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HPS3
05-16-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't know which one to buy. I like that they both record video but that does not make my decision because I rarely shoot video. I am more interested in stills. Should I buy the D5100 with the kit lens or the K-r body and a Tamron 17-50 f2.8. Which would produce the best pics and less noise at higher iso? I currently have a T2i and dont record much video. My brother just bought a D3100 and I like the way it feels. I am not really comfortable with the T2i I have had for almost a year.

Gianna'sPapa
05-16-2011, 12:24 PM
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=nikon_d5100&products=pentax_kr

Above is the side-by-side of the two cameras as posted by dpreview.com. They also have full reviews of both cameras. From my perspective, it depends on what your looking for. The Nikon appears to be somewhere between the entry level 3100 and the enthusiast 7000. I'm not a Nikon shooter so I will leave that up to them. The Kr is an upgrade to the Kx and slots in between the Kx and the K5. It addresses some of the issues/concerns with the kx, i.e. active focus points in the viewfinder. I believe Daisy14'sDH shoots with the Kr and can give you a better evaluation of the Kr.

HPS3
05-16-2011, 12:43 PM
Thanx, I am not a big fan of the D3100 button layout. But I like the feel of the grip and camera. I really like the 6fps of the K-r. I just worry about the focusing of the K-r.The K-r also has stabilization built in.

Gianna'sPapa
05-16-2011, 02:06 PM
With the latest generation of Pentax DSLR's, focusing has greatly improved. I have the K10d and in low light it can be an issue, even with my better glass. I have read that the Kr and especially the K5 (which I'm hoping to purchase!) do well. You almost always get a debate on which is better in-lens or in-body stabilization. For the money, I prefer the in-body. While Nikon and Canon have a greater range of newer lenses, they tend to be more expensive if you want IS. For my zooms (f2.8, 4) I primarily use Sigma EX lenses, although I have an older Tamron that does well. All the manufacturers make good cameras and its all personal preference. With the high usable ISO's of today's new bodies, even the kit lenses pick up a stop or two or three.

zackiedawg
05-16-2011, 02:10 PM
Just a few basic questions: What don't you like about your T2? Ergonomics, grip, control layout, image quality, or features? And what specifically has guided you to the two cameras above that you mentioned? It might help formulate some ideas of best recommendations for you.

You mentioned liking the feel and grip of the Nikon, but the burst speed on the KR. You didn't like the Nikon button layout, and worry about the KR focusing. You like the built in stabilization of the KR.

Have you handled the KR as well? What did you think of its controls and grip? Have you considered other models of camera such as the Sony A580 or A55 as well (those share the same sensor as the Nikon D5100), which have fast burst and stabilization like the Pentax, in both a larger and a smaller body style? Are cameras like the 60D & D7000 out of your price range? Do you have any Canon lenses that might make it worthwhile looking at newer or mid-range Canon models?

A few other things to consider that might help.

ukcatfan
05-16-2011, 03:16 PM
It would be difficult to tell much difference in the high ISO performance between those two. So, IMO the K-r with the better lens will win. I have never had much frustration with the focus with either my K100d or my K-x and it is true that they have only gotten better, so there should be no worries there.

HPS3
05-16-2011, 03:40 PM
Just a few basic questions: What don't you like about your T2? Ergonomics, grip, control layout, image quality, or features? And what specifically has guided you to the two cameras above that you mentioned? It might help formulate some ideas of best recommendations for you.

You mentioned liking the feel and grip of the Nikon, but the burst speed on the KR. You didn't like the Nikon button layout, and worry about the KR focusing. You like the built in stabilization of the KR.

Have you handled the KR as well? What did you think of its controls and grip? Have you considered other models of camera such as the Sony A580 or A55 as well (those share the same sensor as the Nikon D5100), which have fast burst and stabilization like the Pentax, in both a larger and a smaller body style? Are cameras like the 60D & D7000 out of your price range? Do you have any Canon lenses that might make it worthwhile looking at newer or mid-range Canon models?

A few other things to consider that might help.

