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amylia403
01-16-2011, 05:26 PM
I'm really worried now. We have a verandah cabin booked for our family vacation on the Dream. My son has a severe reaction (We are talking throat closing up, windpipe constriction and everything) to breathing in cigarette smoke. We were told by a Disney cast member that passengers were NOT allowed to smoke on verandahs, so that we should have no problems. Someone on another thread had asked about that and the reply had quoted the DCL site and stated that smoking was allowed on "Private Verandahs". Is this accurate? Or has the policy changed at all?

*WDW*Groupie*
01-16-2011, 05:30 PM
The smell of cigarette smoke on our verandah was so overpowering on our last cruise that I did ask a CM if it was allowed and I was told it was. It really bothered me to the point that I rarely used it because whoever was smoking seemed to be outside at the same time that I was.

amylia403
01-16-2011, 05:35 PM
The smell of cigarette smoke on our verandah was so overpowering on our last cruise that I did ask a CM if it was allowed and I was told it was. It really bothered me to the point that I rarely used it because whoever was smoking seemed to be outside at the same time that I was.

Oh no!! :( I'll be praying that we don't have the same experience.

lmhall2000
01-16-2011, 05:48 PM
I can feel for you, our first Disney trip was spent at the ER and 3 days of breathing treatments while the rest went out...all because our first room (non-smoking) apparently had a 'cheater' in it the time before.

Our son (now 15) has really grown out of most of his severe reactions but I'm still very concerned, my solution was to pick a verandah room on the LOWEST deck (smoke rises ya know)...at least then you will only have to worry about the 2 rooms on either side of you instead of the three rooms below you and the two on sides....

Good luck!!
Tara

kcashner
01-16-2011, 05:50 PM
Smoking is permitted on all verandahs. Good luck.

I have suggested for YEARS that they follow the "starboard only" policy like they do on the open air decks, but DCL isn't listening.

DoOverDreams
01-16-2011, 06:44 PM
Oh no!! That is just so rude and inconsiderate. Especially on a ship full of so many children. :( I'll be praying that we don't have the same experience.

No, it's not rude and inconsiderate. It's called following the rules. Smoking in a non-smoking area, now that would be rude and inconsiderate.

tchrrx
01-16-2011, 06:47 PM
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robinb
01-16-2011, 07:00 PM
Oh no!! That is just so rude and inconsiderate. Especially on a ship full of so many children. :( I'll be praying that we don't have the same experience.

No, it's not rude and inconsiderate. It's called following the rules. Smoking in a non-smoking area, now that would be rude and inconsiderate.
OP, I am sorry that your son has problems with cigarette smoke and I am not a big fan of it myself. However, DoOverDreams is right. People who smoke on their own private verandas are not rude if it's allowed by DCL. Perhaps you can choose a different room type if cigarette smoke is such a deal breaker.

smb6
01-16-2011, 07:04 PM
I like the idea of allowing smoking on verandah's on only one side of the ship.... This would work well for everyone... With that said, I don't think it is rude of people to smoke on their verandah since it is allowed.... Many smokers pay the extra money for their verandah for that very reason, and I understand and accept that.... If it is life threatning for you or your child to get whiffs of smoke, I would encourage you to NOT get a verandah room and I would email DCL a complaint/suggestion of putting smoking verandah's on one side of the ship- if enough people do so, maybe they will catch on... Were in an inside room, so no worries for us.

sunkisser
01-16-2011, 07:16 PM
OP, I am sorry that your son has problems with cigarette smoke and I am not a big fan of it myself. However, DoOverDreams is right. People who smoke on their own private verandas are not rude if it's allowed by DCL. Perhaps you can choose a different room type if cigarette smoke is such a deal breaker.

Seriously???...
If your son has such a severe allergy that ANY cigarette smoke sends him into an asthma attack (which is what the OP describes), how do you cope with going out anywhere???
If it really is that severe then get an inside cabin and carry your inhalers everywhere because people will be smoking in the designated smoking areas outside so he could 'walk' into a bit of smoke accidentally any time he is outside. It could even be smoke from a crew member having a puff on his break from the depths of the ship (smoke rises).
If it's just someone in the next cabin smoking and you smell it, go inside for a few minutes until the smoke has dispersed. I feel sorry for your son if his allergy is that severe, but you aren't going to stop people smoking so take the appropriate precautions before hand and don't book where people are entitled to smoke.

Having just re read what I wrote I apologise if I came across as rude or doubting:blush: That was not my intention. We are not smokers and my daughter cannot be in a room where someone is smoking as it sets off her asthma. She does not have as severe an allergy as your son though. Unfortunately we cannot stop people smoking where they are entitled to and I think it was very wrong of DCL to give you false information x

sunkisser
01-16-2011, 07:19 PM
I'm really worried now. We have a verandah cabin booked for our family vacation on the Dream. My son has a severe reaction (We are talking throat closing up, windpipe constriction and everything) to breathing in cigarette smoke. We were told by a Disney cast member that passengers were NOT allowed to smoke on verandahs, so that we should have no problems. Someone on another thread had asked about that and the reply had quoted the DCL site and stated that smoking was allowed on "Private Verandahs". Is this accurate? Or has the policy changed at all?

Seriously???...
If your son has such a severe allergy that ANY cigarette smoke sends him into an asthma attack (which is what the OP describes), how do you cope with going out anywhere???
If it really is that severe then get an inside cabin and carry your inhalers everywhere because people will be smoking in the designated smoking areas outside so he could 'walk' into a bit of smoke accidentally any time he is outside. It could even be smoke from a crew member having a puff on his break from the depths of the ship (smoke rises).
If it's just someone in the next cabin smoking and you smell it, go inside for a few minutes until the smoke has dispersed. I feel sorry for your son if his allergy is that severe, but you aren't going to stop people smoking so take the appropriate precautions before hand and don't book where people are entitled to smoke.

tvguy
01-16-2011, 07:24 PM
I like the idea of allowing smoking on verandah's on only one side of the ship.... This would work well for everyone

I think the reason Disney and other cruise lines haven't gone to a system of smoking verandahs on one side, and non-smoking on the other is because it doesn't work well for everyone. It works less well. If you make the port side smoking, what about a non-smoker that wants a port side cabin? The current system treats everyone as equally as they can be.
For the record, I hate the smell of cigarettes and have never smoked. At least one line tried going non-smoking and found it didn't work.

OrangeCountyCommuter
01-16-2011, 07:24 PM
I got a "flyer" on my cruise from DCL today and it says that you can smoke on the verandahs, but not in the room.

And I don't smoke, but I also don't think that "it's rude and incosiderate" if they only smoke where they are allowed to smoke.

