beginners, where to start

[RadioNate]

I'm about to get my 1st paycheck and I think I'm gonna blow it all on a dSLR.

I've been a SAHM for years so the money is just extra to 'play' with.

Money *is* an object as I don't want to go completely crazy.

I currently have an S2IS that I will most likely keep and I'll probablly buy a ultra compact p&s to throw in my purse.

I LOVE the 12x zoom on the S2IS and I don't think I'll be happy with the reach of the 18-55 kit lens. The Nikon 18-200VR sounds really appealing to me but I hate the price, lol.

The S2IS starts at 36mm and I've only once wished for something wider.

I am not happy with my S2IS shots and I'm not sure if upgrading my equipment will help.

I'm not locked into a brand. Nikon is appealing to me because of the view finder lines. I have a real hard time keeping my horizon straight. Truthfully, I don't know if that is something Canon offers. I was sold on the XT but now I don't know.

I'm trying not to get caught up on Mega pixles but I would like the ability to make clean poster size enlargements (20x30).

[Jeanne B]

As a beginner, I just received my dream dSLR camera Saturday...Pentax K100D with 18-55 mm lens kit. I'll probably be adding the DA50-200 lens in a few weeks. I might want to upgrade to the K10D down the road but for now the K100 is perfect for me.

I have the S3, thought I would hang on to it but now that I have my dSLR I'm thinking I might sell it and I would still have our A620 as my p&s backup. I'd rather put the extra $$ towards more zoom for my Pentax although I like the video capabilities of my S3 (but I already have a camcorder so it's really not a necessesity, more of a convenience when I don't have the camcorder with me).

[JR6ooo4]

Nikon can Canon can be so close in qualities that the choice may come down to which has lines in the viewfinder. I think you can change them in the canon. My horizons are always off as well. Maybe I will look into that.

My package
rebel xt
50mm 1.8
28-135 IS
70-300 IS
3 batts
3 cards totaling 5 gigs


Mikeeee

[Master Mason]

I have

Rebel xt
Cannon 50mm f1.8
Cannon 70-300mm
Cannon 18-55 (kit lens)
Sigma 18-125 (my standard walk around lens)
2 gb of memory (which has served my needs but I need to get more)

Mini Tripod
Regular tripod
Monopod
Mini Trekker AW bag to carry it in.

Things I would still really like to get, but don't really need

external flash
Good low f value zoom lens for the kids sports

This does everything I currently need or want. I would lolve to have the 30D but for more than double the cost I just couldn't justify it at this time.... Perhaps when I am ready to upgrade, they will be several models down the line.

In looking at them objectively. I think that Canon, Nikon, and Pentax all make really good cameras. I think the first two have more of a reputation. I know nothing of the other players in the market, so I can't make comments, but have owned and used film versions of all 3 brands.

I choose canon over the others for various reasons, must of them were personal preference rather than features or funtionality.

Figure out what you want and need, then go to a good camera store and play with them.... see which one you like better, and which feels good to you. Holding the thing as much as you will, having one that fits well in your hands will make a big difference.

[handicap18]

Although not my "Dream" kit, it is what I have and then what I would like.
Currently have:
Nikon D50, Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 ED IF AF-S DX, Quantaray 70-300mm f/4-5.6 AF, Nikkon 50mm f/1.8D AF, Nikon SB-600 Speedlight flash and also remote shutter release.

I would definatly go with the D50 again. Great camera and great high ISO performance. When I got it I really didn't know much about the ISO performances, it ended up being a bonus. Price wise it fit my budget. For lenses, the 18-70mm is a very good lens, gives a bit more reach than the 18-55mm kit lens. Now, however, the new Nikon D80 has an 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 ED IF AF-S DX lens as a kit. It will be available shortly for seperate purchase and is about the same price as the 18-70. Thus far, reports on the D80 at the Nikon board I frequent are very positive. The 50mm f/1.8 is almost a must for any Nikon or Canon user. Price wise you can't beat it (about $100 for the Nikon, a little less for the Canon). Its very sharp and performs great in low light situations. On the telephoto side, a 70-300mm is a good lens to have. Some are better than others. I've had my Quantaray for about 8 years. Its led its course and I've gone an pre-ordered the new Nikon 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 ED IF VR AF-S. For a lens with VR the price is very good at a little more than $500. My dream would be the 70-200mm f/2.8 ED IF VR AF-S, but that is a $1700 lens. My plan is to go with the 70-300 with VR then down the road add the 80-200mm f/2.8D ED AF. This will give me 2 lenses (the fast lens and a VR lens) for the same price as the 70-200 with VR.

The SB-600 is a great flash. I love using it. So much more powerful and versitile then the pop-up (which is adaquate).

Other dream lenses are $1000+ or there abouts, 17-55 f/2.8, 80-400 with VR, 105mm f/2.8 Macro, 200-400 f/4 with VR. But then again, these really wouldn't be part of a beginner package. So I digress.

Anyway, I think my dream startup package would be the D50 or D80 (depending on budget), 18-135mm, 70-300mm with VR, 50mm f/1.8 and the SB-600 (if possible to start, if not, would be next to be purchased). With the D50 and the 3 lenses, price would be around $1600 (less if you can get the 18-135 on ebay from someone who didn't want it as part of their D80 package or referbished like I did with my 18-70 I got for $230, over $100 less than retail). Adding the D80 instead of the D50 would be about $400 more. You also don't have to go with the 70-300mm lens right away. The 18-135 (a 7.5x zoom) would be great by itself for quite a while. Good wide angle and good reach.

ok I've ramble enough.

Good luck.

[ndelaware]

I think either a Nikon D50 or a Canon Rebel XTi would be what I would recommend. The lens would depend on what type of images you plan to take. You may hate the price of the Nikon 18-200VR but with lenses, you do get what you pay for. Cheaper lenses, especially longer zoom types are typically not very good. Many here like the Sigma 18-125 for either Nikon or Canon.

My "dream" DSLR is a Canon 5D with all "L" glass lenses, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. :rotfl2:

[fitzperry]

I have a D70, and those grid lines are a nice feature, though I sometimes forget to use them. I started out with the 18-70 kit lens and shortly thereafter added a 55-200. I'd like to have the new 70-300VR, but it's not currently in the budget. I probably will add a 50mm prime in the near future. I'd also like to have an external flash, but I prefer natural light, so it hasn't seemed worth the expense to me. I just avoid situations that require a flash. :teeth: And I'm hoping the 50mm f/1.8 will assist in that regard.

When I bought my D70 (almost 2 years ago), I got a great deal that made it about the same price as the Rebel that was out then, and the Nikon had a sturdier body, better kit lens, better flash and some features like spot metering that the Canon didn't have.

Nikon also has a cool wireless remote shutter release that costs less than $20. I'm not sure about the Canon.

Good luck with your decision! I think if you find a good deal on the body (whether it's Canon, Nikon, etc.) and get the best lenses you can afford, you won't go wrong.

[ndelaware]

Canon has the wireless remote for about the same money. The Rebel can also use a wired remote for extra long exposures or any other time you want to minimize camera shake.

[0bli0]

if i were buying a kit for my kids or suggesting to my friends, i'd highly recommend the Canon Rebel XTi (or 400D, depending on where you're from). i'm personally not a big fan of the 'kit lens' (the 18-55 efs). if you can, get the camera with a decent all-around lens, like the Sigma 18-125 (or better yet - Canon 17-85 IS).

i also recommend getting the 50mm 1.8 prime lens. it's one that will let you take great portraits and shots in low light without flash.

lastly, i recommend getting at least one more battery.

if you're interested in going down the Nikon path, i'd recommend the D80 - also with the sigma 18-125 or one of the better Nikkor walk-around ranges

[YEKCIM]

FYI, I don't believe the D50 has the VF grid; the D70s does, however. I'm agonizing over dslr purchase, too, and very much like what I read about the D50, but would miss the grid, which my little Fuji S5000 does have.

~YEKCIM

[safetymom]

I would look at the Nikon D70s with the VR 18-200 lens. The lens comes on the D200 and it is a wonderful lens.

[Groucho]

The Pentax K100D is the only "affordable" one to offer image stabilization in the camera. The Sony has it as well but for a chunk more money. This can be a decisive feature and many people find it very effective and that it can give you 2-3 stops.

I think the focus screen has at least horizontal lines - I can't seem to come up with a quick review that has a picture of it, and my DL isn't handy to check that but I'm pretty sure that it has those at least. :) You can also change the focus screen if you prefer a different style.

