So... Where is the next DVC resort going to be?

[CrazyDuck]

So we got the WDW resorts and VB in Florida, HHI in South Carolina, VGC in at DL, and soon Aulani in Hawaii. Where is the next DVC resort going to be built? Are they going back to WDW even though there are still a few unsold resorts? Do they try another at DL even though they can't sell out the current 50 unit offering. Maybe another island in Hawaii (Maui maybe) even though they have no idea how well Aulani will sell? Do they go international next to one of their other parks (Paris, HK Tokyo) and would current DVCers support a resort built so far away? How about another vacation spot in the US; Colorado, Utah, Salt Lake (even though not as popular year round), Vegas or NY (not very kid centric), Grand Canyon, Yellowstone or some other national park (is there enough to do for 7+ days)? Just curious what everyone wants... :confused:

[TLPL]

and would current DVCers support a resort built so far away?

But the goal is attract NEW DVCers, not just setting add-ons to current DCVers. There is a whole world of people out there, outside of these people who are on here. :rotfl:

[WRWDisney]

In no particular order, Washington DC and Tokyo and on Bay Lake. Why you say? Well, Disney has already announced that they will be building a 500 room hotel at National Harbor (just across the river from DC). Their current model seems to be to incorporate at least a small DVC component in each new hotel, so...

On Bay Lake, I would anticipate that they will build a sister tower to BLT, where the other garden wing currently stands. If that is not possible (stability of the ground to support a tower), then I would look for them to build/convert some rooms at the Poly or the Grand Floridian (no inside info, it just seems that as the only two Deluxes left w/o a DVC component, that they would be the next logical choice. If that were to take place, I would anticipate that we will have a BLT repeat (i.e., "We don't know what you mean...there is no construction going on over there....no that giant tower rising from behind the construction fence is a figment of your imagination." I would not expect an announcement till AKV was almost sold out (given how the BLT sales have cut into AKV sales pace and price--I do not expect them to make that mistake again).

Finally, I think the westward expansion has been very intentional on DVC's part. The Asian market is huge and tremendously important to them. I think you will find that atleast half of the Hawaii contracts sold will be for large point allocations and be bought with Japan, Korea and China on the return address labels. Think about it, if you have a DVC in Tokyo (where there is already a park) Hawaii and California, then why not come over and drop a few bucks in Florida, since you are so close.

Alright, the Mighty Kreskin will now put away his crystal ball now.

[papertraveller]

The point about attracting Asian buyers in Hawaii is a very smart one strategically. Expand your pool of customers, create distinct product, and in the process expand your cachement area too. Nice..
For the next location, I would suggest that they try to expand the European exposure at DLP ... we're hoping to get there next year, and are looking at using Marriott points to get into their timeshare. :scared1:
And then, of course, if they were to add something at the Poly, I'd be so in.

[Simba's Mom]

Where do I THINK the next one will be-at a Disney park. Depending on the success of the Villas at Grand Californian, it may be in Tokyo, or it may be at WDW (think Polynesian). Where do I WANT the next one to be built-someplace that's not so tropical, with a winter season. I love the idea of the Yellowstone area, but I don't think so. Maybe Colorado, northern New York or New England.

[pinnocchiosdad]

I was thinking about what they will do next in Florida when I was at BLT last month. With the sucess of BLT and the incentive of being on the monorail, I was thinking they could build between GF and MK. It would be a mirror image of BLt but just on the other side of the lake. There is plenty of room. Since there is no existing rsort, the monorail could stop right inside the lobby instead of having to cross a bridge. I think it would be cool.:thumbsup2

[rutgers1]

I am not so sure that monorail access will play into their plans. They have already shown that they can sell out places with no monorail access. I just hope that, if they build one in a place with no theme park direct access, that they don't make the mistake they did with SSR. The are a bunch of problems with SSR, but the main ones are that it is HUGE, not near a park, and the theming is just "ok." If you are going to build a resort away from the parks, it has to be themed beyond comparison.

[silmarg]

I dont think Tokyo would get a DVC as Disney does not own that park.

Paris is more likely.

[SnowWhite2]

they don't make the mistake they did with SSR. The are a bunch of problems with SSR, but the main ones are that it is HUGE, not near a park, and the theming is just "ok."

That's your opinion. My family loves SSR. There are not endless corridors to navigate to get to my room....after I've walked a mile from the parking lot! It may be huge but I don't have an entire hotel full of guests walking past my room. The theming is a nice break after the in your face characters all day. The fact that SSR is close to DTD and a bunch of retail, restaurants and entertainment suits me fine.

