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DonkeyGreatness
12-13-2010, 01:03 PM
So I've seen quite a few comments about it and it seems like you either love it or hate it. So do you think Disney should get rid of it, adjust it, or keep it as is?

NMW
12-13-2010, 01:40 PM
I voted keep it. We do the deluxe dining plan and I wouldn't want to ever go to WDW with out it. However, I would like them to add an alcohol option to make it even more all-inclusive. Like the wine option, but including beer and other mixed drinks. I think I may email Disney and suggest that! :goodvibes

eliza61
12-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Disney has always had some type of meal plan. They do provide a service. but it seems now with the dining plan the emphasis is on cost savings.
The dining plan is only useful if what you are eating is worth the money. So now disney has put the emphasis on making cheap meals that gives them great profits instead of making great meals.

So now the problem becomes you pretty much are forced to do the dining plan because no way would you pay the out of pockets cost for the subpar food they serve.

Don't get rid of the dining plan, get rid of the crappy food.

skiingfast
12-13-2010, 02:05 PM
I like that the DPs make the trip very close to all inclusive.

MyTwoPrincesses
12-13-2010, 04:14 PM
I like it but I wish they would lower the price and take out the desserts - so entrees and drinks only, no desserts for either CS or TS.

PoohsFan1
12-13-2010, 04:53 PM
We did the DDP on our trip this past September and really liked it (we actually upgraded to the DxDP). We liked it so much that we are doing it again for our May trip. I don't think my DH can go back to the paying OOP thing again :goodvibes

shan136
12-13-2010, 05:08 PM
We just used the DDP for the first time. I think they should keep it because it is very nice to have the food paid for upfront and not worry about it. However, I think it does need some changes.

I found TS and CS meals to be HUGE. We really could have been happy with 1 meal and 2 snacks per day. Since we did the basic dining we only had the option of dessert, however, we don't always eat dessert. I'd like to have the choice of either appetizer or dessert.

Also, DDP doesn't include alcohol but if I am having a margarita or glass of wine with my dinner I won't also order a soda or iced tea. I'm not sure what the "fix" for this would be because I don't foresee adult beverages being included in the DDP...

eva
12-13-2010, 05:14 PM
Also, DDP doesn't include alcohol but if I am having a margarita or glass of wine with my dinner I won't also order a soda or iced tea. I'm not sure what the "fix" for this would be because I don't foresee adult beverages being included in the DDP...

I doubt if they would ever do it, but maybe they could give you a $2-3 credit towards any beverage.

Hopefully
12-13-2010, 05:20 PM
Disney has always had some type of meal plan. They do provide a service. but it seems now with the dining plan the emphasis is on cost savings.
The dining plan is only useful if what you are eating is worth the money. So now disney has put the emphasis on making cheap meals that gives them great profits instead of making great meals.

So now the problem becomes you pretty much are forced to do the dining plan because no way would you pay the out of pockets cost for the subpar food they serve.

Don't get rid of the dining plan, get rid of the crappy food.

I agree. I like the dining plan concept and we have used it many times, in both incarnations. But I do not like the current quality and diversity of the food offerings. I understand the ecomomics of the DDP. But what I would really like would be the basic dining plan menu for all on the plan, and then some higher quality/innovative dishes (like they used to have) availble for an extra fee. I am willing to pay for the higher end that I want. I don't like that it is not even available to me anymore.
Although we have done the DDP for years, I am thinking of upgrading to an AP and buying the Tables in Wonderland card next trip. I can eat what I want, where I want, and I can eat at the Swan/Dolphin, DTD restaurants that are not on the DDP.
With the current offerings and quality, they are most likely loosing a customer.
I voted, "Keep it but make changes" but if that is not possible I would vote "Get rid of it"

AirGoofy
12-13-2010, 07:35 PM
DP used to include gratuity. Add that back in. Ability to have appetizer or desert at TS. Get rid of those bad QS deserts and add in another snack.

saffymom
12-13-2010, 07:40 PM
Also, DDP doesn't include alcohol but if I am having a margarita or glass of wine with my dinner I won't also order a soda or iced tea. I'm not sure what the "fix" for this would be because I don't foresee adult beverages being included in the DDP...

I don't know if all the restaurants do it, but when we ordered a alcoholic beverage, the server offered us a bottle of water to take with us since we didn't order the beverage that comes with the DDP.

cjsm&d
12-13-2010, 07:49 PM
So I've seen quite a few comments about it and it seems like you either love it or hate it. So do you think Disney should get rid of it, adjust it, or keep it as is?

It just doesn't work great for my family. DS (10) is not a big eater and we would lose money for certain with him. Also, while it may save DW and I some money, not enough to deal with it. We don't eat desert at every meal, so we really aren't saving that amount as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe if DW and I did a long weekend of just us we'd do it,I don't see it for us.

cjsm&d
12-13-2010, 07:50 PM
I like it but I wish they would lower the price and take out the desserts - so entrees and drinks only, no desserts for either CS or TS.

