Canon 1000D (Rebel XS, Kiss F)

[mabas9395]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0806/08061002Canon1000D.asp

It sounds like this is supposed to be an even more entry level camera than the XT series. Some initial reviews say it is a step below the new XSi but a step above the almost new XTi (but at a better price).

There is also a new version of the 430ex flash, the 430ex II. A little faster, a little quieter and should probably give Master Mason the in camera controls with the 40d that he is looking for.

[DizzyV6P]

This is supposed to be Canon's answer to Nikon's D40/D40x/D60 series. We'll see how they do their marketing on it. Even a Canon fanboy like myself has been dissappointed with Canon's past marketing campagins. I give major kudos to Nikon for their genius marketing scheme for the D series.

[kenny]

I apologize upfront. I keep posting camera compares but I guess the more I research the more I change my mind.

Ok I held a bunch went to a bunch of camera shops and researched the internet.

Deciding between the D40 D60 and XS. Every camera shop says the D40 and D60 are almost the same just a little more MP on the 60. Not sure if that is worth the extra $$. All photo shops I spoke with said no, D40 was the wiser as D60 didn't offer enought upgrade over the D40. Not sure if that is true or is the D60 is worth it.

Which would be recommend between the 3? Was leaning towards D40 because it was a lot cheaper and figured with the $$ saved I could buy an additional lens, but if the XS is just that much better of a camera over all maybe I will forgo the extra lens right away and get that and buy a zoom lens a few months down the line.

Any thoughts? Thanks again for everyones help!

[dr_zero]

maybe this will help some

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d40.htm

[ukcatfan]

:scared1:

No offense to you dr_zero, but I think this board should have an anti-Ken Rockwell rule. I am a very mellow understanding kind of person, but I can honestly say that I despise that guy! I do not even think there even many Nikon lovers that like him. Have you ever hear the phrase, "A legend in his own mind"?

To the OP, I ask one question. Are you wanting to get low light shots as a primary concern for your upgrade? If so, are you OK with paying $400 for a lens to do that vs. $100 for a Canon or a Nikon that has the AF motor (i.e. D80)? I have not followed your search, but have you considered the other brands? The models in your short list are all on the small side. Is that something you are looking for? If so, also consider Olympus. If not, then maybe you should look for something larger. The ones you picked are personally too small for me.

[kenny]

:scared1:

No offense to you dr_zero, but I think this board should have an anti-Ken Rockwell rule. I am a very mellow understanding kind of person, but I can honestly say that I despise that guy! I do not even think there even many Nikon lovers that like him. Have you ever hear the phrase, "A legend in his own mind"?

To the OP, I ask one question. Are you wanting to get low light shots as a primary concern for your upgrade? If so, are you OK with paying $400 for a lens to do that vs. $100 for a Canon or a Nikon that has the AF motor (i.e. D80)? I have not followed your search, but have you considered the other brands? The models in your short list are all on the small side. Is that something you are looking for? If so, also consider Olympus. If not, then maybe you should look for something larger. The ones you picked are personally too small for me.

I would love to take great low light shots that I see on these boards, but I am also realistic (or my wife is trying to make me ;) ). The D80 does appeal to me, just not my budget. Looks like that one is going for around $1000 with kit lens. And $400 for a lens is probably too much for me.

A friend of mine who is an avid photographer recommended the XSi with D60 close behind. Being that it is my first DSLR I am trying to spend closer to $600 (give or take a little) to make sure this is something that I am going to have time to invest in before investing more $$$.

I keep leaning towards the Nikon over Cannon although I see nothing but good reviews for the Cannon.

As for the size, the smaller size is a plus. Figured it is easier to lug around with kids in tow. Plus my wife will be using it too. I did look at the Oly 520, as it was recommended by one of the camera shops, but it looked like the Nikon and Cannon got better reviews. I also looked into Sony as they seem to get get reviews, just afraid to invest in Sony over Nikon or Cannon.

My other thought was a Pentax K200D. In cleaning out an old room last night I found my wife's old Pentax 35MM's (had 2) and lens (Takumar-a 1:35-4.5 28-80mm and pentax-m 1:1.7 50mm). Not sure if the k200 has the motor in-body though so lens would not be of great benefit then.

AS my buddy told me last night, I just have to bite the bullet and make a decision already! :rotfl:

Thanks for everyones help.

[mrsbug]

Trust me, you can drive yourself crazy trying to pick the perfect camera! I've been in the same dillema before and know how frustrating. Eventually you just have to bite the bullet and make the choice. And then be ready for the doubts and buyers remorse you are sure to experience. ;)

I did the same thing before finally buying the Nikon D60 as an upgrade from the D50. I'd sold the whole kit, including the 2 extra lenses I had, and had to decide if I wanted to stick with Nikon or move over to Canon. In the end, I chose the D60 and I'm so glad I did! Took it on vacation last week. It was light enough that I didn't have any problems carrying it with me everywhere. The shots I got were outstanding. Very little tweaking needed in Photoshop, which is exactly what I wanted. FOr the first couple weeks I was wondering if I'd made the right decision. After seeing my vacation photos, I have no regrets and no doubts I made the right choice for me.

FWIW, I choose the D60 over the D40 mainly because it's newer. :o I'd bought the D50 after it was discontinued, and while it was a good camera, I still wondered if I should have gone with the newer problems because it did have some quirks and issues. THis time I just decided to go newer. Plus, I wanted to option to do more cropping in Photoshop, so I wanted the extra MP of the D60.

GOod luck! Remember, the best camera is the one you have and the one you'll use. ;) The longer you spend hemming and hawing over which one to get, the less time you have to be out there learning your equipment and taking pictures. ;)

[ukcatfan]

I would love to take great low light shots that I see on these boards, but I am also realistic (or my wife is trying to make me ;) ). The D80 does appeal to me, just not my budget. Looks like that one is going for around $1000 with kit lens. And $400 for a lens is probably too much for me.

A friend of mine who is an avid photographer recommended the XSi with D60 close behind. Being that it is my first DSLR I am trying to spend closer to $600 (give or take a little) to make sure this is something that I am going to have time to invest in before investing more $$$.

I keep leaning towards the Nikon over Cannon although I see nothing but good reviews for the Cannon.

As for the size, the smaller size is a plus. Figured it is easier to lug around with kids in tow. Plus my wife will be using it too. I did look at the Oly 520, as it was recommended by one of the camera shops, but it looked like the Nikon and Cannon got better reviews. I also looked into Sony as they seem to get get reviews, just afraid to invest in Sony over Nikon or Cannon.

My other thought was a Pentax K200D. In cleaning out an old room last night I found my wife's old Pentax 35MM's (had 2) and lens (Takumar-a 1:35-4.5 28-80mm and pentax-m 1:1.7 50mm). Not sure if the k200 has the motor in-body though so lens would not be of great benefit then.

AS my buddy told me last night, I just have to bite the bullet and make a decision already! :rotfl:

Thanks for everyones help.

My personal choice would be the K200D, but that is b/c I love my K100D. Your old lenses will work on the new camera. I doubt that the 50mm would AF though b/c I think it is a MF lens. It is still a nice lens though. I had a MF 50mm f/2 before I got my f/1.4. The other lens probably would not get used too much b/c it is basically a kit lens, but does give a little more reach. As for kit lenses, the Pentax is still the best IMO b/c of the build quality and non-rotating front element. The new IS kit lenses from C&N are much better than the old ones, but still not great. They seem very cheap and fragile to me. On a side note, the "upgraded" kit lenses from Nikon seem much better. There is one that is a 18-135mm I believe.

Outside of my brand loyalty :sad2: have you thought about the XT and XTi? There is also the XS, which is new but still cheaper than the XSi.

[dr_zero]

:scared1:

No offense to you dr_zero, but I think this board should have an anti-Ken Rockwell rule. I am a very mellow understanding kind of person, but I can honestly say that I despise that guy! I do not even think there even many Nikon lovers that like him. Have you ever hear the phrase, "A legend in his own mind"?



We all have our own opinion of the person but alot of his reviews are not bad and I have found some very useful information reading over his site.

[handicap18]

I would love to take great low light shots that I see on these boards, but I am also realistic (or my wife is trying to make me ;) ). The D80 does appeal to me, just not my budget. Looks like that one is going for around $1000 with kit lens. And $400 for a lens is probably too much for me.

A friend of mine who is an avid photographer recommended the XSi with D60 close behind. Being that it is my first DSLR I am trying to spend closer to $600 (give or take a little) to make sure this is something that I am going to have time to invest in before investing more $$$.

I keep leaning towards the Nikon over Cannon although I see nothing but good reviews for the Cannon.

As for the size, the smaller size is a plus. Figured it is easier to lug around with kids in tow. Plus my wife will be using it too. I did look at the Oly 520, as it was recommended by one of the camera shops, but it looked like the Nikon and Cannon got better reviews. I also looked into Sony as they seem to get get reviews, just afraid to invest in Sony over Nikon or Cannon.

My other thought was a Pentax K200D. In cleaning out an old room last night I found my wife's old Pentax 35MM's (had 2) and lens (Takumar-a 1:35-4.5 28-80mm and pentax-m 1:1.7 50mm). Not sure if the k200 has the motor in-body though so lens would not be of great benefit then.

AS my buddy told me last night, I just have to bite the bullet and make a decision already! :rotfl:

Thanks for everyones help.

My personal choice would be the K200D, but that is b/c I love my K100D. Your old lenses will work on the new camera. I doubt that the 50mm would AF though b/c I think it is a MF lens. It is still a nice lens though. I had a MF 50mm f/2 before I got my f/1.4. The other lens probably would not get used too much b/c it is basically a kit lens, but does give a little more reach. As for kit lenses, the Pentax is still the best IMO b/c of the build quality and non-rotating front element. The new IS kit lenses from C&N are much better than the old ones, but still not great. They seem very cheap and fragile to me. On a side note, the "upgraded" kit lenses from Nikon seem much better. There is one that is a 18-135mm I believe.

Outside of my brand loyalty :sad2: have you thought about the XT and XTi? There is also the XS, which is new but still cheaper than the XSi.


If I'm not mistaken, there are 2 Pentax 50mm f/1.7's. One is auto focus and one is manual focus.

Pentax SMCP-FA 50mm f1.7

Pentax A 50mm f/1.7 MF

Kenny, I would look into this specific lens to find out if it is manual or auto focus. If it is Auto Focus, then I would seriously consider the K200D with a kit lens and maybe the 55-200 or 50-300mm lens.

All the Pentax dSLR's will auto focus with any Pentax auto focus lens. Pentax has a very good lineup of dSLR's and their 50mm f/1.4 lens is about $200. Great for low light and nice to have for portraits and natural light candids of your kids. The Pentax kit lens is very good for its class.

I'm a Nikon guy. The D60 is a great camera. You can easily get a nice set up with the 18-55mm VR and 50-200mm VR lens or start with just the 18-135mm lens. Then down the road add a 70-300mm VR (super nice lens) and/or a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 when it fits your budget.

[kenny]

If I'm not mistaken, there are 2 Pentax 50mm f/1.7's. One is auto focus and one is manual focus.

Pentax SMCP-FA 50mm f1.7

Pentax A 50mm f/1.7 MF

Kenny, I would look into this specific lens to find out if it is manual or auto focus. If it is Auto Focus, then I would seriously consider the K200D with a kit lens and maybe the 55-200 or 50-300mm lens.

All the Pentax dSLR's will auto focus with any Pentax auto focus lens. Pentax has a very good lineup of dSLR's and their 50mm f/1.4 lens is about $200. Great for low light and nice to have for portraits and natural light candids of your kids. The Pentax kit lens is very good for its class.

I'm a Nikon guy. The D60 is a great camera. You can easily get a nice set up with the 18-55mm VR and 50-200mm VR lens or start with just the 18-135mm lens. Then down the road add a 70-300mm VR (super nice lens) and/or a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 when it fits your budget.

Thanks. brought the lens into a camera shop and they would not AF on the k200, Were too old.

I decided to go with the D60! Thanks everyone for all the help.

[ukcatfan]

Thanks. brought the lens into a camera shop and they would not AF on the k200, Were too old.

I decided to go with the D60! Thanks everyone for all the help.

