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101DalmFan
02-24-2010, 10:25 PM
I'm confused. Hubby and I are currently in the condo we rent in winter and we are right on the ocean in Cape Canaveral. Just a few minutes ago, just after 11 pm, the Disney ship sailed by, on its way into port. I'm assuming it's the Wonder, but she shouldn't be here until 5 am or so tomorrow morning. Was there a change in schedule or is something wrong? How odd to arrive at this time of night!

sailingby
02-24-2010, 10:28 PM
I guess it would make sense that they just decided to head in early, but that's pretty atypical... Maybe there was a storm brewing at sea and they wanted to get into port to ensure safety? The only other thing I can think of is a medical emergency on board... I hope everyone and everything is okay... Hopefully someone will know more soon.

Chicogirl
02-24-2010, 10:33 PM
Your right, just clicked on the webcam, and there it was just passing by. I wonder what's up!

disfaninca
02-24-2010, 10:43 PM
OK, that's weird. I clicked on the Port Canaveral webcam, and it shows a totally different camera angle. You used to be able to see the Wonder/Magic docked (at least the bow of the ship) along with the terminal for the RCCL, but not now.

dunbarfamily
02-24-2010, 10:55 PM
Hoping everything is ok and they just decided to avoid a storm or something.

jblrn2b
02-24-2010, 11:13 PM
My curiosity is definitely peaked.

WDWKevin
02-24-2010, 11:17 PM
Wow, just checked the Radisson cam and the Wonder is there. Weird.

szubieta
02-24-2010, 11:21 PM
Were they at CC today? Maybe they left early to avoid weather.:confused3

WDWKevin
02-24-2010, 11:27 PM
She would have had a Sea Day if she was on a normal schedule this week.

szubieta
02-24-2010, 11:32 PM
Then I guess we'll have to wait. :confused3 :confused3 Just hope everyone is ok. :thumbsup2

WDWKevin
02-24-2010, 11:44 PM
My guess would be a Medical Debark.

dunbarfamily
02-25-2010, 12:31 AM
I just tried to pull up Radisson's webcam but it won't show me anything.

Still praying everything is ok.

truck1
02-25-2010, 12:59 AM
First question.
Are we sure its the Wonder?The Magic was having issues with vibrations in the rear of the ship so its not out of the realm of impossibility that she came home early for unsheduled maintanace.

Same thing could apply to the Wonder.(Medical reason would be my first guess)

A ship is much safer at sea than she is in Port, which is why during a hurricane, all of the ships go to sea, and then get behind the storm, or at least out of its way.Look at the 1st hand account of the Magics Stbd side where she rubbed the pier bumpers all night in the wind.

vvv
02-25-2010, 01:34 AM
I don't think it would be the Magic as somebody onboard the Magic posted Wednesday morning that due to expected weather at Grand Cayman they were going to skip that port and head towards the Bahamas and have an unscheduled stop at Nassau on Thursday followed by the normal stop at Castaway Cay on Friday.

Here is a link to the thread: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2404965

tigger2002
02-25-2010, 05:49 AM
Anything yet?? :confused3:surfweb:

Still there based on the webcam http://www.opusad.com/radissonwebcam/


Based on the Live Ship Tracker it is the Wonder http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

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PearlySwan
02-25-2010, 06:04 AM
I hope everything is OK.

tigger2002
02-25-2010, 06:09 AM
Anything yet?? :confused3:surfweb:

Still there based on the webcam at 7:00 AM http://www.opusad.com/radissonwebcam/


Based on the Live Ship Tracker it is the Wonder http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

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bump

Kay1
02-25-2010, 06:16 AM
We had some nasty weather yesterday here in the St. Petersburg area. Wind and rain blew in our current cold front. I wonder that and the two itinerary changes are related.

:confused:

Beachbumpirates
02-25-2010, 07:04 AM
TestTrackBoy we needed you on board THIS week to answer the question!

TestTrackBoy
02-25-2010, 07:09 AM
TestTrackBoy we needed you on board THIS week to answer the question!

Sorry... wish I could be there too!

