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DisneyDadC
05-10-2011, 09:29 PM
I figure I see others doing some threads so I thought I would throw this one in the mix. I know there is always some talk about DVC so we can have it here in one place now.

DisneyDadC
05-10-2011, 09:31 PM
I will kick it off by saying, Yes I am a DVC owner.We own at SSSR.

billybobblockhead
05-10-2011, 09:35 PM
Us too. AKL. SO wanting to add on in the near future.

DisDadDoc
05-10-2011, 09:35 PM
I'm in! We're DVC with BLT as home resort! Love it!

AirGoofy
05-10-2011, 09:44 PM
We own at SSR (2008) and BLT (2010). I enjoy being a member and do wish I had joined when we first started going with our children in 2005. If I can offer my $.02 (which is probably worth less), for whoever is considering DVC, selecting your home resort is the most important factor. There are lots of other things to consider, cost, financing, UY, resale, annual dues, ticket prices, etc. But, IMO, your home resort is key. Do you want a hotel style or resort style? Do you want to be near the parks or furthest away? Do you want near MK? Epcot/ DHS? Plan time to take the tour. We have stayed in all most all the WDW DVC resorts and am happy to answer any questions. Good luck in your planning.

stopher1
05-10-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm in on this one. We own at AKV, SSR, VGC and Aulani. We'd love to add on at VWL and even OKW... but those have to wait a while.



Here are a few links to each of the various DVC Resort specific threads.... in case anyone has specific questions about a specific resort or wants to dive deeper into their research about that particular resort and hear from other others outside of the DIS Dads.

Animal Kingdom Lodge: ***Official AKV Owners and Lovers Thread*** (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1815576)
Aulani, Resort & Spa: Aulani Owners Thread - Aloha! (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2592238)
Bay Lake Tower: ***Bay Lake Tower Owner's Thread*** (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2027988)
Beach Club Villas: "STORMIN THE BEACH" BCV Owners - and GROUPIES WELCOME HOME! (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2447045&highlight=beach+club+owners)
Boardwalk Villas: The I Love BWV (yes, Hallways and Clown Pool, too!) (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1300921&highlight=boardwalk+owners)
Grand Californian:The Villas at Disney's Grand Californian Owner's & Lovers Group 2.0 (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2592085)
Hilton Head: HHI Roll Call, Adoration & Information Thread 2010 (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2329998)
Old Key West: OKW Lovers Thread !!! (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1375743)
Saratoga Springs: SSR Lovers & Owners Part 2 (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2466719)
Vero Beach: Vero Beach Adoration 2010 Thread... We Need New 2011 Thread...Somebody? (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2344361&highlight=vero+beach+owners)
Wilderness Lodge: VWL Lovers & Groupies Thread: Mees-ka, Mice-ka, MOOSE-kateers (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2714808)

docusmc1
05-10-2011, 09:56 PM
I am one and own at SSR, so I'm in.

AirGoofy
05-10-2011, 10:04 PM
I'm in on this one. We own at AKV, SSR, VGC and Aulani. We'd love to add on at VWL and even OKW... but those have to wait a while.

I knew you we're looking to add on at VWL. I really would like to add on there but DW wants BC or BWV. I see you bought at Aulani. Have a trip planned?

stopher1
05-10-2011, 10:19 PM
I knew you we're looking to add on at VWL. I really would like to add on there but DW wants BC or BWV. I see you bought at Aulani. Have a trip planned?

Not in the sense of having a reservation - but it is on the long-term calendar yes. We're looking at 2013. We only bought enough at this time to do the every 3 plan. Our first points will be this December which we'll bank, so with the borrowing, summer of 2013. But we're cool with that. The airfare every year would kill us, so every 3 is good until the kids are grown and gone.

Mrmrezg
05-11-2011, 12:42 AM
I'm in, we own at BLT and have not stayed there yet. We just bought in last year and our first DVC trip will be in July. We will be staying at AKV Kidani.

trennr
05-11-2011, 08:47 AM
non-DVC guy...but do allot of research on it.

Main hold out reason ---> Maintenance Fees.

scott2997
05-11-2011, 08:54 AM
NON-DVC guy here....but have DVC envy....

My wife is all for it which is a huge plus.

My main debate is - do I purchase a smaller point contract (i.e. 200 points at SSR) and only go over other year to the world (since we always go during high peak season due to mine and the DW's jobs.).

Or do I save money until I can afford that 400 point contact?

I definitely like the cost of the maintenance fees for the 200 pt contract better!

SSR is attractive for the resale cost...since it is less expensive. But I think we would really prefer either BLT or an EPCOT DVC resort.

scott2997
05-11-2011, 09:54 AM
Question for you DVC Dads....Are their any additional yearly fees besides the maintenance for your points? I.E. Taxes etc...

Trying to budget this out...to monthly payment and yearly expenses.

Thanks!

stopher1
05-11-2011, 10:36 AM
Question for you DVC Dads....Are their any additional yearly fees besides the maintenance for your points? I.E. Taxes etc...

Trying to budget this out...to monthly payment and yearly expenses.

Thanks!

Scott, the Annual Dues cover all maintenance costs and property taxes. The only additional fees you would be looking at are transportation costs, food (if you plan to eat), and entertainment (park tickets or whatever you choose to do while using your accomodations).

cj9200
05-11-2011, 10:53 AM
Another DVC owner checking in. We bought at Boardwalk the day it opened.

NON-DVC guy here....but have DVC envy....

My wife is all for it which is a huge plus.

My main debate is - do I purchase a smaller point contract (i.e. 200 points at SSR) and only go over other year to the world (since we always go during high peak season due to mine and the DW's jobs.).

Or do I save money until I can afford that 400 point contact?...

200 isn't a small contract. We first bought 250 points which we found was a good starting point. Spent a lot of time in Studios. We wanted more stays in 1 BRs so I added 50 more.

If you know you are going to buy and you think DVC works for you, I would take the 200 point plunge now. You can always add on smaller contracts. Besides, the one thing we have found is that point prices keep going up.

dadio
05-11-2011, 01:02 PM
Dvc member here......we own @ SSR as well!!

woot..new home here!!

scott2997
05-11-2011, 01:05 PM
Another DVC owner checking in. We bought at Boardwalk the day it opened.



200 isn't a small contract. We first bought 250 points which we found was a good starting point. Spent a lot of time in Studios. We wanted more stays in 1 BRs so I added 50 more.

If you know you are going to buy and you think DVC works for you, I would take the 200 point plunge now. You can always add on smaller contracts. Besides, the one thing we have found is that point prices keep going up.

OK - so I hope I'm not taking over this thread - but I really feel an imminent DVC purchase coming....

Can someone who is a DVC member explain to me about the different membership perks...i.e. discounts on dining plan and park tickets or AP's?

And I'd love to hear from you guys about your favorite resorts...

Oh and has anyone actually bought a DVC without first touring it? I'm thinking that if I do this, I'm going to try to find a resale contract with some booked points to use for my vacation next year so I won't be privy to a tour prior to purchase.

Thanks guys and sorry again for the thread hijacking!

unclescrooge_0707
05-11-2011, 01:12 PM
Question for you DVC Dads....Are their any additional yearly fees besides the maintenance for your points? I.E. Taxes etc...

Trying to budget this out...to monthly payment and yearly expenses.

Thanks!

Scott, the Annual Dues cover all maintenance costs and property taxes. The only additional fees you would be looking at are transportation costs, food (if you plan to eat), and entertainment (park tickets or whatever you choose to do while using your accomodations).

not "emminent", but, I can see me slowly wearing down, so, your questions aren't JUST for you.
I'm not looking for tax advice per se, but,

If DVC is real estate, is it something you have to claim on your federal taxes at the end of the year, or is that also covered by maintenance fees?

(thanks)

AJRitz
05-11-2011, 01:19 PM
not "emminent", but, I can see me slowly wearing down, so, your questions aren't JUST for you.
I'm not looking for tax advice per se, but,

If DVC is real estate, is it something you have to claim on your federal taxes at the end of the year, or is that also covered by maintenance fees?

(thanks)

For now, at least, if you take out a mortgage to finance your DVC purchase then the interest on that mortgage is tax deductible (as long as it's your only vacation home). If you don't take out a mortgage, I do not believe that DVC ownership has any federal tax consequences at all.

stopher1
05-11-2011, 01:36 PM
Can someone who is a DVC member explain to me about the different membership perks...i.e. discounts on dining plan and park tickets or AP's?

First of all - don't consider the purchase based on perks. Those can and do change frequently. They are not guaranteed at all - only being able to reserve accomodations based on availability.

BUT - since you asked - DVC members are eligible to purchase an AP at $100 off the regular price. This is a nice savings, if you plan on going back multiple times within the year's period - or plan on hitting the parks more than 10 days, since it will work out cheaper than a MWY-NE-10D ticket.

We can also purchase the Tables in Wonderland dining discount card at a $25 discount off the regular price - keep in mind this card is regularly only able to be purchased by Florida residents. The TIW will take 20% off the price of meals at many, many table service locations throughout WDW - and it's good on things like appetizers, alcoholic beverages, etc, etc. whereas the DDP is not. The TIW then automatically adds an 18% gratuity... but in the end, that 2% discount, not having to pay the Tip OOP, and being able to pick and choose what you want vs. what the DDP dictates you order... it's a good deal.

DVC members do not get a discount on the DDP for most of the year...though we do get a slight discount in the "peak" periods in that they do not tack on the "Peak Period Upcharge" as they do for everyone else.

Other kinds of discounts include some restaurants at 10-15%, some activities like mini golf, boating, golf, etc at various %'s off, and some shopping discounts... but again - they are various and fluctuating.





Oh and has anyone actually bought a DVC without first touring it? I'm thinking that if I do this, I'm going to try to find a resale contract with some booked points to use for my vacation next year so I won't be privy to a tour prior to purchase.

Thanks guys and sorry again for the thread hijacking!

We bought Aulani without viewing it! :rotfl: We also bought the Grand Californian without viewing the models first... if you are really wanting to see something, there are virtual tours available on DVC's website (http://www.disneyvacationclub.com)

And don't worry about the "hijacking"... this is exactly part of WHY Carl set this thread up in the first place. Helping you & others to get answers to your questions is a delight for all of us who have gone before you.

Mrmrezg
05-11-2011, 01:51 PM
Scott I am a new member and there are a lot of details that I am learning about, so I can't answer all of your questions but I can answer some.

We get about $100 off of annual pass purchases. The dining plans, IMO, aren't discounted. I am paying $79 per adult per day for the deluxe DDP. That is 3 table service and 2 snacks per person/day. Not a bad price for what we are getting. But, we don't get "free" dining if that is what you are looking for.

We did the tour when we bought, walked out with 30 instant fast passes. It was our last day in the parks so I ended up giving them to people on our way out of the park. (they became very happy when I told them what they were). When we did the tour they were pushing BLT & AKV. We bought BLT because the maintenance fees were lower then AKV. DVC have change some policies concerning desalts and some privileges are not available to some resale deals. I am not sure of the details on this but you will want to look into it before you buy.

I hope this helps you.

On a side note I am spending about $3000 for three adults and two children in a deluxe with deluxe DDP and 7 day park hoppers. For the same vacation in a value (ASMu) with the same DDP Disney.com just quoted me $5,267. That is a substantial savings.

scott2997
05-11-2011, 02:07 PM
And don't worry about the "hijacking"... this is exactly part of WHY Carl set this thread up in the first place. Helping you & others to get answers to your questions is a delight for all of us who have gone before you.

Thanks Chris....everyone's input is very helpful.

Right now I think I'm leaning toward a resale purchase knowing that I wouldn't see myself ever transferring out of the standard on-site Disney resorts and the price is cheaper as well.

I like the location of the Beach Club and the prices are less than BLT.

Even though, right now, I'd love to be closer to MK for my girls...I can see, down the road, preferring to be closer to EPCOT and DHS as those two resorts are the ones that interest me the most. Being in walking distance to EPCOT and a Boat away from DHS is very attractive.

So I'm trying to find a contract that already has banked points that can be used for a 2012 vacation. If we vacation in March/April (Spring Break week) each year....would I want a February use year as the most preferred?

Scott I am a new member and there are a lot of details that I am learning about, so I can't answer all of your questions but I can answer some.

We get about $100 off of annual pass purchases. The dining plans, IMO, aren't discounted. I am paying $79 per adult per day for the deluxe DDP. That is 3 table service and 2 snacks per person/day. Not a bad price for what we are getting. But, we don't get "free" dining if that is what you are looking for.

We did the tour when we bought, walked out with 30 instant fast passes. It was our last day in the parks so I ended up giving them to people on our way out of the park. (they became very happy when I told them what they were). When we did the tour they were pushing BLT & AKV. We bought BLT because the maintenance fees were lower then AKV. DVC have change some policies concerning desalts and some privileges are not available to some resale deals. I am not sure of the details on this but you will want to look into it before you buy.

I hope this helps you.

On a side note I am spending about $3000 for three adults and two children in a deluxe with deluxe DDP and 7 day park hoppers. For the same vacation in a value (ASMu) with the same DDP Disney.com just quoted me $5,267. That is a substantial savings.


Thanks! I'd love to get some perks from buying directly - but I think the biggest perk for me is going to be instant savings from buying resale.

Oh...does anyone know about the enforcement of capacity? For example, for a one bedroom at Beach Club, it says it allows for 4 people. Do they ask how many in each room? In other words...if down the road, my SIL would choose to vacation with my wife and 2 daughters, would this be allowed in a 1 bedroom or would we be forced into a 2 bedroom?

stopher1
05-11-2011, 02:15 PM
Oh...does anyone know about the enforcement of capacity? For example, for a one bedroom at Beach Club, it says it allows for 4 people. Do they ask how many in each room? In other words...if down the road, my SIL would choose to vacation with my wife and 2 daughters, would this be allowed in a 1 bedroom or would we be forced into a 2 bedroom?

Over on the actual DVC threads I wouldn't answer a question like this since they are quick to direct everyone into a single "occupancy" thread... but I'll take my chances here for you, since we only have this DVC based thread here in this nice shiny new sub-forum (thanks again Kathy and other mods! :thumbsup2)...

Each of the one bedrooms that are not "officially" for 5 (those that are are BLT, OKW, VGC, AKV, AUL)... only have bedding for 4. But that doesn't mean you can't have a 5th in the room, they just won't provide bedding for that person...or any kind of bed. That being said, enforcement comes with the reservation call to Member Services. Now I have a family of 5, and when I get us a 1 Br and the non-5 resorts... they remind of that no bedding fact, and we move on. We keep an air mattress & sheets in our Owner's Locker for just those resorts. SO.... if you know you're going to have 5, but won't have bedding for that 5th guest... I would recommend using the 7 month window and reserving elsewhere - or just plan on brining some sheets or a sleeping bag along.

P.S> the resorts that do have bedding for 5 have the sleeper chair in addition to the sleeper couch in the living room.

Mrmrezg
05-11-2011, 02:17 PM
DVC allows members to rent up to 24 point, for a fair price. That could help you to get the two bed room when you need it or you can rent the points from another member.

scott2997
05-11-2011, 02:20 PM
Over on the actual DVC threads I wouldn't answer a question like this since they are quick to direct everyone into a single "occupancy" thread... but I'll take my chances here for you, since we only have this DVC based thread here in this nice shiny new sub-forum (thanks again Kathy and other mods! :thumbsup2)...

Each of the one bedrooms that are not "officially" for 5 (those that are are BLT, OKW, VGC, AKV, AUL)... only have bedding for 4. But that doesn't mean you can't have a 5th in the room, they just won't provide bedding for that person...or any kind of bed. That being said, enforcement comes with the reservation call to Member Services. Now I have a family of 5, and when I get us a 1 Br and the non-5 resorts... they remind of that no bedding fact, and we move on. We keep an air mattress & sheets in our Owner's Locker for just those resorts. SO.... if you know you're going to have 5, but won't have bedding for that 5th guest... I would recommend using the 7 month window and reserving elsewhere - or just plan on brining some sheets or a sleeping bag along.

P.S> the resorts that do have bedding for 5 have the sleeper chair in addition to the sleeper couch in the living room.

Thanks Chris! I had a feeling this would be the way it is. Maybe I should be looking at OKW. Only wish it had a walkway to EPCOT!

Any chance that these 4 occupancy 1 bedrooms would be upgraded in the future to accommodate 5?

Do you run into any issues with having 5 in a 4 occupancy room when it comes to tickets or DP?

theduck619
05-11-2011, 02:22 PM
Non DVC owner here. Will be staying at a DVC villa in November and hope to get a better feel for it. Biggest question for us is the maintenance fee's

stopher1
05-11-2011, 02:40 PM
Thanks Chris! I had a feeling this would be the way it is. Maybe I should be looking at OKW. Only wish it had a walkway to EPCOT! I hear you... but the bus ride to Epcot from OKW is not long.


Any chance that these 4 occupancy 1 bedrooms would be upgraded in the future to accommodate 5?

That depends. It is possible. OKW were originally classified as occupancy 4... but the recent refurb of the resort switched out a chair for a sleeper chair and bingo - the occupancy was able to be 5. It might not be as simple with the other resorts, as OKW was/is the DVC resort with the largest square footage per room. Many of the other occupancy 4 rooms are not as spacious, and so just switching out a chair is not as possible. My gut says if they can do it they will, but if not, they won't touch those particular resorts. The nice thing is that all newer resorts are built to accomodate 5.


Do you run into any issues with having 5 in a 4 occupancy room when it comes to tickets or DP?

No. Since they let you put that 5th person in, even though they don't provide bedding, you'll still be able to have a room key and have them on the dining plan. Like other resorts, when you get the DDP with DVC, everyone in the room must be on the plan. One thing I forgot to mention earlier though - with DVC - a nice change that came about this year is that you don't HAVE to get the DDP for every night of your stay if you don't want to. If you want it for only part of your stay, you can segment it.

stopher1
05-11-2011, 02:44 PM
Non DVC owner here. Will be staying at a DVC villa in November and hope to get a better feel for it. Biggest question for us is the maintenance fee's

I hope it goes well for you, and you can see if it is right for your family or not.

The dues were a big thing for us at first as well... but in the long run, my dues are less than what it would cost us to take the family for the type of stays we enjoy - and the typical "cost" of our stays works out to be quite a bit less than a value would be if I were paying cash for the resort. The dues go up each year sure - but so do the cash resort rates. And my dues have gone up at a lesser annual % increase than the cash resort rates have. Together those things far outweigh what I put out in dues each year, and we get lots of great vacation nights at awesome resorts with room to spread out and truly enjoy it. I'd be paying it either way since we continue to go back in to the Disney universe... so I'd either pay it through room rates or dues - and I'd personally rather pay it in dues for larger, more comfortable accomodations than not. That's just my take on the dues; others might have different opinions and that's cool.

scott2997
05-11-2011, 03:08 PM
I hear you... but the bus ride to Epcot from OKW is not long.



That depends. It is possible. OKW were originally classified as occupancy 4... but the recent refurb of the resort switched out a chair for a sleeper chair and bingo - the occupancy was able to be 5. It might not be as simple with the other resorts, as OKW was/is the DVC resort with the largest square footage per room. Many of the other occupancy 4 rooms are not as spacious, and so just switching out a chair is not as possible. My gut says if they can do it they will, but if not, they won't touch those particular resorts. The nice thing is that all newer resorts are built to accomodate 5.



No. Since they let you put that 5th person in, even though they don't provide bedding, you'll still be able to have a room key and have them on the dining plan. Like other resorts, when you get the DDP with DVC, everyone in the room must be on the plan. One thing I forgot to mention earlier though - with DVC - a nice change that came about this year is that you don't HAVE to get the DDP for every night of your stay if you don't want to. If you want it for only part of your stay, you can segment it.

Interesting....on the DVC website it still states the 1 bedroom at OKW is a 4 person room.

I would imagine, if we were DVC owners, we would be better with food too and not need a full DDP. Usually, when we vacation now, we snack for breakfast and pack a lunch and only eat out for dinner. So we may be able to get away with now DDP if we wanted.

I know OKW has a shorter contract length, but it is less expensive because of that - which makes it really attractive...plus having a 5 person occupancy is a big plus as my wife and SIL are attached at the hip (not literally...but you know what I mean). ;)

theduck619
05-11-2011, 03:24 PM
I hope it goes well for you, and you can see if it is right for your family or not.

The dues were a big thing for us at first as well... but in the long run, my dues are less than what it would cost us to take the family for the type of stays we enjoy - and the typical "cost" of our stays works out to be quite a bit less than a value would be if I were paying cash for the resort. The dues go up each year sure - but so do the cash resort rates. And my dues have gone up at a lesser annual % increase than the cash resort rates have. Together those things far outweigh what I put out in dues each year, and we get lots of great vacation nights at awesome resorts with room to spread out and truly enjoy it. I'd be paying it either way since we continue to go back in to the Disney universe... so I'd either pay it through room rates or dues - and I'd personally rather pay it in dues for larger, more comfortable accomodations than not. That's just my take on the dues; others might have different opinions and that's cool.

That is the kind of info we are looking for :thumbsup2

FreezinRafiki
05-11-2011, 03:30 PM
Interesting....on the DVC website it still states the 1 bedroom at OKW is a 4 person room.

I would imagine, if we were DVC owners, we would be better with food too and not need a full DDP. Usually, when we vacation now, we snack for breakfast and pack a lunch and only eat out for dinner. So we may be able to get away with now DDP if we wanted.

I know OKW has a shorter contract length, but it is less expensive because of that - which makes it really attractive...plus having a 5 person occupancy is a big plus as my wife and SIL are attached at the hip (not literally...but you know what I mean). ;)

One of my favorite things about the 1 bedroom villas - full kitchen! Everything that you need is there - pots, pans, utensils, plates, glasses, silverware, full size fridge, stove, oven, microwave & dishwasher. If you bring or rent a car there are several grocery stores 5 minutes away. DVC also offers grocery delivery (the prices are a bit high, but still cheaper than, say a character breakfast). There is also a 3rd party service called Garden Grocer that will deliver. I haven't used them, so I can't speak to their quality or price.

unclescrooge_0707
05-11-2011, 08:09 PM
I have one!
We're a family of 6.
We have a DD, and she's 8 months. So, In POR, all 6 stayed and we were fine (ish).

When would DVC make us move up to a 2 BR?

AirGoofy
05-11-2011, 08:19 PM
Not in the sense of having a reservation - but it is on the long-term calendar yes. We're looking at 2013. We only bought enough at this time to do the every 3 plan. Our first points will be this December which we'll bank, so with the borrowing, summer of 2013. But we're cool with that. The airfare every year would kill us, so every 3 is good until the kids are grown and gone.

Good idea. I know I want to stay in Aulani, but the distance from KY every 3 years is a bit much. We would be more likely to stay at Vero.


NON-DVC guy here....but have DVC envy....

My wife is all for it which is a huge plus.

My main debate is - do I purchase a smaller point contract (i.e. 200 points at SSR) and only go over other year to the world (since we always go during high peak season due to mine and the DW's jobs.).

Or do I save money until I can afford that 400 point contact?

I definitely like the cost of the maintenance fees for the 200 pt contract better!

SSR is attractive for the resale cost...since it is less expensive. But I think we would really prefer either BLT or an EPCOT DVC resort.

I would buy where you think you would be happy. SSR is nice, but if you want a MK resort, then you won't like SSR. It is cool to take a monorail into the parks.

stopher1
05-11-2011, 08:54 PM
I have one!
We're a family of 6.
We have a DD, and she's 8 months. So, In POR, all 6 stayed and we were fine (ish).

When would DVC make us move up to a 2 BR?

Yes you were fine(ish) at POR... but for how long? Once that 8 moDD gets past three you'll be out of luck at POR anyway.

Yes, with a party of 6 in DVC you would need a 2 BR. It's a sad reality. That or just go with 2 regular cash rooms - or if they fit 6 (I'm not sure) one of the Family Suites at All Star Music, or the under construction Art of Animation resort next to POP.

stopher1
05-11-2011, 08:58 PM
One of my favorite things about the 1 bedroom villas - full kitchen! Everything that you need is there - pots, pans, utensils, plates, glasses, silverware, full size fridge, stove, oven, microwave & dishwasher. If you bring or rent a car there are several grocery stores 5 minutes away. DVC also offers grocery delivery (the prices are a bit high, but still cheaper than, say a character breakfast). There is also a 3rd party service called Garden Grocer that will deliver. I haven't used them, so I can't speak to their quality or price.