6mp is IMHO plenty for decently-large prints and often image quality suffers as the mp goes up. I wouldn't think of that as being a handicap with any of the 6mp cameras. (Nikon, Pentax, etc.)

Also, next month, Pentax will be releasing the K10D, which will have 10mp and a ton of other features (some unavailable on other DSLRs) but will not be considered a "beginner" DSLR but a bit more advanced.

Obviously I think the K100D is the best choice at the moment, but they're all very nice and I'm sure you'll be very happy no matter which you end up with. You really can't make a bad choice.

[ksloane]

I've gone through enough of these threads now to know that I need an education when it comes to digital cameras. :rotfl: I've always been a point and shoot type person.

Here's the problem. My daughter is now involved in sports and dance/twirling. I find that just pointing and shooting doesn't work well in low lighting or when there's movement with my Sony DSC-T33. :confused3

Now I readily accept that all of the terminology used on this board is another language to me...I even read my manual and it's too much for me so in addition to wanting a camera recommendation (or if this one should be sufficient some quick how-tos), I'm also asking for some suggested readings for a COMPLETELY ILLITERATE camera person.

Again, my top priorities are softball pics and dance/twirling pics (oh and a trip to Disney in December :rolleyes1 ).

Thanks ahead of time for all the help you can give this photo newbie.

[seashoreCM]

The problem is not your expertise. The problem is that just about any point and shoot camera does not have the capability of taking the pictures you describe.

Not only do you need manual settings for lens openings and shutter speeds but you need big lens openings (like f/1.4) and fast shutter speeds. For digital cameras, this pretty much limits you to the DSLR (digital single lens reflex) cameras.

For sports, 1/250'th second shutter speed is marginal, 1/500'th will cover many situations, and 1/1000'th is needed for some situations. Once you have a shutter speed in mind, there are formulas in just about any photography book to help you set the lens and the ISO. You can often get away with letting the entire picture a just a little darker than it should be to get the shutter speed you want within the lens and ISO limits of the camera.

The closest thing in a point-and-shoot that you can get for your needs is one with a high ISO setting (like 1600). Choose a camera with at least some manual selections notably settings intended for fast motion. There is a disadvantage; the pictures taken when you select high ISO tend to be grainy or coarse (applies to film cameras also). DSLR's tend to give better pictures for a given ISO. That has something to do with the size of the sensor which plays the role of the film and which if larger means the camera itself is larger and its lens is more expensive.

Digital camera hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/digicam.htm

[tinksdad]

The fact that you WANT to learn more is admirable!! That alone will take you miles down the road to learning this vast subject we call photography!

Bryan Peterson has written some good books and are highly recommended. Check out this link for several options that might serve your needs. (http://www.ppsop.com/site/bookstore.html)

Another good one is The BetterPhoto Guide to Digital Photography by Jim Miotke (http://www.amazon.com/Betterphoto-Guide-Digital-Photography-Amphoto/dp/0817435522/ref=sr_1_14/102-7111167-5798534?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178370192&sr=8-14)

[ksloane]

Thanks for the help. I'm glad to know that at least part of the problem is my camera (in addition to my lack of knowledge). :)

I'm ready to buy another camera (or at least will be ready after I know what to buy). Anyone want to make some recommendations? I'm thinking I want to spend no more than about $600. Please feel free though to let me know if there's a cheaper alternative to suit my needs or if I need to bite the bullet and spend more. I've been looking at Fuji's and I have a friend with a Nikon D40 that he recommends, but doesn't really know much more than I do...just that he likes his camera. :confused3

Please anyone...suggestions? Thanks ahead of time.


The problem is not your expertise. The problem is that just about any point and shoot camera does not have the capability of taking the pictures you describe.

Not only do you need manual settings for lens openings and shutter speeds but you need big lens openings (like f/1.4) and fast shutter speeds. For digital cameras, this pretty much limits you to the DSLR (digital single lens reflex) cameras.

For sports, 1/250'th second shutter speed is marginal, 1/500'th will cover many situations, and 1/1000'th is needed for some situations. Once you have a shutter speed in mind, there are formulas in just about any photography book to help you set the lens and the ISO. You can often get away with letting the entire picture a just a little darker than it should be to get the shutter speed you want within the lens and ISO limits of the camera.

The closest thing in a point-and-shoot that you can get for your needs is one with a high ISO setting (like 1600). Choose a camera with at least some manual selections notably settings intended for fast motion. There is a disadvantage; the pictures taken when you select high ISO tend to be grainy or coarse (applies to film cameras also). DSLR's tend to give better pictures for a given ISO. That has something to do with the size of the sensor which plays the role of the film and which if larger means the camera itself is larger and its lens is more expensive.

Digital camera hints: http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/digicam.htm

[ksloane]

The fact that you WANT to learn more is admirable!! That alone will take you miles down the road to learning this vast subject we call photography!

Bryan Peterson has written some good books and are highly recommended. Check out this link for several options that might serve your needs. (http://www.ppsop.com/site/bookstore.html)

Another good one is The BetterPhoto Guide to Digital Photography by Jim Miotke (http://www.amazon.com/Betterphoto-Guide-Digital-Photography-Amphoto/dp/0817435522/ref=sr_1_14/102-7111167-5798534?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178370192&sr=8-14)

Thanks...I've bookmarked each site and as soon as I buy a camera I'm going to order a few books too....that will be my summer project to buy and learn to use a camera. :)

[YEKCIM]

My daughter's "twirl stick" (baton) recital was this past weekend, so I can speak to your issue with some degree of experience. I used my Nikon D50 dSLR and 50mm lens for pictures of the recital, from about 1/3 of the way back in the auditorium. I had thought briefly about using the 70-300VR, to get close, but in the end, decided on the 50mm to stop action. I was fearful that the 70-300 would deliver only blurred images, due to subject movement. As it was, at ISO 800, I was able to use shutter speeds in the 1/200-1/300 sec range, with the lens pretty much wide open, resulting in pretty decent shots. The downside is that for closeups, I was pretty much out of luck. I did some severe cropping on several, as an alternative and I think 4X6's would be about the limit as far as prints are concerned.

Having said all that, if one of your requirements is to capture baton performances, a dSLR is probably about your only viable option. Ideally, if you had a dSLR and a fast prime (200mm+, f/2.8), you could probably snag some pretty good shots; the downside is that fast prime telephoto lenses cost a wheelbarrow full of cash.

For softball, you would not need a fast lens (fast referring to the ability to work well in low lighting conditions), but a zoom in the telephoto range would be very helpful. In fact, a bridge or superzoom would probably do fine in that environment, but would be virtually useless for the baton shots.

At Disney, there are times that you need a tele zoom *and* good low light capability (indoor stage shows, fireworks, night shots, etc) so again, a dSLR is the only really good option.

As Groucho is sure to point out shortly, Pentax has some very capable dSLR cameras for little, if any, more $$$ than a high end PnS. The downside is that, in order to cover the zoom range, you need either a fairly expensive superzoom or two or three separate lenses to cover the full range. Either way, you're looking at major bucks, compared to a PnS, or even the dSLR body and kit lens.

If a dSLR is completely out of the question, I suggest you consider a Fujifilm "superzoom" like the S6000fd or S9100; Fuji cameras have larger sensors than most PnS digicams and deliver better low light performance, although still not nearly equaling a dSLR.

Hope that has not confused you. It's all a learning process. Hopefully you have the luxury of a little time to evaluate the different options within the context of your budget, and get the best camera for your needs.

~YEKCIM

[ukcatfan]

Thanks for the help. I'm glad to know that at least part of the problem is my camera (in addition to my lack of knowledge). :)

I'm ready to buy another camera (or at least will be ready after I know what to buy). Anyone want to make some recommendations? I'm thinking I want to spend no more than about $600. Please feel free though to let me know if there's a cheaper alternative to suit my needs or if I need to bite the bullet and spend more. I've been looking at Fuji's and I have a friend with a Nikon D40 that he recommends, but doesn't really know much more than I do...just that he likes his camera. :confused3

Please anyone...suggestions? Thanks ahead of time.

The D40 is likely not the best camera for your needs due to one main lack of feature. It does not have a focus motor in the body. It then needs to use a lens with a focus motor. Many Nikon lenses have one, but the one lens that you need does not. It is the 50mm f/1.8 prime. You would have to manual focus, which would not be ideal for action. The D50 would work, but they are very hard to come by now as they were discontinued a few months ago. You might find a Rebel XT with kit lens and get the ~$100 50mm f/1.8 and keep it under $600 total, but it might be closer to $700. The Pentax K100D with kit lens and their 50mm will put you closer to $700, but you get a better kit lens and a better 50mm out of it.

