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DVC-Landbaron
09-07-2002, 10:38 PM
What’s up with this. Didn’t Disney management say that they weren’t going to do this anymore?!!!!!!!!

Painting in broad daylight!?!?! With guests present?!?!!? What costumes are they wearing?!?! Early American tradesmen???

http://www.wdwblues.com/images/main.street.refurb.4.jpg


NICE “SHOW” GUYS!!!! :mad:

Click here (http://www.wdwblues.com/mk/refurb.madness.html)for more deatails.

Bob O
09-08-2002, 12:24 AM
Just more lowering of standards!!!! But of course some will post that this is just fine and doesnt affect the show at all we should just ignore it and be happy the hours arent furthur reduced.

Werner Weiss
09-08-2002, 12:55 AM
At least they're painting!

Spaceman Spiff
09-08-2002, 01:04 AM
yep, last feburary when we went to epcot they were painting the BAH(big *** hand). it was truly magical... :rolleyes:

Planogirl
09-08-2002, 01:18 AM
I am glad that they're at least doing some work now and in their defense, I've ALWAYS seen gardeners in the daytime mostly in Epcot. But the painting should be done after closing and oh my, I do hate the sight of that crane. What a lousy photograph that would make.

Another Voice
09-08-2002, 02:18 AM
At Disneyland they are ripping out flowers and other greenery from planters around the hub area and Main Street.

They’re leaving stretches of dirt with a sign that says new plants are coming soon.

Now THAT’s how to improve a show!

Jeff in BigD
09-08-2002, 03:52 AM
Is this one sponsored by Sherwin-Williams? :rolleyes:

Mr D
09-08-2002, 09:17 AM
Personally I think all painting should be done in natural daylight, even the best metal halide lamps cannot give the best color rendition for quality painting, and this is the best way to paint. Disney tried painting at night at DL and there were many problems later because it was done under artificial illumination and higher humidity from dewdrop moisture, the paint would not adhere and later peeled away as everybody has seen and complained about.
its better to see it done right than see it peel away later.
I consider all my trips to either WDW or DL as a real life adventure than some fantasy world where everything is perfect, that place is much later when I pass away...hopefully.

wdw4us2
09-08-2002, 02:59 PM
I believe that, way back when, work was done during the day. However, there were 10 ft. walls around the attractions so you couldn't see what they were doing. There were also signs saying something like, "Pardon our dust, we are refurbishing this area for your future enjoyment."

At least then, you couldn't see what they were doing.

Lisa:cool:

OnWithTheShow
09-08-2002, 04:13 PM
exactly right MR D. Finally someone who understands...

Bob O
09-08-2002, 04:43 PM
If they paint during regular hours in full view of all the guests they are lowering their standards to that of SF or any other park that acts in a similiar manner. This is being done to save money as im sure the painters are getting paid more for nightitme work than day time work as that is a staple in most union contracts. They have done painting in non park hours in the past and the paint jobs looked fine.

Micca
09-08-2002, 06:42 PM
At least there is no "painter's crack".

DVC-Landbaron
09-08-2002, 08:21 PM
exactly right MR D. Finally someone who understands...Ahhh! Mr. Show! How nice to hear from you after actually meeting you!! (check your PMs. There's a few from me.) Anyway, nice to hear from you, but...

Yes, I'm afraid there is a but... But, "UNDERSTANDS" what exactly? Understands that "efficiency" comes before "show"? Gee! I thought it was the other way around! Or maybe I'm not understanding what your "understanding" means! Care to clarify?

melomouse
09-09-2002, 09:35 AM
I'm pretty new here so I'm still trying to figure this out....

all the maintenance is "supposed" to be hidden so we think we are in a fantasy or a movie?

Okay...where does the "fantasy" end? We don't want to see any painters? We want to pretend the place is perfect all the time and the fairies come in at night and keep it that way? Paint never peels and wears?

Could those same fairies come in and take away other "imperfections"? How about the mundane facts of life - sweating people, tired cranky folks, restrooms even?
Or is it about the chnage and loss of what Disney was in the olden days - like when we were kids?