I like this! :thumbsup2

Coconuts
12-13-2010, 07:56 PM
Disney has always had some type of meal plan. They do provide a service. but it seems now with the dining plan the emphasis is on cost savings.
The dining plan is only useful if what you are eating is worth the money. So now disney has put the emphasis on making cheap meals that gives them great profits instead of making great meals.

So now the problem becomes you pretty much are forced to do the dining plan because no way would you pay the out of pockets cost for the subpar food they serve.

Don't get rid of the dining plan, get rid of the crappy food.

Well said.:thumbsup2

Also, gratuity needs to be added back in and allow us to pick either appetizer or dessert.

stephielela
12-13-2010, 08:02 PM
The first time I used the dining plan was in 2006. Back then it included app, entree, dessert and soft drink as well as gratuity for all TS meals, one CS meal, and one snack. It was also about $10 cheaper than it is now. I swore after that I would never go back to WDW without it. They have slowly done away with the value by first eliminating the gratuity, then the app for the standard plan. At this point, without free dining, the dining plan is no longer worth it for us. This time we got free dining and paid to upgrade it to the DxDP because we are not a CS family as a group, we prefer to eat more TS meals, and several signature meals which are 2 credits. The QSDP is great when it's just me and DS on our shorter trips, especially since we always go during free dining, but the way the basic plan is, we never pay to upgrade to it because you get more food on QS (an extra snack credit) plus the refillable mug, and you don't have to pay any gratuity.

I vote to keep the dining plan, but unless it's free, or they change it/lower the price, we will not be using it.

jimmiej
12-13-2010, 08:09 PM
I've found we eat less without the DP, but spend as much or more. I agree there's too much food on the DP.

WeLuvDiz
12-13-2010, 08:19 PM
Keep it, but they should have the tip included again.

caroline1851
12-13-2010, 08:37 PM
A perfect ddp for me would be:

1 CS (no dessert)
1 TS (dessert or appetizer) Also, if you wanted just water (not bottled), you could order that and they would subtract $2.50/3 from an adult drink
2 snacks

Or...I would love also:

2 TS (same as above)
2 snacks

Colleen27
12-13-2010, 08:37 PM
I don't really care what they do with the basic plan. It doesn't work for us, and if the choice were between that or no dining plan at all we'd pay OOP.

We love the deluxe plan as-is. It gives the trip an "all inclusive" feel and takes the guesswork out of budgeting for meals, and it gives us permission to order in ways we never would if we were thinking about costs. I don't want to see anything about the DxDDP change (though of course I'm willing to accept price increases up to a point).

I would like to see a better alcohol plan, though. Bottles of wine don't work for us because DH isn't a wine drinker and I sometimes prefer a cocktail, but we'd love to see a more flexible plan that would allow us to add on one alcoholic drink per adult at our dinners.

THEJOEL
12-13-2010, 08:38 PM
The main thing I liked was it took some of the stress out of my trip since my food was prepaid except for tips(Which I already put money aside for.). That was one less thing I had to worry about and any time you can reduce the stress of a vacation the better. Since my vacation was fully paid by the time I checked-in I was able to relax and enjoy my trip more.
We were lucky that our vacation was during the "free" dining period but I had already decided on the DDP before I knew that. Honestly though unless I book a trip during a "free" dining period I will go with the QSDP next time because it was a LOT of food and the CS meals were great and had a lot of variety. It also allows a little more flexibility in your day I would think.

Nikisha421
12-13-2010, 08:42 PM
I love the plan. We always have it...It makes the vacation feel all-inclusive...I do wish they would let us choice between appetizer and desserts....that's my only issue...

Cheshire Figment
12-13-2010, 09:01 PM
At least get rid of the Basic Plan. Keep the QS and maybe the deluxe (at a higher price) or higher plans.

DaniB
12-13-2010, 09:40 PM
We loved the TS meals and were not happy with the CS options in the parks. The CS deserts options... ugh... I would have rathered a bottle of water than the desert.

Now a plan where we could get:
-- 2 TS and 2 snacks would be great!!
-- A choice of appitzer or dessert for TS meals

That would be ideal for us. TS Breakfast and dinner. 2 snacks during the day. If we really wanted something to eat midway through the day, then we pay OOP for a meal.

trac96
12-14-2010, 06:34 AM
We enjoyed the meal plan in November while there but I believe they need to have some changes as well. I don't think that we would ever pay for this option but as long as we travel while it's free we loved it.

jen42002
12-14-2010, 06:44 AM
DP used to include gratuity. Add that back in. Ability to have appetizer or desert at TS. Get rid of those bad QS deserts and add in another snack.

