Are We Terrorists?

[disneyboy2003]

Apparently, there's a new poster from the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) warning folks about a new terrorist threat:

http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TSA.jpg



I'll be sure to alert Disney Security if I see anyone walking around the Magic Kingdom with a dSLR! :cool2:

[Pineapple Whip]

Don't get me started. One reason I moved out of NYC was all the post 9/11 BS we had to live with.

"Don't let the terrorists win, go about your lives as normal..."

Yeah, uh, we lost that fight. The biggest culprit in creating a paranoid nation, was the US government and law enforcement... because a scared populace is easy to win over. "We're repealing some amendments... in the interest of national security."

I used to love hearing the stories of photogs being hassled by security guards that felt (for whatever reason on that particular day) their buildings could not be photographed in the interests of security. EVERYTHING that was a "security concern" was because of 9/11. EVERYTHING the NYPD did was in the interests of preventing another 9/11. Sign on bridge: "it is illegal to photograph the bridge." :guilty: Glad we have all those reference pics from before they passed the law banning this shot. How do we secure a target vulnerable from 360* of sea, air, land, and space??? Duh, we ban pictures, no pictures today. (say that last part in a stupid voice for effect)

There really is a sheer stupidity that has come to power in that area of the country... although now that I think of it, there is a good amount of that stupidity spread around the country as well.

I especially love things like this poster. "Suspicious photographer". How in the heck did he get to such a "secure area"? He must have subdued all the police with his "tripod". His AF beam shut down all the security cameras. Thank God he brought his camera instead of a shoulder fired missile... today.

You know those terrorists, they stand in front of their potential target with a zoom lens. Just like they discuss their attacks in various online chat forums. That's why 9/11 happened... the FBI and CIA were reading the wrong forums on 9/10.

I remember a sales pitch I got one day: "the property has been designed to prevent a rocket attack from the perimeter..." :sad2:

Thank god the TSA has been formed to replace those awful guards we used to have. I remember one guard who had a discussion with me on how to do something bad to a plane with something I had for carry-on, which he didn't understand why it was allowed. I thanked him for the tip. :idea:

[AlbertZeroK]

Apparently, there's a new poster from the TSA (Transportation Security Administration) warning folks about a new terrorist threat:

http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/TSA.jpg



I'll be sure to alert Disney Security if I see anyone walking around the Magic Kingdom with a dSLR! :cool2:

Apparently, I need to get rid of my hoodie too!

[WDWFigment]

I've always been under the impression that photographers are terrorists. Them, skateboarders and Mariachi Bands.

[NateNLogansDad]

I wish you wouldn't have posted this! Now all the terrorists will ditch the DSLR's and go to super zooms. After that, we'll never be able to find one ever again. I'm going to start watching craigslist for when they start selling their lenses. Everybody knows terrorists have the best lenses!

But seriously, go down to the cargo area of an airport and say something about a guy taking pictures outside the fence.. All you're going to get is :confused3 Nobody cares, not even a little. And if your inside no one would think twice about some one with a camera.

[Rental01]

Look at that lens! Obviously they're targeting Nikon owners. Canon users are free and clear!

Shoot with Canon and shoot for America!

I need to go to the airport tonight and I can guarantee you I'll be bringing my camera. :)

[AlbertZeroK]

Look at that lens! Obviously they're targeting Nikon owners. Canon users are free and clear!

Shoot with Canon and shoot for America!

I need to go to the airport tonight and I can guarantee you I'll be bringing my camera. :)

I wonder if they would freq out if you said, "I'm shooting wide open through the fence, heck, at this Aperture my camera doesn't even know the fence is there!"

[NateNLogansDad]

I wonder if they would freq out if you said, "I'm shooting wide open through the fence, heck, at this Aperture my camera doesn't even know the fence is there!"

:rotfl2:

[Uncle Greg]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the TSA set up a photo shoot for this poster at the airport to warn people about other people taking pictures at the airport?

:confused:

[disneyboy2003]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the TSA set up a photo shoot for this poster at the airport to warn people about other people taking pictures at the airport?

:confused:


That's so true!

Actually, why didn't the TSA just arrest this guy? It seems silly that you've got a terrorist taking photos of our airplanes, and all the TSA could do was take a picture of the terrorist taking a picture? The guy's a few feet from you! Put the camera down and arrest the guy! :mad:

[Rental01]

Yeah - while I was waiting to pick up my bird I started snapping shots. I got a few pictures of the tractor they use to tow around cargo and luggage and no one cared. Then I tried to take a picture of a plane taking off and it was about ten seconds before I was forcibly informed that I was shooting over a "restricted fence". Seriously. It was not even anywhere near the terminal but over an area where the planes take off through. Very strange.