[bbluvsdis]

I would love to see something at GF! I am not interested in the theming at BLT and would love the close proximity to MK. They could convert some of the rooms already there so the investment wouldn't be as great.

[crewmatt]

DVC is coming to the national harbor in DC. The wife and I were there the other night, it seems like it'll be an interesting setup.

[crewmatt]

Idk, I like the sprawling resort style, but probably because I'm a runner and the trails at POR were just gorgeous. But we also stayed close to the main building. We're doing BWV in a few months, and then AKV in January. I'd say I hope they do more setups like Beach/Yacht/Boardwalk where resorts are walkable to each other. Just because I think its so nice to be able to resort hop with little or no effort. You can goto any of those main restaurants and just stumble back to the hotel. most nights in our last trip involved transferring in downtown disney after dinner to get home. Plus it has easy access to epcot.

[NewDCLGuy]

I'll be shocked if the next resort isn't BLT II

[silmarg]

i think it would be Poly over GF.

[DVCconvert]

So... Where is the next DVC resort going to be?


Perhaps it will be.....

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/moon-1.jpg

Disney's Lunar Tic Bay Resort

:lmao:

[kristie03]

DVC is coming to the national harbor in DC. The wife and I were there the other night, it seems like it'll be an interesting setup.

Is there any construction going on at the National Harbor site?

[Dean]

That's your opinion. My family loves SSR. There are not endless corridors to navigate to get to my room....after I've walked a mile from the parking lot! It may be huge but I don't have an entire hotel full of guests walking past my room. The theming is a nice break after the in your face characters all day. The fact that SSR is close to DTD and a bunch of retail, restaurants and entertainment suits me fine.SSR is a nice resort but it's relative demand compared to the other resorts is less. IMO, it's important to the health of the DVC system that new resort have at least an average OVERALL demand compared to the other resorts and even better if the demand is above average. That means that a new resort needs to have a higher overall demand than SSR, VB and HH, OKW would be included in this group were it not for the lower points. This is difficult to do as a Disney destination if not a park associated option. Even HI may not meet those goals and is even less likely to meet the sales goals unless a fundamental change in sales tactics is made.

There are other mistakes DVC has made in the non WDW options as well including cutting corners on land prices and ending up with a resort that was less than it could have been. They did avoid that mistake for HI I think so hopefully that will help. The other issue is that they have had overly optimistic sales projections for off property options and this has led the 2 previous off property options to fall into the failure category from a sales standpoint in DVC's eyes. IMO, they set themselves up for what they got.

As for National Harbour, I won't believe it'll happen as a resort until walls go up (beyond signs and stakes). I won't believe it'll have a DVC component until I see it in writing from a Disney source.

HI sales will be interesting because in order to sell the resort there they will have to do things they have not done before to get guests to tour (promo stays, tour incentives, phone calls to guests, etc) and will need to be at least somewhat more aggressive on the sales side than they have been traditionally.

I'm truly hoping they are able to successfully expand the DVC system because it gives us more options as members but I think there are certain realities that many overlook.

[nunzia]

Didn't they have some sort of survey a year or so back? If I remember correctly, it seems that Tahoe and Vegas were mentioned.

[Dean]

Didn't they have some sort of survey a year or so back? If I remember correctly, it seems that Tahoe and Vegas were mentioned.Vegas is overbuilt for timeshares but it is not as seasonal as many places.

[hakepb]

I am not so sure that monorail access will play into their plans. They have already shown that they can sell out places with no monorail access. I just hope that, if they build one in a place with no theme park direct access, that they don't make the mistake they did with SSR. The are a bunch of problems with SSR, but the main ones are that it is HUGE, not near a park, and the theming is just "ok." If you are going to build a resort away from the parks, it has to be themed beyond comparison.

DVC did choose overwhelming themeing on their next resort, AKV. I think AKV has been sucessful, but does not seem to be a runaway sales hit. It really does seem to take a little more to convince someone to stay at AKL/V the first time (in part because Disney always promoted Deluxes on location and transportation) Even when you look at WDW travel guides, AKL is always a top deluxe recommendation. Most people love AKL/V after they try it (I did!)

The combination of very different and less than perfect location seems to be less of a slam-dunk than BLT with location, location, location.

On a side note, DVC is/has corrected many of the SSR weaknesses. They added Turf Club for sit-down dining. They added Grandstand with a kids play area at the pool, with pool bar. They added a desireable and unique THV and they are now adding a 2nd major water theme area with food service to the more "remote" Paddock and near Carousel...

