Why all the superstition w/September 11th

[Blondie]

I've noticed some people have commented that they don't want to fly on September 11th.

Oddly enough, none of the patients we have that are due in that time frame that will be a repeat c-section wants to schedule their surgery for that date.

I called the OR and it seems that nobody wants to have any other kind of surgery on September 11th either!

For me, 9/11 will be more a memorial/remembrance type of date.

I don't think it's a date to be afraid of, or to fear or to shy away from. I think it's a date that we should all reflect upon, not be so scared that we are going out of our way to stay home and hole ourselves up like we are planning for an alien invasion.

Our country is more safe now that it has ever been, because of September 11th.

Comments anyone?

[binny]

no I feel the same way you do. I dont think its a day to be afraid of, its a day of heartache for so many and rembrance for everyone.

It was such an arbitrary day to begin with. Why Spetember 11th???

I dont think I would *not* schedule anything around it. In fact Cams Caravans starts that day.

[eeyore0062]

I don't get it either! Other than taking the time to remember, I will go about my day like any other.

[caitycaity]

"I don't think it's a date to be afraid of, or to fear or to shy away from. "

i agree. :)

[Dan Murphy]

Our 31st anniversary will be this 9/11. We did not actually celebrate our 30th. I think we will certainly be remembering the day, in several ways, in all the years to come.

[snoopy]

I wouldn't fly on 9/11. There is no validity to my fears, I am just superstitious that way.

I don't know that we are any safer since 9/11 then we were before. Certainly more aware, but I wouldn't go so far as to say safer.

[Princess_Aurora]

I think out of all the days you could fly, 9/11/02 would be the safest of all. The airports will probably all be on extra alert, not they haven't been since last year, but just to be on the safe side.

I'm not afraid of the date. I've heard some people talking about not going to work and keeping their kids home from school and stuff like that. I don't see why? I'm not afraid of the day.

[Robinrs]

I'm sort of disappointed by this...

My only concern is for those who lost someone on this date. Instead of concentrating on fear, just imagine the people who are missing a father, a mother or a child on this day. I just hope the tributes, the reminders and everyone involved takes all of this into consideration.

[trayletha]

Oddly enough, none of the patients we have that are due in that time frame that will be a repeat c-section wants to schedule their surgery for that date.

Blondie - It might be that they just don't want the babies birth day to be Sept 11th. My youngest sisters birthday is Sept 11th and everytime she has to show ID the person checking it will say something about it.

I think everyone wants their birthday to be a special day - and all about them (I know I do;) ) so for the c-sections it might be just that. PS I wouldn't want to schedule my babies birth on ANY "Holiday" if I had that choice.

[Goofyposter]

Certainly more aware, but I wouldn't go so far as to say safer.

Snoopy..I think I understand what you're saying, but being the eternal optimist that I am.....I do think that at least in commerical aviation we're alot safer now....in my mind at least, there is NO WAY the passenagers of any flight will permit others to repeat those types of activities that transpired on 9/11/01.

Robinrs....nice thoughts! :) I do hope (and I believe) we all will keep those who were effected in such a tragic way, clearly in our focus. But certainly, Sept. 11 was a lost to all as well.

[nativetxn]

Out of curiousity, Blondie. Check with surgery and see if anyone is having surgery on December 7th. To me it's the same thing as 9/11, the anniversary of a terrible time in American History :(

I would have flown on 9/11 but Spirit gave away all those free seats and I didn't get one. I don't need to be in Orlando until 9/13 but I would have gone early, if I could have gotten that free seat :teeth:

[Blondie]

December 7th?

Sorry, I must've been asleep or playing hookie during that history lesson! :o

What was December 7th?

[snoopy]

Well, for me, the pain and fear will never go away. I'm changed forever. I won't ever forget the smoke billowing all over the city when the Pentagon was hit; I'll never go to New York again and not look for the Towers. I can't ever deny that I live in a "hot" spot, and if there is another attack I very well may die. I know that sounds a bit morbid, but living here I can appreciate the magnitude of the first attack, and I will never forget that feeling of fear and dread.

I think of those families, all those people, all that pain. I go through my daily life thinking about them, its a wound that willl never heal. I've accepted that, and while I don't live my life in constant fear, I certainly will never feel the same sense of security I felt before 9/11. I don't feel like I'm letting the terrorists win by acknowledging that and accepting it.

[scarlett873]

december 7th was the day that pearl harbor was attacked...

[Goofyposter]

Speech to Congress
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
President of the United States of America
December 8, 1941

Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 ~ a date which will live in infamy ~ the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

The United States was at peace with that nation and, at the solicitation of Japan, was still in conversation with its government and its emperor looking toward the maintenance of peace in the Pacific.

Indeed, one hour after Japanese air squadrons had commenced bombing in the American island of Oahu, the Japanese ambassador to the United States and his colleagues delivered to our Secretary of State a formal reply to a recent American message. And while this reply stated that it seemed useless to continue the existing diplomatic negotiations, it contained no threat or hint of war or of armed attack.

It will be recorded that the distance of Hawaii from Japan makes it obvious that the attack was deliberately planned many days or even weeks ago. During the intervening time, the Japanese government has deliberately sought to deceive the United States by false statements and expressions of hope for continued peace.

The attack yesterday on the Hawaiian islands has caused severe damage to American naval and military forces. I regret to tell you that very many American lives have been lost. In addition, American ships have been reported torpedoed on the high seas between San Francisco and Honolulu.

Yesterday, the Japanese government also launched an attack against Malaya.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Hong Kong.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked Guam.

Last night, Japanese forces attacked the Philippine Islands.

Last night, the Japanese attacked Wake Island.

And this morning, the Japanese attacked Midway Island.