Honestly I have to agree with others... there are probably non smoking cruise lines out there and that might be a better choice. Smoking is also allowed in several of the deck areas on DCL.

CanadianDisneyDad
01-16-2011, 07:28 PM
We have doen 2 cruises, Disney & Royal Carribean. I did notice the smoking areas but honestly never smelt any smoke. Our first cruise we had an inside stateroom and second a verandah. We saw people smoking, yes I stuck my head out, but never smelled the smoke. It is brezzy when cruising :)

cheers
:goofy:

Nevada
01-16-2011, 07:34 PM
I'm not saying you won't get really unlucky and get a chain smoker who is always on their balcony. I am sure it has happened but for the most part I didn't notice any smoking any place on my 2 Disney Cruises. I think on average DCL appeals to a less smoky bunch.

OrcaPotter
01-16-2011, 07:43 PM
Unfortunately my mother is a smoker, so a veranda was important on our last cruise for that reason. I know Carnival has at least one smoke-free ship, but other than that, private verandas and designated areas are allowed for smokers on most lines. It's unfortunate that those with allergies like that are inconvenienced, but it seems the risk with a reaction that severe would require booking an oceanview or inside stateroom to prevent any possible chances of allergens coming into contact. It would be better if we can get everyone to quit, however, until then, it's just unreasonable for a business to disallow smoking anywhere on the ship ... they'd lose business that way, as smokers wouldn't be able to handle it.

I would recommend checking with the cruise line or some other resource to determine what public areas are designated for smoking, so they can be avoided.

Luvstocruise
01-16-2011, 07:50 PM
I got flamed when I got into this type of discussion before, as I am not a smoker so I will pick my words carefully. My cheaper, lower level Category 9 stateroom is starting to look even more appealing due to this issue. Since none in our party smoke and we don't have a verandah, I don't have to deal with this issue on board. I would not be very happy if I had spent the considerable more money for a verandah room and could not use it due to high smoke presence. On the other hand, I am glad that there are mostly non-smoking areas on the ship, especially everywhere indoors in restaurants, public areas, etc. for the sake of children and adults alike. Look at land laws, in the province of Ontario, Canada, it is against the law to smoke in any motor vehicle if children under 16 are present- the max fine is $250.00 This was due to the well documented dangers of second hand smoke.

But DCL would probably only make their non-smoking policy stricter, if the other lines did the same, or did not have complaints from the smokers if they restricted the smoking even more. I am sure this comes up on other lines too. Just my gut feeling, DCL won't change things much, if it affects the bottom line too much. I sure they want to be considerate to all guests. But, because of the big family/kid focus of DCL, it could be a leader in this area if it wanted to, but only if doesn't hurt them financially.

FWIW,
Luvstocruise

hdmeza
01-16-2011, 08:12 PM
With a DH smoker, we spent the $$ for a verandah b/c he WILL NOT smoke in public areas. No matter how many open air areas they have if non-smoker (particularly children) are even passing through he will not smoke...I understand the medical issues, but I truly think DCL is doing the best they can to not exclude anyone.

mmouse37
01-16-2011, 08:15 PM
Unfortunately my mother is a smoker, so a veranda was important on our last cruise for that reason. I know Carnival has at least one smoke-free ship, but other than that, private verandas and designated areas are allowed for smokers on most lines. It's unfortunate that those with allergies like that are inconvenienced, but it seems the risk with a reaction that severe would require booking an oceanview or inside stateroom to prevent any possible chances of allergens coming into contact. It would be better if we can get everyone to quit, however, until then, it's just unreasonable for a business to disallow smoking anywhere on the ship ... they'd lose business that way, as smokers wouldn't be able to handle it.

I would recommend checking with the cruise line or some other resource to determine what public areas are designated for smoking, so they can be avoided.


Carnival's non-smoking ship was called the Paradise but has gone the way of the rest of fleet and now allows smoking (this happened about 3 or 4 years ago).....a non-smoking ship just could be sustained financially....not enough people to fill it each cruise.

MJ

Hazydavy
01-16-2011, 08:33 PM
Carnival's non-smoking ship was called the Paradise but has gone the way of the rest of fleet and now allows smoking (this happened about 3 or 4 years ago).....a non-smoking ship just could be sustained financially....not enough people to fill it each cruise.

MJ

While not totally non smoking, Celebrity, a mass market line, is very restrictive on smoking. No smoking in cabins, on any verandas, casino, etc. Smoking is limited to a few areas, easily avoidable if smoke bothers you. Two deluxe lines, Oceania and Azamara also restrict smoking to limited areas ad do not allow smoking in any cabins or verandas. They're all doing just fine filling cabins. You would think DCL, catering to families and children would follow suit....


BTW, Carnival who abandoned it's non smoking policy on the Paradise, is re-introducing a strict non smoking policy in spa cabins on ITS Dream and Magic ships. When you book one of these spa cabins you are advised that smoking is not allowed in the spa area, the cabins or verandas. You are advised that violations result in fines of $250.00. Certainly if Carnival can afford to do this, DCL can.

brianvdb
01-16-2011, 08:44 PM
Rather than designating the port or starboard side as OK for smoking, wouldn't it make more sense to put the smoking cabins aft? After all, unless it is in port, the ship is moving forward most of the time, right?

geekmommy
01-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Great idea, brianvdb!

I know these ships tend to be full, but what are the chances of getting moved if there's a big problem? We got a verandah room b/c DH is claustrophobic, but I'll be quite irritated if it's like sitting in a bar.

justmestace
01-16-2011, 10:32 PM
While not totally non smoking, Celebrity, a mass market line, is very restrictive on smoking. No smoking in cabins, on any verandas, casino, etc. Smoking is limited to a few areas, easily avoidable if smoke bothers you. Two deluxe lines, Oceania and Azamara also restrict smoking to limited areas ad do not allow smoking in any cabins or verandas. They're all doing just fine filling cabins. You would think DCL, catering to families and children would follow suit....


BTW, Carnival who abandoned it's non smoking policy on the Paradise, is re-introducing a strict non smoking policy in spa cabins on ITS Dream and Magic ships. When you book one of these spa cabins you are advised that smoking is not allowed in the spa area, the cabins or verandas. You are advised that violations result in fines of $250.00. Certainly if Carnival can afford to do this, DCL can.

I just got off the Carnival Spirit a week ago, and there was no smoking in any stateroom, or other inside areas at all, except for the casino and one or two bars. It was the same on the Elation last year, too.
I'm thinking ALL of the cruise lines have made the staterooms non-smoking.

Funny....I'd never even heard of Azmara before, and they were in port with us in Cabo. We ended up at a resort that quite a few of the crew from the Azmara ship were at. They all (almost all) chain-smoked and told us that Azmara was a "party ship". Sure sounded like they were having a great party at their Cabo sailaway.