[starbox]

recession island?

[Maistre Gracey]

Castaway Cay...
I don't really think it would be practical, but it would be nice!!

MG

[Dean]

Castaway Cay...
I don't really think it would be practical, but it would be nice!!

MGIn many ways it's a good choice but cost to build would be something and I don't think they could legally use the cruise ships as the means of transportation for such stays if they stop in the UY during that time.

[Maistre Gracey]

In many ways it's a good choice but cost to build would be something and I don't think they could legally use the cruise ships as the means of transportation for such stays if they stop in the UY during that time.
Yup... The transportation is why I don't believe it's practical.
Even if they could use the ships, the flexibility of check-in/out days would be limited.
I also thought of some sort of rotation between the cruise and the island, but that would be very complex. You know... Some get off the ship for DVC, while some DVCers get on the ship for the remainder of the cruise.

MG

[jennypenny]

I wonder if they'll build something closer to the cruise port. I've always thought that the mistake they made with VB was building it a little too far from the cruise ports. It's not close to Disney's port, but it's not close to the southern ports either (FL and Miami). If it were near PC it would be a nice place to round out a cruise vacation. They made other mistakes also with VB, but I think that was the main one.

I think transportation is a main issue, which is why BLT and BCV have had the fastest sales. I like the idea of building a resort along the epcot monorail line near that old runway. I also think the Richard Petty thing is a big waste of prime real estate and could be another MK area resort. (I like the RP thing, but is should be near WWoS).

Honestly, when Disney sold off the land for the non-Disney resorts out past the campground and scrapped Eagle Pines, I figured they were done building stand-along DVC resorts.

[AUTigerFan]

Yup... The transportation is why I don't believe it's practical.
Even if they could use the ships, the flexibility of check-in/out days would be limited.
I also thought of some sort of rotation between the cruise and the island, but that would be very complex. You know... Some get off the ship for DVC, while some DVCers get on the ship for the remainder of the cruise.

MG

I have heard that the bugs are a huge issue at night at Castaway Cay...so much so that the few CM's who live there have to stay indoors after sundown.

[Dean]

I also thought of some sort of rotation between the cruise and the island, but that would be very complex. You know... Some get off the ship for DVC, while some DVCers get on the ship for the remainder of the cruise.

MGI don't think they could do it that way with the current homeland security rules. RCCL used to have a ship that picked up and let off in both NO and Tampa and that had to be stopped. IF they could work it where it was legal to have some get off and some stay on, I could see this working out fairly well. You'd create land/sea package not that much different from what they do now but with a set rotation of 3/4 days on the island for the Dream/Wonder and 7 day rotations possibly for the Magic. It'd still have to be a fairly low volume, high cost option but I think there are possibilities if the construction and maint costs weren't too much. I think it'd have to be cash and not DVC though to make it workable.

[Deb & Bill]

Nowhere I hope. I hope they are done and concentrate on what they have already.

[CrazyDuck]

DVC is coming to the national harbor in DC. The wife and I were there the other night, it seems like it'll be an interesting setup.

Nah I don't think so... At least not for DVC... With DVC you want to build in a place that people will want to return year after year. WDW, DLR, and Hawaii are all places where people like to visit every year. No one wants a history lesson every year. DC is a place you do once or twice in your life... Not every year!

A lot of people like to do annual Ski/Snowboard trips... I'd be surprised if someplace like Tahoe, Aspen, Salt Lake, Vail were not considered for a DVC location because those would be great year round locations... People can do the snow activities in the winter and in the summer they can mt. bike, golf, fish, boating, rafting etc...

[dvc_john]

A lot of people like to do annual Ski/Snowboard trips... I'd be surprised if someplace like Tahoe, Aspen, Salt Lake, Vail were not considered for a DVC location because those would be great year round locations... People can do the snow activities in the winter and in the summer they can mt. bike, golf, fish, boating, rafting etc...

Beaver Creek Colorado (near Vail) was to have a DVC timeshare, but it never came about (just like Newport Beach California and New York City). The site is now a Hyatt timeshare.

[CrazyDuck]

Beaver Creek Colorado (near Vail) was to have a DVC timeshare, but it never came about. The site is now a Hyatt timeshare.

That's so sad... I love Beaver Creek!!!

[ILuvMulan]

Nah I don't think so... At least not for DVC... With DVC you want to build in a place that people will want to return year after year. WDW, DLR, and Hawaii are all places where people like to visit every year. No one wants a history lesson every year. DC is a place you do once or twice in your life... Not every year! ...