Anyway, here's a shot of the tractor:

http://shepardphotography.smugmug.com/Photography/Portfolio/TUG/1000350978_jAGWY-M.jpg

[disneyboy2003]

Does anyone know if terrorists use professional lenses (such as the white "L" lenses from Canon)? Or are they budget-conscious and stick with just the "kit" lens? :confused3

If they do use professional lenses, would this be a possible solution for someone's Gear Acquisition Syndrome? http://www.dgrin.com/images/smilies/deal.gif


Also, does anyone know what brand dSLR produces the best airplane pictures?

[NateNLogansDad]

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[disneyboy2003]

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:mad: Ouch!


We have a saying in photography:
"It's not the camera. It's the terrorist."

:)

[Pineapple Whip]

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Nikon owners aren't smart enough to spell Canon, let alone buy one.

[Uncle Greg]

Oh, double zings!


FIGHT!


popcorn::

[AlbertZeroK]

Nikon owners aren't smart enough to spell Canon, let alone buy one.

Nice. Very nice.:rotfl::rotfl2:

[Shutterbug]

http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/09/tsa-general-aviation-poster-encourages.html

[NateNLogansDad]

:rotfl2: Ouch! Man Down!

I need to stop posting after my first nightcap :rotfl: and before my first cup of coffee. :lmao:

[NateNLogansDad]

:rotfl2: Ouch! Man Down!

I need to stop posting after my first nightcap :rotfl: and before my first cup of coffee. :lmao:



Wait, ummmm.....what I meant to say was that I didn't want to cause a trademark infringement. Yea, that's it.

I know, genius right? :surfweb:

[Pineapple Whip]

That was a great laugh all around on all three versions of the poster. I think the TSA was supposed to have a guy "shooting at a plane", but there was a breakdown in communication.

Sort of longing for a "DIS FAIL" thread. Take pics of fails in the parks. Just one more challenge for the photogs.

[NateNLogansDad]

If things go well for us soon, we'll be back in November. I'll be on the lookout for as many terrorists as I can. I'll get the whole place on lock down by the end of the day when I grab a Cast Member for each DSLR with a long lens that I see:lmao:

[brack]

Don't get me started. One reason I moved out of NYC was all the post 9/11 BS we had to live with.

"Don't let the terrorists win, go about your lives as normal..."

Yeah, uh, we lost that fight. The biggest culprit in creating a paranoid nation, was the US government and law enforcement...

Five years ago I had a Total Hip Replacement and part of my therapy was to walk with a walker (53 yo). The mall was the easiest and coolest (OKC, OK in the summer :scared1:).

The first time out my wife takes my DSLR to "document" the recovery. She was chased down by a Mall Cop and threatened because of the security breach. Didn't she know that after 9/11 there was such a possible terror problem and photos were not allowed in the mall. He could confiscate the camera if he wanted! :eek:

It was absurd! :mad:

[Pineapple Whip]

If things go well for us soon, we'll be back in November. I'll be on the lookout for as many terrorists as I can. I'll get the whole place on lock down by the end of the day when I grab a Cast Member for each DSLR with a long lens that I see:lmao:

Does this mean that a crack team of photopass photogs will surround, aim at, and photograph the terrorist photogs? Will there be a shootout down main street as if it were frontierland? How much collateral damage from flashes and AF beams will the innocent bystanders face? Will we see the dreaded family of (strike that), CELL of 4 terrorists with the older male on continuous dSLR, mother with a P&S, son with a disposable in each hand, and baby girl with a tripod and camcorder. The poor photopass CM's will never be the same after having to shoot that baby girl.

I'd actually like to film this scenario... I wonder if Disney is up for doing a PSA with us on reckless stupidity in media, advertising, and government propaganda.

edit: on a side note, I wish the weapons were just cameras. It felt so much better of a thought thinking a war could be cloak and dagger operations to get a paparazzi photo of the other side doing something stupid.

Osama: Look, picture of George Bush puking on Japanese Prime Minister.
George: Look, it's Usama dancing the maca... the macaranerena.
Mahmoood: Columbia University... overexposed AND picture of nazi Germany, holocaust photoshopped out, smiles pasted on Jews.
Boris: Shut up Mahmood, we have your and Muammar dressing like women.
Hugo: It smells like brimstone in here, aqui presentamos un retrato de el diablo en el imagen de George W. Bush.
Fidel: Cigars and rum, 15MP, HDR. You still can't have any.

[NateNLogansDad]

I so wish some of my friends around here were A/V buffs, this could really get funny.....

[Rental01]

Five years ago I had a Total Hip Replacement and part of my therapy was to walk with a walker (53 yo). The mall was the easiest and coolest (OKC, OK in the summer :scared1:).

