I was 90 minutes away from Disney/Universal so we actually did a day trip to Universal and Margaritaville just to calm my nerves :lmao: But I would love to go back to the Gulf Coast someday -- Maybe when I am older and Disney is finally out of my system (I can never imagine that happen -- I am worse than my son)!

Thanks for all the help - Hopefully in the next month or so, I can go ahead and start planning. My husband is starting a new job and we have to find out all of the details with vacation, etc. before I can actually book it! He wants to do Universal only but then I reminded him that we are going during Food & Wine Festiral and that I LOVE Epcot so he agreed that we have to stay in Disney at least 2-3 nights! :woohoo: I just hope it all works out! :flower1:

anorman
03-12-2012, 10:21 AM
Haha -- I get tortured endlessly because of my typewritten itineraries. But as my husband tells people "She may be nuts but she makes sure you see and do everything" -- Thanks hon! :laughing:

One year we went to Madeira Beach (Gulf Coast) and I was in a panic that I was 90 minutes away from Disney/Universal so we actually did a day trip to Universal and Margaritaville just to calm my nerves :lmao: But I would love to go back to the Gulf Coast someday -- Maybe when I am older and Disney is finally out of my system (I can never imagine that happen -- I am worse than my son)!

Thanks for all the help - Hopefully in the next month or so, I can go ahead and start planning. My husband is starting a new job and we have to find out all of the details with vacation, etc. before I can actually book it! He wants to do Universal only but then I reminded him that we are going during Food & Wine Festiral and that I LOVE Epcot so he agreed that we have to stay in Disney at least 2-3 nights! :woohoo: I just hope it all works out! :flower1:

Good news! Hopefully you will be planning like mad in no time at all once your hubby gets his vacay sorted out. Have fun!

pooki1
03-14-2012, 09:50 PM
I have a question about hotel parking. We are staying at royal pacific on may 20th,arriving Sunday morning,staying one night and checking out Monday morning. We will spend Sunday at US and monday at WWOHP leaving in the afternoon. I was told by hotel rep they charge parking nightly,is there a time frame ? Will we be charged for 2nights? Thankyou!

bumbershoot
03-14-2012, 10:29 PM
I have a question about hotel parking. We are staying at royal pacific on may 20th,arriving Sunday morning,staying one night and checking out Monday morning. We will spend Sunday at US and monday at WWOHP leaving in the afternoon. I was told by hotel rep they charge parking nightly,is there a time frame ? Will we be charged for 2nights? Thankyou!

As long as you are out of the parking lot by midnight, you'll just have the one night charged. When the hotel person said nightly, they meant nightly; they charge at midnight, according to the front desk people. So if you're not there at midnight (you swipe your keycard to get in and out of the parking garage), you won't be charged a second fee.

It's just all so civilized. :goodvibes



danacath, you asked:

I'm also wondering if and how this hotel perk works at Three Broomsticks, since it's not really a table service restaurant. When placing our order, is there a separate queue for onsite hotel guests?

For package holders there's a breakfast thing available. I don't know much about that as the offerings don't interest me enough to find out. :)

But at 10:30 the 3 Broomsticks opens for *lunch*, and that's open to all. And no, there's no separate line. It's counter service, and it's for everyone.

For whatever reason, we always seem to be hungry for lunch by that time anyway, when we're in WWoHP, so we beat the lunch rush by going *early*.

Corly
03-15-2012, 01:09 PM
Hi! I am planning our arrival day and wanted to double-check that we can in fact arrive at the hotel around 2 and swim until 4/when our room is ready:confused3

We have a 6:00 resist at Islands for dinner and are hoping for a swim-in movie for a restful night before WWoHP! :cool1::cool1::cool1:

macraven
03-15-2012, 01:25 PM
Hi! I am planning our arrival day and wanted to double-check that we can in fact arrive at the hotel around 2 and swim until 4/when our room is ready:confused3

We have a 6:00 resist at Islands for dinner and are hoping for a swim-in movie for a restful night before WWoHP! :cool1::cool1::cool1:

yes, you can.

schumigirl
03-15-2012, 04:40 PM
I've read that you can get in restaurants faster, also staying onsite.
Is this true for margarita ville and bubba Gump?
Just wondering if we get on the front of the waiting list or just how much faster it would be ?
Can I call before we head to that restaurant to be put on the list?
Thanks :thumbsup2

It`s certainly true for Margaritaville, we have done this a few times when it was really busy. One time we saved around a 20 minutes wait and got a table in 10. Other times there was not much of a wait anyway.