Japan has, therefore, undertaken a surprise offensive extending throughout the Pacific area. The facts of yesterday and today speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation.

As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense.

But always will our whole nation remember the character of the onslaught against us.

No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory.

I believe that I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make it very certain that this form of treachery shall never again endanger us.

Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger.

With confidence in our armed forces ~ with the unbending determination of our people ~ we will gain the inevitable triumph ~ so help us God.

I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire.


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[nativetxn]

Good job, GP :)

[stevets]

September 11th will be a dangerous day as long as the vicious, violent, evil ideology of Islam is in existence. 9/11 is now the date of their most important victory in modern times and they will attempt to "celebrate" every year.

Here are two quotes from the Koran:
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[Goofyposter]

Groosch Stevets....it might be ah *tad* of a generalization to say the ideology of Islam is evil dern't yer think?

I'm no scholar of anything...especially not Islam...but it strikes me that anything else in life...a group, organization, town, club etc.., is only as good as the people who are it's memebers.

Certainly, clearly...there are extremists...dare I say it, in every group....but perhaps...it's those who take things either out of context, or form their conclusions before seeking out an honest survey of all the readings who general become to form the extreme. Don't you think? :)

[caitycaity]

"Well, for me, the pain and fear will never go away. I'm changed forever. "

snoopy, you know i feel the same way. :(

[stevets]

Originally posted by Goofyposter
Groosch Stevets....it might be ah *tad* of a generalization to say the ideology of Islam is evil dern't yer think?

I'm no scholar of anything...especially not Islam...but it strikes me that anything else in life...a group, organization, town, club etc.., is only as good as the people who are it's memebers.

Certainly, clearly...there are extremists...dare I say it, in every group....but perhaps...it's those who take things either out of context, or form their conclusions before seeking out an honest survey of all the readings who general become to form the extreme. Don't you think? :) All you have to do is read the koran and you'll see it is in fact evil. Never mind that most practitioners of the religion support the active extremists.

[NoodlesTheRabbit]

I don't feel that people should stay home from work out of fear. I do, however, think that it should be designated a national day of rememberance to be observed with loved ones. My fiance works for a phone company who is refraining from any types of sales calls that day, believing that it is poor taste. I agree.

[Towncrier]

I saw something on TV last night that said to the effect that the emotional impact of 9/11 is three times worse on residents of New York City and the surrounding area than on the rest of the country. I imagine that the people surrounding the Pentegon and those near the site of the plane crash in Pennsylvania should be included in this group as well. I suppose that this emotional effect is due in part to the close proximity to the tragedy and the greater probability that they were directly effected by the events of that day. I saw evidence here on the DIS in the days and weeks that followed 9/11/01 that the DISfolk closer to ground zero seemed to have a higher anxiety level and I personally cannot imagine the feelings and emotions that were experienced by those so close to the attacks on that day. I told folks then and I'll say it again now. I could turn off the television and radio and get away from the nightmare of that day, even if only for a few moments. Those who could see the smoke from their homes did not have the luxury of an off switch.

Am I worried or supersticious about the anniversary of September 11th. Not really. But that's just my opinion. Will I remember those who lost their lives that day. Absolutely. And I'll remember to say a prayer for the survivors and the heros of one of the darkest days in American history.

[Saphire]

The only reason I would like to stay home from work that day is not because I am afraid, but because I would like to get a box of tissues and sit down in front of the TV (a rare occurrence for me) and remember and grieve for all the lost lives and broken families. I hope we have a moment of silence at the hospital I work at, seems the very least we could do.

[Kermit]

I'm not planning on avoiding anything in particular on 9/11. I can understand a reasonable amount of caution. For example, if I worked in the Empire State Building, I don't think I'd want to go to work that day. (I wouldn't want to work in a tall building ever, for that matter. I've always been freaked out by being high up in buildings, and 9/11 did nothing to alleviate my fears.)

I can see not wanting my baby's birthday to be 9/11 as well. But I'd have my tonsils taken out that day.

I never really thought about not doing things on December 7. That's an interesting point. My grandfather is a Pearl Harbor survivor, so the day never goes by unnoticed, even though I was born decades after WWII. I guess as time goes by we start to forget. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It probably has both positive and negative aspects.

[DocRafiki]

I don't see it as superstitious.

a) If they attack again this year, it wouldn't be the first time that terrorists struck on an anniversary (OK city, one i can think of). So, I do think it's rational to be more worried that day, just like we were more alert on July 4th. There seems to be a lot of symbolism involved with terrorism. How great would they think it was if they pulled off another 9/11 in spite of possibly heightened security?

b) I wouldn't want a birthday on 9/11. Who wants to celebrate on that day? And I've had 9/11 comments made about my birthday, and it's a week later! I'm sure the 9/11 date shock will fade, but for now it doesn't seem to be a good day to plan a birthday or anniversary.

c) this has to do with (b) - I wasn't around during Pearl Harbor, obviously. But was the actual date so widely-discussed then? We now call it "Pearl Harbor," not "December 7th." Unless we come up with another name for 9-11, it will be "September 11th." No one will ever forget that date. We all still remember "Columbine," but do we remember what date it was?

d) elective surgeries - I would rather see all the memorial events that will be occuring and have the surgery another day. They also might be worried about more attacks occuring [see (a)], which I consider logical rather than superstitious.

[allicat]

I dont think I'll be afraid or supersticious on that day. However, my sense of security has been shattered. I always have the feeling of what might happen next. I think I may feel a bit uneasy on that day.
On this upcoming Sept. 11th I'll also be feeling sad reflecting on the terrible loss of life and all the heartache the victims families and friends are suffering.
I consider myself blessed that noone I knew was involved. However, being from NJ in an area where many commute into the city, there were many victims from this area.