Not to be disagreeable, but we would love a DC DVC. I know I am raising 3 serious nerds, but my kids have been to DC three times, are going back next month, and want to go back for spring break 2011. The wonderful thing about DC is once you get there almost everything is free except the metro. If they put the DVC at National Harbor and it is near the metro we would absolutely be buying points!!!DC is like Disney in that you can never see it all.

[Brian Noble]

they put the DVC at National Harbor and it is near the metro
Unfortunately, the National Harbor plot has very poor transit connectivity to the District at the moment---they run a shuttle bus to a metro stop. Possibly an increase in water taxi service would help, but you'd still have to transfer to get almost anywhere interesting.

In my view, they may have repeated the "skimp on land costs" mistake that Dean alluded to above.

[mickeys girl 52]

I am not so sure that monorail access will play into their plans. They have already shown that they can sell out places with no monorail access. I just hope that, if they build one in a place with no theme park direct access, that they don't make the mistake they did with SSR. The are a bunch of problems with SSR, but the main ones are that it is HUGE, not near a park, and the theming is just "ok." If you are going to build a resort away from the parks, it has to be themed beyond comparison.

I believe they are trying to "Jazz" up Saratoga. They are adding a 2nd cool pool with a large slide and counter meal . I think Disney realizes that many buy there but try to stay elsewhere when they can.

[oct2014]

Not to be disagreeable, but we would love a DC DVC. I know I am raising 3 serious nerds, but my kids have been to DC three times, are going back next month, and want to go back for spring break 2011. The wonderful thing about DC is once you get there almost everything is free except the metro. If they put the DVC at National Harbor and it is near the metro we would absolutely be buying points!!!DC is like Disney in that you can never see it all.

Agree! (I loved going to the museums as a kid.) But whether the logistics of that particular location work is beyond me. Still, if it happened I would seriously consider buying!

I think Disney realizes that many buy there but try to stay elsewhere when they can.

We bought at SSR and do enjoy staying there, although we want to at least check out the other resorts. I just think it works best for members that don't spend all of their time at WDW. It is kind of like telling someone to choose BLT if spending time at MK and BCV or BWV if spending time at Epcot and HS. For example, we always go to DTD and have some meals off property. In fact, we are planning a trip right now that we would only consider OKW, SSR, or AKV because we will be spending much of our time at the convention center. I realize that is not the typical WDW trip, but I'm sure occasionally DVCers go to other attractions in the area! Like the commentary on some of the other speculations, whether the location is convenient to attractions in the area can greatly impact interest. The problem with SSR is that it is convenient if you want to spend your money outside of WDW!

Caroline

[Dean]

While I think there are things they can do to improve the demand of SSR, I don't think they can compensate for it's location and size enough to even out the demand compared to the more destination DVC resorts. Booking categories should help some as well. One of the best options was left on the table initially, lower points more comparable to OKW.

[TLPL]

I agree with Dean, SSR's point requirement is too high, compara to the nearby lowest point per night anywhere OKW, or highly themed AKL or the great location of BWV. I only stay at SSR if there is nothing else available.

[crewmatt]

Hey sorry for my lag in posting. So there is no real construction going on that I saw, probably waiting for spring to start digging and pouring foundation. There are signs all over about it, and maps laying out what things are going to look like. If you're from the area, think Reston 4 years ago.

I'm curious to see how well the satellite DVC's are going to work out. Obviously Disney is just trying to cancel probably one of the largest qualms they hear from purchasers which is oh I'll only be able to use my membership at Disney World or Disneyland, as well as to decrease its dependence on the theme parks. By building these offsite locations they allow for people to travel more outside of WDW with their membership. I've never seen HH or VB so I don't really know what their like, but I hope the one thing that Disney tries to retain is the whole idea of entering like a story realm. Thats the biggest perk I've seen of staying on site at disney (sure the transportation etc is nice and I love all the other perks) is that you're not staying at a hotel, you're staying in some location, be it New Orleans, Carribean Beach, Yachtclub, and obviously Animal Kingdom and Poly just exemplify it. It'd be really nice if they managed to set up some kind of turn the whole city/location into a resort with organized trips/etc. There's a ton to do in and around DC, and Disney could really turn that location into something incredible if they tried to make doing everything in DC as easy as it is doing everytihng in the parks.

[NewDCLGuy]

Vegas is overbuilt for timeshares but it is not as seasonal as many places. IIRC, Disney's idea for Vegas wasn't a timeshare in Vegas, but a Palm Springs-esc resort near Vegas.