Kevin

[ksloane]

My daughter's "twirl stick" (baton) recital was this past weekend, so I can speak to your issue with some degree of experience. I used my Nikon D50 dSLR and 50mm lens for pictures of the recital, from about 1/3 of the way back in the auditorium. I had thought briefly about using the 70-300VR, to get close, but in the end, decided on the 50mm to stop action. I was fearful that the 70-300 would deliver only blurred images, due to subject movement. As it was, at ISO 800, I was able to use shutter speeds in the 1/200-1/300 sec range, with the lens pretty much wide open, resulting in pretty decent shots. The downside is that for closeups, I was pretty much out of luck. I did some severe cropping on several, as an alternative and I think 4X6's would be about the limit as far as prints are concerned.

Having said all that, if one of your requirements is to capture baton performances, a dSLR is probably about your only viable option. Ideally, if you had a dSLR and a fast prime (200mm+, f/2.8), you could probably snag some pretty good shots; the downside is that fast prime telephoto lenses cost a wheelbarrow full of cash.

For softball, you would not need a fast lens (fast referring to the ability to work well in low lighting conditions), but a zoom in the telephoto range would be very helpful. In fact, a bridge or superzoom would probably do fine in that environment, but would be virtually useless for the baton shots.

At Disney, there are times that you need a tele zoom *and* good low light capability (indoor stage shows, fireworks, night shots, etc) so again, a dSLR is the only really good option.

As Groucho is sure to point out shortly, Pentax has some very capable dSLR cameras for little, if any, more $$$ than a high end PnS. The downside is that, in order to cover the zoom range, you need either a fairly expensive superzoom or two or three separate lenses to cover the full range. Either way, you're looking at major bucks, compared to a PnS, or even the dSLR body and kit lens.

If a dSLR is completely out of the question, I suggest you consider a Fujifilm "superzoom" like the S6000fd or S9100; Fuji cameras have larger sensors than most PnS digicams and deliver better low light performance, although still not nearly equaling a dSLR.

Hope that has not confused you. It's all a learning process. Hopefully you have the luxury of a little time to evaluate the different options within the context of your budget, and get the best camera for your needs.

~YEKCIM

Thanks so much for the experienced answers....I am somewhat confused :rotfl: but am pulling up these responses as I look at different cameras and then it makes somewhat more sense. :)

the S6000fd is one of the camera's on my list of possibilities so good to hear that it is worth looking at more. I'm not in a rush at all as I don't NEED the camera. Mine functions...just not as good as I'd like so I have plenty of time to make a decision.

[photo_chick]

My sister regualrly shoots her DD in cheer competitions. They use the same camera I do, a Rebel XT (any of the DSLR's with the right lens will get your job done IMO) but she dropped another $800 (used) on a fast telephoto lens. Something I have not done, though with my DD getting into dance I might. Like someone said above, you can get great shots with a much cheaper lens, but know if you want to be able to zoom in really close you wil have to invest in another lens.

[ksloane]

The D40 is likely not the best camera for your needs due to one main lack of feature. It does not have a focus motor in the body. It then needs to use a lens with a focus motor. Many Nikon lenses have one, but the one lens that you need does not. It is the 50mm f/1.8 prime. You would have to manual focus, which would not be ideal for action. The D50 would work, but they are very hard to come by now as they were discontinued a few months ago. You might find a Rebel XT with kit lens and get the ~$100 50mm f/1.8 and keep it under $600 total, but it might be closer to $700. The Pentax K100D with kit lens and their 50mm will put you closer to $700, but you get a better kit lens and a better 50mm out of it.

Kevin

Thanks so much for your suggestions. I'm going to add them to my list and go look now. A guy I work with had also mentioned the Rebel. I'm not opposed to spending $700. I look at it as a long term investment as my daughter is only 6 and we have MANY more years of athletics and twirling and dance (and who knows what else) and LOTS of trips to Disney. :rolleyes1

[ksloane]

My sister regualrly shoots her DD in cheer competitions. They use the same camera I do, a Rebel XT (any of the DSLR's with the right lens will get your job done IMO) but she dropped another $800 (used) on a fast telephoto lens. Something I have not done, though with my DD getting into dance I might. Like someone said above, you can get great shots with a much cheaper lens, but know if you want to be able to zoom in really close you wil have to invest in another lens.

Thanks. With this being the third time this one's been mentioned I'm printing some info and taking it home to really look into this one....Don't think I'm anywhere near buying an $800 lens yet :rotfl: Maybe one day I'll feel bright enough to do that.. lol, and we are in a small town and so ball and dance performances are not from that far away....when video taping I don't zoom at all for dance and very little at ball games...

[ksloane]

I've always bought from major chains where I can walk in the store and pick out what I want when it comes to technology (and thus take it back if not happy), but wanted to ask if anyone has an opinion about: http://www.bestpricecameras.com

Seems they have the cheapest price I'm seeing for almost all of the cameras I've been looking into.

[YEKCIM]

FWIW, here are some sample photos from the S6000fd, from the Steve's Digicams review: http://www.steves-digicams.com/2007_reviews/fuji_s6000fd_samples.html

The noise is not bad, but ISO 1600 is about the usable limit, IMO. Fuji apparently uses some pretty aggressive noise reduction which, while it does keep the noise down, destroys a good bit of image detail, especially at 3200. That's the downside of the smaller sensor.

If the XT with the kit lens would suit your needs, that might be a good option, but you still would be limited by the relatively slow maximum aperture of the kit lens. Slow/Fast in lens parlance refers to the ability to gather light and transmit it to the sensor; therefore, a "slow" lens transmits less light, and a "fast" lens transmits more light, allowing faster shutter speeds, when necessary.

Another option, from the Nikon camp, would be a D50 body and the 18-135mm zoom lens. I have that lens and it is WAY sharp, as well as having a pretty decent zoom range, from wide angle to decent telephoto. It will be my primary WDW lens.

Sigma4Less.com has a refurbed D50 body for $440, at present, and the 18-135 is available from them for $285, so you'd be a little over your $700 budget with that combination.

Personally, with your stated objectives and budget, I'd give real strong consideration to the Pentax K100D @ around $500 with kit lens. I think there are some rebates available, too, but don't know the details. Had Mrs. YEKCIM not (almost) insisted that I buy Nikon, I would probably have ended up with the K100D. That said, I'm happy with my D50 and the 18-135. That range on a kit lens is not an option from any other dSLR maker, afaik.

~YEKCIM

[photo_chick]

I would say with which ever DSLR you get alsolook at a nice fast lens like the 50mm f/1.8 to add as well. If not when you purchase the camera, in the near future. They are not too expensive (mine was $65) and really let a lot of light in, like YEKCIM said, it will help you stop action in the low light situations. It will also be a great lens for indoor family events like birthday parties and holidays. IF you are able to get close when you shoot the 50mm might be just the ticket for you!

I am stuck in a large auditrium for DD's dance and we are not allowed to come up to the stage to shoot. So I really envy you beign able to get closer!

On the camera, I love my Rebel XT.... but if I were shopping now I would also look at the Pentax DSLR's. In the end you gotta find what fits you.

[handicap18]

I'll pretty much reitterate what the others have said. Your best bet would be the dSLR. It will give you the option of adding additional lenses that fit the subject your shooting along with giving you a better shutter lag (time from when you press the shutter release to when the camera takes the picture). With a dSLR it is pretty much instant.

Options for entry level dSLR's are the Pentax K100D, Rebel XT or XTi (the XT can be found less expensive), Nikon D50 (discontinued but still can be found either used, refurbished or even New in some places). The kit lens with any of them will do well though it doesn't have a wide range. There are upgrades available like Nikon's 18-70 or 18-135mm (the 18-200mm is great but priced well over $700), Canon's 17-85mm (I believe it is, but doesn't really get great reviews), Sigma had a very nice 18-125mm that has a mount for all 3 makers, but that is discontinued, you might be able to find some though. They are coming out very soon with a New 18-200mm that has OS (optical stabilization), but will be priced around $500.

In addition, you'll want one of the makers 50mm f/1.8 or f/1.4 (Pentax' version), they are great optically and inexpensive ranging from $80 - $200 depeding on the company you go with. There are also 85mm f/1.8's available from each company, though those run over $300.

For your softball/outdoor pics, you can go with a 70-300mm. Nikon and Canon make their own, or go with a Sigma or Tamron version which are less expensive. Some can be found for a little more than or right around $200.