Don`t know about BG as we have never wanted to eat here for some reason.

twinsmom
03-23-2012, 10:15 AM
I just booked RPH for April 10-14 at rate of $322 per night. Am traveling with 4 kids.....am planning on bringing a cooler to keep drinks etc in room. I have been at Portofino for business multiple times but never with the kids. We are typical Disney vacationers. What is best location for quick access to boat to parks? Also if I bring one of my kids friends can we squeeze him in the room you think and how would that work with the room key card to get fast access to rides? I don't think I can handle another child but my oldest just mentioned he may want to bring a friend. Any other good tips? I appreciate your help!

damo
03-23-2012, 11:16 AM
I just booked RPH for April 10-14 at rate of $322 per night. Am traveling with 4 kids.....am planning on bringing a cooler to keep drinks etc in room. I have been at Portofino for business multiple times but never with the kids. We are typical Disney vacationers. What is best location for quick access to boat to parks? Also if I bring one of my kids friends can we squeeze him in the room you think and how would that work with the room key card to get fast access to rides? I don't think I can handle another child but my oldest just mentioned he may want to bring a friend. Any other good tips? I appreciate your help!

You'll have a problem if you bring another child. Each person has a photo ID for using the express lanes and getting into the park for early entry. You are only allowed a max of 4 kids with 1 adult in the room.

Closest to the boat would be tower 3. Closest to walk would be tower 1.

macraven
03-23-2012, 02:09 PM
the onsite hotels have a limit of 5 to a room but there are some suites/villas at pbh that can accommodate 6.

but it will be pricey.

jagafen
03-24-2012, 04:20 PM
Great thread, with lots of info...thanks Damo and Macraven for all your input.

I was wondering about on-site laundry services. I know there are washers and dryers available, but what about ironing/pressing? I know there's probably an iron in the room, but i really don't feel like ironing on vacation....how much dough am I looking at to have someone else iron a bunch of men's (and a 9 y/os) dress shirts???

macraven
03-24-2012, 04:59 PM
from the UO website...



Laundry, Dry Cleaning and Special Services
Our hotels provide a timely and efficient service based on the guest’s needs. Services include laundry, dry cleaning, quick pressing, and shoe shine service. If necessary, Express or Same Day Service can be requested. Hours of Operation: Available 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM; 7 days a week


you know it won't be cheap to use the service.
there are irons in each room with a board.





btw, who irons while on vacation.........:laughing:

jagafen
03-24-2012, 05:21 PM
from the UO website...



Laundry, Dry Cleaning and Special Services
Our hotels provide a timely and efficient service based on the guest’s needs. Services include laundry, dry cleaning, quick pressing, and shoe shine service. If necessary, Express or Same Day Service can be requested. Hours of Operation: Available 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM; 7 days a week


you know it won't be cheap to use the service.
there are irons in each room with a board.





btw, who irons while on vacation.........:laughing:


EXACTLY!! LOL!! We're kind of the "dress for dinner" type if we're going to a nicer restaurant. I usually wear a sundress, and DH and DS usually wear camp shirts. It's still casual, but "nicer" than parkwear I just want to know if it's going to cost me an arm, or a leg. I'm a believer in decreasing the sticker shock, so if I can get a ballpark figure aheady of time, it helps to "maintain my vacation vibe." Basically, I don't like suprises! We have had our ironing done for us at AKL at Disney, but for the life of me, I can't remember what they charged!! I know it's going to probably vary by the type of garment....

damo
03-24-2012, 05:32 PM
No dress shirts required. Just wear a polo shirt if they want to dress up. No ironing required!