If they did not AF on the K200D, then they were not AF lenses. You might think about selling them to get some more money for your new camera. It might be a MF, but the 50mm is still a highly regarded lens.

[twoeeyy]

We bought our 16 yr old the canon rebel XS a few weeks ago for her birthday.
As of now she just has the lens that came with it. I want to get her a few lens for Xmas but am not sure what ones.

She wants a fish-eye and probally a zoom. Will any DSLR fit or do I need to get one made specifically for canon ? Sorry for the dumb question but I am a PS person so I know nothing about DSLR.

Thanks :)

[DesertBell]

You need to get one specifically for Canon. :) Other brands make them, just make sure they have a Canon mount.

[Frantasmic]

You will need a lens that fits the Canon EOS system. Canon, Sigma, Tokina, etc., have lens that fit the camera. The Canon lenses are generally more expensive; however, they are sure to work. The other manufacturers are less expensive, and generally take pretty good pictures, but many do have some issues with focusing, either automatically or manually.

A fish-eye for your camera is likely to be fairly expensive, no matter what manufacturer you use.

Starting lens recommendations generally run along getting a nifty 50mm f1.8 lens and either the 55-250mm zoom or the 75-300mm zoom.

The 50 is under $100. The other two are in the $250-$350 range. The 50mm is highly recommended because it takes good pictures in low light conditions, but it has no zoom capability by definition. But, it is easy to have, to use, and inexpensive and people really enjoy it's crisp pictures; thus, it is a favorite for close ups (though generally not macro) and portraits

A fish-eye lens is likely to be higher than $350.

[twoeeyy]

thanks for the info. Sounds like we need to get her the ' nifty 50 ' . I will look into the fish eye. I still have about $400 left towards my xmas budget for her, but she also wants a flash :rolleyes1 , so I will have to decide what to get, normally I would get it all but I am trying to cut back this year :lmao: .

[jfinke]

You can find reviews and "general pricing" at a couple of photography websites.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/ - Make sure whatever you are looking at is canon orientated.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/ - Solely a Canon site.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php - Forum dedicated to Canon owners.

[jfinke]

Oh, I also just ordered a 480ex flash from amazon for 199.

[twoeeyy]

Thanks, I will check out those websites now.

[DesertBell]

If I had $400 for camera stuff right now and only the camera and kit lens, I would get the 430EX flash (which is actually in my cart at Amazon!), the Nifty 50, and a bag to store and carry my camera stuff.

Other stuff she's probably going to want are an extra battery (and possibly a grip), extra memory, a tripod, and possibly filters and/ or hoods for her lenses.

And after she gets all that, she'll find something else to want. :rotfl:

[twoeeyy]

If I had $400 for camera stuff right now and only the camera and kit lens, I would get the 430EX flash (which is actually in my cart at Amazon!), the Nifty 50, and a bag to store and carry my camera stuff.

Other stuff she's probably going to want are an extra battery (and possibly a grip), extra memory, a tripod, and possibly filters and/ or hoods for her lenses.

And after she gets all that, she'll find something else to want. :rotfl:

She already has a bag, tripod, good memory cards but I never even thought about an extra batery, nice idea. I think I am leaning towards the nifty 50 ( even though I don't know what it is :rolleyes1 , but she will ) and a flash and will probally end up letting her spend her own money on the fish eye ( again I'm not sure what she needs/wants this for ).

[DesertBell]

Here's some examples of what a fisheye lens does:

http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/15-fun-fabulous-fisheye-photos/


the Nifty 50 is a 50 mm prime lens, which means that it doesn't zoom at all. It's great for lower light conditions and portraits, and can give a lovely blurred background.

[WendyLovesPeter]

are the differences going to matter to me, a DSLR novice? Coming from the point and shoot world, either would be an improvement, I think. I've read a lot of views on the "differences" but they are a bit over my head.

of course the XS price is more appealing to me - about $150 less on Amazon. Both include the same IS lens.

I am thinking for me the XS should be just fine? I can take the cash difference and put it toward a faster lens for indoor sports which is one of my major DSLR goals in the first place.

[bob100]

are the differences going to matter to me, a DSLR novice? Coming from the point and shoot world, either would be an improvement, I think. I've read a lot of views on the "differences" but they are a bit over my head.

of course the XS price is more appealing to me - about $150 less on Amazon. Both include the same IS lens.

I am thinking for me the XS should be just fine? I can take the cash difference and put it toward a faster lens for indoor sports which is one of my major DSLR goals in the first place.

I don't have the answer but check out this Canon forum before you buy (explains the differences and where the bargains are!)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[Pea-n-Me]

Indoor sports are a challenge for everyone. I don't know the answer to your question but here's a side by side review. You probably want to look for a camera that has the best "usable" (ie lowest noise) high ISO, I would think, if indoor sports are a major goal. (You will also want to get good at understanding shutter speed.)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos1000d%2Ccanon_eos450d&show=all

[tyedye]

I can take the cash difference and put it toward a faster lens for indoor sports which is one of my major DSLR goals in the first place.

I'm not that knowledgeable in technical spec's so perhaps someone else can confirm and explain but I think that the XSI supports the faster lens where the XS does not. It may depend how fast you're refering to.

Here is the XSI info:
9 point
• 1 cross-type (F2.8)
• -0.5 to 18 EV
• Proximity sensor

This is the XS info:
• 7 point
• 1 cross-type (F5.6)
• -0.5 to 18 EV

Now someone w/more knowledge will have to explain what the difference between the cross type is and how that will effect a fast lens.

[jfinke]

I believe that that is talking about the autofocus system and how accurate/quick it is.

If you look at: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-Rebel-XSi-450D-Digital-SLR-Camera-Review.aspx

Near the middle of the page, he discusses the AF system of the XSi vs. the XTi and the 40d. The XS is kind of a hybrid of the XSi and the XTi from what I understand.

[WendyLovesPeter]

any other thoughts?

[Frantasmic]

I think the XS will work for you. I do indoor sports (volleyball and basketball) photography for our school. I had great luck with the Rebel XSi in Raw with a 50mm 1.4 prime and spot metering.

The XS will do all those things as well as the XSi. The XS wasn't out yet when I purchased my camera is the reason I chose the XSi.

If you can sit courtside, you may even go with the more expensive 30mm lens with the money you save (as partial payment on the lens).

[jfinke]

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_1000D_Rebel_XS/

Another review / comparison.

[jdb0822]

looking at the canon xs and Sony A300. looking for a decent DSLR (this will be our first). Looking for a decent everyday camera as well as being able to take some great vacation pics. What are the pros and cons of each system?

[Steve's Girl]

I don't own either, so I can't comment on those two cameras specifically.

However, I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Try them both in the store. See which one feels the most comfortable to you. If a camera is awkward to you, you won't use it even though someone else may love it.

When I bought my first DSLR two years ago, I was sure I would get one of the Canon Rebel series since I had a Canon film SLR. However, when I tried the Rebel in the store, I didn't like it. I ended up with a Nikon.

[zackiedawg]

Exactly right...you really can't go wrong with either. Much more important is trying each and seeing if you happen to like the ergonomics and handling of one more than the other. No matter how good a camera is, you need to be comfortable with holding it, carrying it, shooting with it, and finding all the controls...one may end up fitting your hand better or having buttons better placed for you. Ergonomics can be very personal, so try them.

For features, they're pretty close...and in image quality. Better lenses on each equal better image quality...the bodies are a fairly close dead-heat. Price may be a factor, if one happens to be on sale or better priced.

They have different approaches to live view - about the only true difference between them. Canon's Live View is a slower focusing system, and slower in selection and operation...but offers two different modes, and features like zooming in for determining focus accuracy. Sony's Live View is simpler - easy to engage, with no zooming, but does not affect focus speed or shooting speed at all - only slowing the continous frame rate. Canon's system would be more useful if shooting lots of macro and closeup work, Sony's better if shooting movement, action, or standard handheld shots. Neither is 'better' - just two different approaches. Of course, using the optical viewfinder, they both perform normally like any DSLR camera.

If you look at them both, and determine that the ergonomics are both wonderful, and the price ends up being a draw...then you can start comparing feature-to-feature to decide which camera has more of the features you want. But you won't go wrong either way - there really aren't any bad DSLRs currently on the market!

[tyedye]

I'd like to get a new camera and am trying to decide which will be best for my purposes and what I'm willing to spend. I currently own a Panasonic FZ20 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz20/

I like to take pictures but am not sure if the XS would be too much camera for me. I bought an XSi months ago but returned it because I was unsure about spending that much on a camera that I didn't know how to fully use. I used to use a film SLR and it didn't have auto focus so I used alot of controls but have forgotten them over time.

The XS is less money than and XSi but more than the SX10. Both the XS and SX10 are at a price I am more comfortable spending. I liked the way the XSi was ready to take pics in an instant. The FZ20 would still be powering on and I could have taken 4-5 pics by the time it was ready. I know the SX10 will be slower in start up mode and basically overall but I also think it will be faster than my FZ20. The SX10 would be an upgrade from 12x to 20x zoom and from 5 mp to 10 mp.

I will be taking pics of my family, sports (soccer and swimming), vacations, and other stuff but mostly for memories not for art to hang on a wall. My oldest is starting to play soccer on a football field and I doubt I'll be on the field for any games and don't want to spend alot nor carry a super large telephoto lens so I'll just get what pics I can. I don't think I want to spend alot of money on lenses beyond the basic kit lens and the 55-250mm or 70-300mm.

I bought the book Understanding Exposure and read that and asked for Understanding Shutter Speed as a Christmas gift. After reading alot of info on this board and other sites, I do feel I have the basic understanding of what's involved and how to use a dSLR.

I have read reviews and have tried to research both camera's but still can't decide. Anyone have any comments or info to help me decide?

[alan]

It's never easy to choose, but here's my take on it.

In most (all?) circumstances, a well set-up dSLR with an appropriate lens will take a better picture than an equally well set-up compact camera. A dSLR is also generally faster in operation, though the P+S cameras are getting a lot better than they used to be.

However, a dSLR is not so much a camera as it is an invitation to spend lots more money on lenses.

Also, while the dSLR is faster if you have it set up properly, if you find that you've got the wrong lens attached, it takes a significant moment to switch to the correct lens.

Other things to think about:

* If you want to take indoor photographs without flash, or stop the action at sports events where the light is less than ideal, you want to be thinking dSLR.

* If you are thinking about using a camera on holiday, a dSLR and a couple of lenses become a heck of a lot of weight to carry around.

I'm not going to say "do this" because I don't know your circumstances well enough to do so. What I wil say is that I have a Canon 350D that I use for taking photographs at http://www.stagepics.co.uk. I like the camera for that task. But I am going to WDW in July '09, and for that I have bought a Canon SX1. The weight and inconvenience of the dSLR were too much for me. However, I wouldn't have bought it unless I had the dSLR for low-light work.

That probably hasn't helped much - sorry - but it's never an easy question to answer.

regards,
/alan

[bob100]

my $.02 -
the superzooms like the Canon SX10 can do a lot - telephoto zoom, macro, HD video, manual controls, and at a very affordable price. I have the predecessor canon model (S5) and use it all the time but considering all those features it still cannot do pics of indoor action sports or nighttime concerts with the clarity of daytime pics. If pics of indoor sports are important then buying the XSi and learning to use it may make sense. If 90% of your pics are outdoors or family settings then maybe a superzoom like the Panasonic FZ28 (only $250!) or the SX10 may be the best alternative. They both have great picture image quality. you can compare sample pics at www.flickr.com/cameras
note: I plan on buying something like the Canon XSi eventually because I want better pics in very low light and also need a faster shutter response in action pics like sports or flying birds. But I can see your hesitation because in most situations a good superzoom will do the job (and more) without spending a lot of $$$

[KCmike]

I was sort of in your boat. I have had several point and shoot cameras and the opportunity came up for me to buy an DSLR (canon xti) for $399 with an IS lens. Well I went ahead and jumped to the next stage. I am having trouble learning the ins and outs. I thought I would be able to see instant results but really haven't. I am having major second thoughts about returning it as I really don't have the income to afford multiple lenses. So I am contemplating taking the camera back. It gets very frustrating for me.