Mine too Barry! We love making meals in the room. We've made all three types of meals - and don't just limit them to quick and easy. We love grilling - so we've done burgers & brats, but also chicken and steaks. In the kitchen we've also done stuff like spaghetti, pizza, tacos, all variety of breakfast foods - we've even baked our own cake.

In addition to the DVC grocery delivery, and Garden Grocer (we have used them), there's also a company called WeGoShop that will deliver as well. With WeGoShop, you contact them and set up a list - and they will shop where you tell them to shop - even use coupons for you, if you provide the coupons. The prices are what they pay in the stores, but the delivery charge is fairly hefty plus a tip. With Garden Grocer, you order from their website, with a fairly wide variety of things. The prices are what they post, but the delivery charge is more nominal - free if you hit a certain spend level.

scott2997
05-12-2011, 04:59 PM
Any DVD Dads interested in renting some points to me?

I'm entertaining the option of renting points for a Studio in BLT for 3/31/12-4/7/12 I believe it would run around 176 points or so.

Mrmrezg
05-12-2011, 06:13 PM
Any DVD Dads interested in renting some points to me?

I'm entertaining the option of renting points for a Studio in BLT for 3/31/12-4/7/12 I believe it would run around 176 points or so.

I may be able to help you out there. I have banked points (186) that I don't plan to use. But I have never rented points so I am not real sure about how to do it. I'd like to hook you up.

scott2997
05-12-2011, 06:35 PM
I may be able to help you out there. I have banked points (186) that I don't plan to use. But I have never rented points so I am not real sure about how to do it. I'd like to hook you up.

Just sent you a PM. :thumbsup2<---thumb

RAlexander84
05-13-2011, 10:57 PM
I have been looking into renting some points for our trip in 2012 to stay at AKV. Been looking at the Savannah view studio, anybody know if this is actually part of the villas or just a special part of the lodge or what?

dvczerfs
05-14-2011, 05:31 AM
dvc? whats that? stopher, you do a great job at explaining everything about dvc. i nominate you the disdads dvc spoke person!! (i have little red x for my smilies for some reason so heres a big thumbs up!!)

AirGoofy
05-14-2011, 07:28 AM
I have been looking into renting some points for our trip in 2012 to stay at AKV. Been looking at the Savannah view studio, anybody know if this is actually part of the villas or just a special part of the lodge or what?

They are all in same area. AKL has rooms for cash guests and villas. They're types of villas - value, standard, savannah view, club concierge, in studio, 1 br, 2 br, or GV. Think of it as 2 semi-circle hotels located in football end zones with the playing field as savannah. The two hotels are Jambo House and Kidani Village. You will have a savannah view at either hotel. Kidani advantages are the 1st bus stop to parks (not DTD), splash park & bigger water slide, Sanaa restaurant is there, and the 1 br and above have an extra bathroom. Jambo was the first built and has a bigger pool, kids water slide, QS at Mare, Jiko, and Boma restaurants. The values are only at Jambo and are less points, but smaller and views of parking lot. The others are same number of points.

RodBelding
05-14-2011, 11:09 PM
I've been debating the DVC membership for a while now. We go about every year, and stay in deluxes most of the time, but I still can't get past the down payment. Would love to hear from current owners about why it makes fiscal sense... Thanks guys...

dadio
05-15-2011, 09:12 AM
well your gonna save going re-sale, but your gonna need the $$ or a home equity line of credit/personal loan, ect......If your tapped in those regards, Disney will be the bank and finance you directly, and from what I read , they are pretty generious on who they finance


now as a fer-instance....we are going next month....my father has been talking about taking all the grandkids there when they get older...now we love disney, so we bought into it SIGHT UNSEEN....we actually came into a little bit of cash and used it....but the upcoming trip was the main reason we bought in...now with 15 people, a grand villa and a deluxe studio for a week, would have cost $10500 for the week,which is about half of what we paid for our contract..granted we are using up all of this yrs and next yrs points for the trip, but it will be worth it....and if we are jonesing to go next yr, we can borrow a bit from 2013....now that isn't taking into account we will pay about $1200-$1300 a yr in fees...but I feel that it is a good deal...plus our rooms are taken care of till 2042!

AirGoofy
05-15-2011, 09:31 AM
I've been debating the DVC membership for a while now. We go about every year, and stay in deluxes most of the time, but I still can't get past the down payment. Would love to hear from current owners about why it makes fiscal sense... Thanks guys...

We did resale the 1st time through Time Share Store, and they were great. You have to find the right contract (where you want to stay, UY, # points). Look at how many points you would need for your stay and fund a resale contract that meets it. Once you own a DVC, you can add on points in increments of 25 w no financing or 50 w financing through WDW. You may be able to get a resale contract for around $7500 or less. The financial piece for us was that we own outright, bought 1 add on contract for BLT. And, since we go every year (or twice), we spend less time at parks and more enjoying the resort.

RodBelding
05-15-2011, 06:23 PM
We did resale the 1st time through Time Share Store, and they were great. You have to find the right contract (where you want to stay, UY, # points). Look at how many points you would need for your stay and fund a resale contract that meets it. Once you own a DVC, you can add on points in increments of 25 w no financing or 50 w financing through WDW. You may be able to get a resale contract for around $7500 or less. The financial piece for us was that we own outright, bought 1 add on contract for BLT. And, since we go every year (or twice), we spend less time at parks and more enjoying the resort.

Thanks! That's helpful, I'll look into the Time Share Store.

One more Q; didn't Disney change the perks you get if you buy resale as opposed to through Disney recently? Anyone know what the changes were?

dadio
05-15-2011, 06:43 PM
pretty sure the big perk to change, is the ability to swap out your points into RCI.....which would be using your timeshare to stay in say las vegas or the like.....if you plan on just using @ the world, I do not believe anything has changed...
I'm sure stopher will chime, he is def. more knowledgeable than I..

AirGoofy
05-15-2011, 07:03 PM
Thanks! That's helpful, I'll look into the Time Share Store.

One more Q; didn't Disney change the perks you get if you buy resale as opposed to through Disney recently? Anyone know what the changes were?

Yes. If you buy resale now, then you cannot exchange those points for Cruise or other adventure collection. I did not think the exchange points for either was a great deal as you had an exchange fee associated with that. I bought DVC to stay at WDW, and maybe a trip to Vero Beach or Hilton Head (DVC resorts) every now and then. From talking with others, DVC has taken perks away over the years and increased the price of points.

dlhvac
05-15-2011, 08:01 PM
at one time the ap was free to dvc:surfweb:

stopher1
05-16-2011, 09:35 AM
I've been debating the DVC membership for a while now. We go about every year, and stay in deluxes most of the time, but I still can't get past the down payment. Would love to hear from current owners about why it makes fiscal sense... Thanks guys...

For us it makes a lot of sense, in that a) we go regularly anyway and are going to pay to stay; b) we are a family of 5, and those dinky traditional hotel rooms don't work for us and I don't want to pay for 2 rooms or get the "quasi" suite at ASMusic. True, there are annual dues to be paid with any timeshare - not just DVC. So true, I'm paying something each year, but the reality is, that I am paying much less per year for my multiple vacations than I would be by paying cash - even if I had a nice discounted rate. When I figure my cost analysis, I end up getting a week's worth of VALUE nights for 2.5 weeks worth of DELUXE level accomodations. I spread the cost of tickets out over 2 years with AP's (at a nice discounted price) and we eat IN the room a LOT, so our meals cost is diminished. With 5 trips to to the World and 3 trips to the Land last year... I would never be able to afford all of that at rack or even slightly discounted cash rates.

Thanks! That's helpful, I'll look into the Time Share Store.

One more Q; didn't Disney change the perks you get if you buy resale as opposed to through Disney recently? Anyone know what the changes were?

pretty sure the big perk to change, is the ability to swap out your points into RCI.....which would be using your timeshare to stay in say las vegas or the like.....if you plan on just using @ the world, I do not believe anything has changed...
I'm sure stopher will chime, he is def. more knowledgeable than I..

Yes. If you buy resale now, then you cannot exchange those points for Cruise or other adventure collection. I did not think the exchange points for either was a great deal as you had an exchange fee associated with that. I bought DVC to stay at WDW, and maybe a trip to Vero Beach or Hilton Head (DVC resorts) every now and then. From talking with others, DVC has taken perks away over the years and increased the price of points.

at one time the ap was free to dvc:surfweb:

THere have been a few misconceptions here and yes, I will step in and respond. So the BIG change that went into effect on March 20, 2011 with DVC is this...

... points that are purchased on the RESALE market (vs. direct from DVC) are no longer eligible to be used for the DISNEY COLLECTION of resorts - i.e. the WDW Resorts, DL Resorts, Disney Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney. They ARE still eligible to be used/traded out with RCI and any other collection available. This only affected contracts that closed AFTER March 20th - so everyone with an existing re-sale contract prior to that date was grandfathered in and can still use their points for a Disney Collection stay. Resale points going forward are ineligible for stays at any Disney Collection offering - but they CAN still be used at non-Disney locales within the RCI network (such as Las Vegas, Europe, Hawaii, etc)

One of the big rumors swirling in the DVC community is some sort of a pending "Tiered" Loyalty program that DVC is coming up with... only time will tell on that front, but by stripping away the ability to use those resale points for at least one classification of "trade" offerings within the DVC system... it's a pretty safe bet to say that more changes are coming.

DVC can and does change the perks offered fairly regularly. DON'T buy in for the perks. They are nice - but just that... perks. All you are buying are accomodations for the next 40-50 years. Period.

I first looked at DVC back in 1991 when it was brand new, and again in 1994 on our honeymoon. I wasn't able to join until 2007 - but sure wish I'd been able to do so early on. The first few years, DVC gave "Length of Stay" Tickets that were good through the year 2000, which as I understand them, were a ticket good for the number of nights associated with an individual trip, but I recall reading/hearing of some kind of cap on the number of entries per calendar year...so while like an AP, it wasn't a true AP good for 365 days. And with that, I cannot say definitively whether AP's have ever been free or not... but everyone that I've spoken with that joined during the 1990s have all said that AP's have never been free, and I've never been able to find anything in print about such a claim. The AP's have been discounted by $100 for the past several years, and those of us on the DVC boards hope and pray it continues - because like any other perk - they can take it away in a heartbeat.

cj9200
05-16-2011, 12:03 PM
What Christopher said. Plus I will add this. I am able to invite friends and family to stay with us. I don't charge them for the room but they usually buy a dinner or a souvenir for DD. One trip, I took both sets of Grandparents with us for a couple of days to celebrate DD's 4th birthday. 4 of the 6 adults on that rip are no longer with us but we have the memories and pictures to relive the fun we had.

I can also get rooms that there is no way I could regularly afford even if they were available. Took a mega trip with DD and 6 of her friends for her Sweet 16. We stayed in a Grand Villa that would have cost us a gazillion dollars.

RodBelding
05-16-2011, 12:05 PM
THere have been a few misconceptions here and yes, I will step in and respond. So the BIG change that went into effect on March 20, 2011 with DVC is this...

... points that are purchased on the RESALE market (vs. direct from DVC) are no longer eligible to be used for the DISNEY COLLECTION of resorts - i.e. the WDW Resorts, DL Resorts, Disney Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney. They ARE still eligible to be used/traded out with RCI and any other collection available. This only affected contracts that closed AFTER March 20th - so everyone with an existing re-sale contract prior to that date was grandfathered in and can still use their points for a Disney Collection stay. Resale points going forward are ineligible for stays at any Disney Collection offering - but they CAN still be used at non-Disney locales within the RCI network (such as Las Vegas, Europe, Hawaii, etc)

One of the big rumors swirling in the DVC community is some sort of a pending "Tiered" Loyalty program that DVC is coming up with... only time will tell on that front, but by stripping away the ability to use those resale points for at least one classification of "trade" offerings within the DVC system... it's a pretty safe bet to say that more changes are coming.

DVC can and does change the perks offered fairly regularly. DON'T buy in for the perks. They are nice - but just that... perks. All you are buying are accomodations for the next 40-50 years. Period.

I first looked at DVC back in 1991 when it was brand new, and again in 1994 on our honeymoon. I wasn't able to join until 2007 - but sure wish I'd been able to do so early on. The first few years, DVC gave "Length of Stay" Tickets that were good through the year 2000, which as I understand them, were a ticket good for the number of nights associated with an individual trip, but I recall reading/hearing of some kind of cap on the number of entries per calendar year...so while like an AP, it wasn't a true AP good for 365 days. And with that, I cannot say definitively whether AP's have ever been free or not... but everyone that I've spoken with that joined during the 1990s have all said that AP's have never been free, and I've never been able to find anything in print about such a claim. The AP's have been discounted by $100 for the past several years, and those of us on the DVC boards hope and pray it continues - because like any other perk - they can take it away in a heartbeat.

That's really helpful, thanks for the response. Based on the above, I guess it makes much more sense to buy from Disney direct now, so that we can trade into other Disney resorts (which is all we'd really do anyway). Good to know.

Thanks again!

FreezinRafiki
05-16-2011, 12:17 PM
That's really helpful, thanks for the response. Based on the above, I guess it makes much more sense to buy from Disney direct now, so that we can trade into other Disney resorts (which is all we'd really do anyway). Good to know.

Thanks again!

Just to be clear, the DISNEY COLLECTION that Stopher is talking about are current non-DVC Disney World Resorts like the Poly, the Grand Floridian, the Contemporary, etc and other Disney Properties such as the Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney.
No matter where or when you buy your points (from Disney or from the resale market) you can still use them at any of the DVC resorts on property (Old Key West, Saratoga Springs, Bay Lake Towers, Boardwalk, Beach Club Villas, Animal Kingdom Villas, Villas atWilderness Lodge) or the off-site locations (Hilton Head, Vero Beach, Aulani in Hawii, Villas at Disneyland's Grand Californian)

stopher1
05-16-2011, 12:24 PM
That's really helpful, thanks for the response. Based on the above, I guess it makes much more sense to buy from Disney direct now, so that we can trade into other Disney resorts (which is all we'd really do anyway). Good to know.

Thanks again!

You're welcome.

That change is something DVC made banking on trying to drive more sales direct rather than resale. It really isn't so bad at WDW, but can be a real problem if someone wants to stay at VGC at DL... being the smallest DVC resort in the system with only 50 rooms, many get shut out and need to book @ the DLH or the PPH, but with this change can't do that any more at all. If you're a points cruiser too, you'd be out of luck.

stopher1
05-16-2011, 12:40 PM
Just to be clear, the DISNEY COLLECTION that Stopher is talking about are current non-DVC Disney World Resorts like the Poly, the Grand Floridian, the Contemporary, etc and other Disney Properties such as the Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney.
No matter where or when you buy your points (from Disney or from the resale market) you can still use them at any of the DVC resorts on property (Old Key West, Saratoga Springs, Bay Lake Towers, Boardwalk, Beach Club Villas, Animal Kingdom Villas, Villas atWilderness Lodge) or the off-site locations (Hilton Head, Vero Beach, Aulani in Hawii, Villas at Disneyland's Grand Californian)

Good point of clarification Barry, thanks. I did mean the non-DVC resorts, moderate and above with NO DVC componentattached... so that would be excluding the Contemporary, Wilderness Lodge, Beach Club, Boardwalk & AKV at WDW and the Grand Californian at DL.

The Disney Collection includes: Disney Cruise Line, Adventures by Disney, DL Paris, Tokyo DL, Hong Kong DL, DL proper in CA (except for the Grand Cal) and the following WDW resorts... Carribean Beach, Coronado Springs, Port Orleans, polynesian, Grand Floridian, and the Ft Wilderness resort. To stay at any of these requires a trade-out fee of $95 per reservation (except the DL hotels), and the points required are fairly high compared to the DVC resorts.

trennr
05-16-2011, 12:50 PM
So the BIG change that went into effect on March 20, 2011 with DVC is this...points that are purchased on the RESALE market (vs. direct from DVC) are no longer eligible to be used for the DISNEY COLLECTION of resorts - i.e. the WDW Resorts, DL Resorts, Disney Cruise Line and Adventures by Disney.

That change is something DVC made banking on trying to drive more sales direct rather than resale. It really isn't so bad at WDW, but can be a real problem if someone wants to stay at VGC at DL... being the smallest DVC resort in the system with only 50 rooms, many get shut out and need to book @ the DLH or the PPH, but with this change can't do that any more at all. If you're a points cruiser too, you'd be out of luck.

Ouch!!! That hurts the resale market. Unless there is a price drop in the resale market?

Seems a little harsh since Disney does not offer a "Buy back" program...where people can unload a DVC if they financially could not afford the property anymore. DVC Resale is the only method for those people to get out of that.

DVC Resale also offers a great value for those who are interested in DVC, but are not in "a rush" to get in. Before the only reason (for me anyway) to buy directly from DVC would be if time was an issue...or simply if you could not find a newer property via Resale Market (i.e. Aulani).

While typing all this a thought occoured to me.

What if smeone bought say 200pts via resale at SSR...then they bought 200pts at BLT from DVC total of 400 pts...how would DVC look at that as far as if you wanted to use points on a Cruise. Could you use all 400pts then or could you use only the 200pts from the DVC direct purchased property?:confused3 ( I think I know the answer...and I already don't like it.)

stopher1
05-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Ouch!!! That hurts the resale market. Unless there is a price drop in the resale market?

Seems a little harsh since Disney does not offer a "Buy back" program...where people can unload a DVC if they financially could not afford the property anymore. DVC Resale is the only method for those people to get out of that.

DVC Resale also offers a great value for those who are interested in DVC, but are not in "a rush" to get in. Before the only reason (for me anyway) to buy directly from DVC would be if time was an issue...or simply if you could not find a newer property via Resale Market (i.e. Aulani).

While typing all this a thought occoured to me.

Youíre right Nate, it is a bit harsh, IMO, but as Ebeneezer Scrooge might say, ďItís business!Ē As far as I can tell, DVC sees the secondary market as a necessary evil, and from what I can tell through casual observance, is the resale market has taken on a huge life that DVC never truly anticipated, or desired. So in a means to squash it down a bit, theyíre taking steps to ensure their own continued viability instead of anyone elseís. Itís not customer friendly to not have a buy-back program, but honestly, they probably donít care if an owner cannot use their points Ė what they care about most is selling more points and keeping their profits flowing. Even if they have to foreclose and take a contract back, they can turn around and resell it for a profit. The company has gotten very, VERY used to the cash that DVC has continued to bring in shoring up the bottom line, even through the recession, and one of the primary reasons why most new construction over the past decade has been DVC related only. A harsh reality of the mouse it is.


What if smeone bought say 200pts via resale at SSR...then they bought 200pts at BLT from DVC total of 400 pts...how would DVC look at that as far as if you wanted to use points on a Cruise. Could you use all 400pts then or could you use only the 200pts from the DVC direct purchased property?:confused3 ( I think I know the answer...and I already don't like it.)

If those 200 SSR resale points were purchased prior to March 20, 2011 cut-off date Ė then all 400 including the BLT points purchased direct could be used for any Disney Collection trade. If not, then only the 200 BLT purchased direct could be used for a Disney Collection trade.

AirGoofy
05-16-2011, 02:59 PM
Disney also has a ROFR policy that effects the resale market. That said, if I try to sell Barry my DVC for $5.00, then Disney has the right to buy it back before I sell it to Barry,then sell that to Barry for whatever the current price is. If you look on EBay, you see timeshares for $1.00, but not DVC. Sometimes, that is out of annual dues, but Disney resales are effected by ROFR and a time limit on the time share.

brattosa
05-17-2011, 07:13 PM
Late joining in on the thread but we're SSR owners, too. It took us about 6 years to finally get past the initial shock of the cost and think of the long term value and savings. On our 2007 trip, we stopped by the Frontierland kiosk and spoke with a DVC person who was a former AK Tumble Monkey (that was a hoot). It was our last day of our trip so we sat through the presentation at Exposition Hall that afternoon and then had to leave to pack for home so we didn't have time for the resort tour. We ended up buying into DVC SIGHT UNSEEN! Our first trip "home" was last summer to a two bedroom villa in the Paddock. We walked in and our jaws dropped. Watching the DVDs, viewing YouTube room tours and reading the threads gave us an idea of what we had bought into but WOW!!! We were amazed at the space and amenities and we're looking forward to our second trip "home" next December for the Christmas holidays (any hints on making sure we get a room during that season???)

unclescrooge_0707
05-19-2011, 07:54 AM
I can also get rooms that there is no way I could regularly afford even if they were available. Took a mega trip with DD and 6 of her friends for her Sweet 16. We stayed in a Grand Villa that would have cost us a gazillion dollars.

That was a great trip report, by the way.

ospopo5
05-19-2011, 09:36 AM
DVC member at BLT. Taking our first trip home in August!

I have a great guide that can work with you if you are looking direct from Disney. He is direct from Doorway to Dreams here and can really help you figure eveyrthing out.

He worked with us for over 2 years until we were able to make the purchase. Very responsive, owns DVC himself and has a family he takes on multiple vacations there.

If you want to talk it through with him send me a message and I can put you in touch.

We have a very small contact (special promotion) but are already wanting to up the points soon! Getting that addonitis.

DisneyDadC
05-20-2011, 02:26 PM
looking forward to our second trip "home" next December for the Christmas holidays (any hints on making sure we get a room during that season???)

just book your home resort at the 11 month :thumbsup2 window and then waitlist a differnt one if you want.You should have no problems.:thumbsup2

naf917
05-20-2011, 06:23 PM
just book your home resort at the 11 month :thumbsup2 window and then waitlist a differnt one if you want.You should have no problems.:thumbsup2

That is what we usually do. We are going in November and we booked SSR at 11 month and then at 7 we were on the waitlist for BLT. Our waitlist matched in about 2 weeks.

DisneyDadC
05-25-2011, 05:16 AM
Permit for a GF DVC was pulled ?

cj9200
05-25-2011, 06:54 AM
Permit for a GF DVC was pulled ?

That is the rumor I heard on a couple of sites. Construction trailers may be moving in soon.

Gary Pinkos
05-28-2011, 08:32 AM
Hello:
My wife and I purchased 270 points at the Disney Vacation Club (now Old Key West) in 1993. At that time we were a family of 3. We expanded to a family of 5 and just last year we added 100 points at OKW.

When we purchased in 1993, we often stayed in studio. This allowed us to go often.

After we became a larger family, we would stay in a one or two bedroom, we always drove from PA. This would allow us to go to supermarket and Wal-Mart to buy food & supplies. We often did not open or close the parks. As the kids started school, our habits changed as well and we found ourselves going every year in late August (less crowded after southern schools go back - our PA schools don't start till after Labor day).

Although we still are going in August, the last few years we now fly, use Disney's magical express and we get two studio's. This way we get a little more out of our points and the wife and I have more privacy.

Over the last almost 20 years, owning DVC has given us the flexibility that we needed as a growing family. If we had to pay cash, we would have never planned and saved to go to Disney almost every year, and we would have never gone twice in any given year.

This year we are doing a 4 night Dream Cruise in August, then staying at Bay Lake Tower for 6 more nights.

Next July, we are planning on taking two other families with our family, and borrowing points from 2013. I just love the flexibility that DVC has given us.

AirGoofy
05-28-2011, 06:57 PM
Hello:
My wife and I purchased 270 points at the Disney Vacation Club (now Old Key West) in 1993. At that time we were a family of 3. We expanded to a family of 5 and just last year we added 100 points at OKW.

When we purchased in 1993, we often stayed in studio. This allowed us to go often.

After we became a larger family, we would stay in a one or two bedroom, we always drove from PA. This would allow us to go to supermarket and Wal-Mart to buy food & supplies. We often did not open or close the parks. As the kids started school, our habits changed as well and we found ourselves going every year in late August (less crowded after southern schools go back - our PA schools don't start till after Labor day).

Although we still are going in August, the last few years we now fly, use Disney's magical express and we get two studio's. This way we get a little more out of our points and the wife and I have more privacy.

Over the last almost 20 years, owning DVC has given us the flexibility that we needed as a growing family. If we had to pay cash, we would have never planned and saved to go to Disney almost every year, and we would have never gone twice in any given year.

This year we are doing a 4 night Dream Cruise in August, then staying at Bay Lake Tower for 6 more nights.

Next July, we are planning on taking two other families with our family, and borrowing points from 2013. I just love the flexibility that DVC has given us.

You don't miss the jacuzzi? Like you, we drive and do studio stays - Fall Break & Spring Break. We did a 1 br and I loved the space, laundry, and jacuzzi.