macraven
03-24-2012, 11:39 PM
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EXACTLY!! LOL!! We're kind of the "dress for dinner" type if we're going to a nicer restaurant. I usually wear a sundress, and DH and DS usually wear camp shirts. It's still casual, but "nicer" than parkwear I just want to know if it's going to cost me an arm, or a leg. I'm a believer in decreasing the sticker shock, so if I can get a ballpark figure aheady of time, it helps to "maintain my vacation vibe." Basically, I don't like suprises! We have had our ironing done for us at AKL at Disney, but for the life of me, I can't remember what they charged!! I know it's going to probably vary by the type of garment....



i don't use the laundry service so i can't answer that part of your question.
i don't even own an iron.
i send out stuff out to our dry cleaners.


you could call the hotel direct and ask what the charges are for the garments.
that way you will have the info in advance and can plan for it.

rrobinhhalk
03-27-2012, 02:30 PM
Staying at RPR is there a short cut when walking to the park? Was looking on google earth map and it looks like there is a short cut if you brave walking :cool1: over the road? Anyone know of a quick way to AOI from RPR?
thanks

Bluer101
03-27-2012, 02:37 PM
Staying at RPR is there a short cut when walking to the park? Was looking on google earth map and it looks like there is a short cut if you brave walking :cool1: over the road? Anyone know of a quick way to AOI from RPR?
thanks

The walking path is fast enough. There would be no way without going through tall bushes to get back on the path. The only entry from RPR into Citywalk is right beside Margaritaville.:thumbsup2

macraven
03-27-2012, 02:42 PM
Staying at RPR is there a short cut when walking to the park? Was looking on google earth map and it looks like there is a short cut if you brave walking :cool1: over the road? Anyone know of a quick way to AOI from RPR?
thanks

it all depends on the pace that you walk.


many guests can walk that path in 5/6 minutes easily.

i can't imagine any short cut that would be quicker than that.

damo
03-27-2012, 03:08 PM
Staying at RPR is there a short cut when walking to the park? Was looking on google earth map and it looks like there is a short cut if you brave walking :cool1: over the road? Anyone know of a quick way to AOI from RPR?
thanks

That shortcut won't get you to a park entrance, so it is kind of a longcut.

danacath
03-29-2012, 09:24 PM
For package holders there's a breakfast thing available. I don't know much about that as the offerings don't interest me enough to find out. :)

But at 10:30 the 3 Broomsticks opens for *lunch*, and that's open to all. And no, there's no separate line. It's counter service, and it's for everyone.

For whatever reason, we always seem to be hungry for lunch by that time anyway, when we're in WWoHP, so we beat the lunch rush by going *early*.

Thanks for the reply, bumbershoot. An early lunch at 3 Broomsticks sounds great, especially since we already have a 4:30 reservation for an early dinner at Mythos. Whenever possible, our family loves to "zig" while the masses "zag", in order to stay one step ahead of the crowds! :thumbsup2

LuvindisCruiser
03-30-2012, 09:35 AM
Is there flavored creamer for the coffee?
I usually bring my own ........
Thanks!:thumbsup2

bumbershoot
03-30-2012, 01:57 PM
I only remember normal, but shelf-stable (so it's not pure cream) creamers, no flavors. If you like the flavors, bring your own.

jedi jen
04-01-2012, 11:05 AM
We are planning a trip in July. We only stayed one night before, and are planning 3 this July with some resort/pool time. I thought I read somewhere that you can pool hop to the other Universal resorts. Is this true? The HRH pool sounds like it might be fun for the kids (music underwater). If pool hopping is OK, how does it work? How do I avoid being embarrassed because we are walking out of the resort, wet after a swim and in swimming attire (with cover ups of course)? Also, I would love to hear opinions/rankings on the pools? Does anyone have a favorite?

macraven
04-01-2012, 12:30 PM
pool hopping is encouraged.
take your hotel room key to get keys at the other pools.

you can travel by foot, water taxi, rick shaw to the other hotels.


if you put charging on your cc, you can charge any food/beverage items at the other hotel pool.

most peeps bring a change of clothes and use the pool room to change after swimming and returning to other hotel.

i have seen some ladies and gents put the kwi dry shorts over the bottoms of their suits and a cover over instead of changing clothes when leaving the other hotel pool.