You are correct about this being an investment, not necessarily in the equipment, but in gathering your families moments. If your serious about learning then you've come to the right place. There is lots to learn, but its not impossible. If you take the right attitude it can be lots of fun and very rewarding. You don't have to go the dSLR route. There are very good PnS camera's out there, however I don't know what kind of results you'll get with even the best one's for any indoor events.

Either way you go, this is a great place for support. You'll certainly get a lot of great help hanging around here.

Good luck with your search.

[ukcatfan]

I've always bought from major chains where I can walk in the store and pick out what I want when it comes to technology (and thus take it back if not happy), but wanted to ask if anyone has an opinion about: http://www.bestpricecameras.com

Seems they have the cheapest price I'm seeing for almost all of the cameras I've been looking into.

From http://www.resellerratings.com, it looks like they are a scam joint. Look at Buydig, Beach Camera, B&H, and Adorama.

Kevin

[YEKCIM]

From http://www.resellerratings.com, it looks like they are a scam joint. Look at Buydig, Beach Camera, B&H, and Adorama.

Kevin

Yeah, well known scammers; run away...run FAR away from these guys. The places Kevin lists are a safe bet, B&H in particular. If you are not going to buy local, pick one from his list (above).

~YEKCIM

[ksloane]

From http://www.resellerratings.com, it looks like they are a scam joint. Look at Buydig, Beach Camera, B&H, and Adorama.

Kevin

I figured as much....too much of a difference in prices. Thanks for the verification.

[Groucho]

There are also 85mm f/1.8's available from each company, though those run over $300.
I actually spent some time today drooling over the Pentax 85mm F1.8 and F1.4 lenses... but those are way over $300 if you even can find any! Sounds like they're worth it though...

For retailers, I had a very good experience buying from Beach Camera (great price and very quick shipping, same-day on July 3rd).

In terms of PnS cameras, lots are now advertising high ISO levels, but just because they can do them doesn't make them worthwhile. The new Olympus PnS goes to ISO 5000 but the quality is so bad that it's completely useless. Most PnSs can't go much past ISO 200 and maybe ISO 400 before starting to show serious level of noise. Some with larger sensors do better, and Fuji is the only company that consistently puts in larger sensors than anyone else, plus puts some unique features into the sensors to improve their performance. The only downside is that they don't have any cameras with IS and only the newest ones take SD cards.

[ksloane]

Just wanted to take another opportunity to say thanks to everyone for all your wonderful help! (and I know continued help)....:love:

I am tentatively deciding to go with the Pentax K100D....not buying for at least another week though (I want to make myself do as much research and thought as I can stand before purchasing :rotfl: ).

By looking at the dealers ya'll recommended, I am thinking that I am probably going to buy it as a "kit?" with the 18-55 and then buy one additional lens (I'm guessing either the 50-200 or 50mm f/1.4 based on my readings so far). I'm setting aside reading that portion of the posts and researching for tomorrow....I think my brain is fried for the day. :eek:

If anyone has a recommendation for which one I should buy first please let me know...it may already be in here as I've kind of grazed over that part of the information as of yet :rolleyes1 as I could only deal with one thing at a time...

Thanks again and I'll probably be back tommorrow with more questions!

[Groucho]

Just wanted to take another opportunity to say thanks to everyone for all your wonderful help! (and I know continued help)....:love:

I am tentatively deciding to go with the Pentax K100D....not buying for at least another week though (I want to make myself do as much research and thought as I can stand before purchasing :rotfl: ).

By looking at the dealers ya'll recommended, I am thinking that I am probably going to buy it as a "kit?" with the 18-55 and then buy one additional lens (I'm guessing either the 50-200 or 50mm f/1.4 based on my readings so far). I'm setting aside reading that portion of the posts and researching for tomorrow....I think my brain is fried for the day. :eek:
I know that feeling...

Well, the 50mm F1.4 is really a terrific lens for Disney (used mine more than any other lens last trip), however you get an extra $50 in rebate money if you buy the camera and the 50-200mm at the same time. You're definitely going to want more zoom than you get with the kit lens sooner or later, and it's a very nice companion lens, especially for the price - I think your total will be about $575 for both after rebate.

[DisTeacher07]

Hey guys!
Quick question-- I've been looking into getting a digital camera for awhile. I just want something simple to take family photos, etc.

I know the basics... more megapixels, better pictures. A friend said not to get Olympus because it's a good camera, but camera cards are too expensive. Another friend swears by Nikon. I'm only looking to spend up to $150 and a Nikon fits right into the price range, but how much is a camera card going to run me? And, what do I do size wise?

I'm completely oblivious to anything related to this so ANY advice you could offer would be wonderful! TIA

[YEKCIM]

Take a look at this thread (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1636201); lots of good info here. Also, don't buy into the "more megapixels is better" mentality. There are other things to consider, as well, and 5-6MP is plenty, if all you are doing is making 4X6's, 5X7's, and 8X10's or uploading to a photo hosting site like smugmug or photobucket.

~YEKCIM

[DisTeacher07]

I'm looking at a Nikon Coolpix 7.1mp digital camera. My sister is pressuring me to just get it already! Should I? Is it any good?

Also, I can get a memory card for a really good price. It's 2GB... how many pictures does that hold?

THANKS!

[YEKCIM]

Try reading some reviews:

www.dpreview.com
www.steves-digicams.com
www.dcresource.com
www.imaging-resource.com

~Ed

[DisTeacher07]

Thank you Ed! You've been SO helpful through all of this. I really appreciate it :goodvibes

[disneydreamin247]

I have been into photography for a while, but never owned an SLR or dSLR. I would like to be able to take better pictures than my PnS will allow. My question is, what would you recommend as a good camera for a beginner? My photos will typically be of my my family, or on vacation. I was looking at a Rebel xti or a Nikon D40X

[fan1080]

I suspect you will get alot of different suggestions, from people who have, and like, the gear they have.

I have a D40. Other than the autofocus motor issue, I love it. Why are you considering the D40X over the D40? If it's because of MP, don't bother, not worth the extra cash and some say it even hampers photo quality, go with the D40.

I can't comment on the canon.

I will add this though. I've had the D40 for almost a year now. I really like it but I find myself wanting easier access to some features (ease of changing ISO, autofocus modes, metering modes, etc). I can change all those settings, but it's not as easy to access as it is on the higher level models. That shouldn't be a show stopper for you though, but something to keep in mind.

[rtphokie]

I have been into photography for a while, but never owned an SLR or dSLR. I would like to be able to take better pictures than my PnS will allow. My question is, what would you recommend as a good camera for a beginner? My photos will typically be of my my family, or on vacation. I was looking at a Rebel xti or a Nikon D40X

I'd check ebay or your local photo shops for used gear. There will probably be some Rebel XT or XTi's available for a better price. Either from those who are anticipating the new Rebel XT series model or from unwanted Christmas presents.

[mabas9395]

Even though I have a canon XT, I have to honestly say that most entry level dSLR will serve your needs. There really aren't that many "bad cameras" out there. If you had plans of becoming a serious hobbyist or semi-pro, that would be a different story. In that case, there might be specific cameras that would meet your needs better.

The two things I would suggest is going into an actual camera shop and hold a few cameras in your hands. They feel much bigger than PnS cameras so getting one that feels right to you is important. The other thing is to think about is how important is image stabilization to you? That is probably the biggest difference between entry level dSLR's. Some have IS built into the camera and others have it built into the lenses. Most lenses that come with the camera will not have IS, so if you want/need it, you have to get a different lens if you don't have IS built into the body.

And last but not least, be prepared to either start spending some money or join a support group. Only a few people have the will power to resist the urge to start buying accessories. A lot of people start with a new bag, more memory cards and extra batteries. Then you move up to a new low light prime lens, and a longer zoom lens. Then you need an add on flash and a bigger bag to hold all your stuff. Then you get so many photos on your hard drive that you need some better software to manage/edit your pictures. Then you want to try some new things and you decide you need a tripod and remote shutter release. Then you learn about RAW and need some more memory cards for the larger file size. Then you want a better/faster walk-around lens and maybe some polarizer filters. But wide angle looks fun so you need either an ultra wide angle or fish eye lens. Then you need not a second, but a third hard drive for storing your photos, and a new DVD burner because you wore out your old one. You have also some how accumulated a battery grip, monopod, sensor cleaner and portrait prime. You then make a deal with your wife that she can get the new living room furniture if you can have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L. You keep thinking about some big strobes (those alien bee's are very tempting) but you manage to control yourself and not actually buy it, just put it on your wish list. Then you sell your soul to your photography hobby and finally get a photographer's vest. After that, who are you really fooling? You're addicted.