Gary Pinkos
05-29-2011, 07:45 AM
You don't miss the jacuzzi? Like you, we drive and do studio stays - Fall Break & Spring Break. We did a 1 br and I loved the space, laundry, and jacuzzi.

Well......in a way, thats my point. Now we go from morning till night at the parks, we go to a pool mid day or shopping at different resorts.

AirGoofy
05-29-2011, 08:18 AM
Well......in a way, thats my point. Now we go from morning till night at the parks, we go to a pool mid day or shopping at different resorts.

Yeah, we still go commando, not just everyday. I guess if I could afford more points, we'd do a 1 BR every trip. But, we do parks or MNSSHP 1 day and enjoy the resort or DTD the next day. There is just so much to do. And, the pools and hot tub are empty at night. The in room laundry was still really convenient.

dvczerfs
05-31-2011, 11:05 AM
ok, the other week we were talking about dvc on the main disdad thread. i said i would look into my info.and post it. well, now we have a thread for disdad dvc so ill post it here.:thumbsup2 this is how my numbers come out, remember, the points dont change. if they add a point here, they have to take a point away somewere else. so the points are worth the same today as they were in 1999 when i joined than what they will be in 2041.
purchase 400pts. @ $56 per point. = $25000.
$25000.00 divided by 42 years = $600.00 per year
dues and taxs are $1962.00 per year.
grand total per year = $2562.00
dvc takes the dues out of my checking every month at $164.00 thats $42 per week.
so, for $2562.00 per year, i can spend 400 points per year for 42 years.
you can look at a dvc points chart to see what you can do with 400 points per year.
like other people have said, its not for everyone but i just wanted to post my info. so you can see how i made up my mind to buy in and why i did it.i hope i could help someone.:thumbsup2

trennr
05-31-2011, 12:38 PM
ok, the other week we were talking about dvc on the main disdad thread. i said i would look into my info.and post it. well, now we have a thread for disdad dvc so ill post it here.:thumbsup2 this is how my numbers come out, remember, the points dont change. if they add a point here, they have to take a point away somewere else. so the points are worth the same today as they were in 1999 when i joined than what they will be in 2041.
purchase 400pts. @ $56 per point. = $25000.
$25000.00 divided by 42 years = $600.00 per year
dues and taxs are $1962.00 per year.
grand total per year = $2562.00
dvc takes the dues out of my checking every month at $164.00 thats $42 per week.
so, for $2562.00 per year, i can spend 400 points per year for 42 years.
you can look at a dvc points chart to see what you can do with 400 points per year.
like other people have said, its not for everyone but i just wanted to post my info. so you can see how i made up my mind to buy in and why i did it.i hope i could help someone.:thumbsup2

:thumbsup2 Good info Dave. :thumbsup2

Though I think it is not for me...it is that low hanging fruit that I want to take a bite of.

I have 2 big issues with DVC. Which if I can resolve I would probably buy in...that is when I can financially afford it.

1] once I plop down $25k (per example) I feel I should be done...or Maintenance fees should be less...yes I understand they include taxes...and are a necessary evil of maintaining the resort...but $5/point...that seems a bit much too me...So maybe I can justify this one...a little...still think the fees are too high.

2] DVC has an expiration date...I know allot of the newer ones will not expire until after I do...and my children will be advanced in years by then also....but still...does one really "own" it if it expires...seems more like I'm leasing something for a number of years...I don't think I would ever feel the "ownership" part of it...and in leasing...I do not feel I should be liable for the taxes...which leads back to #1.

:sad2: Curse you analytical non-impulsive brain. :sad2:

RodBelding
05-31-2011, 12:43 PM
So, as I posted on another thread, we just put down our deposit on BLT, so I'm pretty stoked...

My question for you DVC gurus is this; We'll be heading down next year for a week with a 4 year old and a 1 year old and are debating where we want to stay. We've already stayed at BLT and Boardwalk, so we wanted to try a new resort. Our top 2 picks right now are Beach Club and Animal Kingdom. I think I'm leaning towards BC because of the convenience to DHS and Epcot, I enjoy walking to both, but the theming at AK seems great for us and the kids. My fear with AK is the buses as I can be very impatient (:sad2:) and think I'd get tired of waiting...

So any thoughts or suggestions between the 2 (or votes for one I didn't include)? All comments, even ones mocking/taunting/berating me will be appreciated! :thumbsup2

AJRitz
05-31-2011, 01:06 PM
:thumbsup2 Good info Dave. :thumbsup2

Though I think it is not for me...it is that low hanging fruit that I want to take a bite of.

I have 2 big issues with DVC. Which if I can resolve I would probably buy in...that is when I can financially afford it.

1] once I plop down $25k (per example) I feel I should be done...or Maintenance fees should be less...yes I understand they include taxes...and are a necessary evil of maintaining the resort...but $5/point...that seems a bit much too me...So maybe I can justify this one...a little...still think the fees are too high.

2] DVC has an expiration date...I know allot of the newer ones will not expire until after I do...and my children will be advanced in years by then also....but still...does one really "own" it if it expires...seems more like I'm leasing something for a number of years...I don't think I would ever feel the "ownership" part of it...and in leasing...I do not feel I should be liable for the taxes...which leads back to #1.

:sad2: Curse you analytical non-impulsive brain. :sad2:

I don't own DVC, but as to these two questions, I think you're being distracted by red herrings. As to the specifics of your questions:

1) Maintenace fees - If you own your house, you still have to maintain it. Not only do plumbing and wiring and roofs and other items need periodic repairs, but with a DVC resort your maintenance fees are also helping to pay for periodic room and resort refurbishments. The fees need to be considered in the context of the overall cost. If it's too much, than the package is too expensive. But pulling the maintenance fees out for independent consideration isn't particularly logical. Would you rather have a 42-year-old space that hadn't been repaired or updated over that length or time?

2) The concept of DVC "ownership". You DO own something. You own an interest in a time-share resort. You do NOT own a building. Or even a piece of a building. The reason that ownership matters is that when you own a time-share interest, you can do things with it that you can't do if you're a renter. You can rent your points to someone else if you're not going to use them - at whatever price you choose to set (and can find a buyer to pay). You can sell your ownership interest. DVC retains a right of first refusal, but all that really does is establish a floor price for your interest - even if the market for sales is bad, Disney will help prop up the value of your interest by preventing fire sale pricing. As you mentioned, when you die, if there are still years remaining on your DVC contract, you can pass that interest on to whomever you please.

Long-term real estate leases are VERY common in other parts of the world, just less so in the United States, which is why it seems strange to you. In Israel, there is almost no private land ownership. Land is "owned" by the government, but individuals purchase 99-year leases and build structures on that land - and then pay taxes on the value of those improvements.

Whether you feel you should be liable for real estate taxes on a time share ownership interest is sort of a moot point. I don't know of any time in U.S. history, under any administration of any political stripe, that did not hold leasehold owners (which is essentially what time share owners are) responsible for taxes of some sort.

trennr
05-31-2011, 03:38 PM
Thanks Aaron for your thoughtful and enlightening response.

To the question at the end of #1...I understand that the fees help maintain the resort...still doesn't detract from the fact that I think they are too high...
Also I thik pulling maintenance fees out as a separate item is logical...as you say it is part of the overall cost...but it is the part of the cost which is not easily calculated...considering that the fees increase typically at 2-3% every year...but then there were years like in 2003 where they went up 5-8% across the board.

For example say I was an original DVC owner back in 1991 with 400 pts...my fees would been 1021.50...now 20 years later I'm paying 1992.00...

95% increase...that's hard to plan for or calculate...not saying 20 years from now I might not be in a better place to compensate that...but still not sure how you could say it is not logical...as it is a major consideration...at least for me.

Please don't think I'm picking nits...I appreciate your input.

Oh...and here's the data I'm working from...

Year OKW BWV VB HHI VWL BCV SSR AKV BLT VGC AKO
2011 4.98 5.46 6.78 5.68 5.34 5.28 4.51 5.01 3.89 4.07 4.31
2010 4.87 5.36 6.61 5.57 5.20 5.15 4.46 4.95 3.78 3.94
2009 4.73 5.21 6.41 5.36 5.04 5.00 4.34 4.85 3.67 3.82
2008 4.56 5.04 6.04 5.16 4.87 4.80 4.21 4.71
2007 4.40 4.85 5.63 4.98 4.73 4.63 4.12 4.62
2006 4.24 4.69 5.27 4.34 4.61 4.48 3.98
2005 3.86 4.41 4.87 3.86 4.35 4.27 3.83
2004 3.68 4.25 4.67 3.70 4.22 4.18 3.80
2003 3.49 4.11 4.37 3.69 4.05 3.97
2002 3.22 3.92 4.17 3.49 3.80 3.77
2001 3.13 3.83 3.98 3.32 3.63
2000 3.16 3.94 4.07 3.25 3.62
1999 3.16 4.02 3.99 3.18
1998 3.17 3.94 3.20
1997 3.14 3.84 3.16
1996 2.99 3.70 3.16
1995 2.84
1994 2.70
1993 2.63
1992 2.56
1991 2.51

trennr
05-31-2011, 03:54 PM
Year OKW BWV VB HHI VWL BCV SSR AKV BLT VGC
2011 3.3% 1.8% 2.5% 1.9% 2.8% 2.4% 1.1% 1.3% 3.1% 3.3%
2010 2.9% 2.8% 3.1% 3.8% 3.2% 3.0% 2.9% 1.9% 2.9% 3.1%
2009 3.7% 3.4% 6.1% 3.8% 3.6% 4.2% 3.1% 3.3%
2008 3.7% 3.9% 7.3% 3.7% 2.9% 3.6% 2.2% 2.0%
2007 3.8% 3.4% 6.8% 14.7% 2.6% 3.3% 3.5%
2006 9.8% 6.3% 8.2% 7.4% 6.0% 4.9% 3.9%
2005 4.9% 3.8% 4.3% 4.7% 3.1% 2.2% 0.8%
2004 5.4% 3.4% 7.1% 4.3% 4.2% 5.3%
2003 8.4% 4.8% 4.6% 6.3% 6.6% 5.3%
2002 2.9% 2.6% 5.0% 4.8% 4.7%
2001 -0.9% -3.0% -2.7% 2.2% 0.3%
2000 0.0% -2.0% 2.3% 2.2%
1999 -0.3% 2.0% -0.6%
1998 1.0% 2.6% 1.3%
1997 5.0% 3.8% 0.0%
1996 5.3%
1995 5.2%
1994 2.7%
1993 2.7%
1992 2.0%

AJRitz
05-31-2011, 04:05 PM
Thanks Aaron for your thoughtful and enlightening response.

To the question at the end of #1...I understand that the fees help maintain the resort...still doesn't detract from the fact that I think they are too high...
Also I thik pulling maintenance fees out as a separate item is logical...as you say it is part of the overall cost...but it is the part of the cost which is not easily calculated...considering that the fees increase typically at 2-3% every year...but then there were years like in 2003 where they went up 5-8% across the board.

For example say I was an original DVC owner back in 1991 with 400 pts...my fees would been 1021.50...now 20 years later I'm paying 1992.00...

95% increase...that's hard to plan for or calculate...not saying 20 years from now I might not be in a better place to compensate that...but still not sure how you could say it is not logical...as it is a major consideration...at least for me.

Please don't think I'm picking nits...I appreciate your input.

Oh...and here's the data I'm working from...

Year OKW BWV VB HHI VWL BCV SSR AKV BLT VGC AKO
2011 4.98 5.46 6.78 5.68 5.34 5.28 4.51 5.01 3.89 4.07 4.31
2010 4.87 5.36 6.61 5.57 5.20 5.15 4.46 4.95 3.78 3.94
2009 4.73 5.21 6.41 5.36 5.04 5.00 4.34 4.85 3.67 3.82
2008 4.56 5.04 6.04 5.16 4.87 4.80 4.21 4.71
2007 4.40 4.85 5.63 4.98 4.73 4.63 4.12 4.62
2006 4.24 4.69 5.27 4.34 4.61 4.48 3.98
2005 3.86 4.41 4.87 3.86 4.35 4.27 3.83
2004 3.68 4.25 4.67 3.70 4.22 4.18 3.80
2003 3.49 4.11 4.37 3.69 4.05 3.97
2002 3.22 3.92 4.17 3.49 3.80 3.77
2001 3.13 3.83 3.98 3.32 3.63
2000 3.16 3.94 4.07 3.25 3.62
1999 3.16 4.02 3.99 3.18
1998 3.17 3.94 3.20
1997 3.14 3.84 3.16
1996 2.99 3.70 3.16
1995 2.84
1994 2.70
1993 2.63
1992 2.56
1991 2.51


Oh, I don't disagree that the issue of maintenance costs being variable is a legitimate concern. But I guess my point is that maintenance costs for anything you own are variable, and they increase over time due to inflation and because the older the infrastructure gets, the more extensive/expensive the repair bills get. Bigger jumps are usually occassioned by natural disasters like hurricanes, or the insurance premiums that jump after a hurricane. If you had fixed maintenance costs, you would have a situation whereby the older a DVC resort was, the worse condition it would be in.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI Inflation calculator, DVC maintenance rates have run just slightly ahead of inflation nationally (which makes some since, because inflation in Florida has been somewhat higher than the national average). Just adjusting for inflation, the $1021.50 paid for maintenance in 1991 would have to be $1686.80 just to break even (not even allowing for the aging infrastructure issue). Here's the simple calculator I used: Bureau of Labor Statistics (http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm)

dvczerfs
05-31-2011, 04:43 PM
i agree that the main. cost go up but, when i bought into dvc, the reason i looked into it, a night at car. beach,when it opened, i paid $65 per night. they had a special for $49 per night. how much is a night at the car. beach now and what is the perc. of increase in there for room rates? you cant bet on 40 percent room discounts. car. beach in october during a week day is $164 per night for a standard room and $190 for a weekend. if your lucky you can take another 30 percent off that. when you rent a hotel room, your paying the tax's, maint, cm wages and insurance. to me, the increases in maint are a wash between dvc and a disney hotel room.im willing to bet there pretty close to each other. i get a copy of the budget for my resort and were the money goes. another point people tend to forget is a room at the car. beach is not a one bedroom at okw or baylake tower. thats why its hard to compare numbers. you have to compare what your getting for your money.another point is meals, i spend alot of money on food staying in a hotel room. if i wanted to, we can go to okw for 11 nights and go shopping at the publix for $150.00 and feed the three of us for 11 days. when i stay at the contemp. i put $40 in the washers and dryers. at okw, the washer and dryers are in the room. i get $100 off my ann. pass's. you have to look at the entire pkg.,add what your trips are going to cost and see were you fall out. remember, apples for apples. i can sleep in my van in a rest stop and eat cheatos for a week and spend less than any disney discount but im not compairing apples for apples. just so ya know, i only talk about this topic here on the disdads because i know im talking to a great bunch of guys who i feel we can talk about anything and not get beat up for it.

dvczerfs
05-31-2011, 05:05 PM
ok, heres some numbers!! i dug out my bill from 1999. my fees were $1575. in 1999. now, in 2011 they are $1962. that is $397 more in 12 years. that is an increase of $33.00 per year. i spend 20 nights at the world in a year, thats $1.65 per night? am i looking at this correctly??:confused3 help me out, im an un educated orphan. i have the bills out, i can send them to you if you dont believe me. :lmao:

AirGoofy
05-31-2011, 06:36 PM
So, as I posted on another thread, we just put down our deposit on BLT, so I'm pretty stoked...

My question for you DVC gurus is this; We'll be heading down next year for a week with a 4 year old and a 1 year old and are debating where we want to stay. We've already stayed at BLT and Boardwalk, so we wanted to try a new resort. Our top 2 picks right now are Beach Club and Animal Kingdom. I think I'm leaning towards BC because of the convenience to DHS and Epcot, I enjoy walking to both, but the theming at AK seems great for us and the kids. My fear with AK is the buses as I can be very impatient (:sad2:) and think I'd get tired of waiting...

So any thoughts or suggestions between the 2 (or votes for one I didn't include)? All comments, even ones mocking/taunting/berating me will be appreciated! :thumbsup2

We've almost stayed at all the WDW DVC resorts. I really liked AK, but nothing beats the convenience of BLT, VWL, or BC/ BW for park convenience. Our dds are older now, and I wish we could have pushed the stroller to a close resort and not fold it up on the bus.

cj9200
05-31-2011, 06:47 PM
:thumbsup2 Good info Dave. :thumbsup2

Though I think it is not for me...it is that low hanging fruit that I want to take a bite of.

I have 2 big issues with DVC. Which if I can resolve I would probably buy in...that is when I can financially afford it.

1] once I plop down $25k (per example) I feel I should be done...or Maintenance fees should be less...yes I understand they include taxes...and are a necessary evil of maintaining the resort...but $5/point...that seems a bit much too me...So maybe I can justify this one...a little...still think the fees are too high.

2] DVC has an expiration date...I know allot of the newer ones will not expire until after I do...and my children will be advanced in years by then also....but still...does one really "own" it if it expires...seems more like I'm leasing something for a number of years...I don't think I would ever feel the "ownership" part of it...and in leasing...I do not feel I should be liable for the taxes...which leads back to #1.

:sad2: Curse you analytical non-impulsive brain. :sad2:

Nate, I agree with you a bit on maintenance fees. It is a bother but it is what it is. I donít think they are exorbitant and modestly increase yearly. The point about the increase in rack rate is important. For what I pay in dues increases is offset by the increases in non-DVC rack rates. There is no way that I can go as many times I do or stay in in nicer rooms in deluxe resorts if I had to pay out of pocket. I hate timeshares but love DVC and it is the only timeshare I own or will own.

So, as I posted on another thread, we just put down our deposit on BLT, so I'm pretty stoked...

My question for you DVC gurus is this; We'll be heading down next year for a week with a 4 year old and a 1 year old and are debating where we want to stay. We've already stayed at BLT and Boardwalk, so we wanted to try a new resort. Our top 2 picks right now are Beach Club and Animal Kingdom. I think I'm leaning towards BC because of the convenience to DHS and Epcot, I enjoy walking to both, but the theming at AK seems great for us and the kids. My fear with AK is the buses as I can be very impatient (:sad2:) and think I'd get tired of waiting...

So any thoughts or suggestions between the 2 (or votes for one I didn't include)? All comments, even ones mocking/taunting/berating me will be appreciated! :thumbsup2

Congrats again on the DVC membership. Welcome Home.

With the age of your kids, I would say BLT. If you have to try someplace new and location is the top priority then BCV. Very close to Epcot and a bit of a hike (but doable) to MGM. Both are great resorts and you will enjoy either. Busses no matter where you stay can be hit of miss but mostly OK.

AirGoofy
05-31-2011, 07:00 PM
All of you are much smarter than I, but here is my money $.02. To qualify, we are studio people. We have tried the 1 BR and they are wonderful. But, we prefer 2 weeks a year at studio than 1 week at 1 BR.

Before DVC, we did 1 week per year in a value or moderate. We did theme parks commando everyday, DP, and waited in line for the buses at end of day. With DVC, we don't do DP, use DVC discount, and eat where and what we want (app, no dessert). We don't do theme parks everyday, and enjoy the resort activities and community hall.

When you count annual dues, we end up spending the same amount of money. So, as long as we do theme parks, we won't be saving any substantial money. Now, if we end up doing a no parks trip, which may be possible in the next 40+ years, then we may have more savings.

We have been able to stay in nicer resorts for the same as before. For us, DVC makes cents for that reason. Also, I think it is better to purchase a small contract resale market outright and avoid the large, up front costs. Once you own, you can buy direct thru Disney with as add-ons as you want in 25 point increments.

brattosa
05-31-2011, 08:33 PM
So, as I posted on another thread, we just put down our deposit on BLT, so I'm pretty stoked...

My question for you DVC gurus is this; We'll be heading down next year for a week with a 4 year old and a 1 year old and are debating where we want to stay. We've already stayed at BLT and Boardwalk, so we wanted to try a new resort. Our top 2 picks right now are Beach Club and Animal Kingdom. I think I'm leaning towards BC because of the convenience to DHS and Epcot, I enjoy walking to both, but the theming at AK seems great for us and the kids. My fear with AK is the buses as I can be very impatient (:sad2:) and think I'd get tired of waiting...

So any thoughts or suggestions between the 2 (or votes for one I didn't include)? All comments, even ones mocking/taunting/berating me will be appreciated! :thumbsup2

Between the two resorts, I'd go with Beach Club as you said, due to vicinity of the parks. I've heard AK is great as long as you can get a savanna view and not one of the parking lot.

brattosa
05-31-2011, 08:59 PM
It took us looking at the DVC kiosk info over three trips before we decided to get more details in the presentation on the last day of another trip. We ended up buying into SSR sight unseen. We went through the same discussions around the initial hit to the checkbook and how to budget in the maintenance fees. After we got over the initial shock of the amount of money we were looking at spending, we started digging into whether it was the right thing for us to do.

For us, we tend to visit WDW every 2 years and usually stay at Pop Century with maybe a surprise last night at the Contemporary. Knowing our touring history, we bought into DVC with enough points for a 2-bedroom villa for each of those trips. Sure, it costs a lot more than our stays at Pop, but we get so much more for our money. The addition of a significantly larger room, about 3x the bathroom space in the master bath, a jacuzzi tub, free internet, a washer/dryer and a full kitchen really made the difference. Although cooking full meals while on vacation isn't really our thing, we do tend to eat breakfast in the room which reduces park costs.

As already mentioned, the maintenance fees are a necessary evil with any property "owned", DVC home or our primary one. We receive a copy of our resort's budget and can see how those fees are allocated. For instance, this year SSR is getting an expansion of a pool with a quick service restaurant and re-painted buildings and rooms.

DVC isn't the right solution for everyone, but it works quite well for us. :thumbsup2

Gary Pinkos
05-31-2011, 09:12 PM
We purchased DVC in 1993. We have used our 270 points at OKW many many times, and our family of 5 has taken two Disney cruises. I doubt I would have planned out these visits if I was paying cash. We took 7 years to pay off those 270 points and I just have gotten used to paying those dues every month.......but after all these fine vacations......if I sold my 270 points today I would make a profit on the point sale. Now I know that this will change over the years.....but after almost 18 years I still think this was one of the best (monetary & family) investments we have ever made.

RodBelding
06-01-2011, 08:47 AM
We've almost stayed at all the WDW DVC resorts. I really liked AK, but nothing beats the convenience of BLT, VWL, or BC/ BW for park convenience. Our dds are older now, and I wish we could have pushed the stroller to a close resort and not fold it up on the bus.


Congrats again on the DVC membership. Welcome Home.

With the age of your kids, I would say BLT. If you have to try someplace new and location is the top priority then BCV. Very close to Epcot and a bit of a hike (but doable) to MGM. Both are great resorts and you will enjoy either. Busses no matter where you stay can be hit of miss but mostly OK.

Between the two resorts, I'd go with Beach Club as you said, due to vicinity of the parks. I've heard AK is great as long as you can get a savanna view and not one of the parking lot.

Thanks guys. I think you've helped convince me for BC. Maybe we'll try a savanna view AK at our 2013 stay for a couple nights...:thumbsup2

billybobblockhead
06-01-2011, 09:40 PM
OK - so I hope I'm not taking over this thread - but I really feel an imminent DVC purchase coming....

Can someone who is a DVC member explain to me about the different membership perks...i.e. discounts on dining plan and park tickets or AP's?

And I'd love to hear from you guys about your favorite resorts...

Oh and has anyone actually bought a DVC without first touring it? I'm thinking that if I do this, I'm going to try to find a resale contract with some booked points to use for my vacation next year so I won't be privy to a tour prior to purchase.

Thanks guys and sorry again for the thread hijacking!

I'm late to the party, but DW and I purchased w/o touring and sight unseen. Just appealed to us, and our conversations with the DVC folks were some of the most non-pressure talks that I've ever had with anyone in sales. They didn't push us at all. In fact, it was just the opposite; they were trying to slow us down.

Interesting....on the DVC website it still states the 1 bedroom at OKW is a 4 person room.

I would imagine, if we were DVC owners, we would be better with food too and not need a full DDP. Usually, when we vacation now, we snack for breakfast and pack a lunch and only eat out for dinner. So we may be able to get away with now DDP if we wanted.