Maryrn11168
02-25-2010, 07:37 AM
still no news???? Someone, anyone we need answers!!!!:confused3:confused3



popcorn::

Beachbumpirates
02-25-2010, 07:43 AM
The Port Canaveral webcam is showing a different view this morning, but I don't see a ship there. Did it maybe leave? Very strange....

scrapbookingpro
02-25-2010, 07:46 AM
A friend of mine works on the ship. It was indeed a medical emergency, but he did not say exactly what the emergency was.

RLP817
02-25-2010, 07:47 AM
The Port Canaveral webcam is showing a different view this morning, but I don't see a ship there. Did it maybe leave? Very strange....

The Radisson shows it is still there. I believ it's to the left of the current PC view.

truck1
02-25-2010, 08:41 AM
I don't think it would be the Magic as somebody onboard the Magic posted Wednesday morning that due to expected weather at Grand Cayman they were going to skip that port and head towards the Bahamas and have an unscheduled stop at Nassau on Thursday followed by the normal stop at Castaway Cay on Friday.

Here is a link to the thread: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=2404965



THank you.Hadnt seen the thread, and after talking to a few people from the Magic after the 8 day I was just guessing. I know its hard to tell the 2 apart at night.

tigger2002
02-25-2010, 09:05 AM
:rolleyes1 I can't believe you guys don't have any details yet

DVCconvert
02-25-2010, 09:45 AM
tigger2002said:
:rolleyes1 I can't believe you guys don't have any details yet


A friend of mine works on the ship. It was indeed a medical emergency, but he did not say exactly what the emergency was.

What other details had you hoped for Tigger2002? Blood Pressure + pulse perhaps?

:lmao:
;)

jworkkul
02-25-2010, 10:42 AM
Well, I hope it is nothing major!!!! Supposed to board on Sunday on the Wonder and I am WONDERING:rotfl: if that will be possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

misseulalie
02-25-2010, 11:46 AM
What other details had you hoped for Tigger2002? Blood Pressure + pulse perhaps?

:lmao:
;)

If it was a medical condition, wouldn't they have done a heli-vac? (Is that the term?)

I'm thinking it couldn't have been too much of an emergency with a slow ride back to port.:confused3

Mtopher4
02-25-2010, 11:52 AM
Yikes :( Subbing

DVCconvert
02-25-2010, 12:46 PM
If it was a medical condition, wouldn't they have done a heli-vac? (Is that the term?)

I'm thinking it couldn't have been too much of an emergency with a slow ride back to port.:confused3

The DCL ships really are not set up for airlifting (no pad). Decisions on evac's are made by the ship's doctor & the master.....it also depends on the exact natural of the pt's medical condition and the location of the ship.

I have seen several evac's done by Coast Guard ships and DCL has also put into several ports unexpectedly to do an evac. The Ship's doc has many capabilities to stablize even severe conditions. All cases & methods are handled on a case by case basis.

It is entirely plausible that in this instance the ill guest was determined to need to be evca'ed within the hours after first seating and was stable enough it was felt to simply drive into PC due to the proximity to PC.

bengals01
02-25-2010, 01:25 PM
I was on on in December of 2005 when they took someone off by helicopter. It was incredible. First they took up the patient and then the family member.

kcashner
02-25-2010, 01:36 PM
Decisions concerning medical evacuation are made on a case by case basis in consultation with the ship's doctor, the captain, and in some cases, the Coast Guard. It is possible to land a helicopter on the ship, but it's certainly not ideal. In addition, the medical care that can be given during the loading and transport process is limited.

The doc and captain will consider the patient's conditions and needs, length of time to an appropriate facility, etc. and decide what is best for the patient. The medical facility on the ship contains a fully functional ICU--it's more sophisticated than what I've seen in some small hospitals. They just aren't staffed to keep up that level of care long term. A return to Port Canaveral (or another port) may well be a better decision than an air transport in some situations.

DVCconvert
02-25-2010, 01:37 PM
I was on on in December of 2005 when they took someone off by helicopter. It was incredible. First they took up the patient and then the family member.