***Any resemblance to any person either living or dead in the above autobiographical narrative is purely coincidental.

[Forevryoung]

I'm a beginner. I purchased the Pentax K110 and absolutely LOVE it. I've had it for almost a year now and have not regretted my decision once. The camera is easy to use- it's simple to change settings and it's just as easy to use as a point and shoot (although a bit larger!)

My dbf has the D40 and I like it but I like the feel of the Pentax better (although I'll borrow his camera any day :rotfl: ).

Definitely go and hold cameras. Make sure that they have batteries in them (my pentax takes 4 AA batteries which adds to the weight). Make sure the grip is comfortable. I can't stand my dad's camera which I believe is a Rebel because of my funky grip on it. It's definitely a personal preference.

[scottie]

My dbf has the D40 and I like it but I like the feel of the Pentax better (although I'll borrow his camera any day :rotfl: ).

Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!

[disneydreamin247]

I am the kind of person that could go back and forth FOREVER and never make a final decision. I have now turned my eye towards a Sony A100 or A200. This is only my first camera so I don't need anything extravagant. And I know as soon as I buy one I will be saving up for a new one lol. I'm a slave to electronic devices :sad2:

[ryley26]

I'm trying to decide between the D40 and D40x for an amatuer is the extra pixels worth the cost. Also Fan1080 what problems do you have with the autofocus. Is this a major problem with the camera. I thought the autofocus was in the lenese on the D40.

[ukcatfan]

I'm trying to decide between the D40 and D40x for an amatuer is the extra pixels worth the cost. Also Fan1080 what problems do you have with the autofocus. Is this a major problem with the camera. I thought the autofocus was in the lenese on the D40.

There are not problems with the AF in that camera. It is just that many lenses still rely on the motor in the body, which is not there on the D40, D40x, or D60. There are plenty of lenses that have the AF in-lens, but the big hang up for many is no cheap wide aperture prime. There is a third party ~30mm f/1.8 I believe, but if I remember correctly, it is something like 3-4x $$$ than the popular 50mm f/1.8 by Nikon that will not AF.

Kevin

[ukcatfan]

Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!

This comparison is a little tricky right now. The comparable Pentax to the D40 is long gone. They pretty much sold out about a month ago and now the new version (K200D) is starting to show up. The thing is that the new Pentax is still full list price, but that should not last long.

As for a comparison between the D40 and Pentax K100D, I say the K100D wins simply b/c of the no focus motor issue and the in-body IS on it. Otherwise, they are very comparable feature wise. For size, the D40 is smaller and I personally do not like that small feel. BTW, I do not have large hands.

Kevin

[ukcatfan]

This comparison is a little tricky right now. The comparable Pentax to the D40 is long gone.

I correct myself. The K100D/K100D Super are still available, but pretty much at full list price places like Ritz. Walmart has a decent deal on it, but not near what they were going for during the holiday season.

[disneydreamin247]

So tonight for my birthday my mom gave me a Pentax K100D! :cool1:


I'm pretty excited to use it.

[ukcatfan]

So tonight for my birthday my mom gave me a Pentax K100D! :cool1:


I'm pretty excited to use it.

Happy Birthday!

Do you know what the best DSLR is... the one you do not have to buy! Congratulations on joining the Pentax family. I am sure you are going to love it. I am extremely happy with my K100D. It sounds like you now have money for lenses! If you like low light shooting, check out the SMC-FA 50mm /1.4.

Kevin

[disneydreamin247]

Happy Birthday!

Do you know what the best DSLR is... the one you do not have to buy! Congratulations on joining the Pentax family. I am sure you are going to love it. I am extremely happy with my K100D. It sounds like you now have money for lenses! If you like low light shooting, check out the SMC-FA 50mm /1.4.

Kevin


Thanks! I definitely have to invest in a low light lens. I hope to get some good practice at m son's birthday party Thursday (our birthdays are 3 days apart lol)

[MICKEY88]

So tonight for my birthday my mom gave me a Pentax K100D! :cool1:


I'm pretty excited to use it.

ummmm congrats.. tell your mom my birthday was on the 10th, it's not to late for her to buy me a present....Sony A700 in case she needs any ideas...LOL

[MICKEY88]

Even though I have a canon XT, I have to honestly say that most entry level dSLR will serve your needs. There really aren't that many "bad cameras" out there. If you had plans of becoming a serious hobbyist or semi-pro, that would be a different story. In that case, there might be specific cameras that would meet your needs better.

The two things I would suggest is going into an actual camera shop and hold a few cameras in your hands. They feel much bigger than PnS cameras so getting one that feels right to you is important. The other thing is to think about is how important is image stabilization to you? That is probably the biggest difference between entry level dSLR's. Some have IS built into the camera and others have it built into the lenses. Most lenses that come with the camera will not have IS, so if you want/need it, you have to get a different lens if you don't have IS built into the body.

And last but not least, be prepared to either start spending some money or join a support group. Only a few people have the will power to resist the urge to start buying accessories. A lot of people start with a new bag, more memory cards and extra batteries. Then you move up to a new low light prime lens, and a longer zoom lens. Then you need an add on flash and a bigger bag to hold all your stuff. Then you get so many photos on your hard drive that you need some better software to manage/edit your pictures. Then you want to try some new things and you decide you need a tripod and remote shutter release. Then you learn about RAW and need some more memory cards for the larger file size. Then you want a better/faster walk-around lens and maybe some polarizer filters. But wide angle looks fun so you need either an ultra wide angle or fish eye lens. Then you need not a second, but a third hard drive for storing your photos, and a new DVD burner because you wore out your old one. You have also some how accumulated a battery grip, monopod, sensor cleaner and portrait prime. You then make a deal with your wife that she can get the new living room furniture if you can have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L. You keep thinking about some big strobes (those alien bee's are very tempting) but you manage to control yourself and not actually buy it, just put it on your wish list. Then you sell your soul to your photography hobby and finally get a photographer's vest. After that, who are you really fooling? You're addicted.

***Any resemblance to any person either living or dead in the above autobiographical narrative is purely coincidental.


LOL.. I have 4 vests... and I am currently working a deal to trade the Mickeymobile {'96 Dodge Intrepid ES} for a Sony A700...how bad is that....

[Forevryoung]

Just curious, besides the feel is there anything that you find better about the D40 then the Pentax or vise versa? Or maybe that your dbf likes better about your pentax than his D40? I am still camera hunting for my first dslr and like to hear as much good and not so good as possible!

I like the body of the pentax- his D40 has a smaller body that I'm not a huge fan of. DBF definitely likes my Pentax, he was the one to suggest it actually.

I haven't found that the Pentax couldn't do or handle anything that his D40 could do. We only had my camera at Disney and we played around a ton with camera features and lighting. With so much to learn about photography, I would rather spend less on the body and more on accessories and lenses.

I like the fact that the Pentax takes AA's (they weigh about the same). The same set of batteries lasted me 3 straight hours shooting continuous pictures with the screen off. After 300 pictures, I was impressed.

The D40 is "indestructible"- it's been on DBF's sailboat for a summer (without a case), spent a week with me at the beach, thrown in DBF's car... I feel similarly about my pentax however I wouldn't take the same chances DBF does :rotfl:

[Groucho]

Congratulations on the camera! K100Ds are getting hard to find, I was going to suggest the D40 as it's very beginner-oriented (note their "anyone can take great photos" advertising), but I'd choose the K100D instead if you can still find one. :teeth:

For now, you should probably stick to the kit lens for a short while (at least) and decide what kind of shots you're having difficulty getting than another lens will help with. You may find that you need more low-light ability, or you might need a longer zoom. It's best to decide what's best for you personally before buying a lens that you may not use that often.

That being said, the 50mm F1.4 is really hard to resist. ;)

[disneydreamin247]

Thanks! I'll see how well I can shoot a bunch of screaming wild preschoolers tomorrow lol.

[mom0299]

I've been looking at all the pictures on this board taken with dslr cameras and I am blown away! I'm going to have to go back to Alaska when I get one. Oh, I hate to think about what my pictures "could have been".

So, DH and I are looking for a DSLR around $500 and $600 that is good for beginners. I have seriously looked at Canon and Nikon, but I'm not sure what's best. I need a camera to use for vacation (Disney, cruises), my kids sporting events, fireworks, and night shots.

I'm so excited about getting one and seeing what wonderful shots I can get.

Thanks for your help.