I know OKW has a shorter contract length, but it is less expensive because of that - which makes it really attractive...plus having a 5 person occupancy is a big plus as my wife and SIL are attached at the hip (not literally...but you know what I mean). ;)

You are correct on the food. The 1BR is great for making your own meals. We've done the DDP for our trip in a couple of weeks, but only for a couple or 3 nights.

ok, the other week we were talking about dvc on the main disdad thread. i said i would look into my info.and post it. well, now we have a thread for disdad dvc so ill post it here.:thumbsup2 this is how my numbers come out, remember, the points dont change. if they add a point here, they have to take a point away somewere else. so the points are worth the same today as they were in 1999 when i joined than what they will be in 2041.
purchase 400pts. @ $56 per point. = $25000.
$25000.00 divided by 42 years = $600.00 per year
dues and taxs are $1962.00 per year.
grand total per year = $2562.00
dvc takes the dues out of my checking every month at $164.00 thats $42 per week.
so, for $2562.00 per year, i can spend 400 points per year for 42 years.
you can look at a dvc points chart to see what you can do with 400 points per year.
like other people have said, its not for everyone but i just wanted to post my info. so you can see how i made up my mind to buy in and why i did it.i hope i could help someone.:thumbsup2

I'm just kicking myself for not buying in earlier. We're minimum buy in folks, but really want to add on another 50-75 points so that we can have a little more flexibility.

DEA
06-03-2011, 03:21 PM
Hey guys,

I have a couple of questions about the Animal Kingdom Resorts DVC properties, mainly with regard to concierge level.

1. Has anybody stayed in one of these DVC rooms? How was the experience? Mainly looking in order to take advantage of the Sunrise Safari perk, although I do enjoy me a nice CL...

2. Is there a CL lounge at AKV, or do you have to trek to Jambo House?

AirGoofy
06-10-2011, 05:06 PM
I received my lithograph for viewing the Aulani Webinar. The webinar was OK, but the lithograph is cool. It has it's own authenticity statement as well. I need to have them framed. I'll include a pic when I get them done.

RodBelding
06-10-2011, 09:01 PM
I received my lithograph for viewing the Aulani Webinar. The webinar was OK, but the lithograph is cool. It has it's own authenticity statement as well. I need to have them framed. I'll include a pic when I get them done.

There was a lithograph for viewing that? Did you have to do something to have it sent? I watched that webinar but didn't see anything about that...

AirGoofy
06-10-2011, 09:19 PM
There was a lithograph for viewing that? Did you have to do something to have it sent? I watched that webinar but didn't see anything about that...

I thought that as well. But, there was nothing to click. I watched it in May on a Tuesday when we had primary elections, and it just arrived the other day when I posted that.

cj9200
06-10-2011, 09:28 PM
Got mine in the mail today. Ditto with watching the video with no info or way to respond on getting a litho. It is pretty cool.

RodBelding
06-21-2011, 07:03 PM
Quick question for you DVC vetrans;

We're planning our first big trip in Sept 2012, so I will be calling in Oct. to book BLT for the week and then 7 months out to see if I can get BC. However, I am now tentatively planning on a 3 night stay in January 2012 as well to run the marathon. I called today and tried to get 3 nights in a Boardwalk studio for the time period, but it wasn't available, so I went on the wait list for it. We want BW because the points are cheaper and won't impact the Sept trip if we get 3 nights in a regular studio there...

So my question is, are the odds of getting your wait list request good? I know its a busier weekend because of the marathon, but seeing as it was 7 months out (almost) I thought something would be available...

AirGoofy
06-22-2011, 08:06 PM
Quick question for you DVC vetrans;

We're planning our first big trip in Sept 2012, so I will be calling in Oct. to book BLT for the week and then 7 months out to see if I can get BC. However, I am now tentatively planning on a 3 night stay in January 2012 as well to run the marathon. I called today and tried to get 3 nights in a Boardwalk studio for the time period, but it wasn't available, so I went on the wait list for it. We want BW because the points are cheaper and won't impact the Sept trip if we get 3 nights in a regular studio there...

So my question is, are the odds of getting your wait list request good? I know its a busier weekend because of the marathon, but seeing as it was 7 months out (almost) I thought something would be available...

We were able to get BWV at Spring Break in a standard view. It was not Easter week. I'm not sure about the time of year you're looking at, but I found it better to call MS as opposed to WL. I was able to get what I was searching for when I called, but never had a WL go thru. I would do a WL, but call every so often after window opens and see if you can get it.

com_op_2000
06-22-2011, 08:21 PM
OKW owner here since '93.
2nd best investment DW and I made, behind DD college fund.
We would have never been able to go to Disney often as we do without DVC. It has allowed us to travel multiple DCLs, concierge collection trips including Miami (Doral, played Blue Monster) and Ashville, North Carolina, and RCI and II exchanges. I am different than most in that I believe that I paid off DVC within the first three years of ownership, so DW and I have been taking free trips, except maintenance fees, since then. We go where we want each year and will continue to do so.

DisneyDadC
06-23-2011, 03:29 PM
Quick question for you DVC vetrans;

We're planning our first big trip in Sept 2012, so I will be calling in Oct. to book BLT for the week and then 7 months out to see if I can get BC. However, I am now tentatively planning on a 3 night stay in January 2012 as well to run the marathon. I called today and tried to get 3 nights in a Boardwalk studio for the time period, but it wasn't available, so I went on the wait list for it. We want BW because the points are cheaper and won't impact the Sept trip if we get 3 nights in a regular studio there...

So my question is, are the odds of getting your wait list request good? I know its a busier weekend because of the marathon, but seeing as it was 7 months out (almost) I thought something would be available...

Wait list do come through alot,however I also find it better to just call MS every so often to check .

DisneyDadC
06-23-2011, 03:31 PM
any updates on the new pool at SSSR?? I will be at the BWV in july and want to go over and check out the new pool at my home resort.Just wondering if any one down there recently has any news on it.

RodBelding
06-23-2011, 07:42 PM
We were able to get BWV at Spring Break in a standard view. It was not Easter week. I'm not sure about the time of year you're looking at, but I found it better to call MS as opposed to WL. I was able to get what I was searching for when I called, but never had a WL go thru. I would do a WL, but call every so often after window opens and see if you can get it.

Wait list do come through alot,however I also find it better to just call MS every so often to check .

Good advice, thanks guys! :thumbsup2

AirGoofy
06-23-2011, 09:19 PM
any updates on the new pool at SSSR?? I will be at the BWV in july and want to go over and check out the new pool at my home resort.Just wondering if any one down there recently has any news on it.

The water is in. We own at SSR too. Check out link in signature. Close to last page talks about new pool open, and maybe pics there as well.

AirGoofy
06-23-2011, 09:22 PM
OKW owner here since '93.
2nd best investment DW and I made, behind DD college fund.
We would have never been able to go to Disney often as we do without DVC. It has allowed us to travel multiple DCLs, concierge collection trips including Miami (Doral, played Blue Monster) and Ashville, North Carolina, and RCI and II exchanges. I am different than most in that I believe that I paid off DVC within the first three years of ownership, so DW and I have been taking free trips, except maintenance fees, since then. We go where we want each year and will continue to do so.

Now, you really aren't taking free trips. You may not do TP tickets (although U can't figure out how you could not), but you still have the transport and meal costs. We really like our DVC as well. Ours is paid (no loan) and we will enjoy the DVC resorts for many years.

Greysword
06-23-2011, 11:27 PM
Quick question for you DVC vetrans;

We're planning our first big trip in Sept 2012, so I will be calling in Oct. to book BLT for the week and then 7 months out to see if I can get BC. However, I am now tentatively planning on a 3 night stay in January 2012 as well to run the marathon. I called today and tried to get 3 nights in a Boardwalk studio for the time period, but it wasn't available, so I went on the wait list for it. We want BW because the points are cheaper and won't impact the Sept trip if we get 3 nights in a regular studio there...

So my question is, are the odds of getting your wait list request good? I know its a busier weekend because of the marathon, but seeing as it was 7 months out (almost) I thought something would be available... It may be unlikely, but not impossible. I say that; because, the BWV standard view rooms are prime for owners. Also, this is a popular time for the EPCOT resorts (especially for Food & Wine, which is Sept 30th).

I agree with calling. Even if the waitlist would come through, calling may enable you to get a jump on a canceled room. If you call once or twice a month then once per week closer to the trip, it may help. Of course, it's mainly luck, so Good Luck! :thumbsup2

- Chris

unclescrooge_0707
07-05-2011, 12:05 PM
HEY!
if this question is answered someplace else, i'm happy to look up the info myself.

but, here goes:

DW and I want to bring a few friends to WDW that are tentative at best next may. we are CONSIDERING renting DVC points for a 2 bedroom. If the friends can go, we'll have room. If they can't, our budget for the room doesn't change.

NEXT: how does Dining work with DVC? if we buy 4 days of park tickets, but stay for 7 days, how many TS meals do we get? I was under the impression is would be 6 (one for each night of my stay), but I wanted to ask to make sure. Also, if your DVC point are Rented, can you even BUY a dining plan?

thanks guys! (i'm really hoping Stopher checks in... this seems something right up his alley...)

AirGoofy
07-05-2011, 07:45 PM
HEY!
if this question is answered someplace else, i'm happy to look up the info myself.

but, here goes:

DW and I want to bring a few friends to WDW that are tentative at best next may. we are CONSIDERING renting DVC points for a 2 bedroom. If the friends can go, we'll have room. If they can't, our budget for the room doesn't change.

NEXT: how does Dining work with DVC? if we buy 4 days of park tickets, but stay for 7 days, how many TS meals do we get? I was under the impression is would be 6 (one for each night of my stay), but I wanted to ask to make sure. Also, if your DVC point are Rented, can you even BUY a dining plan?

thanks guys! (i'm really hoping Stopher checks in... this seems something right up his alley...)

You can still purchase any DP while on DVC and it is on the # nights stay. With DVC, you could get 2 reservations, link them, and only buy DP for 1 of the 2 reservations. As for purchase, I'm not sure if you call to add it or if the DVC owner does. Also, there was talk of purchasing DP so many days prior to arrival. Good luck.

prattpak
07-06-2011, 02:37 PM
*ATTENTION EVERYONE* Ok just mostly the DVC owning Disdads. I need atleast 4-5 volunteers for the DVC podcast on Thursday the 21st of July @ 9pm CST. Please feel free to email me at my screen name @disdads.com. Thank you Gentlemen.....we know return you to regularly scheduled banter.

DisneyDadC
07-06-2011, 03:16 PM
*ATTENTION EVERYONE* Ok just mostly the DVC owning Disdads. I need atleast 4-5 volunteers for the DVC podcast on Thursday the 21st of July @ 9pm CST. Please feel free to email me at my screen name @disdads.com. Thank you Gentlemen.....we know return you to regularly scheduled banter.

oh wow the night before I leave for Disney.I mite be able to jump in on this one

prattpak
07-11-2011, 10:13 AM
Carl,
Im putting you in as a backup in case someone else has to bail out. Alot of pressure and added crap to do the night before you go friend.
Other then that I got enough volunteers. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE RESPONSES!!

DisneyDadC
07-11-2011, 08:17 PM
Carl,
Im putting you in as a backup in case someone else has to bail out. Alot of pressure and added crap to do the night before you go friend.
Other then that I got enough volunteers. THANK YOU ALL FOR THE RESPONSES!!

ok Cause we are tinkering with leaving a few days earlier now.

DisneyDadC
07-26-2011, 10:35 PM
Any Dad going to the world soon look for Dvc items to be on sale. They are phasing out some of the old stuff to introduce the new Dvc logo items.

AirGoofy
07-29-2011, 04:19 PM
Any Dad going to the world soon look for Dvc items to be on sale. They are phasing out some of the old stuff to introduce the new Dvc logo items.

I have a stack of the "free" DisDad's hats from WHW with the old logo. We got a new hat this year, but it was not the new DisDad logo. It was still white, with a red body outline of Mickey. It was nice for a change.

rescuetink
07-30-2011, 12:54 AM
Joining in here!! We own at BLT, purchased on our 2009 DCL trip!!!

I have a stack of the "free" DisDad's hats from WHW with the old logo. We got a new hat this year, but it was not the new DisDad logo. It was still white, with a red body outline of Mickey. It was nice for a change.

How can I get one?? Where we were in WDW last year we were told the best selection of items was at SSR and we were very disappointed!! I have one shirt I like, a golf style shirt, but I haven't looked at the website in awhile to see what they have!! I'd love to get my hands on one of your hats if your looking to sell them off!!!

AirGoofy
08-02-2011, 06:21 PM
Joining in here!! We own at BLT, purchased on our 2009 DCL trip!!!



How can I get one?? Where we were in WDW last year we were told the best selection of items was at SSR and we were very disappointed!! I have one shirt I like, a golf style shirt, but I haven't looked at the website in awhile to see what they have!! I'd love to get my hands on one of your hats if your looking to sell them off!!!

Just to clarify, the old hats?

panixx
08-04-2011, 03:36 PM
Something I have not been able to find info on......does anyone know what the average yearly income is of DVC owners?

DisneyDadC
08-04-2011, 08:12 PM
Something I have not been able to find info on......does anyone know what the average yearly income is of DVC owners?

I dont think you would ever be able to find out this info.

panixx
08-04-2011, 09:02 PM
I dont think you would ever be able to find out this info.

Didnt figure I would be able to.....I can wish though LOL. I was just curious to see if people have been able to be DVC owners and not make $100,00+ a year.

stopher1
08-04-2011, 09:06 PM
Didnt figure I would be able to.....I can wish though LOL. I was just curious to see if people have been able to be DVC owners and not make $100,00+ a year.

Without a lot of details, yes, it is possible. I know several members personally who are certainly under that threshold.

DisneyDadC
08-04-2011, 09:07 PM
Didnt figure I would be able to.....I can wish though LOL. I was just curious to see if people have been able to be DVC owners and not make $100,00+ a year.

Well that I can anwer for you..... YES... I know several people that own DVC and dont make $100k a yr.

dvczerfs
08-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Didnt figure I would be able to.....I can wish though LOL. I was just curious to see if people have been able to be DVC owners and not make $100,00+ a year.

when we bought in ,we made alot less than 100k.:thumbsup2

patkingpin
08-05-2011, 03:21 PM
Alright Disdads, here we go. My wife and I took the DVC tour on our 2007 honeymoon trip and fell in love.
We stayed at the Beach Club Villas on our honeymoon and got hooked. We went back the next year with friends. Fast forward to this year and we are driving down with our daughter and mother in law and staying at.....Coronado Springs? Houston, I see a problem. Not really a problem since I am going to love it there, but why am I not staying at Beach Club? Well, we didn't buy DVC in 2007 and still haven't pulled the trigger.
My question is this, we love Beach Club. We want Beach Club. We need to go direct through Disney for various reasons though. How realistic would this be to accomplish even if it meant being on a wait list or a while?
Thoughts?

AirGoofy
08-05-2011, 09:33 PM
Didnt figure I would be able to.....I can wish though LOL. I was just curious to see if people have been able to be DVC owners and not make $100,00+ a year.

DW and I both work and we don't make a 100K a year. But, we did DVC originally resale and then add on thru Disney. We own our DVC outright, but took many years to save the $. Other than Disney vacations, we follow the Dave Ramsey steps.

dvczerfs
08-09-2011, 09:38 AM
last night, i was just buzzing around the dif. sites and see all these people saying the deal they got w/ free dining etc... so just for fun, i wanted to see what disneys best shot at a deal for the two trips i take a year. ive been a dvc member for 12 years and realy dont follow the "deals" anymore but i thought this was funny:
trip #1...11 nights... 1 bedroom at okw....2 adults....month of september....
free dining...10 day base tickets... ($5787.00)
trip #2...8 nights...studio at okw...2 adults......month of sept....
free dining...9 day base tickets.. ($3386.00)
the free dining, non dvc trips with hotel, food, park tickets is a grand total of $9173.00 total for both trips.
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everything the same, same trips,same adults,same rooms,same number of nights,some resort. the only dif. is we buy aps, not base tickets so we can park hop, here are the numbers:

dvc initial investment per year w/ an. dues per year ($2562.00)
2 adult aps per year. ($1000.00)

thats a total of ........ $3562.00 for my two trips PLUS FOOD (and still left dvc points on the table.)

i pay cash for our meals, we have an adr everyday we are there. most are dinners and 2 breakfast at cp in the mk. we do some food shopping for lunch meat, cereal etc.. when we get there to eat in th villa.
i dont feed quarters in the washer and dryers and wait in line for them. i dont have to go to the food court and fight off the six hundred kids to get to a soda machine with my free disney mug to get a drink at 9pm at night. i just go to my fridg.
i just have to chuckle at the people who tell me they do better at finding disney discounts and bounce back codes than i did buying into dvc.

afwdwfan
08-09-2011, 09:51 AM
the free dining, non dvc trips with hotel, food, park tickets is a grand total of $9173.00 total for both trips.
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thats a total of ........ $3562.00 for my two trips PLUS FOOD (and still left dvc points on the table.)


So what you're saying is that you spend less than $5600 on food??? :lmao::rotfl2::rotfl:

It really does make sense, the math doesn't lie. It is a lot of money to tie up though and with DW not wanting to go to WDW every year... well, I just have to dream.:lmao: Maybe one of these days...

AJRitz
08-09-2011, 09:57 AM
So what you're saying is that you spend less than $5600 on food??? :lmao::rotfl2::rotfl:

It really does make sense, the math doesn't lie. It is a lot of money to tie up though and with DW not wanting to go to WDW every year... well, I just have to dream.:lmao: Maybe one of these days...

With the ability to bank and borrow points, as well as to rent points to others, DVC can still be a value, even if you only go every other year. If I had the cash for the upfront cost, I'd be buying DVC now. I'd probably start with a secondary market BWV contract (it's near the end of the budget year, so DVC seems to be letting sales go through at lower prices than they might prefer. I've seen posts of BWV contracts going for $45/pt and less, and getting through ROFR).

AirGoofy
08-09-2011, 12:25 PM
Giggity. Ownage.

I'm with you on DP. 10 years ago, the DP included appetizer and gratuity. Now, it does not. I added it up - if you pay item for item, then the DP has value. But, I don't like those choc cake desserts at QS and would not normally order them. Plus, my family would to have an app with TS as opposed to 4 individual desserts. For us, the DP is not a value.

As for ownership, the math is not quite so favorable for new members. The cost of points is significantly higher, and the perks are almost non existent. Plus, the point chart allocations have changed quite often in recent years, and no other WDW resort takes as few points as OKW. I am happy with the current amount of points we own (outright) and may add-on as the dds get older and we need more room. A 1 BR with 2 bathrooms sounds good.

Greysword
08-09-2011, 01:20 PM
last night, i was just buzzing around the dif. sites and see all these people saying the deal they got w/ free dining etc... so just for fun, i wanted to see what disneys best shot at a deal for the two trips i take a year. This may not be the best comparison, Dave, since most people who visit WDW won't rent DVC rooms. There is also a fairly steep difference between many Deluxe hotels (CR, Poly, YC, BC, etc) and DVC room prices. It is probably more accurate to compare a hotel where you may stay if the DVC resorts weren't even built. Our family would likely be in a moderate instead of the great deluxes of DVC (BTW, we are a 1BR family all the way :thumbsup2 <---thumb :lmao:). Even compared to the moderates, we come out ahead, since we take full advantage of the kitchen by eating 80% of our meals in the room (which is an important consideration, especially if free dining is accounted for in the rack rates). :)


Alright Disdads, here we go. My wife and I took the DVC tour on our 2007 honeymoon trip and fell in love.

My question is this, we love Beach Club. We want Beach Club. We need to go direct through Disney for various reasons though. How realistic would this be to accomplish even if it meant being on a wait list or a while?
Thoughts? It is definitely possible, but it will likely take a long time to get the deal done. However, it seems DVD does execute their Right of First Refusal power to get points for BCV to resell. If you want it relatively soon, you may need to consider resale (which would be cheaper by price point, despite loosing the ability to trade into the various "collections").

Good Luck!

dvczerfs
08-09-2011, 01:38 PM
i did the same thing for animal. same dates etc... free dining number gets bumped to almost $10500. points for okw is 335 animal is 348.
i looked back on my 1999 points chart: sorry only okw and bv at that time. one bedroom,standard view at bwv in 1999 was 162 points in 2011-2012 its 154 points. 2 bedroom 1999 was 222 points and in 2011 its 220. now, dont flame it, those points popped up in bwv points chart somewhere else. they can move a point here or there from season to season but they cant add. i have 400 points so im still under the radar. you will see as time goes, as a newer member, the numbers will start working out for you as well im sure. when we joined the rooms were alot less than they are so it didnt look this good. thats my point.:thumbsup2

dvczerfs
08-09-2011, 02:08 PM
This may not be the best comparison, Dave, since most people who visit WDW won't rent DVC rooms. There is also a fairly steep difference between many Deluxe hotels (CR, Poly, YC, BC, etc) and DVC room prices. It is probably more accurate to compare a hotel where you may stay if the DVC resorts weren't even built. Our family would likely be in a moderate instead of the great deluxes of DVC (BTW, we are a 1BR family all the way :thumbsup2 <---thumb :lmao:). Even compared to the moderates, we come out ahead, since we take full advantage of the kitchen by eating 80% of our meals in the room (which is an important consideration, especially if free dining is accounted for in the rack rates). :)


It is definitely possible, but it will likely take a long time to get the deal done. However, it seems DVD does execute their Right of First Refusal power to get points for BCV to resell. If you want it relatively soon, you may need to consider resale (which would be cheaper by price point, despite loosing the ability to trade into the various "collections").

Good Luck!

just comparing apples to apples on my vacations. rooms, tickets etc... thats what the numbers would be if i still wanted to vacation without being a member at those places,, for that amount of time. could i afford it? no :lmao: when we joined, i wasnt sure we could swing the cost of dvc and taking the trips. dw said if it came down to it, we could go shopping when we got there and eat all our meals in the room. i just stayed at the contemp in the tower in june for 8 nights mk view. spent $2800 for the room, ate every meal out and had to carry my wet laundry through the 4th floor because chef mickey visitors had the elevators tied up. at the contemp you must take the elevator to the rooms, no stairs or esc.,and spent $30 in the washer and dryers. i only made the post to compare my stays and for my party size. there are alot of factors and many price ranges of rooms. point being how far my $3500.00 goes, resort, tickets as opp. to what i would get for my $3500.00 every year waiting for disney deals. people make comments like, it must be nice or your rich, no, just joined dvc!!:lmao:

Greysword
08-09-2011, 02:27 PM
i looked back on my 1999 points chart: sorry only okw and bv at that time. Ooo! The ancient time :rotfl: :rotfl2:

just comparing apples to apples on my vacations. I agree, as I do the same thing to "wow" the friends and family that go with us (it also serves to let them know what they are saving by joining us :thumbsup2). This is the fair way to get a saving comparison, and I wanted to point out the other way, since this method generally causes irritation on the Mousellaneous and Operations boards ;)

DVC is definitely a good value for long-term WDW and DLR visitors! Also, I was following your CR trip report; thanks for all the effort and I can't believe you drive instead of fly :woohoo:. Strong are you :yoda:

dvczerfs
08-09-2011, 02:45 PM
Ooo! The ancient time :rotfl: :rotfl2:

I agree, as I do the same thing to "wow" the friends and family that go with us (it also serves to let them know what they are saving by joining us :thumbsup2). This is the fair way to get a saving comparison, and I wanted to point out the other way, since this method generally causes irritation on the Mousellaneous and Operations boards ;)

DVC is definitely a good value for long-term WDW and DLR visitors! Also, I was following your CR trip report; thanks for all the effort and I can't believe you drive instead of fly :woohoo:. Strong are you :yoda:

FLY!!!! just kidding:lmao: my wife wont fly, scared to death. one of my best friends is a captain for american and before 911, took us into the hanger so she could see a 757 up close. very cool!!! but, didnt help. the best man in my wedding has his pilots lic. wont sit in the plane much less go up in it.:lmao:i drive about 50k a year for work so driving to me is no big deal. we leave home at 3 am and pull into okw at 7:30 pm. im up at 3:30am everyday so its no biggy for me. not to mention, i would have to pay 5k in extra baggage fees for what she packs and brings along.:lmao: we have fun, met alot of nice people along the way over the years. in 2010 we were down over christmas to okw. friends of our came down , members also but they said, drive!! your nuts, were flying. well, i had there bags in my van so they had nothing to check. they took a cab to the airport at 4am from okw the same morning we departed at 3am. they had a lay over in d.c. flights were delayed. long story short, i got home at 7:15pm, they got home at 8pm.:lmao: they were on a puddle jumper from d.c to newark, the two kids tossed there cookies, no barf bags, she had them do it in her coat, they had nothing else. she tossed her coat when they landed in the garbage. we stopped over the next morning to get theres bags back to them and she said "never again, im drivin!!!":lmao:

BirdsLightyear
08-10-2011, 03:48 PM
A few question here...I called DVC and talked for a few and still dont get it...The man told me I can get the pack-edge That cost about 19000 dollars...Its sounds good he said all we have to do is put 2000 that we can just take it from or trip and put it towerds the DVC sounds good and randy...then i ask how will it work for tickets and food...he said well you have 4800 minus 2000 so we can work something out...then he selling me on a villa in animal kingdom SOLD haha no not yet....then we are going over it and he said we can use the points this year and next year, so that means noooo disney NOT SOLD....So here is the breackdown 2000 down not a problem nice a.. rooms not a problem tickets problem about 2500...dinning plane major problem 2000...so what do I do...I see were it would be worth it in the long run...but eight kids it just does not seem it to me right about now.