While in WDW the first week in May I found myself shooting a lot with an 8 month old on my left arm and the camera in my right. The T2i doesn't make me feel too sure handed. I also have a problem seeing the entire scene through the viewfinder without smashing my eye against it. Anyway, I dont have an investment in lenses so thats not a problem. My brother brought a Nikon D3100 with us and the grip feels good with one hand. I have the 18-135 and the focus is horrible in low light sometimes never getting focus. The feel of the T2i definitely feels cheaper than the D3100. I saw a couple of people in WDW with Pentax DSLRs and they look awesome in white and the reviews look good but no one carries them around me (outside New Orleans). I dont like the res. screen on the 3100. How big is the Sony in comparison to the K-r, I dont know anything about the A580.

zackiedawg
05-16-2011, 05:03 PM
While in WDW the first week in May I found myself shooting a lot with an 8 month old on my left arm and the camera in my right. The T2i doesn't make me feel too sure handed.

Got it - that's helpful. Ergonomics are one of those things that noone can give perfect advice on since everyone's hands and feel are different...but I can understand from what you're saying that a deeper, more pronounced grip would work better for you (I have always disliked Canon ergonomics myself because I tend to feel more comfortable with larger, deeper grips for one-handed carrying).

I also have a problem seeing the entire scene through the viewfinder without smashing my eye against it.

This may or may not get too much better with the other cameras you are mentioning - they all have roughly the same sized viewfinder, with roughly the same dimensions, magnification, and only small differences in eye relief - so I'm not sure you'll do a whole lot better. The Nikons have a slightly more pronounced eyecup, and the Sony A55 which uses an electronic viewfinder that is much larger to view also has a very extended viewfinder eyepiece which might help. But I'd expect very small differences overall with most.

Anyway, I dont have an investment in lenses so thats not a problem. My brother brought a Nikon D3100 with us and the grip feels good with one hand.

If that's the way your hand tends to feel comfortable, then probably Canon is the worst models for you to look at...they have very small, very shallow grips. Pentax has a more ergonomic grip design that sticks out a bit more than Canon, with a thin camera body and slightly squared off on the right side flat edge. Nikon has a fatter body with deeper but more rounded grip. Sony A55 has a deep but narrow grip on a smaller body. Sony A580 has both a fatter body and a very deep grip.

I have the 18-135 and the focus is horrible in low light sometimes never getting focus.

That is going to be the fault of the lens - a better lens would both focus better and give better images in low light, on any camera. Though the Pentax, Sony, and Nikon all share the same Sony-made sensor which does slightly outperform the older sensor in your T2 for high ISO shooting, the kit lenses will still not really give you the best representation of what those cameras are capable of. Eventually if you intend to really take a lot of these types of shots, you may want to look at a faster, better lens.

I dont like the res. screen on the 3100.

Look at the resolution figures for the LCDs on the cameras you are comparing - many of the cheaper or older entry level cameras have a low, 200-400K res screen...some of the newer models and a few others typically pair a much nicer 900+K screen.

How big is the Sony in comparison to the K-r, I dont know anything about the A580.

The A580 is larger overall than the KR - it's a medium sized body - it is similarly fat and chunky in body design to the Nikon D5000, but it also has a deeper grip with a larger fingerwell. The design is somewhere in between something like the T2 cheaper entry-level models, and the D7000 enthusiast-level models - it's sort of an 'advanced' entry level camera. The 16MP sensor in the A580 is made by Sony, and is also used in the Nikon D5100, D7000, Pentax K5, and Sony A55 - it is widely considered to be one of the finest low light sensors you can get.

The Sony A55, on the other hand, is smaller and lighter than the other cameras here - even slightly smaller than the KR - it does still have a deeper grip design which Sony/Minolta has always favored, but was designed from the outset to be smaller than DSLRs.

HPS3
05-16-2011, 07:06 PM
thanx for in depth info. I just sold my T2i tonight and need a replacement by friday.
My daughter has a dance recital sat. just wish I could get my hands on a K-r

Gianna'sPapa
05-16-2011, 07:19 PM
thanx for in depth info. I just sold my T2i tonight and need a replacement by friday.
My daughter has a dance recital sat. just wish I could get my hands on a K-r

You can have it express shipped from the online stores. I only use B & H, Adorama, Amazon and sometimes Newegg.