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CWIPPERMAN
09-11-2002, 09:06 PM
Well, I'm sitting at a computer in DisneyQuest, 3/4 of the way through my vacation. I just had to pop on here real quick and pass this on. I haven't looked around the board at all so this may be old news, but yesterday as we were leaving blizzard beach, we were asked to do a survey. The guy giving the survey started talking to us and said that they had just been informed that WDW will be building a VILLIANS oriented theme park. It is supposed to compete with Universal's IOA.

Well, I'm off to pleasure island. I'll check back in a few days when I get home.

Miss Park Avenue
09-11-2002, 09:26 PM
An entire theme park devoted to the villians??? This is a joke right??

Spaceman Spiff
09-11-2002, 10:28 PM
I'll wait for the offical announcement but thanks for the tidbit of info. :D

larry_poppins
09-11-2002, 10:46 PM
Wishful thinking, but I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for a 5th theme park to open!

Another Voice
09-11-2002, 11:48 PM
Hmmmmm.......

You know, sometimes when things aren't really going your way and people don't really like what you're doing, it's kinda of nice just to talk about doing something. You know, keep the morale up and make people think something "may be in the works".

Talking's a heck of a lot cheaper than actually doing anything.

Miss Park Avenue
09-12-2002, 07:13 AM
The CM's must be bored with the reduced crowds! M.E. was supposed to be out last Thursday according to a rumor on another thread.

Peter Pirate
09-12-2002, 08:26 AM
Aside from Mr. Voice's post we're being a tad bit harsh here aren't we? After all this is the Rumors Board and what CWIPPERMAN has posted certainly falls into that catagory. The degree with what we view the probability of the rumor notwitstanding, I think that thanks or discussion is warranted in lieu of such a quick dismissal.

I'm sure none of you intended to be dismissive but if we want rumors to continue to be posted they should be accepted gracefully...

Off my soap box...
:cool: :cool: :bounce: :cool: :cool:

Walt's Frozen Head
09-12-2002, 08:58 AM
In May, the CM at the Main Street Firehouse Shop (I picked up a nice Mickey's Magic Kingdom Fire Department polo. It was the only kinda cool and unique wearable-to-work shirt I saw that trip... a disappointment to me. I'm still more than willing to give Disney money, if only they'll offer me something interesting in return) assured me that the fifth park, all villains, was a "go." I hadn't asked about any future plans, she was just bubbly that way.

I don't think she had access to more late-breaking, high-level news than some of us, here, have. I do think she was excited to talk about a possibility that excited her, but I'm not sure how deeply she considered the ramifications of such a move.

I mean, this is something we generally don't even disagree on, right? We might have differing reasons as to why not, but at this point, does anyone think a fifth Orlando Disney park is a good idea?

-WFH

MHopkins2
09-12-2002, 09:01 AM
does anyone think a fifth Orlando Disney park is a good idea? If it were done *right* (both theme and execution, both likely involving a boatload of money), then yes I think it's a good idea. It would be a better idea to fix the existing problems first before making the new park investment, but I don't think a 5th gate is a bad idea in and of itself - just shouldn't be at the top of the priority list.

mjstaceyuofm
09-12-2002, 09:51 AM
Could it just be that the Imagineers were given the greenlight to start developing ideas/concepts and that rumor is making it's way around? Ideas on paper don't cost that much.... We've all seen/read about all the great attractions imagineering has come up with over the years only to not get them. This may be a similar case.

larworth
09-12-2002, 10:19 AM
It seems reasonable that they could be doing some concept research on a 5th gate (hence the reason for the other post about potential names). We know how long the gestation period on these things can be, so even if the current "master plan?" had it now slotted for the end of this decade, they would probably still want some general scope defintion of it today (and it would undoubtedly change several times before they pulled the trigger).

Several months ago there were rumors of a major transportation plan near approval. A month ago we heard rumors that money for the 5th gate was going to be diverted to rejuvenate Epcot. Than, I thought I saw a recent quote by Eisner that he was going to ask for some postponement in capital spend through 2006 so they could pursue some unnamed new business venture? Sounds like an organization where everyone is united behind a common corporate vision, heh.

Leaking a false rumor about a 5th gate might have an impact on morale, but would it play well with the street, given current conditions? I assume this is the audience they care most about spinning.

The Disney Bunch
09-12-2002, 11:05 AM
Wasn't this a rumor a couple of years ago & they decided not to do it? It would be kinda cool - especially if it had more rides like Universal!

Miss Park Avenue
09-12-2002, 11:25 AM
I'm sorry if it seemed I just dismissed it. So much is discussed here about reduced crowds and all the cuts made supposedly because of small crowds. I still hate that MK closes before dark in May. People talk about how AK is half finished and now another park may be added? They build and build and build, and cut and cut and cut the things I loved.

Bob O
09-12-2002, 11:57 AM
The last thing they is a 5th gate. All of the existing parks have major holes to fill before they build a new park. Not to speak of the need for increased hours!!

wdwguide
09-12-2002, 12:06 PM
If all the things that CMs say they heard will be built at WDW were reality, there wouldn't be a single square inch left undeveloped by now... A fifth park isn't in the cards for the forseeable future.

Luv2Roam
09-12-2002, 05:39 PM
Nice rumor, but I think I read there was a Villains park rumor even quite awhile back that never amounted to more than a rumor.
Like most, I would rather see extended hours, services and the existing parks added on to.

Safari Steve
09-12-2002, 06:31 PM
1) this is an old, old rumor.