This reminds me of those parents who not only play Santa on Christmas Eve(fine with me), but also are the ones who put up a whole tree and decorate it after the kids are asleep and they say "Santa put up our tree!"

That said - of course I'd like it all to be behind the scenes. The crane is really jarring to the eye. Well-dressed painters working in daylight - better for quality of the job, for sure - ?? I'm not sure it rattles my cage.

Is there something I'm missing???

Mr D
09-09-2002, 09:40 AM
What I meant to say in my earlier post is that seeing maintenance work performed while I visit the parks makes me feel safer and thats mostly because I have over 25 years experiance in just that sort of field. There is another thing I will disagree upon, seeing such things as construction equipment, workers, painting and excavating does NOT detract from a "show" image to me, the parks is very much a living thing that is alive and not a still life caricature of a fantasy world where everything is perfect and never needs work or improvement.

Also yes its more expensive to work off hours plus the additional equipment needed and the materials needed that must work during cooler temps such as faster drying paints. This saturday I needed to repair a hole in some fiberglass of a rear hatch on a Ford Aerostar and the overhead door to my shop will not work at the moment so I did the resin batch and application outside during the day when its only 53 degrees (Alaska summer) the resin was not curing so I had to use a heat gun to accelerate it. Same thing applies to Disney parks, even though a winter florida night in summer can be very warm still its changes the process of many things.
Now what would ruin a "show" would be more flagrant hostile CM's than there usually is, that is what a real problem is more so than anything else.

HB2K
09-09-2002, 12:23 PM
Yes, I'm afraid there is a but... But, "UNDERSTANDS" what exactly?
This is a new attraction! Come see how we paint the Kingdom!

Hey, at least it's more exciting than watching bread rise.

YoHo
09-09-2002, 01:24 PM
When Disneyland was opened in 1955 they repainted at night. Disneyland and WDW have been repainting at night up until the 90s it wasn't until then that they started painting during the day. That's what 35+ years of painting under inappropriate conditions? Since I live in the pacific northwest I know a lot about Paint and moister and I KNOW that they make paint that will adhere better in moist conditions.
Painting during the day should never be acceptable.

Jeff in BigD
09-09-2002, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by melomouse
all the maintenance is "supposed" to be hidden so we think we are in a fantasy or a movie?
Yup! That's why there are trees all along DL - because Walt didn't want people walking around & being able to see some of the eyesores on Harbor Blvd. That's why WDW was built away from the outside world.

Okay...where does the "fantasy" end? We don't want to see any painters? We want to pretend the place is perfect all the time and the fairies come in at night and keep it that way? Paint never peels and wears?
Hmm, perhaps shows should run if a pirate's head pops off? I mean we wouldn't want people to be mad about a closed ride, right? I mean the ride is pretty old anyway, not only that but decapitation was probably a daily experience for pirates anyway, so maybe it enhances the show? http://www.tag-board.com/smilies/nono.gif

Could those same fairies come in and take away other "imperfections"? How about the mundane facts of life - sweating people, tired cranky folks, restrooms even?
As long as they keep track of things they can control, like clean restrooms...

Or is it about the chnage and loss of what Disney was in the olden days - like when we were kids?
That's a big part of it.

This reminds me of those parents who not only play Santa on Christmas Eve(fine with me), but also are the ones who put up a whole tree and decorate it after the kids are asleep and they say "Santa put up our tree!"
Perhaps Santa should change in front of everyone since it's more efficient than having to go all the way into another room then? :rolleyes:

That said - of course I'd like it all to be behind the scenes. The crane is really jarring to the eye. Well-dressed painters working in daylight - better for quality of the job, for sure - ?? I'm not sure it rattles my cage.

Is there something I'm missing???
Apparently so. I'm sorry that your expectations of Disney are so low & I think it's a shame that we're forced to settle these days.

wdhatter
09-09-2002, 10:51 PM
God...no wonder Safari Steve doesn't want to post much. You people are driving me crazy. I've lurked here and posted for years, but you are all "He said, she said." I've gotten to where I really don't enjoy reading these boards anymore. Everyone seems to get bashed if you halfway say something nice about Disney.