Canon makes good point and shoots as does some Panasonic which I am finding out.

Tough decisions. Good luck.

[boBQuincy]

"Too much" camera should not be a problem, the Xs has the same "auto" setting as a P&S, the camera takes care of everything. Even in "P" (program) mode they are almost fully automatic.

It would not be inexpensive to match the zoom ratio of a superzoom P&S *but* you also have the option of some very wide lenses, something few P&S provide. With the kit 18-55 and a 55-250 you have almost 14x, add a 10-22 and you have 25x with a wide angle a P&S can only dream of.

I suppose it comes down to your plans for the future and how much learning you want to do. The Xs certainly wins if you plan to expand your lens collection and spend some time learning camera settings. Otherwise the P&S might be the best choice.

[tyedye]

I guess I could say the FZ20 I own is too much camera if I go by what I said as I probably don't use half the features it has available to me too.

I was having a hard time accepting the cost of the XSi over the lower priced XS and SX10 IS or even the Panasonic FZ28. The current prices of these camera's is more what I'm comfortable spending.

I keep reading on some camera website boards about how people are leaving their dSLR's behind and selling them altogether to go with the larger zoom bridge camera's. Although I think in reading the specs, the XS w/kit lens is lighter than the SX10, my old FZ20 is heavier than both I think.

I have been happy with the pictures I have taken over the last 4 yrs with my FZ20. I do get frustrated with the number of throw aways though too. In some action shots alot of times I've missed the shot or it's out of focus (for whatever reason).

I think that maybe by using the XS, that I would be able to capture more images due to the speed of the camera where as a p&s will still have some delays, but with today's p&s they will probably be a bit faster than my old camera but I'm not sure if that would be a substantial upgrade where as the dSLR would be.

Video in the camera isn't a big deal to me as if I really want to have video of something I'll use our video camera or I also own a Canon A620 that I could bring too.

So I'll continue to read reviews, reports, and view pics from the camera to see if somehow someway I can make up my mind.:confused3

[michellem1118]

OK, here's my two cents on the issue...

Growing up, I learned photography on an old, fully manual Canon SLR 35mm camera that my parents have had for nearly 40 years now. I can still remember the excitement I felt when I got my first camera, that had autofocus and zoom (a p&s film camera, Olympus I believe). As technology advanced, I've always upgraded with it. In 2000 or 2001, I first saw an ad for a digital SLR, and decided then that I wanted one, but they were too pricy, so I just kept updating my p&s cameras - more MP, more features, more automation. And I've never been completely satisfied with the results that I've gotten.

So, over Thanksgiving, I finally made the jump to a digital SLR camera - the Canon XSi - and while there is a learning curve (or in my case, a relearning curve), I'm already getting better photos than I ever got on a p&s, especially indoors/in low-light situations. I got the camera and two versatile, image-stabilized lenses for under $800, and will add one more $85 lens next month (and maybe an external flash unit). This will give me a really good, amateur/enthusiast setup that should be more than sufficient until I learn a lot more about photography and can afford to upgrade to nicer lenses. I will be taking the whole set-up with me to Disney in March, along with our Olympus 1030SW p&s that is waterproof & shockproof for use at the waterparks & on water rides. I'm not worried about the weight - I have a backpack-style camera bag for it, and it's really not heavy to carry around all day.

For me, personally, the jump to DSLR was inevitable, and with any luck, it will take me a while to really grow into the camera, which should curb my constant desire for upgrades. :laughing:

[Pea-n-Me]

I wrote out a long response the other night but lost it.

If you put effort into learning to fully use a bridge camera, you can grow with it and get awesome shots with minimal effort and maximum convenience, no question. (And you can still get good shots even if you don't.) It works for many.

For me, making the jump to a dSLR came down to wanting to grow even more. I basically wanted to learn SLR photography once and for all, like I always wished I had when I was younger. Sure, there's a lot to it. But do I ever wish I didn't go that route? No. It's fun and I love it.

I, too, am astounded at how many people I read about leaving their dSLRs home. I can't imagine it, but give me a few years, who knows. I won't lie, there are times I wish I could just get the shot I want without having to "think" so much or work so hard. But when I do get it, it's very rewarding. Sometimes it seems they're still few and far between, but I can see that I'm getting better each time I use it.

That learning curve was fairly painful, especially at the beginning. It hit me recently that there was a good reason for that. There were three major things I had to learn in becoming a first time SLR/dSLR user. 1) I had to learn the basics of photography in and out; 2) I had to learn my camera and all the bells and whistles that come with and go along with it; and 3) I had to learn how to use editing software and other technology in order to make it all work. For someone like me, who kind of missed the boat on all of this stuff years ago, every one of those things was a huge challenge in and of itself. But the fact that I've learned it all (at least to the point I can feel moderately comfortable) - on my own - makes me feel pretty good about it. I guess you could say that if I can do it, I'm sure you can do it too. :) You just have to decide if that's the path you want to take, or not. (I will say that when my children were small, I don't think I would have had either the time or patience to do it. Fortunately, they're a little older now and my work schedule allows me time to devote to this as a hobby.)

Good luck with your decision. BTW, I'm going to add this The Learning Curve thread, which hopefully we can get going again.

[tyedye]

Thanks to all who have responded. One minute I'm ready to buy the XS, the next the SX10 so I'm still undecided.

I really like the speed of the dSLR and I'll need that when taking pics of action/sports. With my FZ20 I have managed to get a few good pics over the course of a season but I also have to take alot of pics to get that one shot. With the speed of a dSLR I would at least capture the shot more times than not so I would then need to concentrate on getting the right settings for the shot.

The XS (2 lens combo) is now like about $200 more than the SX10 and I'm comfortable with either price. The XSi is about $200 more than the XS and I'm not comfortable with that amount. At least I've ruled one camera out.:confused3

[Lynn5700]

Hey guys. I just bought a Cannon Rebel XS. This is my first DSLR camera so I was wondering if you guys could give me some tips on how to take good pictures.

I want to get really nice pictures of WISHES fireworks. what setting should I use?

Would you mind posting some pictures that you have taken with the camera?

Thank you!

[ukcatfan]

Check out the fireworks thread http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1474329

You should try to learn the manual modes and understand what makes up an exposure to get the most out of a DSLR. In particular, you need to learn how the aperture affects the depth of field (area in focus). That is something that you had much less control of on a p&s.

[Frantasmic]

Get a good view of the fireworks.

Get a big person to help you maintain your good view of the fireworks by pushing all the people who will cut in front of you.

Get a tripod.

Get a remote switch.

Learn how to do manual settings for white balance, aperture, and shutter.

Make sure your big person is still maintaining your good view.

Snap away.

Ohh and ahh at the colors.

Download your pictures, cross your fingers that some of them look really good, thank big person for keeping your view clear. Post your success so we can ohh and ahh too.

No guarantees and don't sue me if above method doesn't work.

[boBQuincy]

While I agree that learning to use Manual, Aperture, and Shutter modes are important steps into the world of serious photography I also feel that rushing into using these modes has ruined many a newbies photos. New SLR owners are often told that *real* photographers only use Manual (not true), and the photos will look better. Also not so. If we set the camera in Manual for 1/125 at f/8 and Program mode sets the camera the same I guarantee the images will be identical!

Don't be shy to use Auto and Program modes while learning the camera, those modes will almost always get the photo, while a mistake in other modes is likely to get a mess.

Now then, turning right around, Manual is mode is probably the best way to get those fireworks photos you want. Not just manual exposure but manual focus too. I use a Canon (one "n") Xsi, almost the same as your Xs, and a good start for fireworks settings is: ISO 100; F/16; 3 seconds. This will require a tripod or some camera support ($20 and up) and a remote shutter release (about $20 for the Canon RC-1).

Before the fireworks start, focus on a distant object (like a castle) then set the lens to manual focus so it doesn't move. The reason for this is that if the fireworks are not on one of the focus points the camera will not take the picture, manual focus makes it take the picture regardless. This also saves time since the camera is already focused. Trigger the camera with the remote when you see the fireworks going up and you should get the entire burst. Play with the settings, f/11, 2 seconds, 4 seconds, etc.
White balance has noreal meaning if you use RAW (and there are many reasons why you should).

Here is one of my photos using these settings:
http://suzieandbob.com/wdw/feb_09/illum_1576.jpg

If you really don't want to go to all this trouble you can still get some passable fireworks photos in Program mode but the settings (other than ISO) are iffy. The camera has a hard time figuring out a bright light on a dark background so don’t expect them to be as good as the Manual method. And *have fun*!

As for getting some big guy to keep people out of the way, as Jafar said, "The idea has merit...". ;)

[Lynn5700]

WOW that's an awesome picture.


Thanks for the help.

[annnewjerz]

First, I happen to be a secret (or not so secret anymore) lurker on the Disney Weddings board even though I've been married for years and have to say, I really enjoyed your wedding/honeymoon TR and loved the pic of you with the Disney tattoo guy :rotfl:

Anywho, congrats on the purchase and can't wait to see some pics! As others have said, you should definitely check out Mark's "How to Shoot Fireworks" thread---it has lots of helpful information. It seems the most important things for getting great fireworks shots are: tripod/beanbag/trashcan/etc., remote shutter release, manual focus set and of course---a clear shot in front of you free of big heads or kids on their parents' shoulders :headache:

Have fun getting to know your camera and if you have any questions, this is a great board to ask on---lots of people willing to help out us newbs!! :goodvibes

[Lynn5700]

First, I happen to be a secret (or not so secret anymore) lurker on the Disney Weddings board even though I've been married for years and have to say, I really enjoyed your wedding/honeymoon TR and loved the pic of you with the Disney tattoo guy :rotfl:

Anywho, congrats on the purchase and can't wait to see some pics! As others have said, you should definitely check out Mark's "How to Shoot Fireworks" thread---it has lots of helpful information. It seems the most important things for getting great fireworks shots are: tripod/beanbag/trashcan/etc., remote shutter release, manual focus set and of course---a clear shot in front of you free of big heads or kids on their parents' shoulders :headache:

Have fun getting to know your camera and if you have any questions, this is a great board to ask on---lots of people willing to help out us newbs!! :goodvibes

Hi!! Thank you so much lol!

I love that thread. It has helped!!!

I'm so nervous. I hope I can get some good shots.

[Lynn5700]

Ok dumb question.... how do I set how many seconds I want?

[annnewjerz]

Ok dumb question.... how do I set how many seconds I want?

I don't have this camera, so I don't know where your controls are, but you can adjust both the aperture and shutter speed by switching to M mode and then (on my camera) rotating the appropriate dials until the display indicates the correct settings. If you look in your manual there should be a diagram of all of the buttons, etc. and it probably tells you there which dials/buttons you need to use.

[Angrypenguin]

I don't have this camera, so I don't know where your controls are, but you can adjust both the aperture and shutter speed by switching to M mode and then (on my camera) rotating the appropriate dials until the display indicates the correct settings. If you look in your manual there should be a diagram of all of the buttons, etc. and it probably tells you there which dials/buttons you need to use.

Hey Lynn! annnewjerz got it right if you want to set it to full manual. If you want shutter priority, set it to "Tv" and start rotating the knob. You should start seeing the shutter speed on the back LCD start to change; from like 1/125 of a second to 1/25 or what not, eventually crossing over to half a second, 1 sec, etc.

[Lynn5700]

I don't have this camera, so I don't know where your controls are, but you can adjust both the aperture and shutter speed by switching to M mode and then (on my camera) rotating the appropriate dials until the display indicates the correct settings. If you look in your manual there should be a diagram of all of the buttons, etc. and it probably tells you there which dials/buttons you need to use.

Ok I got it lol! Thanks for your help!

Hey Lynn! annnewjerz got it right if you want to set it to full manual. If you want shutter priority, set it to "Tv" and start rotating the knob. You should start seeing the shutter speed on the back LCD start to change; from like 1/125 of a second to 1/25 or what not, eventually crossing over to half a second, 1 sec, etc.

OOOOOH LOL... so that is the seconds LOL! I'm such a tart.

Ok so I read in my manual that you can use BULB for fireworks. Do you guys do that?

[annnewjerz]

Ok I got it lol! Thanks for your help!