[creativeamanda]

What kind of camera have you had in the past? As a Nikon owner, I would probably be disowned by many other owners when I say both are great equivalent cameras. Best thing to do is to go to the store and hold the ones you are looking at in your hands and become familiar with the controls.

I have a Nikon D60, which is now an older model. I believe it was replaced by the D3000. I think it's a great camera, but for most people's use, a D40 is fine. My previous digital P&S cameras were a Nikon Coolpix 5200, a Canon PS A720iS. Before that, we used (still do) a Nikon N50 film SLR. My Canon took fine pictures, but after years and years (10) of using a Nikon, I went back to a camera that had controls I was very familiar with. You'll find that the setup for many of the brands are the same across models.

[mom0299]

What kind of camera have you had in the past? As a Nikon owner, I would probably be disowned by many other owners when I say both are great equivalent cameras. Best thing to do is to go to the store and hold the ones you are looking at in your hands and become familiar with the controls.

We used to have a Minolta 35mm film camera. Since then we've had various Kodak digital cameras, but nothing special.

[/QUOTE]I have a Nikon D60, which is now an older model. I believe it was replaced by the D3000. I think it's a great camera, but for most people's use, a D40 is fine. My previous digital P&S cameras were a Nikon Coolpix 5200, a Canon PS A720iS. Before that, we used (still do) a Nikon N50 film SLR. My Canon took fine pictures, but after years and years (10) of using a Nikon, I went back to a camera that had controls I was very familiar with. You'll find that the setup for many of the brands are the same across models.[/QUOTE]

I looked at a Nikon D3000 at Walmart today. I liked it a lot. The only other DSLR they had was an Olympus and it was too heavy for me. We plan to go Best Buy and see what they have.

[KAT4DISNEY]

At Best Buy you might look at the Sony's. Their entry level DSLR's are some of the most compact if the size of the camera is important to you. (Some history for you- Sony bought Minolta to start their DSLR business so if your Minolta SLR was an autofocus you could still use the lenses from it. If it was manual focus then it requires an adapter). Their menu screens are also geared towards helping beginners use the camera.

And if you have a camera store near you you might want to look at the Pentax K-x. It's a very good camera that will be in your price range.

[Ashmanarion]

I have a D3000 currently. It is my first DSLR and I am loving it. I would probably say that the Canon cameras for newcomers are just as good as the Nikon and the the easiest way to figure out which you want is to get a feel for them and how easy you think each brand might be for you to use. Go to Best Buy or a photo shop and play around with them and ask questions. Good Luck!

[jetprincess]

The Canon Rebel series are always good as a beginner dslr.

[Master Mason]

You should look at all the major players, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, and Sony, go play with them and see which one feels better to you, both in the way it feels in your hand and the intuitiveness of the controls. The one that feels the best is the one you should get.

[The Princess]

I have felt the same way....always lurking here on these boards and have feeling the same way...blown away by all these wonderful photos!! So we finally "took the plunge" and bought the Nikon 5000 today~hopefully soon I'll post my photos here.

[HeatherFeather]

Hi all,

You've prob been asked this a lot but I figured since new stuff is coming out all the time I will ask again. My mother's day gift this year is to be a digital SLR camera. I have never had one before...just the compact point and shoot type cameras. I am ready to move up to something that is better with action shots, low light photography, and better zoom capability.

I would like something that is high quality but fairly simple to use as I don't know much about photography. Can anyone recommend something? Price is not really an issue.

Oh, and a shout out to Mark B. I have looked/lurked at your photos for a few years and think you do brilliant work. Thank you for sharing!

TIA!

[ukcatfan]

Price is not really an issue.



You cannot say that around here! They will get you spending over $5K!!! In all seriousness, you are probably best off with an entry level model. Check out the Pentax K-x, Nikon D5000, Canon T1i and T2i. There are also Sony and Olympus to consider, but I do not know their current models. I recommend the K-x because it has one of the best feature sets and also one of the best prices. Really only the T2i can say it is a better camera, but it costs significantly more. Also, the K-x comes in different colors! I got red. :thumbsup2

Remember that all are capable of getting great shots. Try to go to a local camera store (not a Best Buy or other big box store) and try to go handle the different options.

[Frantasmic]

See if you can go to a store that has each of the above 4 mentioned models and hold them in your hand and see what features fit for what types of photography you want.

Meanwhile, you can check out general photography books at the library and start reading them. The standards of understanding aperture, shutter speed, ISO, white balance apply to dslrs just as the did to film cameras.

Once you decide on a camera, google that camera's name and "short course" and you will be led to a site that offers a $20.00 interactable PDF with specific learning exercises for your new camera.

Then, practice, practice, practice.

With Mother's Day, Father's Day, and graduation around, several of the stores will probably be offering decent kits with a camera body, a standard lens and a zoom lens for about $100-$200 savings.

And don't be upset if your first picture isn't a neat as Mark's or the other really good photographers here. They have had experience and in some cases (Kramberries comes to mind) Zen alien photographic masters teaching them in their sleep.

[Golf4food]

Also purchase a Magic Lantern's Guide to whatever camera you get - full color, very easy to read and understand instruction manual on steroids, basically - much better than the manuals that come with the cameras, much easier to follow, are in color, etc. Can't recommend them enough.

I would also second the recommendation to look at the Pentax K-x. Great little camera.

[mom2rtk]

If I were you, I wouldn't mention "price is no object" and Mark's name in the same post...... he'll probably get you in trouble. Where did the link go to that $34.000 lens??????? :rotfl2:

I would suggest that whatever you get, get out and use it right away, and maybe take a class to get you started.

I would also suggest leaving some room in your budget for another lens or two down the road. Once you get into using it, you'll get a better idea of what lenses would be helpful with what you shoot.

I also suggest hanging around here. It's pretty inspirational, and you'll learn a lot as you go.

Have fun and Happy Mother's Day!

[HeatherFeather]

Thank you all for the advice so far. I guess I will backpedal a bit and say I would like to keep the camera itself under $1000. As I have said, I am a beginner and kind of a technological cavewoman. I need something that is relatively simple to use. :)

I am going to look at some of the reviews for models mentioned on cnet. Since I live in a pretty big metro area, I should be able to find an actual camera store. (I hope!)

And no, I am not going to freak out if my initial photos don't look like all you veterans stuff. I know that this probably takes years of practice to get really good. I am mainly looking for the equiptment to get me started down that road.

Thanks again for the help!

[disneymomoftwins]

I need a digital camera for under 400.00. I prefer at least 26 zoom and 10MP.
I will be using it for football games and dance team performances. I will also use the video a lot. All I have right now is a cheapy point and shoot and I have NOOOO idea where to start.
Thanks

[Princess_Au]

First, I have to say I really enjoy the pictures you all post here. You have inspired me to learn how to take better pictures.

I am a complete novice, who has a simple Sony Cybershot. I also have Photoshop Elements on my laptop. I know how to do a few simple edits and a bit with layers, but not much more. My main interest is taking great pictures of my young children and family. With this in mind, could you answer a few questions?

- What kind of camera should I think of upgrading to? Cannon, Nikon?
- Is buying a used Cannon on ebay a really bad idea?
- How did you learn what you know? A photography class? Self-taught? Any other way?
- Will Photoshop Elements provide me with the tools I need? If not, what software should I look into?
- Can I keep my Cybershot and create great pictures on the back end?
- Any other recommendations?

Thanks for any help you can provide!!

[zackiedawg]

- What kind of camera should I think of upgrading to? Cannon, Nikon?

If thinking of changing cameras, you should consider ALL cameras - Nikon, Canon, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, Panasonic...no reason to just eliminate any from consideration until you have a valid personal reason to do so (one is too heavy, too big, too small, uncomfortable, missing a feature, etc). If looking to consider DSLRs or interchangeable lens cameras, you can't go wrong with any of the big brands, and all will be far more versatile and expandable, and capable, than a P&S camera.

- Is buying a used Cannon on ebay a really bad idea?

Well - like anything used or anything on eBay - it's up to you as to whether or not to take the chance. I'm not a big eBay fan, so I'd probably go elsewhere, but I'm not opposed to the idea of buying some things used. With a camera, I'd probably recommend sticking with new camera bodies, and buy used lenses.

- How did you learn what you know? A photography class? Self-taught? Any other way?

Self-taught, and input from other photographers over the years - but you can learn in many different ways - it's more about the committment to learn and grow than how you do it.

- Will Photoshop Elements provide me with the tools I need? If not, what software should I look into?

You should be fine with Elements.

- Can I keep my Cybershot and create great pictures on the back end?