The was something kinda-like that at "Lake Las Vegas" - a resort area 30 minutes outside of town. It's been a financial disaster, with huge losses on the gold courses, private home owners and the resorts themselves - one a Loews, the other a Ritz-Carlton (the only Ritz-Carlton to ever go bankrupt).

I'm guessing that idea is now dead.

[La2kw]

While I think there are things they can do to improve the demand of SSR, I don't think they can compensate for it's location and size enough to even out the demand compared to the more destination DVC resorts. Booking categories should help some as well. One of the best options was left on the table initially, lower points more comparable to OKW.

As much as I enjoy staying at SSR, I agree that the points are too high. I also agree that booking categories would make it more desirable. However, one of the things we enjoy about it is that it is a quieter resort, we love OKW for the same reasons. I find the Epcot resort area way too crowded and AKV too far removed from everything.

[Deb & Bill]

I wish they would eliminate all booking categories. I hated it when they added the "Near HH" for OKW. That means now that you might not get your stay if they have 3 nights near HH and 4 nights non-near HH. Any other time that would be seven nights wherever at OKW.

[Dean]

I wish they would eliminate all booking categories. I hated it when they added the "Near HH" for OKW. That means now that you might not get your stay if they have 3 nights near HH and 4 nights non-near HH. Any other time that would be seven nights wherever at OKW.I think that's a pretty unusual situation and really more of a theoretical problem than a real one when booking appropriately ahead, esp with the current rules where you can book up to 7 days at one pop and particularly at OKW. Given my focus is always going to be on what's best for the owners at a given resort and feel that other DVC owners who don't own at that resort should always be the ones that are left out when there is a choice to make. Certainly it's a possibility at the resorts with smaller numbers of such units in a given category with AKV concierge being the poster child for that situation.

[famgel]

Perhaps it will be.....

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/moon-1.jpg

Disney's Lunar Tic Bay Resort

:lmao:

GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::

P.S. I'm in!

[iwrbnd]

I hope the DC one happens! And my boys would love a Colorado one!

[zalansky]

I have a friend who lives in the DC area, not too far from the land that has been marked with DVC signs. She told me that its not even that close to DC itself and also - its in a bad part of town. Can anyone confirm that? when I heard there was going to be one there, I envisioned something right in the heart of DC, not in a bad part of town 30 minutes away. :confused3

[kristie03]

National Harbor is not in the heart of DC, however, it isn't really that far away either.... I also wouldn't say its in a bad part of town. The area perhaps used to be a bit blech, but the area has gone through a massive transformation....this is the website

http://www.nationalharbor.com/consumer/home.htm

[Dean]

I have a friend who lives in the DC area, not too far from the land that has been marked with DVC signs. She told me that its not even that close to DC itself and also - its in a bad part of town. Can anyone confirm that? when I heard there was going to be one there, I envisioned something right in the heart of DC, not in a bad part of town 30 minutes away. :confused3It's not a bad part of town but it's off the metro and not that easy to get to without a car or shuttle. It's actually a very nice area, basically a self contained manufactured convention area with a few upscale shops, some nice hotels including the Gaylord and some very nice if not relatively expensive restaurants (ketchup, McCormick and Schmict (? sp) and the like.

[sissy_42]

National Harbor is not in the heart of DC, however, it isn't really that far away either.... I also wouldn't say its in a bad part of town. The area perhaps used to be a bit blech, but the area has gone through a massive transformation....this is the website

http://www.nationalharbor.com/consumer/home.htm

One of the frames on the scroll on the front page says "National Harbor welcomes Disney" Then the article goes on to talk about Disney's purchase of land there. I'm excited as I have wanted to visit DC for years and I may have an excuse soon. :goodvibes

[MarvelousMadamMimm]

Do you suppose there is any pressure to keep a certain ratio of off-property: on-property points? I mean, if lots of resorts are built outside the world, theoretically it could become extremely difficult to get a reservation at one of the WDW resorts if you didn't own there. And, honestly, isn't part of the allure of owning a DVC resort anywhere the option of staying at WDW at least now and then?

F'rinstance, will they need to follow Aulani with another on-property resort, just to keep WDW accessible to owners at HHI, VB, and Aulani?