OOOOOH LOL... so that is the seconds LOL! I'm such a tart.

Ok so I read in my manual that you can use BULB for fireworks. Do you guys do that?


Bulb is a nice feature to use if you have a remote (which you probably should for fireworks). Bulb allows you to press the remote once to open the shutter and then it won't close until you press the button again. This means, you can have some pictures that are 4 seconds, some that are 10, some that are 6, etc.

[Lynn5700]

Oh ok cool! Thank you so much for all the help guys. I feel a million times better now that I know what I'm doing lol!

[ariel1025]

Hey everyone!!

I am looking to buy a new camera and in desperate need of your help. Every time I try to make a decision I just end up flustered and undecided.:scared:

I have narrowed it down to either the Nikon D60 or the Canon Rebel XS. For the price range that I am comfortable with these are the two that I am drawn to. But, once I try to make my final decision...I just can't do it :confused3

If anybody owns either one of these I would really appreciate if you could post a picture of any of the following:

1. An action shot (sports, kids playing, parades etc)
2. Fireworks shot (over Cinderella's castle is even better ;))
3. Nighttime shot with flash
4. Nighttime shot without flash
5. Indoor shot
6. "dark ride" shot without flash (i.e. Snow White's Scary Adventure ride)
7. Close up / detailed shot (using zoom and when it's right in front of you)

If they have been edited with Photoshop etc. I would really appreciate it if you could let me know. I am interested in pictures both before and after the editing process.

Thank you for all your help:goodvibes

[My2Girls66]

I am a Nikon person but the best thing to do is handle them to see which feels best in your hands. Both are nice- if you get the one that feels best you won't be sorry.

[MICKEY88]

I agree with My2Girls66

your list of photos really isn't a good way to choose between the 2 cameras..

different lenses, apertures, shutterspeed and isos would yield different results, for instance if dark ride pics were taken with one camera using a slow lens, low iso ,and low shutter speed,small aperture they would be blurred,and underexposed
then shoot the same pics with the other camera using fast lens high iso and proper shutter and aperture , you would have great pics...

this would not be an accurate representation of the quality of the camera.

you could only do this test accurately under controlled circumstances...

same photographer, same settings same focal length and quality lens...

so it's best to 1. hold both cameras to see which is more comfortable and which control layout works best for you, see which system best fits your needs as far as lenses..etc...

2. go to a place like steves digicam and read the reviews...

[YesDear]

I am also a Nikon person but agree. You need to go and play with both. For the pictures you want to take either of the models will take those pictures with practice and decent glass on the camera.

I hope I am not misreading your question, but you are asking a question that many unfamiliar with photography ask. It is actually the wrong question. Many who do not know, think it is the camera that takes the great picture. For example, look at the pictures taken by Mark and Gdad and many others on this board. If you look back at their posts you will find they took great pictures with several different cameras. It is their understanding of what they are doing that makes the shot. The fancy camera and the glass they use gives them better tools but does not change their ability.

What I believe you should be asking is the camera I choose give me the capabilities to do what I want and will that camera line allow me to grow as I want.

I have a friend who shoots weddings all the time with a Nikon D40.

Ask any of the photographers on this board how frustrating it is to be out and have someone see them with their gear and have people say, that is a great looking camera. I bet IT takes great pictures!

Pick the camera and the system you like and will use and learn. Brand does not really matter as long as it is Nikon!!! LOL.

[Angrypenguin]

I wanted to just third the opinion of Mickey88 and Yesdear; for those types of photos, the answer to the question of Canon or Nikon is..."yes." The photos you'd like to take have little to do with the camera and a lot to do with technique.

Try both cameras, hold them in your hand, and read reviews online. I chose Canon because of the huge selection of lenses. Camera bodies come and go, but good glass will stay with you a very long time. Both are excellent cameras, and have wonderful tools to help you get the shot you want.

[MICKEY88]

Ask any of the photographers on this board how frustrating it is to be out and have someone see them with their gear and have people say, that is a great looking camera. I bet IT takes great pictures!

Pick the camera and the system you like and will use and learn. Brand does not really matter as long as it is Nikon!!! LOL.

Although we know that Sony is better...:cool1:


I recently stumbled upon this cartoon that fits so well..

http://images43.fotki.com/v1386/photos/8/86568/336006/whattheduck-vi.jpg

[wdwwishes]

I agree with everyone here. Get out and see them, hold them etc. Look at the features. What ones will you/can you use immediately, what ones can you learn to use. I currently have a Canon Rebel xTi and am about to purchase the newere 50D. Look at those too. If your budget would allow it, the offer a lot. I also agree tithe the bit about the lens. When you talk about the pictures you want/like to take, that's where the different lenses come into play. So, while you're looking at the camera bodies themselves, put the different lenses on. You can't go wrong with either brand.

[annnewjerz]

http://images43.fotki.com/v1386/photos/8/86568/336006/whattheduck-vi.jpg

:thumbsup2

[jfinke]

Also, keep in mind that you are purchasing into a system. So the further you go into the system, the more expensive it is to change your mind at a later date. This is vs. PnS where everything is self contained and it really doesn't matter if you switch brands at a later date.

[tiggerunner]

I just went through this and ended up with the Nikon D90. I will say I find it to be more user friendly for an old lady like me. I agree that you have to go try them a bit and see how they feel. The Nikon also seemed a bit lighter to me.pirate:

[bob100]

I also went through this and ended up with the Canon XSi,
You can see sample pics and compare DSLR camera models at
www.flickr.com/cameras

[boBQuincy]

One thing that gets little mention is how the camera "handles", apart from how it feels in your hands. What this refers to is how easy it is for you to change settings and modes. Unless you plan to leave it in Auto the handling is one of the big differentiators between models, and why I would not consider a Canon Rebel until the Xsi.

Change exposure program settings, shutter speed, aperture, ISO, exposure compensation, etc. See if the buttons are located where it makes sense and good ergonomics or if the settings are buried three menus deep. Check how easy (or difficult) it is to bracket exposures and to use a remote release, or to change flash exposure.

Chances are if some of these functions are difficult to use that we will skip them and lose out on some good photo opportunities.

[annnewjerz]

One thing that gets little mention is how the camera "handles", apart from how it feels in your hands. What this refers to is how easy it is for you to change settings and modes. Unless you plan to leave it in Auto the handling is one of the big differentiators between models, and why I would not consider a Canon Rebel until the Xsi.

Change exposure program settings, shutter speed, aperture, ISO, exposure compensation, etc. See if the buttons are located where it makes sense and good ergonomics or if the settings are buried three menus deep. Check how easy (or difficult) it is to bracket exposures and to use a remote release, or to change flash exposure.

Chances are if some of these functions are difficult to use that we will skip them and lose out on some good photo opportunities.

Even with my little bit of experience, I couldn't agree more. Maybe it's because I've only had Nikons now---but a co-worker brought in her Olympus to show me the other day and she had it on auto mode and was mentioning sometimes that she wishes she could do more editing to her photos. I asked her if she ever considered shooting in RAW and made one very vain attempt at finding it in her menu and gave up. It was SO CONFUSING to me. I almost didn't even figure out how to turn the camera on.

Now I know, if you ever want to feel like a real idiot, pick up another brand of camera and try to find ISO, WB, Image Quality....anything. :rotfl: ;)

[boBQuincy]

Now I know, if you ever want to feel like a real idiot, pick up another brand of camera and try to find ISO, WB, Image Quality....anything. :rotfl: ;)

On the other hand, some camera brands are starting to become quite similar. On my past WDW trip I was photographing near Spaceship Earth and with a tripod and all I must have appeared as a PhotoPass photographer to some. One couple handed me their PhotoPass card and after realizing I did not work there asked if I could take their photo with their camera.

It was a Nikon dSLR (of course I use Canon, wanting nothing but the best) but all the controls felt familiar, even the flash button. Maybe some of the manufacturers are actually listening to photographers and responding with cameras that are intuitive to use! Ha, next they may end the megapixel wars... ;)

[Pea-n-Me]

Even with my little bit of experience, I couldn't agree more. Maybe it's because I've only had Nikons now---but a co-worker brought in her Olympus to show me the other day and she had it on auto mode and was mentioning sometimes that she wishes she could do more editing to her photos. I asked her if she ever considered shooting in RAW and made one very vain attempt at finding it in her menu and gave up. It was SO CONFUSING to me. I almost didn't even figure out how to turn the camera on.

Now I know, if you ever want to feel like a real idiot, pick up another brand of camera and try to find ISO, WB, Image Quality....anything. :rotfl: ;)
This is very true!

The Olympus was the one I liked the feel of and found most intutitive of the ones I tried out. It took me a long time to get comfortable with finding things, but, as a newbie, that would have been the case with anything I bought. (It probably would have taken me even longer if I hadn't spent 15 months learning to fully use my Canon S3 IS.) Tell your friend it might be helpful to pick up a copy of the Magic Lantern DVD - I watch it every now and then and every time I do, I learn more. This is why I can't imagine moving up to a more advanced model at this point in time.

[Pea-n-Me]

I am looking to buy a new camera and in desperate need of your help. Every time I try to make a decision I just end up flustered and undecided.:scared:

If anybody owns either one of these I would really appreciate if you could post a picture of any of the following:

1. An action shot (sports, kids playing, parades etc)
2. Fireworks shot (over Cinderella's castle is even better ;))
3. Nighttime shot with flash Won't see many of these.
4. Nighttime shot without flash
5. Indoor shot
6. dark ride" shot without flash (i.e. Snow White's Scary Adventure ride) Hope so. ;)
7. Close up / detailed shot (using zoom and when it's right in front of you)

If they have been edited with Photoshop etc. I would really appreciate it if you could let me know. I am interested in pictures both before and after the editing process.

Have you spent a good long time studying all there is to know about dSLRs in general? If not, I'd recommend you stop worrying about brands and models right now and concentrate on what dSLRs are all about and what you want to accomplish with one.

An experienced eye can usually tell which pictures have been edited a bit, and which haven't been, which makes me think this may all be really pretty new to you. (Nothing wrong with that.) Don't rush into buying before you're really ready.

I had an impasse like this when I was buying, too, and just stepped back and stopped thinking about it for a while. When I did, it became pretty clear which one the right one was. Good luck.

[MAGICX2]

I got a really good deal on a Canon Rebel XS camera with a 15-75 lens and also a 75-300 lens. Very nice camera. However, I think it might be a little more than I bargained for. ;) All the different settings are totally mind boggling! Not to mention the fact that I feel like I am switching lenses every 2 minutes. I am so used to holding my camera up and pushing the button and wahla, picture. We only use the cameras for sports, special events and vacations.
My recommendation to anyone considering this camera is to carefully consider what you really need the camera for and to think long and hard about how much effort you want to put into operating your camera.:rolleyes:

The feature I liked the most about the Rebel is the rapid shooting sequence. Does anyone know if there are any point and shoot cameras that have this feature?

[VVFF]

I got a really good deal on a Canon Rebel XS camera with a 15-75 lens and also a 75-300 lens. Very nice camera. However, I think it might be a little more than I bargained for. ;) All the different settings are totally mind boggling! Not to mention the fact that I feel like I am switching lenses every 2 minutes. I am so used to holding my camera up and pushing the button and wahla, picture. We only use the cameras for sports, special events and vacations.
My recommendation to anyone considering this camera is to carefully consider what you really need the camera for and to think long and hard about how much effort you want to put into operating your camera.:rolleyes:

The feature I liked the most about the Rebel is the rapid shooting sequence. Does anyone know if there are any point and shoot cameras that have this feature?

There is no 15-75mm lens. If you have one I sure would like to have one myself! ;)

If your are switching lenses all the time that means you didn't buy a lens that covers your typical shooting range. Perhaps you just need something like the 18-200mm. You give up image quality but gain versatility. Personally I found as I got better at photography I used zoom less and less. I find that long focal lengths often result in "boring" pictures for the subjects I often capture.

Some people are definitely point and shoot types. If you aren't interested in manual controls at all then I don't think a SLR is right for you. It really isn't as hard as it sounds but some people don't have the patience or desire to learn how to deal with all of them. That's why there are different products out there though...everybody likes something different.