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 04:33 PM
A few question here...I called DVC and talked for a few and still dont get it...The man told me I can get the pack-edge That cost about 19000 dollars...Its sounds good he said all we have to do is put 2000 that we can just take it from or trip and put it towerds the DVC sounds good and randy...then i ask how will it work for tickets and food...he said well you have 4800 minus 2000 so we can work something out...then he selling me on a villa in animal kingdom SOLD haha no not yet....then we are going over it and he said we can use the points this year and next year, so that means noooo disney NOT SOLD....So here is the breackdown 2000 down not a problem nice a.. rooms not a problem tickets problem about 2500...dinning plane major problem 2000...so what do I do...I see were it would be worth it in the long run...but eight kids it just does not seem it to me right about now.
chris,:lmao:
look, i didnt do the math for feeding 8 kids.:lmao: i couldnt imagine.:worship: wow, unless you have alot of money, you would have to get a grand villa each time. (thats alot of points) the only thing it would save you i think would be when the kids get alittle older, that you would be able to eat most of your meals in the room. but, if free dining sticks around, i think free dining would be the way to go in your case of a family of 10! :thumbsup2 that would be intresting to figure that out, what 3 rooms would cost, there park tickets and meals for the 10 of you. more so when the kids all hit "disney adult" age. let me do some figuring and ill get back to you.:lmao:

AirGoofy
08-10-2011, 04:58 PM
A few question here...I called DVC and talked for a few and still dont get it...The man told me I can get the pack-edge That cost about 19000 dollars...Its sounds good he said all we have to do is put 2000 that we can just take it from or trip and put it towerds the DVC sounds good and randy...then i ask how will it work for tickets and food...he said well you have 4800 minus 2000 so we can work something out...then he selling me on a villa in animal kingdom SOLD haha no not yet....then we are going over it and he said we can use the points this year and next year, so that means noooo disney NOT SOLD....So here is the breackdown 2000 down not a problem nice a.. rooms not a problem tickets problem about 2500...dinning plane major problem 2000...so what do I do...I see were it would be worth it in the long run...but eight kids it just does not seem it to me right about now.

Yes, the buy in costs get you. They are a lot higher now than 10+ years ago. Do you all go to WDW each year? If so, DVC is worth it. If every 3 years, then you can borrow, bank, and UY for a trip with 1/3 the points. You may want to check out resale market. I went thru TimeShare Store and they are great. I was able to get points for maybe 70% of the direct price. Good luck.

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 05:01 PM
i looked up the points needed for a grand villa. the most cheapest way of going. you would need 350 points per year to stay at okw in a grandvilla for one week in september. i would forget about park ticket price, dont matter where you stay, you will have to buy park tickets.figure $180.00 per point through disney. thats 63k. divide by 42 years thats $1500.00 per year initial investment. figure another $1500.00 for taxs and maintain.. total room per year is $3000.00 (can maintain and taxs go up, sure, but i have my bills from 1999 and the room rates out paced my t&m bill. i think my t&m bill went up $10 per month. if you look back on this thread you will see i posted the amounts and offered to send copies. throw your food number on there. (:lmao: i wouldnt even want to guess buddy!:lmao:) and come to a total. the biggest problem is finding 63k. also, i only had one kid to brain wash and keep her intrest in disney. tammy and i where already so we dont have that problem. but that woulod be a big commitment for a long time.

AirGoofy
08-10-2011, 05:14 PM
i looked up the points needed for a grand villa. the most cheapest way of going. you would need 350 points per year to stay at okw in a grandvilla for one week in september. i would forget about park ticket price, dont matter where you stay, you will have to buy park tickets.figure $180.00 per point through disney. thats 63k. divide by 42 years thats $1500.00 per year initial investment. figure another $1500.00 for taxs and maintain.. total room per year is $3000.00 (can maintain and taxs go up, sure, but i have my bills from 1999 and the room rates out paced my t&m bill. i think my t&m bill went up $10 per month. if you look back on this thread you will see i posted the amounts and offered to send copies. throw your food number on there. (:lmao: i wouldnt even want to guess buddy!:lmao:) and come to a total. the biggest problem is finding 63k. also, i only had one kid to brain wash and keep her intrest in disney. tammy and i where already so we dont have that problem. but that woulod be a big commitment for a long time.

Did you check points on a 2 BR + studio. Or, when one child reaches an age and doesn't want to travel, then they could get by with a 1 BR and studio. Lock all the kids in one villa and the adults can hide in the studio. I can't imagine 8. I can hardly keep up with the 2 I have. But, there may be cheaper points on resale market.

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 05:15 PM
Yes, the buy in costs get you. They are a lot higher now than 10+ years ago. Do you all go to WDW each year? If so, DVC is worth it. If every 3 years, then you can borrow, bank, and UY for a trip with 1/3 the points. You may want to check out resale market. I went thru TimeShare Store and they are great. I was able to get points for maybe 70% of the direct price. Good luck.

resale market is a good idea.:thumbsup2 sure cost are more to buy in than 10 years ago but so are rooms.thats the point of dvc, thats why we save alot of money. with dvc, you prepaid your room at the prices when you jumped in. my cost of a point is $56.00 per point in 1999.your gambling on the cost of rooms will go up and they did. but im paying 1999 rates. thats why my numbers look good and for other dvc members who have been in it. its just numbers as you can see. no magic, no government smoke and mirrors.:lmao:, i have another 31 years to go at those numbers and if the price of rooms go up, it will only make my numbers look better.

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 05:17 PM
Did you check points on a 2 BR + studio. Lock all the kids in one villa and the adults can hide in the studio. I can't imagine 8. I can hardly keep up with the 2 I have. But, there may be cheaper points on resale market.

:lmao: my butt is clench just thinking about feeding 8 kids much less going to disney. :lmao:

BirdsLightyear
08-10-2011, 05:49 PM
well thanks guys...I think I should hit the bank in the morning and grab 63k for my DVC....:lmao:...the man never told me all that and more...It did not seem like a good idea after all. it sounded too good to be true...Plus me and claire wanted to stay at different resorts every time we go. So for now we will stay at are original plan and stay at POP oh I love me some POP:lmao:...We here it goes last year we jumped on free dining and made off...on Average we spent over $250 a day on food..So with 8 kids I love free. I have two under three so I can do two rooms at POP this year. next year lets see were Walt takes me..

SO LETS HERE IT "GO BIRDS"
and throw a phillies in there too:lmao:

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 06:00 PM
well thanks guys...I think I should hit the bank in the morning and grab 63k for my DVC....:lmao:...the man never told me all that and more...It did not seem like a good idea after all. it sounded too good to be true...Plus me and claire wanted to stay at different resorts every time we go. So for now we will stay at are original plan and stay at POP oh I love me some POP:lmao:...We here it goes last year we jumped on free dining and made off...on Average we spent over $250 a day on food..So with 8 kids I love free. I have two under three so I can do two rooms at POP this year. next year lets see were Walt takes me..

SO LETS HERE IT "GO BIRDS"
and throw a phillies in there too:lmao:

i see your phillies sqeeked another game out of another team with a losing record. whos next, the mets??????:lmao: when you say $250 per day on food, thats in disney?

BirdsLightyear
08-10-2011, 06:18 PM
i see your phillies sqeeked another game out of another team with a losing record. whos next, the mets??????:lmao: when you say $250 per day on food, thats in disney?

everyone is a losing team against the fighting phillis:cool1: Yes that is in disney :lmao:....every time I went to swipe last year I was like holly penutbutter. thank god for free dinning.

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 06:22 PM
everyone is a losing team against the fighting phillis:cool1: Yes that is in disney :lmao:....every time I went to swipe last year I was like holly penutbutter. thank god for free dinning.

your tip is more than our meal.:scared1: so when are coming up north????

BirdsLightyear
08-10-2011, 06:44 PM
your tip is more than our meal.:scared1: so when are coming up north????

I am trying to make a day. since I am working two jobs now for this magical trip, oh so magical:lmao:.When are you leaving again...because dont mind the eagles duffel bag weighing 240lbs. they way its looking I will probably miss half the season..who cares Ill see them in the superbowl...great now I should plan on working two jobs till February to buy superbowl tickets..thanks Lehigh valley guy

dvczerfs
08-10-2011, 07:28 PM
I am trying to make a day. since I am working two jobs now for this magical trip, oh so magical:lmao:.When are you leaving again...because dont mind the eagles duffel bag weighing 240lbs. they way its looking I will probably miss half the season..who cares Ill see them in the superbowl...great now I should plan on working two jobs till February to buy superbowl tickets..thanks Lehigh valley guy

:lmao: id spend the money your planing on using for superbowls tickets, bunch of rookies and still have the brains of the operation still in charge.:lmao: but im sure he'll work on that.:lmao: we are leaving sept. 27th. hopefully. i have to take tammy to jefferson unv. hosp. on the 21st for another mri and a dr. appointment. hopefully the spot on her brain is what they think it is. its hard to get excited about a trip that you dont know if your going till a week before. but the trip means nothing to me as long as shes ok.

rescuetink
08-10-2011, 10:55 PM
Just to clarify, the old hats?

YUP!!! If there's still one available!!!
Well that I can anwer for you..... YES... I know several people that own DVC and dont make $100k a yr.

when we bought in ,we made alot less than 100k.:thumbsup2

I'm on board here!!! And we're members!!!

With the ability to bank and borrow points, as well as to rent points to others, DVC can still be a value, even if you only go every other year.

That's what we do, bank and borrow!! We can't afford to go every year!! OH HOW I WISH WE COULD!!! But I've also learned that being a DCL loving family I made out better renting my points and paying cash for our DCL trip this November!! IT'LL BE HERE SOON!!!

everyone is a losing team against the fighting phillis:cool1:

GO PHILLIES!!!!

GO E-A-G-L-E-S!!!

AirGoofy
08-11-2011, 07:20 AM
YUP!!! If there's still one available!!!]

Yes. They are the ones with two mountains. You can see one over on the pin thread. I'll be glad to sell you one (minus the pins).

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2733617

PM me and we'll get er done.

RodBelding
08-11-2011, 08:35 AM
i looked up the points needed for a grand villa. the most cheapest way of going. you would need 350 points per year to stay at okw in a grandvilla for one week in september. i would forget about park ticket price, dont matter where you stay, you will have to buy park tickets.figure $180.00 per point through disney. thats 63k. divide by 42 years thats $1500.00 per year initial investment. figure another $1500.00 for taxs and maintain.. total room per year is $3000.00 (can maintain and taxs go up, sure, but i have my bills from 1999 and the room rates out paced my t&m bill. i think my t&m bill went up $10 per month. if you look back on this thread you will see i posted the amounts and offered to send copies. throw your food number on there. (:lmao: i wouldnt even want to guess buddy!:lmao:) and come to a total. the biggest problem is finding 63k. also, i only had one kid to brain wash and keep her intrest in disney. tammy and i where already so we dont have that problem. but that woulod be a big commitment for a long time.

$180 per point seems high, no? I think BLT is going for roughly $135 right now.

dvczerfs
08-11-2011, 08:46 AM
$180 per point seems high, no? I think BLT is going for roughly $135 right now. that coud be. i was just aiming high. im not allow to walk up or be seen at any dvc desk when im on vacation. :lmao: along with going into the art of disney stores.:lmao:

SmilingGrump
08-11-2011, 10:00 AM
There were some pretty good incentives on our Alaska cruise so my DW told me "It's up to you" which, as we all know, is as good as a "YES!" so we took the plunge and bought into AKV :woohoo:

RodBelding
08-11-2011, 12:11 PM
that coud be. i was just aiming high. im not allow to walk up or be seen at any dvc desk when im on vacation. :lmao: along with going into the art of disney stores.:lmao:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

dvczerfs
08-11-2011, 12:18 PM
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

just an fyi, we still hit every shoe store that was ever built but im not allowed in the art of disney or the dvc desks.(not even to look at the pictures):lmao:

rescuetink
08-11-2011, 05:45 PM
Yes. They are the ones with two mountains. You can see one over on the pin thread. I'll be glad to sell you one (minus the pins).

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2733617

PM me and we'll get er done.

Check you PM soon!! Thanks!! :thumbsup2

AJRitz
08-13-2011, 12:28 AM
Interesting.
Orlando Sentinel (among others) is reporting that Jim Lewis, DVC President, was fired today.
Gotta wonder what's up, firing a Division President a week before the D23 Expo (and trying to bury the news by doing it late on a Friday afternoon).

Here's the Sentinel Article: http://t.co/tbaAMQw
Rumors are going around on Twitter about massive red ink in the DVC Division, and possible last-minute changes at Aulani (which is set to open in two weeks).

cj9200
08-13-2011, 05:44 AM
Interesting.
Orlando Sentinel (among others) is reporting that Jim Lewis, DVC President, was fired today.
Gotta wonder what's up, firing a Division President a week before the D23 Expo (and trying to bury the news by doing it late on a Friday afternoon).

Here's the Sentinel Article: http://t.co/tbaAMQw
Rumors are going around on Twitter about massive red ink in the DVC Division, and possible last-minute changes at Aulani (which is set to open in two weeks).

The DVC Mousecellaneous Board exploded last night. Some of the speculated reasons included staff and member unrest, overriding using better materials in refurbs and paying the price now, and the studio layout in the BLT resort. The big one is Aluani's paperwork to sell timeshares was not properly done. It has stopped sales and is an expensive rewrite of the documents. Lewis supposedly knew about it and did nothing to fix it. If true, that is a big Oops.

The link is: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2778660

AirGoofy
08-13-2011, 07:14 AM
Check you PM soon!! Thanks!! :thumbsup2

I pm you back.

AirGoofy
08-13-2011, 07:16 AM
Giggity. Ownage.

The DVC Mousecellaneous Board exploded last night. Some of the speculated reasons included staff and member unrest, overriding using better materials in refurbs and paying the price now, and the studio layout in the BLT resort. The big one is Aluani's paperwork to sell timeshares was not properly done. It has stopped sales and is an expensive rewrite of the documents. Lewis supposedly knew about it and did nothing to fix it. If true, that is a big Oops.

The link is: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2778660

Something will need to be cited when the annual dues are substantially increased.

BirdsLightyear
08-13-2011, 03:28 PM
:lmao: id spend the money your planing on using for superbowls tickets, bunch of rookies and still have the brains of the operation still in charge.:lmao: but im sure he'll work on that.:lmao: we are leaving sept. 27th. hopefully. i have to take tammy to jefferson unv. hosp. on the 21st for another mri and a dr. appointment. hopefully the spot on her brain is what they think it is. its hard to get excited about a trip that you dont know if your going till a week before. but the trip means nothing to me as long as shes ok.

hey hey I have a family here:lmao:no bird bashing..Sorry to hear that. We will be praying here for you and that's alote of prayers. So Then we should just meet then for lunch, breakfast or dinner. What ever you chose I will just take that day off. Because the rate I am going I wont be off anytime soon:sad2:Claire just found out her G-Mom was diagnosed with hodgkins. So She is upset here to..so I will check in and out from time to time to see what the dads are up to,,,take care

dvczerfs
08-13-2011, 07:31 PM
hey hey I have a family here:lmao:no bird bashing..Sorry to hear that. We will be praying here for you and that's alote of prayers. So Then we should just meet then for lunch, breakfast or dinner. What ever you chose I will just take that day off. Because the rate I am going I wont be off anytime soon:sad2:Claire just found out her G-Mom was diagnosed with hodgkins. So She is upset here to..so I will check in and out from time to time to see what the dads are up to,,,take care

sorry to hear claire, well be prayin for gmom. keep me posted.:thumbsup2

baseballmickey
08-15-2011, 11:32 AM
Still catching up on this thread. In the meantime just wanted to jump in.

DW and I bought DVC in 2007, 7 months after DD was born. We financed our purchase, which makes it more expensive for us in the long run. We got the 160 point-plan, and that's been pretty good for us, until now.

Now, we'ved added another child, DD is 4 and we still only have 160 points. So it looks like we need to add, otherwise we need to bank and borrow to do the kinds of vacations we are used to. When we do add on, we'll purchase outright and not finance anymore.

We've stayed at SSR mostly, but we also stayed at BWV recently, and we LOVED it there. We are going to shoot for BWV again on our next trip. We're going to squeeze the four of us into a studio to get the most out of our points. Hopefully this is the last time we do this?? We are also doing DCL on our next trip, but will not use points for that. If we can swing it, we might spend a day or two at BLT or AKL on points before or after DCL. We're still trying to decide if our main WDW portion will be before or after DCL.

We like SSR, but found that it's a hike to get anywhere without a car. Buses are reliable, but can be packed at times. There's no way I am taking two kids that are both in strollers on a bus. I'll rent a car instead. Room location at SSR is also key. A room close to DTD allows you to walk there, which is nice. But that means you are farther from guest servies and food court. They've added some food options with the new pool area, so hopefully that helps.

at BWV, shopping and food are all right out on the boardwalk, and you can walk and/or ride a boat to EPCOT or DHS. We even walked to Fantasia mini-golf from there.

So to sum up, I have no major complaints about DVC, other than not having enough points!!!

AirGoofy
08-18-2011, 03:42 PM
Still catching up on this thread. In the meantime just wanted to jump in.

DW and I bought DVC in 2007, 7 months after DD was born. We financed our purchase, which makes it more expensive for us in the long run. We got the 160 point-plan, and that's been pretty good for us, until now.

Now, we'ved added another child, DD is 4 and we still only have 160 points. So it looks like we need to add, otherwise we need to bank and borrow to do the kinds of vacations we are used to. When we do add on, we'll purchase outright and not finance anymore.

We've stayed at SSR mostly, but we also stayed at BWV recently, and we LOVED it there. We are going to shoot for BWV again on our next trip. We're going to squeeze the four of us into a studio to get the most out of our points. Hopefully this is the last time we do this?? We are also doing DCL on our next trip, but will not use points for that. If we can swing it, we might spend a day or two at BLT or AKL on points before or after DCL. We're still trying to decide if our main WDW portion will be before or after DCL.

We like SSR, but found that it's a hike to get anywhere without a car. Buses are reliable, but can be packed at times. There's no way I am taking two kids that are both in strollers on a bus. I'll rent a car instead. Room location at SSR is also key. A room close to DTD allows you to walk there, which is nice. But that means you are farther from guest servies and food court. They've added some food options with the new pool area, so hopefully that helps.

at BWV, shopping and food are all right out on the boardwalk, and you can walk and/or ride a boat to EPCOT or DHS. We even walked to Fantasia mini-golf from there.

So to sum up, I have no major complaints about DVC, other than not having enough points!!!

Good story. Our first contract was SSR and we added at BLT. I like SSR, even moreso with the new pool. I'm going to stay at THV next time, even if it is just the 4 of us. We stayed at BWV in April for Spring Break this year. DW loved it and would have added on points right then & there if we had the money. Our first stay at BLT is 50 days away.

DEA
08-22-2011, 12:30 PM
Would any of you DVC owners be willing to do me a favor? I wanted to check availability for BWV and BCV November 3-November 6 of this year. I am trying to work up a plan of attack (rent points vs. hotel rooms) for a last-minute-ish trip. I am thinking any studio or 1BR would be fine, if availability exists. Not asking you to rent me points, I just want to see if it's a possibility.

Thanks,

-- Eric

dvczerfs
08-22-2011, 01:39 PM
Would any of you DVC owners be willing to do me a favor? I wanted to check availability for BWV and BCV November 3-November 6 of this year. I am trying to work up a plan of attack (rent points vs. hotel rooms) for a last-minute-ish trip. I am thinking any studio or 1BR would be fine, if availability exists. Not asking you to rent me points, I just want to see if it's a possibility.

Thanks,

-- Eric

eric, dvc members have to call for avail. its not on line. i would call but i wouldnt have the points to call.:lmao: on the dvc boards theres a thread that has avail. reports from members. :thumbsup2

DEA
08-23-2011, 09:05 AM
eric, dvc members have to call for avail. its not on line. i would call but i wouldnt have the points to call.:lmao: on the dvc boards theres a thread that has avail. reports from members. :thumbsup2

That thread is in conflict with a piece of information I got from another source, and I just wanted a tiebreaker. I think I will be able to get it from another source.

Thanks!

NWDAD
10-07-2011, 02:48 PM
Checking in for the 1st time. Have been to WDW 1st year that each park open, starting 1971. and many times more. Bought OKW in 1997(170pts) and added BLT(150pts) this year. Chose BLT because they had the lowest dues and got a great deal on board the Wonder to Alaska this spring. The DW now says we have a enough points to do what we want I just don't have enough vacation time:rotfl::confused3

AirGoofy
10-10-2011, 06:18 AM
Checking in for the 1st time. Have been to WDW 1st year that each park open, starting 1971. and many times more. Bought OKW in 1997(170pts) and added BLT(150pts) this year. Chose BLT because they had the lowest dues and got a great deal on board the Wonder to Alaska this spring. The DW now says we have a enough points to do what we want I just don't have enough vacation time:rotfl::confused3

Welcome. Like everyone else, I wish I had bought in sooner. But, we too own at BLT and it's great. An hour after checking into our room, DW greenlights buying more points here. Now, I have to be the responsible one and say we can't afford it.

patkingpin
10-12-2011, 11:28 AM
Can someone explain to me why I spend $5-6,000 per year going to Disney and yet I can't figure out how to buy DVC? I don't mind financing it (yes, I have read the boards that tell me this is the worst idea in the history of the world). I just can't seem to make the purchase.
We go every year and love Beach Club. We stayed at Coronado this trip and I missed the villas.
Someone please reason with me!!!

cj9200
10-12-2011, 03:16 PM
There are many reasons to go to WDW every year and not buy DVC. First, there is ummm. No that isnít a reason. There is also, well, let me see. No, not that one either. Let me think....Sorry but try as I might, canít find one.

You may want to start with a small contract and see how it goes from there. It may overcome any obstacles either self imposed or from outside sources (spouse maybe?) that are keeping you from pulling the trigger.

patkingpin
10-12-2011, 09:24 PM
There are many reasons to go to WDW every year and not buy DVC. First, there is ummm. No that isnít a reason. There is also, well, let me see. No, not that one either. Let me think....Sorry but try as I might, canít find one.

You may want to start with a small contract and see how it goes from there. It may overcome any obstacles either self imposed or from outside sources (spouse maybe?) that are keeping you from pulling the trigger.

No no, spouse is all for it. We just want to make sure it is something we can afford down the road I think. Plus, we are renters and those around us think we should buy a house before buying DVC. Makes sense I think right? Right???

cj9200
10-13-2011, 05:01 AM
No no, spouse is all for it. We just want to make sure it is something we can afford down the road I think. Plus, we are renters and those around us think we should buy a house before buying DVC. Makes sense I think right? Right???

All kidding aside, only you and your wife can decide on your financial situation. When I bought, we had a house, two good not great incomes, and a child we could afford to make sure her needs were met. It was the right time for us.

DVC is not an investment but mostly a prepaid Disney vacation. We knew that we could pay our bills, live comfortably, and still have this luxury. We liked Disney, went a lot and planned on going often. My daughter and I still do. It is nice going to WDW and not have a hotel bill to be put on the credit card when we leave. We are hoping to go to Aulani next summer and one of the things that makes that trip affordable is the room is already paid for. Another thing you need to consider is the cost of dues.

If you are working toward a down payment on a house, you may want to put it off for a while. If you think you could swing it, the best way to start is with a small contract and go from there. You can always add on later.