My take....I've worked for WDW for over 12 years. I prefer to see painting done by Disney (not contract painters) Cast Members at any time of day...as long as it gets done. As for painting the castle...how else do you think you would paint it without the crane??? And one that big is NOT easy to move in and out of the park every night. And by the way, I wouldn't want to be on that crane painting at night.

BTW, isn't this the "News and Rumors Board" and not the "Debate Board." If I wanted to read arguing, I'd go to that board.

OMG...I've started to sound nasty too. I need to leave these boards now.

Planogirl
09-10-2002, 12:47 AM
OMG...I've started to sound nasty too. I need to leave these boards now.

I think that some of us are just frustrated lately and don't intentionally try to sound nasty. :( Things are just changing so rapidly and I, for one, just want to stand in front of it all and yell "stop!" sometimes. I can't help but miss what I perceived the old days to be but I don't blame Disney for all of the changes.

I said that I hated the sight of the crane but I do understand that there's no way around it. As long as they promise not to paint the castle pink again, they can put up 10 cranes if they need to without any complaint from me! ;)

Panthius
09-10-2002, 08:16 PM
If Disney must paint during the day for whatever reason, why could they not MAKE it part of the show. Dress up the painters in the style of wherever they are painting. Also, if they are true castmembers and not contractors from some painting company, they can be trained to interact with the guests as they are doing their work. This may take a little bit longer, but this would keep the show for the most part and get critical work done during the day.

Panthius

Dznefreek
09-12-2002, 03:12 PM
Painting in broad daylight!?!?! I've got news for you,............they have been painting in broad daylight for years. You are just not there 24/7/365 to see what goes on all of the time.

Did you really think it was fairies, pixies or "Disney magic" and did it really detract that much from your overall experience.

This is no different from trash being emptied, tables being wiped, etc., during the day. It is all maintenance and upkeep.WDW have been repainting at night up until the 90s I saw day-time painting in the early 80's.

PKS44
09-12-2002, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Panthius
If Disney must paint during the day for whatever reason, why could they not MAKE it part of the show. Dress up the painters in the style of wherever they are painting. Also, if they are true castmembers and not contractors from some painting company, they can be trained to interact with the guests as they are doing their work. This may take a little bit longer, but this would keep the show for the most part and get critical work done during the day.

Panthius

I think you are on to something...I would still let professionals do the painting, but if you have to do it...have a "show" that goes along with it at times...maybe a "clumsy" CM who is dressed up like he is there as part of the crew but goofs up (in some innocuous but funny ways)--I bet this little bit of magic would really go over well with people...there are other ways to incorporate some entertainment into the setting -using the "repairs" as a backdrop set --seizing opportunity, turning lemons into lemonade, etc...

Paul

YoHo
09-12-2002, 05:24 PM
I saw day-time painting in the early 80's.

Then you saw something that most people swear they never saw do during that time.

YoHo
09-12-2002, 05:40 PM
:(

Jackie H.
09-13-2002, 12:21 PM
I didn't see the painters during the day while we were there Sept 2-8th. But we did, of course, see the crane. While I would've rather the crane not be there, it didn't upset me. We could really see a major difference between what was painted and what was not! Seeing that difference - bright beautiful new blues next to dull old blues really made it clear it was time to paint!

But this really jumped out at me. We could see the top of the Crystal Palace - what stuck out above the walls. It looked horrible! My goodness if everything has been allowed to get into such a state of disrepair it is shameful. I don't mean the paint, because most probably they had scraped off the old paint. I mean structural problems. It was fairly shocking to me. Things like broken wooden beams and rusted metal ones and I can't remember what all but it wasn't pretty.

I decided then if everything that was down for repairs needed it that bad, it was a small price to pay...and my family missed Haunted Mansion terribly. There were also a lost of things being reburbished in EPCOT: Malestrom, the towers at Italy and Canada...maybe more, can't remember right now.