[brunette8706]

Where did you get this "good" deal? I'm looking for a Canon myself.

thanks!

[Angrypenguin]

Hi brunette,

See the Canon Instant Rebate thread :)

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2170281

[boBQuincy]

I got a really good deal on a Canon Rebel XS camera with a 15-75 lens and also a 75-300 lens. Very nice camera. However, I think it might be a little more than I bargained for. ;) All the different settings are totally mind boggling! Not to mention the fact that I feel like I am switching lenses every 2 minutes. I am so used to holding my camera up and pushing the button and wahla, picture. We only use the cameras for sports, special events and vacations.
My recommendation to anyone considering this camera is to carefully consider what you really need the camera for and to think long and hard about how much effort you want to put into operating your camera.:rolleyes:

The feature I liked the most about the Rebel is the rapid shooting sequence. Does anyone know if there are any point and shoot cameras that have this feature?

I agree with the idea of using a 18-200 lens if you don't want to change lenses but the complexity is really only what we make it. A Rebel can be used in Auto or Program with very little operational difference from a P&S, and still deliver most of what we like about a SLR.

Set the camera to P, set the ISO to Auto, leave most of the rest on default settings, and let it do it's thing. It's pretty simple that way yet I take most of my photos using P mode and they come out ok.

[zackiedawg]

I got a really good deal on a Canon Rebel XS camera with a 15-75 lens and also a 75-300 lens. Very nice camera. However, I think it might be a little more than I bargained for. ;) All the different settings are totally mind boggling! Not to mention the fact that I feel like I am switching lenses every 2 minutes. I am so used to holding my camera up and pushing the button and wahla, picture. We only use the cameras for sports, special events and vacations.

Don't feel too out of place. While everyone who is into photography will tell you how a DSLR is just a must have...it's true that simply not everyone wants or needs one. Maybe that's you. Not everyone needs a Ferrari, performance-capable as it may be...some folks are fine with a Camry or an Accord that does everything they need it to do, and easier.

My recommendation to anyone considering this camera is to carefully consider what you really need the camera for and to think long and hard about how much effort you want to put into operating your camera.:rolleyes:

Very good advice. Unfortunate that a lot of people don't know or take that advice, and a lot of them are using far too much camera, or far more than they'll ever be comfortable using. The sad thing is that it hurts their photography - they are so uncomfortable with the big, heavy DSLRs and interchangeable lenses, so overwhelmed by the controls and abilities, that they just leave it in auto and only shoot when they absolutely must have a photo. They don't take as many photos because it's too much of a task or effort. These folks really would be better served with a nice ultra-zoom or prosumer, which has some decent abilities to be a jack of all trades, even if it is a master of none (and in some cases, the extreme Swiss-Army-Knife design of these ultrazooms make them far more useful for the casual snapshooter or holiday photographer...massive lens range from moderately wide to extreme telephoto - which would require 2 or 3 DSLR lenses to match...lightweight compact bodies, and live-view shooting which does eliminate some of the guesswork on how a shot will turn out for those less skilled in manipulating the controls to get the shot they need).

The feature I liked the most about the Rebel is the rapid shooting sequence. Does anyone know if there are any point and shoot cameras that have this feature?

Absolutely. Your Canon Rebel XS actually has a fairly average 3 frame-per-second continuous shooting mode...there are some very capable ultrazooms and advanced P&S models which can meet or exceed that. Canon's own SX1-IS can shoot 4 f.p.s. Sony's HX1 can shoot as fast as 10 f.p.s. in 1 second, or 5 f.p.s. for 2 seconds of shooting. Casio's EX-F1 can shoot a rather astounding 60 f.p.s. for 1 second, or 5 f.p.s. for 12 seconds of shooting. Several others, such as the Fuji S100FS, Panasonic FZ28, Nikon L100, and Olympus SP-590UZ can do 3 f.p.s. or better. Most of the above have 12-15x lenses, covering wide angles of 26-36mm (depending on camera) up to telephoto ranges of 420-560mm. All have image stabilization and a raft of manual controls, and prices range from upper $200s to a lot more.

If you don't need to do a lot of low light handheld shooting, action sports shooting (not your kids' soccer game, but real professional indoor sports), or serious wildlife in motion shooting...then you should be able to get fine results from any of these cameras. All are capable of gorgeous images on a 24"+ monitor, and photo-quality prints at 8x10.

[MAGICX2]

There is no 15-75mm lens. If you have one I sure would like to have one myself! ;)
Sorry! I miss typed and didn't catch it. It is a 18-55mm lens.

Don't feel too out of place. While everyone who is into photography will tell you how a DSLR is just a must have...it's true that simply not everyone wants or needs one. Maybe that's you. Not everyone needs a Ferrari, performance-capable as it may be...some folks are fine with a Camry or an Accord that does everything they need it to do, and easier.



Very good advice. Unfortunate that a lot of people don't know or take that advice, and a lot of them are using far too much camera, or far more than they'll ever be comfortable using. The sad thing is that it hurts their photography - they are so uncomfortable with the big, heavy DSLRs and interchangeable lenses, so overwhelmed by the controls and abilities, that they just leave it in auto and only shoot when they absolutely must have a photo. They don't take as many photos because it's too much of a task or effort. These folks really would be better served with a nice ultra-zoom or prosumer, which has some decent abilities to be a jack of all trades, even if it is a master of none (and in some cases, the extreme Swiss-Army-Knife design of these ultrazooms make them far more useful for the casual snapshooter or holiday photographer...massive lens range from moderately wide to extreme telephoto - which would require 2 or 3 DSLR lenses to match...lightweight compact bodies, and live-view shooting which does eliminate some of the guesswork on how a shot will turn out for those less skilled in manipulating the controls to get the shot they need).



Absolutely. Your Canon Rebel XS actually has a fairly average 3 frame-per-second continuous shooting mode...there are some very capable ultrazooms and advanced P&S models which can meet or exceed that. Canon's own SX1-IS can shoot 4 f.p.s. Sony's HX1 can shoot as fast as 10 f.p.s. in 1 second, or 5 f.p.s. for 2 seconds of shooting. Casio's EX-F1 can shoot a rather astounding 60 f.p.s. for 1 second, or 5 f.p.s. for 12 seconds of shooting. Several others, such as the Fuji S100FS, Panasonic FZ28, Nikon L100, and Olympus SP-590UZ can do 3 f.p.s. or better. Most of the above have 12-15x lenses, covering wide angles of 26-36mm (depending on camera) up to telephoto ranges of 420-560mm. All have image stabilization and a raft of manual controls, and prices range from upper $200s to a lot more.

If you don't need to do a lot of low light handheld shooting, action sports shooting (not your kids' soccer game, but real professional indoor sports), or serious wildlife in motion shooting...then you should be able to get fine results from any of these cameras. All are capable of gorgeous images on a 24"+ monitor, and photo-quality prints at 8x10.
Thank you! This is exactly the info I needed to hear!:thumbsup2

[MAGICX2]

Where did you get this "good" deal? I'm looking for a Canon myself.

thanks!

I didn't use a rebate. I purchased it on special at Sears. Here is the link to where/how I purchased it.
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2170382

But, i don't know if its still on sale.

[bdtracey]

zackiedawg - as per usual you're right on the money!

Just before I bought my XSi I was in the same boat as the OP. For me, the low light capabilites won hands down. Especially now that you've helped me with me nifty fifty. The last few shots I've taken with it have been spot on mainly due to bumping the ISO and properly exposing....sorry for going OT.

MAGICX2 - Canon's SX1-IS is a wonderful camera! I personally haven't tinkered with it but good friends of mine have a predecessor to it and it (along with their skilled hands) takes very nice pictures. It isn't as good as a DSLR can be in low light but I know many people that have this camera or one like it that absolutely love it.

I'm sure that if PhotobearSam was around this thread she'd second this and I bet she even misses a few of the options from her S5-IS.

[jann1033]

I got a really good deal on a Canon Rebel XS camera with a 15-75 lens and also a 75-300 lens. Very nice camera. However, I think it might be a little more than I bargained for. ;) All the different settings are totally mind boggling! Not to mention the fact that I feel like I am switching lenses every 2 minutes. I am so used to holding my camera up and pushing the button and wahla, picture. We only use the cameras for sports, special events and vacations.
My recommendation to anyone considering this camera is to carefully consider what you really need the camera for and to think long and hard about how much effort you want to put into operating your camera.:rolleyes:

The feature I liked the most about the Rebel is the rapid shooting sequence. Does anyone know if there are any point and shoot cameras that have this feature?

good advice, many people don't really want a dslr but think they do till they get it:rotfl:
however, you have plenty of auto settings, just leave it on that side of the dial then if you ever want to branch out read the manual and you can. really you shouldn't need to change the lens that much. just think a little about what you are going to take , ie if you are taking something from sporting event and are sitting in the bleachers, you probably would have the 75 on, if you are taking landscape type shots on vacation go with the 18. if you want to take a shot of the family either would work ok depending on the size of the room;)

[brunette8706]

Hi All!

I just purchased my Canon XS for $599.00 along with a 46 inch LCD Samsung flat screen TV at BEST BUY!

If anyone is interested they have 36 months INTEREST FREE if purchased in the store.

Anyway I haven't had a chance to really play with it. I hope I made a decent choice. I am a novice photographer and I didn't want to spend too much money. I really wanted the movie mode which the Canon T1i has but it's $899.00 way too much money for me to spend right now.

Brunette

[JeffPoth]

Keep in mind that you can only get the 36 months when you purchase a tv 999.99 and up

[DisneyFairytale]

It's a decent camera to start out with. You can take some decent shots once you learn how to use all the settings. Make sure to share your shots :)

[boBQuincy]

Oh, you made more than a decent choice! Even though it is an entry level SLR Canon's Xs is a very capable camera. Read the manual, read it again, learn to use the (many) features of the camera and it can provide exceptional photographs.
Start with the modes, P, Av, Tv; then look at exposure compensation and AEB; and always use RAW for best image quality.

[brunette8706]

Hey Jeff-

Yes, I guess that is true. But they do have 18 months interest FREE for all purchases of $499.00 or more. Their prices are very reasonable also.


Hi Bob-

Thanks for the tips! I will make sure to read the manual believe in me! LOL Also, thanks for your tips I really appreciate it.

Hi DisneyFairytale-

I will certainly post some of the pics! I will be back at Disney May 29 - June 9th! I hope to get some good shots there!

Brunette

[MandJ112009]

Hi everyone!

We have owned our Canon XS for a couple months now and are just starting to play with settings outside of auto. We were at a wedding Saturday night taking lots of photos and I had the camera in portrait mode. It would only take pictures when it wanted to!! The flash would just flicker and flicker and then sometimes it would take the picture and other times I would give up. I missed a lot of great shots due to this. I love my camera but I love it when it takes quick shots, one right after the other. I do not like it so much when I miss great shots because it's being stubborn. SO, my question is, would an external flash solve this problem?? (it was pretty dark in the room we were in in). AND, if an external flash will help...any advice on which one to get? I know NOTHING about flashes at all. We don't want to spend a ton of money on the flash. ANY advice would be much appreciated!!!

We are currently looking at a Speedlite 270EX Flash Light (around $140) and the Canon Speedlite 220EX Flash Light (around $180). I have no idea what what xxxEX means. Is one of these better then the other?

Thanks!
Melissa

[Frantasmic]

It does sound like your auto-focus and flash weren't in sync, or the camera was "telling" you that it couldn't find something to focus on. I've had that problem with a different Rebel camera, but it was usually focusing on things in the distance. It does flicker and will take a picture eventually.

It does sound like the mode you selected impacted your ability to shoot the pictures you wanted.

The Canon flashes made for the Canon line all work well. However, they are a bit expensive.

Here's a pretty good non-Canon flash:

http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/531665099.htm

Here's the the medium canon flash:

http://www.wolfcamera.com/product/541162715.htm

[Code]

The reason the flash is strobing is to help the camera auto focus in dim light. If it isn't able to get a focus lock, it won't take the picture.

An external flash with a focus assist light will definitely work better (and be far less annoying) than flash strobing.. the 220EX has a focus light, the 270EX doesn't. I know very little about the 220EX but I don't think it's much more powerful than your popup flash.. the only real benefit would be the focus assist, and it doesn't seem to be a very bright assist lamp (specs say it's effective to 16 ft).