Dizzyworld
01-16-2011, 10:34 PM
Your chances are not good of getting moved, we tried it. We must have bad karma. Twice we had a verandah, twice we had a major cigar smoker in our area. The people seemed to spend their weeks on their verandah. It was so bad on our second cruise that DCL gave us an air purifier for our cabin for the week since the smell kept coming in our cabin even with the door closed, and DCL kept spraying the cabin with something too. These two things did help save us inside our cabin.

The smell of the cigars makes me very nauseous, plus we also had a medical issue but there was no place to move us. Sadly we no longer even attempt a verandah. It was a big waste of money to us.

And with the new ships having cigar bars, or whatever it is called, I'm hoping it attracks people to go there instead of purchasing more for their cabins. Cigars are one thing I do wish they would ban on cruises. IMO.

Anyway chances are you will be fine.

KSDisneyDad
01-16-2011, 10:53 PM
First, I do not like the smell of smoke. It really annoys me and I'd love to see a non-smoking ship but realize that it's not economicall feasible for DCL or most other cruise lines.

That said, I have not had any issues on DCL with smokers on the verandahs. And we spend a lot of time on our verandah! Honestly, a child does not even spend that much time on the verandah. In my experience, the kids around us would come out for a less than a minute or two and then head back inside.

Yes, there is a chance you might encounter a neighbor who smokes. If that concerns you, then I would agree with the PP's who suggested that you not book a verandah. There are plenty of public areas outdoors where smoking is not allowed. Try to book a room that makes it relatively easy to enjoy one of the public open deck where smoking is prohibited.

Now Deck 4 is another story. Smokers aren't suppossed to smoke during certain hours for the courtesy of walkers/runners who are exercising. It seemed like that rule was overlooked by many smokers on our last cruise.

amylia403
01-16-2011, 11:16 PM
We actually only booked the verandah because we called and spoke to a Disney Cruise Line Cast member who assured us they were smoke free. We'l probably try to swap rooms just in case though. As for the responder who asked how we deal with my son's attacks and that he can't be "that alergic". I would love to send you some of our hospital bills to show you that yes he is THAT alergic. We are careful when we go out to parks and other areas to note smoking areas ahead of time and avoid them.

inkkognito
01-16-2011, 11:26 PM
DCL is much, much better than RCCL for non-smokers and has gotten progressively more restrictive over the years. Remember when they used to allow smoking in the clubs, even during the shows? I could barely make it through things like Match Your Mate in Rockin' Bar D/Wavebands because the smoke never honored the invisible line between the smoking and non-smoking sections. You can still smell the smoke in Diversions and Cadillac Lounge, even though it was stopped long ago.

But with that said, many of the RCCL ships allowed smoking just about everywhere when we did four cruises (each on a different RCCL ship) a few years back. I am allergic to smoke and ended up medicated and miserable for most of our cruise on Sovereign of the Seas. On DCL you can at least get away from it in the interior areas now.

I hate it anywhere around me and especially hate having smokers as verandah neighbors, but I cannot say they are rude because they are following the rules. As a matter of fact, when we were at Cookies Too there were several smokers standing right by the entrance to the covered seating area and I mentally pegged them as rude...till I saw that DCL had set up a smoking area with ashtray right there! That's DCL's poor judgment, not the smokers' fault. They would never make one whole side of the ship verandahs smoking because it would be the same as smoking/non-smoking in restaurants. Smokers will sit in non-smoking and hold off, but most nons I know will NOT sit in smoking. Neither would they book a verandah in smoking onces the nons have sold out. And non would indeed sell out first because only 25 percent of the population smokes.

justmestace
01-16-2011, 11:29 PM
We actually only booked the verandah because we called and spoke to a Disney Cruise Line Cast member who assured us they were smoke free. We'l probably try to swap rooms just in case though. As for the ignorant responder who asked how we deal with my son's attacks and that he can't be "that alergic". I would just love to send you some of our hospital bills to show you that yes he is THAT alergic. We are careful when we go out to parks and other areas to note smoking areas ahead of time and avoid them. Clearly you've never had a sick child.



It's sad to read how many times people have been misled by CM's on the phone who don't know their "stuff". It's like calling the IRS for help or info and hearing their recording that says they aren't responsible for incorrect information. :sad2::sad2: If THEY don't know, who does???:confused3

Nevada
01-16-2011, 11:43 PM
Maybe 25% of ppl smoke but I think the DCL crowd percentages is much much lower.

brianvdb
01-17-2011, 12:50 AM
Maybe 25% of ppl smoke but I think the DCL crowd percentages is much much lower.

Problem is that many families/travelling parties have a member that smokes - leaving that family member or friend behind may be a dealbreaker for some folks.

For example, if grandma smokes and DCL doesn't allow smoking, do you leave her behind or do you choose another cruiseline that your whole family can enjoy?

On the flipside, the number of non-smoking guests who see a "limited smoking allowed" ship as a dealbreaker is much smaller.

grits98
01-17-2011, 01:21 AM
We actually only booked the verandah because we called and spoke to a Disney Cruise Line Cast member who assured us they were smoke free. We'l probably try to swap rooms just in case though. As for the ignorant responder who asked how we deal with my son's attacks and that he can't be "that alergic". I would just love to send you some of our hospital bills to show you that yes he is THAT alergic. We are careful when we go out to parks and other areas to note smoking areas ahead of time and avoid them. Clearly you've never had a sick child.

I'm sorry your son has such an awful reaction to smoke. That must be really difficult and scary for all of you. I hope that, with time and age, maybe he can slowly grow out of it.

.

charlenek421
01-17-2011, 01:30 AM
I just so happened to see this post and because I can relate I felt I could respond with my opinion. My son has severe nut allergies and if exposed can be life threatening. I can understand asking about the smoking because of your child's situation, but to criticize those isn't fair. Obviously as a parent you want to protect your child and it's your job to do that. But in this case, even if the cruise lines banned smoking on the verandahs, there is no guarantee that someone unaware of your Childs condition wouldn't break the rule so it seems careless to even book a verandah room at all. My son is at risk everyday of his life for the rest of his life and I have to make the adjustments, not everyone else. We will be at dinner with people eating foods that would harm my son and I have to keep those things away from him. I have to check ingredients in the food he eats daily because I can't expect people to rid the world of nuts for my son and others like him. In my dream world nuts wouldn't exist and there would be no threat to my child and i am sure in yours smoking wouldn't exist either. But unfortunately for us that place doesn't exist here on Earth and we have to find ways to deal with their allergies, teach them how to handle their allergy as they grow up and pray that God will protect them.