Personally, I don't really see the DC project as likely to be part of the DVC, except as the "Disney Collection." Yes, there are people that love the city, but I'm not sure there is really a huge market for it as an annual vacation property. Unless there's somebody on the Board who's still so married to the old "Disney's Great America" concept that they're insisting on keeping part of it alive.:lmao:

I do agree, too, with the general consensus that a new on-property resort needs to be one of two things:

1. Either very convenient to the parks -

There are the famous "resorts that never were," after all, and one wonders if any of those bits and pieces could be salvaged:
land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/2009/07/hotels_that_never_were_at_walt_1.html

The ever-popular suggestions of DVC additions at the Poly or GF. (Last Dec it seemed that the Poly was looking a wee bit faded.. would refurb time be a good time to move some of the hotel rooms into villas?)

I've heard it suggested that there are some potential sites on the EPCOT monorail loop.

The hubs keeps hoping for a 30's/40's Hollywood themed hotel near DHS. ;-) I'm thinkin' he's dreaming.

2. - So elaborately and exuberant themed as to be nearly an attraction unto itself. I know a lot of people like SSR - but just stopping in for a tour we were a little floored by the distance, the inconvenience (Well, it WAS raining - all day long), and the fact that it seemed more a like a hotel anywhere than at Disney specifically. I can see it for those who often don't do the parks or don't do them much. I can really see it for golfers. AKV, OTOH, seems to have more of an appeal for BOTH park-goers and people who want to just stay at the resort and soak up the atmosphere. One wonders, however, how they would top that, in a manner of speaking. OK, we've done live animals.... now what?

After all, the rest of the resorts in the system are all based on a real time and place.... so, what time and place could allow them to build something whose internal attractions (dining, pool, theme, activities) might outweigh inconvenience due to location?

Hee. It's a favorite topic at home. :blush:

While I'm fairly sure that the upcoming webcast portion featuring the Imagineer discussing the future of WDW is going to be on the Fantasy Land expansion... one can't help sort of hoping it's a new resort, instead!

[PinkTink63]

That's your opinion. My family loves SSR. There are not endless corridors to navigate to get to my room....after I've walked a mile from the parking lot! It may be huge but I don't have an entire hotel full of guests walking past my room. The theming is a nice break after the in your face characters all day. The fact that SSR is close to DTD and a bunch of retail, restaurants and entertainment suits me fine.

Thank you! I was thinking just that after I read the previous post! The OP made it sound like the resort is 50 miles away from the parks!:rotfl: I just don't know why people can't believe that there are many of us that really like SSR! I think that all of the resorts have something to offer! There are also good and not so good things at all of them, as well.

[Tigger031266]

I vote for a cruise ship DVC. Higher points but I think it would sell very quickly.

I personally would like a DC DVC but I really really think it would be a poor seller. I dont think people would want DC as a home resort.

I would forget any talk of a westward strategy. DVC will build where they can get the most dollars NOW. I bet another BLT tower, Grand Floridian or Poly.

A cruise DVC could go for $150pp, BLT for $110pp, Poly $120pp and $GF120pp

[DVCAustralia]

Clearly the economy has made any sales projections by DVD during construction of the existing resorts redundant, it is a matter of taking cover and hoping for the best in terms of selling out AKV and GCV as well as selling SSR points again due to the treehouses. It must be incredibly frustrating to the guides that having sold out SSR just before the major downturn they are now lumped with more SSR points to sell, which by extension makes selling out AKV that much more difficult. Obviously selling out BLT would not be a problem if it was the sole focus.
Until WDW gets closer to sell out it would be a brave call to add any other resorts to the sales roster, however planning and construction is different. Obviously they must have something to replace the existing inventory and it is likely to be another tower at Contemporary if possible, otherwise the take over of existing rooms or addition of new rooms at Poly and/or GF. These latter options would also provide a sales surge in add-ons as they would be unique. Keep in mind that DVD seems to be a good side business going in buying up 2042 OKW contracts and selling 2057 contracts to the public and this may extend to the other 2042 contracts in the medium term.
As for outside WDW, with National Harbour as the exception I do not expect ANY new DVC for years as HI will keep them very busy for at least a few years.
As for other Disney parks, Tokyo is out as they do not own it and anyway I do not think timeshare is even allowed in Japan, Hong Kong is out as they only own some of it and there are significant land restrictions, Shanghai is a possibility but this is years away at the earliest, and they had their chance at Paris and blew it when Marriott took the opportunity. It is still an option but given Marriott is already there, they only own some of it, and Europe is in even more of a mess than the US I highly doubt it would ever happen.