Move up to the next level (Canon 430EX) and you get a much more powerful flash, more powerful AF assist light, and the ability to tilt the flash head so you can do bounce flash.

There are decent third party options for cheaper, but the only one I have experience with is the Sigma EF-530 DG Super ($240), and I can recommend it.

[boBQuincy]

The guide number listed for the Xs built-in flash is 13 meters, the 220EX is 22 meters, meaning the 220EX is about three times as powerful as the built-in flash. That is not as much as it sounds like but it does extend your range to about 1.7 times as much as without the external flash. The new 270EX is about the same power as the 220EX although it is smaller and has bounce capability (both nice features).

Flash power is not the only reason for using an external flash, cycle time counts for a lot and almost any external flash will recycle much faster than the built-in. More power also means you can use a diffuser, for a softer look.

[timandlesley]

So for you Rebel owners out there, what overall advice can you give? I bought this for overall quality of pictures to improve and HOPEFULLY for next time we're in the world to actually be able to capture some decent night time shots (our old camera was AWFUL) and fireworks shots. Any advice MUCH appreciated!:thumbsup2
Lesley

[disneyboy2003]

My overall advice would be to practice, practice, practice! :)

Oh, and for fireworks, you'll need a tripod, and use the Night setting on your camera. Believe it or not, there's already a 12-page thread on this board with instructions on how to shoot fireworks: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1474329

Hope that helps! :)

[Lachesis00]

I take almost the same quality photos on my Canon 40d as I did on my Sony 717. I loved that camera!! My dh lost it :( I've been shooting for years and years. Praticing for years and years.

I'm learning manual shooting better.

[boBQuincy]

Nightime photos, check!

http://www.suzieandbob.com/wdw/sep2009/monday/sse_5239.jpg

Camera Model: Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XSi
Date/Time: 2009:09:21 20:48:05
Shutter speed: 0.5 sec
Aperture: 8
Exposure mode: Av
Exposure compensation: -2
Metering mode: Evaluative
ISO: 200
Lens: 24 to 105mm

Fireworks, check!

http://www.suzieandbob.com/wdw/sep2009/monday/roe_5279.jpg

Camera Model: Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XSi
Date/Time: 2009:09:21 21:10:19
Shutter speed: 6 sec
Aperture: 16
Exposure mode: Manual
Metering mode: Evaluative
ISO: 100
Lens: 24 to 105mm
Focal length: 35mm
AF mode: Manual Focus

Although these were taken with a Xsi and 24-105 there would be little difference between this equipment and a Xs with 18-55 for this kind of photography. What the exif does not show is that a tripod and remote shutter release was used. ;)
Get those items and you are ready to go! :)

[Phil'sFrontier]

If you haven't already, invest in some good software for processing raw photo's( I assume you are shooting raw...well just because)
I absolutely LOVE Adobe's Lightroom. I have version 1, never tried 2 but I am sure it is a million times better!

[mom2rtk]

If you want good night shots at the World, you will need a tripod and a remote shutter release. You can leave it in a locker until evening. Without a tripod, even the best camera might not get the job done...... With a tripod, even a small point and shoot can get some good shots........

[ssanders79]

I am going to state the obvious, but most commonly overlooked tip. Read your camera's manual. Know what each button, setting, ect.. does. Learing your equipment is the first step to taking good photos.

[Lynn5700]

Hey guys! I need some help! I want to get a new zoom lens and a lens that takes pictures in pirates and other dark rides. Is that lens the nifty fifty? What else can I do with that lens? What zoom lens do you recommend? Thanks!

[annnewjerz]

A couple things, Lynn:

1. When you say a "zoom" lens, do you mean a telephoto lens (a lens with a longer focal length than the 18-55 kit)? If so, I don't use Canon but I see a lot of people posting about and using this one. It's the Canon 55-250 IS, make sure you get it with IS since at the longer focal lengths like 250, shake from handholding is more noticable.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-55-250mm-4-0-5-6-Telephoto-Digital/dp/B0011NVMO8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258559272&sr=8-1

2. What is your budget? If you are looking to spend more money, Canon's 70-200 f/4 IS lens is considered optically superior to the one I mentioned above, but comes with a heftier price tag, as well as a heavier weight since it is a fixed aperture lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-70-200mm-Lens-Digital-Cameras/dp/B000I1X3W8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258559396&sr=1-1

3. The Canon 50mm f/1.8 (nifty fifty) will help you get shots on the dark rides, but you will need to take the camera off of "auto" to get them. Getting good shots on the dark rides requires setting your ISO higher and more oftentimes than not, shooting in either "shutter priority" or "aperture priority" mode. Other than the dark ride shots, you can get creative with a shallow Depth of Field (i.e. an subject nice and clear and the background is blurry). I only had the nifty fifty a few months before upgrading to the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 (which comes in a Canon mount), but here are a few non-dark ride sample pictures.

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Furry-Friends/My-Pets/Nan/409452416_WWytk-M.jpg

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Furry-Friends/My-Pets/Toby2/409456530_44mq8-M.jpg

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Other/Macro/Roses1/475585995_3vghw-M.jpg

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Holidays/Christmas-08/Christmas-Ornament-1/713772998_GSdM2-M.jpg

Hope that helps and let us know if you have more questions!

Ann

[Lynn5700]

Thanks Annie! Yeah, I want a lens that will let me zoom in on things. The first one you listed should be fine.

I definitely want the Nifty Fitfty too! Those pictures are beautiful. What setting would you recommend for the dark rides?

[annnewjerz]

Thanks Annie! Yeah, I want a lens that will let me zoom in on things. The first one you listed should be fine.

I definitely want the Nifty Fitfty too! Those pictures are beautiful. What setting would you recommend for the dark rides?

The setting vary hugely depending on what ride you are on. Some "dark" rides like Small World are actually more dim than dark, so you wouldn't need as high of an ISO setting. On rides like Haunted Mansion and Pirates, I would think you will need to use shutter priority mode, set your ISO to the max (which is probably 1600) and then set your shutter speed to 1/50 or so depending on how steady your hands are. On Haunted Mansion and Pirates, I wouldn't expect to get many shots, but you should be able to get some.

There is a whole thread on "How To Shoot Dark Rides" just like there was on "How To Shoot Fireworks"---it should be in one of the sticky threads at the top of the page, but if I can find the link I'll edit this post and put it here.

Edited to add: Here is the thread on how to shoot dark rides. You should take a look, I've only been to WDW with my dslr once, so I'm not the best source of advice when it comes to WDW.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2212739&highlight=shoot+dark+rides

[Lynn5700]

Thank you so much Annie! I knew I could count on you girl :)

I'm going to check out that link now. Thank you!

[boBQuincy]

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Furry-Friends/My-Pets/Nan/409452416_WWytk-M.jpg

http://www.andrealusasphotography.com/For-Fun/Furry-Friends/My-Pets/Toby2/409456530_44mq8-M.jpg

What sweet looking cats! :)

To answer the original post, the 50mm f/1.8 is the inexpensive way into low-light photography. It may be a little long for some of the indoor rides but the next wider f/1.8 is a *lot* more $$$. The 50 with your highest ISO (and maybe some noise reduction software) should capture some scenes in Pirates and maybe Haunted Mansion. Getting the camera to lock on focus may be a challenge.

The 50 is a good portrait lens too, although it's bokeh is not the smoothest. I sometimes use mine for stage photography but it isn't the fastest at focusing.

As for longer zoom lenses it is hard to go wrong with Canon's 55-250 unless you have some $$$ to spend and want a wider aperture, then the 70-200 f/4 (non-IS) is a very good lens.

[bob100]

for $100 you really can't go wrong with the 50mm 1.8, the Canon 55-250 is also a good buy but it's more of an outdoors good light telephoto lens. Large aperture telephoto zooms for indoor and/or night action shots cost a whole lot more!

[Frantasmic]

Some lenses to check out, depending on how much you REALLY want to get those shots.

The canon L lens 70-200 f2.8 (even then, this isn't fast enough for some of the darker rides).

The Sigma equivalent of the above at about half the price.

Any of these Canon lenses offer great low-light, but they are primes, so no zooming:

85 mm f1.8
100 mm f2.0
EF 135 mm f2.0 L

[jann1033]

the tamron 17-50 f2.8 ,around $400, is a imo great choice ( more than the 50mm f1.8) since you have the good aperture and the zoom. Iq is great as well throughout the whole range. ...if you can swing the cost. i never use my 50 anymore. ( although my copy of it is a mutant anyway and only really tack sharp around f8-11 then over 18-22 or so). i also have the 70-200 f4 . don't think you would really use that much on dark ride(;)) but it would be nice at AK although i would take a monopod along. if you use the 50 at 1.8 you are going to have a tiny dof.

the only big problem (imo)with the new kit lens and 55-250 are the small apertures so it depends on what you want to use them for. although the f4would be for the 55mm, just not sure it would be fast enough for dark rides. the is only helps with your hand shakes, not with freezing a moving object while a faster shutter speed would help with both

[Bstanley]

Notes from my first trip to the world with a DSLR from Dec 11 - Dec 17.

I purchased a Canon XS (18-55mm IS f3.5-f5.4? kit lens) and a 50mm f1.8 prime about a month before my trip was set to start and began a quick course in trying to 'grok' the camera's use in time for the trip.

Things I liked:

1. Ergonomics - light and easy to tote/handle. I was a bit concerned about toting a SLR and it's 'support systems' around the parks all day. Over the years as my kids grew and I moved away from needing the video camera, still camera and a host of stuff for my wife, etc. I had gotten used to only carrying a tiny (in comparison with even the XS) P&S and basically a couple of AA batteries plus a spare SD card. The compact form factor and extremely light weight (even if it can't stand up to a multi thousand foot drop :-) of the 'plastic' camera made for a comfortable day. Also after a little experience the various controls became fairly easy to use - except for setting the flash back and forth from normal to second curtain (I guess I'll need to learn how to set up a custom button for that).

My Advice: When buying a camera you MUST try it beforehand. I was lucky that a local camera store had both the entry level Canon and Nikon cameras that I had identified as possibilities and allowed me to wander around their store taking pictures to get an intro to how they 'feel'.

2. Picture Quality - WOW but DSLRs take marvelous pictures in even the most challenging situations. They are really capable of capturing the moment better than a P&S. Shooting RAW protected me from my own mistakes many times, allowing a number of pictures to be rescued from dopey exposure setting choices. Nowdays with 8GB cards being modestly priced there is no reason not to shoot RAW.

3. Battery Life - chihuahua this thing lasts a long time on a battery. I took about 400 pictures a day (very few with flash) and I NEVER saw the battery guage come off of Full.

4. Speed of use - everything is faster with a DSLR. I would turn it on as I raised it to my eye and it was ready to go by the time I had finished lifting it up. Then having the various critical settings in the viewfinder allowed me to make any final adjustments to settings without taking my eye away from the scene, take the picture, bang bang.

Camera 'Limits':

1. Sensitivity - ISO 1600 and F1.8 just don't have quite enough speed for the elusive Dark Ride shots - I have a handful of pictures from once I figured some things out (30th of a second minimum shutter speed on a non IS lens for example), but IF you really want well exposed pictures from Pirates you better look for ISO 6400 at a minimum (my guess).

2. Continuous Shooting Speed - When I was trying to shoot multiple quick shots in RAW when watching 'Lights, Motors, Action!' the camera seemed to 'lock-up' on me - when I looked at the screen it was taking it's own sweet time about storing the photos - maybe I should buy faster memory...

Dopey Photographer Tricks:

1. Not Thinking - Often I would sling the camera up and snap, snap, snap away without much thought. Mostly that resulted in wasting the lives of billions of photons/electrons. There were moments when a quick shot had to be made, but just a moment or two thinking about it will make it much better.

2. Not Knowing the Camera - I had setup and taken pictures of the Wishes fireworks using 'Bulb' mode without much trouble - but when I was setting up and trying to take a preliminary picture or two at Illuminations the camera wouldn't fire! Well the camera won't take a picture in Auto Focus mode if it is unable to focus - at the MK the castle gave it something to focus on. At Illuminations it was pointing at a featureless dark sky - no focus, no snap snap...