KingRichard
01-17-2011, 03:44 AM
Sorry about your child's health issue, but as it is obvious that you have internet then you only needed to check DCL web site.

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/faqs/health-safety/smoking/

diznefamily
01-17-2011, 05:04 AM
I am not a smoker, however my husband does enjoy a cigar nightly on vacation. I believe since most of the year he is over in Afghanistan fighting for everyones right to discuss this, then he should have the right to enjoy his vacation if it is permited by Disney. We book a balcony for this very reason. He does not complain that he is risking his life daily to protect America.

sunkisser
01-17-2011, 05:30 AM
We actually only booked the verandah because we called and spoke to a Disney Cruise Line Cast member who assured us they were smoke free. We'l probably try to swap rooms just in case though. As for the ignorant responder who asked how we deal with my son's attacks and that he can't be "that alergic". I would just love to send you some of our hospital bills to show you that yes he is THAT alergic. We are careful when we go out to parks and other areas to note smoking areas ahead of time and avoid them. Clearly you've never had a sick child.

I have edited my post and I apologise if I came across as rude or doubting. That really was not my intention. I will choose my words more carefully in future. How I intend to come across is not always read in the same way as I mean it to. Sorry for any offence caused x

Hazydavy
01-17-2011, 06:59 AM
I just got off the Carnival Spirit a week ago, and there was no smoking in any stateroom, or other inside areas at all, except for the casino and one or two bars. It was the same on the Elation last year, too.
I'm thinking ALL of the cruise lines have made the staterooms non-smoking.

Funny....I'd never even heard of Azmara before, and they were in port with us in Cabo. We ended up at a resort that quite a few of the crew from the Azmara ship were at. They all (almost all) chain-smoked and told us that Azmara was a "party ship". Sure sounded like they were having a great party at their Cabo sailaway.

Of the major mass market lines,Holland America, NCL and Princess all allow smoking in cabins.

I haven't sailed on Azmara so I don't know how much of a "party ship" it is, certainly not their reputation, but they currently have the most restrictive smoking policy, limiting smoking to only one outside area. No smoking inside at all.

OrangeCountyCommuter
01-17-2011, 07:30 AM
Disney does a lot of European and South American business.. The "anti smoking" campaign in other parts of the world seems to have a lot less "zeal" Disney isn't giving up that $$$.

Weedy
01-17-2011, 08:55 AM
The smoking debate does continue. Where do your rights end and mine begin. I am going on the Alaskan cruise and have paid extra $$$ for an balcony room. When we are cruising by the glaciers and I want to be on my balcony, should it be ruined by having my neighbor smoke a cigarette or even worse a cigar.

drparoo
01-17-2011, 09:11 AM
Another option is to knock on your neighbor's doors on the cruise, introduce yourself, explain your son's situation, ask if they smoke, and see if you can work out some kind of agreement about when they will or won't smoke on the verandah. Many smokers know that it can be a problem but if they know it's a real medical situation, they might be even more willing to hold off on the verandah.

I don't know....it's another option if you want to keep the verandah. But as a mother of three, I would be worrying about it non-stop until the time of the cruise like you are. So sorry you have to deal with this.

MrsMinease
01-17-2011, 09:26 AM
I love drparoo's suggestion. DH and I don't smoke cigarettes, but love to have nightly cigars when we're on vacation in a warm climate. We have a verandah room for that very reason... DS can be sleeping, and we can enjoy a cigar and some wine on the verandah.

As much as we're looking forward to our nights on the verandah, if someone in a close-by cabin politely alerted us to a medical issue related to the smoking, we'd happy find a compromise with them.

amylia403
01-17-2011, 09:36 AM
I'm sure we will have a wonderful vacation no matter what happens. After all the medical issues and things that have come up in the last 2 and a half years, we really treasure any family time we get to spend together. I might try to swap for a different room type, but if not we will just work around it.

amylia403
01-17-2011, 09:41 AM
Sorry about your child's health issue, but as it is obvious that you have internet then you only needed to check DCL web site.

http://disneycruise.disney.go.com/faqs/health-safety/smoking/

As mentioned earlier, we did check the website and then we called DCL for clarification and the cast member told us that a "Private Verandah" was refering to the actual smoking area, and that room verandahs were no smoking zones. Again it's not the massive issue its being made out to be. We have had a great number of medical hardships over the last 2 years and we are greatful just to be able to spend that time together.

drparoo
01-17-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm sure we will have a wonderful vacation no matter what happens. After all the medical issues and things that have come up in the last 2 and a half years, we really treasure any family time we get to spend together. I might try to swap for a different room type, but if not we will just work around it.

Have a wonderful time!!

robin19871
01-17-2011, 09:49 AM
I am not a smoker, however my husband does enjoy a cigar nightly on vacation. I believe since most of the year he is over in Afghanistan fighting for everyones right to discuss this, then he should have the right to enjoy his vacation if it is permited by Disney. We book a balcony for this very reason. He does not complain that he is risking his life daily to protect America.

I think it is all right that your husband be allowed to smoke because Disney allows it..Quite honestly it has nothing to do with your husband being in the military..My husband smokes too and has been in the military for 22 years.. He hopefully will not have time to smoke because he is risking his life daily by smoking..But, it is his choice..

smb6
01-17-2011, 09:49 AM
I just so happened to see this post and because I can relate I felt I could respond with my opinion. My son has severe nut allergies and if exposed can be life threatening. I can understand asking about the smoking because of your child's situation, but to criticize those isn't fair. Obviously as a parent you want to protect your child and it's your job to do that. But in this case, even if the cruise lines banned smoking on the verandahs, there is no guarantee that someone unaware of your Childs condition wouldn't break the rule so it seems careless to even book a verandah room at all. My son is at risk everyday of his life for the rest of his life and I have to make the adjustments, not everyone else. We will be at dinner with people eating foods that would harm my son and I have to keep those things away from him. I have to check ingredients in the food he eats daily because I can't expect people to rid the world of nuts for my son and others like him. In my dream world nuts wouldn't exist and there would be no threat to my child and i am sure in yours smoking wouldn't exist either. But unfortunately for us that place doesn't exist here on Earth and we have to find ways to deal with their allergies, teach them how to handle their allergy as they grow up and pray that God will protect them.

:thumbsup2

CanadianDisneyDad
01-17-2011, 09:50 AM
I'm sure we will have a wonderful vacation no matter what happens. After all the medical issues and things that have come up in the last 2 and a half years, we really treasure any family time we get to spend together. I might try to swap for a different room type, but if not we will just work around it.