[Dean]

Clearly the economy has made any sales projections by DVD during construction of the existing resorts redundant, it is a matter of taking cover and hoping for the best in terms of selling out AKV and GCV as well as selling SSR points again due to the treehouses. It must be incredibly frustrating to the guides that having sold out SSR just before the major downturn they are now lumped with more SSR points to sell, which by extension makes selling out AKV that much more difficult. Obviously selling out BLT would not be a problem if it was the sole focus.
Until WDW gets closer to sell out it would be a brave call to add any other resorts to the sales roster, however planning and construction is different. Obviously they must have something to replace the existing inventory and it is likely to be another tower at Contemporary if possible, otherwise the take over of existing rooms or addition of new rooms at Poly and/or GF. These latter options would also provide a sales surge in add-ons as they would be unique. Keep in mind that DVD seems to be a good side business going in buying up 2042 OKW contracts and selling 2057 contracts to the public and this may extend to the other 2042 contracts in the medium term.
As for outside WDW, with National Harbour as the exception I do not expect ANY new DVC for years as HI will keep them very busy for at least a few years.
As for other Disney parks, Tokyo is out as they do not own it and anyway I do not think timeshare is even allowed in Japan, Hong Kong is out as they only own some of it and there are significant land restrictions, Shanghai is a possibility but this is years away at the earliest, and they had their chance at Paris and blew it when Marriott took the opportunity. It is still an option but given Marriott is already there, they only own some of it, and Europe is in even more of a mess than the US I highly doubt it would ever happen.I know RCI has a number of timeshares in Japan but I don't know if new ones are allowed. Given it takes years to plan and build such a resort, that a desirable resort helps current sales, and that we're already well into the sales phase of both AKV and BLT; I don't think those resorts would deter an off property resort that makes sense otherwise. I could see the economy itself holding up a possible project but not the current sales situation.

[DISNEY FIX]

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Poly.:cool1:

[TLPL]

I think the next DVC resort will be at original Disneyland Hotel. If they want more people to buy at DLR they can't have just one resort there. People may be worry about not be able to make reservation at their own home resort since most of the people staying there now are owners of WDW's resorts. They need to have more DVC options there if they want it to success.

[JasonDVC]

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Poly.:cool1:

ahem...

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Grand Floridian.:cool1:

[mnra]

ahem...

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Grand Floridian.:cool1:

Give people what they want and lower maintenance cost lol

[Dean]

Give people what they want and lower maintenance cost lolI don't think many people here would be happy with what is entailed in cutting maint fees. The easy things would be things like no T & T, minimum stays, pay to play for services not currently set up that way like fees to bank/borrow, less bus service, no 24 onsite front desk and many more such issues.

[mnra]

I don't think many people here would be happy with what is entailed in cutting maint fees. The easy things would be things like no T & T, minimum stays, pay to play for services not currently set up that way like fees to bank/borrow, less bus service, no 24 onsite front desk and many more such issues.

To start with it was a joke since we know disney only has one way prices and that usually is up. But in all seriousness I am not unhappy with the maintenance fees just that they took my valet away. lol

[Dean]

To start with it was a joke since we know disney only has one way prices and that usually is up. But in all seriousness I am not unhappy with the maintenance fees just that they took my valet away. lolLOL, I'm glad you're OK with fees that are generally 30-40% higher than other timeshares of the same quality.

[mnra]

LOL, I'm glad you're OK with fees that are generally 30-40% higher than other timeshares of the same quality.

According to my guide there are no other timeshares anywhere that are the same quality as disney

[Dean]

According to my guide there are no other timeshares anywhere that are the same quality as disneyThen I'd get a new and honest guide. Obviously it depends to a degree on how you're comparing and what's important to you. Ignoring the on property issue (I know you can't totally separate it but you must somewhat to compare resorts), there are a number of resorts that are at or above the level of the DVC resorts. If you compare off property making the issues even more comparable, the 2 Marriott's just south of VB and the 3 top Marriott's on HH are generally considered superior to the DVC resorts in many areas. For Orlando, the Hilton's, 2 or 3 Marriott's and possibly The Fountains are at least equal if not better resorts in many areas than are the DVC resorts. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder but as a minimum there are maybe a good 100 resorts (mostly Marriott's, Hyatt's, Hilton's, Westin's, Royals and a few others) that are at least comparable and some would say above. Then there's the Ritz and Four Seasons that are clearly above in most areas.

Besides the obvious flexibility of the system, Themes and on property location for some; I'd also look at location, room size, furnishings, activities, appearance and the like. In these areas DVC tends to lag behind many of the others I'm referencing other than the location for Theme parks.