And FINALLY - on a humorous note - if you want to be recognized as a photographer, wear a multi-pocket vest, sunglasses on a strap and a baseball cap! I have a canvas fishing/hunting vest that I wore the first couple of days I was there and 5 times a day someone would come up, stick their camera (most often DSLR) in my hands and ask me to take their family's picture! One guy didn't even turn the blasted thing on, I had to figure it out myself...the last couple of days I did NOT wear the vest or cap and nobody asked for their picture to be taken!:laughing:

I'll be cleaning up the better shots and posting them - just a warning :-) - but here's a picture I really found intriguing. One morning at Coronado Springs it was REALLY foggy. Here's the scene - it looks noisy, but it really isn't - it's just how the digital sensor interacted with the fog:

http://ymjsca.blu.livefilestore.com/y1ptSqrioJrZVpMIgGu-FpSurI_0S0-0zbjtRZRRU07dmETzDcVc6Wi3UJo9OGThzn8jqzgGVAPh_UjUK uMJ5gk6MQGiKi2-MsU/Foggy%20Day%20at%20CSR%20resized.jpg

Here's a 4x blowup of a small part (almost pointillist):

http://ymjsca.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pHwaMuaPO1s9zlQao0ZwICSpaQX-XTjTJuFvBJQU8DRuu_V3o_JNrnGJZDJ_vNu6nu-Iqd03geYiJJLAuXDpdTMztvhBtmr3V/Foggy%20Day%20at%20CSR%20Zoomed%20to%204x.jpg

[SrisonS]

Seems like you had quite the learning experience. These were like all my same thoghts when i was learning my t1i. After shooting a few outdoor pics in jpeg with the camera set in the tungsten setting, I quickly made the switch to RAW. It was "heck" trying to do anything with blue tinted pictures. And the size of the RAW files is definitely the holdup when in continuous. I have an extreme iii category 6 Sandisk card, and sometimes I'll get the hanging up. I read somewhere that the camera itself can only write so fast; so there's a point to where the speed of the card might not even matter.

[bballdiva]

So EXCITED!!!!! I cant wait! :thumbsup2We are heading to Disney in less then a month so I must get moving to learn this camera. If anyone has any tips or suggestions of must have accessories please let me know. My dbf sister is a photographer so I cant wait to learn from the "expert"!!! but still would love some pointers:thumbsup2.

[Altair]

Check your firmware version and make sure it is 1.0.6, there was an update late last year to avoid some problems. It's easy to check and correct.:thumbsup2

[mom2rtk]

If you want to shoot the fireworks at Disney, go buy a tripod and a remote shutter release!

Also, figure up how many memory cards you think you'll need at Disney, then buy twice as many. Memory is cheap if you shop online ahead of time, and a lot more expensive to buy in the parks. You will take more pictures than you expect....

Hang out here and you'll learn lots.

CONGRATS!

[boBQuincy]

Read the manual. Repeat. Again. ;

The fact is you probably won't have time to gain much experience with the camera in a month. It is probably best to stay with Auto or Program modes to guarantee you will get mostly well exposed photos.

The camera is quite good and is capable of getting most of the photos you see on this board (very high ISO excepted), it just takes some learning and experience. Have fun and maybe try some settings other than Auto but only for photos that are not once in a lifetime because a lot of the early "experiments" don't work out. ;)

You may want to get a polarizer to improve daylight photos or a mini-tripod for night photos (and a cable release, or use the 2 second shutter delay).

[bballdiva]

I do already have a tripod (not so sure if it will fit the new camera yet), and I have a few memory cards already too. I did pick up a cross-star 8 point filter today cause i loved the effect that it made. Keep the advice coming, I greatly appreciate it all:)

[funkychunkymonkey]

I so wanna see what you can do with your cross-star 8 point filter. Pictures soon?

[MEK]

Thanks for some of the suggestions above. I have a new Canon rebel (bought in Jan) and I am such a novice. I want to be able to take firework pics when I go in May. In the meantime I bought some 8GB memory cards at costco for a sweet price. I also try to use the camera every weekend and I have been faithful with downloading and picture editing. I :love: this camera.

[boBQuincy]

Thanks for some of the suggestions above. I have a new Canon rebel (bought in Jan) and I am such a novice. I want to be able to take firework pics when I go in May. In the meantime I bought some 8GB memory cards at costco for a sweet price. I also try to use the camera every weekend and I have been faithful with downloading and picture editing. I :love: this camera.

To quickly recap fireworks settings:
Manual mode
ISO 100
f/11 or f/16
2-4 second shutter speed or Bulb
Tripod and remote release (or 2 second delay)
Auto focus on something distant, then set the lens to Manual focus so it won't move. (Don't zoom after that)

[Bstanley]

Yeah - what he said - :-)

One other thing - get a small bubble level gadget like this one (http://www.adorama.com/TPBLS.html?searchinfo=bubble+level).

I took some excellent shots of the fireworks on my last trip with my brand spankin' new Rebel XS (using the advice above) - but they were just a bit crooked and had to be corrected. The little level would have taken care of that.

[bballdiva]

I so wanna see what you can do with your cross-star 8 point filter. Pictures soon?

yes deff!!!

[Altair]

Here is a test shot with an 8-point star filter on a Rebel XS:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4375599619_1ffc1b7045_o.jpg

Just to show the effect.;)

[bballdiva]

Ohh thats so cool. I thought it would look cool w/ pics of Disney and the resorts at night when when they have all there lights on.

[StrwLady]

I would love to get an 18 to 200mm or 250mm lens for my Canon. I love my 75 to 200 lens but at times it gets to be a bit too much to keep switching to the 18 to 55m lens. I had a 18 to 250mm on my film camera long ago and I loved it. I rarely shot with anything else.

I am learning that it is not as easy to pick out a digital lens as it was to pick out a film one. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't mind non canon brands. I just want to make sure its a good one :)

Thanks :)

[bob100]

I would love to get an 18 to 200mm or 250mm lens for my Canon. I love my 75 to 200 lens but at times it gets to be a bit too much to keep switching to the 18 to 55m lens. I had a 18 to 250mm on my film camera long ago and I loved it. I rarely shot with anything else.

I am learning that it is not as easy to pick out a digital lens as it was to pick out a film one. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't mind non canon brands. I just want to make sure its a good one :)

Thanks :)

the Canon 18-200mm gets good reviews but those who prefer superzoom lens usually get the Tamron 18-270 - keep in mind a wide focal length lens is usually not going to get as good image quality as a two lens combination

[csharpwv]

I shoot with a Canon 50D and a Tamron 18-270.
I first owned a 300D or KISS as it was known in some markets, and shot with the 18-55 kit lens for a good number of year, then I bought a Tamron 75-300 for that camera. Finally this past year I started my own photography business, and found the 300D to be under performing for what I was expecting from it, really it had a lot to do with metering issues, white balance, and overall reliability of the quality of image was varying.
So wanting to get off to a good start, I was tired of switching lenses, accompanied by the risk of drop, damage, wear and tear on the mount, I decided to buy the 18-270 to start with and skip juggling lenses.
I had read about some distortion with the lens, especially with foreground subjects in wide angle shots. But, I decided to jump for it anyway.
I do not regret buying the lens, it is excellent, and I can get nearly any shot I want, by simply zooming. The lens is amazing for every day use, and for macro/detail shots, as well as landscapes, and people.

The only word of caution I will give on buying a lens like this, it seems that it would be extremely prone to grit/sand grind. With the long lens telescoping out of a compact body, what goes out, comes back in - and could play havoc on the internal portions of the lens.

Every product is different, and carries with it it's own 'personality'. The personality of this lens is to fully extend when it's held upside down. If you are just walking around with the camera around your neck, LOCK IT in place to prevent damage. Likewise, when you are shooting up at a subject, the lens will be a little difficult to extent. Aside from these issues, which are really issue of the user learning to treat the lens like it wants to be treated, like zooming before lifting/tilting the camera up for an upward telephoto shot.

One last note, I have played around with the Canon and the Tamron - while the Tamron is a little slower in focusing, the cost savings definitely outweighs the loss of speed - UNLESS you plan to shoot a lot of high action shots in rapidly changing light (such as tight athletic shots in dusk light where stadium lights and remaining daylight are both in play.)

Tamron has also recently had rebates on their lenses. Be sure to check out Tri State Photo online. They are the only online retailer that has ever CALLED me before shipping out my order to confirm the order, and assure it was exactly what I wanted, and alas, I had ordered the incorrect UV filter/lens protector, I ordered the regular - when I needed the low profile due to the make of the lens. Best price, and great offers the Bill Me Later.


If you have specific questions, don't hesitate to ask me on here or via pm!

I hope this helps!

[photo_chick]

OP---- On the lens you have, do you mean the Canon 75-300?

The Canon 18-200 has some pretty wicked distortion and fringing that brings the image quality down. But if you've got the 75-300, it's on par with that IQ wise. The Canon 55-250 is a bit better, but not much.

The Canon 18-135 has gotten fair reviews though I've not seen a detailed analysis of it yet. The Canon 28-135 has better optical quality and is a great lens for the money.

It really comes down to what you want to spend, you image quality tolerance and what focal lengths you need.

[csharpwv]

No, I bought a Tamron 75-300 back in 2007.
It's a great lens, I've taken a lot of great shots with that lens, very crisp, very clear. I haven't shot much with it on my 50D yet, but I also haven't taken my 50D to WDW yet! I will in a few weeks though!

[photo_chick]

No, I bought a Tamron 75-300 back in 2007.
It's a great lens, I've taken a lot of great shots with that lens, very crisp, very clear. I haven't shot much with it on my 50D yet, but I also haven't taken my 50D to WDW yet! I will in a few weeks though!

sorry... I meant the OP. I should have specified that. They said 75-200 and that threw me a little so I was trying to clarify.

[csharpwv]

I own these digital SLR lenses:
Canon 18-55 (stock kit lens)
Tamron AF 75-300
Tamron AF 18-270/3.5-6.3 DI II VC WIDE ANGLE TELEPHOTO

Sorry for any confusion!

[alan]

I have the Sigma 18-200mm OS lens. It is nowhere near as good as the L lenses that I possess, but it is dramatically more flexible

You might want to have a look at this day (http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2251090) from my trip report.

Some of the pictures were taken with the Siggy, some with the 24-105mm L. In truth, at this size I don't think there's a huge difference, and in the 9" x 6" prints I have there isn't much of a difference either (the daytime pictures were the 18-200mm).

I find the Sigma is best if you can leave it at f/8. Given that it's normally pretty bright in the parks, that works fine for me.

So, the Siggy worked well for me... though I still took, and used, the L glass for some of the shows.

regards,
/alan

[SrisonS]

OP---- On the lens you have, do you mean the Canon 75-300?

The Canon 18-200 has some pretty wicked distortion and fringing that brings the image quality down. But if you've got the 75-300, it's on par with that IQ wise. The Canon 55-250 is a bit better, but not much.

The Canon 18-135 has gotten fair reviews though I've not seen a detailed analysis of it yet. The Canon 28-135 has better optical quality and is a great lens for the money.

It really comes down to what you want to spend, you image quality tolerance and what focal lengths you need.

I have the Canon 18-135mm, and I love it (most of my Flickr pics were taken with that lens on my T1i). I've heard some not-that-great reviews on the Canon 18-200mm, so I was reluctant to try it. But my lens has served me well, and hasn't left my camera since October, when I bought it. That's the only lens I've used, besides the kit lens; so I can't totally compare it to anything. There is some slight vignetting in certain low light situations; but nothing too bad. It might even help some pictures look better.

But good luck in your search.

[KarenAylwood]

I absolutely love my 18-200mm. I bought the 24-105 f/4L recently and sort of "replaced" it when it comes to a walkaround lens but I still use it for the range sometimes. I will always be a huge proponent of the lens no matter what the reviews say. Yes I can definitely tell a difference in sharpness with my L series (and I better for twice the price!) but the image quality is very similar to my 18-55mm kit lens (great lens).

All of my safari pics in my trip report were taken with it (see signature) along with all the Fantasmic shots.