Have a great time Amylia....thats a great attitude. We have done several trips and somethign always pops up but you gotta remember its a vacation with your family and you're making memories!!

cheers
:goofy:

grits98
01-17-2011, 09:48 PM
I am not a smoker, however my husband does enjoy a cigar nightly on vacation. I believe since most of the year he is over in Afghanistan fighting for everyones right to discuss this, then he should have the right to enjoy his vacation if it is permited by Disney. We book a balcony for this very reason. He does not complain that he is risking his life daily to protect America.

I don't understand the correlation between deploying to Afghanistan and getting to smoke on DCL. My DH is also military and deploys to the Middle East a LOT. I don't think that entitles him to anything beyond what the military already provides. Aside from military benefits, deploying should never give someone more privileges than anyone else.

Maybe I'm reading more into your post than I should, but I agree with Robin19871's response. Sorry for digressing from the thread,.

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MadtownMama
01-17-2011, 10:43 PM
I don't understand the correlation between deploying to Afghanistan and getting to smoke on DCL. My DH is also military and deploys to the Middle East a LOT. I don't think that entitles him to anything beyond what the military already provides. Aside from military benefits, deploying should never give someone more privileges than anyone else.

Maybe I'm reading more into your post than I should, but I agree with Robin19871's response. Sorry for digressing from the thread,.

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justmestace
01-18-2011, 12:23 AM
I don't understand the correlation between deploying to Afghanistan and getting to smoke on DCL. My DH is also military and deploys to the Middle East a LOT. I don't think that entitles him to anything beyond what the military already provides. Aside from military benefits, deploying should never give someone more privileges than anyone else.

Maybe I'm reading more into your post than I should, but I agree with Robin19871's response. Sorry for digressing from the thread,.

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I understood her completely. She wasn't saying he should be entitled to anything more than what Disney already allows. Since DCL allows smoking on the verandahs, then he should be able to smoke out there. And the part about him being in the military...she was just making a point that her husband is one of the many who are over there protecting our right to even have the freedom of speech to discuss these matters.

ALTHOUGH.....I *think* (am not 100% certain) that there is a sign on the verandahs that asks passengers to NOT smoke cigars out there.

justmestace
01-18-2011, 12:29 AM
As mentioned earlier, we did check the website and then we called DCL for clarification and the cast member told us that a "Private Verandah" was refering to the actual smoking area, and that room verandahs were no smoking zones. Again it's not the massive issue its being made out to be. We have had a great number of medical hardships over the last 2 years and we are greatful just to be able to spend that time together.


I think I see where the confusion came from.

If the CM said that the "room verandahs" were non-smoking, then he/she meant the INSIDE of the actual ROOM.
BUT...
the "Private Verandah" being the actual smoking area...means that smoking IS allowed on the verandahs....but not in the rooms with (or obviously without) verandahs.
Now it all makes more sense to me.

justmestace
01-18-2011, 12:31 AM
Note to cigar smokers.....you might want to check and see if your verandah has a sign that says no cigar smoking out there. I could swear I saw that the last time.
Of course, lately I've been wrong about a lot of things.;););)

Morganw42
01-18-2011, 12:35 AM
Another option is to knock on your neighbor's doors on the cruise, introduce yourself, explain your son's situation, ask if they smoke, and see if you can work out some kind of agreement about when they will or won't smoke on the verandah. Many smokers know that it can be a problem but if they know it's a real medical situation, they might be even more willing to hold off on the verandah.

I don't know....it's another option if you want to keep the verandah. But as a mother of three, I would be worrying about it non-stop until the time of the cruise like you are. So sorry you have to deal with this.

Great suggestion, we no longer smoke but would've been happy to help out. Hypothetically, I'd suggest that you precede you child onto the veranda and if we were out there smoking just let us know that he'd be out shortly and we'd extinguish the cigarettes and let the smoke disperse. Likewise we'd check and make sure that you weren't on you verandah before we lit up. But, as I said, it's all academic now because we've both quit.

jgura
01-18-2011, 12:43 AM
Out of 7 cruises, we just recently had our first experience with CHAIN, smoking neighbors on the Magic. Yes, they can smoke on the veranda all day long if they please. Even with a medical issue, if your cruise is close to being full they can not move your room. The air purifiers they will bring to your room to help do not work for the smoke. If your son has that much of a problem, book an oceanview. You will be disappointed that you paid for a veranda and how DCL can handle your complaints if you have a problem with smoke.

EcbLovesMickey
01-18-2011, 02:12 AM
In my experience Disney is all talk and no action when it comes to their smoking/no smoking policies. I cannot count the times I have walked through MK or been waiting for a parade and had someone light up right on Main Street with CMs everywhere saying nothing to them.

Once we stayed at POP and the person in the adjoining room to ours smoked in her room so heavily that smoke came under the door into our room. When I called the desk to report it they brought me up an air purifier and I saw her mulitple times smoking outside the room (not allowed on site at the resorts), so I assume they never said a word to her.

I would try and book a stateroom with the enclosed verandah, but like others have said it is luck of the draw whether you get an almost smoke free cruise or you get stuck with a Marlboro Lover's convention. No matter what the rules are, it is not guaranteed everyone will follow them and you might run into someone walking down the hall taking a drag on their ciggie.

insureman
01-18-2011, 06:02 AM
Note to cigar smokers.....you might want to check and see if your verandah has a sign that says no cigar smoking out there. I could swear I saw that the last time.
Of course, lately I've been wrong about a lot of things.;););)

Never saw that sign.

BibbidyBobbidyBoo
01-18-2011, 06:28 AM
As mentioned earlier, we did check the website and then we called DCL for clarification and the cast member told us that a "Private Verandah" was refering to the actual smoking area, and that room verandahs were no smoking zones. Again it's not the massive issue its being made out to be. We have had a great number of medical hardships over the last 2 years and we are greatful just to be able to spend that time together.

Um,, still not sure if you're understanding the information you're being given.
Smoking is not allowed inside ANY room, smoking is allowed on all verandahs. Smoking areas in certain specific areas of the ship is not "private verandahs"- private verandahs refers to the verandah for every verandah category room and it is private to the guests in that room (ie: it's their own private verandah- not a shared verandah with other guests/other rooms/etc.)

Not only is it allowed- there are built in ashtrays on the walls of the verandah. Smoking is most definitely allowed on the verandahs.
Private verandah does not mean smoking zones. Private verandahs are verandahs that are yours, privately, when you book that verandah room. I think you've been misled again... but I'm telling you- smoking is allowed on the verandahs and they even have built in metal ashtrash attached to the walls near the lights. Proof it's allowed.

BibbidyBobbidyBoo
01-18-2011, 06:36 AM
Another option is to knock on your neighbor's doors on the cruise, introduce yourself, explain your son's situation, ask if they smoke, and see if you can work out some kind of agreement about when they will or won't smoke on the verandah. Many smokers know that it can be a problem but if they know it's a real medical situation, they might be even more willing to hold off on the verandah.