2) If mr. voice was trying to say that WDW management was lying to guests in lieu of actual improvements... I think he needs to take a nap... the only person who made this claim was a survey CM.

3) Some (not all) WDW Survey CMs are temporary CMs.

4) Mr. Weiss made a couple of statements at the beginning of the 100 years celebration to the effect that there were no more parks on the immediate horizon, and that the current plan is to improve upon what is already built as far as the parks are concerned. I trust him alot more than a temp who volunteered another story.

DisneyFanGuy
09-13-2002, 07:07 AM
Here is an old, similar rumor from 1999.


Old villian rumor (http://www.arkstar.com/dreamfinder/dit899.htm)

PrincessAurora
09-13-2002, 11:20 AM
I have a friend that works in Imagineering. He worked on Animal Kingdom and did a ton of research for the Mythical Beasts "land" in Animal Kingdom which has yet to see the light of day.

According to him, the Villian Park (code named Shadowland) was scaled back from a whole theme park idea to a land and now languishes in the land of "might be/could have beens".

Fire Mountain/Villians Mountain is still batted around but cost, declining attendance, etc have put it on the back burner for now.

larworth
09-13-2002, 02:38 PM
Princess Aurora

From what we hear BK has also passed into the land of "what might have been". Maybe you could ask if he thinks it will ever see the light of day. Wonder if he has a link to Scoop's anonymouse website?

cinderellakh20
09-13-2002, 05:15 PM
I think the park would be great if they actually do it!!!! :Pinkbounc

dianawill
09-13-2002, 06:23 PM
At the end of the MGM Backlot tour - there is a poster announing a new Villians Exhibit that will be opening at MGM. Our Tour Guide confirmed that a section of the backlot building is being redone for the Villians Exhibit, but was not willing to give any more details. Perhaps it is a test to determine the response to more villians related attractions?

hallie
09-14-2002, 12:25 PM
It sounds like a cool idea. I never liked the idea of beatly Kingdom, well the idea was good but the name-yuck.

Personally I'd rather see them stop building and give Epcot the TLC it deserves. They should wait until they get things back to the way it use to be(no cutbacks) before they even consider building a new park or resort.

CWIPPERMAN
09-14-2002, 06:23 PM
Well, I'm home from my trip, and have looked at some of the responses this generated. When I posted this from DisQuest, the keyboards sucked, and I was running short on time so I didn't elaborate too much. The guy doing the survey and I talked for a few minutes about it (the "villlians" park). He said that it would be more "thrill ride" oriented, and try to take some of the business away from Islands of Adventure. He made it very clear that it was just what he had been told, and that it wasn't an "official release". When I posted this info, I didn't bother to search the board, so for all I knew someone may have posted something "official" about it, and I was just elaborating on that info. I'm sorry to the folks that think I'm trying to dredge up an old subject.

It was Tuesday that I heard this, on Thursday, I spent some time talking to a bus driver. I didn't get his name, but he said he had been with the company for 27 years. I mentioned what I had heard about the new park, and he said "That has been floating around here forever". He said that MGM, and Animal Kingdom were discussed for many years before they were built. So, overall, it sounds like this may go more along the lines of the "rumor rather than fact" type of tidbit. But, I do find it odd that the original guy would mention it to me before doing my survey. None of the survey questions asked about the idea for a new park, but maybe they mention it and try to note the response? Maybe a survey taker could get on here and let us know if something like that would happen.... you know... a "What would you think of a "Villians" park, and then a place for the survey taker to "Rate guest's Reaction".

Anyway, the only other thing I heard that could qualify as a "rumor" is that "Pop Century" is ready to open (some of the buildings - not all of them), but they don't have the busses available to service the resort. I got some photo's of the resort (as good as I could get speeding by in my bus), and I'll post them up here when I get a chance. But the bus driver that told me this also said that they may not even finish the unfinished parts of Pop Century until the resort occupancy gets back up.

disneydude
09-16-2002, 11:57 AM
ONE WORD...............


YES .


Opening 2010

manning
09-16-2002, 09:13 PM
15 billion dollars in debt and they are going to build what ??

eeyore0062
09-17-2002, 11:44 AM
An exciting bit of information, but I feel that if done right, they could develop the concept of the Mythical Beast area in Animal Kingdom and have that compete with IOA. I don't see any need for a 5th gate, when the 4th hasn't been close to fully developed.

Luv2Roam
09-17-2002, 11:54 AM
CWIPPERMAN -- Sounds like the bus driver was the better source. ;)

Hadjii
09-17-2002, 12:10 PM
It's a great theme for a land. I agree with most of the posters that I'd much rather see extended hours, (especially in the off seasons which is when we go every year, 5pm for MK! Jeez.) than an additional park. I bet the Imagineers would have a ball with these rides!!

d-r
09-17-2002, 12:46 PM
This is what I think - I think that everyone thought the idea of villain land was a good one, it went from park, to an area of MK where the 20K lagoon was, to the Festival of the Lion King theatre - I believe that Mickey's Philharmagic is the left over step child of the Villian land. By that I mean that I think that Mickey's Philharmagic is what the end result of this line of thinking was.

One unrelated thing - if they wanted to survey people about it, they would just go ahead ask people - it would be much more reliable than asking the survey people to rate a reaction.

And I agree with everybody - I'd rather see a spruced up epcot, a villain land or ride at MK or MGM, and an additional land at AK (and I'd still really like to see fire mt.) than see a 5th gate-
DR