You're right it can and has been done but it is done only in the most severe cases due to the fact that it is by far the riskiest mean by which to do so. I suppose for fully disclosure I should add that an evac could be done by a sub too.

msnoble
02-25-2010, 01:43 PM
I was on the Wonder and just disembarked this morning. We did in fact get into port last night. Not sure exactly what happened; our head server was pulled out of our restaurant last night as the Parade of Nations was finishing up (first seating for dinner), and rumor was that there was some kind of emergency in Palo. While at the last showing of the Disney Dreams show, we really felt the motion of the boat, and seemed to be picking up speed. That didn't make sense at the time, but while at Studio Seas someone mentioned we were docking early due to a medical emergency. Not sure if it was the same emergency as whatever happened in Palo, not many cast members were discussing it (appropriately so, I should add). There was no 'bright star' alarm last night.

Also, around 9:45 on our Castaway Cay morning (Tuesday) there was a "bright star" alarm--our tablemates were trying to get off the boat when the alarm sounded and they were stopped--apparently a woman had collapsed after presumably running the 5K. I guess she collapsed somewhere close to the gangway. I don't know if that emergency was related to the early docking at Port Canaveral--I'm guessing probably not as it was a day and a half later, but who knows.

Hope that helps clear up a little.

tigger2on
02-25-2010, 01:51 PM
Just got off the Wonder also and spoke to Captain Gus on the way off. We were hitting 14- 18ft waves due to the cold front. When the cold front comes in, it gets really rough out theere so to avoid the rough seas and making sure that the passengers are safe and well (avoiding sea sickness), he decided to dock early and let everyone get a good night's sleep. However, even though we were there all night long.... Customs still didn't open til 7:45ish.
So do not fear... all is well. We had awfully rainy weather in Nassau, beautiful weather on Castaway Cay, and a mixed grill of weather for our at Sea Day... rainy, sunny, warm, cold, windy.....
But we still made the best of it and barely noticed the yucky weater.
However, we are going abck to snow so I'm missing the crazy Disney Wonder weather already~

msnoble
02-25-2010, 01:59 PM
Thanks Suzanne :goodvibes Captain Gus was busy with another guest when we were leaving, so we didn't get a chance to ask him. Glad to hear that there wasn't anything major going on for anyone on board!! Hope to sail again with you some time :cool1:

tigger2002
02-25-2010, 02:00 PM
So do not fear... all is well. We had awfully rainy weather in Nassau, beautiful weather on Castaway Cay, and a mixed grill of weather for our at Sea Day... rainy, sunny, warm, cold, windy.....
~

Hey Tigger this is Tigger, How was the water at Castaway Cay? The cold front that went through the entire area looked big.

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tigger2on
02-25-2010, 02:27 PM
Well.... I being a complete wimp of te cold ( and I am Canadian!LOL) only fed the stringrays and skipped the snorkeling experience so I didn't have to go in any further than my butt!
However, that being said.... it was hot on the beach and LOADS of daring individuals were swimming in the ocean! So I am thinking it wa ok for those with a spine. I think the ship's tv channel staed the water temp at CC was 70 degrees.

Muareen... yes... we'll have to co ordinate another cruise one day.... I just can't believe I didn't drink 1 alcohol drink the entire time

Maryrn11168
02-25-2010, 05:29 PM
I was on on in December of 2005 when they took someone off by helicopter. It was incredible. First they took up the patient and then the family member.

Not to start a morbid conversation but I think I would rather they make room in the freezer for me than to lift me by stretcher to the helicopter!! (that's what I think they did) I had to be taked down a mountain strapped to a stretcher after a skiing accident and that was horrible!! :scared1::scared1: But I never left the ground!!!

My fears!!!

Capt_BJ
02-26-2010, 05:03 PM
Decisions concerning medical evacuation are made on a case by case basis in consultation with the ship's doctor, the captain, and in some cases, the Coast Guard. It is possible to land a helicopter on the ship, but it's certainly not ideal. In addition, the medical care that can be given during the loading and transport process is limited.