Luv2Roam
09-13-2002, 12:37 PM
Well maybe then the parks will be all pristine for my upcoming visits! :teeth: ;)
the painters wouldn't bother me that much. I have seen it in January and wasn't surprised in off season. Next time I may ask for a Wet Paint sign. ;)
That's the least of my worries.

DVC-Landbaron
09-13-2002, 11:18 PM
Dznefreek
I've got news for you,............they have been painting in broad daylight for years. You are just not there 24/7/365 to see what goes on all of the time.I don’t doubt it. I agree. It is very sad that this type of thing goes on. And I also don’t doubt it’s been going on for some time now. I keep telling everyone that Ei$ner and Pre$$ler have been screwing around with the show for a long time now! Thanks for the back up!!

Did you really think it was fairies, pixies or "Disney magic" OH YES!!! EVERYONE DID!! that was the charm, enchantment and MAGIC of the SHOW!! That, in a nutshell, IS the Walt philosophy!! That’s the whole reason the Magic Kingdom is on the second floor!! Brilliant, isn’t it? All that mundane and everyday “messy-stuff” hidden from view. Away from the SHOW!! And not interfering with the guest experience!! What a concept!! OH!! How I wish it were still in place!!

I saw day-time painting in the early 80's.I think, as YoHo pointed out, you are mistaken!! Mid eighties, maybe. Late eighties, probably. Early eighties, NEVER!!!!

Tik Tok
09-14-2002, 12:01 AM
You know, painting the castle from a crane during the day is one thing, but I really can't see why they would have to paint poles on Main Street right next to the guests in the middle of the day? There's just really no excuse for it. That's just really very bad show, and I'm quite sure would not be difficult to do at night - just more expensive to pay the workers on the night shift. :mad:

TinkerbellRules
09-14-2002, 08:35 AM
Got a better one. While staying at POFQ last Oct (before they closed the resort), we opened our room door to find two CM's painting the ceiling above our door! We had to "excuse" ourselves to get out. We never understood why they were spot painting when they had to have known they were going to close the resort. Course, it already seemed closed at the time...

space42
09-14-2002, 08:45 AM
Whats next? Are they going to cut the grass in the Magic Kingdom during the day too? After all, I'm sure its cheaper.

Yes it is that big of a deal. These are the things that set Disney appart from other amusement parks.

This is Disney's reputation at stake here. I can remember hearing about the night time painting and landscaping sometime back in the 70's. (You'll never see a painter or someone cutting the grass at the Magic Kingdom.. they do all of that at night, out of view of guests. That way, the park always looks brand new but yet you never see anyone doing the upkeep) Its all part of the Magic! Oh well... chip chip chip

At least they are painting though.

Luv2Roam
09-14-2002, 10:22 AM
TinkerbellRules - :eek: Seems like they were just WAITING for you to leave -- rushing you out the door even. But after staying at it's sister resort, I'm not surprised.
The last week of May we always saw grounds crew maintaining the gardens in Epcot. The F&G show was just wrapping up. But I did think that odd they were doing it during the day.
This wasn't a major disappointment by all means. But did make you feel like you were intrudung in their area, not to mention not taking pics while a gardener is pulling weeds. ;)
I recall when I saw it repeatedly that I felt like I was strolling through an outdoor mall. So it does take away *the magic* of the beauty.

Panthius
09-14-2002, 10:28 AM
At least if they are painting they could stroll on over to Tomorrowland and have at it there. In my opinion, from the last time I was visiting WDW, Tomorrowland needed the most maintenance. I figure, if they are gonna do it during the day, at least do it where they need it the most. I also still think they could at least try to make the painting part of the show if they need to paint during the day as well, but that seems way too creative and bothersome for those in charge these days at Disney.



Pan

Dznefreek
09-15-2002, 02:53 PM
I think, as YoHo pointed out, you are mistaken!!No, it was September of 1982 to be exact. They were painting the posts on Main Street. I remember it because this was my first visit and I though it rather odd seeing this after all I had heard.

Again I say if you are not there 24/7/365 how do you know what goes on when you are not there.