The first time out my wife takes my DSLR to "document" the recovery. She was chased down by a Mall Cop and threatened because of the security breach. Didn't she know that after 9/11 there was such a possible terror problem and photos were not allowed in the mall. He could confiscate the camera if he wanted! :eek:

It was absurd! :mad:

AAAAAActually - he had no right to confiscate any of your equipment, ask you to delete images, or, well, anything short of 1) asking you to leave the mall or 2) stop shooting. Well, or 3) as you to stop shooting AND leave the mall.

If he insists on calling the police, let him. 95% of the people you will come across don't understand the law. The only time you CAN'T shoot anything is if you're on private property when the 3 mentioned actions come into play (or if you use a zoom lens).

Basically it works like this: If it can be seen you can shoot it.

Publishing or selling the images is a different matter.

Links:

Bert Krages' "The Photographer's Right" (http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf)
Andrew Kantor's "Legal Rights of Photographers" (http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf)
The Photographer's Guide to Privacy (http://www.rcfp.org/photoguide/intro.html)

[Pineapple Whip]

Five years ago I had a Total Hip Replacement and part of my therapy was to walk with a walker (53 yo). The mall was the easiest and coolest (OKC, OK in the summer :scared1:).

The first time out my wife takes my DSLR to "document" the recovery. She was chased down by a Mall Cop and threatened because of the security breach. Didn't she know that after 9/11 there was such a possible terror problem and photos were not allowed in the mall. He could confiscate the camera if he wanted! :eek:

It was absurd! :mad:

I'm pretty sure they can't confiscate your camera, but you can call the cops on them for grand theft and assault if they try. Just offer to bag your camera and stop shooting, or leave if they ask you to, but if they try to take it forcibly... 911.

Also, some of these cowards like to pick on an easy target. They probably saw you with the walker... Not all guards are bad, there is just an element of scum that you need to stand up to every now and then.

I had a meltdown on a guard once, I can't remember where, but I was out of NYC at the time. Whatever it was, it was just ridiculous. I knew it, he knew it, it was dumb. Like telling me I can't eat in the parking lot after ordering from the drive-thru:

Me: "So offended that you even dare mention 9/11 as a reason for your bullcrap. I am from NYC and was born and raised in lower Manhattan, how dare you use that tragedy as an example of why I can't (can't even remember the stupid thing in question). Just admit it is this some stupid policy you have?"

Guard: "yes. I'm sorry."

Sometimes it's not even about 9/11, just them being "authoritative" which is what they teach in security school. However that should be practiced with discretion as sometimes politeness works better, other times lying (ambiguity) is better but in a careful manner, and other times flat out assertiveness is called for. Here are some examples:

Wife with DSLR: "Excuse me ma'am, mall policy states... and I don't want to ask you to leave, so I would appreciate it if you put the camera away."

Suspicious package, etc: "Ladies and gentlemen, we have a maintenance issue in this area and need you to clear away from it temporarily. Please keep moving in that direction following the officer's instructions.

Confirmed bomb: "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES WITCHES THERE'S A BOMB IN THIS MOTHER."

[cosmos]

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Nikon owners aren't smart enough to spell Canon, let alone buy one.

I love this forum, it's a day brightener. Everyone has a good sense of humor.
:rotfl2:

[NateNLogansDad]

I love this forum, it's a day brightener. Everyone has a good sense of humor.
:rotfl2:


yea yea......








:lmao:

[Uncle Greg]

As a Nikon shooter, I feel compelled to come to NateNLogansDad's defense.



Just as soon as I stop laughing. :lmao:

[NateNLogansDad]

Never Stop Laughing!!!

[MOmousefan]

As more of these BS rules and laws are enforced it means the terrorists have won. They check our shoes, deny photographing public places, and take away individual rights. We become more like the countries we call enemys.

[MarkBarbieri]

There was a recent post on this subject on A Photo Editor (http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2010/09/09/photographers-and-the-law/). Honestly, I think that both sides are making too much out of it. The laws I've seen are reasonable. Sometimes people who try to enforce them are not. Life's not perfect.

he had no right to confiscate any of your equipment, ask you to delete images
I'm not a legal expert, but I think that he can ask you to delete images. He just can't insist, force, or coerce you to do. If you don't want to delete them, all he can do is ask you to leave.

Didn't she know that after 9/11 there was such a possible terror problem and photos were not allowed in the mall.
Malls were anti-photography zealots before 9/11. I'm not sure what motivates them, but just about every mall has been extremely anti-photography for a long time. My guess is that it is totally non-terrorism related.

Even outdoor malls sometimes get into the act. I've been warned that if I want to shoot at our local outdoor mall, I should do so commando style - get what I want and get out quickly. It looks like public property (streets, parking meters, etc), but the entire outdoor market is really private property.

[Rental01]

I'm not a legal expert, but I think that he can ask you to delete images. He just can't insist, force, or coerce you to do. If you don't want to delete them, all he can do is ask you to leave
Right. I meant that he was asking with some threat involved. You own the images and you do not have to delete them.