The doc and captain will consider the patient's conditions and needs, length of time to an appropriate facility, etc. and decide what is best for the patient. The medical facility on the ship contains a fully functional ICU--it's more sophisticated than what I've seen in some small hospitals. They just aren't staffed to keep up that level of care long term. A return to Port Canaveral (or another port) may well be a better decision than an air transport in some situations.

not exactly right . . .

up to a point you've got it. the ultimate decision on the cruise ship will be made by a Master and the Dr but if they believe a medivac is warranted they would then contact the nearest rescue coordination center, and for the US and much of the Carib that means the USCG. Cutting out the many additional steps, the USCG is going to get a USCG Flight Surgeon on the line (CG gets their doc's from US Public Health Service btw) and the FS will make the call on if the medivac is warranted and if so with what level of expedience.

At this time the case goes back to the RCC who must then look at available assets and the ship's location and weather. And then once again working with the Master a plan is established as to the best method of getting the victim to appropriate medical care. Appropriate is an important term at times as a helo to an island hospital is sometimes less desirable then keeping the person on board...location, location, location as they say. And often there just isn't a helo available...not within range by hundreds of miles.

I was fortunate during my years as Captain to on several occasions be in the right place at the right time and able to launch a helo from my ship, to a cruiseship for a hoist and transport to a hosp' - often Guantanamo - where, had we NOT been around, there would have been no medivac for another 24 hours or more. In this scenerio the cruse ship contacted the RCC and the FS advised the RCC this was a "no -sh*****" and they would pull out the stops. Sometimes we happen to have a ship with a bird on board in the right place at the right time. That's what we do . . . on the other hand while sitting with the fisherman in the Bearing Sea, altho we had a helo there was no hospital....often no land, within range of the helo

So far as USCG, I am not aware of a case in the last 30+ years where CG has landed on a cruise ship. From a flight perspective it is much safer to hoist then it is to land on an unfamiliar ship. Heck, a flight deck cutter needs dozens of landings a year to retain flight deck qualifications and regular recertification of all people and equipment. Landing on an 'unknown' is very very rare. A helo on deck with the rotor spinning is very unstable...they want to be tied down fast and doing that takes experience and specific training to the airplane. What is also a MAJOR concern is landing and having ANYTHING go wrong on the helo such that they can't take off agian. A VERY undesirable situation....we carried parts and mechanics... And God forbit there was an accident . . the pilots tend to appreciate a trained extraction and firefighting crew.

Has a private company ever done a hoist from a cruise ship? Well NEVER is a strong term but I'll just say that in my years doing that work I never saw or heard of it nor even heard of an entity other than USCG or USN, or another counties similar entity that would/could do it. If there's an air amb' company that does it that's news to me. Air amb' with fixed wing to move patients, absolutely ... ship evac's, nope can't say I've ever seen one of those. Outside of the US & Carib & Mexican Riveria & Bearing Sea, can't speak to those areas.

And if there's a place to land a helo on Magic or Wonder you've got to show it to me . . . those ships aren't even particularly hoist friendly IMO but I'm a ship driver and not a pilot. Yes I've seen cruise ships with "helo pads" .... I've just never seen anything actually land on one. I've see CG land on oil rigs and 'super tankers'; fairly stable platforms.

And btw .... if medivaced by USCG, be it helo or small boat, you don't get a bill so no insurance is required. Just smile as you pay your taxes. Now if we transported you to a hospital in Grand Cayman that's not our problem . . .

Davids-Coco
02-26-2010, 05:27 PM
Capt BJ, thank you so much for that information. And thank you for all your work with the USCG!

Mickeyhugger
02-26-2010, 05:34 PM
Decisions concerning medical evacuation are made on a case by case basis in consultation with the ship's doctor, the captain, and in some cases, the Coast Guard. It is possible to land a helicopter on the ship, but it's certainly not ideal. In addition, the medical care that can be given during the loading and transport process is limited.