It would be good to know which model of Cybershot you have - there are hundreds of models within the Cybershot line. But generally, most people that aren't yet very skilled with photography could improve their photography results many times over even with their current camera. Learning exposure, camera control, composition, and some post-processing techniques can deliver excellent photos even from the lowliest P&S. Better cameras provide more capabilities in more expanded situations, but don't create better photographs...just better opportunities and control for making better photographs. The photographer remains the big piece of the puzzle!

[TheGoofster]

I'll let the experts deal more with the specific questions, I just want to add a couple of things from another beginners point of view.

Without trying to sound mean about it, I think the way your asked your question might be setting yourself up for a bit of disappointment. I've been using my DSLR for about a year now, and I've been trying to learn as much as possible about it, but the fact is that I am no where near to taking shots like some of the people here on this board (and it's very possible I never will be). Many of the people here are experts who have dedicated years and years to learning and perfecting their skills. If I start using them as a comparison to myself, I find that I can get quite disappointed.
I say that simply to point out, that instead of trying to take pictures like many of the people here, make it a goal to start taking better pictures than perhaps you are now, and to advance from there. Thankfully I can say that in the past year, I have indeed seen quite a bit of improvement in both my understanding of, and actual taking of pictures.
There is still so much more to learn, and so much to work toward, but instead of continually comparing myself to the experts (which can be discouraging), I am comparing myself to where I was a year ago (which is actually quite encouraging).
I hope that doesn't sound mean or rude, but I just want to help you to avoid possibly setting yourself up for disappointment if you don't see the results that you might want to see after some time (basing it on how the experts do).

As for the best way to improve, I would suggest once you decide on a camera, slowly go through the instruction manual, and work on each and every aspect of the camera. Even if it's something that you already feel comfortable with, work your way through the manual. After that there are a ton of great books that expand on each of these concepts (the one that gets the most recommendation here is Understanding Exposure by Brian Peterson) These books can help you advance leaps and bounds in your shooting. Also, be sure to use the camera until your family gets sick of the site of it :thumbsup2

Good luck in whatever camera you finally decide on, and enjoy your journey of learning how to best use it. Even though I'm still a beginner, I love taking pictures, and look forward to every chance I get to practice and learn something new - I know you will too.

[SrisonS]

As far as getting better skills-wise; just shoot and shoot... Don't be afraid to make mistakes, but know why you made them... Be terribly critical of yourself (which will eventually just come naturally), and be aware of the constructive criticism from others.... Ask tons of questions.... And just be a fan of the work of others. Constantly being inspired from various photographs and techniques will help you to think out the box a little, and will always push you to do better. Think of it as healthy competition, where you always want to kick other people's butt in the photo world. ;)

I'd also say that it won't take too too long to get a skill level you're really happy with (although you'll always try to be the best thing ever). But as time goes on, and you start looking at your older pictures, you'll really notice that you've made quite a bit of improvement.

So good luck out there!!!!!! :)

[photo_chick]

I agree with zackiedawg on the camera. If you feel like you want to go DSLR you really can't go wrong with any of them. It's finding the features you want, that fits in your hands at a price you can afford.

If you want to go used I'd look at someplace like KEH, Adorama or B&H before I hit Ebay. Though I'm not a big fan of used digital cameras. Lenses absolutely. Bodies, no.

How did I learn... Self taught, until I took a photography class in college and changed my major. I've learned the most just from interacting with other photographers.

On software.. keep Elements until you run into something you can't do that you want to do with it. When that happens on a regular basis, it's time to move up.

I'm a firm believer that great pictures start in camera. No amount of photoshop can make a bad image good. It can make a bad image into some nice digital art, but that's a different thing altogether. And I don't believe your camera will stop you from taking great pictures because it's the photographer and not the camera that matters. Sure, fancy equipment makes it easier, but you can pull off some pretty impressive stuff with point and shoots if you know how.

[AlbertZeroK]

You don't need a camera like ours. Although, some shots I can get because of my camera and lens, with a few good lessons, you can easily shoot the majority of the shots we get. Especially for outside shots. High end cameras will make the shots a bit sharper and can be blown up more, but realistically, it's not the camera


Learn about perspective, composure and make sure to always look at both your subject and background.


You can task alot of pictures, but without ideas of what I mentioned above, you wont' really get anywhere.

[Princess_Au]

I have to say a big thank you to all who responded to my post! I hope I didn't offend anyone by sounding like I think I can take pictures like you do easily. I understand you have gotten to your level by much time spent, even years perfecting your craft. I just meant that you all have inspired me to take better pictures, not perfect pictures.

It will take me a while to save up for a nice camera, so I am glad to hear that I can learn to take really good pictures on my current camera (Sony Cybershot DSC-H10). I am now searching for good photography books for beginners. I heard that "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson is a good one. Anyone know of any others to look into?

Thanks again for your input, I really appreciate it! :thumbsup2

[mom2rtk]

My best piece of advice: Hang out here! read the threads posted daily by others. When you have questions, post your own thread. Everyone here is friendly, helpful, and very patient and encouraging to novices.

[rmhc_employee]

My wife is pregnant with our first. We've decided to start looking at camera options to upgrade from an old basic Kodak point and shoot digital camera. The word that most closely describes my feelings at this point: exasperation!

My wife and I both like the Dis for a number of reason. So, I am, therefore asking for opinions.

Let me start by saying what we are not: We are not professionals, we do not plan to become professional photographers, we are not required to have the latest and greatest technology (see current camera), and are not particularly price sensitive. I'm not going to order the $7000 Nikon body only camera, but am indifferent between the $200 Sony and the $500 Panasonic if the value is there.

That being said, I have spent time in camera stores, big-box stores, cnet.com, et al. Most of the time, I am struck by the fact the sales person ostensibly knows as much (or less!) about the camera than I do which isn't helpful or the reviews are such that "drawbacks" are something I wouldn't notice (or care about) if my life depended on it. We are looking for a good camera that will provide good shots without being Ansel Adams that is versatile enough to allow almost anyone to use, and will allow us to get shots of the baby (often at Disney!).

Thanks in advance for any ideas that you all have.

[cpbjgc]

Congratulations on the pending arrival!

Just to start you off, there are many folks on this board who could probably help you out, but your question is a bit too wide open. So you may want to expand a bit on what you think your needs will be: shooting indoors or out? Lots of light or not much? Moving subjects or sitting still (you may be surprised how much infants can move around their arms and head, and that counts as motion when taking a picture).

Also, if there are particular models you are interested in, ask about them here. You may very well find people here have the camera you are interested in and can answer specific questions. It sounds like you have been doing some research already, so throw out the names of specific models for people to comment on. Given your stated budget, you could be looking at some nice bridge cameras and even an entry level dslr.

So give us something to work with and someone here may have the answers you need! :thumbsup2

[SrisonS]

Would an entry level dslr be in your budget??? Some people might say to learn the photography basics, and this and that, to really take advantage of that type of camera; but it's not totally necessary. Heck, I'd even bet they're easier to use than a p&s at times.

And if that is the route you want to take, maybe look into a nice prime lens or external flash, for all of those great baby pictures. Me and my wife had our first child almost 2 months ago. And with the date fast approaching, I was looking into getting either a fast prime lens or flash, for all of the indoor shots i knew I'd be taking. I eventually settled on the prime lens. I knew that it would get way more use (even for non-baby shots), I liked the bokeh effect of it, and I personally wasn't comfortable having the flash go off in her eyes all the time. But as mentioned before, even a bridge camera might do the trick for you. Good luck!!!!!

[momoftwins]

Please don't laugh, I have no idea how to solve this problem. We have a Canon T2i that I know we will love once we learn how to use it:flower3:

We just got it last week and we are slowly getting through the manual. We bought it to be able to get great pics and movies of my son and his adventure to California. His marching band is one of the few chosen to march in the Tournament of Roses parade on New Year's day. :love:

DH had the camera set on fully automatic and was taking pics of a parade they performed in last week. Of course the faces came out good, but the arms (because they were moving) were blurry. Is there a happy medium to this?

See told ya newbie question. Thanks.

[AlbertZeroK]

Your shutter speed is too low, because of low amount of light. You can solve this in a few different ways, first, you might try the sports setting on the camera. For me, I would put the camera in apeture Priority mode (A) and raise my ISO till i got my shutter speed up. Or, you could put your camera in shutter priority mode and dial in about 1/250 or so.

[AlbertZeroK]

I love my Sony Nex cameras and the Nex3 is on sale at SonyStyle.com. It's got a larger sensor than point and shoots and is a great camera. It can do video as well and has an articulating LCD Display. But here is what I would look at:

1. Make sure the camera feels okay in you and your wife's hands. If it's not comfortable or too heavy, you won't want to use it.