[Mickey'sApprentice]

Do you suppose there is any pressure to keep a certain ratio of off-property: on-property points? I mean, if lots of resorts are built outside the world, theoretically it could become extremely difficult to get a reservation at one of the WDW resorts if you didn't own there. And, honestly, isn't part of the allure of owning a DVC resort anywhere the option of staying at WDW at least now and then?

F'rinstance, will they need to follow Aulani with another on-property resort, just to keep WDW accessible to owners at HHI, VB, and Aulani?

Personally, I don't really see the DC project as likely to be part of the DVC, except as the "Disney Collection." Yes, there are people that love the city, but I'm not sure there is really a huge market for it as an annual vacation property. Unless there's somebody on the Board who's still so married to the old "Disney's Great America" concept that they're insisting on keeping part of it alive.:lmao:

I do agree, too, with the general consensus that a new on-property resort needs to be one of two things:

1. Either very convenient to the parks -

There are the famous "resorts that never were," after all, and one wonders if any of those bits and pieces could be salvaged:
land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/2009/07/hotels_that_never_were_at_walt_1.html

The ever-popular suggestions of DVC additions at the Poly or GF. (Last Dec it seemed that the Poly was looking a wee bit faded.. would refurb time be a good time to move some of the hotel rooms into villas?)

I've heard it suggested that there are some potential sites on the EPCOT monorail loop.

The hubs keeps hoping for a 30's/40's Hollywood themed hotel near DHS. ;-) I'm thinkin' he's dreaming.

2. - So elaborately and exuberant themed as to be nearly an attraction unto itself. I know a lot of people like SSR - but just stopping in for a tour we were a little floored by the distance, the inconvenience (Well, it WAS raining - all day long), and the fact that it seemed more a like a hotel anywhere than at Disney specifically. I can see it for those who often don't do the parks or don't do them much. I can really see it for golfers. AKV, OTOH, seems to have more of an appeal for BOTH park-goers and people who want to just stay at the resort and soak up the atmosphere. One wonders, however, how they would top that, in a manner of speaking. OK, we've done live animals.... now what?

After all, the rest of the resorts in the system are all based on a real time and place.... so, what time and place could allow them to build something whose internal attractions (dining, pool, theme, activities) might outweigh inconvenience due to location?

Hee. It's a favorite topic at home. :blush:

While I'm fairly sure that the upcoming webcast portion featuring the Imagineer discussing the future of WDW is going to be on the Fantasy Land expansion... one can't help sort of hoping it's a new resort, instead!

I've thought that it would be interesting to have an off-property site with an on-site component. I don't know how it would work exactly. I'm thinking you would get even years in Gatlinburg for instance, and odd years at the new "X" resort at WDW, or vice-versa. That particular setup, I think, would be popular to people in the Southeast who enjoy both Disney and a destination near home. Maybe that was what Disney was thinking about when they set up the 7-11 month windows. The Disney collection points charts have not been a good option for off-property owners since I've owned. Another thought would be to allow ownerships that add up to 160 points that have points for 2 different resorts.

[tgropp]

My thinking would be that they will go to the Grand Floridian. Just a hunch as that would be my dream spot.

[mnra]

Then I'd get a new and honest guide. Obviously it depends to a degree on how you're comparing and what's important to you. Ignoring the on property issue (I know you can't totally separate it but you must somewhat to compare resorts), there are a number of resorts that are at or above the level of the DVC resorts. If you compare off property making the issues even more comparable, the 2 Marriott's just south of VB and the 3 top Marriott's on HH are generally considered superior to the DVC resorts in many areas. For Orlando, the Hilton's, 2 or 3 Marriott's and possibly The Fountains are at least equal if not better resorts in many areas than are the DVC resorts. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder but as a minimum there are maybe a good 100 resorts (mostly Marriott's, Hyatt's, Hilton's, Westin's, Royals and a few others) that are at least comparable and some would say above. Then there's the Ritz and Four Seasons that are clearly above in most areas.

Besides the obvious flexibility of the system, Themes and on property location for some; I'd also look at location, room size, furnishings, activities, appearance and the like. In these areas DVC tends to lag behind many of the others I'm referencing other than the location for Theme parks.

Dean, It was a joke again. Sorry if it didn;t come off that way.

[White_Sox_Fan]

I vote for a cruise ship DVC. Higher points but I think it would sell very quickly.



Imagine the MF's on that. :scared1::scared1:

[podsnel]

According to my guide there are no other timeshares anywhere that are the same quality as disney

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I don't particularly want to own anything besides DVC because of my ongoing Disney obsession, but that's really funny!