[DisneyFairy66]

Hi, So I have the Canon SLR camera that I LOVE!!! and I just purchased a Nifty Fifty Lens for it.

Any tips or advice that you can give to a newbie to the SLR world with the nifty fifty lens.

Im going to DIsney and I want to use it, so Id appreciate any advice or tips!


THANKS!

[C&B Young]

I'd practice a bunch at home before your trip. In particular, practice shooting in Aperture Priority mode to take advantage of shooting at f/1.8.

[nat1234]

I just got that camera and that lense in April. So I would love to learn some of these tips too. I love my camera as well.

[ukcatfan]

Probably the most important thing to learn is how to control the small depth of field you get when you shoot at the wide apertures. You can completely miss a shot just from missing the focus point.

[photo_chick]

That lens has to have the focus spot on. Especially, as others have pointed out, when using it wide open. It's a great lens, but takes some getting used to and can seem a bit finicky until you get a good feel for it.

And try to resist the urge to shoot everything at f/1.8 just because you can. LOL. Though I think everyone who first gets a lens like that does the "ooo... blurry... shallow depth if field is so cool!" for at least the first 100 shots.

[cpbjgc]

I have one of these lenses as well and really enjoy it! Its a great lens if you understand a bit about how depth of field works.

I am not sure what your experience level is, so a quick primer - the depth of field is the area of where your photo will be sharp - think if it as a box that is around your subject - everything in the box will be sharp and everything out of it is blurry. The box position it relative to your subject, with about 1/3 of the space in front of the subject being sharp, and 2/3 of the space behind being sharp.

The size of you box changes depending on you focal length (in your case 50mm), how far away you are from your subject, and your aperture. If you have the same focal length and distance from your subject, you depth of field (the depth of your box) gets shallower (smaller) as your aperture number gets smaller. So other things being equal, you will have a shallower (smaller) depth of field at F1.8 than you would at F8.

Why this is important is that at F1.8, when you get real close, your depth of field is really shallow and can result in the tip of a person's nose being in focus and their eyes not. For instance the depth of field for your camera, using a 50mm lens at F1.8 standing 3 feet from the subject is .07 feet, while at F8 it would be .32 feet.

To really understand this, take a look at this DOF Calculator website (http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html) which will tell you the actual depth of field for your lens on your camera at different F stops and distances.

Bottom line is have fun with your nifty fifty! As long as you are careful and have some understanding of the depth of field at f1.8, you can get some really great shots, especially in low light and on rides where no flash is allowed.

[Frantasmic]

Keep your expectations at an even level.

I have the XSi. I used my lens in the Haunted Mansion and was a bit disappointed. I was disappointed that the dune buggies jerked more than I wanted and it was difficult to get non-jerky pictures. Also, realize that the best pictures that you see on this forum are from mid-level (not entry-level) dslrs, which means that they have better iso control.

For example, here was my best shot, which cannot compare to other people's best they have posted:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2778/4474717051_c87322a57f.jpg

[photo_chick]

Keep your expectations at an even level.



Good advice.

The equipment is only one small piece of what it takes to get a good shot. The photographers experience, not only in photography but actually photographing that particular ride, is a huge factor in how good your images are. If it's your first time with a particular lens or camera in a situation you are going to get a lot of misses.

[Frantasmic]

Here's a recent thread on the topic. Notice the ISO levels on many of these cameras. The XS and the XSi do not take as good pictures at those levels as other cameras do.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2484458&highlight=haunted+mansion

[DisneyFairy66]

Wow, I feel so lost :( Im going to practice before my trip. Thanks for the tips. I hope i figure out what Im doing lol. I dont want to be lost watching SUmmer Nightastic and not get a good shot.

[ukcatfan]

Wow, I feel so lost :( Im going to practice before my trip. Thanks for the tips. I hope i figure out what Im doing lol. I dont want to be lost watching SUmmer Nightastic and not get a good shot.

If you are talking about the fireworks, this is not the lens you want to use for that. What you need is a tripod, a standard zoom lens, and preferably a remote shutter release. Being locked at 50mm is too tight for fireworks. There are even shots of the fireworks at 10mm that look great. the 50mm will be good for the MSEP though. Be sure to pick a spot where you get a nice clear shot of the parade coming at you. I like being on the outside of a turn. Since the parade mostly makes left turns, that would typically be to the right of the parade's forward motion. This helps keep your neighbors out of your shots.

[10dedfish]

I have the same setup, and I have to agree with the "PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE" mantra that everyone else is chanting. Ive had it for a few months, and I still have problems getting the shots I want.

[mom2rtk]

I agree with ucatfan on finding the perfect spot. I found 50mm to be a little tight for what I wanted to use for the parade. Once the parade got right in front of you it was too late. But if you find a spot where you can catch the parade coming around the corner toward you, it works great. I also like the spot right at the end of Main Street since it will come toward you AND circle around the hub.

[PaDisneyCouple]

DW and I are strongly considering upgrading out little point and shoot Canon (5mp, 4x optical) before our WDW trip this fall. We're not sure if we're up for SLR yet, but are considering one versus a high-zoom point and shoot. I've never visited the camera board before, but I'm guessing that helping with camera selection might be a popular question. Anybody with experience with these models, or in making such a decision?

What we'd like to improve over what we've got: shot lag, indoor shot quality, and greater zoom capability, but without a lot of added bulk.

Looking forward to responses.
Thanks!

[SrisonS]

The high-end p&s will probably show some improvement of those features, from what you already have; and the dslr definitely will. The only thing with the dslr is that the added zoom range will cost you extra. A Rebel comes with a kit lens of 18-55mm; which is basically like a 3x zoom. There are some deals out there that will give you an extra lens though.

I have a Rebel T1i myself, and absolutely love it.

[AlbertZeroK]

Perhaps this (http://www.adorama.com/ICADRXSKBR.html) will help. Adorama has the XS kit refurbished for $399. DSLR has great picture quality but the XS with the 18-55 lens will give you OK results compared to a $399 point and shoot which will likely have a longer zoom and almost as good image results in a smaller package.

Personally, if you're looking to dive in the the DSLR world then go with the XS and budget for buying more camera stuff later in life. If you just want a camera and you don't want to put more money into it later in life, buy a high end point and shoot.

[bob100]

What we'd like to improve over what we've got: shot lag, indoor shot quality, and greater zoom capability, but without a lot of added bulk.

Looking forward to responses.
Thanks!

with a DSLR you will improve shot lag and indoor pics but the greater "zoom capability" will require buying more (expensive) lens. Also a dslr will be significantly larger and heavier

[Photoguy]

I don't know if offering items for sale is allowed here, but I'd sell you my Rebel XS plus the 18-55 kit lens for $325 including the shipping. I've had it for a year and a half maybe? I upgraded to it from a Canon S3IS and I'm looking to move to either a Canon t2i or a 7D for the video capabilities.

Jeff

[ukcatfan]

I don't know if offering items for sale is allowed here, but I'd sell you my Rebel XS...

No, it is not allowed.

[Photoguy]

Whoops. Sorry then, nevermind.

[ukcatfan]

Whoops. Sorry then, nevermind.

To make sure that you do not get in trouble for it, you should edit your original post to remove it.

[PaDisneyCouple]

Thanks to all for the help. We're leaning towards the high zoom point and shoot, because of the size savings.

[TandLMommy28]

I've had the older version of the point and shoot you are looking at and I have the XSi now. I'd go with the P&S. I miss that camera so much for so many reasons, I wish I had kept it because there are times when my DSLR is not the best option (quick trips to the zoo when i don't want to carry it, it doesn't take video, it doesn't zoom, etc). Extra lenses are not in my budget right now because all my money is going to Disney!

The really good thing about this particular P&S is that you can set it to manual mode and learn all about shooting in manual... once you get the hang of that, you just might want a DSLR (I did!). But it lets you practice while still having more flexibility to treat it as a regular P&S. And of course, it takes video.

[autumnpalm]

Hi everyone!

I am looking at my first DSLR camera and am close to buying the Canon EOS Rebel XS. I am looking for a camera that is fairly easy to use, has a decent automatic setting and is not super expensive. I also like that this model has a live view and the auto light optimizer looks like a nice feature. I currently have the Canon Powershot SD790 point and shoot and have been happy with it so would like to stick to the Canon brand.

Any thoughts? All opinions appreciated!:goodvibes

[C&B Young]

I've got the Rebel XS, it was my first DSLR. I ended up upgrading to the 50D less than a year later for the higher ISO and burst rate. The XS is getting a little old at this point. If I were picking up a starter Canon DSLR I'd go with a minimum of the T1i. Although if you're not absolutely set on staying with Canon the Pentax K-x is perhaps the best bang for your buck in an entry-level DSLR.

[MOmousefan]

I recently purchased the XS as my first DSLR. It is an entry level camera, but I have enjoyed using it.
I am still learning how to take good pics, but i have been using the P setting on the camera.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/mtsanders/Shootout%202010/RC%20Shootout/P1060840.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/mtsanders/Shootout%202010/RC%20Shootout/IMG_0742.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/mtsanders/Lily/IMG_2197800x533.jpg

[autumnpalm]

Thanks to both of you! I have seen the name Pentax around the boards here but (and I'm really showing my photography ignorance now!) I haven't really heard much about the brand before. Is it very reputable? How are things like customer service? Would I be able to find one at a store like Black's? The T1i camera is a little pricier so maybe I will look into the Pentax.

[ukcatfan]

Thanks to both of you! I have seen the name Pentax around the boards here but (and I'm really showing my photography ignorance now!) I haven't really heard much about the brand before. Is it very reputable? How are things like customer service? Would I be able to find one at a store like Black's? The T1i camera is a little pricier so maybe I will look into the Pentax.

I have the K-x. I have not had to contact customer service for it or for the three years I had my K100D. I have had the K-x since December. I have heard that their customer service is good though.

It really is one of the best bang for the buck DSLRs in a while. It out specs everything in the same price range. It is the closest in comparison to the Canon T1i, Nikon D5000, and Sony A500 (I think). It also comes in many different colors if that interests you. I got the red one! :thumbsup2

As for the company, they have been around for a looooong time. They made one of the most popular cameras of all time, the K1000. They have been using the same camera mount since the 70's, which means even 30+ year old lenses still work like normal on the new DSLRs. They were a little slower than Canon and Nikon at embracing digital. They have become more of a niche market player, not trying to outsell C&N. As such they typically offer a little more for the money. For example, their kit lens is of a higher build quality than the big guys. Optically all are pretty much equal, but the C&N kit lenses are intentionally made a little cheaply which encourages a quicker upgrade.

[C&B Young]

Thanks to both of you! I have seen the name Pentax around the boards here but (and I'm really showing my photography ignorance now!) I haven't really heard much about the brand before. Is it very reputable? How are things like customer service? Would I be able to find one at a store like Black's? The T1i camera is a little pricier so maybe I will look into the Pentax.

Pentax has been around a long time. The only knock against Pentax that I've seen is there isn't as wide a lens selection as you'll find with Canon or Nikon. You mention Black's, I assume that means you're in Canada? If so, be sure to check out photoprice.ca (http://www.photoprice.ca), it lists prices for cameras & lenses from a whole variety of Canadian retailers. I would also recommend going into a store and trying out some of the prospective cameras in your price range. Any entry-level DSLR is capable of taking great photos, you want to make sure you pick the body that's best for you!

[autumnpalm]

Yes, I'm in Ontario as well! Thanks so much for sharing that website, it looks really helpful. I didn't realize how expensive Black's was! I'm kind of kicking myself for buying my last camera there.:headache: Looks like for the Pentax, Amazon is the best option but I'll head to a nearby store and test it out first, thanks.:hug:

[C&B Young]

Yes, I'm in Ontario as well! Thanks so much for sharing that website, it looks really helpful. I didn't realize how expensive Black's was! I'm kind of kicking myself for buying my last camera there.:headache: Looks like for the Pentax, Amazon is the best option but I'll head to a nearby store and test it out first, thanks.:hug:

Buying camera and lenses is always interesting in Canada... sometimes your Henrys or Blacks will be hundreds of dollars more expensive, other times they'll be the cheapest option. I actually got my Rebel XS at Staples of all places, it was $100 cheaper than anywhere else!