2. I would suggest looking at a camera with an articulating (fold out, moving) LCD screen. I love this feature in my NEX3 and will likely get the Sony A55 because of this feature and the on board GPS. The Articulating screen allows you to use the camera up in the air above your head or down low. You'll find, especially with children, being able to get low is wonderful.

3. Video. Here is the low down, if you get a DSLR and want to use it to shoot video, seriously consider the Sony A55. I would personally stay away from the Canon T2i, T1i and possibly the 7d - the reason is that alot of Nikon and Canon DSLR don't do all that well with auto focus in video mode. The Sony NEX3 I have works extremely better than my old T2i camera for video.

Others will have different thoughts and ideas, for me, I'd say look at the SONY NEX3 or the Sony A55.

One more thing, CONGRATULATIONS!

[zackiedawg]

A suggestion if you're looking for the most 'automatic' way to get those types of shots, at least until you know your way around the camera, is to enter one of the camera's 'scene' modes - these are automatic modes tuned to perform specific types of shots. The 'scene' modes are right on the dial - all the little picture icons. You'd want to use the one with the Running Man icon. This is the sports scene mode - it will tell the camera to try to stick with faster shutter speeds because your subject is moving. Make sure your ISO mode is set to 'auto' when you're in this scene - so the camera can raise it if it needs to.

[momoftwins]

I actually get what you both are saying!! I must have learned a little something reading the manual.

I really do appreciate you both taking the time to answer me. :worship: Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!!

[Frantasmic]

I'd suggest leasing the 135 L f2.0 lens for your trip or something similar (long and quick). It's a once in a lifetime shot your are trying to capture.

Your camera is definitely up to the task; your lenses should be too (since admittedly you are still learning, you are relying more on equipment than skill).

I'd also suggest practicing in shadows or on cloudy days since that seems to be what I remember from the parades.

And, if you have time between all this, I'd also suggest learning how to take pictures in both raw and jpeg. Jpeg will allow to get shots you use now while raw will allow you to save the pictures so you can adjust them later when you learn how (if you aren't already). Get several really good SDHC cards in preparation.

[DoleWhipDVC]

You sound like where I was about a year ago. I wanted to take better shots but I also had one elective course in photography back in the '70s during high school. When Circuit City went out of business, I picked up a Canon 40D at 30% off and LIVED with the manual using every feature over and over to get used to what it could do. I still blew it recently by closing my apeture instead of opening it up during an indoor sporting event, so remember to get as confident as you can with your features BEFORE you need them (excitment during a "one chance only" opportunity can cause mistakes!) I checked out every book I could from the local library becuase it was cheaper than buying them all and really studied all the concepts. All the while I kept shooting (with digital if it's junk you can just delete it). Then I stay glued to this board and follow all the advice I can. On our last trip I was able to shoot some decent fireworks shots thanks to disboard advice. I also have had some success with dark ride captures thanks to the friendly folks here. I agree with the other posters, learning your camera's features and some basics about light and fore ground/back ground will help you tons. Compare your pictures to your pictures and grow that way...you'll see improvement fast. Best of luck:thumbsup2

[rmhc_employee]

Congratulations on the pending arrival!

Just to start you off, there are many folks on this board who could probably help you out, but your question is a bit too wide open. So you may want to expand a bit on what you think your needs will be: shooting indoors or out? Lots of light or not much? Moving subjects or sitting still (you may be surprised how much infants can move around their arms and head, and that counts as motion when taking a picture).

Also, if there are particular models you are interested in, ask about them here. You may very well find people here have the camera you are interested in and can answer specific questions. It sounds like you have been doing some research already, so throw out the names of specific models for people to comment on. Given your stated budget, you could be looking at some nice bridge cameras and even an entry level dslr.

So give us something to work with and someone here may have the answers you need! :thumbsup2

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree - after re-reading the original post, I was a bit vague in my request. I was pulling out my hair about that time!

In terms of what we have looked at: I have played with a few different Sony products (of course) like a cybershot and a DSC (there is a Sony Store relatively close to our house). I have used a Nikon as well. My wife was always partial to Canon when we used our old 35mm cameras - she liked the lenses. I have seen good reviews on a Panasonic (cnet editors choice) which I haven't used yet.

One of the biggest drawbacks that I have seen so far is the lag between shots. Our old Kodak almost seemed faster than a couple of the Sony models!

We have talked about a DSLR - and shot a couple of Sony cameras as well. My wife didn't like the relative size of them - thought they were too big.

Is there a smaller DSLR option out there that doesn't weigh a ton? Has anyone used the Panasonic Lumix (cnet editors choice)? Is there a sony that doesn't seem slow like a dog or is there a way to speed that up?? We sometimes take funny photos of our cats (unwilling participants, but good to practice on) and by the time the camera focuses, lines up, phones home, and then takes the shot, the cat has left the pose and gone back to sleep (almost) or, by some strange occurrance, we get a superfast shot, but don't get the funny thing we were looking for.

Are there other questions I should be thinking of?? We are so novice, we don't know what we don't know. The reason we bought the Kodak (and I'm not kidding), we had a Kodak photo printer and we could just dock the camera and press the button.

Thanks again for your thoughts. Happy thanksgiving to all!

[zackiedawg]

By chance, are you half-pressing the shutter to focus and meter before fully pressing to take the shot, or are you just pressing the shutter all the way down in one motion? Cameras are much slower, especially if they have lots of little internal doodads trying to correct the picture for you, when you try to just SHOOT...it's always considered a proper photographic technique to half-press the shutter, the camera will focus and meter the shot in milliseconds (a little longer in low light), then be primed to shoot instantly as soon as you're ready...by holding the half-press shutter, the camera is now instantly sprung to shoot with no delay, and you can fully press at the exact moment you want to capture. This is true of every P&S and DSLR camera on the planet - and will also be effective with any of the Sony cams too. Sony's P&S cameras have no extra shutter lag or delay as compared to similar competitors, but some functions may be engaged in the automatic mode which can slow down those cameras (like DRO optimization, auto flash, focus assist lamp, etc) and also the speed of the card in the camera can lengthen shot-to-shot lag.

Panasonic P&S cameras are also fine. Like any other, beware when using the line name of cameras, like 'Cybershot', 'Lumix', or 'Coolpix'...too many people get confused when they read a positive review for a camera, and think the review was about a 'Lumix' so they go out and buy a 'Lumix' and find it performs nothing like the review. Then they wonder why. Under the Lumix banner, Panasonic has dozens of camera models. Under Cybershot banner, Sony has literally hundreds of camera models. And so on with Canon's Powershot and Nikon's Coolpix. Always make sure to look at the specific model number of a given review - such as Panasonic Lumix TZ7, Nikon Coolpix P7000, Canon Powershot SD1000, or Sony Cybershot DSC-TX5...it's that last part with the letters and numbers that differentiates the cameras - and there can be a HUGE difference between two cameras with very similar names (for example, Sony DSC-W310 vs Sony DSC-WX5...one is an el cheapo model with low features and average LCD screen, while the other is a high-feature electronics-laden toy with low light lens and image stacking abilities).

My guess too is the Sony models you were looking at must have been their lower end models like the bottom-line W models or the S models. Sony has some very good P&S models which are competitive, but their lower end models are not very good at all. If shopping the cheaper models, Canon and Panasonic may do a bit better...and even Fuji mid-level models (which price out the same as the cheap models from the other manufacturers).

If you decide to go the DSLR route, for the much better quality, but want smaller...then you may want to consider either the mirrorless models (Such as Sony NEX3 & NEX5, or Panasonic GF1 & Olympus EP series PEN models), or consider small lightweight DSLRs or SLT models which have normal APS-C sensors and take regular DSLR lenses but have lighter more portable bodies (still not pocketable though!) - such as the Sony A33 & A55, or the Pentax KX. They will certainly give you FAR greater ability and much better results in any low light situations, with a lot of room to grow and learn if willing to do so, and expandability by adding different lenses.

[SplashMo]

I think either a Nikon D50 or a Canon Rebel XTi would be what I would recommend. The lens would depend on what type of images you plan to take. You may hate the price of the Nikon 18-200VR but with lenses, you do get what you pay for. Cheaper lenses, especially longer zoom types are typically not very good. Many here like the Sigma 18-125 for either Nikon or Canon.

My "dream" DSLR is a Canon 5D with all "L" glass lenses, but that's not going to happen anytime soon. :rotfl2:

Agree 100% with this post... :)