The doc and captain will consider the patient's conditions and needs, length of time to an appropriate facility, etc. and decide what is best for the patient. The medical facility on the ship contains a fully functional ICU--it's more sophisticated than what I've seen in some small hospitals. They just aren't staffed to keep up that level of care long term. A return to Port Canaveral (or another port) may well be a better decision than an air transport in some situations.


where is the landing area on the ship?

warrenite
02-26-2010, 06:12 PM
not exactly right . . .

And btw .... if medivaced by USCG, be it helo or small boat, you don't get a bill so no insurance is required. Just smile as you pay your taxes. Now if we transported you to a hospital in Grand Cayman that's not our problem . . .

Thanks - Capt - Bravo Zulu for all your years of service witht the USCG

tigger2on
02-26-2010, 10:25 PM
I think there is enough room on deck 10 where the sports are done for a helicopter to land...

Mickeyhugger
02-26-2010, 11:09 PM
I think there is enough room on deck 10 where the sports are done for a helicopter to land...

If you are thinking the area where the basketball court is there is a BIG fence around it that does not look like it would easily come down. I personally do not think that the Magic has the capabilities of having a helicopter land on her.

AbsyBabsy
03-01-2010, 06:33 PM
I was on the Wonder 2/25 and while talking to one of the officers, I asked why the Wonder came in to early. I was told there was a very sick baby on board and they needed to get back to port quickly so the baby could get to the hospital. I did not ask if they could have sent a helicopter - I imagine with the weather they may not have been able to.

As far as leaving CC early or speeding back to avoid bad weather - Captain Gus informed us on Sat AM that we would be able to stay on CC but may be called off early due to the front. We did not leave early and the weather was horrible! the ship was listing for a few hours and the water was pouring out of the spas and the pools. It was difficult to walk and Captain Gus made an announcement that it would get worse around 10:30 to 11PM - we made sure we were in bed by then to we could be "rocked" to sleep. The closet doors were moving around and all the hangers were clanging (already packed). I have been on 8 cruises and it was the worst movement and listing I have seen.

We were sorry to miss our last night partying but glad we had the warning so we would be prepared to be in bed and sleeping through the worst.

I really like Captain Gus!

msnoble
03-01-2010, 06:46 PM
I was on the Wonder 2/25 and while talking to one of the officers, I asked why the Wonder came in to early. I was told there was a very sick baby on board and they needed to get back to port quickly so the baby could get to the hospital. I did not ask if they could have sent a helicopter - I imagine with the weather they may not have been able to.

As far as leaving CC early or speeding back to avoid bad weather - Captain Gus informed us on Sat AM that we would be able to stay on CC but may be called off early due to the front. We did not leave early and the weather was horrible! the ship was listing for a few hours and the water was pouring out of the spas and the pools. It was difficult to walk and Captain Gus made an announcement that it would get worse around 10:30 to 11PM - we made sure we were in bed by then to we could be "rocked" to sleep. The closet doors were moving around and all the hangers were clanging (already packed). I have been on 8 cruises and it was the worst movement and listing I have seen.

We were sorry to miss our last night partying but glad we had the warning so we would be prepared to be in bed and sleeping through the worst.

I really like Captain Gus!

Thanks for the update--I'm so sorry to hear that you had rough weather at the end of your cruise. While we had some rain (I was on the Wonder 2/21-25) we didn't have anything like what you described. Even though we had a fabulous time, the weather on our cruise leads to me to think I'll be avoiding February cruises in the future :)

I'm glad we were able to get back for the sick child--hope everything turned out ok.

I really liked Captain Gus too, and I thought Adam did a great job as cruise director as well! :woohoo:

OceanLvr
03-01-2010, 06:52 PM
After spending years in Navy Medical and having sailed on DCL more than 10 times, I am comfortable in saying that neither the US Coast Guard nor the US Navy could land a helicopter on the deck of the Magic or Wonder. There simply isn't enough space to do so. I am confident however, that they could lower a basket to evac any patient that needed immediate care beyond the ability of the onboard medical department.

Just my input.

tigger2on
03-01-2010, 08:24 PM
I thought Adam did a great job too!!