I don't know....it's another option if you want to keep the verandah. But as a mother of three, I would be worrying about it non-stop until the time of the cruise like you are. So sorry you have to deal with this.

As a smoker, who while I smoke very rarely on the cruise but when I DO smoke it's usually on my own private verandah vs the open deck smoking areas, I would not mind this at all. If I was told by a neighbor on the cruise that their child was severely allergic, I wouldn't mind working something out. In my case, which may different than many others and I realize this, I would simply tell them that I usually have one cig in the morning with my morning coffee and generally any other time I smoke is late at night. I would just tell them this so they'd know the times to avoid going outside.
(If I were the type to smoke at other times during the day out there- I'd try to work out a schedule with them. My point being I WOULD try to work something out. I'd be upset if I found out my smoking on the verandah made a child severely ill! I'd prefer to know ahead of time and try to avoid that! It just so happens that my smoking habits on the ship are probably the easiest to work around with a child... just avoid going out there late am and very late at night when presumably said child would be asleep because I'm talking VERY late... like midnight on. LOL I think it would be easy to keep a child off their verandah that late at night. I would assume that at least the vast majority, if not 100%, of smokers would prefer to know ahead of time if they have a neighboring guest that will become very ill if they are smoking at the same time they are on the neighboring verandah. At the very least, even if a schedule persay couldn't be worked out- at least that person would be forewarned and could AT LEAST avoid smoking out there if they go out on their verandah and the neighboring guests were out on their verandah first... as long as they weren't like out there for hours and honestly- none of our kids ever want to be out there for HOURS at a time. Verandah is not their idea of fun really.. maybe for a few minutes tops LOL)

First, I do not like the smell of smoke. It really annoys me and I'd love to see a non-smoking ship but realize that it's not economicall feasible for DCL or most other cruise lines.

That said, I have not had any issues on DCL with smokers on the verandahs. And we spend a lot of time on our verandah! Honestly, a child does not even spend that much time on the verandah. In my experience, the kids around us would come out for a less than a minute or two and then head back inside.

Yes, there is a chance you might encounter a neighbor who smokes. If that concerns you, then I would agree with the PP's who suggested that you not book a verandah. There are plenty of public areas outdoors where smoking is not allowed. Try to book a room that makes it relatively easy to enjoy one of the public open deck where smoking is prohibited.

Now Deck 4 is another story. Smokers aren't suppossed to smoke during certain hours for the courtesy of walkers/runners who are exercising. It seemed like that rule was overlooked by many smokers on our last cruise.

ah, just noticed you already made some points I made above.
I agree- in my experience with our kids ranging ages of 6-16.. none of them are interested in being out there for more than a few minutes at a time. I realize some kids might be the exception to the rule though. Verandahs are usually for relaxing outside, watching the water/what we're passing, for some it's for smoking, others like to read or sleep out there- none of those things are high on the list of priorities of things to do for most children while on the ship LOL


That said, the time I spend out on the verandah (doing all the above), and I do make good use of the verandah when we pay for it! I much prefer sitting there instead of out on open decks.... I've never noticed smoke wafting into our verandah even the few times I've stood up at the railing and then noticed neighbors standing at the railing smoking! I'd have never known if I hadn't stood up there and looked over.

I agree you have two options with a child that will become seriously ill with smoke around them: 1) book the verandah if you're okay with attempting to work out a schedule with neighboring guests if they smoke AND okay with the child just not being out on the verandah if the neighboring guests aren't cooperative in that respect (IMO not a huge deal, as kids don't generally as a rule enjoy spending a ton of time on a verandah anyway or 2) don't book a verandah and not have to worry about it.

but I'm concerned for your son in some other smoking areas as well. They aren't all exactly "open" air areas.... I personally don't like to smoke in them because it's still around a lot of other people and including children and it's sorta halfway "enclosed" so the smoke can linger in those areas. If you walk by those areas with your son... it could be bad. :(

HappyontheLake
01-18-2011, 08:11 AM
I am allergic to cigarette smoke ... not to the extent of the OP child (I have him added to my prayers) and the smokers on the closed environment of the Magic did get to me.

But, I knew the risks when I booked the cruise. It is a risk, as in everything in life

I wrote I letter to DCL about the wisdom of allowing smokers to even smoke on deck 4 when deck 4 was designated the walker/jogger deck (is that an oxymoron or what? Here is your healthy activity but we are allowing this unhealthy activity to occur during this 1/3 or your lap). I ended up not being able to jog and I despise treadmills with a passion ... I walked stairs for exercise during the wee hours.

We do book connecting Verandah cabins for the primary reason that I am claustrophobic -- we pray that we do not end up next to smokers so we can enjoy our staterooms as intended. If not -- She is big ship.

BibbidyBobbidyBoo
01-18-2011, 08:18 AM
I am allergic to cigarette smoke ... not to the extent of the OP child (I have him added to my prayers) and the smokers on the closed environment of the Magic did get to me.

But, I knew the risks when I booked the cruise. It is a risk, as in everything in life

I wrote I letter to DCL about the wisdom of allowing smokers to even smoke on deck 4 when deck 4 was designated the walker/jogger deck (is that an oxymoron or what? Here is your healthy activity but we are allowing this unhealthy activity to occur during this 1/3 or your lap). I ended up not being able to jog and I despise treadmills with a passion ... I walked stairs for exercise during the wee hours.

We do book connecting Verandah cabins for the primary reason that I am claustrophobic -- we pray that we do not end up next to smokers so we can enjoy our staterooms as intended. If not -- She is big ship.
Just FYI- I think they've addressed this issue you bring up (which is a good one, btw) From what I've read now the smoking is only allowed on deck 4 from 6pm to 6am or something like that- the rest of the time it's not allowed for the exact reason you just brought up. :)

lbgraves
01-18-2011, 08:25 AM
I was surprised at the sign on the verandah next to the ashtray last week and now wish that I had taken a picture of it. It said basically in order to be considerate of fellow passengers and to allow everyone to enjoy their verandahs please use the designated smoking areas elsewhere on the ship. We were very lucky this trip and never smelled smoke so we enjoyed the verandah quite a bit. I have been in someone else's verandah room and smelled the smoke from the next stateroom when I was inside the room.