AirGoofy
10-13-2011, 08:56 AM
Can someone explain to me why I spend $5-6,000 per year going to Disney and yet I can't figure out how to buy DVC? I don't mind financing it (yes, I have read the boards that tell me this is the worst idea in the history of the world). I just can't seem to make the purchase.
We go every year and love Beach Club. We stayed at Coronado this trip and I missed the villas.
Someone please reason with me!!!

The only thing with DVC is that it does not pay your tickets. So, if you spend $5000 on DVC, then you will still have to purchase tickets. Then, you still have your annual dues. But, once you are spending your vacation in the resort you want to be in every time, then it doesn't bother you as much. THe other thing with DVC is that we don't do the parks everyday. We enjoy a park one day and the resort other day, so you have options to save money on single tickets, non-exp, or AP depending on how many days you are going. We find that two week trips a year, parks 5 or 6 days, is wonderful for us.

You may try to purchase direct thru Disney, which will cost you more money per point and some have minimum buy in amounts. But, you could use your Disney Visa Card and purchase in quarterly installment and have no interest for three months. (and get reward dollars for your tickets)

Or, you can go thru resale market which is much cheaper, but you don't have financing option from above. We have bought contracts from both place. Or, if you need to finance, give yourself a year time frame and what extra payments would need to be made to pay it off. Thus, if you would spend $5000 this year on Disney vacation and $5000 on next year's Disney vacation, that is a $10,000 DVC contract, and while it took you a year to pay it off, you now own it free and clear. Good luck.

theduck619
12-03-2011, 12:27 PM
Ok, so we just got back from Kidani and I think the DW and I both see the larger appeal of DVC. I have a couple of questions off the top of my head I was hoping some of you guys could help with:

1). 160 is the minimum point purchase correct? Is the rate still $112 per point?

2). If you buy through Disney, can you use the points for cruises and non villa resort rooms?

3). How are Vero and Hilton Head?

Thanks :thumbsup2

cj9200
12-03-2011, 12:55 PM
Ok, so we just got back from Kidani and I think the DW and I both see the larger appeal of DVC. I have a couple of questions off the top of my head I was hoping some of you guys could help with:

1). 160 is the minimum point purchase correct? Is the rate still $112 per point?

2). If you buy through Disney, can you use the points for cruises and non villa resort rooms?

3). How are Vero and Hilton Head?

Thanks :thumbsup2

1) Not sure on the min. It may be less. They also run promotions with incentives occasionally. Lower point cost for a certain amount of points for example. Check with a DVC guide to see if they are running anything.

2) Yes. If you buy resale, you can't anymore. Using points at other than DVC resorts may not be worth the point cost versus what you can get for a cash rate.

3) Never stayed at HH but I like Vero. A different kind of vacation. It is right on the water and they have their "own" beach at the resort. Very relaxing. We use it to decompress from the world. Not a beach person (DD is) but relaxing by the pool reading a book is great. Staff are typical Disney CMs and really good.

Let me (and us) know if you have any other questions.

AirGoofy
12-03-2011, 12:55 PM
Ok, so we just got back from Kidani and I think the DW and I both see the larger appeal of DVC. I have a couple of questions off the top of my head I was hoping some of you guys could help with:

1). 160 is the minimum point purchase correct? Is the rate still $112 per point?

2). If you buy through Disney, can you use the points for cruises and non villa resort rooms?

3). How are Vero and Hilton Head?

Thanks :thumbsup2

Not sure on the 160, but they have been willing to split contracts (2- 80 pt contracts), which may easier for resale or future gifts to children. As for the cruises, yes, but you also have to pay an exchange rate. From everyone I talked to, DVC points are not a good exchange for cruises. I booked my 2013 cruise when it first opened for booking at 2700 for us 4. You can use them at non villa rooms, but there is also a fee and the exchange rate is not good. Really, the best use of DVC points is at the DVC resorts.

Vero is a terrific beach resort, better than anything I stayed in at Panama City Beach or Ft. Lauderdale. I'm trying HHI for Spring Break, but couldn't get a studio for summer stay, their busiest time. Vero was right on the beach, with lots of activities and turtles for children.

Honestly Dave, I'd love a DVC purchase referral from you or anyone, but my plan is to purchase thru resale, which I used Timeshare Store. I also bought thru Disney. Disney is way more convenient, but resale is cheaper. You do have to secure your own financing or they may offer thru their own lender if you don't go thru Disney. I only plan to use our DVC points at DVC resorts. If you do plan on going thru Disney, you may want to wait closer to your next trip. That way, you can save your purchase until later, and one of the perks in going thru Disney is they will get you a reservation when you make a new purchase. Then, you aren't paying now for a vacation later.

theduck619
12-03-2011, 05:21 PM
When I am looking at points for sale I see Animal Kingdom, but not Kidani. Is Kidani groped under AKL?

AJRitz
12-03-2011, 06:16 PM
When I am looking at points for sale I see Animal Kingdom, but not Kidani. Is Kidani groped under AKL?

Kidani IS DVC at Animal Kingdom Lodge (even though a few DVC rooms exist at Jambo House).

AirGoofy
12-03-2011, 08:58 PM
When I am looking at points for sale I see Animal Kingdom, but not Kidani. Is Kidani groped under AKL?

And, kidani are the only ones with 2 bathroom if you get the 1 br

theduck619
12-08-2011, 10:02 AM
Not sure on the 160, but they have been willing to split contracts (2- 80 pt contracts), which may easier for resale or future gifts to children. As for the cruises, yes, but you also have to pay an exchange rate. From everyone I talked to, DVC points are not a good exchange for cruises. I booked my 2013 cruise when it first opened for booking at 2700 for us 4. You can use them at non villa rooms, but there is also a fee and the exchange rate is not good. Really, the best use of DVC points is at the DVC resorts.

Vero is a terrific beach resort, better than anything I stayed in at Panama City Beach or Ft. Lauderdale. I'm trying HHI for Spring Break, but couldn't get a studio for summer stay, their busiest time. Vero was right on the beach, with lots of activities and turtles for children.

Honestly Dave, I'd love a DVC purchase referral from you or anyone, but my plan is to purchase thru resale, which I used Timeshare Store. I also bought thru Disney. Disney is way more convenient, but resale is cheaper. You do have to secure your own financing or they may offer thru their own lender if you don't go thru Disney. I only plan to use our DVC points at DVC resorts. If you do plan on going thru Disney, you may want to wait closer to your next trip. That way, you can save your purchase until later, and one of the perks in going thru Disney is they will get you a reservation when you make a new purchase. Then, you aren't paying now for a vacation later.

So you have purchased through Timeshare before? That is who I would probably look at since they have some pretty good pricing on some of the contracts.

AirGoofy
12-08-2011, 08:39 PM
So you have purchased through Timeshare before? That is who I would probably look at since they have some pretty good pricing on some of the contracts.

Yes, our first contract was at SSR through the TimeShare store. Then, we did a BLT add on through Disney. With the Timeshare store, you have to wait to see if Right of First Refusal is exercised by Disney. Some have reported not making it thru, but I think TSS advises people on what they think Disney will except, and that is why you see the prices the way they are. We had to wait quite a while, as we picked a contract that had a pending vacation, and thus, we could not close until it finished. This, however, worked well for us as we put down the deposit but then did not have to close until much later, closer to our next vacation. The downside was that we only had a few months before our vacation when we closed, and since we did not go thru Disney, we could not get a studio and had to stay in a 1 br (darn the luck). The whole process started in October and we didn't close until December and did not get accepted until January.

When we bought thru Disney, the points were in our account later that day before we ever had a contract. Our sales guy offered to book us a room, but we already had something booked, and we bought our add on later in the year, which allowed us to bank our points forward. It was so smooth.

In both cases, they mail you all the paperwork and you will have to make photocopies of stuff and have the paperwork notarized. They both offer financing, with Disney providing their own in house which does not go on your credit report. TSS partners with a bank and will make a referral for you. You can always go finance through whoever you want or pay outright. We did finance, and then paid it off a few months later, stupidly becuase I was afraid to send them a large lump sum. (Dave Ramsey's stupid tax.)

Anyway, I had a great experience through TSS and would go thru them again. The pros is the lower resale amount. The con is waiting for everything to go thru. Also, with resale, you have the chance to pick your UY. It has never been a big deal for us, but if your vacation may change, then you may need to consider. They advise that you don't vacation in the last 4 months of your use year, as if you needed to cancel your vacation, you could simply unbook and then bank your points forward to next UY. If you are within the last 4 months, you cannot do that. Then, you may cancel (no fee), but your points become "holding points", which you cannot bank, transfer, and must use by the end of your UY.

Our UY is June and we still vacation in April for our Spring Break and it is not a big deal. We originally picked June as we thought we would only vacation in October (Fall Break). Then, you can get a new contract with a new UY and transfer points ..blah, blah, blah, but I just left it alone. Besides, once children are old enough, I would like to go in December or January. I posted Vero pics on main thread.

We know we are going to WDW at least once per year (or more) for a vacation and stay at a DVC resort. So, resale was the way to go for us. If I can find another BLT contract through TSS with June UY for another 50 to 100 points, I will buy it thru them. Or, I may have to buy through Disney if they are getting close to being sold out, but I'll pay a lot more. I'm considering a OKW 2057 expiration contract if I could find the right deal.

Good luck with your decision.

stopher1
12-08-2011, 11:26 PM
Ok, so we just got back from Kidani and I think the DW and I both see the larger appeal of DVC. I have a couple of questions off the top of my head I was hoping some of you guys could help with:

1). 160 is the minimum point purchase correct? Is the rate still $112 per point?

2). If you buy through Disney, can you use the points for cruises and non villa resort rooms?

3). How are Vero and Hilton Head?

Thanks :thumbsup2

1. 160 is still the minimum to purchase direct - though there are a few instances from time to time where they lower it (special promos, etc) but nothing to be counted on. They have been known to allow initial purchase contracts down into 80/80 or 100/60 - but again, nothing to be counted on. That is a case-by-case decision, not a blanket guarantee. But it never hurts to ask. The prices per point are different based on the resorts. For the most current pricing information, check DVCNews.com - but most are at $120 or higher. BLT is around $150 pp, and Aulani, Grand Cal & Animal Kingdom are all between $120 - $135 pp. Buying resale will save you money, but you won't have the same full use of your points as you do if you buy direct - for the trading out purposes such as the cruises, and Disney collection resorts.

2. If you buy direct through Disney, your points can be used for anything - cruises, Disney collection resorts, etc (until they decide to take that ability away - which is a possibility at any time - it is up to their own discretion, as they maintain that right throughout the life of the contract).

3. Vero is a very nice resort... I just stayed there this week. I'm looking forward to taking the family there. It is right on the coast, and has a nice private beach area. Pool, hot tub, tennis court, miniature golf course, bikes to rent, etc, etc. It is pretty much within a residential area - so not a whole lot around it - but not too far of a drive from other "stuff". I've only stayed there this one time, so I'm definitely not an expert on it. It seems like a nice enough stand alone vacation, or an add-on to a WDW vacation. It's only about an hour & 45 min from WDW. I'll be at Hilton Head after my cruise too - before heading home to Indiana. I can't really speak that resort yet.


When I am looking at points for sale I see Animal Kingdom, but not Kidani. Is Kidani groped under AKL?

Kidani IS DVC at Animal Kingdom Lodge (even though a few DVC rooms exist at Jambo House).

Yes, Kidani Village is entirely DVC villas. The 5th Floor at Jambo House was converted to DVC villas when they first decided to add a DVC component to AKL, along with several 6th floor rooms. As mentioned previously, the layout of the villas at Jambo House is slightly different than those found in Kidani - in that the 1 BR's only have 1 bathroom, and the configuration is different. The Grand Villas as Jambo are also single level (with a pool table) vs. two-story (with no pool table) over at Kidani. Since you just stayed at Kidani in a 2 BR, you know what the living room / kitchen area is like. Jambo's 1 & 2 BR kitchens are larger - shaped differently too - instead of the smaller ones in Kidani - since there is no extra bathroom right there at the front like at Kidani. The Jambo kitchen basically takes up all of the space for both features over in Kidani.

ChrisBrad79
01-12-2012, 10:59 AM
I sent off for the brochures and details this past weekend, and Karen from Disney just called me on my cell to let me know that FedEx delivered it to my porch this morning...

I swore to my myself that I was just looking... But, for some reason, I just spent a half hour going over my finances in my head... I wonder if I could just have my paycheck sent straight to the Mouse?

cj9200
01-12-2012, 01:40 PM
There are a few of us who are DVC members. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

RodBelding
01-12-2012, 02:30 PM
1. 160 is still the minimum to purchase direct - though there are a few instances from time to time where they lower it (special promos, etc) but nothing to be counted on. They have been known to allow initial purchase contracts down into 80/80 or 100/60 - but again, nothing to be counted on. That is a case-by-case decision, not a blanket guarantee. But it never hurts to ask. The prices per point are different based on the resorts. For the most current pricing information, check DVCNews.com - but most are at $120 or higher. BLT is around $150 pp, and Aulani, Grand Cal & Animal Kingdom are all between $120 - $135 pp. Buying resale will save you money, but you won't have the same full use of your points as you do if you buy direct - for the trading out purposes such as the cruises, and Disney collection resorts.


Just getting caught up on this thread guys, but wanted to chime in and let everyone know that they lowered the minimum buy in to 100 points. Not sure when they did that exactly, but it was that way back in July when I bought in.

Just an fyi.

ChrisBrad79
01-12-2012, 02:57 PM
There are a few of us who are DVC members. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Thank you kindly... As soon as I have a stupid question, I will be here to ask!

DisneyDadC
01-12-2012, 03:53 PM
Thank you kindly... As soon as I have a stupid question, I will be here to ask!

never any stupid questions here...they are all over on the main thread:lmao::rotfl2:

cj9200
01-12-2012, 03:55 PM
And hopefully not stupid answers. Wouldn't count on it though.

stopher1
01-12-2012, 10:39 PM
Just getting caught up on this thread guys, but wanted to chime in and let everyone know that they lowered the minimum buy in to 100 points. Not sure when they did that exactly, but it was that way back in July when I bought in.

Just an fyi.


They do have lowered minimums for AKV, SSR & BLT, but it is not across the board - but it is not consistent either, and they've been doing that for the past few years. They have been known to move it up and down, almost at a whim - kind of a promotional boost from time to time to reach various sales goals. Aulani is still 160 minimum. All of the "sold out" resorts are still a 160 minimum, which are still available, they just don't advertise that fact since the guides make higher commissions on the "newer, shinier" resorts. If pushed hard enough, and they have points in inventory, they'll sell any resort in the DVC collection. And they often have most resorts in inventory to sell - with the exception of BCV & VGC - though thanks to ROFR, they get those too - you just have to be on a wait list for a while. (I have friends on the inside, who share all kinds of tidbits with me).

AirGoofy
01-13-2012, 07:41 AM
The 2013 charts are out. It looks like my travel time period did not change. Good news. I still want more points.

IamTrike
01-14-2012, 07:36 PM
Hopefully this hasn't been asked before. Is the earlier booking period just based on the fact that you are an owner at that property or is it dependant on having points available left on your contract for that resort for that time period. Basically If we buy 100 points at BLT and 100 at SSR. During any given year would we be able to use all the points at BLT for 2 different vacations and take advantage of booking both of them 11 months out?

Question #2 based on my discussion with DVC it looks like right now I could get 100 Points for about 14K at BLT (AKV is a couple K less). They would also give me 2011s points so I'd start year 1 with 200 points. Looking at the TimeShare store it seems like I could buy a 160 Point contract for about the same amount. Which would you do? I know that I can't use the points bought through TSS for things other than the resorts. I don't think that we'd want to do that. Can you use the TSS points at HH or Vero?

AirGoofy
01-14-2012, 07:52 PM
Hopefully this hasn't been asked before. Is the earlier booking period just based on the fact that you are an owner at that property or is it dependant on having points available left on your contract for that resort for that time period. Basically If we buy 100 points at BLT and 100 at SSR. During any given year would we be able to use all the points at BLT for 2 different vacations and take advantage of booking both of them 11 months out?

Question #2 based on my discussion with DVC it looks like right now I could get 100 Points for about 14K at BLT (AKV is a couple K less). They would also give me 2011s points so I'd start year 1 with 200 points. Looking at the TimeShare store it seems like I could buy a 160 Point contract for about the same amount. Which would you do? I know that I can't use the points bought through TSS for things other than the resorts. I don't think that we'd want to do that. Can you use the TSS points at HH or Vero?

Question 1 - You can only use the 11 month window for those points. So, you can book BLT with those 100 points at the 11 months window. If you need more than 100 points for your booking, you can borrow from the next UY BLT points. You cannot use SSR points at BLT at 11 months. Or, you can book what you want at BLT with the 100 points, and at the 7 month, use the SSR points to add on to your existing reservation and hope there is still room availability. From everything I read, Lake View seems to be available later at BLT. The SV goes first and then the MK view.

Question 2 - Yes, the DVC points bought at the TSS can be used for any DVC resort, including the one at DL, Aulani, HH, and VB. I think anything can change though, but that is not predicted. As for your question about 100 vs 160, how many points do you need? It is great to have the 100+100, but if you need 160 each year, then the first year you bank 40 points and the second year, your 20 points short and have to borrow.

cj9200
01-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Hopefully this hasn't been asked before. Is the earlier booking period just based on the fact that you are an owner at that property or is it dependant on having points available left on your contract for that resort for that time period. Basically If we buy 100 points at BLT and 100 at SSR. During any given year would we be able to use all the points at BLT for 2 different vacations and take advantage of booking both of them 11 months out?

Dependent on the points available for that resort. For instance if a BLT reservation takes 150 points, you can only book 100 points worth of days at the 11 month window. At 7 months you can use both contracts anywhere.

Question #2 based on my discussion with DVC it looks like right now I could get 100 Points for about 14K at BLT (AKV is a couple K less). They would also give me 2011s points so I'd start year 1 with 200 points. Looking at the TimeShare store it seems like I could buy a 160 Point contract for about the same amount. Which would you do? I know that I can't use the points bought through TSS for things other than the resorts. I don't think that we'd want to do that. Can you use the TSS points at HH or Vero?[/QUOTE]

Where to buy is your choice. With the exception of a couple of cruises (before they took an outrageous number of points) I have only used my points for DVC resorts. The thing I might be interested in the future is trading out with RCI or whatever company they have an agreement with. If you buy out of Disney you also have to pay for closing costs. Me, I would buy from Disney but that is only my perspective. Don't base that on your decision.

IamTrike
01-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Question 1 - You can only use the 11 month window for those points. So, you can book BLT with those 100 points at the 11 months window. If you need more than 100 points for your booking, you can borrow from the next UY BLT points. You cannot use SSR points at BLT at 11 months. Or, you can book what you want at BLT with the 100 points, and at the 7 month, use the SSR points to add on to your existing reservation and hope there is still room availability. From everything I read, Lake View seems to be available later at BLT. The SV goes first and then the MK view.

Question 2 - Yes, the DVC points bought at the TSS can be used for any DVC resort, including the one at DL, Aulani, HH, and VB. I think anything can change though, but that is not predicted. As for your question about 100 vs 160, how many points do you need? It is great to have the 100+100, but if you need 160 each year, then the first year you bank 40 points and the second year, your 20 points short and have to borrow.

Yeah. I really think having an extra 60 points every year would be a big deal. While I really enjoyed the cruise it seems like trading points for it is a bum deal. I'd rather pay for the cruises out of pocket and then use the points at Disney.

Dependent on the points available for that resort. For instance if a BLT reservation takes 150 points, you can only book 100 points worth of days at the 11 month window. At 7 months you can use both contracts anywhere.

Question #2 based on my discussion with DVC it looks like right now I could get 100 Points for about 14K at BLT (AKV is a couple K less). They would also give me 2011s points so I'd start year 1 with 200 points. Looking at the TimeShare store it seems like I could buy a 160 Point contract for about the same amount. Which would you do? I know that I can't use the points bought through TSS for things other than the resorts. I don't think that we'd want to do that. Can you use the TSS points at HH or Vero?

Where to buy is your choice. With the exception of a couple of cruises (before they took an outrageous number of points) I have only used my points for DVC resorts. The thing I might be interested in the future is trading out with RCI or whatever company they have an agreement with. If you buy out of Disney you also have to pay for closing costs. Me, I would buy from Disney but that is only my perspective. Don't base that on your decision.[/QUOTE]
My inclination is to buy from Disney too, but right now it seems like there is about a 50% premium for that. It's steep enough that I am second guessing my decisions. I'll probably ask our DVC consultant if they offer better discounts on larger contracts.

Can you trade the points bought through TSS for RCI points?

Does anyone have a rough idea how many points you need for an adventure's by Disney trip?

lnevo
01-14-2012, 08:47 PM
The only thing you can not use your resale points on is the "Disney Collection".

This includes: Non-DVC resorts (i.e. Polynesian or Coronado Springs, etc., Disneyland Paris, Hong Kong, etc.), Adventures by Disney, and Disney Cruise Line

This is not seen as a negative by most people on the boards as they are not a great value for your points. You'd get more to rent your points out and use the cash toward a regular reservation. You can still trade out to RCI. So far this has not been a restriction (although the DVC marketing material includes RCI when they mention the benefits of buying direct)

I'm with CJ though, I prefer to buy direct from Disney. I do it for the ease of financing, the flexibility of getting what I want, when I want it, etc. 60 points though is hard to pass up. Make sure though that you are not getting a stripped contract (meaning it has at least the 2012 (maybe even some banked 2011 points) and all 2013 (i.e. nothing borrowed). When I was browsing, there were some contracts that you couldn't do much with until 2013 or 2014.

stopher1
01-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Yeah. I really think having an extra 60 points every year would be a big deal. While I really enjoyed the cruise it seems like trading points for it is a bum deal. I'd rather pay for the cruises out of pocket and then use the points at Disney.




My inclination is to buy from Disney too, but right now it seems like there is about a 50% premium for that. It's steep enough that I am second guessing my decisions. I'll probably ask our DVC consultant if they offer better discounts on larger contracts.

They really don't do much more the more you buy. The incentives/offers are the pretty much the same, though they might take an extra couple off the more you buy. A great resource for checking out pricing with DVC is dvcnews.com.

Here's what I mean regarding they don't do much based on what you buy - this comes straight from DVCnews.

$120 base price less $8 promotional discount; 100-159 points
$120 base price less $10 promotional discount; 160-219 points
$120 base price less $12 promotional discount; 220-319 points
$120 base price less $14 promotional discount; 320 points


Guides are not like other types of sales people either - they do not have wiggle room or are they able to negotiate. It just doesn't happen. They ONLY time that it might happen, is when you are willing to buy multiple resorts, and you're talking breaking contracts down into lesser amounts than the preset minimums. But negotiating on price simply doesn't happen.


Can you trade the points bought through TSS for RCI points?

Yes.

I don't know if this was mentioned recently or not - but as of March 20, 2011, any points purchased from any venue outside of Disney are eligible to be used for anything EXCEPT for the Disney Collection - meaning, resale points cannot be used for stays at any of the Disney destinations that are not DVC resorts - i.e. Disneyland Hotel / Paradise Pier Hotel, Disneyland Paris, Tokyo Disneyland, Hong Kong Disneyland, the WDW non-DVC resorts, Disney Cruise Line, Adventures by Disney. You CAN still use them for RCI and the other trades.



Does anyone have a rough idea how many points you need for an adventure's by Disney trip?

WAAAAAAYYY too many.

Here's an example. This is per person, btw.

8D/7N England & France itinerary: 731 adult / 696 child
8D/7N Ireland itinerary: 586 adult / 557 child
12D/11N China itinerary: 917 adult / 873 child

It really isn't worth it to even try to use points for an ABD excursion.

lnevo
01-14-2012, 08:56 PM
Does anyone have a rough idea how many points you need for an adventure's by Disney trip?

They range from 300-1000 points *per* person. My long term goal is to have enough points when I retire that my wife and I can go on one of these every other year or so.

Here's some samples, the first column is for Adults, second is for children.