bumbershoot
04-01-2012, 01:59 PM
When we hopped to HRH's pool from PBR, I had my suit and shorts on under my coverup. I would do the same for any hopping. DS just wore his swim trunks and a shirt. (and we both had crocs)

FWIW, the HRH water isn't that deep. The slide is terrific according to DS (I seem to only like Boardwalk's slide at WDW), but there wasn't much actual swimming possible, since the water was so shallow. Just be aware of that. (So far, in my own personal experience and opinion, RPR has been about the best for swimming around as far as main pools go)

jedi jen
04-03-2012, 12:46 AM
Thank you both so much. I agree that I love RPR's pool and expect we will be doing most of our "pooling" there. ;) I like knowing that we can pool hop if we want to. That is such a nice perk. :goodvibes

jagafen
04-13-2012, 04:50 PM
Great thread, with lots of info...thanks Damo and Macraven for all your input.

I was wondering about on-site laundry services. I know there are washers and dryers available, but what about ironing/pressing? I know there's probably an iron in the room, but i really don't feel like ironing on vacation....how much dough am I looking at to have someone else iron a bunch of men's (and a 9 y/os) dress shirts???

Just to bring my origional question "Full circle", I did find the info I was looking for....prices are reasonable for what we need. $6-$11 to iron the types of clothing we bring with us on vacation, depending on garment....just in case anyone else wants to know...

anorman
04-13-2012, 05:06 PM
We were there last year at the RPR and didn't pool hop but I have heard the the HRH has a good one so we may try it this year. Only 4 months to go till we get there!

JessicaR
04-13-2012, 09:02 PM
My kids especially pool-hop. Room Key is ALL you need! Favorite pool atmosphere and slide is Hard Rock. :thumbsup2

Have a wonderful trip. :)

englishrose47
04-30-2012, 02:51 PM
Will be at RPR Sept. 20th thru 24th with a group of 8 Dev. disabled !!Can't wait , this is my first time to Universal !!!!

gymboqueenkaylee
05-01-2012, 06:57 AM
We will be at RPH at the end of June and I can't wait. Getting really excited. Definately going to have to "pool hop". DD is extremely excited that she will be allowed to do this.

Ali
05-03-2012, 06:48 PM
I've never been to a Universal hotel and I've never been to IOA. If I have a child who doesn't like scary rides and is mainly interested in playing in water, how much time do you think we will need inside the park? I want to go see the Harry Potter area. And what is the short cut?

also, what is the mini bar key and how much does it cost? I read many pages and can't figure out why people are so opposed to it.

bumbershoot
05-04-2012, 04:01 PM
I've never been to a Universal hotel and I've never been to IOA. If I have a child who doesn't like scary rides and is mainly interested in playing in water, how much time do you think we will need inside the park? I want to go see the Harry Potter area. And what is the short cut?

also, what is the mini bar key and how much does it cost? I read many pages and can't figure out why people are so opposed to it.

I would look at a map of all of IOA, figure out what *else* you might want to ride, and what your child might also like (Suess!), and go from there. It's not *just* Wizarding World that you might like. :)

The problem with minibars is that sometimes you get charged when you haven't taken anything from it. And with a child, they don't always understand that it's not "yours", that you will have to pay a ton for it.

The key is free. It's the items inside the minibar that aren't free. And, when we stayed at RPR our first time in Dec '10, there were also boxes of things (cookies, and maybe popcorn?) out, near the coffeemaker, that were exorbitantly priced, that we had to warn DS about multiple times.

I typically just turn the key down at checkin, because we're NOT going to use any of the items in the minibar, and don't want to deal with the hassle if they think I've used the minibar.

englishrose47
05-04-2012, 07:03 PM
I would look at a map of all of IOA, figure out what *else* you might want to ride, and what your child might also like (Suess!), and go from there. It's not *just* Wizarding World that you might like. :)

The problem with minibars is that sometimes you get charged when you haven't taken anything from it. And with a child, they don't always understand that it's not "yours", that you will have to pay a ton for it.

The key is free. It's the items inside the minibar that aren't free. And, when we stayed at RPR our first time in Dec '10, there were also boxes of things (cookies, and maybe popcorn?) out, near the coffeemaker, that were exorbitantly priced, that we had to warn DS about multiple times.