BibbidyBobbidyBoo
01-18-2011, 08:33 AM
haha
I saw the sign on our first cruise with a verandah- and I thought it was odd to provide a built in metal ashtray with a sign right there requesting you don't use it. LOL
It was like please don't smoke out here- but we know you're gonna so here's an ashtray. LOL

cseca
01-18-2011, 08:43 AM
I think here's the sign everyone was talking about... see point #3

From Magic

http://photopost.wdwinfo.com/data/523/medium/IMG_2659.JPG

I sincerely hope that if we get a smoking neighbor they would be willing to work out a schedule so we can all use the verandah.
And hopefully not so bad that we could smell it inside our room, that would be disastrous as I am allergic to it.

drparoo
01-18-2011, 08:47 AM
Ah, yes, the "may wish to consider" phrase. In other words, "we're trying to make as few people angry as possible by suggesting the possibility of but by no means insisting on going elsewhere to smoke."

KingRichard
01-18-2011, 08:50 AM
So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

lawone
01-18-2011, 08:54 AM
We booked a verandah b/c I smoke. If you end up next to me just please talk to me. I wouldn't want to ruin your vacation or make a child sick. We are all human and we can surely work something out. :)

drparoo
01-18-2011, 08:55 AM
So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

I've often been surprised at how protected and non-windy the verandahs are on most days even at sea. So yes, I think the smoke can certainly drift through the verandah's walls to the one right next to it. I doubt it would be a problem from the verandah BELOW yours, though.

debg
01-18-2011, 09:41 AM
I was surprised at the sign on the verandah next to the ashtray last week and now wish that I had taken a picture of it. It said basically in order to be considerate of fellow passengers and to allow everyone to enjoy their verandahs please use the designated smoking areas elsewhere on the ship. We were very lucky this trip and never smelled smoke so we enjoyed the verandah quite a bit. I have been in someone else's verandah room and smelled the smoke from the next stateroom when I was inside the room.

You're right - there is such a sign. It's tricky though - basically says what the reader wants it to say. At least last November it did. DCL used the word *may*... as in "may want to smoke elsewhere". When I read that, I take it as DCL gently asking smokers to not smoke on the verandah. But my funny story from our recent back-to-back presented the exact opposite. On both cruises, on the first afternoon while sitting on my verandah when we were still at the terminal, I heard the husbands call their wives out to the balcony to read them the sign - that smokers *MAY* wish - accenting the *may*, meaning they didn't *have* to go elsewhere. Cracked me up as it was obvious that the wives had told their husbands they could not smoke on the verandahs and the husbands were reading the signs as permission to smoke out there.

Anyway, both weeks I had a cigar smoker on the next-door verandah, but at least they didn't do it a lot.

debg

WebmasterPete
01-18-2011, 10:18 AM
As a smoker, I've always felt that my right to smoke does not supersede your right to breathe clean air. I think many smokers feel the same way - we don't want to make anyone else uncomfortable with our smoking. I know if someone next to our stateroom asked us not to smoke on the balcony, I would gladly comply. I know not everyone would, but I think you would be surprised with how many smokers do try to be considerate.

Pete

KSDisneyDad
01-18-2011, 10:50 AM
I am allergic to cigarette smoke ... not to the extent of the OP child (I have him added to my prayers) and the smokers on the closed environment of the Magic did get to me.

But, I knew the risks when I booked the cruise. It is a risk, as in everything in life

I wrote I letter to DCL about the wisdom of allowing smokers to even smoke on deck 4 when deck 4 was designated the walker/jogger deck (is that an oxymoron or what? Here is your healthy activity but we are allowing this unhealthy activity to occur during this 1/3 or your lap). I ended up not being able to jog and I despise treadmills with a passion ... I walked stairs for exercise during the wee hours.

We do book connecting Verandah cabins for the primary reason that I am claustrophobic -- we pray that we do not end up next to smokers so we can enjoy our staterooms as intended. If not -- She is big ship.

Just FYI- I think they've addressed this issue you bring up (which is a good one, btw) From what I've read now the smoking is only allowed on deck 4 from 6pm to 6am or something like that- the rest of the time it's not allowed for the exact reason you just brought up. :)

On each day's Navigator and on signs, DCL states that smoking is not allowed on Deck 4 Starboard from 6:00 am to 6:00 pm.

That said, DCL doesn't seem to enforce it that well.

CandyMandy
01-18-2011, 11:17 AM
At least one line tried going non-smoking and found it didn't work.

The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...:confused:).

And banning it on cruise ship verandahs doesn't necessarly hurt sales. Celebrity banned smoking on verandahs years ago and is doing just fine, thank you -albeit that may have something to do with the fact their client base skews upscale. Smoking rates are tied closely to socioeconomic status (link to proof below), so it is easier for firms that target the more affluent to tighten their smoking policies. Which may also explain why years ago Carnival tried having a completely non-smoking ship (the Paradise) but ended that experiment due to slow sales.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-americans-smoking-decreases-income-increases.aspx

justmestace
01-18-2011, 11:43 AM
The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...:confused:).

And banning it on cruise ship verandahs doesn't necessarly hurt sales. Celebrity banned smoking on verandahs years ago and is doing just fine, thank you -albeit that may have something to do with the fact their client base skews upscale. Smoking rates are tied closely to socioeconomic status (link to proof below), so it is easier for firms that target the more affluent to tighten their smoking policies. Which may also explain why years ago Carnival tried having a completely non-smoking ship (the Paradise) but ended that experiment due to slow sales.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105550/among-americans-smoking-decreases-income-increases.aspx



As if the "Smoker vs Non-Smoker" debate weren't bad enough, you've just tossed in a "Rich vs Poor".....or is it "White Collar vs Blue Collar"???
:sad2::sad2::sad2:
How insulting.

I have a feeling that particular study doesn't apply to people who can afford to cruise on Disney....especially in a verandah room.

justmestace
01-18-2011, 11:46 AM
So a cruise ship can be subject to 60-80mph or more winds and rain sideways and yet smoke gets into the room?

I've often been surprised at how protected and non-windy the verandahs are on most days even at sea. So yes, I think the smoke can certainly drift through the verandah's walls to the one right next to it. I doubt it would be a problem from the verandah BELOW yours, though.



My husband claims that there is some sort of "vortex" created on the smaller verandahs (for example the standard Cat 4's) and that the smoke just whirls around the balcony and doesn't go out. Not sure if this means it doesn't go to the next-door neighbor's verandah or not.....but that little theory of his gives him plenty of ammunition to use against ME. :guilty: He's a non-smoker.

cseca
01-18-2011, 11:48 AM
As a nonsmoker I really appreciate all of you smokers who are willing to work with us so we can coexist happily... :hug:

If we are to get a smoker next to our verandah, I hope it's one of you... although I probably won't say much because I'm too much of a chicken... :lmao:

HappyontheLake
01-18-2011, 11:51 AM
The issue in discussion isn't banning smoking completely, it's why Disney still allows it on verandahs (while banning that at their lands resort, go figure...:confused:).