ALASKA: Taming the Last Frontier 8 Days / 7 Nights 571 543
AMERICAN SOUTHWEST: Southwest Splendors 8 Days / 7 Nights 447 426
CALIFORNIA: Backstage Magic 6 Days / 5 Nights 368 350
CANADA: Roaming the Rockies 7 Days / 6 Nights 486 463
MID-ATLANTIC: Spirit of America 8 Days / 7 Nights 426 406
WYOMING: Quest for the West 7 Days / 6 Nights 443 421

THE ALPS: Alpine Magic 8 Days / 7 Nights 626 594
ENGLAND & FRANCE: Cities of Knights & Lights 8 Days / 7 Nights 731 696
FRANCE: Esprit de France 8 Days / 7 Nights 707 673
GERMANY: Once Upon a Fairytale 9 Days / 8 Nights 543 516
GREECE: Greek Odyssey 10 Days / 9 Nights 687 653
IRELAND: The Emerald Isle 8 Days / 7 Nights 586 557
CENTRAL ITALY: Bella Italia 8 Days / 7 Nights 591 561
ITALY: Viva Italia 9 Days / 8 Nights 661 630
ITALY: Viva Italia Signature 9 Days / 8 Nights 926 880

AirGoofy
01-14-2012, 09:02 PM
Yeah. I really think having an extra 60 points every year would be a big deal. While I really enjoyed the cruise it seems like trading points for it is a bum deal. I'd rather pay for the cruises out of pocket and then use the points at Disney.

My inclination is to buy from Disney too, but right now it seems like there is about a 50% premium for that. It's steep enough that I am second guessing my decisions. I'll probably ask our DVC consultant if they offer better discounts on larger contracts.

Can you trade the points bought through TSS for RCI points?

Does anyone have a rough idea how many points you need for an adventure's by Disney trip?

I don't know about RCI and when I looked in the book for the adventure's collection, I quickly stopped. I don't have enough points for that. We bought our first contract through TSS and had a great experience. They offer financing thru an outside bank with a lower interest rate than Disney and will send you all the paperwork.

We bought a 2nd contract thru Disney. I had more points (at SSR) for cheaper thru resale, but I wanted a BLT contract with same UY, so we went thru Disney. Disney also offers financing and sends all the paperwork.

Both mail everything to you, telling you where to sign, and all you really need is a notary and photocopy ID. We did the financing, but then realized it was a bad deal so I just paid it off outright.

Also, while it is not an exact figure, expect another $500 a year in dues for every 100 points you own. There is an exact point breakdown if you want to try and add it up. I think that if you need a 1 BR or above, DVC is the way to go. If you go studios, then I think it is a break even with a moderate resort after you add in tickets and dues. But, when you stay at BLT, BWV, or BC you have a short walk to the theme park and a short boat ride to DHS or WVL. You can walk to DHS from BWV or BCV, but it is further. Also, the 1 BR and above have an extra bathroom at BLT and AKV.

We have one more debt to pay off (minus the house) before buying another contract.

IamTrike
01-14-2012, 10:27 PM
They really don't do much more the more you buy. The incentives/offers are the pretty much the same, though they might take an extra couple off the more you buy. A great resource for checking out pricing with DVC is dvcnews.com.

Yeah I asked that question prematurely. The information they sent me included pricing PP at every level for SSR,VGC,BLT and AKV. It varied a little bit from what you sent. SSR is cheaper 99 PP and AKV is 120 PP and BLT is 150 PP. for 100-150 points after that they all dip.


Guides are not like other types of sales people either - they do not have wiggle room or are they able to negotiate. It just doesn't happen. They ONLY time that it might happen, is when you are willing to buy multiple resorts, and you're talking breaking contracts down into lesser amounts than the preset minimums. But negotiating on price simply doesn't happen.

I was thinking more along the line of volume discounts. It looks like I have to be buying at least 160 points for that to kick in though.




WAAAAAAYYY too many.

Here's an example. This is per person, btw.

8D/7N England & France itinerary: 731 adult / 696 child
8D/7N Ireland itinerary: 586 adult / 557 child
12D/11N China itinerary: 917 adult / 873 child

It really isn't worth it to even try to use points for an ABD excursion.
I was thinking I had heard that they were expensive. Ability to book ABD with our points was a reason DW wanted to buy from Disney. I doubt we would ever do that. I travel internationally for work so if were gonna do one of those trips the family would probably just tag along with me and then we'd extend our stay somewhere.

I don't know about RCI and when I looked in the book for the adventure's collection, I quickly stopped. I don't have enough points for that. We bought our first contract through TSS and had a great experience. They offer financing thru an outside bank with a lower interest rate than Disney and will send you all the paperwork.

We bought a 2nd contract thru Disney. I had more points (at SSR) for cheaper thru resale, but I wanted a BLT contract with same UY, so we went thru Disney. Disney also offers financing and sends all the paperwork.

I looked at Disney's but 11% financing seems really high. If we can't pay cash for it, it's not going to happen. So Disney as a financier of it is not really incentive for me to buy from them.



Also, while it is not an exact figure, expect another $500 a year in dues for every 100 points you own. There is an exact point breakdown if you want to try and add it up. I think that if you need a 1 BR or above, DVC is the way to go. If you go studios, then I think it is a break even with a moderate resort after you add in tickets and dues. But, when you stay at BLT, BWV, or BC you have a short walk to the theme park and a short boat ride to DHS or WVL. You can walk to DHS from BWV or BCV, but it is further. Also, the 1 BR and above have an extra bathroom at BLT and AKV.

The idea of a one bedroom is REALLY appealing. Especially as the kids get older, it would be really nice to have a separate bedroom. All the price comparisons we are doing are based on comparing a studio to a deluxe. We've been fortunate in that there has been fairly major discounts every time we've been for the past couple of years. It makes running the numbers more complex. If I compare rack rates to DVC the payoff is fairly rapid. If I compare current rack rates but apply conservative versions of the discounts we have gotten in the past, the payoff takes longer.

Even still it basically boils down to " If we are going to go to Disney more than 7 times in the next 40 years" this makes sense. Between kids and grandkids I'm pretty sure that's going to happen.

Thanks for all your advice everyone.

IamTrike
01-14-2012, 10:33 PM
They range from 300-1000 points *per* person. My long term goal is to have enough points when I retire that my wife and I can go on one of these every other year or so.

Here's some samples, the first column is for Adults, second is for children.

ALASKA: Taming the Last Frontier 8 Days / 7 Nights 571 543
AMERICAN SOUTHWEST: Southwest Splendors 8 Days / 7 Nights 447 426
CALIFORNIA: Backstage Magic 6 Days / 5 Nights 368 350
CANADA: Roaming the Rockies 7 Days / 6 Nights 486 463
MID-ATLANTIC: Spirit of America 8 Days / 7 Nights 426 406
WYOMING: Quest for the West 7 Days / 6 Nights 443 421

THE ALPS: Alpine Magic 8 Days / 7 Nights 626 594
ENGLAND & FRANCE: Cities of Knights & Lights 8 Days / 7 Nights 731 696
FRANCE: Esprit de France 8 Days / 7 Nights 707 673
GERMANY: Once Upon a Fairytale 9 Days / 8 Nights 543 516
GREECE: Greek Odyssey 10 Days / 9 Nights 687 653
IRELAND: The Emerald Isle 8 Days / 7 Nights 586 557
CENTRAL ITALY: Bella Italia 8 Days / 7 Nights 591 561
ITALY: Viva Italia 9 Days / 8 Nights 661 630
ITALY: Viva Italia Signature 9 Days / 8 Nights 926 880

Okay those prices crazy high. Points seem to go for about $10-14 on the resale market. That means some of these trips are like $7k per person. That'd be awesome if you can swing it. I don't know that we'll be able to afford it ever around this house.

AirGoofy
01-14-2012, 10:41 PM
Even still it basically boils down to " If we are going to go to Disney more than 7 times in the next 40 years" this makes sense. Between kids and grandkids I'm pretty sure that's going to happen.

Thanks for all your advice everyone.

Good luck. We are glad we did it. Even though we went the financing route, we did pay it off a few months later. I'm not sure what I was thinking by doing that.

Another thing you can consider is purchasing a smaller contract resale, and then once you are a DVC member, you can purchase add on contracts thru Disney 25 points at a time, but you wouldn't get the discounted rate. Also, all your Use Years would be the same then.

stopher1
01-14-2012, 11:01 PM
Yeah I asked that question prematurely. The information they sent me included pricing PP at every level for SSR,VGC,BLT and AKV. It varied a little bit from what you sent. SSR is cheaper 99 PP and AKV is 120 PP and BLT is 150 PP. for 100-150 points after that they all dip.

I can't remember right now if it was in an email from my guide or somewhere else, but SSR is slated to go up in the next few weeks as well - I think early February. Granted it's still a lot less than the others, but I think it was headed up to $105 or 110 pp.

AKV is supposedly going up to 125 as well. When I first bought AKV, it was 92 pp. You can find a lot of resale contracts for much less than buying direct from Disney.



I was thinking more along the line of volume discounts. It looks like I have to be buying at least 160 points for that to kick in though.

That's kind of what I was trying to demonstrate by that chart - the price dips a little bit when you buy more points. But negotiation is never a part of the equation. The price is the price, but depending on how many you buy you might get a little discount. But the way they administer the discount has changed through the years as well. DVC is a constantly changing organization when it comes to their sales tactics. If sales are slow, they might drop announce a price point drop, as they did a couple of times last year with SSR... but conversely, if they want to push one inventory over another, they might raise the price in order slow sales at a specific resort - again at SSR last year - at one point they raised the price up to $120, only to drop it again to $105, and then down to $99. They did that with OKW as well. I also got an email recently that AKV will be going up to $135. So everything fluctuates.

With the recent announcement of the Villas at the Grand Floridian they're going to try and move that inventory so that they can start that sale out well. I can only imagine what the opening price point will be.


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I looked at Disney's but 11% financing seems really high. If we can't pay cash for it, it's not going to happen. So Disney as a financier of it is not really incentive for me to buy from them.

And like other things with Disney - it is what it is. They don't negotiate on their financing either. Paying cash is the best way to buy.



The idea of a one bedroom is REALLY appealing. Especially as the kids get older, it would be really nice to have a separate bedroom. All the price comparisons we are doing are based on comparing a studio to a deluxe. We've been fortunate in that there has been fairly major discounts every time we've been for the past couple of years. It makes running the numbers more complex. If I compare rack rates to DVC the payoff is fairly rapid. If I compare current rack rates but apply conservative versions of the discounts we have gotten in the past, the payoff takes longer.

We absolutely love the 1 BR's and larger. Especially having teenagers. Oh my goodness, the space is so nice. It is wonderful to have the washer & dryer, and the kitchen, and, and and....



Even still it basically boils down to " If we are going to go to Disney more than 7 times in the next 40 years" this makes sense. Between kids and grandkids I'm pretty sure that's going to happen.

Thanks for all your advice everyone.

Comparing rack rates is the only way that their marketing works - with them saying it only takes 6 or 7 vacations to break even. With all of the sales & discounts that Disney has offered in the past decade, it definitely takes longer to break even - but it will happen. And with hotel room rates going up 4 - 6% annually, it will be worth it for you to join. But more worth it if you buy resale.

Cinderella's Fella
02-03-2012, 06:38 AM
I see that the Timeshare store has so good buys on resale points for Vero Beach. Can these be used at any DVC resort?

dvczerfs
02-03-2012, 06:49 AM
I see that the Timeshare store has so good buys on resale points for Vero Beach. Can these be used at any DVC resort?

yes sir, vero would be your home resort meaning, you can book your room at vero as early as 11 months from your arive time.
if you want to stay at another dvc resort, okw,bw etc... you can make your resi at the 7 month window. :thumbsup2

stopher1
02-03-2012, 07:55 AM
I see that the Timeshare store has so good buys on resale points for Vero Beach. Can these be used at any DVC resort?

yes sir, vero would be your home resort meaning, you can book your room at vero as early as 11 months from your arive time.
if you want to stay at another dvc resort, okw,bw etc... you can make your resi at the 7 month window. :thumbsup2


Yes, as Dave said, you can. DVC points are good at any of the (currently 11) DVC resorts... at 7 months prior to your reservation date. The resort you buy in at is your home resort, which you have the priority advantage of making reservations up to 11 months prior to your reservation date... which can be good at heavily traveled times of the year, especially good when coupled with smaller resorts. I.E. Wilderness Lodge at Christmas time, or the Treehouses any time, or Beach Club during Food & Wine, etc, etc.

While VB and HHI both are lower per point cost, they both have some of the highest maintenance fees around. And in the long run, its' not the purchase price that will be your largest spend on DVC, but those annual dues. So while you can use VB points anywhere - remember those dues, because they don't go away until you sell the contract or die, but even then they get transferred to your heirs.

Cinderella's Fella
02-03-2012, 08:37 AM
Thanks Dave and Christopher! I didn't think about dues, will add that into any decisions we make. :thumbsup2

AirGoofy
02-04-2012, 07:22 AM
I see that the Timeshare store has so good buys on resale points for Vero Beach. Can these be used at any DVC resort?

Vero Beach has a great resort as only 90 minutes away (?) from WDW. Dave and Christopher talked about the dues and buy in. The other thing I would add is that technically, Disney could say that you can only stay at your home resort. Now, I don't think that would ever happen, but reservation system changes, point charts change, new resorts are added, etc. So, for me, it is buy the resort where you want to stay every year if you had to.

stopher1
02-04-2012, 08:27 AM
Vero Beach has a great resort as only 90 minutes away (?) from WDW. Dave and Christopher talked about the dues and buy in. The other thing I would add is that technically, Disney could say that you can only stay at your home resort. Now, I don't think that would ever happen, but reservation system changes, point charts change, new resorts are added, etc. So, for me, it is buy the resort where you want to stay every year if you had to.

This is a very good point to add Norm - and part of the reason that we diversified our portfolio of points. While it hasn't happened in the past 20 years... no one knows what might happen in the next 20 or 40 years. It is entirely Disney's option to put into place.

Cinderella's Fella
02-04-2012, 09:04 AM
Vero Beach has a great resort as only 90 minutes away (?) from WDW. Dave and Christopher talked about the dues and buy in. The other thing I would add is that technically, Disney could say that you can only stay at your home resort. Now, I don't think that would ever happen, but reservation system changes, point charts change, new resorts are added, etc. So, for me, it is buy the resort where you want to stay every year if you had to.

This is a very good point to add Norm - and part of the reason that we diversified our portfolio of points. While it hasn't happened in the past 20 years... no one knows what might happen in the next 20 or 40 years. It is entirely Disney's option to put into place.

Thanks Norm and Christopher, we are looking at OKW as our home, but when I saw $40 a point at VB, I saw a savings. But looking at the fees of over $6 a point, it's not going to happen. So we're looking for a good buy at OKW again.

stopher1
02-04-2012, 09:09 AM
Thanks Norm and Christopher, we are looking at OKW as our home, but when I saw $40 a point at VB, I saw a savings. But looking at the fees of over $6 a point, it's not going to happen. So we're looking for a good buy at OKW again.

We love OKW. I like staying there. On our last family trip, DW was musing about picking up some points there because she liked it so much. But she still wants WL first, so we didn't do it.

AirGoofy
02-04-2012, 01:35 PM
This is a very good point to add Norm - and part of the reason that we diversified our portfolio of points. While it hasn't happened in the past 20 years... no one knows what might happen in the next 20 or 40 years. It is entirely Disney's option to put into place.

Us to. We own at SSR & BLT. I'd like to pick up some BWV points as well. MK is my favorite so BLT makes sense. SSR for away from park and close to DTD. I really like the Boardwalk area and would like to add there, but am worried with the earlier expiring contract.

10dedfish
02-04-2012, 05:55 PM
I looked into buying into DVC, but Im not sure I could cough up that much money to buy in. Is there a DVC for Dummies book out there? :lmao:

Matt

Cinderella's Fella
02-04-2012, 07:03 PM
I looked into buying into DVC, but Im not sure I could cough up that much money to buy in. Is there a DVC for Dummies book out there? :lmao:

Matt

Miss Turner. You're in one.

10dedfish
02-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt

AirGoofy
02-05-2012, 08:55 AM
Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt

You've got 14 pages to read here which may help.
# of points depends on people? studio (4), 1 Br (5), 2 BR (8), GV

Then, how often you go? yearly, every 2 years? You can bank and borrow so you may buy 1/2 or 1/3 points.

Where do you want to stay? Which resort do you want to buy into?

Finally, resale vs direct. You can purchase points resale, which have some restrictions, but not for staying at DVC resorts. Resale can save you lots of money and you can add on later.

As for dues, each resort has a different value, but guess $500 for every 100 points you own.

Also, UY is important for travel planning, as when you go.

I'm sure I need to expand on those. Any particular?

Cinderella's Fella
02-05-2012, 08:58 AM
Im guess that was some reference to a Leonardo diCaprio move, but Im not sure.

Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.

How much was it to buy it? How many points are required to get a decent vacation? What are the yearly upkeep fees? These are the things that I would like to know.

TiA,

Matt

What I understand is if you buy from Disney, you need to buy a minimum of 160 points. Point prices very from resort to resort. You can buy resale for any amount of points. Dave, Christopher please correct me if I'm wrong.

stopher1
02-05-2012, 09:21 AM
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl.



What I understand is if you buy from Disney, you need to buy a minimum of 160 points. Point prices very from resort to resort. You can buy resale for any amount of points. Dave, Christopher please correct me if I'm wrong.

There are two basic sources for points within the DVC system. Direct from Disney - or on the resale market, buying someone else's points who no longer wants them for one reason or another (sometimes it's not that they don't want them, but can no longer afford them to any number of reasons i.e. job loss, divorce, they're inheirited points and the successor never really wanted them like the bequeathor did... etc, etc).

Disney requires a certain number of points to be purchased when buying direct. The rule is 160 points, although they do offer a couple of resorts where it can be as low as 100.

Buying resale does not have a minimum number to purchase. You find a contract that suits you, you make an offer, and if it is accepted, it goes before Disney for their "Right of First Refusal" process (they retain the right to buy any contract at the same terms that the seller & buyer agrees to). If Disney passes on their right, the contract moves to closing process. If they exercise their right, then they buy the contract and you start searching for a new one.

The lowest number of points that someone can buy resale is 25. But contact amounts go up from there. (That's because that is the lowest number of points Disney will sell directly. Purchasers can get points from 25 up to 49 direct, in any amount, and must pay cash for them. Once a contract is 50 points or more, direct purchasers can finance them if they so desire.). Once you close on a contract, you are a DVC member, and viewed pretty much the same as any other DVC member. Why only pretty much? That comes down to what you can do with your resale points. As of March 20, 2011, those who bought resale could no longer use their resale points for any of the Disney Collection offerings (WDW non-DVC resorts, DLR, international Disney locations, ABD and DCL). Other than that, you are viewed the same.

When buying direct from Disney, you have the opportunity to select the number of points you want. It does not have to be a set number such as 160. If you want to buy in with 173, they'll sell them to you. Usuallly though most people just buy the minimum, and then if they add more points later, that's when the "off" amounts start to show up. For example not too long ago I saw a resale contract for 37 points. How someone determined they needed 37 more I can't say 100%, though I'm pretty sure it was from whatever their base amount was, plus whatever they needed to secure that "perfect" trip for x number of years down the road.


Knowing how many points you need depends on a variety of factors. SOme people approach DVC as they do traditional timeshares, where they go the same week every year, and like to stay in the same size accomodations every year. Those folks pretty much know they need x number of points.

Then there are those of us who like to mix things up, and enjoy the flexibility that the points system allows for. Different resorts, different times of the year, for different lengths of stay. That can make it a bit harder when you are trying to determine what you "need". Thus the joy of adding on comes into play. And banking and borrowing. But it helps to keep your vacations fresh. Thanks to DVC we've enjoyed every season of the year at a Disney park, and so far 9 of the 11 DVC resorts. We've gone full family, just as a couple, I've gone solo, and we've brought the folks, and in laws and nephews as well. We aren't locked in to one specific week and we love it!

I hope that all helps somewhat. What you "need" is completely up to you and your vacation style -both now, and anticipated style in the future.

10dedfish
02-06-2012, 06:00 AM
There are two basic sources for points within the DVC system. Direct from Disney - or on the resale market, buying someone else's points who no longer wants them for one reason or another (sometimes it's not that they don't want them, but can no longer afford them to any number of reasons i.e. job loss, divorce, they're inheirited points and the successor never really wanted them like the bequeathor did... etc, etc).

Disney requires a certain number of points to be purchased when buying direct. The rule is 160 points, although they do offer a couple of resorts where it can be as low as 100.

Buying resale does not have a minimum number to purchase. You find a contract that suits you, you make an offer, and if it is accepted, it goes before Disney for their "Right of First Refusal" process (they retain the right to buy any contract at the same terms that the seller & buyer agrees to). If Disney passes on their right, the contract moves to closing process. If they exercise their right, then they buy the contract and you start searching for a new one.

The lowest number of points that someone can buy resale is 25. But contact amounts go up from there. (That's because that is the lowest number of points Disney will sell directly. Purchasers can get points from 25 up to 49 direct, in any amount, and must pay cash for them. Once a contract is 50 points or more, direct purchasers can finance them if they so desire.). Once you close on a contract, you are a DVC member, and viewed pretty much the same as any other DVC member. Why only pretty much? That comes down to what you can do with your resale points. As of March 20, 2011, those who bought resale could no longer use their resale points for any of the Disney Collection offerings (WDW non-DVC resorts, DLR, international Disney locations, ABD and DCL). Other than that, you are viewed the same.

When buying direct from Disney, you have the opportunity to select the number of points you want. It does not have to be a set number such as 160. If you want to buy in with 173, they'll sell them to you. Usuallly though most people just buy the minimum, and then if they add more points later, that's when the "off" amounts start to show up. For example not too long ago I saw a resale contract for 37 points. How someone determined they needed 37 more I can't say 100%, though I'm pretty sure it was from whatever their base amount was, plus whatever they needed to secure that "perfect" trip for x number of years down the road.


Knowing how many points you need depends on a variety of factors. SOme people approach DVC as they do traditional timeshares, where they go the same week every year, and like to stay in the same size accomodations every year. Those folks pretty much know they need x number of points.

Then there are those of us who like to mix things up, and enjoy the flexibility that the points system allows for. Different resorts, different times of the year, for different lengths of stay. That can make it a bit harder when you are trying to determine what you "need". Thus the joy of adding on comes into play. And banking and borrowing. But it helps to keep your vacations fresh. Thanks to DVC we've enjoyed every season of the year at a Disney park, and so far 9 of the 11 DVC resorts. We've gone full family, just as a couple, I've gone solo, and we've brought the folks, and in laws and nephews as well. We aren't locked in to one specific week and we love it!

I hope that all helps somewhat. What you "need" is completely up to you and your vacation style -both now, and anticipated style in the future.

thanks guys!

Im still a little confused on how all this works, but Im going to try and make time to read the previous 14 pages and make heads or tails of it. Im just not sure that I have the disposable income to support right now.

Cheers!

Matt

patkingpin
02-08-2012, 12:09 PM
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?

stopher1
02-08-2012, 02:17 PM
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?


If you are going to go anyway - and you plan to continue to regularly go for the foreseeable future - and you stay in more than moderate anyway - and you realize that all you're buying are accommodations and that tickets, & food & transportation are all extra but only needed when you plan to hit the parks (because there is such a thing as non-park stays in the future that can be just as or :scared1: ever more enjoyable than park trips) - then yes it is worth while.

Naturally financing is going to make the break-even point take longer than if you paid cash, but I'm not here to say you shouldn't do it that way. That's your business, and not mine. I have done both with our contracts, and have no qualms about what we paid cash for nor what we financed. Everyone's financial situation is their own to deal with, and doesn't need to be debated on the boards (hint - stay away from many of the threads on the DVC boards, because you will get some pretty heated, nasty commentary about the evils of financing anything - and conversely some pretty nasty comments about giving away a large chunk of cash for this type of purchase too).

It is a big thing to decide though. Don't do it lightly. Once you're in, you're in, and there is a long-term commitment to annual maintenance dues. Now truth be told, once you've hit the break-even point, those maintenance dues are much less than you'll pay for that Deluxe room at the Beach Club, and will in fact average out to be as if you're paying for a room at a value resort. So yeah, it can be very worthwhile, which of course makes those park tickets and food costs & transportation seem very easy to handle. And you just can't beat the longer you've had it - those semi-spontaneous weekend trips where you don't care which resort you're at - just that you're there, or getaways with your spouse in addition to whatever you might do as a family...
and, and, and....


So there's your "you can do it" pep talk... now just wait for someone else to chime in with why you shouldn't do it.

popcorn::

AirGoofy
02-08-2012, 09:40 PM
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?

I'll play the anti-pep talk. Well, not really.