My thoughts exactly! There are many times that I would have preferred an appetizer over a dessert. Some of the CS desserts are ok (at the resorts that have bakeries etc.) but most I would not miss at all.

stitchaholic
12-14-2010, 07:20 AM
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Now a plan where we could get:
-- 2 TS and 2 snacks would be great!!
-- A choice of appitzer or dessert for TS meals

That would be ideal for us. TS Breakfast and dinner. 2 snacks during the day. If we really wanted something to eat midway through the day, then we pay OOP for a meal.
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i agree

NMW
12-14-2010, 07:48 AM
I don't really care what they do with the basic plan. It doesn't work for us, and if the choice were between that or no dining plan at all we'd pay OOP.

We love the deluxe plan as-is. It gives the trip an "all inclusive" feel and takes the guesswork out of budgeting for meals, and it gives us permission to order in ways we never would if we were thinking about costs. I don't want to see anything about the DxDDP change (though of course I'm willing to accept price increases up to a point).

I would like to see a better alcohol plan, though. Bottles of wine don't work for us because DH isn't a wine drinker and I sometimes prefer a cocktail, but we'd love to see a more flexible plan that would allow us to add on one alcoholic drink per adult at our dinners.



I agree with everything you have said. WE LOVE the deluxe plan and want it to stay as is. I don't care about the basic plan at all as it just doesn't work for our family.


I would love to see an alcohol add-on to the deluxe plan as well. The winbe plan is great, but I'd like one that included mixed drinks and beer as well. I would definitely pay $$ for that! It shouldn't be that hard for WDW to put into effect. They sell the exact same mixed drinks property-wide. They even have the same drink books at every restuarant. They could include all basic dinks and make certain premium things like Patron or Grey Goose an upcharge.

walkdmc
12-14-2010, 07:55 AM
I would like to see a snacks only plan added to the options. Snacks are great for large families who split up then meet for meals. That way, the parents can assume no one is walking around hungry or thirsty. The snacks are actually my favorite part of the DDP and I've done the Deluxe plan 2x.

Colleen27
12-14-2010, 08:00 AM
At least get rid of the Basic Plan. Keep the QS and maybe the deluxe (at a higher price) or higher plans.

I'm not sure how much higher they could price the plan and still sell it (unless they continue the pattern of accompanying increases in menu prices). There has to be a certain discount factor to convince people to assume the risk of pre-paying; if the pricing offers so little savings that it just takes a missed meal or two due to a stomach bug or a flight delay or bad weather or any of unpredictable things that sometimes happen when traveling, vacationers are going to be much less likely to see any advantage in buying a plan.

By my math, the basic plan is already near that point - the average TS cost for the 6 one credit meals (counting only character meals and lunch/dinners) on my plans for March is $28. That leaves $18 in additional value to squeeze out of the CS and snack credits just to break even, and one missed ADR for unforeseen circumstances would mean losing money on the plan.

TDC Nala
12-14-2010, 08:05 AM
I don't care what Disney does with it but I know I do not wish to use it. I'm going to make an attempt to patronize restaurants that don't accept it.

There are lots of prior discussions as to why a choice between appetizer and dessert will not be offered on the basic plan (they have legitimate business reasons for that) and as to why swapping your dessert for an appetizer is strictly prohibited.

Disney Spaz
12-14-2010, 08:39 AM
We are going this May on Free dining for the first time. I haven't used the plan but I am already guessing the issues I will have. Like the dessert vs appitizer issue and the tip issue. Ihad considered buying the basic DP years ago when it was all-inclusive but hesitated due to cost. I can now say without a doubt we would prefer the basic DP to disappear and the quality of food return.

Cimicats
12-26-2010, 06:07 PM
I wish they'd do a point system. Say you could purchase 100 points and the snacks, QS and TS meals were assigned a value. So you could do anything two TS a day or all QS, the points would just be deducted as you use them.

megan926
12-26-2010, 06:15 PM
I like it but I wish they would lower the price and take out the desserts - so entrees and drinks only, no desserts for either CS or TS.


Agreed!

B-Ride
12-26-2010, 06:24 PM
We use it every trip but would love to see two changes:
1. Give an option of either an appetizer or a dessert.
2. Include an appetizer with signature meals which makes the 2 credits closer to being worth it.

ebird08
12-26-2010, 06:31 PM
Get rid of those bad QS deserts and add in another snack.

yessss! totally agree! those mini chocolate cakes - yuck!:eek:

DonkeyGreatness
12-26-2010, 06:56 PM
I wish they'd do a point system. Say you could purchase 100 points and the snacks, QS and TS meals were assigned a value. So you could do anything two TS a day or all QS, the points would just be deducted as you use them.