I typically just turn the key down at checkin, because we're NOT going to use any of the items in the minibar, and don't want to deal with the hassle if they think I've used the minibar.
When we go in September we will definately be refusing 5 keys . With8 Dev. Disabled I seriously doubt they would understand that the goodies were not for them !!!:scared1::scared1:

JessicaR
05-04-2012, 10:54 PM
When we go in September we will definately be refusing 5 keys . With8 Dev. Disabled I seriously doubt they would understand that the goodies were not for them !!!:scared1::scared1:

Only one key for the mini fridge. :)

englishrose47
05-05-2012, 10:49 PM
Only one key for the mini fridge. :)
We will have 5 rooms !!!!:rotfl2:

JessicaR
05-05-2012, 11:01 PM
We will have 5 rooms !!!!:rotfl2:

Ohhh!:rotfl: Thats quite a group - hope you have a great time!

englishrose47
05-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Ohhh!:rotfl: Thats quite a group - hope you have a great time!

Yes My friend and I will be Escorts for 8 Dev. Disabled, only 2 per room is a biggie with the agency usually so that makes 5 rooms !! While it is a working vacation ( Idon't get paid) all my expenses are paid I just need spending money for souvenirs !!I do about 3 to for different trips a year and absolutely LOVE it . We are both super excited to see Universal and will be staying at RPR!!!!!

GlendaO
05-08-2012, 11:18 PM
the onsite hotels have a limit of 5 to a room but there are some suites/villas at pbh that can accommodate 6.

but it will be pricey.

I noticed that the rooms accommodate five people. How?

Two queen beds; two per bed? I feel like I'm missing something :)

I'd thought about seeing if my mom wanted to go but looking at the room photos, I don't know where we'd put her.

BrerMama
05-09-2012, 07:25 AM
I noticed that the rooms accommodate five people. How?

Two queen beds; two per bed? I feel like I'm missing something :)

I'd thought about seeing if my mom wanted to go but looking at the room photos, I don't know where we'd put her.

You'd have to get a rollaway for $25/night. Or bring an air bed.

pixeegrl
05-09-2012, 08:33 AM
I noticed that the rooms accommodate five people. How?

Two queen beds; two per bed? I feel like I'm missing something :)

I'd thought about seeing if my mom wanted to go but looking at the room photos, I don't know where we'd put her.

Also if you have more than two adults in a room it is an extra $25. I would bring an air mattress for one of your little ones. That is what we did and they fit nicely between the window and bed. When it's not in use just stand it up on it's end. They will give you sheets and blankets and pillows no problem :)

mawmaw040510
05-22-2012, 04:11 PM
Coming from Georgia to Fl.. then will get on the turnpike. Should I just go on down to 1-4 and then to Universal or is there a better exit that will get us to RPR faster.. lol

Bluer101
05-22-2012, 04:16 PM
Coming from Georgia to Fl.. then will get on the turnpike. Should I just go on down to 1-4 and then to Universal or is there a better exit that will get us to RPR faster.. lol

We come from the south and get off at I-4 and then a little west. There is a separate exit that puts you right by RPR. It's going to be the second entrance because the first is the convention area.:thumbsup2

mawmaw040510
05-23-2012, 06:31 AM
THANKS!! :cool1:

66Tink
05-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Stayed at RP for the first time (club level) a few weeks ago and LOVED it :thumbsup2 In fact, we want to book for a few days during DD's February break in 2013 and I can't seem to make ressies on line at either Loews or Universal Orlando :confused3 Does anyone know do I have to call directly to book for 2013 or is it just possible that there are no rooms available this week? Thanks for your help:goodvibes

Bluer101
05-23-2012, 12:14 PM
Stayed at RP for the first time (club level) a few weeks ago and LOVED it :thumbsup2 In fact, we want to book for a few days during DD's February break in 2013 and I can't seem to make ressies on line at either Loews or Universal Orlando :confused3 Does anyone know do I have to call directly to book for 2013 or is it just possible that there are no rooms available this week? Thanks for your help:goodvibes

Probally to far out, call them directly. You will pay rack rate but keep checking and if it goes lower just call back to change.