If you like the BCV, then that is where you should buy as that is F&W festival, and dvc fills up fast at 11 months. Your contract dates are not as long as BLT, but they may offer an extension like they did OKW.

Your math is right on point totals. You also need to figure roughly $500 per 100 points in dues. So, that's another $1250(?) a year before you leave the house, plus food, plus tickets. It is a big initial purchase. And, if the point chart increases or if you go a different time of year, you may need to buy more points.

If you buy direct thru Disney, their financing is 10%. You may be cheaper going thru resale as they have banks they work with to get you the sale. With Disney, the purchase price will be higher, but the perk is your guide will book your reservation for this year. They have the magic. If you go resale, you will get a lower purchase price, financing is ?, but you have to wait ROFR, and if approved, then make your booking like everyone else - first come first serve.

Another option to consider is to buy 1/2 the points you need. I know you said 1 BR, but they only sleep 4 (5 if infant under 3). Could you get buy with studio? If not, stay with your original 260 need and buy a 130 point contract. You could borrow from one UY & have 260. It would only mean a trip every other year, but it would save initial cost. And, of you could get buy with studio, then you may be looking at 150 points, or half that if bank/borrow. I'm not sure what Disney minimum buy in is for BC, and BCV are hard to find on resale.

Another option to consider is UY. You can't bank points in the last 4 months, so it is encouraged that you travel in the first 8 months, in case something happened, you could unbook your trip and bank points to next year. If you miss the window, then you have to use them before the UY ends or they expire. That may never be an issue for you. If you buy Disney, your purchase month is UY. If you go resale, it has already been selected.

As for borrowing, that is a tough decision. We had the money to buy outright, but we bought a smaller contract on resale. We did the financing thru bank recommended by TSS, and they were great to work with, but I struggled seeing a payment go out each month. So, we just paid it off after a few months. I started to associate angst with my Disney vacation from monthly payments, which is not a good pair.

You have a lot of decisions to make. Good luck.

patkingpin
02-09-2012, 12:53 PM
Thank you for the replies both of you. Your responses have raised a couple more questions.
If we want to buy BCV through Disney I know we would probably have to waitlist, is this generally a long process? Also, how can I find out how much per point Disney is charging right now without talking to a DVC rep? (I like to wait until I need to talk to them for the last possible moment, lol).
I know there is going to be a new DVC at Grand Floridian. Is there any word when those go on sale and how much per point they would be? That would be the only other resort the wife would want as the home resort.
I know I can buy half the points and bank and borrow, but if we go every year, this wouldn't be smart right, or am I missing somethng?
Use Year. We go the first week in October every year. I would assume then a September use year would be ideal. Based on a response above, does this mean that we need to wait until September to purchase?

Thank you again everyone!

stopher1
02-09-2012, 01:13 PM
Thank you for the replies both of you. Your responses have raised a couple more questions.
If we want to buy BCV through Disney I know we would probably have to waitlist, is this generally a long process? Also, how can I find out how much per point Disney is charging right now without talking to a DVC rep? (I like to wait until I need to talk to them for the last possible moment, lol).
I know there is going to be a new DVC at Grand Floridian. Is there any word when those go on sale and how much per point they would be? That would be the only other resort the wife would want as the home resort.
I know I can buy half the points and bank and borrow, but if we go every year, this wouldn't be smart right, or am I missing somethng?
Use Year. We go the first week in October every year. I would assume then a September use year would be ideal. Based on a response above, does this mean that we need to wait until September to purchase?

Thank you again everyone!

A great resource to bookmark is dvcnews.com They list out all of the current pricing for each of the resorts - both current and "sold out" (Disney will sell any resort, even the sold out ones, directly to you, as long as they have any inventory of points).

If you are referring to waitlisting to purchase a contract, then I will say that it is really a mysterious gamble, in that nobody knows when a contract will come available. People list contracts for sale everyday, but that doesn't mean that people are listing BCV everyday, and that is the most sought after resale property that Disney consistently exercises their ROFR on. My guess as to when a contract might come available is worth about the same as yours. I have no clue. The best thing to do if you want to go that route is contact Disney and the resale companies and let them know what you are interested in, and then wait. But be ready to act whenever you get the call that points are available - because Disney will usually only give 24 or 48 hours to respond since the demand is so great. Not sure about the resale companies, but since most BCV contracts are ROFR'd by Disney... that side is almost futile in my thinking. But again - I don't know. It seems to be anybody's guess.

The Grand Floridian villas were just formally announced at the DVC Member meeting in December. They have not yet said when points will go on sale, but generally in the past with other resorts, they've gone on sale up to a couple of years prior to the grand opening of the new resort. Typically it takes about 3 years (+/-) to build out, so my guess is they'll go on sale later this year. Perhaps in the fall. Not sure what the price point will be, but since BLT is currently selling for $150 per point, that's probably where GFV will start.

UY - you can ask for any UY from Disney, and if they have points in that particular inventory, they can sell them to you. On the "currently being marketed" resorts they do prefer to sell whatever UY they happen to be pushing... so ask. If you are looking at a resale contract, then UY will be listed out as part of the resale listing, and that can be part of your search for a contract.

If you know you'll be going every year, then banking & borrowing isn't going to help you at all. If you truly will go every year, then you should determine how many you'll "need" in a given year, and buy an amount a little above that (since reallocations have happened and will happen again in the future no doubt)... or find a resale contract that is close to that amount needed.

AirGoofy
02-09-2012, 05:54 PM
Yeah, everything Stopher said. I didn't know BCV resale was ROFR'ed that much, as long as the offer was reasonable. I agree with Stopher, call resale or Disney. When we called TSS to both buy and sell a contract, they gave us the ROFR speech and then also said they thought this amount would pass ROFR. And, they were right on both occasions.

As for the banking/ borrowing, I was just trying to give you some financial relief suggestion. If you could buy half the points this year and half the points next year, then maybe you wouldn't have to finance as much. But, you then would have to hope for another contract to come along, which may be really difficult.

DEA
02-13-2012, 12:09 PM
It is that time of year again. You know, that time of year when I look at how much I am about to spend to book a 1 bedroom villa at Beach Club and wonder why I am not DVC.
So, I priced things out. I did a room only estimate at rack rate and it showed me $5200 to book from 9/29-10/7. Then I did a points look up and it came to 240 for the same dates. How can I justify not buying into DVC now?
Oh let me add this, we go every year (or try to). And for next year we are looking at going to Aulani. I priced the points and it came to 254 (ish) points.
So I probably would want to buy 260 points if I buy in.
I would need to finance the purchase and our credit is ummm not great (working on it). I am guessing we would have to finance direct through Disney then. We would need to waitlist because we would want Beach Club.
We have a 2 year old daughter and will look to go every year from here on out.
Dads, I urge you to help me. Tell me why we should not be DVC members?

I'm not going to come down one way or the other on the buy-it/don't-buy-it question; I'd love to have it, but we're going to need a bigger house before we buy what amounts to a vacation home. But have you thought about renting points for the upcoming trip(s)?

I've been renting points from DVC members for the past couple of years for our family vacation to WDW, and it's worked out well. I was able to get BLT last year and AKL for this year from the same guy, paying $11/pt. So, for your math, you'd still come out ahead if you were renting for $20/pt rather than paying rack rate through Disney. You can usually find things for, at most, $13/point through the DVC points resellers online. There is an element of trust involved, but there are contract templates around that can protect the interests of both parties if you are arranging things privately, or, again, you could go through a reseller (re-renter, I guess) to reduce the risk at a slightly higher price.

If nothing else, it lets you get a feel for what staying on points feels like for a given accommodation category, and may help you make your decision. Or, like in my case, punting it down the road for later while still enjoying the amenities of DVC without the high up-front commitment.

patkingpin
02-16-2012, 09:33 AM
Thanks dads! Here is the decision we made. Depending on how much of a bonus I get this year determines whether we buy this year or not. Simple, huh?
Yeah, so in the meantime we will be booking a one-bedroom villa at Beach Club and putting the $200 deposit down. The wife is super excited for this so it works. Plus, I will know it the next few weeks about the bonus.
Now, do we know if I decide to buy DVC, would they be able to transfer this reservation to points and possibly apply the $200 deposit to my DVC down payment?

stopher1
02-16-2012, 10:22 AM
Now, do we know if I decide to buy DVC, would they be able to transfer this reservation to points and possibly apply the $200 deposit to my DVC down payment?

No. That would not be possible. Beach Club (reserved through CRO) and DVC are two completely different parts of the Disney Company that don't play nicely together.


You would need to first secure your DVC purchase, and then once you are able to do so, secure a points reservation, if you can get one, through DVC's Member Services.
Then then once that is taken care of, cancel your Beach Club reservation; provided you are within the cancellation period, CRO will then refund your deposit back to you via the original method of payment, so if by cc then back by cc, or if by check, then back by check...this can sometimes take as many as 10 days to credit it back to you.
Then if you so choose, you can take that $200 that you get back and apply it towards your your DVC purchase, or simply replace the funds that you'll need to use towards your DVC down payment.

AirGoofy
02-19-2012, 03:50 PM
For those who missed on the main thread, I bought a 100 point contract at Boardwalk at $67 per point. You have to add $582 for dues and $400 for closing costs and that is the total. It was advertised for 1 day.

All of our resale transactions have been through TSS and they are great to work with. Disney is great to work with as well, just cheaper through resale. I realize that now, any resales have restrictions about how you can use your points, but we only plan to use them at the DVC resorts.

Now, we have enough points for two studio stays per year - a week at BLT and a week at BWV. And, some SSR points to use as well. We still have to wait for ROFR, so we may not get those BWV points, but buying small resale contracts thru TSS has worked great for us.

Goofy + 3
02-20-2012, 11:29 AM
For those who missed on the main thread, I bought a 100 point contract at Boardwalk at $67 per point. You have to add $582 for dues and $400 for closing costs and that is the total. It was advertised for 1 day.

All of our resale transactions have been through TSS and they are great to work with. Disney is great to work with as well, just cheaper through resale. I realize that now, any resales have restrictions about how you can use your points, but we only plan to use them at the DVC resorts.

Now, we have enough points for two studio stays per year - a week at BLT and a week at BWV. And, some SSR points to use as well. We still have to wait for ROFR, so we may not get those BWV points, but buying small resale contracts thru TSS has worked great for us.

Congratulations! We love the Boardwalk. They've really gone down in price the last few years for resale.

AirGoofy
02-20-2012, 11:43 AM
Congratulations! We love the Boardwalk. They've really gone down in price the last few years for resale.

I noticed that as well. Think it's the expiration date? At first, I was worried about the contract ending in 2042. Then, I thought at age 68, how many more vacations do I really need to worry about.

Goofy + 3
02-20-2012, 01:46 PM
I noticed that as well. Think it's the expiration date? At first, I was worried about the contract ending in 2042. Then, I thought at age 68, how many more vacations do I really need to worry about.

The end date is why I flip-flop between AKV and BWV. The extra 15 years would be nice but I love the location of the EPCOT resorts. Ultimately I agree with you though. By 2042 I will have gotten my money's worth. Was your contract loaded up or stripped?

stopher1
02-20-2012, 01:53 PM
I noticed that as well. Think it's the expiration date? At first, I was worried about the contract ending in 2042. Then, I thought at age 68, how many more vacations do I really need to worry about.

Depends Norm... you could live in to you 90's. So many folks in their 70's are still very active travelers...

We have longevity in our family background, short of my FIL passing at 78, so we're hoping that it will be more of a problem to pass it on to our children than to worry about than have a contract that runs out while we're still kicking and wanting to go places!

All of ours will start to expire when we're 84. Hoping we will still be traveling up to that point. My FIL's last trip was when he was 77. My grandmother, who also passed last year at 93 took her last vacation at 88 - so yeah, we want contracts that last beyond out 60's!

AirGoofy
02-20-2012, 02:43 PM
The end date is why I flip-flop between AKV and BWV. The extra 15 years would be nice but I love the location of the EPCOT resorts. Ultimately I agree with you though. By 2042 I will have gotten my money's worth. Was your contract loaded up or stripped?

No bonus. I get the 2012 points. I'm happy with that.

Depends Norm... you could live in to you 90's. So many folks in their 70's are still very active travelers...

We have longevity in our family background, short of my FIL passing at 78, so we're hoping that it will be more of a problem to pass it on to our children than to worry about than have a contract that runs out while we're still kicking and wanting to go places!

All of ours will start to expire when we're 84. Hoping we will still be traveling up to that point. My FIL's last trip was when he was 77. My grandmother, who also passed last year at 93 took her last vacation at 88 - so yeah, we want contracts that last beyond out 60's!

True, and while I hope for many trips after that, I will still have my BLT and SSR points. Plus, my goal is to retire to live close to WDW or coast. They may offer an extension like at okw. But, if not, i'll have to settle for BLT.

stopher1
02-22-2012, 08:25 AM
As of yesterday, 2/21, Saratoga Springs is once again officially listed as "Sold Out", though the reality is of course that they'll still sell points to people that want them, provided they have them in inventory. This is now the 2nd time the resort has reached the sell out status. The first time was through the normal course of sales of the original resort, and now this time it's from the addition of the 60 Treehouse Villas that became part of SSR when they opened in June 2009. Most recently the focus of the WDW sales team has been SSR, moving points at $99 per point. Granted a lot higher than many resale contracts, but for folks who wanted to buy direct for one reason or another - it sure beat $150 at BLT!

The next active focus is going to be AKV. They want to move those points, but according to a poster on DVCNews who regularly follows and tracks all DVC sales data, Disney still holds something like 2.5M points there to sell before it will be off the active sales market.

By reaching this milestone, DVC now only has a very small number of points available at BLT, a large number of points available at AKV, and a sizeable number of points available at Aulani. I believe they will work hard to reduce AKV as much as possible before they start sales of the new Grand Floridian Villas. From a few in the know that I know, management, while happy to have inventory to sell, wasn't thrilled with having so many active properties at WDW all at the same time. It'll be interesting to watch and see what they do with the AKV price point, which has recently risen to $135 pp. My guess is they'll lower it to spur sales for a while, then get cocky and raise it again.

AirGoofy
02-22-2012, 12:20 PM
I was hoping they would drop the BLT points to sell out, but I guess not. I was hoping for another 50 there. But, 100 (fingers crossed) at BWV worked out well for us. No more addons for awhile.

Grubbsy
03-13-2012, 02:27 PM
Being the newest member to DisBoards, I am also behind on my knowledge of DVC.

My inlaws are members and they love it. I just can't get my head wrapped around the "maintenance fees"

Also, I know you can buy points from different websites. Is there one in particular I should be looking at? I usually look here (http://www.dvc-resales.com/dvclisting-P.cfm). Is that the best resource?

AirGoofy
03-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Being the newest member to DisBoards, I am also behind on my knowledge of DVC.

My inlaws are members and they love it. I just can't get my head wrapped around the "maintenance fees"

Also, I know you can buy points from different websites. Is there one in particular I should be looking at? I usually look here (http://www.dvc-resales.com/dvclisting-P.cfm). Is that the best resource?

I bought and sold mine resale from Timeshare Store, sponsor above. They were great. As for maintanence fees, think of it as $500 for 100 points. That is not an exact number, but a round figure. If you own a 100 points at a DVC resort, that is a week at a studio, depending on the season. These are deluxe rooms, which means closer to theme park, amenities, fridge, lower bus traffic, games and slides at resort pools, dining, etc.

So, you figure the cost of a direct or resale purchase vs paying to stay at the resort OOP. Yes, the buy in is steep (less for resale) & you add dues each year. But, you only pay the buy in once as opposed to each trip. Think of it as pre-paying 40 years of hotel stays on property at Disney resorts.

RodBelding
03-17-2012, 01:13 PM
Guys, just a reminder that the property tax portion of your annual dues should be deductible on your tax returns. Don't forget to include it when you do your taxes. ;)

AirGoofy
03-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Guys, just a reminder that the property tax portion of your annual dues should be deductible on your tax returns. Don't forget to include it when you do your taxes. ;)

Definitely.

AirGoofy
03-21-2012, 04:38 PM
We officially passed ROFR for BWV resale. Now, just have to sign the contract and send the money. Hopefully, the contract and points will be finalized in time for me to book April 2013 at the Boardwalk. A Fall Break BLT trip and BWV Spring Break trip. Thanks DVC. I guess there is still an option we may go to Vero Abeach resort next Spring Break.

that's nice
04-13-2012, 08:31 PM
Hey...

Thanks for setting up this thread Carl. Thanks Stopher (and everyone else) for all your DVC knowledge.

I've been researching houses south of Rt. 192 in the Windsor Palms Windsor Hills area. While there are great deals in the housing market, the rental market is saturated with rental houses. Looking on VRBO and other home rental sites makes me scared to buy a house to try to break even.

With that being said, DW has been talking about DVC. She isn't too enthused with buying a house at this time. I've started researching DVC and I have only gotten through the first 4 pages of this thread. I'm sure I'll have some questions for you guys. Who knows, maybe I can join your club soon. :surfweb:

that's nice
04-13-2012, 08:38 PM
I just though of my first question (first of many I'm sure)...

What is the advantage of buying DVC direct from Disney. I do know about the changes in use (ie transferring DVC for DCL, adventures by disney etc) of the resale points vs direct points. I was looking at some 250-260 point contracts on resale that don't seem to be too expensive. I think that is the amount of points I would need for 2 trips per year or enough to bank for a trip that includes extended family.

Thanks! :thumbsup2


EDIT:: Guess I should of read the entire thread before I asked questions... pg 14 http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=43937800&postcount=209

AirGoofy
04-13-2012, 09:32 PM
I just though of my first question (first of many I'm sure)...

What is the advantage of buying DVC direct from Disney. I do know about the changes in use (ie transferring DVC for DCL, adventures by disney etc) of the resale points vs direct points. I was looking at some 250-260 point contracts on resale that don't seem to be too expensive. I think that is the amount of points I would need for 2 trips per year or enough to bank for a trip that includes extended family.

Thanks! :thumbsup2


EDIT:: Guess I should of read the entire thread before I asked questions... pg 14 http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=43937800&postcount=209

That's the main advantage. The others is time. With resale, you wait a lot longer for points. Also, with a new DVC, you may get developer points and basically get 2 years of points for price of one.

patkingpin
05-02-2012, 09:35 PM
I am about to pull the trigger finally!!
I spoke with a DVC rep tonight for about a half hour. He was great and answered all of my questions. Now to finalize the math and tell myself everything will be ok.
I am going to be the proud owner of 245 points at BCV!!!!

AirGoofy
05-03-2012, 08:23 AM
I am about to pull the trigger finally!!
I spoke with a DVC rep tonight for about a half hour. He was great and answered all of my questions. Now to finalize the math and tell myself everything will be ok.
I am going to be the proud owner of 245 points at BCV!!!!

That is terrific. BC is the only WDW DVC resort we haven't stayed, but plan to get there one day. Welcome home.

patkingpin
05-03-2012, 09:54 AM
Thanks!!!
I know it makes sense for us because we stay at the BCV every trip in a one bedroom villa. Instead of paying rack rate, this makes much more sense to us. Plus, we want to go to Hawaii next year and this will get us there!!

AirGoofy
05-03-2012, 10:33 AM
Thanks!!!
I know it makes sense for us because we stay at the BCV every trip in a one bedroom villa. Instead of paying rack rate, this makes much more sense to us. Plus, we want to go to Hawaii next year and this will get us there!!

We did a 1 BR stay one time at SSR and were blown away by the room. Currently, we have the option of two trips a year in studios or one trip a year in 1 BR. We have opted for 2 trips. My dds are now 10 & 8, and that extra space (& extra bathroom at BLT) looks promising. I see a new addon in the horizon.

Have fun planning. I did excel spread sheets through 2018 for a few of them (assuming no point changes) about borrowing points, different size rooms, multiple trips, etc. Just even more fun.

The Disney Fanatic
05-03-2012, 10:51 AM
I guess it is time for me to come on home too!

Cinderella's Fella
05-03-2012, 11:09 AM
I guess it is time for me to come on home too!

Playing the Lotto will help. :rolleyes1

blueferral
05-04-2012, 09:58 AM
We just returned from a 5 day cruise. The DVC pitch on the ship was buy 100 points get 20 free. Buy 200 points get 40 free, etc. This was only at AKL. There was another property as well but didn't pay attention to that. The going price was 130 bucks a point. This "cruise only" option is also listed on the DVC members site. (gotta love those sales people).

We did buy our first contract direct from disney. If we add on it will be aftermarket. That was we will always have some points in the bought from disney category. Never know what changes they will make in the future.

Also, when you are talking to the slaes guys make em give you HATS, PINS, all kinds of stuff. They will do it. Before we bought I made the fellow search high and low for 2 collector pins for every member of the family.

AirGoofy
05-04-2012, 10:12 AM
I guess it is time for me to come on home too!

Playing the Lotto will help. :rolleyes1

Before Golden Oaks, my plan was to buy enough DVC points to stay there indefinitely. Now, the lotto plan is for Golden Oaks.

We just returned from a 5 day cruise. The DVC pitch on the ship was buy 100 points get 20 free. Buy 200 points get 40 free, etc. This was only at AKL. There was another property as well but didn't pay attention to that. The going price was 130 bucks a point. This "cruise only" option is also listed on the DVC members site. (gotta love those sales people).

We did buy our first contract direct from disney. If we add on it will be aftermarket. That was we will always have some points in the bought from disney category. Never know what changes they will make in the future.

Also, when you are talking to the slaes guys make em give you HATS, PINS, all kinds of stuff. They will do it. Before we bought I made the fellow search high and low for 2 collector pins for every member of the family.

Yes, we get the stickers or pins or whatever else they have. We are doing our first Disney cruise in 2013. We bought two resale contracts and they are much cheaper.

patkingpin
05-04-2012, 09:53 PM
Down payment is in!! 245 points at Beach Club Villas!! We are super excited right now as you might imagine. Thanks to all of your help with the questions it definitely helped a lot!

Cinderella's Fella
05-05-2012, 05:37 AM
Down payment is in!! 245 points at Beach Club Villas!! We are super excited right now as you might imagine. Thanks to all of your help with the questions it definitely helped a lot!

http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g447/rnaspapa/envy.gif

AirGoofy
05-05-2012, 06:54 AM
Down payment is in!! 245 points at Beach Club Villas!! We are super excited right now as you might imagine. Thanks to all of your help with the questions it definitely helped a lot!

Congrats officially. When you know where you like to stay, and you know you are going to be staying there once a year for the next 30 years, it only makes sense. They probably will offer some type of extension like they did at OKW & you should be eligible. That will be the another decision. As for now, plan and enjoy.

papamouse1
05-22-2012, 06:00 PM
Late joining in on the thread but we're SSR owners, too. It took us about 6 years to finally get past the initial shock of the cost and think of the long term value and savings. On our 2007 trip, we stopped by the Frontierland kiosk and spoke with a DVC person who was a former AK Tumble Monkey (that was a hoot). It was our last day of our trip so we sat through the presentation at Exposition Hall that afternoon and then had to leave to pack for home so we didn't have time for the resort tour. We ended up buying into DVC SIGHT UNSEEN! Our first trip "home" was last summer to a two bedroom villa in the Paddock. We walked in and our jaws dropped. Watching the DVDs, viewing YouTube room tours and reading the threads gave us an idea of what we had bought into but WOW!!! We were amazed at the space and amenities and we're looking forward to our second trip "home" next December for the Christmas holidays (any hints on making sure we get a room during that season???)

Welcome aboard!

In response to your question about booking holiday season, the PP's mentioned booking your resort out at 11 month and waitlisting, and that is sound advice. If you don't manage to get booked at 11 months out, you can also try to do a split stay (if whole week not available in one place). We did this last Nov., then waitlisted both of our ressies (BWV and SSR), and we got bumped up on the list on both ressies and ended up at AKL for the whole week. No guarantees on waitlists, but worse case scenario you do a split stay this year :)

papamouse1
05-22-2012, 06:03 PM
Down payment is in!! 245 points at Beach Club Villas!! We are super excited right now as you might imagine. Thanks to all of your help with the questions it definitely helped a lot!

:welcome:

papamouse1
05-22-2012, 06:06 PM
.....Think of it as pre-paying 40 years of hotel stays on property at Disney resorts.

and at a much reduced rate :thumbsup2

papamouse1
05-22-2012, 06:08 PM
We just returned from a 5 day cruise. The DVC pitch on the ship was buy 100 points get 20 free. Buy 200 points get 40 free, etc....

Buying onboard DCL is usually the best deal you can get direct from Disney.... usually :)