You should submit this idea to Disney, I think it's great. Furthermore, I think the points should also vary by restaurant. I don't think a TS at Beaches should count the same as a TS at Tutto Italia. That's absolute madness.

Colleen27
12-27-2010, 12:00 PM
You should submit this idea to Disney, I think it's great. Furthermore, I think the points should also vary by restaurant. I don't think a TS at Beaches should count the same as a TS at Tutto Italia. That's absolute madness.

If they start breaking it down based on menu prices, there would be no advantage to the plan from a consumer's POV - no savings, and a need to budget points the same way you'd budget paying OOP. Paying cash would achieve the same thing without the complexity of buying, understanding, and using a package plan.

DonkeyGreatness
12-27-2010, 06:59 PM
If they start breaking it down based on menu prices, there would be no advantage to the plan from a consumer's POV - no savings, and a need to budget points the same way you'd budget paying OOP. Paying cash would achieve the same thing without the complexity of buying, understanding, and using a package plan.

I don't completely agree. You can have a tier system of restaurants, Tier 1 would include places like Beaches, The Plaza, Rose & Crown, as examples. Tier 2 would then include the finer dining establishments. You would still save a lot of money but wouldn't get completely hammered if you went to an inexpensive place.

If you want to substitute an app for a dessert, you can give up a few points.

If you want an alcoholic beverage, you can give up a few points.

Snacks are given a point value per day and if they go unused, you can use the points towards other meals.

I think its pure brilliance.

Cimicats
12-27-2010, 07:35 PM
You should submit this idea to Disney, I think it's great. Furthermore, I think the points should also vary by restaurant. I don't think a TS at Beaches should count the same as a TS at Tutto Italia. That's absolute madness.

Thanks. Last trip we did DXDP and it was too much(and trust me I can eat). In March we are doing Basic and that isn't quite enough. With a couple of Signatures I'm going to have some OOP. I like doing the DP though because it is prepaid and feels all-inclusive. So say they did it snack 2, QS 5, TS 10 and Signature 20. As I plan my trip and make my ADRs it would be nice to say ok I need 70 points for dinners.

patsal
12-27-2010, 09:05 PM
I'd like to see the options for DDP changed altogether. Perhaps something rather like the Applebees menu when you get appetizer and 2 entrees for $25 off a more limited menu. Since Disney is no longer in the business of fine dining and all the food is rather Applebees like in quality, why not go to a separate menu for DDP and allow those of us who prefer better food the choice to pay for it.

yankeepenny
12-27-2010, 10:43 PM
here is an idea(and NO i did not read all thru the thread)

have 1 CS equal drink and meal (no dessert)

have 1 TS equal drink, entree and tip

give everyone 2 snacks a day, and a free mug.:goodvibes

aubriee
12-28-2010, 01:09 AM
I wish they'd do a point system. Say you could purchase 100 points and the snacks, QS and TS meals were assigned a value. So you could do anything two TS a day or all QS, the points would just be deducted as you use them.



If you want to substitute an app for a dessert, you can give up a few points.

If you want an alcoholic beverage, you can give up a few points.

Snacks are given a point value per day and if they go unused, you can use the points towards other meals.

I think its pure brilliance.

I agree! I'm not a snacker, so seldom use any snack credits, then have to rush over to Goofy's my last day to use up those credits. There are very few CS restuarants that I like, so with the basic DDP wind up having to pay OOP for at least a couple meals, then have CS credits left. Sometimes I want dessert, but most times would prefer an appetizer. I really wish each course would be a certain number of credits and that you could just buy as many credits as you actually need. I'm not a breakfast eater, but would love to be able to have a TS for both an early lunch and a late dinner (with a few Signature restaurants thrown in). For the way we eat the basic DDP is not enough TS credits, but the DxDDP is too many.

When I was there Dec 4th-12th I was on the DxDDP and was going to have a credit left over my last day (even with taking a meal to eat at the airport). I round up canceling Le Cellier on Friday night and ate at the Flying Fish (as a walk up) a second time that week, just so I could use the extra credit. I round up eating at a Signature restaurant every night, when I really would have preferred a couple of one credit restaurants, but didn't want to waste the dining credits. I had spent one day over at Universal, plus wasn't interested in eating breakfast, so had only lunch and dinner to use up three credits/day, but because I wanted to eat at several Signature restaurants the basic DDP would not have given me enough credits plus I would have wasted all those CS credits. If a point system had been available I could have just bought the points I needed and done just a couple of CS restaurants, a few one credit restaurants, and used the rest for Signature restaurants. I didn't need any snack credits.

For a week my ideal meals would be: WGP Express, Tangeriene Cafe, Norwegian bakery, Pepper Market, Le Cellier, Tutto Italia, Chef's de France, Konas, Bomas, Cape May, Flying Fish, Jikos, Artist Point, Citricos, and California Grill. Neither of the DDP really fits for those.