Bahamian flagged ship -- US land company following California and Florida laws. Big difference, and trust me the accountants and market researchers have number crunched what would happen if they completely banned smoking on the ship and the numbers don't add up.

And knowing that guest are not allowed to smoke on Deck 4 from 6am to 6pm I will get a CM to point that out to any smoking guests I see ... I have NO PROBLEM having people reminded of the rules that ensure health and safety.

justmestace
01-18-2011, 11:55 AM
As a nonsmoker I really appreciate all of you smokers who are willing to work with us so we can coexist happily... :hug:

If we are to get a smoker next to our verandah, I hope it's one of you... although I probably won't say much because I'm too much of a chicken... :lmao:


At least you aren't like the one person, who said one time on another smoking thread that she would spray Lysol at the person smoking on the verandah next to her!! :eek:

hgon76
01-18-2011, 12:10 PM
I have a feeling that particular study doesn't apply to people who can afford to cruise on Disney....especially in a verandah room.

:rotfl2:I though the same thing!! Since when is Disney cheap???:confused3 if so, I'm missing THOSE discounts!!

CandyMandy
01-18-2011, 12:14 PM
the accountants and market researchers have number crunched what would happen if they completely banned smoking on the ship

Apparently, said "accountants" and "market researchers" don't read very well, because they are looking at the wrong issue. The question in discussion here is whether smoking should still be allowed on verhandas, not whether it should be completely banned ship wide.

But the ones who worked for Celebrity apparently can read and their "number crunching" told a completely different -- and profitable -- story.;)

As for the "rich vs. poor" nonsense, don't complain to me. Send the hate mail to Marriott for engaging in an "attack" on less affluent people by banning smoking at their properties.:rolleyes:

PHILCT
01-18-2011, 12:20 PM
My partner is a smoker, and very good about going to the designated areas when we stay at WDW resorts and the parks.

He is aware he can smoke on the veranda, but will gladly go to the designated areas for the times he smokes during the day, but I think he would like to smoke outside on the veranda after like midnight before he retires to bed if the neighbors don't reject that option.

Question: Do people sleep with their patio door to the veranda open, or is it always closed? I wouldn't want smoke coming into anyone else's room, or even ours.

Thanks, Phil

ariel68
01-18-2011, 12:35 PM
We booked a verandah b/c I smoke. If you end up next to me just please talk to me. I wouldn't want to ruin your vacation or make a child sick. We are all human and we can surely work something out. :)

:thumbsup2 I, too am a smoker who is very respectful of non smokers. We dont smoke in our home or other peoples homes (whether they smoke or not), near children, etc.

We also (spent hundreds of dollars more and) booked a verandah, and it is quite likely that I will be using it early in the morning and late at night, as we dont intend to spend any time in our cabin during the day. I only ask that if you happen to have the staterooms adjacent to mine (10570 on March 31st sailing) that you would kindly advise me so I can be sure to offer you the same respect I offer to others. Please, if I do happen to be smoking in designated areas, I would also appreciate the courtesy of not having to deal with the condescending looks, and the critical glares. Smokers do tend to get flamed here quite regularly (pardon the pun), and mostly, just for following rules set out by DCL.

I would never want to see anyones health put in jeopardy, at the hands of another...whether it is allergies due to the food they eat, second hand smoke, and for me, it just happens to be the "gallons" of perfumes, etc that some people tend to wear, to which I am severely allergic. We all need to be considerate have a mutual respect for one another and that certainly shouldnt end at our Cruise...

justmestace
01-18-2011, 12:36 PM
My partner is a smoker, and very good about going to the designated areas when we stay at WDW resorts and the parks.

He is aware he can smoke on the veranda, but will gladly go to the designated areas for the times he smokes during the day, but I think he would like to smoke outside on the veranda after like midnight before he retires to bed if the neighbors don't reject that option.

Question: Do people sleep with their patio door to the veranda open, or is it always closed? I wouldn't want smoke coming into anyone else's room, or even ours.

Thanks, Phil

The cruise lines (Disney included) ask that people NOT leave the door open. But that's another one of those little "rules" (suggestions?) that people continually ignore.
The Carnival ship I just got off of had a sign in the room stating that the A/C in the room would automatically turn off when the verandah door is open.....an incentive for people to not leave the door open all night.

ariel68
01-18-2011, 12:44 PM
As a smoker, I've always felt that my right to smoke does not supersede your right to breathe clean air. I think many smokers feel the same way - we don't want to make anyone else uncomfortable with our smoking. I know if someone next to our stateroom asked us not to smoke on the balcony, I would gladly comply. I know not everyone would, but I think you would be surprised with how many smokers do try to be considerate.

Pete

:thumbsup2

Twinprincesses
01-18-2011, 01:03 PM
I am an occaisonal smoker and on the ship just smoked in the upstairs sections. Our neighbors in the Veranda did smoke and it came over to my area. Did not really bother me but I did notice it.

hdmeza
01-18-2011, 01:12 PM
At least you aren't like the one person, who said one time on another smoking thread that she would spray Lysol at the person smoking on the verandah next to her!! :eek:

wow, what an attitude for someone to have...(referrring to the OP of the comment you referenced)
w/a DH smoker I can say he would never hesistate to work w/ a neighbor especially on a vacation, but let me say if anyone ever spraye anything at anyone on MY verandah I would seriously consider pressing charges.

IDK what you do and how big a show you put on on your own, but don't dare try something like that with me.

I think we have moved from discussing how to deal w/ the allowance of smoking on a verandah to what seems to me as a board newbie, basically a debate over a mute point. Smoking is allowed in said areas, and while you will have exceptions to every rule (such as minors drinking, people not properly insuring their motor vehicles, and the like) in my vacation experiences I have found that smokers do tend to follow guidelines. We could debate all year about that handful that don't, but why not rather realize that most people are human and are able to be selfless (at least for a short time) especially when a childs health is involved. :confused:

abacab
03-23-2011, 06:01 PM
Does smoke ever waft to your verandah from the public smoking areas on decks 4 and 9? Since those public areas are on the starboard side, does it help (for a nonsmoker) to get a port room, so as to avoid the smoke wafting from the public areas?

Also, what about those verandah rooms that have the solid wall that shows up every 4 or 5 rooms? Does the solid wall offer more protection from neighboring smokers?

Goofy4Disney99
03-23-2011, 09:01 PM
We recently were on the Wonder Panama Canal cruise and had a Navigator's Verandah (cat 7) stateroom. There are solid walls separating the verandahs. My wife smokes on the verandah and had asked our neighbors if her smoking bothered them. They both indicated that they had no idea that she smoked. So perhaps getting one of those rooms would help - of course they are only available on the Magic and Wonder.